Redevelopment of Charter Place will 'take us up to the Premiership', says Watford mayor Dorothy Thornhill

'Town's redevelopment will take us up to the Premiership'

'Town's redevelopment will take us up to the Premiership'

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The £100 million redevelopment of Charter Place could help lift Watford into the "premiership" of retail, according to the town’s elected mayor.

Mayor Dorothy Thornhill said approval of new shopping centre, which will have a 450-seat IMAX cinema, will halt the town’s slide down the retail rankings by attracting top brands and more visitors Watford.

Last Thursday operator the neighbouring intu Watford centre, Intu, was granted permission to knock down the aging Charter Place and replace it with a three-storey centre with new restaurants, larger retail units, a small market, and leisure facilities.

Construction is planned to take place throughout 2016 with a view to opening in time for Christmas 2017.

Speaking after the decision Mayor Thornhill: "It takes us up to Premiership, which is where we want be and that is where we are going.

"It will attract top retailers to the town and it will just look and feel better there. It will also attract more footfall which will increase our prosperity.

"The icing on the cake is the town centre cinema, which we have wanted for years."

The redevelopment was also welcomed by the chief executive of Watford Chamber of Commerce Ian Welland.

He said: "Ian Welland, Chief Executive for Watford and West Herts Chamber of Commerce welcomed the news and said: "This is a major step forward in the regeneration of our town centre. The completed development will ensure Watford becomes a total destination for shopping and leisure.

Watford Observer:

"With all new developments, not only will this see patronage to the new shops, businesses and attractions; it creates jobs and helps support the local economy across the whole town."

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6:10pm Fri 17 Jan 14

phil mitchel says...

I suggest she makes Watford more car friendly first, sort the parking out, at present it appears everywhere you turn the road is up. As for the shopping, when you see her in the town she doesn't look like a person who understands shopping. But she does understand covering everything in concrete like Oxhey Park and the allotments by the football ground, I think she's more familiar with Blue Circle than Blue Cross.
I suggest she makes Watford more car friendly first, sort the parking out, at present it appears everywhere you turn the road is up. As for the shopping, when you see her in the town she doesn't look like a person who understands shopping. But she does understand covering everything in concrete like Oxhey Park and the allotments by the football ground, I think she's more familiar with Blue Circle than Blue Cross. phil mitchel
  • Score: 6

6:28pm Fri 17 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

Charter Place looks very tired, so on the face of it this is good news for Watford and should generate many new jobs.

My main concern is with many outlets in Intu already empty, will this projct turn things around? Internet shopping seems to be gaining ground all the time, so the financial question mark is whether the new cinema, restaurants and shops be able to attract sufficient new people to the town centre so that the rents that will need to be charged to cover the redevelopment costs can be met.

Certainly investment is a risk, but doing nothing would be even riskier. Let's hope that ten years from now we are celebrating the success of this venture.
Charter Place looks very tired, so on the face of it this is good news for Watford and should generate many new jobs. My main concern is with many outlets in Intu already empty, will this projct turn things around? Internet shopping seems to be gaining ground all the time, so the financial question mark is whether the new cinema, restaurants and shops be able to attract sufficient new people to the town centre so that the rents that will need to be charged to cover the redevelopment costs can be met. Certainly investment is a risk, but doing nothing would be even riskier. Let's hope that ten years from now we are celebrating the success of this venture. D_Penn
  • Score: 12

6:42pm Fri 17 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

YER RIGHT
YER RIGHT dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

6:50pm Fri 17 Jan 14

chocco says...

How much will the parking charges be once this lots done?? At the moment it's tarrif is Up to:
1 hour - £1.00
2 hours - £2.00
3 hours - £2.50
4 hours - £3.00
5 hours - £6.00
6 hours - £9.00
7 hours - £13.00
Over 7 hours - £19.00
bloody ludicrous how it doubles from 4 - 5 then triples from 5-6 hours if people r shopping for more than 4 hours they are obviously spending money in the shops not browsing, yet it seems they encourage you to sling your hook
How much will the parking charges be once this lots done?? At the moment it's tarrif is Up to: 1 hour - £1.00 2 hours - £2.00 3 hours - £2.50 4 hours - £3.00 5 hours - £6.00 6 hours - £9.00 7 hours - £13.00 Over 7 hours - £19.00 bloody ludicrous how it doubles from 4 - 5 then triples from 5-6 hours if people r shopping for more than 4 hours they are obviously spending money in the shops not browsing, yet it seems they encourage you to sling your hook chocco
  • Score: 18

7:01pm Fri 17 Jan 14

watfoid says...

Good point about the parking Chocco. I often find myself rushing round Intu to try and get out within an hour so I don't get charged an extra quid. Maybe I'm just a tightwad, but if the first 2 hours were £1, I'd take my time in shops, venture out into the high street to and probably spend more money. Instead I rush out, then think of things later and buy them outside Watford.
Good point about the parking Chocco. I often find myself rushing round Intu to try and get out within an hour so I don't get charged an extra quid. Maybe I'm just a tightwad, but if the first 2 hours were £1, I'd take my time in shops, venture out into the high street to and probably spend more money. Instead I rush out, then think of things later and buy them outside Watford. watfoid
  • Score: 5

7:12pm Fri 17 Jan 14

trebleywebley says...

Still no Colenel Saunders.
Still no Colenel Saunders. trebleywebley
  • Score: -10

7:20pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

I'm sure the likes of Apple, Marks and Spencers and John Lewis will be pleased to hear that a new development will attract top retailers to the town.

Who has she got lined up?
I'm sure the likes of Apple, Marks and Spencers and John Lewis will be pleased to hear that a new development will attract top retailers to the town. Who has she got lined up? Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -5

7:23pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

watfoid wrote:
Good point about the parking Chocco. I often find myself rushing round Intu to try and get out within an hour so I don't get charged an extra quid. Maybe I'm just a tightwad, but if the first 2 hours were £1, I'd take my time in shops, venture out into the high street to and probably spend more money. Instead I rush out, then think of things later and buy them outside Watford.
I agree with you. Why rush people who are shopping in Watford?
[quote][p][bold]watfoid[/bold] wrote: Good point about the parking Chocco. I often find myself rushing round Intu to try and get out within an hour so I don't get charged an extra quid. Maybe I'm just a tightwad, but if the first 2 hours were £1, I'd take my time in shops, venture out into the high street to and probably spend more money. Instead I rush out, then think of things later and buy them outside Watford.[/p][/quote]I agree with you. Why rush people who are shopping in Watford? Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -3

7:31pm Fri 17 Jan 14

chocco says...

They should pull up on the shops selling cheaply made market tat seconds for Full prices, I looked at a jump dress in select the other day it was £16.99 and the sewn on pattern on 4 of the 6 there were faulty with stitching coming apart or missing when I asked will they nock any off as they were faulty and I would need to repair if I bought it they offered 10% £1.69 still going to cost over £15 was worth nowt really so I didn't bother, this is not the first time I've been in this shop and they have faulty clothing hanging up, maybe changing the name to select with caution would be a better name.
They should pull up on the shops selling cheaply made market tat seconds for Full prices, I looked at a jump dress in select the other day it was £16.99 and the sewn on pattern on 4 of the 6 there were faulty with stitching coming apart or missing when I asked will they nock any off as they were faulty and I would need to repair if I bought it they offered 10% £1.69 still going to cost over £15 was worth nowt really so I didn't bother, this is not the first time I've been in this shop and they have faulty clothing hanging up, maybe changing the name to select with caution would be a better name. chocco
  • Score: -3

8:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

watfordrick says...

That smile lights up the page !
That smile lights up the page ! watfordrick
  • Score: 3

2:09am Sat 18 Jan 14

MW1234 says...

£100m - guess that means Dotty The Mayor won't be adding another £10k a year to her own pension fund for a while then!!! Awful pic by the way, surely they could of found something better than that!!

Town does need improving... ring road needs to go, council been talking about this for years but NOTHING... rush hour is a nightmare, starts at 3pm due to lazy kids needing lifts from schools (what happened to them going to the local school and walking?) and goes on till almost 7pm some nights. Great to have an updated shopping centre (Intu next? - that's falling down) but sort out the roads first. Get the town moving before bringing more people into it!!
£100m - guess that means Dotty The Mayor won't be adding another £10k a year to her own pension fund for a while then!!! Awful pic by the way, surely they could of found something better than that!! Town does need improving... ring road needs to go, council been talking about this for years but NOTHING... rush hour is a nightmare, starts at 3pm due to lazy kids needing lifts from schools (what happened to them going to the local school and walking?) and goes on till almost 7pm some nights. Great to have an updated shopping centre (Intu next? - that's falling down) but sort out the roads first. Get the town moving before bringing more people into it!! MW1234
  • Score: 3

7:25am Sat 18 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

watfordrick wrote:
That smile lights up the page !
At a guess the minus scores are from those that don't appreciate sarcasem
[quote][p][bold]watfordrick[/bold] wrote: That smile lights up the page ![/p][/quote]At a guess the minus scores are from those that don't appreciate sarcasem dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

11:00am Sat 18 Jan 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

dontknowynot wrote:
YER RIGHT
I see you are back being your usual articulate, expressive self. Good morning to you...dontknowynot.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: YER RIGHT[/p][/quote]I see you are back being your usual articulate, expressive self. Good morning to you...dontknowynot. EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 0

11:47am Sat 18 Jan 14

watfoid says...

Another thing that's unattractive about shopping in Watfrord - the high street has its own London Overground station (soon to be added to the Metropolitan line), so this should be a way to attract shoppers. As soon as you arrive the first thing you have to do is practically walk across a motorway to get to the shops! The council have even put up metal barriers to stop you crossing the road, so you have to cross two roads to get to the pedestrian crossing! Such an unwelcoming, barren and windswept gateway to the town for visitors.
Another thing that's unattractive about shopping in Watfrord - the high street has its own London Overground station (soon to be added to the Metropolitan line), so this should be a way to attract shoppers. As soon as you arrive the first thing you have to do is practically walk across a motorway to get to the shops! The council have even put up metal barriers to stop you crossing the road, so you have to cross two roads to get to the pedestrian crossing! Such an unwelcoming, barren and windswept gateway to the town for visitors. watfoid
  • Score: 10

4:22pm Sat 18 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

EU_OUT_NOW wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
YER RIGHT
I see you are back being your usual articulate, expressive self. Good morning to you...dontknowynot.
oh you are a wit, or was that a typo?
yer right sums this up perfectly and succinctly, a new IMAX cinema is not what it was a decade ago, and will not put us in the premiership, getting an affordable and reliable bus service might go a long way.
Getting more restaurants won;t make a huge difference, and none of this development will put more people in the high street.
We do seem to be heading very much toward a story of two town center one for those with 16K a year to send the children to Private schools and the other for those that shop in poundshops and charity shops.
I am sorry but I see nothing in this that alters that
[quote][p][bold]EU_OUT_NOW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: YER RIGHT[/p][/quote]I see you are back being your usual articulate, expressive self. Good morning to you...dontknowynot.[/p][/quote]oh you are a wit, or was that a typo? yer right sums this up perfectly and succinctly, a new IMAX cinema is not what it was a decade ago, and will not put us in the premiership, getting an affordable and reliable bus service might go a long way. Getting more restaurants won;t make a huge difference, and none of this development will put more people in the high street. We do seem to be heading very much toward a story of two town center one for those with 16K a year to send the children to Private schools and the other for those that shop in poundshops and charity shops. I am sorry but I see nothing in this that alters that dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Sat 18 Jan 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

dontknowynot wrote:
EU_OUT_NOW wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
YER RIGHT
I see you are back being your usual articulate, expressive self. Good morning to you...dontknowynot.
oh you are a wit, or was that a typo?
yer right sums this up perfectly and succinctly, a new IMAX cinema is not what it was a decade ago, and will not put us in the premiership, getting an affordable and reliable bus service might go a long way.
Getting more restaurants won;t make a huge difference, and none of this development will put more people in the high street.
We do seem to be heading very much toward a story of two town center one for those with 16K a year to send the children to Private schools and the other for those that shop in poundshops and charity shops.
I am sorry but I see nothing in this that alters that
Do you know what? I do try to not to agree with you on principal...):):):):
) But I must say you are right and I do agree. There now, I've said it. Oh that did hurt..
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EU_OUT_NOW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: YER RIGHT[/p][/quote]I see you are back being your usual articulate, expressive self. Good morning to you...dontknowynot.[/p][/quote]oh you are a wit, or was that a typo? yer right sums this up perfectly and succinctly, a new IMAX cinema is not what it was a decade ago, and will not put us in the premiership, getting an affordable and reliable bus service might go a long way. Getting more restaurants won;t make a huge difference, and none of this development will put more people in the high street. We do seem to be heading very much toward a story of two town center one for those with 16K a year to send the children to Private schools and the other for those that shop in poundshops and charity shops. I am sorry but I see nothing in this that alters that[/p][/quote]Do you know what? I do try to not to agree with you on principal...):):):): ) But I must say you are right and I do agree. There now, I've said it. Oh that did hurt.. EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 1

8:30am Sun 19 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Good morning EU_OUT_NOW
Looks like there is hope for you yet :-)
now lets get working on that name EU_WOOHOO has a much better sound to it, don't you think!!
Good morning EU_OUT_NOW Looks like there is hope for you yet :-) now lets get working on that name EU_WOOHOO has a much better sound to it, don't you think!! dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

10:58am Sun 19 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Good morning EU_OUT_NOW
Looks like there is hope for you yet :-)
now lets get working on that name EU_WOOHOO has a much better sound to it, don't you think!!
EU_BOOHOO would be more appropriate to reflect the misery felt by the tens of millions out of work across the continent.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Good morning EU_OUT_NOW Looks like there is hope for you yet :-) now lets get working on that name EU_WOOHOO has a much better sound to it, don't you think!![/p][/quote]EU_BOOHOO would be more appropriate to reflect the misery felt by the tens of millions out of work across the continent. D_Penn
  • Score: -1

11:06am Sun 19 Jan 14

TRT says...

watfoid wrote:
Another thing that's unattractive about shopping in Watfrord - the high street has its own London Overground station (soon to be added to the Metropolitan line), so this should be a way to attract shoppers. As soon as you arrive the first thing you have to do is practically walk across a motorway to get to the shops! The council have even put up metal barriers to stop you crossing the road, so you have to cross two roads to get to the pedestrian crossing! Such an unwelcoming, barren and windswept gateway to the town for visitors.
And yet they would spend millions on re-landscaping the area by the town hall and the pond that has seen four face-lifts in the last 22 years rather than spend on lower high street which still has the original 1965 concrete flower troughs outside the station, and a tarmac and steel railing maze strewn with collision debris at the almost permanently gridlocked and flooded southern end.
[quote][p][bold]watfoid[/bold] wrote: Another thing that's unattractive about shopping in Watfrord - the high street has its own London Overground station (soon to be added to the Metropolitan line), so this should be a way to attract shoppers. As soon as you arrive the first thing you have to do is practically walk across a motorway to get to the shops! The council have even put up metal barriers to stop you crossing the road, so you have to cross two roads to get to the pedestrian crossing! Such an unwelcoming, barren and windswept gateway to the town for visitors.[/p][/quote]And yet they would spend millions on re-landscaping the area by the town hall and the pond that has seen four face-lifts in the last 22 years rather than spend on lower high street which still has the original 1965 concrete flower troughs outside the station, and a tarmac and steel railing maze strewn with collision debris at the almost permanently gridlocked and flooded southern end. TRT
  • Score: 7

11:09am Sun 19 Jan 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Good morning EU_OUT_NOW
Looks like there is hope for you yet :-)
now lets get working on that name EU_WOOHOO has a much better sound to it, don't you think!!
NAaaaaaaaaaa I will keep this user name.... It's what I believe in and why I vote UKIP.. Good for a Chinese Eurosceptic though..)::)):)
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Good morning EU_OUT_NOW Looks like there is hope for you yet :-) now lets get working on that name EU_WOOHOO has a much better sound to it, don't you think!![/p][/quote]NAaaaaaaaaaa I will keep this user name.... It's what I believe in and why I vote UKIP.. Good for a Chinese Eurosceptic though..)::)):) EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: -3

11:31am Sun 19 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

TRT wrote:
watfoid wrote: Another thing that's unattractive about shopping in Watfrord - the high street has its own London Overground station (soon to be added to the Metropolitan line), so this should be a way to attract shoppers. As soon as you arrive the first thing you have to do is practically walk across a motorway to get to the shops! The council have even put up metal barriers to stop you crossing the road, so you have to cross two roads to get to the pedestrian crossing! Such an unwelcoming, barren and windswept gateway to the town for visitors.
And yet they would spend millions on re-landscaping the area by the town hall and the pond that has seen four face-lifts in the last 22 years rather than spend on lower high street which still has the original 1965 concrete flower troughs outside the station, and a tarmac and steel railing maze strewn with collision debris at the almost permanently gridlocked and flooded southern end.
I'm not sure you can see the bottom of the high street from Dotty's office, so as far as the LibDems are concerned, it probably doesn't exist.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfoid[/bold] wrote: Another thing that's unattractive about shopping in Watfrord - the high street has its own London Overground station (soon to be added to the Metropolitan line), so this should be a way to attract shoppers. As soon as you arrive the first thing you have to do is practically walk across a motorway to get to the shops! The council have even put up metal barriers to stop you crossing the road, so you have to cross two roads to get to the pedestrian crossing! Such an unwelcoming, barren and windswept gateway to the town for visitors.[/p][/quote]And yet they would spend millions on re-landscaping the area by the town hall and the pond that has seen four face-lifts in the last 22 years rather than spend on lower high street which still has the original 1965 concrete flower troughs outside the station, and a tarmac and steel railing maze strewn with collision debris at the almost permanently gridlocked and flooded southern end.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure you can see the bottom of the high street from Dotty's office, so as far as the LibDems are concerned, it probably doesn't exist. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 4

3:13pm Sun 19 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Back on track
the problems I have are that Cinema visits have been at broadly the same number for the last ten years, whilst the Watford complex will benefit from a decent bus service to harrow, Bushey and Stanmore and attract people from those areas, who can get back late at night, as it for all but IMAX presentations the woodside development will still be a better option for car drivers and many people areas like Garston Woodside Levesden etc.
The car parking issue is another thing the idea is people will come into town eat shop and cinema surly, well this takes you into the expensive realm of £9 or even more. that's £9 more than at Woodside why would people pay the extra??
Plus now that all these Romainians are not coming over here who are we going to get to work there, surly none of those feckless young Englanders with their degrees in rocket science astro physics, History or Politics, fine art, Law, Nanotechnology or Social work would stoop so low.
Vote UKIP you know it makes nonsense
Back on track the problems I have are that Cinema visits have been at broadly the same number for the last ten years, whilst the Watford complex will benefit from a decent bus service to harrow, Bushey and Stanmore and attract people from those areas, who can get back late at night, as it for all but IMAX presentations the woodside development will still be a better option for car drivers and many people areas like Garston Woodside Levesden etc. The car parking issue is another thing the idea is people will come into town eat shop and cinema surly, well this takes you into the expensive realm of £9 or even more. that's £9 more than at Woodside why would people pay the extra?? Plus now that all these Romainians are not coming over here who are we going to get to work there, surly none of those feckless young Englanders with their degrees in rocket science astro physics, History or Politics, fine art, Law, Nanotechnology or Social work would stoop so low. Vote UKIP you know it makes nonsense dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

3:53pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

Back on track, DKYN has another go at UKIP.

That's about as back on track as it gets for the Labour party who are clearly more scared of the rise of UKIP than their 12% loss of support (probably to UKIP) would suggest.

I wonder how UKIP will do in the Labour heartland of Wythenshaw and Sale by-election. I have heard it referred to as the "Eastleigh of the north".
Back on track, DKYN has another go at UKIP. That's about as back on track as it gets for the Labour party who are clearly more scared of the rise of UKIP than their 12% loss of support (probably to UKIP) would suggest. I wonder how UKIP will do in the Labour heartland of Wythenshaw and Sale by-election. I have heard it referred to as the "Eastleigh of the north". Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Sun 19 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
Back on track, DKYN has another go at UKIP.

That's about as back on track as it gets for the Labour party who are clearly more scared of the rise of UKIP than their 12% loss of support (probably to UKIP) would suggest.

I wonder how UKIP will do in the Labour heartland of Wythenshaw and Sale by-election. I have heard it referred to as the "Eastleigh of the north".
polls actually do not back up what you say.
You know and I know that having the local elections on the same day as euro is to your advantage, as is the fact that the Tory party as a political force in local elections is a spent force in Watford.
In a nerdy non partisan as I can be logical sense its plain as the nose on your face that your party is set to make it harder for Labour to win libdem seats, voting UKIP will therefore help Dottys cllrs
That said I disagree with virtually all your policies and whilst it is refreshing to see that you agree with me on this I would actually ask what positive policy would you like to see to improve the town center??

BTW you did ignore what I had to say re buses?

but then again that could be because UKIP have no policy n this, or that they are in dinial of the problem like they are on climate change or fracking
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: Back on track, DKYN has another go at UKIP. That's about as back on track as it gets for the Labour party who are clearly more scared of the rise of UKIP than their 12% loss of support (probably to UKIP) would suggest. I wonder how UKIP will do in the Labour heartland of Wythenshaw and Sale by-election. I have heard it referred to as the "Eastleigh of the north".[/p][/quote]polls actually do not back up what you say. You know and I know that having the local elections on the same day as euro is to your advantage, as is the fact that the Tory party as a political force in local elections is a spent force in Watford. In a nerdy non partisan as I can be logical sense its plain as the nose on your face that your party is set to make it harder for Labour to win libdem seats, voting UKIP will therefore help Dottys cllrs That said I disagree with virtually all your policies and whilst it is refreshing to see that you agree with me on this I would actually ask what positive policy would you like to see to improve the town center?? BTW you did ignore what I had to say re buses? but then again that could be because UKIP have no policy n this, or that they are in dinial of the problem like they are on climate change or fracking dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

8:15pm Sun 19 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

@dontknowynot

I'd be happy to debate with you on a whole range of issues, but I'm sure you'll agree that it's unfair to keep taking these comments off topic. I can appreciate that you feel the need to remain anonymous on here, but please feel free to contact me through Watford UKIP ( Details on the website). I would be more than interested to hear your views and you could hear mine. We would have areas where we strongly disagree but also issues where we could well be in agreement. Undoubtedly we would both learn from the experience. How about it?
@dontknowynot I'd be happy to debate with you on a whole range of issues, but I'm sure you'll agree that it's unfair to keep taking these comments off topic. I can appreciate that you feel the need to remain anonymous on here, but please feel free to contact me through Watford UKIP ( Details on the website). I would be more than interested to hear your views and you could hear mine. We would have areas where we strongly disagree but also issues where we could well be in agreement. Undoubtedly we would both learn from the experience. How about it? D_Penn
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Sun 19 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
@dontknowynot

I'd be happy to debate with you on a whole range of issues, but I'm sure you'll agree that it's unfair to keep taking these comments off topic. I can appreciate that you feel the need to remain anonymous on here, but please feel free to contact me through Watford UKIP ( Details on the website). I would be more than interested to hear your views and you could hear mine. We would have areas where we strongly disagree but also issues where we could well be in agreement. Undoubtedly we would both learn from the experience. How about it?
of topic when it has ran its course and basically its just you ukipers and me, hardly a hijacking!!
but here I have one for youthis is from http://www.pinknews.
co.uk/2014/01/18/uki
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David Silvester, a UKIP councillor for Henley on Thames has claimed that he warned David Cameron that allowing gay couples to marry would lead to flooding and that the Prime Minister ignored him.
Mr Silvester defected to UKIP from the Conservatives in 2012 in opposition to same-sex marriage.
Now in a letter to his local newspaper, the Henley Standard, following flooding in parts of the UK over Christmas and the new year, Mr Silvester has put the blame on same-sex marriage.
He wrote:”The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war.
“I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same sex marriage Bill.
“But he went ahead despite a 600,000-signature petition by concerned Christians and more than half of his own parliamentary party saying that he should not do so.
“Now, even as Cameron sheds crocodile tears on behalf of destitute flooded homeowners, playing at advocate against the very local councils he has made cash-strapped, it is his fault that large swathes of the nation have been afflicted by storms and floods.
“He has arrogantly acted against the Gospel that once made Britain “great” and the lesson surely to be learned is that no man or men, however powerful, can mess with Almighty God with impunity and get away with it for everything a nation does is weighed on the scaled of divine approval or disapproval.”
The elected politician added :”Since the passage of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, the nation has been beset by serious storms and floods.
“One recent one caused the worst flooding for 60 years. The Christmas floods were the worst for 127 years. Is this just global warming or is there something more serious at work?”
When the Queen gave Royal Assent to the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, David Cameron wrote for PinkNews.co.uk. In his article he said: “I am proud that we have made same-sex marriage happen. I am delighted that the love two people have for each other – and the commitment they want to make – can now be recognised as equal. I have backed this reform because I believe in commitment, responsibility and family. I don’t want to see people’s love divided by law.

“Making marriage available to everyone says so much about the society that we are and the society that we want to live in – one which respects individuals regardless of their sexuality. If a group is told again and again that they are less valuable, over time they may start to believe it. In addition to the personal damage that this can cause, it inhibits the potential of a nation. For this reason too, I am pleased that we have had the courage to change.”
UKIP’s official position is that it supports same-sex civil partnerships but opposes same-sex marriages. The first same-sex marriages will be held in March of this year.

now come on I mean if you have like hardly any cllrs and you end up with people like this then I reckon I have a point when I say
vote UKIP you know it makes nonsense
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: @dontknowynot I'd be happy to debate with you on a whole range of issues, but I'm sure you'll agree that it's unfair to keep taking these comments off topic. I can appreciate that you feel the need to remain anonymous on here, but please feel free to contact me through Watford UKIP ( Details on the website). I would be more than interested to hear your views and you could hear mine. We would have areas where we strongly disagree but also issues where we could well be in agreement. Undoubtedly we would both learn from the experience. How about it?[/p][/quote]of topic when it has ran its course and basically its just you ukipers and me, hardly a hijacking!! but here I have one for youthis is from http://www.pinknews. co.uk/2014/01/18/uki p-politician-david-c ameron-to-blame-for- floods-because-he-ma de-gay-marriage-lega l/ David Silvester, a UKIP councillor for Henley on Thames has claimed that he warned David Cameron that allowing gay couples to marry would lead to flooding and that the Prime Minister ignored him. Mr Silvester defected to UKIP from the Conservatives in 2012 in opposition to same-sex marriage. Now in a letter to his local newspaper, the Henley Standard, following flooding in parts of the UK over Christmas and the new year, Mr Silvester has put the blame on same-sex marriage. He wrote:”The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war. “I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same sex marriage Bill. “But he went ahead despite a 600,000-signature petition by concerned Christians and more than half of his own parliamentary party saying that he should not do so. “Now, even as Cameron sheds crocodile tears on behalf of destitute flooded homeowners, playing at advocate against the very local councils he has made cash-strapped, it is his fault that large swathes of the nation have been afflicted by storms and floods. “He has arrogantly acted against the Gospel that once made Britain “great” and the lesson surely to be learned is that no man or men, however powerful, can mess with Almighty God with impunity and get away with it for everything a nation does is weighed on the scaled of divine approval or disapproval.” The elected politician added :”Since the passage of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, the nation has been beset by serious storms and floods. “One recent one caused the worst flooding for 60 years. The Christmas floods were the worst for 127 years. Is this just global warming or is there something more serious at work?” When the Queen gave Royal Assent to the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, David Cameron wrote for PinkNews.co.uk. In his article he said: “I am proud that we have made same-sex marriage happen. I am delighted that the love two people have for each other – and the commitment they want to make – can now be recognised as equal. I have backed this reform because I believe in commitment, responsibility and family. I don’t want to see people’s love divided by law. “Making marriage available to everyone says so much about the society that we are and the society that we want to live in – one which respects individuals regardless of their sexuality. If a group is told again and again that they are less valuable, over time they may start to believe it. In addition to the personal damage that this can cause, it inhibits the potential of a nation. For this reason too, I am pleased that we have had the courage to change.” UKIP’s official position is that it supports same-sex civil partnerships but opposes same-sex marriages. The first same-sex marriages will be held in March of this year. now come on I mean if you have like hardly any cllrs and you end up with people like this then I reckon I have a point when I say vote UKIP you know it makes nonsense dontknowynot
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9:56pm Sun 19 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

@dontknowynot

So you are making political capital out of this man. Fine. He has quite rightly been suspended from UKIP as he is way off base and his comments unacceptable. Every political party has its problem people who suddently come out of the woodwork. Your Labour has had your fair share of weirdos and criminals. Conservatives, Lib Dems, Greens etc., all will have their embarrassments and inevitably we will all have to suffer at times in the future as well.

It's the nature of politics that although we all try to vet our members some problem people slip through the net and the media feast on it. Fortunately for us all, most sensible people recognise that the media only report these things because these situations are the rare exceptions rather than the rule.

In the meantime DKYN, do you want to get together to have a frank exchange of views as I suggested earlier?
@dontknowynot So you are making political capital out of this man. Fine. He has quite rightly been suspended from UKIP as he is way off base and his comments unacceptable. Every political party has its problem people who suddently come out of the woodwork. Your Labour has had your fair share of weirdos and criminals. Conservatives, Lib Dems, Greens etc., all will have their embarrassments and inevitably we will all have to suffer at times in the future as well. It's the nature of politics that although we all try to vet our members some problem people slip through the net and the media feast on it. Fortunately for us all, most sensible people recognise that the media only report these things because these situations are the rare exceptions rather than the rule. In the meantime DKYN, do you want to get together to have a frank exchange of views as I suggested earlier? D_Penn
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12:24pm Mon 20 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
@dontknowynot

So you are making political capital out of this man. Fine. He has quite rightly been suspended from UKIP as he is way off base and his comments unacceptable. Every political party has its problem people who suddently come out of the woodwork. Your Labour has had your fair share of weirdos and criminals. Conservatives, Lib Dems, Greens etc., all will have their embarrassments and inevitably we will all have to suffer at times in the future as well.

It's the nature of politics that although we all try to vet our members some problem people slip through the net and the media feast on it. Fortunately for us all, most sensible people recognise that the media only report these things because these situations are the rare exceptions rather than the rule.

In the meantime DKYN, do you want to get together to have a frank exchange of views as I suggested earlier?
And what about the three UKIP MEps we have had for east of England One Fraudster, one Tory defector and Agnew, who lets be frank is a bit of a strange one with questionable views on equality issues, global warming etc.
That said he has stod up for farmers maybe he sees that as being his roll, however Fracking is a problem there as many farmers fear it and UKIP thinks it is a very good idea.
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: @dontknowynot So you are making political capital out of this man. Fine. He has quite rightly been suspended from UKIP as he is way off base and his comments unacceptable. Every political party has its problem people who suddently come out of the woodwork. Your Labour has had your fair share of weirdos and criminals. Conservatives, Lib Dems, Greens etc., all will have their embarrassments and inevitably we will all have to suffer at times in the future as well. It's the nature of politics that although we all try to vet our members some problem people slip through the net and the media feast on it. Fortunately for us all, most sensible people recognise that the media only report these things because these situations are the rare exceptions rather than the rule. In the meantime DKYN, do you want to get together to have a frank exchange of views as I suggested earlier?[/p][/quote]And what about the three UKIP MEps we have had for east of England One Fraudster, one Tory defector and Agnew, who lets be frank is a bit of a strange one with questionable views on equality issues, global warming etc. That said he has stod up for farmers maybe he sees that as being his roll, however Fracking is a problem there as many farmers fear it and UKIP thinks it is a very good idea. dontknowynot
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5:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

@DKYN

You keep jumping from random subject to subject yet haven't answered my straight question. Since it's clear you don't want a face to face chat about the issues worrying you, can I suggest that from hereonin on we just stay on topic because I'm sure everyone else doesn't want to keep hearing stuff that does not interest them?
@DKYN You keep jumping from random subject to subject yet haven't answered my straight question. Since it's clear you don't want a face to face chat about the issues worrying you, can I suggest that from hereonin on we just stay on topic because I'm sure everyone else doesn't want to keep hearing stuff that does not interest them? D_Penn
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