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Watford and Three Rivers elections live

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Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author

Mike Wright, Chief Reporter

Lib Dem Dorothy Thornhill wins a fourth term as mayor.

  • Labour come second in mayoral race, UKIP third and Conservatives last.
  • Labour and Conservatives make gains on Watford Council but Lib Dems retain control.
  • Lib Dems remain in control of Three Rivers District Council with a sightly reduced majority.
  • No UKIP breakthrough in Watford or Three Rivers despite national surge.

  • Comments


    TRT 9:45am Fri 23 May 14

    Hang on... Doesn't that mayoral system mean that if, say, C & D were the lowest two of A, B, C & D, but all of D had C as second preference, enough to beat B, then it would still come down to A vs B despite C having more votes?

    Score: 4
    vegout 11:05am Fri 23 May 14

    TRT wrote…


    Hang on... Doesn't that mayoral system mean that if, say, C & D were the lowest two of A, B, C & D, but all of D had C as second preference, enough to beat B, then it would still come down to A vs B despite C having more votes?

    Yes it would still be between A and B as the second preference votes are added to the top two where applicable, not the bottom two. So second preference votes for C and D are not relevant since they are out of the running.

    Score: 2
    TRT 11:17am Fri 23 May 14

    I've not been able to find a model for that kind of voting system at all! It's bizarre. It's kind of like an Approval Vote but with ranking.
    IRV would have D eliminated and 2nd preference votes redistributed to A, B and C. If A, B or C > 50%, elected, if not then C discounted and 2nd pref. votes allocated to A or B or discarded as appropriate. Who decided on this system?

    Score: 3
    jasonwatford 11:23am Fri 23 May 14

    Bye Bye Phil Cox !!!!!!

    Score: 9
    UAFhornet 11:26am Fri 23 May 14

    oooooh Phil!

    Never mind mate ;-)

    Score: 0
    TRT 11:26am Fri 23 May 14

    Looks like a mayoral win for Downhill. Jagtar needs >5,164 second preference votes to win, so it would take all of Cox's 2nd pref and half of Linda's just to get even.

    If they'd have used proper IRV, then Phil's plus Linda's votes comes to 7,259, i.e. more than the number of votes to secure 2nd place. This is why this double elimination system is flawed fundamentally.

    Score: 4
    UAFhornet 11:28am Fri 23 May 14

    TRT wrote…


    Looks like a mayoral win for Downhill. Jagtar needs >5,164 second preference votes to win, so it would take all of Cox's 2nd pref and half of Linda's just to get even.

    If they'd have used proper IRV, then Phil's plus Linda's votes comes to 7,259, i.e. more than the number of votes to secure 2nd place. This is why this double elimination system is flawed fundamentally.

    You sound like a bad loser mate x

    Score: -2
    TRT 11:30am Fri 23 May 14

    In other words, if everyone who voted for Linda Topping had put Phil Cox down as their second choice, then with Linda only eliminated for the second round, Jagtar would be eliminated for the third round and his second preference votes applied to the race between Downhill and Phil Cox.

    Score: 2
    vegout 11:35am Fri 23 May 14

    I think it's also misleading as you do not have to actually put a 2nd preference and can even have your 1st and 2nd preferences as the same candidate. I don't think this is made clear at all at the voting booth.

    Score: 7
    UAFhornet 11:37am Fri 23 May 14

    David Penn has to go down as the worst election agent in history, his strategy of him and Cox taking over every article on this site was shocking.

    Score: 8
    TRT 11:46am Fri 23 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    David Penn has to go down as the worst election agent in history, his strategy of him and Cox taking over every article on this site was shocking.

    At least if Downhill had come on to leave comments, explain her position, read what people were saying, then she'd understand the level of disgust felt about her misleading the electorate over the hospital, the allotments, the top of town etc.

    Out of curiosity, how much did the bridge over the Colne in Oxhey Park cost?

    Score: 4
    UAFhornet 11:53am Fri 23 May 14

    TRT wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    David Penn has to go down as the worst election agent in history, his strategy of him and Cox taking over every article on this site was shocking.
    At least if Downhill had come on to leave comments, explain her position, read what people were saying, then she'd understand the level of disgust felt about her misleading the electorate over the hospital, the allotments, the top of town etc.

    Out of curiosity, how much did the bridge over the Colne in Oxhey Park cost?

    Wouldn't it be ironic if this is the only article in the last year that Cox and Penn don't try and take over and comment on?

    Maybe doing that and have whole comments sections removed because they didn't agree with them alienated the people of Watford?

    Score: 19
    Andrew1963 12:32pm Fri 23 May 14

    UKIP got just 15% of the vote in the mayoral election, just beating the Tories who managed 13%. Does not look good for UKIP in the Councillor elections, and they failed to make a break through in Borehamwood which they targeted as well. Looks like SW Hertfordshire with its proximity to London is following the London pattern on UKIP support. Quite different to say Essex, where UKIP has performed strongly.

    Score: 7
    Andrew1963 12:35pm Fri 23 May 14

    TRT wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    David Penn has to go down as the worst election agent in history, his strategy of him and Cox taking over every article on this site was shocking.
    At least if Downhill had come on to leave comments, explain her position, read what people were saying, then she'd understand the level of disgust felt about her misleading the electorate over the hospital, the allotments, the top of town etc.

    Out of curiosity, how much did the bridge over the Colne in Oxhey Park cost?

    I think the Bridge over the Colne in Oxhey Park, (built to accommodate tanks from the Army of the Rhine rather than the odd dog walker and cyclist who actually use it), cost about £200,000. I believe about £130,000 was money from S106 contributions from developers who built retail warehouses, etc in the Lower High street area. I am sure though someone will know the definitive answer.

    Score: 4
    pr76uk 12:38pm Fri 23 May 14

    The 2,452 second choice votes transferred to Dorothy suggest an "Anyone but UKIP" strategy from the defeated Tory voters.

    Score: 5
    UAFhornet 12:41pm Fri 23 May 14

    The good performance elsewhere by Ukip makes Cox and Penn's performance all the more dismal.

    David Penn especially will need to have a look at himself, the way he came on here with his disastrous and frankly lazy policy of taking over every article, getting the WO to take down comments sections he didn't like and not doing any proper campaigning was shocking to say the least.

    To be honest, Cox and Penn came across as smug chancers, the people of Watford seem to think so anyway.

    Score: 8
    watford06 2:48pm Fri 23 May 14

    at least cox won keep commenting on every story now saying how ukip will do better well it seems everyone in watford see straight through you and would rather stick with the current crop of cr@p than vote for you. go back under you rock

    Score: 2
    watford06 2:49pm Fri 23 May 14

    won't even

    Score: -3
    crazyfrog 4:48pm Fri 23 May 14

    watford06 wrote…


    at least cox won keep commenting on every story now saying how ukip will do better well it seems everyone in watford see straight through you and would rather stick with the current crop of cr@p than vote for you. go back under you rock

    If your a west watford resident or anywhere in watford that's covered by watford general hospital you won't be so chirpy when miss thornhill builds her housing estate.

    Score: 5
    TRT 4:51pm Fri 23 May 14

    Little bit sad that the stealth wealth not health campus isn't looking like getting torpedoed now. I'm not liking Watford settling for third best option.

    Score: 1
    Wacko Jacko 5:22pm Fri 23 May 14

    crazyfrog wrote…


    watford06 wrote…


    at least cox won keep commenting on every story now saying how ukip will do better well it seems everyone in watford see straight through you and would rather stick with the current crop of cr@p than vote for you. go back under you rock
    If your a west watford resident or anywhere in watford that's covered by watford general hospital you won't be so chirpy when miss thornhill builds her housing estate.

    On the contrary, the majority of West Watford residents can look forward with confidence to their district being regenerated with new homes, more jobs, better transport and of course a revitalised hospital on its doorstep. Mayor Dorothy's emphatic win is a ringing endorsement of her manifesto and plans for the Health Campus.

    Score: -3
    crazyfrog 5:23pm Fri 23 May 14

    By the time the "Thornhill Estate" is built there will be only who few plots of land left for the hospital maybe the hospital porter could have a new potting shed built. Oh well what watford will get what it deserves.

    Score: 2
    crazyfrog 5:28pm Fri 23 May 14

    Wacko Jacko wrote…


    crazyfrog wrote…


    watford06 wrote…


    at least cox won keep commenting on every story now saying how ukip will do better well it seems everyone in watford see straight through you and would rather stick with the current crop of cr@p than vote for you. go back under you rock
    If your a west watford resident or anywhere in watford that's covered by watford general hospital you won't be so chirpy when miss thornhill builds her housing estate.
    On the contrary, the majority of West Watford residents can look forward with confidence to their district being regenerated with new homes, more jobs, better transport and of course a revitalised hospital on its doorstep. Mayor Dorothy's emphatic win is a ringing endorsement of her manifesto and plans for the Health Campus.

    And meanwhile back in the land of reality where rose coloured specs are removed, the current general hospital almost at the brink of being overwhelmed suffers a major meltdown from the thousands of new residents all cramped into an all ready crowded west watford

    Score: -2
    garston tony 5:29pm Fri 23 May 14

    I despair, who voted for Dotty?!?!? Is she Obi One Kenobe? 'You will ignore how awful i am' 'you will vote for me'. Theres no other explanation other than the voters of Watford are not bright or like self flagelation

    the only consolation is that she'll be resigning in less than a year to stand for MP

    Score: 2
    crazyfrog 5:37pm Fri 23 May 14

    Trouble is Watford general Hospital serves a bigger area than watford it serves Three Rivers as well, the "Thornhill Estate" will wreck the possibility of a future proper Hospital upgrade so everybody suffers for the actions of the mayor, and Three Rivers residents didn't even get a vote !

    Score: 0
    Tizer001 5:54pm Fri 23 May 14

    Gave Dorothy Thornhill benefit of the doubt this time round purely on a local basis, the party is a shambles nationally, hopefully plans to regenerate Watford will continue and UKIP will do well in the European elections and help prevent Labour and the Tories ever from winning again in Watford.

    Score: -4
    UAFhornet 6:15pm Fri 23 May 14

    oooh crazyfrog you must have been one of the massive 3 thousand that voted for Phil?

    Where is Phil by the way? How come Dot got 14 thousand and Phil only 3?


    lol

    Score: 4
    UAFhornet 6:20pm Fri 23 May 14

    Just seen that not only is David Penn the worst election agent that I have ever witnessed, he has also lost the Nascot ward..

    Cox and Penn...

    It seems that Ramage was right about you all along!

    Maybe the likes of WatfordTed didn't help?

    Score: 0
    crazyfrog 6:36pm Fri 23 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    oooh crazyfrog you must have been one of the massive 3 thousand that voted for Phil?

    Where is Phil by the way? How come Dot got 14 thousand and Phil only 3?


    lol

    to many libdem voters in watford, The residents of west watford will suffer major overcrowding and the people of watford and Three Rivers will all suffer with reduced health care just wait until the "Thornhill housing Estate" is built, personally I will seriously consider taking out a private healthcare policy for my family and myself as Watford General is highly likely going to go in to a major meltdown and people will have to travel further a field for a hospital bed or A+E visit, you reap what you sow folks !

    Score: 2
    crazyfrog 6:43pm Fri 23 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    Just seen that not only is David Penn the worst election agent that I have ever witnessed, he has also lost the Nascot ward..

    Cox and Penn...

    It seems that Ramage was right about you all along!

    Maybe the likes of WatfordTed didn't help?

    Ah watfordted! I wonder which party set that account up???
    Well That anti-UKIP tactic probably worked quite well, is a sign of desperation though isn't it.
    On another note shame libdems have done so badly throughout the rest of the country maybe the people outside watford can see the libdems for what they are.

    Score: 0
    cgpc Rob 6:48pm Fri 23 May 14

    crazyfrog wrote…


    Trouble is Watford general Hospital serves a bigger area than watford it serves Three Rivers as well, the "Thornhill Estate" will wreck the possibility of a future proper Hospital upgrade so everybody suffers for the actions of the mayor, and Three Rivers residents didn't even get a vote !

    Correct, last year my daughter had to go to Luton hospital as there were no beds at Watford, how many homes have been built on the border of Croxley Green in the last eight years, including Byewaters?

    Then the impact on schools and other public services.

    How many houses are under consideration for the possible new estate!

    Score: 2
    UAFhornet 6:50pm Fri 23 May 14

    crazyfrog wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    Just seen that not only is David Penn the worst election agent that I have ever witnessed, he has also lost the Nascot ward..

    Cox and Penn...

    It seems that Ramage was right about you all along!

    Maybe the likes of WatfordTed didn't help?
    Ah watfordted! I wonder which party set that account up???
    Well That anti-UKIP tactic probably worked quite well, is a sign of desperation though isn't it.
    On another note shame libdems have done so badly throughout the rest of the country maybe the people outside watford can see the libdems for what they are.

    I voted Labour but Dot is an honourable person and has served Watford well..

    Score: -3
    cgpc Rob 6:55pm Fri 23 May 14

    in TRDC the makeup used to be

    Liberal Democrats: 28
    Conservative: 13
    Labour: 6
    Independent: 1

    Now is
    Liberal Democrats maintain overall majority in the District Council with 23 seats, Conservatives win 13 seats and Labour win 3 seats..

    Under boundary changes, Libdems lost 5 and Labour 3

    Score: 0
    crazyfrog 7:02pm Fri 23 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    crazyfrog wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    Just seen that not only is David Penn the worst election agent that I have ever witnessed, he has also lost the Nascot ward..

    Cox and Penn...

    It seems that Ramage was right about you all along!

    Maybe the likes of WatfordTed didn't help?
    Ah watfordted! I wonder which party set that account up???
    Well That anti-UKIP tactic probably worked quite well, is a sign of desperation though isn't it.
    On another note shame libdems have done so badly throughout the rest of the country maybe the people outside watford can see the libdems for what they are.
    I voted Labour but Dot is an honourable person and has served Watford well..

    shame she hasn't put the health of Watford and Three Rivers residents before the housing developers need to make a massive profit.
    Why doesn't she simply wait until next year when west Herts hospital trust finish their financial strategic review and source the funding they need to properly upgrade watford general? If this housing development goes ahead now as the mayor wants the property developer can build on the lions share of the land around the hospital which they wouldn't get if they wait until the hospital finishes it's review and funding request next year.

    Score: 0
    UAFhornet 7:13pm Fri 23 May 14

    Well done to Jagtar Singh Dhindsa for winning the Vicarage ward, he got 1403 votes compared to Ukips 234 votes...

    Seems to be a theme appearing here..

    I guess the election campaign manager David Penn who also only got a few hundred votes in his ward has a lot to answer for?

    Score: 0
    Sara 7:18pm Fri 23 May 14

    Where are Phil Cox and David Penn? If this were an average thread on the web site it would have nine comments from each of them by now. Am waiting for Phil Cox to tell me what a disreputable person I am again. A lot of people in my community who have known me for over 20 years think differently.

    Score: 4
    watford06 7:18pm Fri 23 May 14

    crazyfrog if you don't like it why don't you move. I don't live in west Watford and those stupid allotments need paving over anyway. they are building new homes everywhere its called progress. people need somewhere to live.

    Score: 0
    crazyfrog 7:52pm Fri 23 May 14

    watford06 wrote…


    crazyfrog if you don't like it why don't you move. I don't live in west Watford and those stupid allotments need paving over anyway. they are building new homes everywhere its called progress. people need somewhere to live.

    I don't live in west watford, I used to and I have friends and family that still do, unlike your selfish attitude I care about what happens to the area and my friends and family that still live there, those stupid allotments as you call them have been nurtured for years by people that have put a lot of time and effort into them, of course people need to live somewhere but they don't need to live in a cramped rabbit hutch style flat or house on land that is irreplaceable to the local major hospital.

    Score: 1
    garston tony 7:52pm Fri 23 May 14

    Tizer001 wrote…


    Gave Dorothy Thornhill benefit of the doubt this time round purely on a local basis, the party is a shambles nationally, hopefully plans to regenerate Watford will continue and UKIP will do well in the European elections and help prevent Labour and the Tories ever from winning again in Watford.

    Shes already had 12 years, its long past the point where she should be given the benefit of the doubt.
    I get the other candidates are unknown, but we KNOW what Dottys like and people still voted for her. And that DESPITE admitting shes likely to be off within a year.

    on that basis maybe that only way is watford program should come here as there are obviously more dimwits about than i thought

    Score: 4
    crazyfrog 8:00pm Fri 23 May 14

    Sara wrote…


    Where are Phil Cox and David Penn? If this were an average thread on the web site it would have nine comments from each of them by now. Am waiting for Phil Cox to tell me what a disreputable person I am again. A lot of people in my community who have known me for over 20 years think differently.

    Nine comments to defend themselves from smear I should imagine, this election brought such desperate smear tactics against UKIP the threads were full of smear and anti-UKIP claptrap,strange really how the libdems hardly criticised labour or conservative.
    Let's hope nationally Libdems are whacked out of the ball park! They disgraced themselves with the tuition fee's betrayal that I don't think anybody would trust them with the keys to No.10

    Score: -2
    UAFhornet 9:04pm Fri 23 May 14

    crazyfrog wrote…


    Sara wrote…


    Where are Phil Cox and David Penn? If this were an average thread on the web site it would have nine comments from each of them by now. Am waiting for Phil Cox to tell me what a disreputable person I am again. A lot of people in my community who have known me for over 20 years think differently.
    Nine comments to defend themselves from smear I should imagine, this election brought such desperate smear tactics against UKIP the threads were full of smear and anti-UKIP claptrap,strange really how the libdems hardly criticised labour or conservative.
    Let's hope nationally Libdems are whacked out of the ball park! They disgraced themselves with the tuition fee's betrayal that I don't think anybody would trust them with the keys to No.10

    oooooooh you seem an angry bitter frog ;-)

    You lost by a massive margin, it wasn't even close, Dot got 14 thousand and Phil Cox got 3 thousand..

    David Penn's election 'strategy' of taking over every comments section and having comments deleted he didn't like by threatening the WO with legal action made Cox unelectable.

    Score: 3
    crazyfrog 6:57am Sat 24 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    crazyfrog wrote…


    Sara wrote…


    Where are Phil Cox and David Penn? If this were an average thread on the web site it would have nine comments from each of them by now. Am waiting for Phil Cox to tell me what a disreputable person I am again. A lot of people in my community who have known me for over 20 years think differently.
    Nine comments to defend themselves from smear I should imagine, this election brought such desperate smear tactics against UKIP the threads were full of smear and anti-UKIP claptrap,strange really how the libdems hardly criticised labour or conservative.
    Let's hope nationally Libdems are whacked out of the ball park! They disgraced themselves with the tuition fee's betrayal that I don't think anybody would trust them with the keys to No.10
    oooooooh you seem an angry bitter frog ;-)

    You lost by a massive margin, it wasn't even close, Dot got 14 thousand and Phil Cox got 3 thousand..

    David Penn's election 'strategy' of taking over every comments section and having comments deleted he didn't like by threatening the WO with legal action made Cox unelectable.

    I lost? I didn't lose anything iam a voter, watford born and bred and very concerned about what happens to the town and the only person who was going to do the right thing and not rush in to a major health development that could hamper a genuine hospital upgrade and actually wait until next year would of been UKIP's phil cox, But I did notice that phil had to come on here and at least defend himself from the stream of constant smearing that appeared to come from the libdems, desperate very desparate, can't wait till the general election next year when the libdems will be so desperate their political smearing machine will have to go into overdrive, but that won't save them they are a spent force and with Nick Clegg at the helme they will be whacked out of the game totally, I can forsee at lot of libdem MP's jumping ship to labour before next years general election.

    Score: -1
    Phil Cox (UKIP) 10:40am Sat 24 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    oooh crazyfrog you must have been one of the massive 3 thousand that voted for Phil?

    Where is Phil by the way? How come Dot got 14 thousand and Phil only 3?


    lol

    Let's keep to the facts shall we?

    UKIP scored 3789 on first preference.

    Dorothy scored 11741 on first preference.

    LibDems won, but let's keep the figures truthful when making comparisons.

    Score: 0
    Phil Cox (UKIP) 10:47am Sat 24 May 14

    Sara wrote…


    Where are Phil Cox and David Penn? If this were an average thread on the web site it would have nine comments from each of them by now. Am waiting for Phil Cox to tell me what a disreputable person I am again. A lot of people in my community who have known me for over 20 years think differently.

    I have never said that about you Sara, but I have asked you many times how much you earn from being a councillor on so many councils.

    I see another bedford are councillor as well now. Is that your husband?

    Score: 0
    UAFhornet 1:19pm Sat 24 May 14

    Hi Phil, how are you?

    So Mayor Thornhill got more than 3 times the vote you got in the first round and then over 14 thousand votes in total after the second round compared to the 3789 that you got?

    Not very good eh Phil, why do you think you did so badly?

    Score: 1
    audentior01923 1:28pm Sat 24 May 14

    Phil

    You truly showed your political naivety and lack of knowledge in relation to how local government and administration works.

    "Office of common sense" ridiculous ! Your manifesto on parking, disastrous ! wishing to out council officers, and publish figures, including that of senior officers, not only ridiculous but it already happens. The word on the street about you from the hustings cant be said on here, and your constant attacks, wish to restrict free speech (while looking like you were for free speech), and constant attacks about allowances and salaries as well as to be anti everything went down like a led balloon.

    You never had a clear massage and your manifesto was a wishy washy waste of time.

    Most of Watford actually are pretty clued up about politics, and on the whole you cant deny that overall the Lib Dems are doing a good job in Watford.

    My final congratulations to Binita Mehta !

    Score: 0
    UAFhornet 1:48pm Sat 24 May 14

    audentior01923 wrote…


    Phil

    You truly showed your political naivety and lack of knowledge in relation to how local government and administration works.

    "Office of common sense" ridiculous ! Your manifesto on parking, disastrous ! wishing to out council officers, and publish figures, including that of senior officers, not only ridiculous but it already happens. The word on the street about you from the hustings cant be said on here, and your constant attacks, wish to restrict free speech (while looking like you were for free speech), and constant attacks about allowances and salaries as well as to be anti everything went down like a led balloon.

    You never had a clear massage and your manifesto was a wishy washy waste of time.

    Most of Watford actually are pretty clued up about politics, and on the whole you cant deny that overall the Lib Dems are doing a good job in Watford.

    My final congratulations to Binita Mehta !

    The way Penn and Cox threatened the WO with legal action unless they closed down comment sections on numerous occasions was authoritarian and outrageous behaviour..

    The way he said in the manifesto he wanted to get rid of hard working public sector workers and this would give the workers left more freedom was naïve to say the least, it would mean the workers left would have to do the job of two people..

    The 'office of common sense'????? Really?

    You and Penn coming on here and taking over every article even if it nothing to do with Ukip?

    Maybe you David Penn should reflect on why you got such a poor result?

    Score: 2
    audentior01923 1:50pm Sat 24 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    audentior01923 wrote…


    Phil

    You truly showed your political naivety and lack of knowledge in relation to how local government and administration works.

    "Office of common sense" ridiculous ! Your manifesto on parking, disastrous ! wishing to out council officers, and publish figures, including that of senior officers, not only ridiculous but it already happens. The word on the street about you from the hustings cant be said on here, and your constant attacks, wish to restrict free speech (while looking like you were for free speech), and constant attacks about allowances and salaries as well as to be anti everything went down like a led balloon.

    You never had a clear massage and your manifesto was a wishy washy waste of time.

    Most of Watford actually are pretty clued up about politics, and on the whole you cant deny that overall the Lib Dems are doing a good job in Watford.

    My final congratulations to Binita Mehta !
    The way Penn and Cox threatened the WO with legal action unless they closed down comment sections on numerous occasions was authoritarian and outrageous behaviour..

    The way he said in the manifesto he wanted to get rid of hard working public sector workers and this would give the workers left more freedom was naïve to say the least, it would mean the workers left would have to do the job of two people..

    The 'office of common sense'????? Really?

    You and Penn coming on here and taking over every article even if it nothing to do with Ukip?

    Maybe you David Penn should reflect on why you got such a poor result?

    When you say "you" who do you mean, did you quote my response by mistake ?

    Score: 3
    UAFhornet 1:57pm Sat 24 May 14

    Yeea sorry audentior01923 x

    Score: 0
    Nascot 2:33pm Sat 24 May 14

    Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote…


    Sara wrote…


    Where are Phil Cox and David Penn? If this were an average thread on the web site it would have nine comments from each of them by now. Am waiting for Phil Cox to tell me what a disreputable person I am again. A lot of people in my community who have known me for over 20 years think differently.
    I have never said that about you Sara, but I have asked you many times how much you earn from being a councillor on so many councils.

    I see another bedford are councillor as well now. Is that your husband?

    All such information is in the public domain.

    Score: 2
    Enoch Powell 6:19pm Sat 24 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    Yeea sorry audentior01923 x

    Does that stand for Unite Against Freespeech Hornet.

    Please do not besmirch Watford F.C.'s nickname with an agressive violent, undemocratic organisation that acts against the words and principles of Voltaire.

    Score: 1
    UAFhornet 6:23pm Sat 24 May 14

    Enoch Powell wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    Yeea sorry audentior01923 x
    Does that stand for Unite Against Freespeech Hornet.

    Please do not besmirch Watford F.C.'s nickname with an agressive violent, undemocratic organisation that acts against the words and principles of Voltaire.

    No its Unite Against Fascism..

    Did you not know that?

    Most recently I attended a protest against the EDL when they were trying to stir up racial tension.. You have a problem with that Enoch?

    Score: 0
    Enoch Powell 7:34pm Sat 24 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    Enoch Powell wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    Yeea sorry audentior01923 x
    Does that stand for Unite Against Freespeech Hornet.

    Please do not besmirch Watford F.C.'s nickname with an agressive violent, undemocratic organisation that acts against the words and principles of Voltaire.
    No its Unite Against Fascism..

    Did you not know that?

    Most recently I attended a protest against the EDL when they were trying to stir up racial tension.. You have a problem with that Enoch?

    I believe in the principles of Voltaire and if the EDL were objecting to some of the practices of Islam, such as honour killings, forced marriages, FGM and the numerous convictions for the grooming of only white girls and the 40% of Muslims who in an ICM survey in 2096 want Shariah Law, what's the problem.
    Islam is not a race, and there are prominent, notorious WHITE Muslims such as Samantha Lethwaite, Richard Dart and Jordan Horner.

    Score: 0
    UAFhornet 8:05pm Sat 24 May 14

    You seem angry Enoch..
    I have lived and worked in communities in London and Manchester which are predominantly Muslim, very friendly and loving people..

    Christians, Muslims and every religion have extremists, you should stop hating..

    Score: 0
    Enoch Powell 10:16pm Sat 24 May 14

    UAFhornet wrote…


    You seem angry Enoch..
    I have lived and worked in communities in London and Manchester which are predominantly Muslim, very friendly and loving people..

    Christians, Muslims and every religion have extremists, you should stop hating..

    I think I have a right to be concerned with those practices I have articulated as they are illiberal and un British.
    If you are asking me whether I am angry that little or no action has been taken by the authorities to stop or diminish these practices, I can't argue with you.
    I am even more concerned that an organisation like UAF doesn't get upset about it but gets upset against people that are upset against those practices.
    I can't work that out.

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    UAFhornet 10:23pm Sat 24 May 14

    Enoch Powell wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    You seem angry Enoch..
    I have lived and worked in communities in London and Manchester which are predominantly Muslim, very friendly and loving people..

    Christians, Muslims and every religion have extremists, you should stop hating..
    I think I have a right to be concerned with those practices I have articulated as they are illiberal and un British.
    If you are asking me whether I am angry that little or no action has been taken by the authorities to stop or diminish these practices, I can't argue with you.
    I am even more concerned that an organisation like UAF doesn't get upset about it but gets upset against people that are upset against those practices.
    I can't work that out.

    Did you vote?

    Was it for Cox and Penn...

    They seem like your kinda guys

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    Enoch Powell 10:35pm Sat 24 May 14

    I did vote.
    Note quite in the same area though so I couldn't vote for them.
    I did vote UKIP for the European elections but not a natural UKipper as I have some left wing economic views.

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    UAFhornet 10:42pm Sat 24 May 14

    Enoch Powell wrote…


    I did vote.
    Note quite in the same area though so I couldn't vote for them.
    I did vote UKIP for the European elections but not a natural UKipper as I have some left wing economic views.

    That's more like it Enoch, redistributing the wealth is the way forward :-)

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    Enoch Powell 10:50pm Sat 24 May 14

    I agree. Also agree with progressive taxation and renationalising certain privatised bodies.

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    UAFhornet 10:58pm Sat 24 May 14

    Enoch Powell wrote…


    I agree. Also agree with progressive taxation and renationalising certain privatised bodies.

    Well that's nice...

    You did defend the EDL in earlier posts on this article though, they are far right racist types mate, many are well known footy hooligans from the firms of Luton, Pompey, Burnley...

    Iv met these chaps, they aint nice x


    If you want to defend people like that then it shows your character..

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    UAFhornet 11:05pm Sat 24 May 14

    Enoch Powell wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    Enoch Powell wrote…


    UAFhornet wrote…


    Yeea sorry audentior01923 x
    Does that stand for Unite Against Freespeech Hornet.

    Please do not besmirch Watford F.C.'s nickname with an agressive violent, undemocratic organisation that acts against the words and principles of Voltaire.
    No its Unite Against Fascism..

    Did you not know that?

    Most recently I attended a protest against the EDL when they were trying to stir up racial tension.. You have a problem with that Enoch?
    I believe in the principles of Voltaire and if the EDL were objecting to some of the practices of Islam, such as honour killings, forced marriages, FGM and the numerous convictions for the grooming of only white girls and the 40% of Muslims who in an ICM survey in 2096 want Shariah Law, what's the problem.
    Islam is not a race, and there are prominent, notorious WHITE Muslims such as Samantha Lethwaite, Richard Dart and Jordan Horner.

    You have a lot of love for the EDL here Enoch.....

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    Enoch Powell 11:45pm Sat 24 May 14

    I can assure you that I have nothing to do with the EDL.
    My pronouncements are based on fact.
    I am concerned about UAF violence and the fact they will not comment or renounce those practices Islam adopts.
    The fact that you skip over them suggests you endorse them. Please tell me that is not the case.

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    Enoch Powell 11:54pm Sat 24 May 14

    UAF Hornet.
    I have no doubt there are football hooligans within the EDL, but wouldn't you agree that when the EDL are violent, UAF should not be violent either.
    I think the saying is two wrongs don't make a right.
    Your attempts to tar me with the EDL brush are way off the mark. I never even mentioned them whereas you did.
    Basically, you have played me as a person and not on the factual, technical detail on what I have said, which is a common tactic of your organisation.

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