COMMENT: Why Watford switch should open doors for Matej Vydra next summer

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I was made aware of Watford’s hopes of re-signing Matej Vydra several months ago and was always confident it would happen because, simply, it made complete sense for all parties.

When we ran our story at the beginning of May stating the Hornets wanted Vydra back, a few readers accused us of using the striker’s name purely to sell papers and boost our website figures.

His agent’s subsequent claims the player wanted a move to “a top division” in Europe didn’t help when it came to our argument but the story was accurate; Watford wanted Vydra back.

The issue when it came to Vydra was if he wanted to return or if his agent could find him a move to a club in the top flight of one of Europe’s biggest leagues.

After only managing three goals in 25 Premier League appearances for West Bromwich Albion, an offer from the likes of a Premier League or Serie A club appeared unlikely. Don’t get me wrong, a host of big clubs would happily take Vydra if the price was right but the Pozzos’ whole business model is to sell at the optimum price. So now was definitely not the time to sell.

So it left Vydra, and his agent, with a couple of options if they were unable to find another club. Ask to stay at Udinese or go to Watford.

Antonio Di Natale’s decision not to retire this summer means Udinese still have their talismanic striker and they often only play with one up front. With Watford desperate for the ‘Vydra-type’ striker they lacked last season, it was logical for the Pozzos to send the young striker back to Vicarage Road.

Promotion to the Premier League is worth an estimated £120m at least to Watford, and the family, and Vydra knows the language, the club, the area and arguably most importantly, has proven he can score lots of goals in the Championship.

So the Pozzos tell Vydra they want him to return to Watford.

I’m sure his agent and the player hoped to find a top-flight club, as quotes from the pair suggested this summer, but that seemed unlikely. So once it was made clear to Vydra where they wanted him to go, he either returned to Vicarage Road or demanded to stay at Udinese.

The Pozzos have enough players on their books that they could afford to take the risk of letting Vydra sit in the reserves should they want to prove a point. And the player still has three years to run on his Udinese contract.

Whereas a move to Watford would secure him regular football for a team expected to challenge for promotion; an ideal situation for rebuilding his reputation as one of the deadliest finishers in the top two divisions of English football.

He hasn’t got to worry about learning a new language, meeting new team-mates or settling into an area which he said was something he didn’t want to do each summer. He can now hit the ground running.

During the 2012/13 campaign he scored 22 goals, won the Championship Player of the Year award and was linked with a host of Premier League sides in January before his mini goal drought.

If the 22-year-old can reproduce that form consistently next season, then it opens several doors to him and increases his value back to a similar level as last summer.

If Watford are promoted, then he becomes a Premier League footballer and may decide he wants to join the Golden Boys permanently, where he would almost certainly remain as one of their key players.

If he excels and the Hornets miss out on promotion again, then the Pozzos may decide he is heir to Di Natale’s throne and he has the chance to be a regular in Serie A.

If neither of those options take his fancy, then another fine season at Watford will lead to a host of clubs knocking on Gianpaolo’s, or his son Gino’s, door offering significantly more than they would this summer.

He would have options.

During his first six months at Watford, Vydra showed he was one of the best finishers in the club’s history.

His progression has slowed somewhat in the last year or so but Vydra’s return to Watford gives the youngster the perfect platform to showcase his immense talent. If he does, then the Pozzos, Watford’s fans and the player himself could find themselves delighted come May.

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10:24am Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

At only 22 he's still young enough to be in serious demand at the end of this season if he bangs in 15-20 goals. Last season was wasted and another season with just a handful of appearances and goals in a top league wouldn't help his career or his value to the Pozzos. Just hope Troy stays too.
At only 22 he's still young enough to be in serious demand at the end of this season if he bangs in 15-20 goals. Last season was wasted and another season with just a handful of appearances and goals in a top league wouldn't help his career or his value to the Pozzos. Just hope Troy stays too. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 20

10:39am Fri 27 Jun 14

corey_wfc says...

It's pretty simple.
If we go up, he'll stay.
If we don't, he'll leave.

I'm a huge fan of Vydra, but let's remember who our main man is - TD9.
It's pretty simple. If we go up, he'll stay. If we don't, he'll leave. I'm a huge fan of Vydra, but let's remember who our main man is - TD9. corey_wfc
  • Score: 32

10:43am Fri 27 Jun 14

Bush Hornet says...

Ok so they had instability last season but I've no idea why west brom couldn't use him properly. Their fans could see what a talent he is. Anyway thank you WBA because your failure to utilise him has worked out for us.

Personally I'd like to see Troy offered the captaincy and the assurance that he will stay and get us promoted. He is such an important figure for the club now that if the transfer window closes and he's still with us that is worthy of just as much celebration as Vydra's return.

By the way, welcome home Matej.
Ok so they had instability last season but I've no idea why west brom couldn't use him properly. Their fans could see what a talent he is. Anyway thank you WBA because your failure to utilise him has worked out for us. Personally I'd like to see Troy offered the captaincy and the assurance that he will stay and get us promoted. He is such an important figure for the club now that if the transfer window closes and he's still with us that is worthy of just as much celebration as Vydra's return. By the way, welcome home Matej. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 35

10:49am Fri 27 Jun 14

HornetJJ says...

Arguably, he will comeback an even better player. It may have been brief but he still has a bit of Premiership experience now which he didn't have before. If we can keep Deeney then there is every chance with their goals we can get promotion.
Arguably, he will comeback an even better player. It may have been brief but he still has a bit of Premiership experience now which he didn't have before. If we can keep Deeney then there is every chance with their goals we can get promotion. HornetJJ
  • Score: 15

10:53am Fri 27 Jun 14

Havana Club says...

A Baggies supporting friend of mine said Matej made very little impression during his year there. This is after me telling him last Summer they have just snared the bargain of the year.

Said he looked a little out of his depth and lacking in confidence and nous. By xmas MJ seemed unsure of his role in the team. But the Prem is unforgiving, few chances per game and if you don't get firing quickly you are soon shuffled out.

Another year with 40 games in a tough championship will do him the world of good. I don't think his long or medium term future is at WFC. He will play at a higher stage. But if he can get us off to a good start to the year - as per that Oct-Dec period of 2012/13 - that is all we'll ask.
A Baggies supporting friend of mine said Matej made very little impression during his year there. This is after me telling him last Summer they have just snared the bargain of the year. Said he looked a little out of his depth and lacking in confidence and nous. By xmas MJ seemed unsure of his role in the team. But the Prem is unforgiving, few chances per game and if you don't get firing quickly you are soon shuffled out. Another year with 40 games in a tough championship will do him the world of good. I don't think his long or medium term future is at WFC. He will play at a higher stage. But if he can get us off to a good start to the year - as per that Oct-Dec period of 2012/13 - that is all we'll ask. Havana Club
  • Score: 6

10:55am Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Excellent work, Frank, don't let the squealers on here get to you - I don't!
Excellent work, Frank, don't let the squealers on here get to you - I don't! rogeruk
  • Score: 21

10:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

4boys says...

You've wasted a year of your life Vydra, don't do it again, stay with us forever (if you can still hit the target)
You've wasted a year of your life Vydra, don't do it again, stay with us forever (if you can still hit the target) 4boys
  • Score: -9

11:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

AMP4WFC says...

Very nice piece of work, Frank.
It´s all clear to me now: Vydra playing for Watford in PL for the next 5 years as topscorer with 20+ each season and CL in 2016 as Champions with Man. C as runners-up..... Nice scenario...... Could it happen ?
Very nice piece of work, Frank. It´s all clear to me now: Vydra playing for Watford in PL for the next 5 years as topscorer with 20+ each season and CL in 2016 as Champions with Man. C as runners-up..... Nice scenario...... Could it happen ? AMP4WFC
  • Score: 15

11:02am Fri 27 Jun 14

jasonwatford says...

WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow. jasonwatford
  • Score: 20

11:07am Fri 27 Jun 14

SimmyB says...

I really want this to work. I think it made complete sense to everyone except the idiot agent!!!
I really want this to work. I think it made complete sense to everyone except the idiot agent!!! SimmyB
  • Score: 12

11:14am Fri 27 Jun 14

bristol hornet says...

Another good article Frank and you have proved the doubters wrong again.

You have written some good stuff this past year or so, so keep up the good work young man, and keep us WFC fans looking for and more of your postings.
Another good article Frank and you have proved the doubters wrong again. You have written some good stuff this past year or so, so keep up the good work young man, and keep us WFC fans looking for and more of your postings. bristol hornet
  • Score: 30

11:19am Fri 27 Jun 14

mkhornet says...

If he does well until Christmas will history repeat itself when the January transfer window comes around, lots of speculation about interested clubs, Agents "stirring the pot", and a loss of commitment and form? I really hope this works and he starts scoring lots of goals but this time stays focused for a whole season. If that had happened last time we wouldn't have needed the play offs!
If he does well until Christmas will history repeat itself when the January transfer window comes around, lots of speculation about interested clubs, Agents "stirring the pot", and a loss of commitment and form? I really hope this works and he starts scoring lots of goals but this time stays focused for a whole season. If that had happened last time we wouldn't have needed the play offs! mkhornet
  • Score: -3

11:27am Fri 27 Jun 14

Denzil D says...

HornetJJ wrote:
Arguably, he will comeback an even better player. It may have been brief but he still has a bit of Premiership experience now which he didn't have before. If we can keep Deeney then there is every chance with their goals we can get promotion.
Only way I can see Deeney leaving now is if we get an offer well above our valuation or if he pushes for a move via transfer request. I can't see either happening. Improve his contract, give him the captaincy and we'll have the league's most potent forward line.

As well as some valuable Prem game time, hopefully Matty will return a more grounded person, after a bit of a humbling experience last year, and driven to put team success first.
[quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: Arguably, he will comeback an even better player. It may have been brief but he still has a bit of Premiership experience now which he didn't have before. If we can keep Deeney then there is every chance with their goals we can get promotion.[/p][/quote]Only way I can see Deeney leaving now is if we get an offer well above our valuation or if he pushes for a move via transfer request. I can't see either happening. Improve his contract, give him the captaincy and we'll have the league's most potent forward line. As well as some valuable Prem game time, hopefully Matty will return a more grounded person, after a bit of a humbling experience last year, and driven to put team success first. Denzil D
  • Score: 19

11:28am Fri 27 Jun 14

robo bovingdon says...

welcome back Matej enjoy the pre season and make sure Troy stays so you can both score 20plus goals each and send us to the PL
Keep smiling and all will be well.
welcome back Matej enjoy the pre season and make sure Troy stays so you can both score 20plus goals each and send us to the PL Keep smiling and all will be well. robo bovingdon
  • Score: 8

11:32am Fri 27 Jun 14

SAHornet says...

Havana Club wrote:
A Baggies supporting friend of mine said Matej made very little impression during his year there. This is after me telling him last Summer they have just snared the bargain of the year.

Said he looked a little out of his depth and lacking in confidence and nous. By xmas MJ seemed unsure of his role in the team. But the Prem is unforgiving, few chances per game and if you don't get firing quickly you are soon shuffled out.

Another year with 40 games in a tough championship will do him the world of good. I don't think his long or medium term future is at WFC. He will play at a higher stage. But if he can get us off to a good start to the year - as per that Oct-Dec period of 2012/13 - that is all we'll ask.
Disagree totally there Havana. We need an entire season of whole-hearted commitment from him, not just a few months. His failure to do his best 2 seasons ago cost us dear and we don't want that again.
[quote][p][bold]Havana Club[/bold] wrote: A Baggies supporting friend of mine said Matej made very little impression during his year there. This is after me telling him last Summer they have just snared the bargain of the year. Said he looked a little out of his depth and lacking in confidence and nous. By xmas MJ seemed unsure of his role in the team. But the Prem is unforgiving, few chances per game and if you don't get firing quickly you are soon shuffled out. Another year with 40 games in a tough championship will do him the world of good. I don't think his long or medium term future is at WFC. He will play at a higher stage. But if he can get us off to a good start to the year - as per that Oct-Dec period of 2012/13 - that is all we'll ask.[/p][/quote]Disagree totally there Havana. We need an entire season of whole-hearted commitment from him, not just a few months. His failure to do his best 2 seasons ago cost us dear and we don't want that again. SAHornet
  • Score: 8

11:36am Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition. rogeruk
  • Score: -33

11:39am Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
Don't blame me for the formatting of the numbers, it was all beautifully lined up, Watford Observer must choose cheap technology to get that result. Anyway, I think you all should just about get it even with their bad presentation.

Just goes to show what Frank as got to work with!
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]Don't blame me for the formatting of the numbers, it was all beautifully lined up, Watford Observer must choose cheap technology to get that result. Anyway, I think you all should just about get it even with their bad presentation. Just goes to show what Frank as got to work with! rogeruk
  • Score: -24

11:59am Fri 27 Jun 14

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 28

12:08pm Fri 27 Jun 14

gloryhornet4 says...

AMP4WFC wrote:
Very nice piece of work, Frank.
It´s all clear to me now: Vydra playing for Watford in PL for the next 5 years as topscorer with 20+ each season and CL in 2016 as Champions with Man. C as runners-up..... Nice scenario...... Could it happen ?
Not a chance.

Face it - if the fair play rules are enforced how the Hell can Man C buy their success anymore.
[quote][p][bold]AMP4WFC[/bold] wrote: Very nice piece of work, Frank. It´s all clear to me now: Vydra playing for Watford in PL for the next 5 years as topscorer with 20+ each season and CL in 2016 as Champions with Man. C as runners-up..... Nice scenario...... Could it happen ?[/p][/quote]Not a chance. Face it - if the fair play rules are enforced how the Hell can Man C buy their success anymore. gloryhornet4
  • Score: 9

12:13pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.?

He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation).

Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points.

What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager?

You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results.

I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?
[quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.[/p][/quote]I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.? He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation). Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points. What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager? You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results. I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same? rogeruk
  • Score: -31

12:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

gloryhornet4 wrote:
AMP4WFC wrote:
Very nice piece of work, Frank.
It´s all clear to me now: Vydra playing for Watford in PL for the next 5 years as topscorer with 20+ each season and CL in 2016 as Champions with Man. C as runners-up..... Nice scenario...... Could it happen ?
Not a chance.

Face it - if the fair play rules are enforced how the Hell can Man C buy their success anymore.
Good post, positive thinking aim for the stars, what's to lose?
[quote][p][bold]gloryhornet4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AMP4WFC[/bold] wrote: Very nice piece of work, Frank. It´s all clear to me now: Vydra playing for Watford in PL for the next 5 years as topscorer with 20+ each season and CL in 2016 as Champions with Man. C as runners-up..... Nice scenario...... Could it happen ?[/p][/quote]Not a chance. Face it - if the fair play rules are enforced how the Hell can Man C buy their success anymore.[/p][/quote]Good post, positive thinking aim for the stars, what's to lose? rogeruk
  • Score: 1

12:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box. rogeruk
  • Score: -46

12:30pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bristol hornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.?

He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation).

Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points.

What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager?

You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results.

I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?
Zola was just one Phillips penalty away from a play off success even though we played crap on the day!

You cannot blame Zola for the shocking and limp performances put on by most of our players at Wembley that day! He cannot go on to pitch and do it for them, can he?

And what could he possibly do about the "double whammy" of two goalies getting injured against Leeds leaving the poor youngster to let us down, when he should not even have been on the bench! Deeney also let us down that day with his silly sending off! We were just never destined to win that match!

I know he made some shocking decisions during the season (like the stupid six changes on a wet Bristol night that led to disaster). But he also took us into third place behind good teams managed by Malky and Brucie. And shame to say it, he was out-thought by Hollowhead on the big day.

However, over all he was a success, brought joy to many faces, brought a brand of football to the Vic we have NEVER seen before, and goes into Watford folklore along with Graham Taylor, Ken Furphy, Ron Burgess, Bill McGarry, Brendan Rodgers, Malky MacKay, Sean Dyche, Aidy Boothroyd etc, and ranks right up there along our best ever managers.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.[/p][/quote]I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.? He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation). Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points. What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager? You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results. I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?[/p][/quote]Zola was just one Phillips penalty away from a play off success even though we played crap on the day! You cannot blame Zola for the shocking and limp performances put on by most of our players at Wembley that day! He cannot go on to pitch and do it for them, can he? And what could he possibly do about the "double whammy" of two goalies getting injured against Leeds leaving the poor youngster to let us down, when he should not even have been on the bench! Deeney also let us down that day with his silly sending off! We were just never destined to win that match! I know he made some shocking decisions during the season (like the stupid six changes on a wet Bristol night that led to disaster). But he also took us into third place behind good teams managed by Malky and Brucie. And shame to say it, he was out-thought by Hollowhead on the big day. However, over all he was a success, brought joy to many faces, brought a brand of football to the Vic we have NEVER seen before, and goes into Watford folklore along with Graham Taylor, Ken Furphy, Ron Burgess, Bill McGarry, Brendan Rodgers, Malky MacKay, Sean Dyche, Aidy Boothroyd etc, and ranks right up there along our best ever managers. bristol hornet
  • Score: 51

12:32pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.?

He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation).

Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points.

What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager?

You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results.

I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?
Why on earth do you think we have a god given right to get promotion from this league ? We are a million miles better placed than we were under Bas but we were still trying to get promotion with a bunch of reserves from a mid table Serie A team, while being outspent by some of our peers. Do you think another team would demand promotion if they loaned say 6-7 players who couldn't get in the Southampton 1st team squad ?
GZ made mistakes certainly but came pretty **** close that first year despite half the team only arriving a month or so in and most carrying muscle imbalances. I'm not convinced our prospects will be any better under Beppe than they would have been under GZ. If we can keep TD and Tozser hopefully top 6 and maybe a crack at top 2.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.[/p][/quote]I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.? He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation). Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points. What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager? You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results. I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?[/p][/quote]Why on earth do you think we have a god given right to get promotion from this league ? We are a million miles better placed than we were under Bas but we were still trying to get promotion with a bunch of reserves from a mid table Serie A team, while being outspent by some of our peers. Do you think another team would demand promotion if they loaned say 6-7 players who couldn't get in the Southampton 1st team squad ? GZ made mistakes certainly but came pretty **** close that first year despite half the team only arriving a month or so in and most carrying muscle imbalances. I'm not convinced our prospects will be any better under Beppe than they would have been under GZ. If we can keep TD and Tozser hopefully top 6 and maybe a crack at top 2. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 17

12:34pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.?

He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation).

Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points.

What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager?

You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results.

I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?
Zola was given a bunch of strangers, mainly players who had lost their way at other clubs, and turned them into possibly the best footballing side ever seen at Vicarage Road. Admittedly things went wrong the following season but I don't think it's fair to say he was "almost entirely responsible" for that. Losing Abdi, Vydra and Chalobah tore the heart out of that side.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.[/p][/quote]I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.? He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation). Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points. What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager? You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results. I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?[/p][/quote]Zola was given a bunch of strangers, mainly players who had lost their way at other clubs, and turned them into possibly the best footballing side ever seen at Vicarage Road. Admittedly things went wrong the following season but I don't think it's fair to say he was "almost entirely responsible" for that. Losing Abdi, Vydra and Chalobah tore the heart out of that side. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 35

12:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
Me. Nothing as complicated as having to type an "X". You just click the thumbs down sign. Too complicated ? Have another try or call the wobbly helpline ;-)
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]Me. Nothing as complicated as having to type an "X". You just click the thumbs down sign. Too complicated ? Have another try or call the wobbly helpline ;-) Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 24

12:42pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bristol hornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
Me. Nothing as complicated as having to type an "X". You just click the thumbs down sign. Too complicated ? Have another try or call the wobbly helpline ;-)
Me too!
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]Me. Nothing as complicated as having to type an "X". You just click the thumbs down sign. Too complicated ? Have another try or call the wobbly helpline ;-)[/p][/quote]Me too! bristol hornet
  • Score: 7

1:00pm Fri 27 Jun 14

OliverF1976 says...

rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.?

He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation).

Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points.

What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager?

You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results.

I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?
Thanks to Zola we witnessed the best football ever played at Watford. You could point at various reasons for our failure to get automatic prmotion such as stone wall penalties not given at Peterborough and Millwall to name just two. I suppose Zola is to blame for the Leeds freak show with Almunia's injury in the warm up and the disgusting challenge on Bond. Thanks to Zola we managed to attract top players who wanted to play for him and us. I would rather thank Zola for showing us how football can be played and for getting us into third and that amazing Leicester game that will live in the memory of every true and passionate Watford supporter. Sadly it didn't work out but there is one thing Zola was not and that is a disaster.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.[/p][/quote]I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.? He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation). Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points. What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager? You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results. I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?[/p][/quote]Thanks to Zola we witnessed the best football ever played at Watford. You could point at various reasons for our failure to get automatic prmotion such as stone wall penalties not given at Peterborough and Millwall to name just two. I suppose Zola is to blame for the Leeds freak show with Almunia's injury in the warm up and the disgusting challenge on Bond. Thanks to Zola we managed to attract top players who wanted to play for him and us. I would rather thank Zola for showing us how football can be played and for getting us into third and that amazing Leicester game that will live in the memory of every true and passionate Watford supporter. Sadly it didn't work out but there is one thing Zola was not and that is a disaster. OliverF1976
  • Score: 49

1:07pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Drewoneone says...

jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
Good point Jason. I am so pleased WBA messed up on using Matty, as we now have him back! Every week last season I looked to see if the Baggies were giving him a game - which was rare. How could they have ignored such a talent so wastefully? Clarke got the sack and Mel wasn't kept on, which proves something about their judgement.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]Good point Jason. I am so pleased WBA messed up on using Matty, as we now have him back! Every week last season I looked to see if the Baggies were giving him a game - which was rare. How could they have ignored such a talent so wastefully? Clarke got the sack and Mel wasn't kept on, which proves something about their judgement. Drewoneone
  • Score: 8

1:11pm Fri 27 Jun 14

ORBY says...

Told you so!!
Told you so!! ORBY
  • Score: -1

1:11pm Fri 27 Jun 14

neilhorn says...

stunning signing. What is says to the rest of the players is : This team mean BUSINESS
stunning signing. What is says to the rest of the players is : This team mean BUSINESS neilhorn
  • Score: 9

1:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Banjo says...

hey Watford Observer, name & shame the people that doubted you on here.
it would be the usual band of miserable gits that you could give £100 to and they'd moan it wasn't £101.
their glass is always half empty.
hey Watford Observer, name & shame the people that doubted you on here. it would be the usual band of miserable gits that you could give £100 to and they'd moan it wasn't £101. their glass is always half empty. Banjo
  • Score: 5

1:38pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Sleeping with the enemy says...

rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
Roger, Roger, Roger. You just don't get it do you. Talking in a condescending manner never makes you popular. It's not necessarily WHAT you say that brings in the negative votes, it's the WAY that you say it. You're as entitled to your views as anyone else and as such should accept the occasional 'X in the wrong box'.

For what it's worth I actually agree that Zola was at fault on some occasions (I was at Bristol on the wet Tuesday evening in January). However to blame him wholeheartedly is wrong. Under Zola we played some of the best football I have seen from a Watford side and for that I will be eternally grateful and remeber his tenure fondly.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]Roger, Roger, Roger. You just don't get it do you. Talking in a condescending manner never makes you popular. It's not necessarily WHAT you say that brings in the negative votes, it's the WAY that you say it. You're as entitled to your views as anyone else and as such should accept the occasional 'X in the wrong box'. For what it's worth I actually agree that Zola was at fault on some occasions (I was at Bristol on the wet Tuesday evening in January). However to blame him wholeheartedly is wrong. Under Zola we played some of the best football I have seen from a Watford side and for that I will be eternally grateful and remeber his tenure fondly. Sleeping with the enemy
  • Score: 33

1:48pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Bush Hornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola Bush Hornet
  • Score: 23

2:07pm Fri 27 Jun 14

mellow yellow says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months.

Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for.

Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola[/p][/quote]Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months. Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for. Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might. mellow yellow
  • Score: 14

2:18pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 16

2:42pm Fri 27 Jun 14

stiffler99 says...

Zola did a great job for us. No doubt about it. As soon as a few results went wrong people got on his case. However, having been to Yeovil, Bolton and Charlton and seen some really torrid, unspectacular performances under the current manager and the level of passing drop drastically I just hope that things improve this season.
Zola did a great job for us. No doubt about it. As soon as a few results went wrong people got on his case. However, having been to Yeovil, Bolton and Charlton and seen some really torrid, unspectacular performances under the current manager and the level of passing drop drastically I just hope that things improve this season. stiffler99
  • Score: 10

2:48pm Fri 27 Jun 14

JonBoy says...

personally I think Zola should have recruited some help
personally I think Zola should have recruited some help JonBoy
  • Score: 13

2:59pm Fri 27 Jun 14

JohnnyBarnes says...

Bickering with people online rather than actually communicating with real life people via the mouth. I'm so proud to stand side-by-side with everyone on here as a Watford fan.

PS. Zola will, for me, always be regarded as a Hornets' legend.
Helped to attract some fabulous players, had us playing some incredible football at times; and with a humility that belied his popularity as a man and genius as a footballer. He's still missed by anyone with half a brain cell around here.
Bickering with people online rather than actually communicating with real life people via the mouth. I'm so proud to stand side-by-side with everyone on here as a Watford fan. PS. Zola will, for me, always be regarded as a Hornets' legend. Helped to attract some fabulous players, had us playing some incredible football at times; and with a humility that belied his popularity as a man and genius as a footballer. He's still missed by anyone with half a brain cell around here. JohnnyBarnes
  • Score: 26

3:15pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Boosey says...

rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
You're right in what you say about the WO, why the need to vote on a post?
Some posters on here only post to see how high or low they can score but it is wrong to slate someone who cannot spell properly.
I remember a first time poster on here getting absolutely slaughtered for his spelling, that poster hasn't been on here since.
WO get rid of the voting and to all posters, if someone can't spell so what?
On Zola, think he blew it first season and he knows it.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]You're right in what you say about the WO, why the need to vote on a post? Some posters on here only post to see how high or low they can score but it is wrong to slate someone who cannot spell properly. I remember a first time poster on here getting absolutely slaughtered for his spelling, that poster hasn't been on here since. WO get rid of the voting and to all posters, if someone can't spell so what? On Zola, think he blew it first season and he knows it. Boosey
  • Score: -12

3:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

mellow yellow says...

JonBoy wrote:
personally I think Zola should have recruited some help
He did. That was the problem. No one had ever heard of them. The board tried to help, he stood by his appointments, they accepted his resignation. So it goes. Sannino has no excuses this season. And he knows it.
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: personally I think Zola should have recruited some help[/p][/quote]He did. That was the problem. No one had ever heard of them. The board tried to help, he stood by his appointments, they accepted his resignation. So it goes. Sannino has no excuses this season. And he knows it. mellow yellow
  • Score: 5

3:45pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SAHornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I would still like GZ at the club but with a strong 2nd in command or defensive coach. He made mistakes that first, wonderful season but what rookie managers don't? Thanks to Zola and Lutondown, I traveled back to UK from South Africa for the first time in many years for that game when I really couldn't afford to. That to me was the measure of that man. It was a pretty miserable trip home but thanks to him I still have great memories of the day and the atmosphere.

We'll probably do quite well this season but don't forget that our owners seem to have learned the lessons of last season and their recruiting so far is an indication of this. I have no doubts that if Zola and a decent assistant were in charge now, we would gain promotion this coming season. I sincerely hope that under Beppe or someone else, we still will.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I would still like GZ at the club but with a strong 2nd in command or defensive coach. He made mistakes that first, wonderful season but what rookie managers don't? Thanks to Zola and Lutondown, I traveled back to UK from South Africa for the first time in many years for that game when I really couldn't afford to. That to me was the measure of that man. It was a pretty miserable trip home but thanks to him I still have great memories of the day and the atmosphere. We'll probably do quite well this season but don't forget that our owners seem to have learned the lessons of last season and their recruiting so far is an indication of this. I have no doubts that if Zola and a decent assistant were in charge now, we would gain promotion this coming season. I sincerely hope that under Beppe or someone else, we still will. SAHornet
  • Score: 8

3:53pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

mellow yellow wrote:
JonBoy wrote:
personally I think Zola should have recruited some help
He did. That was the problem. No one had ever heard of them. The board tried to help, he stood by his appointments, they accepted his resignation. So it goes. Sannino has no excuses this season. And he knows it.
He did but the wrong help. I think it was jasonwatford who said at the time that, Zola refused the 'new' help e.g the coaches now with Beppie. Zola preferred to stay loyal to the staff he brought in as the head coach fell on his sword. Whether true or not, this loyality would be characteristic of the Gianfranco that came across through the press. Like GT, he is the real Mr Integrity.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: personally I think Zola should have recruited some help[/p][/quote]He did. That was the problem. No one had ever heard of them. The board tried to help, he stood by his appointments, they accepted his resignation. So it goes. Sannino has no excuses this season. And he knows it.[/p][/quote]He did but the wrong help. I think it was jasonwatford who said at the time that, Zola refused the 'new' help e.g the coaches now with Beppie. Zola preferred to stay loyal to the staff he brought in as the head coach fell on his sword. Whether true or not, this loyality would be characteristic of the Gianfranco that came across through the press. Like GT, he is the real Mr Integrity. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 6

4:05pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Boosey wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
You're right in what you say about the WO, why the need to vote on a post?
Some posters on here only post to see how high or low they can score but it is wrong to slate someone who cannot spell properly.
I remember a first time poster on here getting absolutely slaughtered for his spelling, that poster hasn't been on here since.
WO get rid of the voting and to all posters, if someone can't spell so what?
On Zola, think he blew it first season and he knows it.
I am not slating spelling, the great man Churchill could not spell.
I am slating the people who don't have a mind of their own and go along with the crowd, scared to be different or express a different point of view.

Mostly making a one word post without the logic or intelligence to quantify the reasons for it.
[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]You're right in what you say about the WO, why the need to vote on a post? Some posters on here only post to see how high or low they can score but it is wrong to slate someone who cannot spell properly. I remember a first time poster on here getting absolutely slaughtered for his spelling, that poster hasn't been on here since. WO get rid of the voting and to all posters, if someone can't spell so what? On Zola, think he blew it first season and he knows it.[/p][/quote]I am not slating spelling, the great man Churchill could not spell. I am slating the people who don't have a mind of their own and go along with the crowd, scared to be different or express a different point of view. Mostly making a one word post without the logic or intelligence to quantify the reasons for it. rogeruk
  • Score: -20

4:08pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

stiffler99 wrote:
Zola did a great job for us. No doubt about it. As soon as a few results went wrong people got on his case. However, having been to Yeovil, Bolton and Charlton and seen some really torrid, unspectacular performances under the current manager and the level of passing drop drastically I just hope that things improve this season.
A few results, he lost five home games on the trot including a 3-0 home to Yeovil. That is some record! If you call that a great job you just be what 5 years old?
[quote][p][bold]stiffler99[/bold] wrote: Zola did a great job for us. No doubt about it. As soon as a few results went wrong people got on his case. However, having been to Yeovil, Bolton and Charlton and seen some really torrid, unspectacular performances under the current manager and the level of passing drop drastically I just hope that things improve this season.[/p][/quote]A few results, he lost five home games on the trot including a 3-0 home to Yeovil. That is some record! If you call that a great job you just be what 5 years old? rogeruk
  • Score: -26

4:09pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Bickering with people online rather than actually communicating with real life people via the mouth. I'm so proud to stand side-by-side with everyone on here as a Watford fan.

PS. Zola will, for me, always be regarded as a Hornets' legend.
Helped to attract some fabulous players, had us playing some incredible football at times; and with a humility that belied his popularity as a man and genius as a footballer. He's still missed by anyone with half a brain cell around here.
A legend who lost the club £200 million. Clever fan you are!
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: Bickering with people online rather than actually communicating with real life people via the mouth. I'm so proud to stand side-by-side with everyone on here as a Watford fan. PS. Zola will, for me, always be regarded as a Hornets' legend. Helped to attract some fabulous players, had us playing some incredible football at times; and with a humility that belied his popularity as a man and genius as a footballer. He's still missed by anyone with half a brain cell around here.[/p][/quote]A legend who lost the club £200 million. Clever fan you are! rogeruk
  • Score: -30

4:11pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
When you are paid a lot of money, you can not sit down with the Board of Directors and say sorry I am only human. It does not cut the chase, I understand most of you have no ideal of business but surely you can understand that?
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]When you are paid a lot of money, you can not sit down with the Board of Directors and say sorry I am only human. It does not cut the chase, I understand most of you have no ideal of business but surely you can understand that? rogeruk
  • Score: -23

4:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months.

Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for.

Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.
Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type.

I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola[/p][/quote]Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months. Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for. Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.[/p][/quote]Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type. I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her. rogeruk
  • Score: -34

4:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes.

Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief!

Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes. Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief! Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman. rogeruk
  • Score: -30

4:29pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

JohnnyBarnes wrote:
Bickering with people online rather than actually communicating with real life people via the mouth. I'm so proud to stand side-by-side with everyone on here as a Watford fan.

PS. Zola will, for me, always be regarded as a Hornets' legend.
Helped to attract some fabulous players, had us playing some incredible football at times; and with a humility that belied his popularity as a man and genius as a footballer. He's still missed by anyone with half a brain cell around here.
You're dead right, only half a brain cell fans miss him.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyBarnes[/bold] wrote: Bickering with people online rather than actually communicating with real life people via the mouth. I'm so proud to stand side-by-side with everyone on here as a Watford fan. PS. Zola will, for me, always be regarded as a Hornets' legend. Helped to attract some fabulous players, had us playing some incredible football at times; and with a humility that belied his popularity as a man and genius as a footballer. He's still missed by anyone with half a brain cell around here.[/p][/quote]You're dead right, only half a brain cell fans miss him. rogeruk
  • Score: -26

4:34pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months.

Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for.

Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.
Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type.

I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her.
Are you married Roger ? You seem a really fun guy to be around and spend time with.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola[/p][/quote]Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months. Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for. Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.[/p][/quote]Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type. I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her.[/p][/quote]Are you married Roger ? You seem a really fun guy to be around and spend time with. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 27

4:34pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

mellow yellow wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months.

Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for.

Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.
If some one comes up with a counter argument and shows he is his own man and not playing to the crowd of sheeple I will respect that, Have you seen the crap that get thrown at me with not a milligram of intelligence but with one word answers by people incapable of anything else.

We need to get better more informed and individually strong minded people on here otherwise this site is going down. The management learn nothing from a bunch of sheeple. When people don't cut it or can't back up an opinion they need to be told.
[quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola[/p][/quote]Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months. Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for. Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.[/p][/quote]If some one comes up with a counter argument and shows he is his own man and not playing to the crowd of sheeple I will respect that, Have you seen the crap that get thrown at me with not a milligram of intelligence but with one word answers by people incapable of anything else. We need to get better more informed and individually strong minded people on here otherwise this site is going down. The management learn nothing from a bunch of sheeple. When people don't cut it or can't back up an opinion they need to be told. rogeruk
  • Score: -23

4:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

rogeruk wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes.

Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief!

Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.
Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...".

You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes. Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief! Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.[/p][/quote]Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...". You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ? Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 19

4:37pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months.

Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for.

Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.
Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type.

I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her.
Are you married Roger ? You seem a really fun guy to be around and spend time with.
And that is your intelligent answer to some serious points is it? Your pathetic I guess you hang around with a lot of really interesting people, anyone with an IQ of more than 75 would fall asleep the second you say something!
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola[/p][/quote]Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months. Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for. Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.[/p][/quote]Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type. I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her.[/p][/quote]Are you married Roger ? You seem a really fun guy to be around and spend time with.[/p][/quote]And that is your intelligent answer to some serious points is it? Your pathetic I guess you hang around with a lot of really interesting people, anyone with an IQ of more than 75 would fall asleep the second you say something! rogeruk
  • Score: -29

4:40pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes.

Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief!

Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.
Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...".

You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?
Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain!
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes. Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief! Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.[/p][/quote]Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...". You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?[/p][/quote]Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain! rogeruk
  • Score: -27

4:50pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

rogeruk wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months.

Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for.

Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.
Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type.

I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her.
Are you married Roger ? You seem a really fun guy to be around and spend time with.
And that is your intelligent answer to some serious points is it? Your pathetic I guess you hang around with a lot of really interesting people, anyone with an IQ of more than 75 would fall asleep the second you say something!
Sorry, did you make a serious point ? Must have missed it. Perhaps the fact that GZ personally lost the Pozzos £200m qualifies under your criteria ? Just like GZ you are terrific entertainment Rodge.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola[/p][/quote]Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months. Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for. Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.[/p][/quote]Instead of pontificating with the the crowd of sheep behind you. Why don't you be a man and make serious arguments against my argument. You have said nothing. You defend a man who cost the club £200 million . All you do is skirt around it like a local politician of the Lab/Lib Dem/Tory type. I don't know why I bother with the likes of you, oh yes I do I like to think we can attract a cleverer and edgy type of person who knows his own mind to post on here before being hung out to dry with the likes of you and your sheeple gang up on him or her.[/p][/quote]Are you married Roger ? You seem a really fun guy to be around and spend time with.[/p][/quote]And that is your intelligent answer to some serious points is it? Your pathetic I guess you hang around with a lot of really interesting people, anyone with an IQ of more than 75 would fall asleep the second you say something![/p][/quote]Sorry, did you make a serious point ? Must have missed it. Perhaps the fact that GZ personally lost the Pozzos £200m qualifies under your criteria ? Just like GZ you are terrific entertainment Rodge. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 4

4:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

rogeruk wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes.

Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief!

Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.
Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...".

You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?
Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain!
Surely you believe I do have a brain, just that it doesn't operate very well ? Do you really believe GZ was pipped to the post at Man Utd and that he will be managing in the conference next ? Do those comments need a serious well argued response too ? You're an interesting character Rodge. The Suarez of the wobbly forum if I can put it that way.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes. Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief! Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.[/p][/quote]Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...". You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?[/p][/quote]Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain![/p][/quote]Surely you believe I do have a brain, just that it doesn't operate very well ? Do you really believe GZ was pipped to the post at Man Utd and that he will be managing in the conference next ? Do those comments need a serious well argued response too ? You're an interesting character Rodge. The Suarez of the wobbly forum if I can put it that way. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 9

4:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes.

Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief!

Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.
Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...".

You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?
And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...".

If If if if if,
If you had a brain you could be interesting but you haven't and you don't!

What a complete irrelevance! You seek solace in moving the goalposts away from the crux of the argument by introducing some 'Red Herring' as some sort of reasoning in your own warped mind for not being able to be lucid or articulate an argument on serious grounds.

You hide in some sort of complete irrelevance! Arguments on here are so 'off the wall and so far from reality I think most of you are on Prozac.

What the hell relevance has any of the dross you come up with to do with Zola and Watford’s situation? I am looking for someone to defend Zola on losing the club £200 million and losing 5 (five) home games on the trot including to relegated Yeovil 3-0. You have people on here saying Zola is a legend like Graham Taylor and people give him the thumbs up. You are all legends on here but only in your own minds. Therein lies the problem on here.

Now either make a sensible reasoned argument against what I have put up for argument or go away and stop wasting my time.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes. Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief! Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.[/p][/quote]Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...". You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?[/p][/quote]And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...". If If if if if, If you had a brain you could be interesting but you haven't and you don't! What a complete irrelevance! You seek solace in moving the goalposts away from the crux of the argument by introducing some 'Red Herring' as some sort of reasoning in your own warped mind for not being able to be lucid or articulate an argument on serious grounds. You hide in some sort of complete irrelevance! Arguments on here are so 'off the wall and so far from reality I think most of you are on Prozac. What the hell relevance has any of the dross you come up with to do with Zola and Watford’s situation? I am looking for someone to defend Zola on losing the club £200 million and losing 5 (five) home games on the trot including to relegated Yeovil 3-0. You have people on here saying Zola is a legend like Graham Taylor and people give him the thumbs up. You are all legends on here but only in your own minds. Therein lies the problem on here. Now either make a sensible reasoned argument against what I have put up for argument or go away and stop wasting my time. rogeruk
  • Score: -27

4:59pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes.

Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief!

Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.
Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...".

You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?
Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain!
Surely you believe I do have a brain, just that it doesn't operate very well ? Do you really believe GZ was pipped to the post at Man Utd and that he will be managing in the conference next ? Do those comments need a serious well argued response too ? You're an interesting character Rodge. The Suarez of the wobbly forum if I can put it that way.
You prove the point perfectly, but few on here are able to see it!

Sardonic commentary is wasted on people like you. now go and bite off something you can chew on like a dog bone, that's if you have any teeth which I very much doubt.
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes. Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief! Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.[/p][/quote]Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...". You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?[/p][/quote]Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain![/p][/quote]Surely you believe I do have a brain, just that it doesn't operate very well ? Do you really believe GZ was pipped to the post at Man Utd and that he will be managing in the conference next ? Do those comments need a serious well argued response too ? You're an interesting character Rodge. The Suarez of the wobbly forum if I can put it that way.[/p][/quote]You prove the point perfectly, but few on here are able to see it! Sardonic commentary is wasted on people like you. now go and bite off something you can chew on like a dog bone, that's if you have any teeth which I very much doubt. rogeruk
  • Score: -22

5:01pm Fri 27 Jun 14

rogeruk says...

Its been fun must do this again sometime but not for a while, too busy!

Have to go now.

Now I've gone the sheeple clappers can be really brave!
Its been fun must do this again sometime but not for a while, too busy! Have to go now. Now I've gone the sheeple clappers can be really brave! rogeruk
  • Score: -16

5:03pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Larrythe Loafer 'Orn says...

I loved the football we played under GZ except for three things
1) He had no plan B when Plan A wasn't working
2) He played around with the team, making wholesale changes - too many
3) Whilst he attracted many players who wanted to be coached by him - he is a really good coach but he is not a Manager. He needs the experienced partner or No 2 to do the managerial job whilst he coaches.

Really nice man (too nice I fear) who lacked the grit to get his team to keep working until the final whistle and not get deeper and deeper with 15 minutes to go and then give away goals . He had a GREAT championship team of players, they almost made him a winner. Shame
I loved the football we played under GZ except for three things 1) He had no plan B when Plan A wasn't working 2) He played around with the team, making wholesale changes - too many 3) Whilst he attracted many players who wanted to be coached by him - he is a really good coach but he is not a Manager. He needs the experienced partner or No 2 to do the managerial job whilst he coaches. Really nice man (too nice I fear) who lacked the grit to get his team to keep working until the final whistle and not get deeper and deeper with 15 minutes to go and then give away goals . He had a GREAT championship team of players, they almost made him a winner. Shame Larrythe Loafer 'Orn
  • Score: 6

5:05pm Fri 27 Jun 14

KeithMercer says...

Roger just go and support Chelsea/Man City if all you care about is $$$ and silverware ! I support my local club through thick and thin and have nothing but good to say about Zola. He made mistakes yes, but I would have him back tomorrow . Do you have to be so insulting to anyone that happens to disagree with you ? and why are you so concerned with thumbs up/down ?. Do you have low esteem issues ?.
Roger just go and support Chelsea/Man City if all you care about is $$$ and silverware ! I support my local club through thick and thin and have nothing but good to say about Zola. He made mistakes yes, but I would have him back tomorrow . Do you have to be so insulting to anyone that happens to disagree with you ? and why are you so concerned with thumbs up/down ?. Do you have low esteem issues ?. KeithMercer
  • Score: 20

5:06pm Fri 27 Jun 14

bushey tales says...

jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically. bushey tales
  • Score: 9

5:12pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

rogeruk wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down.

Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out.

Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive.

The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson.

In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean?


And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.
And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes.

Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief!

Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.
Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...".

You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?
Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain!
Surely you believe I do have a brain, just that it doesn't operate very well ? Do you really believe GZ was pipped to the post at Man Utd and that he will be managing in the conference next ? Do those comments need a serious well argued response too ? You're an interesting character Rodge. The Suarez of the wobbly forum if I can put it that way.
You prove the point perfectly, but few on here are able to see it!

Sardonic commentary is wasted on people like you. now go and bite off something you can chew on like a dog bone, that's if you have any teeth which I very much doubt.
You doubt I have teeth now ? Really ?
Going back to the point, many on here have pointed out why GZ will be held in esteem by many fans and you choose not accept their reasoning but continue to insist he cost the club £200m without articulating why promotion should have been so easy to achieve.
You really deserve your own case study Rodge.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: Happy clappers and naysayers have the right - the same/ equal right re thumbs up/down. Roger I think you are wrong to say Zola was a disaster. Like all of us he is human and made mistakes - had his share good and bad fortune too as other posters have pointed out. Did some of his decisions cost us? Yes, then it is easy to forget the good decisions he made (e.g support for Troy when he could have got rid in Sept 2012). It is easy to be hyper critical, much less so to be supportive or constructive. The players loved playing for GFZ - who wouldn't the way we played in 2012/13. Even the players who left had only good things to say about GFZ. If there was one major error he made it was to get too close to them - like a friend rather than a manager/ mentor or. father figure a la Ferguson. In retrospect, Gianfranco had to go as he ran out of ideas as he, as an honest man admitted hence his resignation. But if it was a failure to finish 3rd, what did that make Brendon, Malky and Sean? And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place. Would have been a manager in Seria A or the Premier League.[/p][/quote]And if you had brains you would not write claptrap like that! All of you with these populist answers of supporting a total failure need to take a good look at yourselves, you defend losers and big time losers. You would think after West Ham Zola would have learn't from his mistakes. Comparing Zola with José Mourinho are you mad? Mourinho who won premier leagues in three countries, champion leagues. I truly despair with the level of IQ on here. I think we have reached the pits in the history of this site, the comments are of such dross and low IQ it beggars belief! Zola would be lucky to get a job at Torquay United now. I don't see any club clammering for his services, although I heard a rumour; Zola in was in for the Man Utd job and was very unlucky not to get it they gave it to some unknown Dutchman.[/p][/quote]Can you read Roger ? "....And if Gianfranco had been a great manager like say Mourinho, Martinez, etc, he would never have been here in the first place...". You do know the difference between the words "compare" and "contrast" don't you ?[/p][/quote]Why don't you answer the question? With a counter argument, because you can't! Now you are trying to be pedantic and failing miserably, contrast or compare its irrelevant what you don't have is a brain![/p][/quote]Surely you believe I do have a brain, just that it doesn't operate very well ? Do you really believe GZ was pipped to the post at Man Utd and that he will be managing in the conference next ? Do those comments need a serious well argued response too ? You're an interesting character Rodge. The Suarez of the wobbly forum if I can put it that way.[/p][/quote]You prove the point perfectly, but few on here are able to see it! Sardonic commentary is wasted on people like you. now go and bite off something you can chew on like a dog bone, that's if you have any teeth which I very much doubt.[/p][/quote]You doubt I have teeth now ? Really ? Going back to the point, many on here have pointed out why GZ will be held in esteem by many fans and you choose not accept their reasoning but continue to insist he cost the club £200m without articulating why promotion should have been so easy to achieve. You really deserve your own case study Rodge. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 11

5:14pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

The person who never makes a mistake, never makes a decision. Some of the most successful entrepreneurs have gone bankrupt or nearly so .... e.g Henry Ford, Richard Branson, Peter Jones, Duncan Balentyne.

Of course you don't sit down in front of the board and say that you are only human - I never suggested or implied that Gianfranco should have done.

You say Gianfranco cost us £200m. No he didn't we never had it in the first place. Without him, most probably, we would not have been even close to the Prem.

As regards Mourinho, the point I made was that calibre of manager will never come to Watford except at the very beginning of their careers like Brendan did. And he jumped ship at the earliest possible moment - and here only 8 months. And less successful than GFZ was in first 8 months.

Presumably, Graham Taylor was a failure too for not keeping us in the Premier League in 2000 and cost us whatever that status was worth back then.

I agree Gianfranco had to go as my previous post indicated, but to call his tenure disasterous is way too strong. We finished 3rd with a whole group of new players that gelled almost immediately, which was down in no small way to GFZ.

Brendan finished 15th (or 14th), Malky (16th and 14th), and Sean (11th), or perhaps we should go back to Aidy? What should our expectations have been back in 2012? In May it was not to be relegated/ in administration or possibly to do a Portsmouth/ Coventry or god forbid a Luton. Suddenly perceptions changed.

Roger what do you consider would constitute success for Watford? What is your yardstick? And what are your ideas for achieving it?

I strongly disagree with you as obviously what constitutes success for you is different to me, but that is no reason to resort to insulting and defamatory correspondence. And no I do not care how many people agree or disagree with what I have to write, what I do care about is Watford FC and a free and open debate with people who have a spectrum of viewpoints. The world would be very boring if we all had the same views - try North Korea if that what anyone wants.
The person who never makes a mistake, never makes a decision. Some of the most successful entrepreneurs have gone bankrupt or nearly so .... e.g Henry Ford, Richard Branson, Peter Jones, Duncan Balentyne. Of course you don't sit down in front of the board and say that you are only human - I never suggested or implied that Gianfranco should have done. You say Gianfranco cost us £200m. No he didn't we never had it in the first place. Without him, most probably, we would not have been even close to the Prem. As regards Mourinho, the point I made was that calibre of manager will never come to Watford except at the very beginning of their careers like Brendan did. And he jumped ship at the earliest possible moment - and here only 8 months. And less successful than GFZ was in first 8 months. Presumably, Graham Taylor was a failure too for not keeping us in the Premier League in 2000 and cost us whatever that status was worth back then. I agree Gianfranco had to go as my previous post indicated, but to call his tenure disasterous is way too strong. We finished 3rd with a whole group of new players that gelled almost immediately, which was down in no small way to GFZ. Brendan finished 15th (or 14th), Malky (16th and 14th), and Sean (11th), or perhaps we should go back to Aidy? What should our expectations have been back in 2012? In May it was not to be relegated/ in administration or possibly to do a Portsmouth/ Coventry or god forbid a Luton. Suddenly perceptions changed. Roger what do you consider would constitute success for Watford? What is your yardstick? And what are your ideas for achieving it? I strongly disagree with you as obviously what constitutes success for you is different to me, but that is no reason to resort to insulting and defamatory correspondence. And no I do not care how many people agree or disagree with what I have to write, what I do care about is Watford FC and a free and open debate with people who have a spectrum of viewpoints. The world would be very boring if we all had the same views - try North Korea if that what anyone wants. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 20

5:17pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Pawlettfan says...

Can we get back to Vydra?
I am really, really delighted to see him back, but one thing bothers me: what sort of relationship is he going to have with TD on and off the pitch?
During a match commentary on Watford Player last year where TD was co-commentating, I got the impression that MV had burned his boats with Watford and that TD was almost pleased to see the back of him (perhaps it comes down to loyalty - we know where Troy's lie, but Vydra just seemed to be looking for the main chance - or rather his agent was).
Will they be able get on well enough together on the pitch? Or will they both be trying too hard to get one over the other at the expense of the team? I don't think Troy would take too kindly to someone taking over his top-dog spot after last season.
Time will tell
Can we get back to Vydra? I am really, really delighted to see him back, but one thing bothers me: what sort of relationship is he going to have with TD on and off the pitch? During a match commentary on Watford Player last year where TD was co-commentating, I got the impression that MV had burned his boats with Watford and that TD was almost pleased to see the back of him (perhaps it comes down to loyalty - we know where Troy's lie, but Vydra just seemed to be looking for the main chance - or rather his agent was). Will they be able get on well enough together on the pitch? Or will they both be trying too hard to get one over the other at the expense of the team? I don't think Troy would take too kindly to someone taking over his top-dog spot after last season. Time will tell Pawlettfan
  • Score: 3

5:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

Pawlettfan wrote:
Can we get back to Vydra?
I am really, really delighted to see him back, but one thing bothers me: what sort of relationship is he going to have with TD on and off the pitch?
During a match commentary on Watford Player last year where TD was co-commentating, I got the impression that MV had burned his boats with Watford and that TD was almost pleased to see the back of him (perhaps it comes down to loyalty - we know where Troy's lie, but Vydra just seemed to be looking for the main chance - or rather his agent was).
Will they be able get on well enough together on the pitch? Or will they both be trying too hard to get one over the other at the expense of the team? I don't think Troy would take too kindly to someone taking over his top-dog spot after last season.
Time will tell
Yes TD was asked how he felt about being the main man after MV had left to which he responded, pretty firmly, that he'd always been the main man and that he's carried on scoring when MV's goals had dried up. Got the feeling there was a little jealousy there and maybe felt he MV was getting more credit than he was due. perhaps rightly.
[quote][p][bold]Pawlettfan[/bold] wrote: Can we get back to Vydra? I am really, really delighted to see him back, but one thing bothers me: what sort of relationship is he going to have with TD on and off the pitch? During a match commentary on Watford Player last year where TD was co-commentating, I got the impression that MV had burned his boats with Watford and that TD was almost pleased to see the back of him (perhaps it comes down to loyalty - we know where Troy's lie, but Vydra just seemed to be looking for the main chance - or rather his agent was). Will they be able get on well enough together on the pitch? Or will they both be trying too hard to get one over the other at the expense of the team? I don't think Troy would take too kindly to someone taking over his top-dog spot after last season. Time will tell[/p][/quote]Yes TD was asked how he felt about being the main man after MV had left to which he responded, pretty firmly, that he'd always been the main man and that he's carried on scoring when MV's goals had dried up. Got the feeling there was a little jealousy there and maybe felt he MV was getting more credit than he was due. perhaps rightly. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 4

5:39pm Fri 27 Jun 14

weeblehorn says...

rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I agree with you Roger....
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I agree with you Roger.... weeblehorn
  • Score: -16

6:07pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Bush Hornet says...

Oh dear. Roger's back with a vengeance, to kill off all sensibility.

See you later folks, I'm outta here
Oh dear. Roger's back with a vengeance, to kill off all sensibility. See you later folks, I'm outta here Bush Hornet
  • Score: 6

6:20pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
Pawlettfan wrote:
Can we get back to Vydra?
I am really, really delighted to see him back, but one thing bothers me: what sort of relationship is he going to have with TD on and off the pitch?
During a match commentary on Watford Player last year where TD was co-commentating, I got the impression that MV had burned his boats with Watford and that TD was almost pleased to see the back of him (perhaps it comes down to loyalty - we know where Troy's lie, but Vydra just seemed to be looking for the main chance - or rather his agent was).
Will they be able get on well enough together on the pitch? Or will they both be trying too hard to get one over the other at the expense of the team? I don't think Troy would take too kindly to someone taking over his top-dog spot after last season.
Time will tell
Yes TD was asked how he felt about being the main man after MV had left to which he responded, pretty firmly, that he'd always been the main man and that he's carried on scoring when MV's goals had dried up. Got the feeling there was a little jealousy there and maybe felt he MV was getting more credit than he was due. perhaps rightly.
Give Troy the captaincy for the season and extend his contract. In one sense Deeney is the main man. He is the leader on the pitch, Vydra is a better goalscorer I believe. Deeney has consistently shown an appetite to improve, he did so under Sean, Gianfranco, and came back strongly at the end of last season after his sticky patch.

He rises to the challenge. Give him the captain's arm band and the responsibility to get the team promoted. Look what it did for Robert Page and Gavin McMahon. It made them better team players. Then Troy's personal relationship with Matej will be irrelevant.

Reading the Watfordfc site, all Vydra wants to do is score goals and lots of them. Let him loose. And with his, Dyer's and Anya's pace, 3 lightening quick players we'll scare defences to bits. Some Championship sides have one quick defender none have 3.

Yes he will be off if a much better offer comes along - like it did for Maurice Johnston, Kevin Phillips etc. Let's face it every Watford player will go if that offer comes along including Troy (and good luck if it does). He is not a fan neither is Troy.

I am really looking forward to the new season now. Oh and welcome home Matej. Let's make him feel welcome and one of our own
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pawlettfan[/bold] wrote: Can we get back to Vydra? I am really, really delighted to see him back, but one thing bothers me: what sort of relationship is he going to have with TD on and off the pitch? During a match commentary on Watford Player last year where TD was co-commentating, I got the impression that MV had burned his boats with Watford and that TD was almost pleased to see the back of him (perhaps it comes down to loyalty - we know where Troy's lie, but Vydra just seemed to be looking for the main chance - or rather his agent was). Will they be able get on well enough together on the pitch? Or will they both be trying too hard to get one over the other at the expense of the team? I don't think Troy would take too kindly to someone taking over his top-dog spot after last season. Time will tell[/p][/quote]Yes TD was asked how he felt about being the main man after MV had left to which he responded, pretty firmly, that he'd always been the main man and that he's carried on scoring when MV's goals had dried up. Got the feeling there was a little jealousy there and maybe felt he MV was getting more credit than he was due. perhaps rightly.[/p][/quote]Give Troy the captaincy for the season and extend his contract. In one sense Deeney is the main man. He is the leader on the pitch, Vydra is a better goalscorer I believe. Deeney has consistently shown an appetite to improve, he did so under Sean, Gianfranco, and came back strongly at the end of last season after his sticky patch. He rises to the challenge. Give him the captain's arm band and the responsibility to get the team promoted. Look what it did for Robert Page and Gavin McMahon. It made them better team players. Then Troy's personal relationship with Matej will be irrelevant. Reading the Watfordfc site, all Vydra wants to do is score goals and lots of them. Let him loose. And with his, Dyer's and Anya's pace, 3 lightening quick players we'll scare defences to bits. Some Championship sides have one quick defender none have 3. Yes he will be off if a much better offer comes along - like it did for Maurice Johnston, Kevin Phillips etc. Let's face it every Watford player will go if that offer comes along including Troy (and good luck if it does). He is not a fan neither is Troy. I am really looking forward to the new season now. Oh and welcome home Matej. Let's make him feel welcome and one of our own soulfulhornet
  • Score: 5

6:23pm Fri 27 Jun 14

neilhorn says...

It would be surprising if Troy is still herre by August anyway. The pozzos sell at optimum, Deeney is at optimum right now. A realistic offer from a Prem Club (£8m) and he's gone. And I'm fine with that, I'd love to keep him but would wish him well
It would be surprising if Troy is still herre by August anyway. The pozzos sell at optimum, Deeney is at optimum right now. A realistic offer from a Prem Club (£8m) and he's gone. And I'm fine with that, I'd love to keep him but would wish him well neilhorn
  • Score: 0

7:02pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Dr.Hackenbush says...

rogeruk wrote:
mellow yellow wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola
Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months.

Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for.

Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.
If some one comes up with a counter argument and shows he is his own man and not playing to the crowd of sheeple I will respect that, Have you seen the crap that get thrown at me with not a milligram of intelligence but with one word answers by people incapable of anything else.

We need to get better more informed and individually strong minded people on here otherwise this site is going down. The management learn nothing from a bunch of sheeple. When people don't cut it or can't back up an opinion they need to be told.
Are you ok mate? I can recommend a good doctor if you like. Just have a little lie down and try not to get too excited, you really do sound unwell.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellow yellow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]I'm normally happy to give you the thumbs down Roger. You have provided us with another bonkers post and it brought a smile to my face but your assessment of Zola is so completely wrong that I'd thumb it down minus 50 if I could. I believe that style of play is really important. And as has been said, so I don't need to bang on about it, no one gave us better football than Zola[/p][/quote]Precisely. And, it would seem, anyone who disagrees with roger is not only a 'loser' but is lacking in the testicular department, too. Ah, well, at least we haven't had to endure more historical lectures from previous political decades, just the Zola months. Anyone who was fortunate enough to witness so many outstanding games cannot possibly fail to think of Zola without a smile on their face and more than a tinge of empathy that, at the end of the day, it JUST QUITE didn't work out to be the fairy tale we ALL hoped for. Roger: be more civil and your opinions might actually be worth discussing in more detail. Might.[/p][/quote]If some one comes up with a counter argument and shows he is his own man and not playing to the crowd of sheeple I will respect that, Have you seen the crap that get thrown at me with not a milligram of intelligence but with one word answers by people incapable of anything else. We need to get better more informed and individually strong minded people on here otherwise this site is going down. The management learn nothing from a bunch of sheeple. When people don't cut it or can't back up an opinion they need to be told.[/p][/quote]Are you ok mate? I can recommend a good doctor if you like. Just have a little lie down and try not to get too excited, you really do sound unwell. Dr.Hackenbush
  • Score: 7

7:29pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

neilhorn wrote:
It would be surprising if Troy is still herre by August anyway. The pozzos sell at optimum, Deeney is at optimum right now. A realistic offer from a Prem Club (£8m) and he's gone. And I'm fine with that, I'd love to keep him but would wish him well
Sadly agree it is most likely Troy will be off. There are 2 ways of looking at

1) he has reached his peak and therefore should be allowed to go. £8m no £4-6m most likely. Check Lambert's valuation for support of that statement.
2) If Deeney through his goalscoring, his personality (on pitch) and leadership ensures Premier League status, what is that worth? According to Roger UK that was worth £200m to the club, with the new TV money probably more. £5m v. £200m. No brainer from a Pozzo viewpoint, he stays.

I wish Troy all the best whatever the outcome. He has turned his life around after his stupidity in 2012. Hopefully, he will stay.
[quote][p][bold]neilhorn[/bold] wrote: It would be surprising if Troy is still herre by August anyway. The pozzos sell at optimum, Deeney is at optimum right now. A realistic offer from a Prem Club (£8m) and he's gone. And I'm fine with that, I'd love to keep him but would wish him well[/p][/quote]Sadly agree it is most likely Troy will be off. There are 2 ways of looking at 1) he has reached his peak and therefore should be allowed to go. £8m no £4-6m most likely. Check Lambert's valuation for support of that statement. 2) If Deeney through his goalscoring, his personality (on pitch) and leadership ensures Premier League status, what is that worth? According to Roger UK that was worth £200m to the club, with the new TV money probably more. £5m v. £200m. No brainer from a Pozzo viewpoint, he stays. I wish Troy all the best whatever the outcome. He has turned his life around after his stupidity in 2012. Hopefully, he will stay. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 7

7:36pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

rogeruk wrote:
All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones.

The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.
Sorry to go back to rogeruk, who is not/ should not be the focus of this thread. But Rogeruk can I presume from this post that you are against universal suffrage and the secret ballot? Hopefully not.
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: All those losers who have voted me down identify yourself if you have the cojones. The WO by letting these happy clappers vote without justification or reason have done a disservice to the posts on this site. Its brought the site down to the level of the illiterates who can't write and only have to put an X in the box.[/p][/quote]Sorry to go back to rogeruk, who is not/ should not be the focus of this thread. But Rogeruk can I presume from this post that you are against universal suffrage and the secret ballot? Hopefully not. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Billie says...

Roger likes Mourinho so much. Many clubs now won't touch him for his lack of sportsmanship and lack of integrity. Zola is twice the man Mourinho ever will be, and a few over financed successes won't change that. Even with all that money Mourinho's teams are boring. This is a sport and an entertainment and for some winning is not everything Roger. You have your opinion, others have there own.
Roger likes Mourinho so much. Many clubs now won't touch him for his lack of sportsmanship and lack of integrity. Zola is twice the man Mourinho ever will be, and a few over financed successes won't change that. Even with all that money Mourinho's teams are boring. This is a sport and an entertainment and for some winning is not everything Roger. You have your opinion, others have there own. Billie
  • Score: 7

7:57pm Fri 27 Jun 14

steveinmk says...

Lots of ifs and buts here. If Deeney stays and if he and Vydra can re-kindle the on-field understanding that they had at their best, this will be a fantastic signing. But...undeniably talented though he is, it's not obvious that Vydra is a team player, so it will be interesting to see if Beppe can get the best out of him. I'm generally a 'glass half full' optimist, but Frank Smith's piece does emphasise that it's possible that Vydra may feel that he's been painted into a bit of a corner here - no bad thing in one sense if he (and his agent) had developed an over-inflated sense of his importance and value. If he's grown up a bit and had a reality check in the last year - fantastic. If he spends the season sulking that he's not playing in the Premier League or Serie A, this won't help at all. Above all, team spirit is what we need. Here's hoping...
Lots of ifs and buts here. If Deeney stays and if he and Vydra can re-kindle the on-field understanding that they had at their best, this will be a fantastic signing. But...undeniably talented though he is, it's not obvious that Vydra is a team player, so it will be interesting to see if Beppe can get the best out of him. I'm generally a 'glass half full' optimist, but Frank Smith's piece does emphasise that it's possible that Vydra may feel that he's been painted into a bit of a corner here - no bad thing in one sense if he (and his agent) had developed an over-inflated sense of his importance and value. If he's grown up a bit and had a reality check in the last year - fantastic. If he spends the season sulking that he's not playing in the Premier League or Serie A, this won't help at all. Above all, team spirit is what we need. Here's hoping... steveinmk
  • Score: 3

8:10pm Fri 27 Jun 14

jasonwatford says...

bushey tales wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.
Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.
[quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.[/p][/quote]Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy. jasonwatford
  • Score: 2

8:22pm Fri 27 Jun 14

only5foot3 says...

Vydra and deeney, like rush and dalglish, lineker and Beardsley, bull and Mutch, furlong and dyer and Harford and stein
Vydra and deeney, like rush and dalglish, lineker and Beardsley, bull and Mutch, furlong and dyer and Harford and stein only5foot3
  • Score: 4

8:55pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

jasonwatford wrote:
bushey tales wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.
Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.
Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts.

Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.[/p][/quote]Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.[/p][/quote]Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts. Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 6

9:57pm Fri 27 Jun 14

matey_from_brighton says...

soulfulhornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
bushey tales wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.
Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.
Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts.

Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.
Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway).
[quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.[/p][/quote]Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.[/p][/quote]Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts. Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.[/p][/quote]Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway). matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 3

10:16pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Mickey Quinn, not so thin says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
bushey tales wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.
Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.
Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts.

Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.
Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway).
interesting debate. Having seen them both I'd back Vydra, just, but then the standard of the game itself has moved on so much since those days. When you watch old "Big match highlights" on the ITV re-runs the standard is alarmingly poor compared to current day. Happy days though. Here's to loads more.
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.[/p][/quote]Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.[/p][/quote]Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts. Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.[/p][/quote]Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway).[/p][/quote]interesting debate. Having seen them both I'd back Vydra, just, but then the standard of the game itself has moved on so much since those days. When you watch old "Big match highlights" on the ITV re-runs the standard is alarmingly poor compared to current day. Happy days though. Here's to loads more. Mickey Quinn, not so thin
  • Score: 1

10:18pm Fri 27 Jun 14

SAHornet says...

only5foot3 wrote:
Vydra and deeney, like rush and dalglish, lineker and Beardsley, bull and Mutch, furlong and dyer and Harford and stein
Cannon & Ball, Ant & Dec, Bill & Ben.................
............
[quote][p][bold]only5foot3[/bold] wrote: Vydra and deeney, like rush and dalglish, lineker and Beardsley, bull and Mutch, furlong and dyer and Harford and stein[/p][/quote]Cannon & Ball, Ant & Dec, Bill & Ben................. ............ SAHornet
  • Score: 2

10:25pm Fri 27 Jun 14

matey_from_brighton says...

Roger UK you are nearly as popular as Vydra stories in themselves always provoking lots of response. You may be right that Zola had chances to get us promoted but to say he his a failure is a bit ridiculous given that he started with over 40 players plus an agenda to sift through them all (which could only be done during the early league games) and to then mould us into a team that came so close to promotion is a pretty immense achievement in its own right. Presumably Pearson at Leicester was an even bigger "loser". We didn't get £200 million reward but as a fan which we on this board are we got these memories:

Huddersfield home with the goal of the season and a 4-0 win
Leeds away 6-1
Forest away 3-0
Birmingham away 4-0
Brighton away 3-1
Hull away 1-0 (when we had to win to keep auto promotion alive)
The Leicester matches
A record number of away wins

I wonder if Cardiff/Hull/Palace fans had so many memorable games to look back on from their season or if they all recall the money their club have come into with such fondness.

Roger - perhaps you could enlighten us on which point in the season you realised Zola was a loser and who you would have replaced him with? For that matter why not give us your view on the coming season without the benefits of hindsight so that we can know whether we have wasted our money buying another "clappers" season ticket.
Roger UK you are nearly as popular as Vydra stories in themselves always provoking lots of response. You may be right that Zola had chances to get us promoted but to say he his a failure is a bit ridiculous given that he started with over 40 players plus an agenda to sift through them all (which could only be done during the early league games) and to then mould us into a team that came so close to promotion is a pretty immense achievement in its own right. Presumably Pearson at Leicester was an even bigger "loser". We didn't get £200 million reward but as a fan which we on this board are we got these memories: Huddersfield home with the goal of the season and a 4-0 win Leeds away 6-1 Forest away 3-0 Birmingham away 4-0 Brighton away 3-1 Hull away 1-0 (when we had to win to keep auto promotion alive) The Leicester matches A record number of away wins I wonder if Cardiff/Hull/Palace fans had so many memorable games to look back on from their season or if they all recall the money their club have come into with such fondness. Roger - perhaps you could enlighten us on which point in the season you realised Zola was a loser and who you would have replaced him with? For that matter why not give us your view on the coming season without the benefits of hindsight so that we can know whether we have wasted our money buying another "clappers" season ticket. matey_from_brighton
  • Score: 13

10:29pm Fri 27 Jun 14

exeterhornet says...

Bristolhornet, you and I have crossed swords in the past but I totally agree with your defense of Zola. I, for one, will forever be grateful for the quality of football witness edge in his first season. It literally was 'like watching Brazil' and I will be grateful to my final days for such enthrall ing entertainment.
Bristolhornet, you and I have crossed swords in the past but I totally agree with your defense of Zola. I, for one, will forever be grateful for the quality of football witness edge in his first season. It literally was 'like watching Brazil' and I will be grateful to my final days for such enthrall ing entertainment. exeterhornet
  • Score: 9

10:30pm Fri 27 Jun 14

exeterhornet says...

Bloody keypad, and fat fingers!
Bloody keypad, and fat fingers! exeterhornet
  • Score: 2

10:37pm Fri 27 Jun 14

AlanMayeshasscored says...

As I see it the only problem with Zola being in charge was that he needed help. When we had the Assistant from Juventus things were great, he obviously didn't get on with Nani and was shown the door.
In came the inexpirenced bloke from Zolas village and things went downhill from there.
If we had kept Zola and gave him a defensive coach such as Bepe we would be in a much better position. I fear that the defensive side of Bepe will raise it's head again this year, hope he doesn't rotate Troy and MV and only play one up front,, especially away from home.
As I see it the only problem with Zola being in charge was that he needed help. When we had the Assistant from Juventus things were great, he obviously didn't get on with Nani and was shown the door. In came the inexpirenced bloke from Zolas village and things went downhill from there. If we had kept Zola and gave him a defensive coach such as Bepe we would be in a much better position. I fear that the defensive side of Bepe will raise it's head again this year, hope he doesn't rotate Troy and MV and only play one up front,, especially away from home. AlanMayeshasscored
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Fri 27 Jun 14

soulfulhornet says...

Look don't wish to defend rogeruk, but our aim was promotion and we did not acheive that, but the quality of the football..wow....

Before the Pozzo revoultion, what would have been our ambition with Sean and Baz. Survival in the Championship at best, a club at all at worst.

Was it the worst we could expect 3rd, a play-off final and esthetically the best football ever played by a Watford team (arguably). What would you settle for?

Zola, thank you for some of if not the best football ever at the Vic. Perspective please. In this division we acheived more under GT twice and Aidy once. So 2012/13 was the 4th most successful this club has experienced at this level ever. Failure my foot.
Look don't wish to defend rogeruk, but our aim was promotion and we did not acheive that, but the quality of the football..wow.... Before the Pozzo revoultion, what would have been our ambition with Sean and Baz. Survival in the Championship at best, a club at all at worst. Was it the worst we could expect 3rd, a play-off final and esthetically the best football ever played by a Watford team (arguably). What would you settle for? Zola, thank you for some of if not the best football ever at the Vic. Perspective please. In this division we acheived more under GT twice and Aidy once. So 2012/13 was the 4th most successful this club has experienced at this level ever. Failure my foot. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 2

10:52pm Fri 27 Jun 14

tjohn says...

I'm getting really fed up with reading posts where two idiots are just slagging each other off. For god's sake go onto facebook and leave the rest of us alone to talk sensibly about our love for OUR team.
I'm getting really fed up with reading posts where two idiots are just slagging each other off. For god's sake go onto facebook and leave the rest of us alone to talk sensibly about our love for OUR team. tjohn
  • Score: 9

8:35am Sat 28 Jun 14

bristol hornet says...

exeterhornet wrote:
Bristolhornet, you and I have crossed swords in the past but I totally agree with your defense of Zola. I, for one, will forever be grateful for the quality of football witness edge in his first season. It literally was 'like watching Brazil' and I will be grateful to my final days for such enthrall ing entertainment.
I hope we agree on more things in the future young man, as we are both from the dear old west country.

Zola brought great joy to thousands of us, and although he tailed off badly in the end, that so-near promo season ranks up there with the best.

And with Vydra and Deeney back together, the best attacking duo in the division by a mile now, we all have a lot to look forward to in a couple of months. Can't wait!!
[quote][p][bold]exeterhornet[/bold] wrote: Bristolhornet, you and I have crossed swords in the past but I totally agree with your defense of Zola. I, for one, will forever be grateful for the quality of football witness edge in his first season. It literally was 'like watching Brazil' and I will be grateful to my final days for such enthrall ing entertainment.[/p][/quote]I hope we agree on more things in the future young man, as we are both from the dear old west country. Zola brought great joy to thousands of us, and although he tailed off badly in the end, that so-near promo season ranks up there with the best. And with Vydra and Deeney back together, the best attacking duo in the division by a mile now, we all have a lot to look forward to in a couple of months. Can't wait!! bristol hornet
  • Score: 4

10:29am Sat 28 Jun 14

Pawlettfan says...

matey_from_brighton wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
bushey tales wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.
Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.
Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts.

Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.
Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway).
Endean, Luther & MV notwithstanding, MoJo was the best striker I've seen in a Watford jersey. I hardly ever saw him pull a shot wide of the goal - it was always on target, forcing the keeper to save it. It was just a pity his off-pitch personality didn't match his footballing ability - despite GT's best efforts to pull him on the straight and narrow. In the end it was a mercy to us he left.
[quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.[/p][/quote]Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.[/p][/quote]Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts. Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.[/p][/quote]Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway).[/p][/quote]Endean, Luther & MV notwithstanding, MoJo was the best striker I've seen in a Watford jersey. I hardly ever saw him pull a shot wide of the goal - it was always on target, forcing the keeper to save it. It was just a pity his off-pitch personality didn't match his footballing ability - despite GT's best efforts to pull him on the straight and narrow. In the end it was a mercy to us he left. Pawlettfan
  • Score: 0

11:10am Sat 28 Jun 14

londomollari says...

For me---just---Mo was the better striker. Inside the area he was electric. But they were different types of player with different strengths.
Didn't see Holton, but those who did told me he was, again, a different type of striker---he would strike the ball with such force that, very often, the keeper would not have a chance to move.
For me---just---Mo was the better striker. Inside the area he was electric. But they were different types of player with different strengths. Didn't see Holton, but those who did told me he was, again, a different type of striker---he would strike the ball with such force that, very often, the keeper would not have a chance to move. londomollari
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Harry's Bar says...

rogeruk wrote:
Its been fun must do this again sometime but not for a while, too busy!

Have to go now.

Now I've gone the sheeple clappers can be really brave!
Too busy or lost heart when Cornet and Demerit didn't come to your rescue?
[quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Its been fun must do this again sometime but not for a while, too busy! Have to go now. Now I've gone the sheeple clappers can be really brave![/p][/quote]Too busy or lost heart when Cornet and Demerit didn't come to your rescue? Harry's Bar
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Sat 28 Jun 14

hornetsteve says...

Bush Hornet wrote:
Ok so they had instability last season but I've no idea why west brom couldn't use him properly. Their fans could see what a talent he is. Anyway thank you WBA because your failure to utilise him has worked out for us.

Personally I'd like to see Troy offered the captaincy and the assurance that he will stay and get us promoted. He is such an important figure for the club now that if the transfer window closes and he's still with us that is worthy of just as much celebration as Vydra's return.

By the way, welcome home Matej.
spot on bush horn lets just hope troy stays, the vydra+deeney striker partnerships probably one of the best ever seen at vicarage road perhaps troy might just see that the return of vydra can only benfit him if he stays yes make him captain now!! come on pozzos give him a new improved contract he's worth it you'll get a return on your investment £120million premership football COYH
[quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Ok so they had instability last season but I've no idea why west brom couldn't use him properly. Their fans could see what a talent he is. Anyway thank you WBA because your failure to utilise him has worked out for us. Personally I'd like to see Troy offered the captaincy and the assurance that he will stay and get us promoted. He is such an important figure for the club now that if the transfer window closes and he's still with us that is worthy of just as much celebration as Vydra's return. By the way, welcome home Matej.[/p][/quote]spot on bush horn lets just hope troy stays, the vydra+deeney striker partnerships probably one of the best ever seen at vicarage road perhaps troy might just see that the return of vydra can only benfit him if he stays yes make him captain now!! come on pozzos give him a new improved contract he's worth it you'll get a return on your investment £120million premership football COYH hornetsteve
  • Score: 4

5:01pm Sat 28 Jun 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

As with most arguments, I think the true resolution to rogeruk vs the world is somewhere in the middle...

I think rogeruk has a point that Zola caused us a lot of unnecessary grief. I mean, if Sean Dyche the year before managed to get us to twelfth with a front line of Garner and Iwelumo, it's unbelievable that Zola didn't get us promoted with the team he had. I don't think anyone understood why he saw the need to rest the whole team at once rather than in a cycle, and I was frequently disappointed at his refusal to shout or get angry at the team if they weren't pulling their weight.

And of course, with regard to this year, Zola showed that he didn't really have any plan B. I remember reading an article over the summer about how Zola had been training the team to break down defences in new ways to give us more versatility going forward - and I really didn't see any of it. We were blunt under Zola last year, even in September when everyone harangued me for complaining while we were getting away with it. Zola was a good impact manager - the same at West Ham - but couldn't deliver in his second season.

On the other hand, he did take a huge squad of unfamiliar players and transform them into a 'never say die' team that scored more than any other in the football league, and ultimately, we were fairly unlucky not to get promoted that season. The 3-5-2 was devastating for a while, and it took a whole year for the teams around us to suss out how to beat it. And even then they needed the help of us losing multiple key players, and our player of the season injured all year, in order to neutralise it. Few managers would have had that level of original creativity and inspiration, or indeed the daring to give it a try, and so our first season surely would not have been as exciting.

Was it to a large extent Zola's fault that we didn't get promoted in 2012/13? I have little doubt. But it was also him to a large part that made it possible in the first place.
As with most arguments, I think the true resolution to rogeruk vs the world is somewhere in the middle... I think rogeruk has a point that Zola caused us a lot of unnecessary grief. I mean, if Sean Dyche the year before managed to get us to twelfth with a front line of Garner and Iwelumo, it's unbelievable that Zola didn't get us promoted with the team he had. I don't think anyone understood why he saw the need to rest the whole team at once rather than in a cycle, and I was frequently disappointed at his refusal to shout or get angry at the team if they weren't pulling their weight. And of course, with regard to this year, Zola showed that he didn't really have any plan B. I remember reading an article over the summer about how Zola had been training the team to break down defences in new ways to give us more versatility going forward - and I really didn't see any of it. We were blunt under Zola last year, even in September when everyone harangued me for complaining while we were getting away with it. Zola was a good impact manager - the same at West Ham - but couldn't deliver in his second season. On the other hand, he did take a huge squad of unfamiliar players and transform them into a 'never say die' team that scored more than any other in the football league, and ultimately, we were fairly unlucky not to get promoted that season. The 3-5-2 was devastating for a while, and it took a whole year for the teams around us to suss out how to beat it. And even then they needed the help of us losing multiple key players, and our player of the season injured all year, in order to neutralise it. Few managers would have had that level of original creativity and inspiration, or indeed the daring to give it a try, and so our first season surely would not have been as exciting. Was it to a large extent Zola's fault that we didn't get promoted in 2012/13? I have little doubt. But it was also him to a large part that made it possible in the first place. The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 6

6:11pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Bush Hornet says...

hornetsteve wrote:
Bush Hornet wrote:
Ok so they had instability last season but I've no idea why west brom couldn't use him properly. Their fans could see what a talent he is. Anyway thank you WBA because your failure to utilise him has worked out for us.

Personally I'd like to see Troy offered the captaincy and the assurance that he will stay and get us promoted. He is such an important figure for the club now that if the transfer window closes and he's still with us that is worthy of just as much celebration as Vydra's return.

By the way, welcome home Matej.
spot on bush horn lets just hope troy stays, the vydra+deeney striker partnerships probably one of the best ever seen at vicarage road perhaps troy might just see that the return of vydra can only benfit him if he stays yes make him captain now!! come on pozzos give him a new improved contract he's worth it you'll get a return on your investment £120million premership football COYH
I've just seen from Sky that West Brom want Troy now! Oh the irony. Perhaps the prodigal son who has now returned to the fold could give Troy a little insight about what an opportunity that is.
[quote][p][bold]hornetsteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bush Hornet[/bold] wrote: Ok so they had instability last season but I've no idea why west brom couldn't use him properly. Their fans could see what a talent he is. Anyway thank you WBA because your failure to utilise him has worked out for us. Personally I'd like to see Troy offered the captaincy and the assurance that he will stay and get us promoted. He is such an important figure for the club now that if the transfer window closes and he's still with us that is worthy of just as much celebration as Vydra's return. By the way, welcome home Matej.[/p][/quote]spot on bush horn lets just hope troy stays, the vydra+deeney striker partnerships probably one of the best ever seen at vicarage road perhaps troy might just see that the return of vydra can only benfit him if he stays yes make him captain now!! come on pozzos give him a new improved contract he's worth it you'll get a return on your investment £120million premership football COYH[/p][/quote]I've just seen from Sky that West Brom want Troy now! Oh the irony. Perhaps the prodigal son who has now returned to the fold could give Troy a little insight about what an opportunity that is. Bush Hornet
  • Score: 4

10:45pm Sat 28 Jun 14

londomollari says...

The Skeptical Optimist wrote:
As with most arguments, I think the true resolution to rogeruk vs the world is somewhere in the middle...

I think rogeruk has a point that Zola caused us a lot of unnecessary grief. I mean, if Sean Dyche the year before managed to get us to twelfth with a front line of Garner and Iwelumo, it's unbelievable that Zola didn't get us promoted with the team he had. I don't think anyone understood why he saw the need to rest the whole team at once rather than in a cycle, and I was frequently disappointed at his refusal to shout or get angry at the team if they weren't pulling their weight.

And of course, with regard to this year, Zola showed that he didn't really have any plan B. I remember reading an article over the summer about how Zola had been training the team to break down defences in new ways to give us more versatility going forward - and I really didn't see any of it. We were blunt under Zola last year, even in September when everyone harangued me for complaining while we were getting away with it. Zola was a good impact manager - the same at West Ham - but couldn't deliver in his second season.

On the other hand, he did take a huge squad of unfamiliar players and transform them into a 'never say die' team that scored more than any other in the football league, and ultimately, we were fairly unlucky not to get promoted that season. The 3-5-2 was devastating for a while, and it took a whole year for the teams around us to suss out how to beat it. And even then they needed the help of us losing multiple key players, and our player of the season injured all year, in order to neutralise it. Few managers would have had that level of original creativity and inspiration, or indeed the daring to give it a try, and so our first season surely would not have been as exciting.

Was it to a large extent Zola's fault that we didn't get promoted in 2012/13? I have little doubt. But it was also him to a large part that made it possible in the first place.
An excellent synopsis of Zola. I know I saw things starting to go wrong a month or two before the play-offs---but I was guilty of disregarding it. Kudos to Zola for getting us to the play-off final and for the style of football. Sadly, as stated, he just didn't seem to be able to modify the style or revert to plan B. He made the wrong coaching appointment, too.
[quote][p][bold]The Skeptical Optimist[/bold] wrote: As with most arguments, I think the true resolution to rogeruk vs the world is somewhere in the middle... I think rogeruk has a point that Zola caused us a lot of unnecessary grief. I mean, if Sean Dyche the year before managed to get us to twelfth with a front line of Garner and Iwelumo, it's unbelievable that Zola didn't get us promoted with the team he had. I don't think anyone understood why he saw the need to rest the whole team at once rather than in a cycle, and I was frequently disappointed at his refusal to shout or get angry at the team if they weren't pulling their weight. And of course, with regard to this year, Zola showed that he didn't really have any plan B. I remember reading an article over the summer about how Zola had been training the team to break down defences in new ways to give us more versatility going forward - and I really didn't see any of it. We were blunt under Zola last year, even in September when everyone harangued me for complaining while we were getting away with it. Zola was a good impact manager - the same at West Ham - but couldn't deliver in his second season. On the other hand, he did take a huge squad of unfamiliar players and transform them into a 'never say die' team that scored more than any other in the football league, and ultimately, we were fairly unlucky not to get promoted that season. The 3-5-2 was devastating for a while, and it took a whole year for the teams around us to suss out how to beat it. And even then they needed the help of us losing multiple key players, and our player of the season injured all year, in order to neutralise it. Few managers would have had that level of original creativity and inspiration, or indeed the daring to give it a try, and so our first season surely would not have been as exciting. Was it to a large extent Zola's fault that we didn't get promoted in 2012/13? I have little doubt. But it was also him to a large part that made it possible in the first place.[/p][/quote]An excellent synopsis of Zola. I know I saw things starting to go wrong a month or two before the play-offs---but I was guilty of disregarding it. Kudos to Zola for getting us to the play-off final and for the style of football. Sadly, as stated, he just didn't seem to be able to modify the style or revert to plan B. He made the wrong coaching appointment, too. londomollari
  • Score: 2

6:53am Sun 29 Jun 14

Tonytheaceman says...

Mickey Quinn, not so thin wrote:
At only 22 he's still young enough to be in serious demand at the end of this season if he bangs in 15-20 goals. Last season was wasted and another season with just a handful of appearances and goals in a top league wouldn't help his career or his value to the Pozzos. Just hope Troy stays too.
Yeh, but this might open the gates to sell Troy - the POZZO business model working at it's best and the profits go back to Udinese?
[quote][p][bold]Mickey Quinn, not so thin[/bold] wrote: At only 22 he's still young enough to be in serious demand at the end of this season if he bangs in 15-20 goals. Last season was wasted and another season with just a handful of appearances and goals in a top league wouldn't help his career or his value to the Pozzos. Just hope Troy stays too.[/p][/quote]Yeh, but this might open the gates to sell Troy - the POZZO business model working at it's best and the profits go back to Udinese? Tonytheaceman
  • Score: -7

8:55am Sun 29 Jun 14

SAHornet says...

If Troy does go, I can still see the likes of Danny Graham working well with Vydra.
If Troy does go, I can still see the likes of Danny Graham working well with Vydra. SAHornet
  • Score: 4

10:18pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Nick El Greco says...

OliverF1976 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.?

He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation).

Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points.

What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager?

You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results.

I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?
Thanks to Zola we witnessed the best football ever played at Watford. You could point at various reasons for our failure to get automatic prmotion such as stone wall penalties not given at Peterborough and Millwall to name just two. I suppose Zola is to blame for the Leeds freak show with Almunia's injury in the warm up and the disgusting challenge on Bond. Thanks to Zola we managed to attract top players who wanted to play for him and us. I would rather thank Zola for showing us how football can be played and for getting us into third and that amazing Leicester game that will live in the memory of every true and passionate Watford supporter. Sadly it didn't work out but there is one thing Zola was not and that is a disaster.
The best football ever played at Vicarage Road was under GT when we came runners up in the top flight behind Liverpool, got to Europe and reached the cup final. Those were the times when we not only played great football but actually achieved something. Winning a few games by big margins but not going up does not qualify Zola as a success. His constant meddling with the team undoubtedly cost us in the end, no matter how entertaining the football might have been
[quote][p][bold]OliverF1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.[/p][/quote]I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.? He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation). Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points. What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager? You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results. I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?[/p][/quote]Thanks to Zola we witnessed the best football ever played at Watford. You could point at various reasons for our failure to get automatic prmotion such as stone wall penalties not given at Peterborough and Millwall to name just two. I suppose Zola is to blame for the Leeds freak show with Almunia's injury in the warm up and the disgusting challenge on Bond. Thanks to Zola we managed to attract top players who wanted to play for him and us. I would rather thank Zola for showing us how football can be played and for getting us into third and that amazing Leicester game that will live in the memory of every true and passionate Watford supporter. Sadly it didn't work out but there is one thing Zola was not and that is a disaster.[/p][/quote]The best football ever played at Vicarage Road was under GT when we came runners up in the top flight behind Liverpool, got to Europe and reached the cup final. Those were the times when we not only played great football but actually achieved something. Winning a few games by big margins but not going up does not qualify Zola as a success. His constant meddling with the team undoubtedly cost us in the end, no matter how entertaining the football might have been Nick El Greco
  • Score: -2

10:26pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Nick El Greco says...

Pawlettfan wrote:
matey_from_brighton wrote:
soulfulhornet wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
bushey tales wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.
I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.
Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.
Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts.

Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.
Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway).
Endean, Luther & MV notwithstanding, MoJo was the best striker I've seen in a Watford jersey. I hardly ever saw him pull a shot wide of the goal - it was always on target, forcing the keeper to save it. It was just a pity his off-pitch personality didn't match his footballing ability - despite GT's best efforts to pull him on the straight and narrow. In the end it was a mercy to us he left.
Night match away at West Ham. We went 1-0 down early on, then the MoJo show started. He ripped them to shreds and we won easily. He was unstoppable from anywhere,, not just straight down the middle, and could actually beat people witth the ball at his feet rather than just sprint past them.

With the ball at his feet and a defender in front of him, Vydra couldn't touch MoJo
[quote][p][bold]Pawlettfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matey_from_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulfulhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bushey tales[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: WBA completely u8sed him in the wrong way , often playing him on the right hand side and like most players that never get a run in a team how do they build a partnership with others ? I am so glad to have him back as he is without doubt the best one on one finisher ever to wear yellow.[/p][/quote]I assume, Jason, you're in the first flush of youth. In which case, good for you. However in terms of the finest one-on-one finisher ever to wear the shirt, I have just two words for you - 'Maurice' and 'Johnston.' Rest assured, should Vydra this season match Mo's ability in front of goal, there'll be no need for another trip to Wembley. We'll be up automatically.[/p][/quote]Sorry to upset you busheytales but I was 13 when Mo Johnstone was playing for us. Yes indeed a great goalscorer but not in same league as Vydra on a one on one situation. One thing they have in common thou is they both didn't turn up when Watford played at Wembley , vydra was injured and johnstone probably a little tipsy.[/p][/quote]Jason, not sure about that mate. I was ten years older than you when Mo was at the Vic (still am). I recall Mo's overhead v Arsenal (84/85) and so many other great strikes. Mo not committed (unlike Luther), but much like Vydra in terms of ratio of goals to attempts. Close run thing between Matej and Mo. Mo was better in the 6 yard box. Running onto through balls like Matej v Brighton away not so sure. But then again under GT and Zola we played different types of football. Love them both.[/p][/quote]Seen both and not sure I could split them as neither misses/missed many on one v ones. Mo J though used to take the ball round the keeper and roll it into the empty net, which is something you don't see that often nowadays with the athleticism and sheer size of goalkeepers these days which is always good to see (for me anyway).[/p][/quote]Endean, Luther & MV notwithstanding, MoJo was the best striker I've seen in a Watford jersey. I hardly ever saw him pull a shot wide of the goal - it was always on target, forcing the keeper to save it. It was just a pity his off-pitch personality didn't match his footballing ability - despite GT's best efforts to pull him on the straight and narrow. In the end it was a mercy to us he left.[/p][/quote]Night match away at West Ham. We went 1-0 down early on, then the MoJo show started. He ripped them to shreds and we won easily. He was unstoppable from anywhere,, not just straight down the middle, and could actually beat people witth the ball at his feet rather than just sprint past them. With the ball at his feet and a defender in front of him, Vydra couldn't touch MoJo Nick El Greco
  • Score: 0

10:35pm Sun 29 Jun 14

Nick El Greco says...

neilhorn wrote:
It would be surprising if Troy is still herre by August anyway. The pozzos sell at optimum, Deeney is at optimum right now. A realistic offer from a Prem Club (£8m) and he's gone. And I'm fine with that, I'd love to keep him but would wish him well
Antonio Di Natale has been at Udine for 10 years. He will be 37 in October and he is still there. When would be the optimum time to sell him?
[quote][p][bold]neilhorn[/bold] wrote: It would be surprising if Troy is still herre by August anyway. The pozzos sell at optimum, Deeney is at optimum right now. A realistic offer from a Prem Club (£8m) and he's gone. And I'm fine with that, I'd love to keep him but would wish him well[/p][/quote]Antonio Di Natale has been at Udine for 10 years. He will be 37 in October and he is still there. When would be the optimum time to sell him? Nick El Greco
  • Score: 2

8:57am Mon 30 Jun 14

Harry's Bar says...

Nick El Greco wrote:
OliverF1976 wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Harry's Bar wrote:
rogeruk wrote:
Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14:

Crystal Palace Hull City
Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444
Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108
Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415
Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817
Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850
Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634


Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302
Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000

Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000

However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of

2013/2014 £73,207,049
2014/2015 £62,000,000
4 years £64,000,000

Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos.

Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy!

It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential.

I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.
It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.
I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.?

He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation).

Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points.

What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager?

You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results.

I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?
Thanks to Zola we witnessed the best football ever played at Watford. You could point at various reasons for our failure to get automatic prmotion such as stone wall penalties not given at Peterborough and Millwall to name just two. I suppose Zola is to blame for the Leeds freak show with Almunia's injury in the warm up and the disgusting challenge on Bond. Thanks to Zola we managed to attract top players who wanted to play for him and us. I would rather thank Zola for showing us how football can be played and for getting us into third and that amazing Leicester game that will live in the memory of every true and passionate Watford supporter. Sadly it didn't work out but there is one thing Zola was not and that is a disaster.
The best football ever played at Vicarage Road was under GT when we came runners up in the top flight behind Liverpool, got to Europe and reached the cup final. Those were the times when we not only played great football but actually achieved something. Winning a few games by big margins but not going up does not qualify Zola as a success. His constant meddling with the team undoubtedly cost us in the end, no matter how entertaining the football might have been
I suppose it depends on your definition of "great football". The Taylor teams were certainly mighty effective and brought us great success.but it was quite direct, it wasn't always a thing of beauty. At times last season we saw the best "passing" football, maybe not the most successful football. I think that'a what people are saying.
[quote][p][bold]Nick El Greco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OliverF1976[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry's Bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogeruk[/bold] wrote: Actually Frank, your premier payments are way under, Here are the official figures for season 2013/14: Crystal Palace Hull City Equal Share £21,631,444 £21,631,444 Facility fees £8,648,108 £6,648,108 Merit Payment £12,360,830 £6,180,415 Overseas TV £26,295, 817 £26,295,817 Central Commercial £4, 270,850 £4,270,850 Total: £73,207,049 £67,026,634 Cardiff got a total of £62,082,302 Cardiff get 4 yrs £64,000,000 Cardiff for 1 seasons in premier league get £126,000 However, Crystal Palace if they relegated in 2nd Season will get a minimum of 2013/2014 £73,207,049 2014/2015 £62,000,000 4 years £64,000,000 Total About £200,000,000 (£200 million) assuming a worse case scenario they finish last,which I am sure they won't. These are massive figures for the Pozzos. Looking at these figures,just shows getting promotion what a disaster Zola was, he cost the club, with 2 bites at the cherry so to speak.. I think the Pozzos went easy on him, too easy! It has occurred to me Udinese fans will not be happy if Watford got promoted in 2013/2014 it would have made watford by far the biggest club with the best attendances and finance together with massive potential. I can still not take on board why nearly all fans on here were not as frustrated as I was and a few others, they just shirked it off with "but we got a new stand"! I think many fans set their sites incredibly low a with little or no ambition.[/p][/quote]It's very unfair of you say Zola was a disaster and cost the Club.[/p][/quote]I am unfair, why? How am I being unfair? How can you possibly defend him what are the reasons which you don't give.? He was an unmitigated disaster for Watford fc, not only for throwing away two golden opportunities to get promoted, ( almost the entire list of championship managers would have succeeded in that situation). Some of his decisions; for example changing 6 players at a time, he literally threw away points, only one or two points more were needed to get promoted. He was almost entirely responsible for the following miserable season and a total of 60 points. What is Zola doing now? Don't you think following West ham and watford, the football world have made their conclusions on his ability as a manager? You do understand Football like everything is a business and all Directors, MDs, and chairmen get rewarded or fired on their results. I have given you and comprehensive reasons for my opinion, can you do the same?[/p][/quote]Thanks to Zola we witnessed the best football ever played at Watford. You could point at various reasons for our failure to get automatic prmotion such as stone wall penalties not given at Peterborough and Millwall to name just two. I suppose Zola is to blame for the Leeds freak show with Almunia's injury in the warm up and the disgusting challenge on Bond. Thanks to Zola we managed to attract top players who wanted to play for him and us. I would rather thank Zola for showing us how football can be played and for getting us into third and that amazing Leicester game that will live in the memory of every true and passionate Watford supporter. Sadly it didn't work out but there is one thing Zola was not and that is a disaster.[/p][/quote]The best football ever played at Vicarage Road was under GT when we came runners up in the top flight behind Liverpool, got to Europe and reached the cup final. Those were the times when we not only played great football but actually achieved something. Winning a few games by big margins but not going up does not qualify Zola as a success. His constant meddling with the team undoubtedly cost us in the end, no matter how entertaining the football might have been[/p][/quote]I suppose it depends on your definition of "great football". The Taylor teams were certainly mighty effective and brought us great success.but it was quite direct, it wasn't always a thing of beauty. At times last season we saw the best "passing" football, maybe not the most successful football. I think that'a what people are saying. Harry's Bar
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