Watford's Beppe Sannino downplays Lloyd Dyer's reaction and dressing room unrest

Sannino downplays Dyer reaction and dressing room unrest

Sannino downplays Dyer reaction and dressing room unrest

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Beppe Sannino claims Lloyd Dyer’s angry reaction following his goal tonight was “normal” and downplayed the suggestion some of his squad are unhappy with him.

Dyer rejected the chance to play Premier League football with Leicester City in favour of a longer contract at Watford.

However, Dyer – arguably the best winger in the Championship last season – has yet to start a league match for his new club, being limited to three substitute appearances, with his only start coming in the League Cup.

Dyer scored against Stevenage last Tuesday and was one of the Golden Boys’ best players at Norwich City on Saturday following his introduction at half-time.

But the 31-year-old was left on the bench at Rotherham United tonight and when he scored after coming on, the former MK Dons man ran halfway across the pitch and shouted angrily at the Watford bench, seemingly in the direction of his head coach.

Sannino claimed: “I think he was happy but a player who is on the bench and comes on has that reaction. This behaviour is normal.

“I was a player in the past and I know that is normal. The important thing is that we go back to Watford with the three points.”

He continued: “I didn’t hear what he said because I was too far away. I didn’t see it to be honest. I speak about it because you asked the question.

“I was watching our fans because our fans are fantastic.”

The Watford Observer understands several first team players are unhappy with Sannino and it isn’t only because of a lack of game time.

Sannino was asked if the players are happy and if the dressing room is united after the 2-0 victory at Rotherham.

He replied: “I believe that in all dressing rooms the atmosphere is very good when you win. We lost one match and that means there is a little sadness, but that is normal.

“Watford has a very big squad, has a big group and has big players.”

“This job [keeping everyone happy] is not easy, if you knew that you wouldn’t ask me this question,” Sannino said.

“For me it would be fantastic if I could put all my players on the pitch. But I can only pick 11 and I am paid to pick those players. I pick for the club, my squad and the fans.

“Tonight, to have 1,100 fans here, is very important. Now is the moment for me to go and relax.”

Read why Sannino believes his selection at Rotherham was justified here.

And here Dyer discusses his move to Watford.

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11:56pm Tue 19 Aug 14

GarstonHorn says...

Hope he now starts Dyer on Saturday, he's going to be massively fired up
Hope he now starts Dyer on Saturday, he's going to be massively fired up GarstonHorn
  • Score: 42

11:58pm Tue 19 Aug 14

D.unstable says...

Well done Frank, you can but ask the questions. Ultimately time will tell.
Well done Frank, you can but ask the questions. Ultimately time will tell. D.unstable
  • Score: 21

12:02am Wed 20 Aug 14

gary pine says...

Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong
Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong gary pine
  • Score: -81

12:06am Wed 20 Aug 14

duckfan10 says...

6 points from 3 games and you want to fire the coach! Let's wait and see - there is no fire to put out at the moment.
6 points from 3 games and you want to fire the coach! Let's wait and see - there is no fire to put out at the moment. duckfan10
  • Score: 73

12:14am Wed 20 Aug 14

Tomsyboy says...

gary pine wrote:
Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong
He turned our freefall season around last year and has got a huge squad with promotion in sight with big players who all wanna play. How could u possibly want him out you fool! Malkey is a traitor and is not welcome back ere. Of course there's gonna be tension in the dressing room with that many players so get real. U dont know how good us fans have it!
[quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong[/p][/quote]He turned our freefall season around last year and has got a huge squad with promotion in sight with big players who all wanna play. How could u possibly want him out you fool! Malkey is a traitor and is not welcome back ere. Of course there's gonna be tension in the dressing room with that many players so get real. U dont know how good us fans have it! Tomsyboy
  • Score: 40

12:18am Wed 20 Aug 14

The Skeptical Optimist says...

You can understand Dyer's frustration...

I mean, fair enough, he doesn't really fit a 3-5-2 formation because he's not a naturally defensive player.

But when we start a game playing 4-4-2 - why on Earth are Fabbrini and Anya starting over him? Like this article said, last season Dyer was arguably the best winger in the Championship. Meanwhile Anya's just recovered from and injury and the less said about Fabbrini last season the better...

If you were Dyer, wouldn't you be a bit miffed?

Although seriously, get off Sannino's back. So far he's done nothing so bad as to justify putting his job in jeopardy...
You can understand Dyer's frustration... I mean, fair enough, he doesn't really fit a 3-5-2 formation because he's not a naturally defensive player. But when we start a game playing 4-4-2 - why on Earth are Fabbrini and Anya starting over him? Like this article said, last season Dyer was arguably the best winger in the Championship. Meanwhile Anya's just recovered from and injury and the less said about Fabbrini last season the better... If you were Dyer, wouldn't you be a bit miffed? Although seriously, get off Sannino's back. So far he's done nothing so bad as to justify putting his job in jeopardy... The Skeptical Optimist
  • Score: 62

1:53am Wed 20 Aug 14

Meadey39 says...

The best way to show a manager is by putting in performances week in week out. With a large squad there will always be unrest, hopefully because they all want to play. I just hope we can have a settled core of the side. Biggest problem at start of last year was chopping and changing , leaving out key players. Keep the players in form in the side, only change through injury and lack of form.
The best way to show a manager is by putting in performances week in week out. With a large squad there will always be unrest, hopefully because they all want to play. I just hope we can have a settled core of the side. Biggest problem at start of last year was chopping and changing , leaving out key players. Keep the players in form in the side, only change through injury and lack of form. Meadey39
  • Score: 20

1:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

SJM...laugh at luton says...

Tomsyboy wrote:
gary pine wrote:
Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong
He turned our freefall season around last year and has got a huge squad with promotion in sight with big players who all wanna play. How could u possibly want him out you fool! Malkey is a traitor and is not welcome back ere. Of course there's gonna be tension in the dressing room with that many players so get real. U dont know how good us fans have it!
No he didn't mate
[quote][p][bold]Tomsyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong[/p][/quote]He turned our freefall season around last year and has got a huge squad with promotion in sight with big players who all wanna play. How could u possibly want him out you fool! Malkey is a traitor and is not welcome back ere. Of course there's gonna be tension in the dressing room with that many players so get real. U dont know how good us fans have it![/p][/quote]No he didn't mate SJM...laugh at luton
  • Score: -18

6:44am Wed 20 Aug 14

endean2 says...

Meadey39 wrote:
The best way to show a manager is by putting in performances week in week out. With a large squad there will always be unrest, hopefully because they all want to play. I just hope we can have a settled core of the side. Biggest problem at start of last year was chopping and changing , leaving out key players. Keep the players in form in the side, only change through injury and lack of form.
Fine sentiments there and I would not disagree with those comments.
However this PROBLEM is not going away unless it is properly faced.
That does not necessarily mean that Beppe is forced out however,
I believe that he needs help with possibly a new number 2 who
seriously understands this league and its players.

As has been said a hundred times on this site we have arguably the
best squad ever assembled, its how there led, trained and managed
that will decide this season.
[quote][p][bold]Meadey39[/bold] wrote: The best way to show a manager is by putting in performances week in week out. With a large squad there will always be unrest, hopefully because they all want to play. I just hope we can have a settled core of the side. Biggest problem at start of last year was chopping and changing , leaving out key players. Keep the players in form in the side, only change through injury and lack of form.[/p][/quote]Fine sentiments there and I would not disagree with those comments. However this PROBLEM is not going away unless it is properly faced. That does not necessarily mean that Beppe is forced out however, I believe that he needs help with possibly a new number 2 who seriously understands this league and its players. As has been said a hundred times on this site we have arguably the best squad ever assembled, its how there led, trained and managed that will decide this season. endean2
  • Score: 17

6:44am Wed 20 Aug 14

DuffmanWFC says...

I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts!
Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO!
Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too!
As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us!
Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan?
Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's?
Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior!
People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level!
How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days!
So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest!
I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray
Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts!
Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league!
COYH
I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts! Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO! Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too! As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us! Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan? Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's? Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior! People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level! How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days! So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest! I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts! Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league! COYH DuffmanWFC
  • Score: 168

7:00am Wed 20 Aug 14

lincoln horn says...

If the players are not happy then something needs to be addressed asap, no disrespect to RUFC but if we were away at Cardiff etc last evening then a stressed squad means no points. Dyer needs to be honest about his position so we can understand where he's coming from. It's a tough one if players are unhappy, it's not like you can just get rid of a load of players and usually comes down to the boss. I was there last evening and thought we played excellent after half time.
If the players are not happy then something needs to be addressed asap, no disrespect to RUFC but if we were away at Cardiff etc last evening then a stressed squad means no points. Dyer needs to be honest about his position so we can understand where he's coming from. It's a tough one if players are unhappy, it's not like you can just get rid of a load of players and usually comes down to the boss. I was there last evening and thought we played excellent after half time. lincoln horn
  • Score: 4

7:04am Wed 20 Aug 14

Watfordwes says...

It's a sad situation. Ultimately if the players do not like the manager then we won't go up.

I hate player power but unfortunately it is huge in football and appears to be a big issue in our club.

After the holiday dispute last year I thought it would be put to bed one way or the other, regrettably not it appears :-(
It's a sad situation. Ultimately if the players do not like the manager then we won't go up. I hate player power but unfortunately it is huge in football and appears to be a big issue in our club. After the holiday dispute last year I thought it would be put to bed one way or the other, regrettably not it appears :-( Watfordwes
  • Score: 16

7:10am Wed 20 Aug 14

lutondown says...

Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday.
We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC.
Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits.
Absolute tools and embarrassing
Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday. We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC. Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits. Absolute tools and embarrassing lutondown
  • Score: 51

7:16am Wed 20 Aug 14

RobboBTC says...

They always say if you gain an average of 2 points a game over a season you'll get promoted, we win our next 2 home games and we'll be ahead of that target (9 points from 4, 12 from 5). But people want Sannino out? We have players who are unhappy for not playing, thats positive in my view as clearly shows these individuals are desperate to play. So if we sack Sannino and bring in a new manager will that make everyone happy? He'll still be able to only pick 11 players and will have leave quality players out of the team/squad each week. For me it proves how good our squad is as we can make wholesale changes and still gain 3 points away from home. Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday with 3 of those away from home and 1 with 10 men must take its toll so why not rotate. Lets give the man in charge a chance. COYH.
They always say if you gain an average of 2 points a game over a season you'll get promoted, we win our next 2 home games and we'll be ahead of that target (9 points from 4, 12 from 5). But people want Sannino out? We have players who are unhappy for not playing, thats positive in my view as clearly shows these individuals are desperate to play. So if we sack Sannino and bring in a new manager will that make everyone happy? He'll still be able to only pick 11 players and will have leave quality players out of the team/squad each week. For me it proves how good our squad is as we can make wholesale changes and still gain 3 points away from home. Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday with 3 of those away from home and 1 with 10 men must take its toll so why not rotate. Lets give the man in charge a chance. COYH. RobboBTC
  • Score: 29

7:55am Wed 20 Aug 14

hornetsteve says...

GarstonHorn wrote:
Hope he now starts Dyer on Saturday, he's going to be massively fired up
why change a wining team yes I know we lost against Norwich but the sending off was the cause of that result!! sannino named an unchanged line up for that game on the back of a great all round performance against Bolton, feel for all the players that were droped last night none deserved to be should have been only one change hoban in !! but we got away with 3pts to go towards the 85 to 90points target that we will need to finish in the top six this season!! with just 3 games played it doesn't make good reading to hear there is unrest between some players & the head coach,last year zolas constent rotation cost him his job & us any chance of finishing in the top six so beppe take notice please don't change a wining line up time to build a togetherness, a wining run, a team spirit, ps it wasn't a good all round performance last night!! return to the Bolton line up(hoban in for ekstrand) please !! on saturdayCOYH
[quote][p][bold]GarstonHorn[/bold] wrote: Hope he now starts Dyer on Saturday, he's going to be massively fired up[/p][/quote]why change a wining team yes I know we lost against Norwich but the sending off was the cause of that result!! sannino named an unchanged line up for that game on the back of a great all round performance against Bolton, feel for all the players that were droped last night none deserved to be should have been only one change hoban in !! but we got away with 3pts to go towards the 85 to 90points target that we will need to finish in the top six this season!! with just 3 games played it doesn't make good reading to hear there is unrest between some players & the head coach,last year zolas constent rotation cost him his job & us any chance of finishing in the top six so beppe take notice please don't change a wining line up time to build a togetherness, a wining run, a team spirit, ps it wasn't a good all round performance last night!! return to the Bolton line up(hoban in for ekstrand) please !! on saturdayCOYH hornetsteve
  • Score: -13

8:06am Wed 20 Aug 14

hornetsteve says...

RobboBTC wrote:
They always say if you gain an average of 2 points a game over a season you'll get promoted, we win our next 2 home games and we'll be ahead of that target (9 points from 4, 12 from 5). But people want Sannino out? We have players who are unhappy for not playing, thats positive in my view as clearly shows these individuals are desperate to play. So if we sack Sannino and bring in a new manager will that make everyone happy? He'll still be able to only pick 11 players and will have leave quality players out of the team/squad each week. For me it proves how good our squad is as we can make wholesale changes and still gain 3 points away from home. Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday with 3 of those away from home and 1 with 10 men must take its toll so why not rotate. Lets give the man in charge a chance. COYH.
rotate from the bench if tiredness shows, at this stage of the season players should be able to play, Saturday-Tuesday example burnley last season1 I fear constent rotation will be our downfall again this is the championship not serieA,11
[quote][p][bold]RobboBTC[/bold] wrote: They always say if you gain an average of 2 points a game over a season you'll get promoted, we win our next 2 home games and we'll be ahead of that target (9 points from 4, 12 from 5). But people want Sannino out? We have players who are unhappy for not playing, thats positive in my view as clearly shows these individuals are desperate to play. So if we sack Sannino and bring in a new manager will that make everyone happy? He'll still be able to only pick 11 players and will have leave quality players out of the team/squad each week. For me it proves how good our squad is as we can make wholesale changes and still gain 3 points away from home. Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday with 3 of those away from home and 1 with 10 men must take its toll so why not rotate. Lets give the man in charge a chance. COYH.[/p][/quote]rotate from the bench if tiredness shows, at this stage of the season players should be able to play, Saturday-Tuesday example burnley last season1 I fear constent rotation will be our downfall again this is the championship not serieA,11 hornetsteve
  • Score: 8

8:19am Wed 20 Aug 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

Some people are reading way to much into this.
Sannino will still be determining his best starting eleven. Pre-season alone will not have determined this. He can pick from a strong squad of 24 players. That is no easy task as they will all want to play.
Dyer's reaction is therefore understandable, however scoring itself should be enough to make his point without the histrionics afterwards - that is just disrespectful.
Tozser, McGugan, Anya, Andrews, Forresteiri, Battochio, Murray, Pudil, Dyer, Fabbrini, Paredes, Ranegie will all want to start. Accepting Deeney & Vydra pick themselves who would you then choose? Not easy.
We are three games in people and have won two of them!
Whilst I believe the first half of the season will define Sannino's future, those calling for his head at this moment in time are insane. What on earth will be achieved by that?!
Some people are reading way to much into this. Sannino will still be determining his best starting eleven. Pre-season alone will not have determined this. He can pick from a strong squad of 24 players. That is no easy task as they will all want to play. Dyer's reaction is therefore understandable, however scoring itself should be enough to make his point without the histrionics afterwards - that is just disrespectful. Tozser, McGugan, Anya, Andrews, Forresteiri, Battochio, Murray, Pudil, Dyer, Fabbrini, Paredes, Ranegie will all want to start. Accepting Deeney & Vydra pick themselves who would you then choose? Not easy. We are three games in people and have won two of them! Whilst I believe the first half of the season will define Sannino's future, those calling for his head at this moment in time are insane. What on earth will be achieved by that?! The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 36

8:42am Wed 20 Aug 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

This is a very difficult situation for Sannino. They all want to play of course. But they can't. It is a big squad with big personalities, and that will come to the fore with the ones that are not playing regularly. I too heard that there was some unrest with the players. I know that Pudil and McGugan didn't even travel, and it was even suggested that Deeney wouldn't start, which obviously was not true or changed.

I have always considered the Director of Football role to be not right, and in my opinion he has left a massive problem for Sannino. If any of the players fall out with Sannino we have a big issue in the dressing room. Yes it's great to have a big squad, but that produces a problem in it's own right. Keeping the balance for each player is never going to be easy and you just cannot please everyone. Money doesn't come into this. Players have signed to play and it must be a nightmare for Sannino to manage this.

Winning helps of course but players sign to play, not to sit on the bench or not even that. Premiership teams also have this issue and at a Chelsea the players are either very professional or they cause a problem. I guess it is down to the Manager and how he manages those situations. My concern is did Nani ever ask Sannino what he wanted or how many, or in his desperation to get us promoted, is he just firing without thinking these issues through? Is this Nani's last chance saloon this season?

We may never know those answers, but somehow the Manager has to control this situation. Whether you like or dislike Sannino it is a task which is probably the most difficult to handle in the game, and could either make or disrupt our season.
This is a very difficult situation for Sannino. They all want to play of course. But they can't. It is a big squad with big personalities, and that will come to the fore with the ones that are not playing regularly. I too heard that there was some unrest with the players. I know that Pudil and McGugan didn't even travel, and it was even suggested that Deeney wouldn't start, which obviously was not true or changed. I have always considered the Director of Football role to be not right, and in my opinion he has left a massive problem for Sannino. If any of the players fall out with Sannino we have a big issue in the dressing room. Yes it's great to have a big squad, but that produces a problem in it's own right. Keeping the balance for each player is never going to be easy and you just cannot please everyone. Money doesn't come into this. Players have signed to play and it must be a nightmare for Sannino to manage this. Winning helps of course but players sign to play, not to sit on the bench or not even that. Premiership teams also have this issue and at a Chelsea the players are either very professional or they cause a problem. I guess it is down to the Manager and how he manages those situations. My concern is did Nani ever ask Sannino what he wanted or how many, or in his desperation to get us promoted, is he just firing without thinking these issues through? Is this Nani's last chance saloon this season? We may never know those answers, but somehow the Manager has to control this situation. Whether you like or dislike Sannino it is a task which is probably the most difficult to handle in the game, and could either make or disrupt our season. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 16

8:49am Wed 20 Aug 14

McHornet says...

We always knew that Sannino's biggest task this season is to keep the dressing room happy. and i like the fact that Dyer has got so annoyed at not playing that he's come and scored. If that's how Dyer reacts to being angry, keep him on the bench! That's a joke by the way, Dyer should play now!

And i don't think one player's desire to play constitutes a dressing room bust up! Heated words probably get spoken after every match! If this kind of thing is still happening at the start of October and results are being effected, that's a concern, but I think this will be an isolated incident.
We always knew that Sannino's biggest task this season is to keep the dressing room happy. and i like the fact that Dyer has got so annoyed at not playing that he's come and scored. If that's how Dyer reacts to being angry, keep him on the bench! That's a joke by the way, Dyer should play now! And i don't think one player's desire to play constitutes a dressing room bust up! Heated words probably get spoken after every match! If this kind of thing is still happening at the start of October and results are being effected, that's a concern, but I think this will be an isolated incident. McHornet
  • Score: 13

8:52am Wed 20 Aug 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

One man does not make a team! Dyer must have known that Watford have a massive amount of players to pick from so he should shut up and knuckle down like the rest!
One man does not make a team! Dyer must have known that Watford have a massive amount of players to pick from so he should shut up and knuckle down like the rest! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 11

8:59am Wed 20 Aug 14

davidjohnbarnard says...

Meadey39 wrote:
The best way to show a manager is by putting in performances week in week out. With a large squad there will always be unrest, hopefully because they all want to play. I just hope we can have a settled core of the side. Biggest problem at start of last year was chopping and changing , leaving out key players. Keep the players in form in the side, only change through injury and lack of form.
Couldnt agree more - if a player knows that however well he plays he might not play in the next game then will he give 100%? Sannino should have a meeting with all his players and tell them that if they play and play well then they will start the next game. If they play badly then expect to be dropped
[quote][p][bold]Meadey39[/bold] wrote: The best way to show a manager is by putting in performances week in week out. With a large squad there will always be unrest, hopefully because they all want to play. I just hope we can have a settled core of the side. Biggest problem at start of last year was chopping and changing , leaving out key players. Keep the players in form in the side, only change through injury and lack of form.[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more - if a player knows that however well he plays he might not play in the next game then will he give 100%? Sannino should have a meeting with all his players and tell them that if they play and play well then they will start the next game. If they play badly then expect to be dropped davidjohnbarnard
  • Score: 1

9:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.
I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation. corbindallas
  • Score: -3

9:14am Wed 20 Aug 14

McClelland the Legend says...

DuffmanWFC wrote:
I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts!
Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO!
Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too!
As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us!
Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan?
Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's?
Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior!
People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level!
How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days!
So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest!
I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray
Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts!
Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league!
COYH
Well said Duffman!
I totally agree, Wonderful times ahead..

COYH
[quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts! Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO! Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too! As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us! Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan? Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's? Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior! People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level! How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days! So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest! I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts! Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league! COYH[/p][/quote]Well said Duffman! I totally agree, Wonderful times ahead.. COYH McClelland the Legend
  • Score: 12

9:20am Wed 20 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

lutondown wrote:
Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday.
We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC.
Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits.
Absolute tools and embarrassing
Blimey me old mucker you'll get a nose bleed with all these positives!
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday. We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC. Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits. Absolute tools and embarrassing[/p][/quote]Blimey me old mucker you'll get a nose bleed with all these positives! corbindallas
  • Score: 2

9:22am Wed 20 Aug 14

hornetsteve says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
Some people are reading way to much into this.
Sannino will still be determining his best starting eleven. Pre-season alone will not have determined this. He can pick from a strong squad of 24 players. That is no easy task as they will all want to play.
Dyer's reaction is therefore understandable, however scoring itself should be enough to make his point without the histrionics afterwards - that is just disrespectful.
Tozser, McGugan, Anya, Andrews, Forresteiri, Battochio, Murray, Pudil, Dyer, Fabbrini, Paredes, Ranegie will all want to start. Accepting Deeney & Vydra pick themselves who would you then choose? Not easy.
We are three games in people and have won two of them!
Whilst I believe the first half of the season will define Sannino's future, those calling for his head at this moment in time are insane. What on earth will be achieved by that?!
did abdi, mcgugan, pudil, tozser, deserve to be left out taking into account there previous 2 performances!!looks like good man management is not one of sanninos strengths, surely any pro footballer accepts he wont get into a team, that's performing well,having said that I agree calling for sanninos head after just 3 games is crazy lets see were we are after 10 games COYH
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: Some people are reading way to much into this. Sannino will still be determining his best starting eleven. Pre-season alone will not have determined this. He can pick from a strong squad of 24 players. That is no easy task as they will all want to play. Dyer's reaction is therefore understandable, however scoring itself should be enough to make his point without the histrionics afterwards - that is just disrespectful. Tozser, McGugan, Anya, Andrews, Forresteiri, Battochio, Murray, Pudil, Dyer, Fabbrini, Paredes, Ranegie will all want to start. Accepting Deeney & Vydra pick themselves who would you then choose? Not easy. We are three games in people and have won two of them! Whilst I believe the first half of the season will define Sannino's future, those calling for his head at this moment in time are insane. What on earth will be achieved by that?![/p][/quote]did abdi, mcgugan, pudil, tozser, deserve to be left out taking into account there previous 2 performances!!looks like good man management is not one of sanninos strengths, surely any pro footballer accepts he wont get into a team, that's performing well,having said that I agree calling for sanninos head after just 3 games is crazy lets see were we are after 10 games COYH hornetsteve
  • Score: 4

9:38am Wed 20 Aug 14

Cuthbert007 says...

gary pine wrote:
Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong
Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now.
[quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong[/p][/quote]Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now. Cuthbert007
  • Score: -21

9:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

hornet of the humber says...

First post on here and have to say peoples expectations of our club are very high, for as long as I remember Watford were an established 2nd tier football team with a low budget and expected to fight with relegation or settle for mid table, since the pozzos have arrived we have never been in a better position financially and have the best squad since the 80's. Since living in hull for the best part of 10 years I haven't been able to get to many games, most of which are away from home the atmosphere has been immense every time however when I do get down to the vic I have been very dissapointed with the atmosphere and the amount of so called fans that make their way down just to take life's frustrations out on our players, I know the jury is still out on beppe and he should be judged after 10 league games. I may not be an avid supporter like some but when I was back in the 90's the atmosphere was a party atmosphere and that is what our players need. Were called supporters for a reason, if you think its a waste of money dont go.
First post on here and have to say peoples expectations of our club are very high, for as long as I remember Watford were an established 2nd tier football team with a low budget and expected to fight with relegation or settle for mid table, since the pozzos have arrived we have never been in a better position financially and have the best squad since the 80's. Since living in hull for the best part of 10 years I haven't been able to get to many games, most of which are away from home the atmosphere has been immense every time however when I do get down to the vic I have been very dissapointed with the atmosphere and the amount of so called fans that make their way down just to take life's frustrations out on our players, I know the jury is still out on beppe and he should be judged after 10 league games. I may not be an avid supporter like some but when I was back in the 90's the atmosphere was a party atmosphere and that is what our players need. Were called supporters for a reason, if you think its a waste of money dont go. hornet of the humber
  • Score: 15

9:56am Wed 20 Aug 14

Stoney77 says...

corbindallas wrote:
I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.
1. you say Beppe's subs have been poor? .... So what happened last night? Perhaps I imagined it but i thought It was 0-0, then Beppe made some subs and then it ended 2-0 to us? Credit where credit's due FFS.
2. You say He has no Plan B? well what the hell do you call a change in formation to suit a dogged opponent. It wasnt pretty but we won didnt we. we kept a clean sheet?
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.[/p][/quote]1. you say Beppe's subs have been poor? .... So what happened last night? Perhaps I imagined it but i thought It was 0-0, then Beppe made some subs and then it ended 2-0 to us? Credit where credit's due FFS. 2. You say He has no Plan B? well what the hell do you call a change in formation to suit a dogged opponent. It wasnt pretty but we won didnt we. we kept a clean sheet? Stoney77
  • Score: 26

9:57am Wed 20 Aug 14

endean2 says...

Cuthbert007 wrote:
gary pine wrote:
Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong
Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now.
with Deeney in tow?
[quote][p][bold]Cuthbert007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong[/p][/quote]Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now.[/p][/quote]with Deeney in tow? endean2
  • Score: -16

10:16am Wed 20 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

Stoney77 wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.
1. you say Beppe's subs have been poor? .... So what happened last night? Perhaps I imagined it but i thought It was 0-0, then Beppe made some subs and then it ended 2-0 to us? Credit where credit's due FFS.
2. You say He has no Plan B? well what the hell do you call a change in formation to suit a dogged opponent. It wasnt pretty but we won didnt we. we kept a clean sheet?
He took Fabby off who was playing very well, he brought on Dyer who should have started the last 3 games and we were lucky last night or should I say Beppe was! You know **** well a better team would have sunk us in the first half, if you don't then you really do have rose tinted glasses on. His subs comment are not based on one match but over the course, anyone making a statement on one match would be a fool. I want the best for WFC and if that means I sound negative to a player or manager it is because of that. It is no secret I thought Dyche should have been given a chance, it is no secret I do not rate Nani and some of his player, it is no secret that I called for Deeneys head when he was jailed. I have since said I was wrong on Deeney and that he has done what he should have a knuckled down. As a supporter and attender to matches I have a voice as you do and everyone else, even if we disagree on some points, I think Beppe is a weak choice for manager and know we can do better especially with our ambitions.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.[/p][/quote]1. you say Beppe's subs have been poor? .... So what happened last night? Perhaps I imagined it but i thought It was 0-0, then Beppe made some subs and then it ended 2-0 to us? Credit where credit's due FFS. 2. You say He has no Plan B? well what the hell do you call a change in formation to suit a dogged opponent. It wasnt pretty but we won didnt we. we kept a clean sheet?[/p][/quote]He took Fabby off who was playing very well, he brought on Dyer who should have started the last 3 games and we were lucky last night or should I say Beppe was! You know **** well a better team would have sunk us in the first half, if you don't then you really do have rose tinted glasses on. His subs comment are not based on one match but over the course, anyone making a statement on one match would be a fool. I want the best for WFC and if that means I sound negative to a player or manager it is because of that. It is no secret I thought Dyche should have been given a chance, it is no secret I do not rate Nani and some of his player, it is no secret that I called for Deeneys head when he was jailed. I have since said I was wrong on Deeney and that he has done what he should have a knuckled down. As a supporter and attender to matches I have a voice as you do and everyone else, even if we disagree on some points, I think Beppe is a weak choice for manager and know we can do better especially with our ambitions. corbindallas
  • Score: 6

10:20am Wed 20 Aug 14

Stoney77 says...

I think this whole Dyer thing is getting blown massively out of proportion. Theres lots of supporters here that think they are 'ITK' or some kind of psychological. body language expert mind reader type people. To be honest, IMO, they are just full of bull ****.
Lets get the facts straight. ONE player (yes thats ONE player) had a rather zealous, passionate, fired up goal celebration and shouted at the bench. We dont know what he said. He could have been calling Sannino all the names under the sun - or he could have been saying' HEY, HEY....LOOK, SEE WHAT I CAN DO,....SEE... SEE? THATS WHY YOU PICK ME, THATS WHY YOU PICK ME"......
so yes just to recap thats ONE player who shouted at the bench and all of a sudden the doom mongers are adamant that there is unrest and lots of players are unhappy and that Dyers actions PROVE that Beppe has lost the dressing room and is not the man for the job?

W.T.F?
I think this whole Dyer thing is getting blown massively out of proportion. Theres lots of supporters here that think they are 'ITK' or some kind of psychological. body language expert mind reader type people. To be honest, IMO, they are just full of bull ****. Lets get the facts straight. ONE player (yes thats ONE player) had a rather zealous, passionate, fired up goal celebration and shouted at the bench. We dont know what he said. He could have been calling Sannino all the names under the sun - or he could have been saying' HEY, HEY....LOOK, SEE WHAT I CAN DO,....SEE... SEE? THATS WHY YOU PICK ME, THATS WHY YOU PICK ME"...... so yes just to recap thats ONE player who shouted at the bench and all of a sudden the doom mongers are adamant that there is unrest and lots of players are unhappy and that Dyers actions PROVE that Beppe has lost the dressing room and is not the man for the job? W.T.F? Stoney77
  • Score: 14

10:26am Wed 20 Aug 14

Traceyhornet says...

lutondown wrote:
Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday. We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC. Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits. Absolute tools and embarrassing
I was at the game last night and 1st half we were awful and lucky to go in at half time nil nil. So the players don't appear to like the manager. Happens at a lot of clubs I imagine. But they also appear not to respect him, and that is clearly a problem!
[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday. We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC. Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits. Absolute tools and embarrassing[/p][/quote]I was at the game last night and 1st half we were awful and lucky to go in at half time nil nil. So the players don't appear to like the manager. Happens at a lot of clubs I imagine. But they also appear not to respect him, and that is clearly a problem! Traceyhornet
  • Score: 9

10:30am Wed 20 Aug 14

West Country Hornet says...

Using the large squad to his advantage.

Dyer was 'pumped up' cam off the bench and scored the all important first goal for the win.

Puts pressure on players to perform to get in and stay in the team. If you're not doing the business, then you'll get replaced. Good.
Using the large squad to his advantage. Dyer was 'pumped up' cam off the bench and scored the all important first goal for the win. Puts pressure on players to perform to get in and stay in the team. If you're not doing the business, then you'll get replaced. Good. West Country Hornet
  • Score: 14

10:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

harryhornet says...

Frank Smith needs to explain how the Watford Observer "understands" there is player unrest and how significant it is. I don't think that statement alone is fair or complete.

If there really is significant unrest that is an issue as as unsettled squad rarely succeeds. If there is no unrest, or if Frank’s statement is simply his opinion based on what he’s seen on the pitch (i.e. Dyer’s celebration, Vydra’s mini-sulk when he got taken off vs Udinese) or (more dangerously) what he’s read on the comments section of this website(!), then that is no more insightful an opinion than any of ours and none of us know what is going on behind closed doors. If it isn’t based on anything more concrete, I think the statement is inflammatory and unfair given that it could directly affect the manager’s position.
So Frank, is your statement based on conversations with one player, more than one player, a club “insider”, someone else in the media or somewhere less reliable?
Frank Smith needs to explain how the Watford Observer "understands" there is player unrest and how significant it is. I don't think that statement alone is fair or complete. If there really is significant unrest that is an issue as as unsettled squad rarely succeeds. If there is no unrest, or if Frank’s statement is simply his opinion based on what he’s seen on the pitch (i.e. Dyer’s celebration, Vydra’s mini-sulk when he got taken off vs Udinese) or (more dangerously) what he’s read on the comments section of this website(!), then that is no more insightful an opinion than any of ours and none of us know what is going on behind closed doors. If it isn’t based on anything more concrete, I think the statement is inflammatory and unfair given that it could directly affect the manager’s position. So Frank, is your statement based on conversations with one player, more than one player, a club “insider”, someone else in the media or somewhere less reliable? harryhornet
  • Score: 16

11:12am Wed 20 Aug 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

harryhornet wrote:
Frank Smith needs to explain how the Watford Observer "understands" there is player unrest and how significant it is. I don't think that statement alone is fair or complete.

If there really is significant unrest that is an issue as as unsettled squad rarely succeeds. If there is no unrest, or if Frank’s statement is simply his opinion based on what he’s seen on the pitch (i.e. Dyer’s celebration, Vydra’s mini-sulk when he got taken off vs Udinese) or (more dangerously) what he’s read on the comments section of this website(!), then that is no more insightful an opinion than any of ours and none of us know what is going on behind closed doors. If it isn’t based on anything more concrete, I think the statement is inflammatory and unfair given that it could directly affect the manager’s position.
So Frank, is your statement based on conversations with one player, more than one player, a club “insider”, someone else in the media or somewhere less reliable?
Good points week made. So Frank?
[quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: Frank Smith needs to explain how the Watford Observer "understands" there is player unrest and how significant it is. I don't think that statement alone is fair or complete. If there really is significant unrest that is an issue as as unsettled squad rarely succeeds. If there is no unrest, or if Frank’s statement is simply his opinion based on what he’s seen on the pitch (i.e. Dyer’s celebration, Vydra’s mini-sulk when he got taken off vs Udinese) or (more dangerously) what he’s read on the comments section of this website(!), then that is no more insightful an opinion than any of ours and none of us know what is going on behind closed doors. If it isn’t based on anything more concrete, I think the statement is inflammatory and unfair given that it could directly affect the manager’s position. So Frank, is your statement based on conversations with one player, more than one player, a club “insider”, someone else in the media or somewhere less reliable?[/p][/quote]Good points week made. So Frank? The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 4

11:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

The BestTrip2011 says...

The BestTrip2011 wrote:
harryhornet wrote:
Frank Smith needs to explain how the Watford Observer "understands" there is player unrest and how significant it is. I don't think that statement alone is fair or complete.

If there really is significant unrest that is an issue as as unsettled squad rarely succeeds. If there is no unrest, or if Frank’s statement is simply his opinion based on what he’s seen on the pitch (i.e. Dyer’s celebration, Vydra’s mini-sulk when he got taken off vs Udinese) or (more dangerously) what he’s read on the comments section of this website(!), then that is no more insightful an opinion than any of ours and none of us know what is going on behind closed doors. If it isn’t based on anything more concrete, I think the statement is inflammatory and unfair given that it could directly affect the manager’s position.
So Frank, is your statement based on conversations with one player, more than one player, a club “insider”, someone else in the media or somewhere less reliable?
Good points week made. So Frank?
Good points *WELL made
[quote][p][bold]The BestTrip2011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harryhornet[/bold] wrote: Frank Smith needs to explain how the Watford Observer "understands" there is player unrest and how significant it is. I don't think that statement alone is fair or complete. If there really is significant unrest that is an issue as as unsettled squad rarely succeeds. If there is no unrest, or if Frank’s statement is simply his opinion based on what he’s seen on the pitch (i.e. Dyer’s celebration, Vydra’s mini-sulk when he got taken off vs Udinese) or (more dangerously) what he’s read on the comments section of this website(!), then that is no more insightful an opinion than any of ours and none of us know what is going on behind closed doors. If it isn’t based on anything more concrete, I think the statement is inflammatory and unfair given that it could directly affect the manager’s position. So Frank, is your statement based on conversations with one player, more than one player, a club “insider”, someone else in the media or somewhere less reliable?[/p][/quote]Good points week made. So Frank?[/p][/quote]Good points *WELL made The BestTrip2011
  • Score: 2

11:37am Wed 20 Aug 14

Dunderdale Pinner says...

Seven games in 21 days is asking a lot. So expect some rotation. So far three wins out of 4 is a good return, and in the loss all but 2 minutes with 10 men is hard graft the the rest. I will reserve judgement on Beppe until the end of October. We may not agree with some of his decisions, we can all be armchair experts, but we do not see the players in training and do not know the minor injuries that have to be overcome. So let us support him and the team, even if we think A should have played instead of B. Support the team that is sent out onto the pitch and let us hope to fill the new stand by having a winning team.
Seven games in 21 days is asking a lot. So expect some rotation. So far three wins out of 4 is a good return, and in the loss all but 2 minutes with 10 men is hard graft the the rest. I will reserve judgement on Beppe until the end of October. We may not agree with some of his decisions, we can all be armchair experts, but we do not see the players in training and do not know the minor injuries that have to be overcome. So let us support him and the team, even if we think A should have played instead of B. Support the team that is sent out onto the pitch and let us hope to fill the new stand by having a winning team. Dunderdale Pinner
  • Score: 11

11:45am Wed 20 Aug 14

exeterhornet says...

I don't profess to know anything about what is going on but I just sense Beppes a dead man walking. Nothing wrong with players making open constructive comments or being cheesed off at being on the bench or not in the squad ( I would seriously question the desire and ambition of a player if he wasn't) but player power can become a cancer and if there are one or two undermining the manager, whether you like Beppe or not, it has got to stop now for the collective good. I just hope the story has no substance, but can't help feeling that it does. Smoke without fire?
I don't profess to know anything about what is going on but I just sense Beppes a dead man walking. Nothing wrong with players making open constructive comments or being cheesed off at being on the bench or not in the squad ( I would seriously question the desire and ambition of a player if he wasn't) but player power can become a cancer and if there are one or two undermining the manager, whether you like Beppe or not, it has got to stop now for the collective good. I just hope the story has no substance, but can't help feeling that it does. Smoke without fire? exeterhornet
  • Score: 3

11:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

MainStandShambles says...

Stoney77 wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.
1. you say Beppe's subs have been poor? .... So what happened last night? Perhaps I imagined it but i thought It was 0-0, then Beppe made some subs and then it ended 2-0 to us? Credit where credit's due FFS.
2. You say He has no Plan B? well what the hell do you call a change in formation to suit a dogged opponent. It wasnt pretty but we won didnt we. we kept a clean sheet?
Well said Stoney, I have just been stating similar thoughts (plus a few other ones) on the match report thread.

Having said that Corbindallas' reply to your response has some good points aswell.

Isn't our beloved game wonderfully subjective rather than objective.
[quote][p][bold]Stoney77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.[/p][/quote]1. you say Beppe's subs have been poor? .... So what happened last night? Perhaps I imagined it but i thought It was 0-0, then Beppe made some subs and then it ended 2-0 to us? Credit where credit's due FFS. 2. You say He has no Plan B? well what the hell do you call a change in formation to suit a dogged opponent. It wasnt pretty but we won didnt we. we kept a clean sheet?[/p][/quote]Well said Stoney, I have just been stating similar thoughts (plus a few other ones) on the match report thread. Having said that Corbindallas' reply to your response has some good points aswell. Isn't our beloved game wonderfully subjective rather than objective. MainStandShambles
  • Score: 5

12:32pm Wed 20 Aug 14

soulfulhornet says...

Early days this season - too early to decide if Sannino is the right/ wrong man. Won 3 lost 1 and the loss was with ten men for 94 minutes and two quality strikes from outside the area and another one that took a deflection. After the sending off never going to win at Norwich.

Last night, the formation and selection did look odd and listening on 3CR, I thought oh no this is another Bristol City away. but fair play to Beppi we won ugly at what is a difficult place to go. Rotherham not lost at home for 15 or so games.

Under Gianfranco we never seemed to win 'ugly' - and promotion teams always seem to do so, Burnley under Sean, Cardiff under Malky or Bruce's Hull and even Leicester (best team promoted since Southampton?) had that knack. To some degree, we had it under Dyche, Malky and Aidy

It's like not conceding late, it is a vital ingredient for a successful team.

Many critics of Beppi were suggesting that we try 4-4-2. Well he has. And they criticize when he does - a case of damned if he does...etc.

He is criticized for too many overseas players and that we need a solid English style defensive midfielder and so he plays Andrews and he is damned again.

Personally I would prefer him to play a more attacking formation and have Anya and Dyer on from the start - their pace nullified their full backs after Dyer came on. But was Rotherham on a Tuesday night the right place to try this risky strategy (neither of them at their best tracking back)?

Fabbrini played well apparently but with no end product as last season. As summariser David Holdsworth said he always comes inside (where it was congested) never takes full back on the outside.

However Rotherham are a tough physical side - ask Vydra and Fabbrini. Sometimes you have to sacrifice style for the battling qualities of a Tamas, Andrews, Munari and Hoban (who played really well it seems).

Igalho came on and dished it back out against a tiring defence. So 2 good matching winning substitutions in the second half...

We were a bit lucky - possibly. But how many on target shots did they have of any consequence. Gomes only had to make one good save.

I would like to see Dyer and Hoban start on Saturday and if Vydra not fit then Igalho.

Also give Paredes time to settle and adjust - new country, culture, language etc he has never played league football outside of Ecuador until now. And Gomes has only played 11 games in 3 seasons so he is bound to be a bit ring rusty as he was at Norwich. Let's be patient.

And as regards squad rotation - team selection etc I think these are problems the manager would prefer - ask the Blackpool manager or Malky and Sean when they were here.
Early days this season - too early to decide if Sannino is the right/ wrong man. Won 3 lost 1 and the loss was with ten men for 94 minutes and two quality strikes from outside the area and another one that took a deflection. After the sending off never going to win at Norwich. Last night, the formation and selection did look odd and listening on 3CR, I thought oh no this is another Bristol City away. but fair play to Beppi we won ugly at what is a difficult place to go. Rotherham not lost at home for 15 or so games. Under Gianfranco we never seemed to win 'ugly' - and promotion teams always seem to do so, Burnley under Sean, Cardiff under Malky or Bruce's Hull and even Leicester (best team promoted since Southampton?) had that knack. To some degree, we had it under Dyche, Malky and Aidy It's like not conceding late, it is a vital ingredient for a successful team. Many critics of Beppi were suggesting that we try 4-4-2. Well he has. And they criticize when he does - a case of damned if he does...etc. He is criticized for too many overseas players and that we need a solid English style defensive midfielder and so he plays Andrews and he is damned again. Personally I would prefer him to play a more attacking formation and have Anya and Dyer on from the start - their pace nullified their full backs after Dyer came on. But was Rotherham on a Tuesday night the right place to try this risky strategy (neither of them at their best tracking back)? Fabbrini played well apparently but with no end product as last season. As summariser David Holdsworth said he always comes inside (where it was congested) never takes full back on the outside. However Rotherham are a tough physical side - ask Vydra and Fabbrini. Sometimes you have to sacrifice style for the battling qualities of a Tamas, Andrews, Munari and Hoban (who played really well it seems). Igalho came on and dished it back out against a tiring defence. So 2 good matching winning substitutions in the second half... We were a bit lucky - possibly. But how many on target shots did they have of any consequence. Gomes only had to make one good save. I would like to see Dyer and Hoban start on Saturday and if Vydra not fit then Igalho. Also give Paredes time to settle and adjust - new country, culture, language etc he has never played league football outside of Ecuador until now. And Gomes has only played 11 games in 3 seasons so he is bound to be a bit ring rusty as he was at Norwich. Let's be patient. And as regards squad rotation - team selection etc I think these are problems the manager would prefer - ask the Blackpool manager or Malky and Sean when they were here. soulfulhornet
  • Score: 21

2:01pm Wed 20 Aug 14

lutondown says...

corbindallas wrote:
lutondown wrote:
Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday.
We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC.
Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits.
Absolute tools and embarrassing
Blimey me old mucker you'll get a nose bleed with all these positives!
Corby...I'll always say what I see.
But one thing for sure the people on here
Some whose view I respect, think the Beppe situation is
Out of proportion. No it's not, he's lost the dressing room.
I'd like to know why no McGugan after such a positive start to season,
Why certain players are played regardless of performance...
Why we had no dead ball specialist last night???
He's like the great dictator ranting away like a character
Out of one flew over the cuckoos nest.
Daft little twerp IMO
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: Fabrinni was playing well so why sub him. Anya cannot deliver a cross so he's pointless. Play defenders in position especially the excellent Hoban. Play Dyer FFS. Play a deadball specialist. Explain ehy McGugan not in squad after a decent show Saturday. We got lucky last night, and we will not get away with it against better sides, and that's no disrespect to the lovely club that's RUFC. Our fans were great except the clowns on the way in treating a young Rotherham mum and son to a rendition of 'in your northern slums' and we pay your benefits. Absolute tools and embarrassing[/p][/quote]Blimey me old mucker you'll get a nose bleed with all these positives![/p][/quote]Corby...I'll always say what I see. But one thing for sure the people on here Some whose view I respect, think the Beppe situation is Out of proportion. No it's not, he's lost the dressing room. I'd like to know why no McGugan after such a positive start to season, Why certain players are played regardless of performance... Why we had no dead ball specialist last night??? He's like the great dictator ranting away like a character Out of one flew over the cuckoos nest. Daft little twerp IMO lutondown
  • Score: -8

2:26pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Watfordwes says...

Smith tried to stir up a hornets nest with players holidays last summer. He's trying to do the same now.

Not sure his agenda, upsetting the best squad and owners we 've ever had because he is not getting the interviews he craves is my guess.

The paper need the football club, the club does not need the WO, alienate the club Frank and I wouldn't visit this site or buy your paper ...

Tread carefully
Smith tried to stir up a hornets nest with players holidays last summer. He's trying to do the same now. Not sure his agenda, upsetting the best squad and owners we 've ever had because he is not getting the interviews he craves is my guess. The paper need the football club, the club does not need the WO, alienate the club Frank and I wouldn't visit this site or buy your paper ... Tread carefully Watfordwes
  • Score: 6

2:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

neilhorn says...

this season, played 4, won 3. Even Man Utd wouldn't sack their manager for that record.
this season, played 4, won 3. Even Man Utd wouldn't sack their manager for that record. neilhorn
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

VOReason says...

neilhorn wrote:
this season, played 4, won 3. Even Man Utd wouldn't sack their manager for that record.
united have sacked one manager in 20+ years ...
[quote][p][bold]neilhorn[/bold] wrote: this season, played 4, won 3. Even Man Utd wouldn't sack their manager for that record.[/p][/quote]united have sacked one manager in 20+ years ... VOReason
  • Score: 1

2:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

VOReason says...

Watfordwes wrote:
Smith tried to stir up a hornets nest with players holidays last summer. He's trying to do the same now.

Not sure his agenda, upsetting the best squad and owners we 've ever had because he is not getting the interviews he craves is my guess.

The paper need the football club, the club does not need the WO, alienate the club Frank and I wouldn't visit this site or buy your paper ...

Tread carefully
His twitter account shows he has an agenda, if I were the paper's editor I would not be amused by his posts prior to having all of the 'evidence the go public'.

If there is a story im sure a proper paper with a proper journalist will uncover it, print it while Frank is still speculating ...

Then he can republish it in the Watford observer as he does with 95% of the stories on here!!!
[quote][p][bold]Watfordwes[/bold] wrote: Smith tried to stir up a hornets nest with players holidays last summer. He's trying to do the same now. Not sure his agenda, upsetting the best squad and owners we 've ever had because he is not getting the interviews he craves is my guess. The paper need the football club, the club does not need the WO, alienate the club Frank and I wouldn't visit this site or buy your paper ... Tread carefully[/p][/quote]His twitter account shows he has an agenda, if I were the paper's editor I would not be amused by his posts prior to having all of the 'evidence the go public'. If there is a story im sure a proper paper with a proper journalist will uncover it, print it while Frank is still speculating ... Then he can republish it in the Watford observer as he does with 95% of the stories on here!!! VOReason
  • Score: 3

3:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

PozzoHornet says...

corbindallas wrote:
I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.
In what way have his subs been poor? Last night, Dyer and Ighalo changed the game for us, with Ighalo creating the first and Dyer finishing it. Of course we weren't up to scratch last night, as we were rotating players to rest those involved in 90 minutes hard work on Saturday. But unlike under Zola, when square pegs had to be fitted into round holes in order to rotate, Sannino actually does have a plan B, and a plan C. People like you have had it out for Sannino since his appointment, mostly because he's not British and supposedly won't be able to hack it in the Championship. This prejudice is what leads to you lot jumping on any excuse to call for his sacking. Has anyone considered Dyer's role in this? I think it's very unprofessional of him to publicly scream at the management. Whatever his problem is, he should have a word in private to whoever he needs to talk to about it.
[quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.[/p][/quote]In what way have his subs been poor? Last night, Dyer and Ighalo changed the game for us, with Ighalo creating the first and Dyer finishing it. Of course we weren't up to scratch last night, as we were rotating players to rest those involved in 90 minutes hard work on Saturday. But unlike under Zola, when square pegs had to be fitted into round holes in order to rotate, Sannino actually does have a plan B, and a plan C. People like you have had it out for Sannino since his appointment, mostly because he's not British and supposedly won't be able to hack it in the Championship. This prejudice is what leads to you lot jumping on any excuse to call for his sacking. Has anyone considered Dyer's role in this? I think it's very unprofessional of him to publicly scream at the management. Whatever his problem is, he should have a word in private to whoever he needs to talk to about it. PozzoHornet
  • Score: 11

4:05pm Wed 20 Aug 14

neilhorn says...

VOReason wrote:
neilhorn wrote:
this season, played 4, won 3. Even Man Utd wouldn't sack their manager for that record.
united have sacked one manager in 20+ years ...
yes very true, maybe i should explain a bit better for you. What I mean is that Man Utd would be happy with that record
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neilhorn[/bold] wrote: this season, played 4, won 3. Even Man Utd wouldn't sack their manager for that record.[/p][/quote]united have sacked one manager in 20+ years ...[/p][/quote]yes very true, maybe i should explain a bit better for you. What I mean is that Man Utd would be happy with that record neilhorn
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

VOReason says...

Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise.

Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp.

If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat.

Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp.

KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out.

While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer.

A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club.
Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise. Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp. If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat. Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp. KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out. While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer. A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club. VOReason
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Wed 20 Aug 14

endean2 says...

VOReason wrote:
Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise.

Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp.

If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat.

Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp.

KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out.

While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer.

A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club.
I smell a rat
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise. Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp. If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat. Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp. KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out. While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer. A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club.[/p][/quote]I smell a rat endean2
  • Score: -1

5:13pm Wed 20 Aug 14

lutondown says...

VOReason wrote:
Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise.

Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp.

If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat.

Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp.

KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out.

While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer.

A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club.
It's a paper and its supposed to be objective. I think Frank gets an unfair rap on here by some, who seem to think its his duty to dance to the clubs tune.
I think the WO also try and adhere to the facts, and I suggest if people want speculation they visit rumour sites.
Kevin Affleck exposed some dodgy goings on and look what happened to him.
Carry on Frank and co, you're doing fine by most of us
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise. Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp. If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat. Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp. KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out. While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer. A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club.[/p][/quote]It's a paper and its supposed to be objective. I think Frank gets an unfair rap on here by some, who seem to think its his duty to dance to the clubs tune. I think the WO also try and adhere to the facts, and I suggest if people want speculation they visit rumour sites. Kevin Affleck exposed some dodgy goings on and look what happened to him. Carry on Frank and co, you're doing fine by most of us lutondown
  • Score: 5

5:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Goldenboy1960 says...

DuffmanWFC wrote:
I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts!
Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO!
Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too!
As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us!
Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan?
Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's?
Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior!
People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level!
How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days!
So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest!
I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray
Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts!
Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league!
COYH
Not sure Cathcart, Battochio or Murray are fringe players. Cathcart is injured and that is all.
[quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts! Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO! Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too! As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us! Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan? Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's? Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior! People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level! How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days! So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest! I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts! Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league! COYH[/p][/quote]Not sure Cathcart, Battochio or Murray are fringe players. Cathcart is injured and that is all. Goldenboy1960
  • Score: 1

5:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Oracledave says...

One thing is for sure. With a squad this size and quality the wage bill will be considerable. If Beppe does not 'cut the mustard', the Pozzos will swing the axe. As ever in these situations the initial key staging posts will be 10 and 20 games. After that second point I would think top ten would be a minimum requirement.
One thing is for sure. With a squad this size and quality the wage bill will be considerable. If Beppe does not 'cut the mustard', the Pozzos will swing the axe. As ever in these situations the initial key staging posts will be 10 and 20 games. After that second point I would think top ten would be a minimum requirement. Oracledave
  • Score: -1

6:58pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Henry VIII says...

One angry player reaction does not mean a manager has lost a dressing room, neither has he lost the plot. The growing fickleness on this website is appalling. Thank God our ancestors stood behind Churchill when the times got tough, can you imagine the amount of white flags flying from some of the 'fans' on here had they have been around in the 1940's. Shame on you. Unbelievable. Three league games gone.
One angry player reaction does not mean a manager has lost a dressing room, neither has he lost the plot. The growing fickleness on this website is appalling. Thank God our ancestors stood behind Churchill when the times got tough, can you imagine the amount of white flags flying from some of the 'fans' on here had they have been around in the 1940's. Shame on you. Unbelievable. Three league games gone. Henry VIII
  • Score: 5

7:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

BryantheOrn says...

endean2 wrote:
Cuthbert007 wrote:
gary pine wrote:
Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong
Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now.
with Deeney in tow?
Why would Deeney want to play for Malky? When Malky did play Troy, he stuck him on the wing! ! Come to think of it, dunno why Dyche wanted Feeney as he seemed to prefer Big Chris at centre forward!!
[quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cuthbert007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong[/p][/quote]Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now.[/p][/quote]with Deeney in tow?[/p][/quote]Why would Deeney want to play for Malky? When Malky did play Troy, he stuck him on the wing! ! Come to think of it, dunno why Dyche wanted Feeney as he seemed to prefer Big Chris at centre forward!! BryantheOrn
  • Score: 1

7:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

BryantheOrn says...

BryantheOrn wrote:
endean2 wrote:
Cuthbert007 wrote:
gary pine wrote:
Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong
Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now.
with Deeney in tow?
Why would Deeney want to play for Malky? When Malky did play Troy, he stuck him on the wing! ! Come to think of it, dunno why Dyche wanted Feeney as he seemed to prefer Big Chris at centre forward!!
Oops sorry, Feeney should say Deeney.
[quote][p][bold]BryantheOrn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cuthbert007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gary pine[/bold] wrote: Sannino needs to be replaced ,he has been there long enough and already there is player unrest .Dyer has every right to be angry and with a squad that we have got Sannino isn't the right man for the job.Malky Mackay should be re instated as he has a wealth of English soccer experience ,can talk English and has had success in the past ,something Sannino has not.The owners have got it wrong[/p][/quote]Dont know why you are getting so many negatives for this. But you are spot on. We need Malky managing the team. But looks.like he will be off t palace now.[/p][/quote]with Deeney in tow?[/p][/quote]Why would Deeney want to play for Malky? When Malky did play Troy, he stuck him on the wing! ! Come to think of it, dunno why Dyche wanted Feeney as he seemed to prefer Big Chris at centre forward!![/p][/quote]Oops sorry, Feeney should say Deeney. BryantheOrn
  • Score: 0

8:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Hopemole says...

Goldenboy1960 wrote:
DuffmanWFC wrote:
I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts!
Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO!
Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too!
As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us!
Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan?
Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's?
Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior!
People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level!
How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days!
So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest!
I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray
Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts!
Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league!
COYH
Not sure Cathcart, Battochio or Murray are fringe players. Cathcart is injured and that is all.
Good old Duffman. Welcome back. Lots of common sense as usual. Ignore the moaners. We miss you! Mind you it will be interesting to see how the Dyer situation develops. He didn't even celebrate our second goal.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenboy1960[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DuffmanWFC[/bold] wrote: I hardly post on here anymore coz it's a waste of time, all u get is stupid so called fans talking pants or either having a go at other fans thoughts! Half the stuff written on here is over hyped garbage and that includes some of the headline stories from the WO! Honestly! So what Dyer wanted to make a point and he did, he did turn down a year at a bigger club that he is settled at and he most proberbly had to move his family and everything else that goes with it too! As he was a regular with a side that strolled it last year he's only naturally gonna be a bit upset that he's not really featured for us! Beppe is right in the fact that everyone will want to play and they all have enough quality to be regulars, that's where we are fortunate as a club to have a big squad of very good players! So why moan? Those who want Beppe out, why? Two wins from 3 and the Norwich game was un save able after JE went! Are these the same people that wanted GZ out? Are these the same who were moaning about the Pozzo's? Crazy really, and the anti Gomes rubbish after Norwich - quite unbelievable really considering he was world class only a few days prior! People have short memories, it wasn't long ago we had a 3 sided stadium, faced bancrupcy, had owners that gave away the Crown Jewels for pittance and had a squad of players that weren't up to this level! How things can change? We will have a good stadium soon, we have great players and owners and we are financially sound! Happy days! So let's get behind all at this club and stop bickering! It's about unity not about so called un rest! I expect a few fringe players to go out on loan come end of August to keep there fitness up, most proberbly: Cathcart, Bottacchio, Renegie & Murray Whatever happens I will support 100% and I ask you all do the same regardless of your thoughts! Let's keep the great atmosphere going so it gives the players more and we can win this league! COYH[/p][/quote]Not sure Cathcart, Battochio or Murray are fringe players. Cathcart is injured and that is all.[/p][/quote]Good old Duffman. Welcome back. Lots of common sense as usual. Ignore the moaners. We miss you! Mind you it will be interesting to see how the Dyer situation develops. He didn't even celebrate our second goal. Hopemole
  • Score: 4

1:59pm Thu 21 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

VOReason wrote:
Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise.

Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp.

If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat.

Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp.

KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out.

While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer.

A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club.
What tosh you come out with sometimes, I agree we have different opinions and respect that but do you really for one instant think this is all based on Dyers outburst? A player or players or staff members talking off the record to Frank is not a rat, did you say the same when Frank was writing about the going ons under the red hard hat numptys refusal to talk straight? Frank is doing what any newspaper worth it sort should putting out a story which I have no doubt comes from voices within, Beppes response to questions quite frankly reminds me of someone losing the plot, even if he probably doesn't fully understand the questions? I cannot remain silent and support someone who I think is doing wrong so am not blind in my support to a lost cause despite that being part of my club.
[quote][p][bold]VOReason[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately fellow hornets, I ve been being stupid and some of the rest of us likewise. Frank is saying there is a rat in the camp. If Frank was a Watford fan and truly cared about the club he would expose the rat. Even if the rat were deeney we cannot move forward as a club with rats in the camp. KP was a rat for England cricket, despite being the best player the rat was driven out. While Sannino is the choice of the Pozzos he is my choice. Until Frank reveals his rat, be it player or staff, and that rat is dealt with I will not buy, read or browse the Watford Observer. A bit mellow dramatic but I cannot support a paper that does not support our club.[/p][/quote]What tosh you come out with sometimes, I agree we have different opinions and respect that but do you really for one instant think this is all based on Dyers outburst? A player or players or staff members talking off the record to Frank is not a rat, did you say the same when Frank was writing about the going ons under the red hard hat numptys refusal to talk straight? Frank is doing what any newspaper worth it sort should putting out a story which I have no doubt comes from voices within, Beppes response to questions quite frankly reminds me of someone losing the plot, even if he probably doesn't fully understand the questions? I cannot remain silent and support someone who I think is doing wrong so am not blind in my support to a lost cause despite that being part of my club. corbindallas
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

corbindallas says...

PozzoHornet wrote:
corbindallas wrote:
I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.
In what way have his subs been poor? Last night, Dyer and Ighalo changed the game for us, with Ighalo creating the first and Dyer finishing it. Of course we weren't up to scratch last night, as we were rotating players to rest those involved in 90 minutes hard work on Saturday. But unlike under Zola, when square pegs had to be fitted into round holes in order to rotate, Sannino actually does have a plan B, and a plan C. People like you have had it out for Sannino since his appointment, mostly because he's not British and supposedly won't be able to hack it in the Championship. This prejudice is what leads to you lot jumping on any excuse to call for his sacking. Has anyone considered Dyer's role in this? I think it's very unprofessional of him to publicly scream at the management. Whatever his problem is, he should have a word in private to whoever he needs to talk to about it.
Where the hell have I ever said I was against him for not being British, correct I haven't nor do I think only a British manager is the answer, just because I think Dyche should have been given a go does not make me anti I take it on facts of what I see and pay to watch. I see you are making wide statements with your post 'people like you' and 'you lot' I repeat my comments are no knee jerk or made on one match and I think I have answered what you ask already.
[quote][p][bold]PozzoHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corbindallas[/bold] wrote: I think Dyers reaction highlighted what many of us think already, it does not matter it is only the 3rd game of the season, Beppe is still out of his depth with a big talented squad, his subs have been poor and his tactics need a plan B, does this sound familiar to you, it should as that is what a lot of us were saying about Zola. I can fully understand Dyers actions, he is not looked at as a 1st team starter, unless he is injured or unfit he should be on the merits of his performance last season with the Foxes, just like Deeney and Vydra are looked at cemented starters add Gomes and Tozser that is 5 members of the team already picked for you, I know it is not always that simple but by having a solid core of 1st teamers you set the mould and when these players are subbed or replaced on cup games etc then you have a chance to fight and show for a starting place. Apart from the 5 I think the other 6 places are up for grabs with the players we have imo, depending on the teams we are playing will dictate whether we need a more physical but not so skillfull Ekstrand or tactical set play McGugan players, lucky for Beppe he has a good depth of choice. He will not keep everyone happy but at least he can show who's boss and also if we keep winning it proves it's own point. We won last night but we did not dominate and had no hold on the game in the first half, according to commentary I confess I was not there, likewise we were out played all over the pitch at Norwich, better teams will have put us to bed in the first half last night and that is the reality of the current situation.[/p][/quote]In what way have his subs been poor? Last night, Dyer and Ighalo changed the game for us, with Ighalo creating the first and Dyer finishing it. Of course we weren't up to scratch last night, as we were rotating players to rest those involved in 90 minutes hard work on Saturday. But unlike under Zola, when square pegs had to be fitted into round holes in order to rotate, Sannino actually does have a plan B, and a plan C. People like you have had it out for Sannino since his appointment, mostly because he's not British and supposedly won't be able to hack it in the Championship. This prejudice is what leads to you lot jumping on any excuse to call for his sacking. Has anyone considered Dyer's role in this? I think it's very unprofessional of him to publicly scream at the management. Whatever his problem is, he should have a word in private to whoever he needs to talk to about it.[/p][/quote]Where the hell have I ever said I was against him for not being British, correct I haven't nor do I think only a British manager is the answer, just because I think Dyche should have been given a go does not make me anti I take it on facts of what I see and pay to watch. I see you are making wide statements with your post 'people like you' and 'you lot' I repeat my comments are no knee jerk or made on one match and I think I have answered what you ask already. corbindallas
  • Score: 1

11:29am Mon 1 Sep 14

1watford says...

maybe you look at the players and not the manager in this instance.......... maybe they don't like a plan B?
maybe you look at the players and not the manager in this instance.......... maybe they don't like a plan B? 1watford
  • Score: 0

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