Hindus to sue RSPCA over Gangotri
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| Bhaktivedanta Manor farm manager Stuart Coyle with Gangotri before she was put down |
Hindus from Bhaktivedanta Manor in Letchmore Heath are to begin legal proceedings against the RSPCA following the killing of their sacred cow, Gangotri.
Hindus have already campaigned outside Parliament, lobbied MPs and the Archbishop of Canterbury; and recent statements of support have been received from Shadow Environment Secretary Peter Ainsworth and Canon Guy Wilkinson.
Gangotri, a 13 year-old Belgian Blue-Jersey cross, was put down by lethal injection in December after the RSPCA discovered she had been unable to walk for more than a year.
Today, saffron clad monks from the temple, the largest of its kind in Europe, will serve legal papers on the RSPCA with a view to suing them for tresspass and the killing of the cow.
8:14am Friday 28th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 9:37am Fri 28 Mar 08
OMG.
So what are they hoping to achieve here?... the freedom to be able to maltreat animals further in the future?
I find it deplorable that this hindu community feel that it was OK to allow the beast to suffer, let alone protest at what was clearly a humane act.
This is the 21st century don't forget - bowing down to ancient religious doctrines that predate any modern society seems preposterous.
I again publicly applaud the RSPCA in what was, in my view, the kindest way to put an end to this poor animal's undignified, pathetic and overall miserable existence.
OMG.
So what are they hoping to achieve here?... the freedom to be able to maltreat animals further in the future?
I find it deplorable that this hindu community feel that it was OK to allow the beast to suffer, let alone protest at what was clearly a humane act.
This is the 21st century don't forget - bowing down to ancient religious doctrines that predate any modern society seems preposterous.
I again publicly applaud the RSPCA in what was, in my view, the kindest way to put an end to this poor animal's undignified, pathetic and overall miserable existence.
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 10:58am Fri 28 Mar 08
Well I am resisiting the urge not to use the phrase "tangering tambourine tappers" this time around...
Or "baby bell bangers" come to think of it.
Well I am resisiting the urge not to use the phrase "tangering tambourine tappers" this time around...
Or "baby bell bangers" come to think of it.
Posted by: Andy, St Albans on 11:25am Fri 28 Mar 08
Yet another great example of religion being a very silly waste of time.
When will people wake up to the madness of these ancient, oppressive and plain daft doctrines?
Yet another great example of religion being a very silly waste of time.
When will people wake up to the madness of these ancient, oppressive and plain daft doctrines?
Posted by: Gango, danta Man on 11:27am Fri 28 Mar 08
What happens when you talk to a cow?
It goes in one ear and out the udder.
What happens when you talk to a cow?
It goes in one ear and out the udder.
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 11:53am Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Andy[/bold] wrote:
Yet another great example of religion being a very silly waste of time. When will people wake up to the madness of these ancient, oppressive and plain daft doctrines?[/quote] Gotta agree with my old mate Andy here.
As much as I understand that the Krishnas do lead a very peaceful existence, it is all very bizarre really isn't it?
That's where they let themselves down...
Just a bunch of saffron psychotropic psychedlic psychos if you ask me.
Get a grip with really for goodness sake.
Andy wrote:
Yet another great example of religion being a very silly waste of time. When will people wake up to the madness of these ancient, oppressive and plain daft doctrines?
Gotta agree with my old mate Andy here.
As much as I understand that the Krishnas do lead a very peaceful existence, it is all very bizarre really isn't it?
That's where they let themselves down...
Just a bunch of saffron psychotropic psychedlic psychos if you ask me.
Get a grip with really for goodness sake.
Posted by: Jimbobfury, Watford on 1:38pm Fri 28 Mar 08
If they were being cruel to the cow....then they should be prosecuted!
Mind you, I can't wait for dinner tonight, a nice big juicy steak!
If they were being cruel to the cow....then they should be prosecuted!
Mind you, I can't wait for dinner tonight, a nice big juicy steak!
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 1:47pm Fri 28 Mar 08
hmm... Is it me or has this story and the comments associated with it been mysteriously removed from the news section?
Do I sense that The WO are getting a bit edgy about this as it has a legal angle on it now?
I think that this article can only be accessed by the "most read" section on the right.
tut tut WO... not allowing your readers to have the freedom of expression that we are entitled to?
Whatever next?
hmm... Is it me or has this story and the comments associated with it been mysteriously removed from the news section?
Do I sense that The WO are getting a bit edgy about this as it has a legal angle on it now?
I think that this article can only be accessed by the "most read" section on the right.
tut tut WO... not allowing your readers to have the freedom of expression that we are entitled to?
Whatever next?
Posted by: Fcukgod on 2:18pm Fri 28 Mar 08
These primitive misfits should not be allowed to use our law to further their ridiculous views about animals. The RSPCA operate with the welfare of each animal as their paramount objective. As far as I am concerned, a bunch of misguided jesus-booted idiots do not have the welfare of animals as their primary concern. The RSPCA should be prosecuting them. But with our current anxiety to keep the believers happy, we seem to bend over backwards to accommodate thier views into our way of life. This is an attack on humane behaviour, a national institution geared towards caring for animals, an attack made by people who seem to only care about promoting their deeply-felt nonsense at the expense of animal welfare. They should be ashamed of themselves!
These primitive misfits should not be allowed to use our law to further their ridiculous views about animals. The RSPCA operate with the welfare of each animal as their paramount objective. As far as I am concerned, a bunch of misguided jesus-booted idiots do not have the welfare of animals as their primary concern. The RSPCA should be prosecuting them. But with our current anxiety to keep the believers happy, we seem to bend over backwards to accommodate thier views into our way of life. This is an attack on humane behaviour, a national institution geared towards caring for animals, an attack made by people who seem to only care about promoting their deeply-felt nonsense at the expense of animal welfare. They should be ashamed of themselves!
Posted by: Roy Stockdill on 8:51pm Fri 28 Mar 08
My views on this ridiculous long-running saga are well known. I find myself unable to better the description of these so-called monks as "tangerine tambourine-tappers" (thank you, Plinth of Darkneth), so may I go down another track and draw your attention to a meeting early in April to found a Watford Humanist League? This will be on Tuesday, April 8, at the Newton Price Centre, Grosvenor Rd, Watford, at 7.30 p.m. Alex Kennedy, campaigns officer of the British Humanist Association, will be the chief speaker. There is a preview para about this in today's WO on page 8.
Humanists believe that it is possible to live a perfectly good and decent life without believing in religion and other superstitions. Watford has far too many faith groups and it is about time some of we non-believers got together and confronted these pedlars of medieval mumbo jumbo!
My views on this ridiculous long-running saga are well known. I find myself unable to better the description of these so-called monks as "tangerine tambourine-tappers" (thank you, Plinth of Darkneth), so may I go down another track and draw your attention to a meeting early in April to found a Watford Humanist League? This will be on Tuesday, April 8, at the Newton Price Centre, Grosvenor Rd, Watford, at 7.30 p.m. Alex Kennedy, campaigns officer of the British Humanist Association, will be the chief speaker. There is a preview para about this in today's WO on page 8.
Humanists believe that it is possible to live a perfectly good and decent life without believing in religion and other superstitions. Watford has far too many faith groups and it is about time some of we non-believers got together and confronted these pedlars of medieval mumbo jumbo!
Posted by: EthelMerryFanny, TC on 1:53pm Sat 29 Mar 08
The cow had been suffering from injuries suffered during a mating incident with a bull, and had received acupuncture and massage treatment from the temple's vets.
The cow had been suffering from injuries suffered during a mating incident with a bull, and had received acupuncture and massage treatment from the temple's vets.
Posted by: Roy Stockdill on 8:50pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]EthelMerryFanny[/bold] wrote:
The cow had been suffering from injuries suffered during a mating incident with a bull, and had received acupuncture and massage treatment from the temple's vets.[/quote] Are the temple's vets REAL vets, i.e. do they have any actual qualifications whatsoever or are they self appointed? I think this is a very pertinent and reasonable question to raise. Do the people who had this animal in their supposed care actually have any recognised veterinary qualifications whatsoever under the law of the land? If the answer is "No", then I believe the RSPCA were absolutely correct in what they did.
If the temple's supposed vets were operating under religious laws rather than the secular laws of the land, then they have no right whatsoever to be heard or taken notice of.
EthelMerryFanny wrote:
The cow had been suffering from injuries suffered during a mating incident with a bull, and had received acupuncture and massage treatment from the temple's vets.
Are the temple's vets REAL vets, i.e. do they have any actual qualifications whatsoever or are they self appointed? I think this is a very pertinent and reasonable question to raise. Do the people who had this animal in their supposed care actually have any recognised veterinary qualifications whatsoever under the law of the land? If the answer is "No", then I believe the RSPCA were absolutely correct in what they did.
If the temple's supposed vets were operating under religious laws rather than the secular laws of the land, then they have no right whatsoever to be heard or taken notice of.
Posted by: Roy Stockdill on 9:10pm Sat 29 Mar 08
I might add that this is yet another example of a case where religious loonies and crackpots will be opposed by sensible people, i.e. atheists and agnostics who believe in a world run by non-believers in superstition and mumbo jumbo!
Come to the inaugural eeting of the Watford Humanist League at the Newton Price Centre, Grosvenor Rd, Watford, on Tuesday April 8 at 7.30 p.m..
I might add that this is yet another example of a case where religious loonies and crackpots will be opposed by sensible people, i.e. atheists and agnostics who believe in a world run by non-believers in superstition and mumbo jumbo!
Come to the inaugural eeting of the Watford Humanist League at the Newton Price Centre, Grosvenor Rd, Watford, on Tuesday April 8 at 7.30 p.m..
Posted by: Informed Party, WATFORD, HERTFORDSHIRE on 12:33pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Regardless of the Krishna's beliefs and lifestyle choices, surely they have the right to question an act carried out by the RSPCA.
What concerns me is that the majority of these comments are not really discussing the case, but rather individuals presenting their own ignorance and prejudices.
On the question regarding the temple vets - both of them were qualified vets. Thus it is illegal for the RSPCA to kill an animal which is already under veterinary care.
As has been rightly stated by others, religious groups are not above the law. This must also apply to charity organisations. Regardless of how much good work they do, the RSPCA are prone to make mistakes like all of us. The Krishna's are not above the law; neither are the RSPCA.
We live in a fair and just society. Taking this to court seems to the only sensible option. Let's wait to see what the outcome is.
Regardless of the Krishna's beliefs and lifestyle choices, surely they have the right to question an act carried out by the RSPCA.
What concerns me is that the majority of these comments are not really discussing the case, but rather individuals presenting their own ignorance and prejudices.
On the question regarding the temple vets - both of them were qualified vets. Thus it is illegal for the RSPCA to kill an animal which is already under veterinary care.
As has been rightly stated by others, religious groups are not above the law. This must also apply to charity organisations. Regardless of how much good work they do, the RSPCA are prone to make mistakes like all of us. The Krishna's are not above the law; neither are the RSPCA.
We live in a fair and just society. Taking this to court seems to the only sensible option. Let's wait to see what the outcome is.
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 10:32pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote]We live in a fair and just society. Taking this to court seems to the only sensible option. Let's wait to see what the outcome is.[/quote]
It is ridiculous to consider legal action against the RSPCA in this case.
That would lead to an immense waste of money and time.
The Cow suffered, was put to sleep - end of story.
Why cant people just move on and get over it.
We live in a fair and just society. Taking this to court seems to the only sensible option. Let's wait to see what the outcome is.
It is ridiculous to consider legal action against the RSPCA in this case.
That would lead to an immense waste of money and time.
The Cow suffered, was put to sleep - end of story.
Why cant people just move on and get over it.
Posted by: Richard Cole, Watford on 10:56am Tue 1 Apr 08
Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...
Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...
Posted by: Richard Cole, Watford on 10:58am Tue 1 Apr 08
Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...
Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 12:56am Wed 2 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Richard Cole[/bold] wrote:
Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own... [/quote] Having read your comments, I have come to the conclusion that what one seems to forget here my friend is the fact that this is a very very heavy animal.
A beast of that size cannot support itself readily in that condition, and had to be propped up by a wooden ledge. Now this leads to te conclusion that it was clearly going to be in a state of major trauma and distress.
This was the normal state for an animal of that size to have had to endure.
It would almost certainly would have become confused and naturally have become distressed, scared and unnecessarily alarmed.
The RSPCA inspector that visited the site clearly recognised clear indications of suffering and with the interest of the animal's welfare, and having considered it's quality of life, made the absolutely correct decision to end it's misery from what seemed a prolonged period of suffering.
Why is it that no-one has stopped and thought for one single minute about the welfare of this poor animal and it's dignity?
The Krishnas, amidst it's clear suffering had no concerns whatsoever for the animal's rights and quite cruelly, while it was indeed suffering, added to it's torment by painting it and to further it's twisted and perverse religious mentality, adorned it with flower garlands just to appease themselves.
Now then, let's be clear here, I personally would like to think that I possess a modicum of common decency, but I really do believe that in any logical and sane perception, the concept of doing such a undignified act is quite clearly and categorically appalling.
I further challenge ANYONE to post any comments further that say otherwise.
As I have openly said before, the behaviour of the Krishas at Bhaktivedanta Manor has been nothing short of gross indecency to this poor and defenseless animal.
And we are currently living in the 21st Century?
People like this make me feel physically sick.
It's an absolute disgrace and utterly repulsive.
Mr.Cole, I suggest that you [bold]seriously[/bold] think [bold]long and hard[/bold] about this particular issue and reconsider what are clearly blinkered ideas over this issue.
Richard Cole wrote:
Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...
Having read your comments, I have come to the conclusion that what one seems to forget here my friend is the fact that this is a very very heavy animal.
A beast of that size cannot support itself readily in that condition, and had to be propped up by a wooden ledge. Now this leads to te conclusion that it was clearly going to be in a state of major trauma and distress.
This was the normal state for an animal of that size to have had to endure.
It would almost certainly would have become confused and naturally have become distressed, scared and unnecessarily alarmed.
The RSPCA inspector that visited the site clearly recognised clear indications of suffering and with the interest of the animal's welfare, and having considered it's quality of life, made the absolutely correct decision to end it's misery from what seemed a prolonged period of suffering.
Why is it that no-one has stopped and thought for one single minute about the welfare of this poor animal and it's dignity?
The Krishnas, amidst it's clear suffering had no concerns whatsoever for the animal's rights and quite cruelly, while it was indeed suffering, added to it's torment by painting it and to further it's twisted and perverse religious mentality, adorned it with flower garlands just to appease themselves.
Now then, let's be clear here, I personally would like to think that I possess a modicum of common decency, but I really do believe that in any logical and sane perception, the concept of doing such a undignified act is quite clearly and categorically appalling.
I further challenge ANYONE to post any comments further that say otherwise.
As I have openly said before, the behaviour of the Krishas at Bhaktivedanta Manor has been nothing short of gross indecency to this poor and defenseless animal.
And we are currently living in the 21st Century?
People like this make me feel physically sick.
It's an absolute disgrace and utterly repulsive.
Mr.Cole, I suggest that you
seriously think
long and hard about this particular issue and reconsider what are clearly blinkered ideas over this issue.
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 12:44pm Wed 2 Apr 08
[quote]I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...[/quote] And just what point are you trying to make here, Mr.Cole?
I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...
And just what point are you trying to make here, Mr.Cole?
Posted by: Roy Stockdill on 5:11pm Wed 2 Apr 08
I must agree with the Plinth of Darkneth. The treatment of this animal by these misguided religious nutters is almost beyond belief. Painting a cow, adorning it with flowers and making it the object of some peculiar form of worship, even if it had been healthy, belongs not to the 21st century but to the Middle Ages. That the beast was obviously sick and suffering makes it even worse. Didn't we ban such undignified treatment of circus animals? For this is precisely what this wretched animal was - a prime exhibit in a circus full of freaks in fancy dress.
I must agree with the Plinth of Darkneth. The treatment of this animal by these misguided religious nutters is almost beyond belief. Painting a cow, adorning it with flowers and making it the object of some peculiar form of worship, even if it had been healthy, belongs not to the 21st century but to the Middle Ages. That the beast was obviously sick and suffering makes it even worse. Didn't we ban such undignified treatment of circus animals? For this is precisely what this wretched animal was - a prime exhibit in a circus full of freaks in fancy dress.
Posted by: Jimbobfury, Watford on 2:41pm Thu 3 Apr 08
[quote][bold]The Plinth of Darkneth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Richard Cole[/bold] wrote: Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own... [/quote] Having read your comments, I have come to the conclusion that what one seems to forget here my friend is the fact that this is a very very heavy animal. A beast of that size cannot support itself readily in that condition, and had to be propped up by a wooden ledge. Now this leads to te conclusion that it was clearly going to be in a state of major trauma and distress. This was the normal state for an animal of that size to have had to endure. It would almost certainly would have become confused and naturally have become distressed, scared and unnecessarily alarmed. The RSPCA inspector that visited the site clearly recognised clear indications of suffering and with the interest of the animal's welfare, and having considered it's quality of life, made the absolutely correct decision to end it's misery from what seemed a prolonged period of suffering. Why is it that no-one has stopped and thought for one single minute about the welfare of this poor animal and it's dignity? The Krishnas, amidst it's clear suffering had no concerns whatsoever for the animal's rights and quite cruelly, while it was indeed suffering, added to it's torment by painting it and to further it's twisted and perverse religious mentality, adorned it with flower garlands just to appease themselves. Now then, let's be clear here, I personally would like to think that I possess a modicum of common decency, but I really do believe that in any logical and sane perception, the concept of doing such a undignified act is quite clearly and categorically appalling. I further challenge ANYONE to post any comments further that say otherwise. As I have openly said before, the behaviour of the Krishas at Bhaktivedanta Manor has been nothing short of gross indecency to this poor and defenseless animal. And we are currently living in the 21st Century? People like this make me feel physically sick. It's an absolute disgrace and utterly repulsive. Mr.Cole, I suggest that you [bold]seriously[/bold] think [bold]long and hard[/bold] about this particular issue and reconsider what are clearly blinkered ideas over this issue. [/quote] They should have taken the cow to the local abbatoir and and gave the meat to the local poor people.
The Plinth of Darkneth wrote:
Richard Cole wrote: Can we stick to the point here please? This is not a discussion about who is atheist and who is not. The facts are simple: the RSPCA illegally deceived their way onto the Temple property and killed an animal who had nothing more than a bad leg and some sores. I know many people of different backgrounds who have suffered at the hands of the RSPCA, who in more recent years have become over-zealous in their animal killing because its cheaper for them. Please don't be naive about the RSPCA...I am willing to bet that the salaries of the top RSCPA executives is more than your own...
Having read your comments, I have come to the conclusion that what one seems to forget here my friend is the fact that this is a very very heavy animal. A beast of that size cannot support itself readily in that condition, and had to be propped up by a wooden ledge. Now this leads to te conclusion that it was clearly going to be in a state of major trauma and distress. This was the normal state for an animal of that size to have had to endure. It would almost certainly would have become confused and naturally have become distressed, scared and unnecessarily alarmed. The RSPCA inspector that visited the site clearly recognised clear indications of suffering and with the interest of the animal's welfare, and having considered it's quality of life, made the absolutely correct decision to end it's misery from what seemed a prolonged period of suffering. Why is it that no-one has stopped and thought for one single minute about the welfare of this poor animal and it's dignity? The Krishnas, amidst it's clear suffering had no concerns whatsoever for the animal's rights and quite cruelly, while it was indeed suffering, added to it's torment by painting it and to further it's twisted and perverse religious mentality, adorned it with flower garlands just to appease themselves. Now then, let's be clear here, I personally would like to think that I possess a modicum of common decency, but I really do believe that in any logical and sane perception, the concept of doing such a undignified act is quite clearly and categorically appalling. I further challenge ANYONE to post any comments further that say otherwise. As I have openly said before, the behaviour of the Krishas at Bhaktivedanta Manor has been nothing short of gross indecency to this poor and defenseless animal. And we are currently living in the 21st Century? People like this make me feel physically sick. It's an absolute disgrace and utterly repulsive. Mr.Cole, I suggest that you seriously think long and hard about this particular issue and reconsider what are clearly blinkered ideas over this issue.
They should have taken the cow to the local abbatoir and and gave the meat to the local poor people.
Posted by: Richard Cole, Watford on 6:22pm Fri 4 Apr 08
I have decided that it is only worth dicussing this issue with those who are vegetarian. Otherwise your mind will not be clear enough to understand that the meat-industry is a most terrible and cruel thing.
I have decided that it is only worth dicussing this issue with those who are vegetarian. Otherwise your mind will not be clear enough to understand that the meat-industry is a most terrible and cruel thing.
Posted by: Richard Cole, Watford on 6:23pm Fri 4 Apr 08
I have decided that it is only worth dicussing this issue with those who are vegetarian. Otherwise your mind will not be clear enough to understand that the meat-industry is a most terrible and cruel thing.
I have decided that it is only worth dicussing this issue with those who are vegetarian. Otherwise your mind will not be clear enough to understand that the meat-industry is a most terrible and cruel thing.
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 3:44pm Sat 5 Apr 08
This debate should be open to everyone regardless of preference to diet, faith or any belief system.
This is a moral issue.
This debate should be open to everyone regardless of preference to diet, faith or any belief system.
This is a moral issue.
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 3:50pm Sat 5 Apr 08
This debate should be open to everyone regardless of preference to diet, faith or any belief system.
This is a moral issue.
This debate should be open to everyone regardless of preference to diet, faith or any belief system.
This is a moral issue.
Posted by: Richard Cole, Watford on 11:06am Mon 7 Apr 08
Dear Plinth of Darkneth, yes I agree this debate should be open to all, but I am challenging those who talk about moral issues to consider the morality of the meat-industry. Very low indeed. The Hare Krishnas are vegetarian and thats a moral thing.
Dear Plinth of Darkneth, yes I agree this debate should be open to all, but I am challenging those who talk about moral issues to consider the morality of the meat-industry. Very low indeed. The Hare Krishnas are vegetarian and thats a moral thing.
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 10:04pm Mon 7 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Richard Cole[/bold] wrote:
Dear Plinth of Darkneth, yes I agree this debate should be open to all, but I am challenging those who talk about moral issues to consider the morality of the meat-industry. Very low indeed. The Hare Krishnas are vegetarian and thats a moral thing.[/quote] Vegetarianism is a lifestyle choice, as is Hinduism.
What you cannot argue against is the fact that as Humans, we are natural carnivores, hence the canine teeth that we all possess.
Man did not evolve as herbivores, we have been and shall always be meat eaters.
It is through natural instinct that we eat meat... whether you choose to do so or not is, as I mentioned before, a lifestyle choice.
What I do take umbrage to, is being lectured on the subject.
Meat eating is not immoral in any sense whatsoever - it is a purely natural process that our bodies are designed to do.
Richard Cole wrote:
Dear Plinth of Darkneth, yes I agree this debate should be open to all, but I am challenging those who talk about moral issues to consider the morality of the meat-industry. Very low indeed. The Hare Krishnas are vegetarian and thats a moral thing.
Vegetarianism is a lifestyle choice, as is Hinduism.
What you cannot argue against is the fact that as Humans, we are natural carnivores, hence the canine teeth that we all possess.
Man did not evolve as herbivores, we have been and shall always be meat eaters.
It is through natural instinct that we eat meat... whether you choose to do so or not is, as I mentioned before, a lifestyle choice.
What I do take umbrage to, is being lectured on the subject.
Meat eating is not immoral in any sense whatsoever - it is a purely natural process that our bodies are designed to do.
Posted by: Richard Cole, Watford on 10:47am Tue 8 Apr 08
Dear Plinth
please view videos such as the following link, and tell me what you think:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=i3Z68SA7M
uQ
Dear Plinth
please view videos such as the following link, and tell me what you think:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=i3Z68SA7M
uQ
Posted by: Richard Cole, Watford on 10:48am Tue 8 Apr 08
Dear Plinth
please view videos such as the following link, and tell me what you think:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=i3Z68SA7M
uQ
Dear Plinth
please view videos such as the following link, and tell me what you think:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=i3Z68SA7M
uQ
Posted by: The Plinth of Darkneth, Watford on 4:55pm Wed 9 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Richard Cole[/bold] wrote:
Dear Plinth please view videos such as the following link, and tell me what you think: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=i3Z68SA7M uQ[/quote] How [bold][italic]patronising[/italic] [/bold] for vegetarians.
That really was rather pathetic I reckon.
Do you seriously think that some cuddly film like that will change the mind of a perfectly natural carnivore?
I think not.
Why cant vegetarians just be [italic][bold]normal[/bold][/italic] ?
Richard Cole wrote:
Dear Plinth please view videos such as the following link, and tell me what you think: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=i3Z68SA7M uQ
How
patronising for vegetarians.
That really was rather pathetic I reckon.
Do you seriously think that some cuddly film like that will change the mind of a perfectly natural carnivore?
I think not.
Why cant vegetarians just be
normal ?
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