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Eustace faces further charge
WATFORD face the prospect of losing their skipper for five of the the last eight games after John Eustace was charged with improper conduct by the FA.
Already facing a three-match ban following his dismissal on Saturday, Eustace could be banned for a further two games after referee Rob Styles cited him in his report for failing to leave the field of play in a timely manner.
Watford have until midday today (Thursday) to decide whether to appeal.
9:25am Thursday 20th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: neville on 9:39am Thu 20 Mar 08
This proves without a shadow of doubt that Rob Styles has it in for WFC. To receive a five match ban for such a foul, would be utterly ridiculous. Aidy must appeal against this one!
This proves without a shadow of doubt that Rob Styles has it in for WFC. To receive a five match ban for such a foul, would be utterly ridiculous. Aidy must appeal against this one!
Posted by: WFC & Proud, Watford on 9:57am Thu 20 Mar 08
I'm not sure that's a good idea; it's still "our word against Styles" and the TV pics are inconclusive. If we appeal & lose, the FA could well extend the ban meaning John might not play again this season.
Having thought some more about this, Styles has, for me, now set an obvious & dangerous precedent: any player "dwadling" off the field of play after a red card or even being subbed is now at risk of a two match ban & fine. I wonder how the Player's Unions and League Managers Assocn wil view that? In my book, Styles has completely proved what fans of all clubs have known for quite some time: he's a publicity-seeking idiot who needs to retire [bold]bold[/bold] NOW[bold]bold[/bold] to avoid further damaging our national game.
I'm not sure that's a good idea; it's still "our word against Styles" and the TV pics are inconclusive. If we appeal & lose, the FA could well extend the ban meaning John might not play again this season.
Having thought some more about this, Styles has, for me, now set an obvious & dangerous precedent: any player "dwadling" off the field of play after a red card or even being subbed is now at risk of a two match ban & fine. I wonder how the Player's Unions and League Managers Assocn wil view that? In my book, Styles has completely proved what fans of all clubs have known for quite some time: he's a publicity-seeking idiot who needs to retire NOW to avoid further damaging our national game.
Posted by: SIMMO, BUCKS on 10:05am Thu 20 Mar 08
never want to see this disgrace of an official near our team again Aidy needs to make that known to Hackett ,this is pure victimisation ,18000+ fans cannot be wrong his whole handling of game should be brought to book ,even the stoke players said it was never a red card but we took it on the chin did not appeal so opened the way for this prat to get his own back on the fans abuse by punishing us further TIME TO BITE BACK WATFORD NOW !!!!!!!!
never want to see this disgrace of an official near our team again Aidy needs to make that known to Hackett ,this is pure victimisation ,18000+ fans cannot be wrong his whole handling of game should be brought to book ,even the stoke players said it was never a red card but we took it on the chin did not appeal so opened the way for this prat to get his own back on the fans abuse by punishing us further TIME TO BITE BACK WATFORD NOW !!!!!!!!
Posted by: WFC & Proud, Watford on 10:06am Thu 20 Mar 08
I'm not sure that's a good idea; it's still "our word against Styles" and the TV pics are inconclusive. If we appeal & lose, the FA could well extend the ban meaning John might not play again this season.
Having thought some more about this, Styles has, for me, now set an obvious & dangerous precedent: any player "dwadling" off the field of play after a red card or even being subbed is now at risk of a two match ban & fine. I wonder how the Player's Unions and League Managers Assocn wil view that? In my book, Styles has completely proved what fans of all clubs have known for quite some time: he's a publicity-seeking idiot who needs to retire [bold]bold[/bold] NOW[bold]bold[/bold] to avoid further damaging our national game.
I'm not sure that's a good idea; it's still "our word against Styles" and the TV pics are inconclusive. If we appeal & lose, the FA could well extend the ban meaning John might not play again this season.
Having thought some more about this, Styles has, for me, now set an obvious & dangerous precedent: any player "dwadling" off the field of play after a red card or even being subbed is now at risk of a two match ban & fine. I wonder how the Player's Unions and League Managers Assocn wil view that? In my book, Styles has completely proved what fans of all clubs have known for quite some time: he's a publicity-seeking idiot who needs to retire NOW to avoid further damaging our national game.
Posted by: Professor Plum, The Billiard Room on 10:22am Thu 20 Mar 08
That really is taking the p1ss but entirely in keeping with Styles’ spiteful mentality. I trust the club will mount a robust defence rather than role over and accept this appalling treatment for a second time
That really is taking the p1ss but entirely in keeping with Styles’ spiteful mentality. I trust the club will mount a robust defence rather than role over and accept this appalling treatment for a second time
Posted by: Hexham Hornet, Hexham on 10:26am Thu 20 Mar 08
What is going on? We have a situation where virtually all the players on the field could not believe it was a red card in the first place and now this. If the FA support this charge then it would suggest that there is something seriously wrong with the game today - some might go as far as to suggest there is a conspiracy theory in place. Does Styles suggest that the player sees the red card and then sprints off? Does he think that the player, who looked shocked at the decision and didn't seem to take it in at first, should have taken the card on board immediately and just walked - if things come as a shock to you it is not always possible to react immediately. I only saw it on the TV, but from what I saw Eustace was off the pitch before Richard Cresswell had got to his feet and was in position for the resulting free kick. So there was additional diruption to play. Eustace may have questioned the decision briefly, but surely if you do not understand the position then you are allowed to do that, and he is not being charged with saying anything out of turn and so if he did question the decision he did not do so in an offensive way.
I think that Watford should certainly appeal against this latest charge, which they must do before midday today (Thursday) and also ask for the whole incident to be looked at again.
If Styles ever comes back to referee Watford, home or away, then the fans should let him know what we think about him. I would like to see people try to throw out the whole of the Watford fan contingent in one go for the use of foul language!!
The FA need to get a grip as Mr Styles is close to bringing the game into disrepute.
What is going on? We have a situation where virtually all the players on the field could not believe it was a red card in the first place and now this. If the FA support this charge then it would suggest that there is something seriously wrong with the game today - some might go as far as to suggest there is a conspiracy theory in place. Does Styles suggest that the player sees the red card and then sprints off? Does he think that the player, who looked shocked at the decision and didn't seem to take it in at first, should have taken the card on board immediately and just walked - if things come as a shock to you it is not always possible to react immediately. I only saw it on the TV, but from what I saw Eustace was off the pitch before Richard Cresswell had got to his feet and was in position for the resulting free kick. So there was additional diruption to play. Eustace may have questioned the decision briefly, but surely if you do not understand the position then you are allowed to do that, and he is not being charged with saying anything out of turn and so if he did question the decision he did not do so in an offensive way.
I think that Watford should certainly appeal against this latest charge, which they must do before midday today (Thursday) and also ask for the whole incident to be looked at again.
If Styles ever comes back to referee Watford, home or away, then the fans should let him know what we think about him. I would like to see people try to throw out the whole of the Watford fan contingent in one go for the use of foul language!!
The FA need to get a grip as Mr Styles is close to bringing the game into disrepute.
Posted by: Hexham Hornet, Hexham on 10:31am Thu 20 Mar 08
I meant that there was NO additional disruption to play. I can't tupe properlt when I am angry!!
I meant that there was NO additional disruption to play. I can't tupe properlt when I am angry!!
Posted by: gilesy97, SURBITON on 10:48am Thu 20 Mar 08
Its a ridiculous situation , I agree with above , STYLES should be removed.In actual fact , Eustace as captain is the ONLY player supposedly allowed to question the referee in the new climate...so he was justified in ANY querying the decision.
Worryingly too is the Daily Express slant on the club this week. Mick Dennis the football correspondent wwas at the match....saying that the match should have been sent to Beijing , saying that we would be the worst teams ever in the premiership...saying we cannot fill the ground , and the East stand was empty ( Mondays express). Yesterdays paper he rants on about Styles and the abuse of referees...using the Stoke game he says "Watford fans reacted with casual hatred ..vicious and sustained"He thenhas a go and what has been said on various message boards.." vile , biased rantings of low lifes..hiding behind pseudonymes onmessage boards".He then states that the watching Graham Poll was abused . I was there , NO he wasn't , he was asked his opinion and chose ( for once ) to say nowt.So in a week he's slagged of the team , the manager and the support...his name MICK DENNIS of the Daily Express.
Mark
Its a ridiculous situation , I agree with above , STYLES should be removed.In actual fact , Eustace as captain is the ONLY player supposedly allowed to question the referee in the new climate...so he was justified in ANY querying the decision.
Worryingly too is the Daily Express slant on the club this week. Mick Dennis the football correspondent wwas at the match....saying that the match should have been sent to Beijing , saying that we would be the worst teams ever in the premiership...saying we cannot fill the ground , and the East stand was empty ( Mondays express). Yesterdays paper he rants on about Styles and the abuse of referees...using the Stoke game he says "Watford fans reacted with casual hatred ..vicious and sustained"He thenhas a go and what has been said on various message boards.." vile , biased rantings of low lifes..hiding behind pseudonymes onmessage boards".He then states that the watching Graham Poll was abused . I was there , NO he wasn't , he was asked his opinion and chose ( for once ) to say nowt.So in a week he's slagged of the team , the manager and the support...his name MICK DENNIS of the Daily Express.
Mark
Posted by: JRW1979, Birmingham on 11:27am Thu 20 Mar 08
I'm sorry but I've seen the incident and what was Eustace doing kicking the guy in the nuts?
I hate Styles but John had no place leaving his foot in like that. I think this extra charge is OTT but its not all his fault.
I'm sorry but I've seen the incident and what was Eustace doing kicking the guy in the nuts?
I hate Styles but John had no place leaving his foot in like that. I think this extra charge is OTT but its not all his fault.
Posted by: James, Watford on 11:29am Thu 20 Mar 08
This just about sums up how much of a c**t Styles is. The only person that should be getting banned at all is "Mr Centre of Attention"!!
This just about sums up how much of a c**t Styles is. The only person that should be getting banned at all is "Mr Centre of Attention"!!
Posted by: andy, oxhey on 12:01pm Thu 20 Mar 08
The Red Card issue is done and dusted, as Watford not appealing the straight red. On the subsequent charge, Eustace did not protest to Styles, but did hang around and was consulled by Stoke players on the way off the field. From memory the injured player was still receiving treatment after Eustace was off the field of play. Surely that is the pouint for appeal? Styles was very picky, with for example the location of throw ins. So maybe he works to set times for breaks of play. Also surely a point is the length of added time noted by 4th official, it was three minutes - was that excessive? Without Eustace, Watford will need to get somene in on loan before 27th - Gravesen from Everton for 5 games!
The Red Card issue is done and dusted, as Watford not appealing the straight red. On the subsequent charge, Eustace did not protest to Styles, but did hang around and was consulled by Stoke players on the way off the field. From memory the injured player was still receiving treatment after Eustace was off the field of play. Surely that is the pouint for appeal? Styles was very picky, with for example the location of throw ins. So maybe he works to set times for breaks of play. Also surely a point is the length of added time noted by 4th official, it was three minutes - was that excessive? Without Eustace, Watford will need to get somene in on loan before 27th - Gravesen from Everton for 5 games!
Posted by: andy, oxhey on 12:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
On Mick Dennis - does he work for the same EXpress group that made up stories about the McCain family and just paid £half a million in compensation?
On Mick Dennis - does he work for the same EXpress group that made up stories about the McCain family and just paid £half a million in compensation?
Posted by: neville on 12:09pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Agree with Andy. If we lose Eustace for five games, we will need a loan replacement of similar stature. Promotion is at stake here! Eustace is a key player, and probably our best performer since he signed. Gravesen from Everton would be great, but is he available?
Agree with Andy. If we lose Eustace for five games, we will need a loan replacement of similar stature. Promotion is at stake here! Eustace is a key player, and probably our best performer since he signed. Gravesen from Everton would be great, but is he available?
Posted by: Barabbas, Watford on 1:49pm Thu 20 Mar 08
They may as well go ahead and contest the decision- if he's out for 5 games he may as well be out for the final 3. However if they successfully appeal he's back in three games time. I've never known a referee to be so perniciously evil as Rob Styles- what is he getting out of this apart from notoriety? Perhaps it's just another page in his biography when he retires, or an amusing anecdote on the after dinner circuit?
They may as well go ahead and contest the decision- if he's out for 5 games he may as well be out for the final 3. However if they successfully appeal he's back in three games time. I've never known a referee to be so perniciously evil as Rob Styles- what is he getting out of this apart from notoriety? Perhaps it's just another page in his biography when he retires, or an amusing anecdote on the after dinner circuit?
Posted by: Des, Hatch End on 2:01pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I find it hard to believe that any fair minded person objects to the red card.
It was a horrible challenge and fully deserving of a 3 match ban.
I'm not going to defend a pampered footballer who:
1)commits such an offence in the first place
2)then acts like a petulant child and doesn't leave the field of play.
If a player at any other club had acted in a similar manner we would,rightly,be castigating them.
Eustace has been excellent since he joined us and we will certainly miss him.However I'm not going to defend the indefensible.
I find it hard to believe that any fair minded person objects to the red card.
It was a horrible challenge and fully deserving of a 3 match ban.
I'm not going to defend a pampered footballer who:
1)commits such an offence in the first place
2)then acts like a petulant child and doesn't leave the field of play.
If a player at any other club had acted in a similar manner we would,rightly,be castigating them.
Eustace has been excellent since he joined us and we will certainly miss him.However I'm not going to defend the indefensible.
Posted by: Hexham Hornet, Hexham on 2:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
JRW1979, I agree the challenge on the tv looked like it could be worthy of a red, but it was not as blatant as Rooney's recent lunge and he stayed on the pitch. The latest action by Styles is ludicrous and should be thrown out. I don't know if WFC have appealed and will be upset if they don't. Styles fall in to the same school as Peter Walton, Andy D'Urso, Chris Foy and Mike Riley, as being inconsistent and fussy. I think it is wrong of James to call Styles a c**t, because they are useful!!
JRW1979, I agree the challenge on the tv looked like it could be worthy of a red, but it was not as blatant as Rooney's recent lunge and he stayed on the pitch. The latest action by Styles is ludicrous and should be thrown out. I don't know if WFC have appealed and will be upset if they don't. Styles fall in to the same school as Peter Walton, Andy D'Urso, Chris Foy and Mike Riley, as being inconsistent and fussy. I think it is wrong of James to call Styles a c**t, because they are useful!!
Posted by: The enlightened one, Garston on 2:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
The man is a Toepunt.
Posted by: JohnBoy, Watford on 2:30pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Des[/bold] wrote:
I find it hard to believe that any fair minded person objects to the red card. It was a horrible challenge and fully deserving of a 3 match ban. I'm not going to defend a pampered footballer who: 1)commits such an offence in the first place 2)then acts like a petulant child and doesn't leave the field of play. If a player at any other club had acted in a similar manner we would,rightly,be castigating them. Eustace has been excellent since he joined us and we will certainly miss him.However I'm not going to defend the indefensible.[/quote] Perhaps you and the FA should take a look at Ashley Cole's behaviour last night. The challenge was as bad, only got a yellow and Cole being the c**t he is showed a total lack of respect to the ref.
Des wrote:
I find it hard to believe that any fair minded person objects to the red card. It was a horrible challenge and fully deserving of a 3 match ban. I'm not going to defend a pampered footballer who: 1)commits such an offence in the first place 2)then acts like a petulant child and doesn't leave the field of play. If a player at any other club had acted in a similar manner we would,rightly,be castigating them. Eustace has been excellent since he joined us and we will certainly miss him.However I'm not going to defend the indefensible.
Perhaps you and the FA should take a look at Ashley Cole's behaviour last night. The challenge was as bad, only got a yellow and Cole being the c**t he is showed a total lack of respect to the ref.
Posted by: Hexham Hornet, Hexham on 2:39pm Thu 20 Mar 08
JRW1979, I agree the challenge on the tv looked like it could be worthy of a red, but it was not as blatant as Rooney's recent lunge and he stayed on the pitch. The latest action by Styles is ludicrous and should be thrown out. I don't know if WFC have appealed and will be upset if they don't. Styles fall in to the same school as Peter Walton, Andy D'Urso, Chris Foy and Mike Riley, as being inconsistent and fussy. I think it is wrong of James to call Styles a c**t, because they are useful!!
JRW1979, I agree the challenge on the tv looked like it could be worthy of a red, but it was not as blatant as Rooney's recent lunge and he stayed on the pitch. The latest action by Styles is ludicrous and should be thrown out. I don't know if WFC have appealed and will be upset if they don't. Styles fall in to the same school as Peter Walton, Andy D'Urso, Chris Foy and Mike Riley, as being inconsistent and fussy. I think it is wrong of James to call Styles a c**t, because they are useful!!
Posted by: JimBob, Watford on 2:56pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]JRW1979[/bold] wrote:
I'm sorry but I've seen the incident and what was Eustace doing kicking the guy in the nuts?
I hate Styles but John had no place leaving his foot in like that. I think this extra charge is OTT but its not all his fault.[/quote] You think he kicked him in the nuts? Time for you to have your eyes tested!
Quite clearly, when slowed down, Eustace leads with his studs (because - shock horror - that's the only way to win the ball there) but as soon as Cresswell flicks the ball away he pulls his leg back and collides with Cresswell, striking him with his knee in the thigh. It's a yellow card because it's late but no way in a month of Sundays should that be a red card.
Eustace didn't 'leave his foot in'. In fact he does the exact opposite and pulls it back. Actually watch an incident properly before commenting on it in future!
JRW1979 wrote:
I'm sorry but I've seen the incident and what was Eustace doing kicking the guy in the nuts?
I hate Styles but John had no place leaving his foot in like that. I think this extra charge is OTT but its not all his fault.
You think he kicked him in the nuts? Time for you to have your eyes tested!
Quite clearly, when slowed down, Eustace leads with his studs (because - shock horror - that's the only way to win the ball there) but as soon as Cresswell flicks the ball away he pulls his leg back and collides with Cresswell, striking him with his knee in the thigh. It's a yellow card because it's late but no way in a month of Sundays should that be a red card.
Eustace didn't 'leave his foot in'. In fact he does the exact opposite and pulls it back. Actually watch an incident properly before commenting on it in future!
Posted by: chris, the vic on 3:26pm Thu 20 Mar 08
We have wasted enough time on both Rob Styles and Mick Dennis.
Neither see the whole picture they dont want to, if the FA move against John Eustace so be it. The FA know it is one rule for the likes of Ashley Cole, Rooney etc and another for the likes of John Eustace.
Even if Styles was correct with the red card, which I question, the remainder of his display spoke volumes regarding his inability to referee a game, and Mick dennis felt he had refereed bravely and fairly and was professional. Mick dennis obviously is a friend of Styles or knows little about football even though he claims to be the voice of football.
If you want to know more about him go to the Express web site and read his infamous article in defence of Styles.
Either way we need to buckle down and get behind the lads like there is no tomorrow.
We have wasted enough time on both Rob Styles and Mick Dennis.
Neither see the whole picture they dont want to, if the FA move against John Eustace so be it. The FA know it is one rule for the likes of Ashley Cole, Rooney etc and another for the likes of John Eustace.
Even if Styles was correct with the red card, which I question, the remainder of his display spoke volumes regarding his inability to referee a game, and Mick dennis felt he had refereed bravely and fairly and was professional. Mick dennis obviously is a friend of Styles or knows little about football even though he claims to be the voice of football.
If you want to know more about him go to the Express web site and read his infamous article in defence of Styles.
Either way we need to buckle down and get behind the lads like there is no tomorrow.
Posted by: neville on 3:41pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Aidy has appealed against this ludicrous decision, and the hearing is set for next Tuesday. He is confident of winning this appeal according to the WFC website. Let us hope he is right, for to lose Eustace for five games would be a disaster!
Aidy has appealed against this ludicrous decision, and the hearing is set for next Tuesday. He is confident of winning this appeal according to the WFC website. Let us hope he is right, for to lose Eustace for five games would be a disaster!
Posted by: Winston, watford on 4:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
talk about double standards - Eustace gets two extra games - yet Asley Cole who clearly ignore the ref is to get no further action?
talk about double standards - Eustace gets two extra games - yet Asley Cole who clearly ignore the ref is to get no further action?
Posted by: Scotshorn, Aberdeen on 5:20pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Winston[/bold] wrote:
talk about double standards - Eustace gets two extra games - yet Asley Cole who clearly ignore the ref is to get no further action?[/quote] Not only re Ashley Cole - what about Martin Taylor? He half-crippled Eduardo, argued the toss with the ref & (potentially) gets a lesser sentence. There's are certainly some double standards in the world of football. Chris of the Vic is right though - no point in crying into your beer over it as that wont change anything. We just have to knuckle down, put up with it & get on with it.
Don't agree with others about Gravesen though - a waste of space in my opinion. We'd be better off with what we already have - Rinaldi/Aloi/Bangura etc. Why employ them if they are not going to be used?
Winston wrote:
talk about double standards - Eustace gets two extra games - yet Asley Cole who clearly ignore the ref is to get no further action?
Not only re Ashley Cole - what about Martin Taylor? He half-crippled Eduardo, argued the toss with the ref & (potentially) gets a lesser sentence. There's are certainly some double standards in the world of football. Chris of the Vic is right though - no point in crying into your beer over it as that wont change anything. We just have to knuckle down, put up with it & get on with it.
Don't agree with others about Gravesen though - a waste of space in my opinion. We'd be better off with what we already have - Rinaldi/Aloi/Bangura etc. Why employ them if they are not going to be used?
Posted by: sage, mids on 6:33pm Thu 20 Mar 08
poor challenge was a yellow but hard to argue re red--must contest further charge
JE caught the guy on the THIGH--dont know where your nuts are mate!
poor challenge was a yellow but hard to argue re red--must contest further charge
JE caught the guy on the THIGH--dont know where your nuts are mate!
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 6:50pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Not everyone has a Peanut, sage!
Not everyone has a Peanut, sage!
Posted by: EXEMPLAR, The Pub on 7:39pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]VoR[/bold] wrote:
Not everyone has a Peanut, sage![/quote] Is there any hope of you growing up?
VoR wrote:
Not everyone has a Peanut, sage!
Is there any hope of you growing up?
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 7:45pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I'm trying, give me time, but there's always a dig at the end of sages posts, can't help me self!
There is no way WFC will make it to the automatic...There are simply not enough goals in this team, despite what Aidy says!!!
I'm trying, give me time, but there's always a dig at the end of sages posts, can't help me self!
There is no way WFC will make it to the automatic...There are simply not enough goals in this team, despite what Aidy says!!!
Posted by: nathan ellington, Watford on 9:22pm Thu 20 Mar 08
i'm keeping an eye on this so called EXEMPLAR. reckon he's one of sage's multiple personalities.
This team will start scoring soon.
CJ showing signs of improvement--DH giving 100%-goals coming--defence looks sound
i'm keeping an eye on this so called EXEMPLAR. reckon he's one of sage's multiple personalities.
This team will start scoring soon.
CJ showing signs of improvement--DH giving 100%-goals coming--defence looks sound
Posted by: sage, mids on 10:01pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]nathan ellington[/bold] wrote:
i'm keeping an eye on this so called EXEMPLAR. reckon he's one of sage's multiple personalities. This team will start scoring soon. CJ showing signs of improvement--DH giving 100%-goals coming--defence looks sound [/quote] ER Pot Kettle Black--Nonce ELLIETHICKO ?
nathan ellington wrote:
i'm keeping an eye on this so called EXEMPLAR. reckon he's one of sage's multiple personalities. This team will start scoring soon. CJ showing signs of improvement--DH giving 100%-goals coming--defence looks sound
ER Pot Kettle Black--Nonce ELLIETHICKO ?
Posted by: sage, mids on 10:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Vor --is it not just a couple of days ago you agreed with my forecast that us & Stoke will do it? or was that your other self?
Vor --is it not just a couple of days ago you agreed with my forecast that us & Stoke will do it? or was that your other self?
Posted by: sage, mids on 10:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Vor --is it not just a couple of days ago you agreed with my forecast that us & Stoke will do it? or was that your other self?
Vor --is it not just a couple of days ago you agreed with my forecast that us & Stoke will do it? or was that your other self?
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 10:11pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Yes you are quite correct sage, i did but since i've just come to realise, once I'd taken off my glasses, that I really do not think we have goals in us anymore, hence scorelines of late, I feel gone are the days we can spank 4 passed a team, either home or away.....
Sheff Utd comes to mind.
It's just how I feel at the moment, I hope that changes after Saturday, i really do.
Yes you are quite correct sage, i did but since i've just come to realise, once I'd taken off my glasses, that I really do not think we have goals in us anymore, hence scorelines of late, I feel gone are the days we can spank 4 passed a team, either home or away.....
Sheff Utd comes to mind.
It's just how I feel at the moment, I hope that changes after Saturday, i really do.
Posted by: sage, mids on 10:12pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Hey VOR just checked 8.18pm LAST NIGHT U forecast Stoke & us!
what `s changed? Jesus I knew you were argumentative but now U R doing it with yourself--or is it your other mind--Nonce ELLIthicko?
Hey VOR just checked 8.18pm LAST NIGHT U forecast Stoke & us!
what `s changed? Jesus I knew you were argumentative but now U R doing it with yourself--or is it your other mind--Nonce ELLIthicko?
Posted by: neville on 10:07am Fri 21 Mar 08
Hey VoR, no one is spanking anyone at the moment, except for Hull's 5-0 win over Soton.
One goal wins are enough at this stage of the season. Just look at the goal differences of the top teams except WBA.
One goal should be enough at Plymouth tomorrow with our now very excellent defence.
Aidy hints at Douglas Rinaldi playing a part tomorrow. That would be a novelty, but a very welcome and overdue one.
Hey VoR, no one is spanking anyone at the moment, except for Hull's 5-0 win over Soton.
One goal wins are enough at this stage of the season. Just look at the goal differences of the top teams except WBA.
One goal should be enough at Plymouth tomorrow with our now very excellent defence.
Aidy hints at Douglas Rinaldi playing a part tomorrow. That would be a novelty, but a very welcome and overdue one.
Posted by: jbi46, hilltop on 10:21am Fri 21 Mar 08
JimBob is right about what happened. I sit right there in Lower Rous and saw it clearly. I haven't seen the TV footage but it must have been misleading. The people all around me were already protesting when we thought it was going to be a yellow! All the referee had to do was think before reacting--why would JE do anything vicious or deliberate to stop a ball going out practically on the halfway line in the first half with the score 0-0 against a player he presumably used to captain? Two more matches banned for being slow to get off the pitch in those circumstances? Just the referee's pettimindedness.
JimBob is right about what happened. I sit right there in Lower Rous and saw it clearly. I haven't seen the TV footage but it must have been misleading. The people all around me were already protesting when we thought it was going to be a yellow! All the referee had to do was think before reacting--why would JE do anything vicious or deliberate to stop a ball going out practically on the halfway line in the first half with the score 0-0 against a player he presumably used to captain? Two more matches banned for being slow to get off the pitch in those circumstances? Just the referee's pettimindedness.
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 10:22am Fri 21 Mar 08
The game's today innit Nev?
I do agree re- goals per game but when Aidy comes out and splurts the idea "we're gonna score a hat full soon"
just doesn't bare relevance. DH is not prolific, NE doesn't like getting into the box, no end product to JM, TS form has dropped off, never scored a lot anyway, it seems to me we are reliant on CJ? Hmmm, the only way we're gonna score more than 1 is when DS scores from a corner!
6 more days until loan signing window closes, If we don't get anyone, we're aint going to make it!!
Again this game today has 0-0 written all over it :-(
The game's today innit Nev?
I do agree re- goals per game but when Aidy comes out and splurts the idea "we're gonna score a hat full soon"
just doesn't bare relevance. DH is not prolific, NE doesn't like getting into the box, no end product to JM, TS form has dropped off, never scored a lot anyway, it seems to me we are reliant on CJ? Hmmm, the only way we're gonna score more than 1 is when DS scores from a corner!
6 more days until loan signing window closes, If we don't get anyone, we're aint going to make it!!
Again this game today has 0-0 written all over it :-(
Posted by: neville on 10:45am Fri 21 Mar 08
No VoR, the game is tomorrow. One goal is enough at this stage of the season, and I fancy us for a narrow win at Home Park on Saturday.
No VoR, the game is tomorrow. One goal is enough at this stage of the season, and I fancy us for a narrow win at Home Park on Saturday.
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 10:56am Fri 21 Mar 08
Ofcourse It is Nev....Sorry gotten confused coz of Easter and having a day off... senior (sage) moment!!and coz I'm having to miss the Plymouth game.
Can't believe Plymouth are doing so well after they've flogged all their best players, agree....will be tight, still 0-0 for me, great news regarding Rinaldi, I hadn't heard!!
Ofcourse It is Nev....Sorry gotten confused coz of Easter and having a day off... senior (sage) moment!!and coz I'm having to miss the Plymouth game.
Can't believe Plymouth are doing so well after they've flogged all their best players, agree....will be tight, still 0-0 for me, great news regarding Rinaldi, I hadn't heard!!
Posted by: sage, mids on 11:01am Fri 21 Mar 08
With Imposters & more idiots than good contributors I give up --ANY FURTHER POSTINGS WILL BE IMPOSTERS!
Colin,johnboy knob,NONCE ELLITHICKO-Prof Prat-oztwat & especially VOR YOU BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING--A HELL OF A BEATING!
With Imposters & more idiots than good contributors I give up --ANY FURTHER POSTINGS WILL BE IMPOSTERS!
Colin,johnboy knob,NONCE ELLITHICKO-Prof Prat-oztwat & especially VOR YOU BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING--A HELL OF A BEATING!
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 11:14am Fri 21 Mar 08
Don't be daft (again)..sage
Don't be daft (again)..sage
Posted by: neville on 11:23am Fri 21 Mar 08
I hope Sage does not leave this site, for I like his insight and useful comments.
If you VoR, stick to football comments, you are helpful to this site. But stop baiting poor old Sage!
If he leaves, this site will be the worse for it. Can we please stick to WFC and football related issues. I can understand why Sage gets sick of some of the moronic comments posted on here.
Anyway, back to football. It is still a one goal win at Plymouth for me. And I hope Aidy is true to his word and gives Rinaldi a run out.
I hope Sage does not leave this site, for I like his insight and useful comments.
If you VoR, stick to football comments, you are helpful to this site. But stop baiting poor old Sage!
If he leaves, this site will be the worse for it. Can we please stick to WFC and football related issues. I can understand why Sage gets sick of some of the moronic comments posted on here.
Anyway, back to football. It is still a one goal win at Plymouth for me. And I hope Aidy is true to his word and gives Rinaldi a run out.
Posted by: yellafella on 11:49am Fri 21 Mar 08
Neville,I agree with your entire post.
Neville,I agree with your entire post.
Posted by: Solihull Hornet, Birmingham on 11:54am Fri 21 Mar 08
Yet more proof that it's one rule for smaller clubs. Ashley Cole basically told the ref to f' off after a disgraceful challenge midweek and didn't get a red never mind this type of additional charge. Will never change but hurts when it could cost you promotion.
Yet more proof that it's one rule for smaller clubs. Ashley Cole basically told the ref to f' off after a disgraceful challenge midweek and didn't get a red never mind this type of additional charge. Will never change but hurts when it could cost you promotion.
Posted by: yellafella on 12:48pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Scotshorn[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Winston[/bold] wrote: talk about double standards - Eustace gets two extra games - yet Asley Cole who clearly ignore the ref is to get no further action?[/quote] Not only re Ashley Cole - what about Martin Taylor? He half-crippled Eduardo, argued the toss with the ref & (potentially) gets a lesser sentence. There's are certainly some double standards in the world of football. Chris of the Vic is right though - no point in crying into your beer over it as that wont change anything. We just have to knuckle down, put up with it & get on with it. Don't agree with others about Gravesen though - a waste of space in my opinion. We'd be better off with what we already have - Rinaldi/Aloi/Bangura etc. Why employ them if they are not going to be used?[/quote] Scotshorn your comments re Taylor are disgraceful--no intent at all.
Scotshorn wrote:
Winston wrote: talk about double standards - Eustace gets two extra games - yet Asley Cole who clearly ignore the ref is to get no further action?
Not only re Ashley Cole - what about Martin Taylor? He half-crippled Eduardo, argued the toss with the ref & (potentially) gets a lesser sentence. There's are certainly some double standards in the world of football. Chris of the Vic is right though - no point in crying into your beer over it as that wont change anything. We just have to knuckle down, put up with it & get on with it. Don't agree with others about Gravesen though - a waste of space in my opinion. We'd be better off with what we already have - Rinaldi/Aloi/Bangura etc. Why employ them if they are not going to be used?
Scotshorn your comments re Taylor are disgraceful--no intent at all.
Posted by: mellow_yellow, watford on 2:01pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Can we make sure, if we are going to appeal the ban regarding Eustace, that at the same time we put in a request that Rob Styles never, ever officiates a Watford match again?!... Knowing our luck we'll end up in the Play-off final with him in charge.
(And yes, there does seem to be a different rule applied to clubs like Chelsea, than to most others)
Keep the faith for tomorrow. Maybe we should get The Boozer back for a loan spell! ;o)
Can we make sure, if we are going to appeal the ban regarding Eustace, that at the same time we put in a request that Rob Styles never, ever officiates a Watford match again?!... Knowing our luck we'll end up in the Play-off final with him in charge.
(And yes, there does seem to be a different rule applied to clubs like Chelsea, than to most others)
Keep the faith for tomorrow. Maybe we should get The Boozer back for a loan spell! ;o)
Posted by: Scotshorn, Aberdeen on 2:50pm Fri 21 Mar 08
yellafella - I'm not quite sure what you mean about my comments re Taylor being disgraceful.I was simply trying to point out that the potential is there for JE to receive a harsher punishment than Taylor for what was a far lesser crime. I never even mentioned anything about intent - which was absent in both cases. Both players committed clumsy challenges (one with serious consequences), both argued the outcome with the ref - JE's perogative as captain - yet they get different punishments. To my mind, that is indicative of referees applying double standards in their dealings with players at different levels. How else could you explain a 5 week ban for one and only 3 weeks for the other?
yellafella - I'm not quite sure what you mean about my comments re Taylor being disgraceful.I was simply trying to point out that the potential is there for JE to receive a harsher punishment than Taylor for what was a far lesser crime. I never even mentioned anything about intent - which was absent in both cases. Both players committed clumsy challenges (one with serious consequences), both argued the outcome with the ref - JE's perogative as captain - yet they get different punishments. To my mind, that is indicative of referees applying double standards in their dealings with players at different levels. How else could you explain a 5 week ban for one and only 3 weeks for the other?
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 3:33pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Sage.....U changed into a yella.....fella!!
Sage.....U changed into a yella.....fella!!
Posted by: yellafella on 5:08pm Fri 21 Mar 08
S Horn--you mentioned the injury "half crippled"--which would only matter if there was intent otherwise irrelevant--and he did leave the field as soon as he was sent off,when you said he did not I think. taylor has been used as shorthand by all sorts of people when talking abour red cards--I think it is a very poor show frankly and a bad parallel to draw,
Vor--please do not start your nonsense with me,I have no interest--I was one of the very first posters on the relaunched site before going abroad for a while but an happy not to bother again if it means having to deal with you and your ilk
S Horn--you mentioned the injury "half crippled"--which would only matter if there was intent otherwise irrelevant--and he did leave the field as soon as he was sent off,when you said he did not I think. taylor has been used as shorthand by all sorts of people when talking abour red cards--I think it is a very poor show frankly and a bad parallel to draw,
Vor--please do not start your nonsense with me,I have no interest--I was one of the very first posters on the relaunched site before going abroad for a while but an happy not to bother again if it means having to deal with you and your ilk
Posted by: sage, mids on 7:17pm Fri 21 Mar 08
loan signing is a must-loss of JE is massive
loan signing is a must-loss of JE is massive
Posted by: sage, mids on 7:20pm Fri 21 Mar 08
loan signing is imperative-JE is a massive loss
loan signing is imperative-JE is a massive loss
Posted by: sage, mids on 7:21pm Fri 21 Mar 08
loan signing is imperative-JE is a massive loss
loan signing is imperative-JE is a massive loss
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 7:36pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Charltons draw with WBA is a great result, prefered at Charlton win but hey!
Could go top tomorrow, here's hoping....DS headed corner for me.
You going sage?
Charltons draw with WBA is a great result, prefered at Charlton win but hey!
Could go top tomorrow, here's hoping....DS headed corner for me.
You going sage?
Posted by: Colin, st albans on 12:50am Sat 22 Mar 08
Styles is a nasty little cuunt and the dark hearts in the dark suits at the FA are just as bad..ruthless old men who have never kicked a ball in their lives...bit like Simpson.
However, the real issue here is why, as a supposed automatic promotion contender, we are so dependent on one player. If the manager had got his finger out earlier - i.e. pre-season - and singed some decent players, then we would not be in this position.
What replacements do wew have now? An escaped asylum seeker, a kid, and a useless donkey from the lower divisions. Sorry Boofers, but you totally **** up in pre-season and now you are paying the price.
If we dont go up - and lets face it it aint going to happen - then we must look to the management, rather than to that horrible little prat styles.
Styles is a nasty little cuunt and the dark hearts in the dark suits at the FA are just as bad..ruthless old men who have never kicked a ball in their lives...bit like Simpson.
However, the real issue here is why, as a supposed automatic promotion contender, we are so dependent on one player. If the manager had got his finger out earlier - i.e. pre-season - and singed some decent players, then we would not be in this position.
What replacements do wew have now? An escaped asylum seeker, a kid, and a useless donkey from the lower divisions. Sorry Boofers, but you totally **** up in pre-season and now you are paying the price.
If we dont go up - and lets face it it aint going to happen - then we must look to the management, rather than to that horrible little prat styles.
Posted by: Drinker on 9:07am Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]sage[/bold] wrote:
loan signing is imperative-JE is a massive loss[/quote] Imposter-you could at least copy Sage`s style!
sage wrote:
loan signing is imperative-JE is a massive loss
Imposter-you could at least copy Sage`s style!
Posted by: hornet jack, leeds on 11:11am Wed 26 Mar 08
with eustace out then the path is clear for hull city to wup watford on saturday then go on and win the league automatically. how many tickets have hull given us for the game does any one know.and is it all ticket there is no info on the official site.
with eustace out then the path is clear for hull city to wup watford on saturday then go on and win the league automatically. how many tickets have hull given us for the game does any one know.and is it all ticket there is no info on the official site.
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