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Labour loses to BNP in South Oxhey
The British National Party (BNP) has won one seat and narrowly missed out on winning another in Three Rivers District Council.
The far right party won the Ashridge seat, with BNP candidate Padraic Dunn receiving 282 votes.
His nearest challenger was Conservative Yessica Gould with 264 votes. Labour party candidate, Nena Spellen, received 244 votes.
Kerron Cross, Labour Party group leader fended off BNP candidate, Deidre Gates, by just 14 votes to retain his Hayling Ward seat. He collected 234 votes.
The Northwick Ward seat was won by two votes.
Conservative Party candidate, Malcolm Butwick collected 284 votes.
Len Tippen from the Labour Party collected 282 votes.
The BNP won the Ashridge seat with the victory of Padraic Dunne, who received 282 votes.
His nearest challenger was Conservative Yessica Gould with 264 votes.
Labour party candidate, Nena Spellen, received 244 votes.
The Mill End and Maplecross seat was held by Liberal Democrat Councillor Peter Wakeling with 774 votes.
Two seats were up in Rickmansworth, the first was held by Conservative Party group leader, David Sampson with 879 votes.
The Chorleywood East seat was held by Conservative Chris Hayward with 1015 votes and the Carpenders Park seat was held by the Liberal Democrat Party when Geoff Dunne was re-elected with 985 votes.
Croxley Green's Liberal Democrat Brian Norman held his seat with 833 votes.
Results:
Abbots Langley
MAJOR David Liberal Democrat 904 ELECTED
MEHTA Jeannie Henderson Labour 99
WOODARD Andy Conservative 387
Turnout 37.58 per cent
Ashridge
DUNNE Padraic British National Party 282 ELECTED
GOULD Yessica Conservative 264
SHANKS Andrew Jonathan UK Independence Party 44
SPELLEN Nena Labour 244
Turnout 32.08 per cent
Carpenders Park
DUNNE Geoff Liberal Democrat 985 ELECTED
LEWELL Craig Conservative 663
O'BRIEN Brendan Labour 99
Turnout 44.16 per cent
Chorleywood East
HAYWARD Chris Conservative 1015 ELECTED
MAHON-DALY Frank Liberal Democrat 228
Turnout 37.90 per cent
Chorleywood West
ARTHY Bob Conservative 1059
DAVIES Harry Liberal Democrat 1238 ELECTED
MCINTOSH Karen Ruth Labour 62
Turnout 55.99 per cent
Croxley Green
ENGLEFIELD Mark Conservative 647
HOLMES Roger Warwick English Democrats 152
NORMAN Brian Richard Liberal Democrat 833 ELECTED
Turnout 38.61 per cent
Hayling
CROSS Kerron James Labour & Co-operative 234 ELECTED
EVANS Richard Martin UK Independence Party 30
GATES Deirdre Anne British National Party 220
LOWES David John Liberal Democrat 55
WORRALL Jacqueline Conservative 186
Turnout 28.64 per cent
Langleybury
COX Stephen Labour 119
LAMBERT Margaret Catherine Conservative 257
WHATELY-SMITH Chris Liberal Democrat 802 ELECTED
Turnout 32.93 per cent
Leavesden
BARTRICK Sue Liberal Democrat 807 ELECTED
GRAY Colin James Labour 72
HAWES Christopher Conservative 242
Turnout 27.90 per cent
Maple Cross & Mill End
MCGOWAN James Alexander Robert Conservative 466
WAKELING Peter Liberal Democrat 774 ELECTED
Turnout 30.97 per cent
Moor Park & Eastbury
AITMAN Gabriel Liberal Democrat 368
MEDIRATTA Amrit Conservative 1206 ELECTED
Turnout 35.90 per cent
Northwick
ASQUITH Jeremy Liberal Democrat 276
BUTWICK Malcolm Conservative 284 ELECTED
TIPPEN Len Labour 282
Turnout 23.91 per cent
Oxhey Hall
BECKETT Leslie Labour 55
SCARTH Alison Liberal Democrat 593 ELECTED
WILLIAMS David Conservative 328
Turnout 38.29 per cent
Penn
GREEN Maximin Ernest Conservative 310
NELMES Sarah Jane Liberal Democrat 441 ELECTED
Turnout 30.16 per cent
Rickmansworth
HISCOCKS Paula Elizabeth Conservative 957 ELECTED
HUMPHREYS Anthony Richard Liberal Democrat 310
SANSOM David Norman Roger Conservative 879 ELECTED
SWAINSON Jill Marguerite Liberal Democrat 292
Turnout 37.83 per cent
Rickmansworth West
HOWELL Patricia Liberal Democrat 386
SMITH Russell Owen Conservative 885 ELECTED
Turnout 46.05 per cent
1:03pm Friday 2nd May 2008
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CommentPosted by: JohnBoy, Watford on 2:51pm Fri 2 May 08
282 people in Ashridge should be ashamed of themselves
282 people in Ashridge should be ashamed of themselves
Posted by: denise, Watford on 3:51pm Fri 2 May 08
Why should they be?
Posted by: Casual Observer on 4:21pm Fri 2 May 08
Because they have wasted their votes on an ignorant Nazi - I would have thought that was obvious to anyone with half a brain?
Because they have wasted their votes on an ignorant Nazi - I would have thought that was obvious to anyone with half a brain?
Posted by: skint, South Oxhey on 4:29pm Fri 2 May 08
If almost 70% of them cant be bothered to vote then they deserve what they get
If almost 70% of them cant be bothered to vote then they deserve what they get
Posted by: Nik, Hunton Bridge on 6:59pm Fri 2 May 08
I am appalled that residents of South Oxhey have seen fit to turn their back on Labour candidate Nina Spellan who has served the community tirelessly for many, many years and elect a BNP candidate. I can only hope that Three Rivers councillors of Labour, LibDem and Tory persuasion refuse to work with a representative of a party that promotes bigotry, racism and community disharmony.
I am appalled that residents of South Oxhey have seen fit to turn their back on Labour candidate Nina Spellan who has served the community tirelessly for many, many years and elect a BNP candidate. I can only hope that Three Rivers councillors of Labour, LibDem and Tory persuasion refuse to work with a representative of a party that promotes bigotry, racism and community disharmony.
Posted by: OxheyMoron, oxhey on 10:04pm Fri 2 May 08
To quote my mum when I told her ''I knew there are lots of stupid people in south oxhey..but I didnt think there was that many'' LibDems traditionally do quite well here, I wonder how much their candidate pulling out at the last minute had to do with BNP getting all these extra votes?
To quote my mum when I told her ''I knew there are lots of stupid people in south oxhey..but I didnt think there was that many'' LibDems traditionally do quite well here, I wonder how much their candidate pulling out at the last minute had to do with BNP getting all these extra votes?
Posted by: Spencer Agneau, Sarratt on 11:00pm Fri 2 May 08
282 voted for BNP and 552 voted against. Shows the inadequacy of our voting system. Not really a true reflection for the residents of South Oxhey.
282 voted for BNP and 552 voted against. Shows the inadequacy of our voting system. Not really a true reflection for the residents of South Oxhey.
Posted by: South Oxhey Citizen, South Oxhey on 11:25pm Fri 2 May 08
OK; I'm apalled at this result. But what does it actually mean?? What innfluence, what powers and what decisions can this BNP candidate exercise over South Oxhey? Does anyone actually know? What does gaining this seat really MEAN? They're not going to stop a single Pole or Lithuanian from living in South Oxhey are they? They're not going to make black people leave South Oxhey are they? And thank god. Because this area will thrive and prosper, and delight in the great mix of people, and their characters and values, just like we always have here. Despite what people from surrounding areas may perceive; onevof South Oxhey's great strengths has been that it's people recognise goodness, decency and directness in all people, from all background, whether Black, Indian, Irish or European. That's my experience since 1970 living here, and LONG MAY THAT CONTINUE.
OK; I'm apalled at this result. But what does it actually mean?? What innfluence, what powers and what decisions can this BNP candidate exercise over South Oxhey? Does anyone actually know? What does gaining this seat really MEAN? They're not going to stop a single Pole or Lithuanian from living in South Oxhey are they? They're not going to make black people leave South Oxhey are they? And thank god. Because this area will thrive and prosper, and delight in the great mix of people, and their characters and values, just like we always have here. Despite what people from surrounding areas may perceive; onevof South Oxhey's great strengths has been that it's people recognise goodness, decency and directness in all people, from all background, whether Black, Indian, Irish or European. That's my experience since 1970 living here, and LONG MAY THAT CONTINUE.
Posted by: Joshua on 11:28pm Fri 2 May 08
These responses are just nasty. Calling the people of South Oxhey ignorant and shameful for voting for a party you disagree with? They have every right to make their demands heard. Perhaps if the other parties tending to the needs of native Brits better there would be no need for a BNP vote, but people still have the right to vote for any legal party they chose to.
Besides, who resembles the Nazi's more: pro-immigration groups who would bring about the eventual extinction of Indigenous Brits or the BNP who simply want to stop further immigration and preserve their heritage.
These responses are just nasty. Calling the people of South Oxhey ignorant and shameful for voting for a party you disagree with? They have every right to make their demands heard. Perhaps if the other parties tending to the needs of native Brits better there would be no need for a BNP vote, but people still have the right to vote for any legal party they chose to.
Besides, who resembles the Nazi's more: pro-immigration groups who would bring about the eventual extinction of Indigenous Brits or the BNP who simply want to stop further immigration and preserve their heritage.
Posted by: OxheyMoron, oxhey on 12:30am Sat 3 May 08
Well said South Oxhey Citizen.. as another proud resident of SOxhey...I find some ofthese posts here patronising in teh extreme, talking about us as if we were somekind of group to be pitied! Thelittle close i live in has polish, indian, romanian, irish, ghanain, oh and there may be a white english too!!! Long may it continue!
Well said South Oxhey Citizen.. as another proud resident of SOxhey...I find some ofthese posts here patronising in teh extreme, talking about us as if we were somekind of group to be pitied! Thelittle close i live in has polish, indian, romanian, irish, ghanain, oh and there may be a white english too!!! Long may it continue!
Posted by: meridanny, watford on 6:40am Sat 3 May 08
The reason the BNP got in is they listened to public opinion.If the bigger parties took a leaf out of the BNP's book,maybe they would have fared better.Councillors need to listen and learn,or a lot more of this will happen and its no good bleeting on about the peole who elect them as it is their democratic RIGHT to decide a councillor for THEIR ward.Look at Claire Ward,i think she is the biggest waste of space but i have to deal with it,thats democracy for ya.Maybe life in Oxhey is a litmus test for us all...........
The reason the BNP got in is they listened to public opinion.If the bigger parties took a leaf out of the BNP's book,maybe they would have fared better.Councillors need to listen and learn,or a lot more of this will happen and its no good bleeting on about the peole who elect them as it is their democratic RIGHT to decide a councillor for THEIR ward.Look at Claire Ward,i think she is the biggest waste of space but i have to deal with it,thats democracy for ya.Maybe life in Oxhey is a litmus test for us all...........
Posted by: watfordboy, watford on 7:53am Sat 3 May 08
This is called giving the main parties a kick in the minimals!!
People are fed up of the utter arrogance of the "big three" parties. All the leaflets I recieved concerning the election from these parties just focused on how bad the others were and what they had done wrong. Nothing positive comes from them. We live in a DEMOCRACY.If people want to vote BNP they can, doesn't mean they are morons, just because you dont agree with their point of view.
If that was the case then London must be full of morons who voted in Boris Johnson!!!!
Here is to four years of fun and ****-ups in our capital. I bet Gordon Brown is secretly happy
This is called giving the main parties a kick in the minimals!!
People are fed up of the utter arrogance of the "big three" parties. All the leaflets I recieved concerning the election from these parties just focused on how bad the others were and what they had done wrong. Nothing positive comes from them. We live in a DEMOCRACY.If people want to vote BNP they can, doesn't mean they are morons, just because you dont agree with their point of view.
If that was the case then London must be full of morons who voted in Boris Johnson!!!!
Here is to four years of fun and ****-ups in our capital. I bet Gordon Brown is secretly happy
Posted by: Mike Ribble, Watford on 9:44am Sat 3 May 08
As Winston Churchill once siad 'Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.'
Problem is it's a blunt instrument. Voters in London may have wanted to punish Gordon Brown or didn't like Ken's paternity record or disliked the congestion charge or bendy buses but whatever the individual reasons the result is the same - victory for Boris which many may come to regret.
Similarly there will be many reasons why individuals voted for the BNP and some have been mentioned already but the result is the same.
The BNP do listen to the local community and then appeal to people's fears and ignorance but they don't serve the community well by doing so. The only way to stop their rise is to challenge and confront them and expose their true nature. That's a job not just for the other parties but for everyone.
As Winston Churchill once siad 'Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.'
Problem is it's a blunt instrument. Voters in London may have wanted to punish Gordon Brown or didn't like Ken's paternity record or disliked the congestion charge or bendy buses but whatever the individual reasons the result is the same - victory for Boris which many may come to regret.
Similarly there will be many reasons why individuals voted for the BNP and some have been mentioned already but the result is the same.
The BNP do listen to the local community and then appeal to people's fears and ignorance but they don't serve the community well by doing so. The only way to stop their rise is to challenge and confront them and expose their true nature. That's a job not just for the other parties but for everyone.
Posted by: Steve, Abbots Langley on 12:46pm Sat 3 May 08
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
Posted by: OxheyMoron, oxhey on 1:06pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?[/quote] As i understand it...he is separating from his wife and that is the reason he withdrew. Big shame...as I know of many people that were going to vote for him.
Steve wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
As i understand it...he is separating from his wife and that is the reason he withdrew. Big shame...as I know of many people that were going to vote for him.
Posted by: tallgreengiant, watford on 1:25pm Sat 3 May 08
...and as to the election of Boris: Last person to leave London: don't bother to switch off the lightbulb - just continue to waste and pollute as you do because with Boris its back to business as usual - release the brake on car mania as congestion charge is removed; abandon the £250k cycle superhighway and fume away!!!!
...and as to the election of Boris: Last person to leave London: don't bother to switch off the lightbulb - just continue to waste and pollute as you do because with Boris its back to business as usual - release the brake on car mania as congestion charge is removed; abandon the £250k cycle superhighway and fume away!!!!
Posted by: Hemel, Hemel on 2:11pm Sat 3 May 08
We the silent majority do have qualms re mass immigration and the BNP address our concerns, you cannot just shut us up, we have a voice, you complainers come across as the bigots on here.
We the silent majority do have qualms re mass immigration and the BNP address our concerns, you cannot just shut us up, we have a voice, you complainers come across as the bigots on here.
Posted by: VoR, watford on 3:19pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]OxheyMoron[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?[/quote] As i understand it...he is separating from his wife and that is the reason he withdrew. Big shame...as I know of many people that were going to vote for him.[/quote] Wouldn't that make him more happy, have less grief and being more contented??
Can't see your point OM
OxheyMoron wrote:
Steve wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
As i understand it...he is separating from his wife and that is the reason he withdrew. Big shame...as I know of many people that were going to vote for him.
Wouldn't that make him more happy, have less grief and being more contented??
Can't see your point OM
Posted by: Poetic licence on 5:05pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]JohnBoy[/bold] wrote:
282 people in Ashridge should be ashamed of themselves[/quote] I cannot conceive of ever voting BNP or of being as ignorant & arrogant as this judgemental fool of a poster.
It is called democracy you superior git!
JohnBoy wrote:
282 people in Ashridge should be ashamed of themselves
I cannot conceive of ever voting BNP or of being as ignorant & arrogant as this judgemental fool of a poster.
It is called democracy you superior git!
Posted by: Jacques, Watford on 8:13pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?[/quote] So what exactly is your point here Steve?
That Geoff Dunne is a closet Nazi? In which case produce the evidence to back this up.
Or possibly that people with the same surname are likely to have similar political views? In which case I wonder whether Colin Cox, the BNP candidate for the Scottish parliament is related to Steve Cox the Abbots Langley Labour party activist. Or possibly if Mike Jackson, the chairman of Watford Labour Party might be related to Christian Jackson, the BNP parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn.
And in any case would it matter if these Dunnes, Coxes and Jacksons were related? Does it make someone a bad person if one of their relatives is a Fascist, no matter what their own views are?
Most of us in the political mainstream -whatever our party loyalty - are shocked and disappointed that a Fascist has won in this part of Hertfordshire.
It's sad that you just see it as chance to smear a political opponent.
Steve wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
So what exactly is your point here Steve?
That Geoff Dunne is a closet Nazi? In which case produce the evidence to back this up.
Or possibly that people with the same surname are likely to have similar political views? In which case I wonder whether Colin Cox, the BNP candidate for the Scottish parliament is related to Steve Cox the Abbots Langley Labour party activist. Or possibly if Mike Jackson, the chairman of Watford Labour Party might be related to Christian Jackson, the BNP parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn.
And in any case would it matter if these Dunnes, Coxes and Jacksons were related? Does it make someone a bad person if one of their relatives is a Fascist, no matter what their own views are?
Most of us in the political mainstream -whatever our party loyalty - are shocked and disappointed that a Fascist has won in this part of Hertfordshire.
It's sad that you just see it as chance to smear a political opponent.
Posted by: Spencer Agneau, Sarratt on 10:17pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Hemel[/bold] wrote:
We the silent majority do have qualms re mass immigration and the BNP address our concerns, you cannot just shut us up, we have a voice, you complainers come across as the bigots on here.[/quote] How can 282 people be the silent majority? Get real, your living in a day dream!!!!!!!!
Hemel wrote:
We the silent majority do have qualms re mass immigration and the BNP address our concerns, you cannot just shut us up, we have a voice, you complainers come across as the bigots on here.
How can 282 people be the silent majority? Get real, your living in a day dream!!!!!!!!
Posted by: OxheyMoron, oxhey on 11:04pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]VoR[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]OxheyMoron[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote: Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?[/quote] As i understand it...he is separating from his wife and that is the reason he withdrew. Big shame...as I know of many people that were going to vote for him.[/quote] Wouldn't that make him more happy, have less grief and being more contented?? Can't see your point OM [/quote] Cheeky!! I was just offering up the reason the candidate withdrew.
VoR wrote:
OxheyMoron wrote: Steve wrote: Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
As i understand it...he is separating from his wife and that is the reason he withdrew. Big shame...as I know of many people that were going to vote for him.
Wouldn't that make him more happy, have less grief and being more contented?? Can't see your point OM
Cheeky!! I was just offering up the reason the candidate withdrew.
Posted by: Darren, Canada on 2:08am Sun 4 May 08
Imagine drawing a chalk line across a school blackboard. Above the line write interest, contact, dialogue, understanding and finally tolerance. Beneath it write dis-interest, shun, suspicion, anger and finally hate. We can all choose a path and I think that the latter is what some of the BNP and other right-wing voters do. It seems there is little learned from the Nazi era and some still think that attacking certain races will solve certain things. Hitler did not get that right and these guys don't either. In addition they always seem to lack having any actual policies or ways of building something constructive - other than often resulting to threats of violence.
Imagine drawing a chalk line across a school blackboard. Above the line write interest, contact, dialogue, understanding and finally tolerance. Beneath it write dis-interest, shun, suspicion, anger and finally hate. We can all choose a path and I think that the latter is what some of the BNP and other right-wing voters do. It seems there is little learned from the Nazi era and some still think that attacking certain races will solve certain things. Hitler did not get that right and these guys don't either. In addition they always seem to lack having any actual policies or ways of building something constructive - other than often resulting to threats of violence.
Posted by: meridanny on 5:38am Sun 4 May 08
"In addition they always seem to lack having any actual policies or ways of building something constructive - other than often resulting to threats of violence."
A bit like the labour party then.We all remember them using the prevention of terrorism act to keep hecklers away from their conference a few years ago resulting in a 70 odd year old Labour Party member being manhandled and assaulted by his own for uttering "shame on you"
As for having no real policies,whats the difference in having no policies or having policies and not achieving them?The results the same apart from the total waste of billions trying to implement them?As for attacking races,this government attacks its own..nuff said
"In addition they always seem to lack having any actual policies or ways of building something constructive - other than often resulting to threats of violence."
A bit like the labour party then.We all remember them using the prevention of terrorism act to keep hecklers away from their conference a few years ago resulting in a 70 odd year old Labour Party member being manhandled and assaulted by his own for uttering "shame on you"
As for having no real policies,whats the difference in having no policies or having policies and not achieving them?The results the same apart from the total waste of billions trying to implement them?As for attacking races,this government attacks its own..nuff said
Posted by: Spencer Agneau, Sarratt on 9:45am Sun 4 May 08
[quote][bold]meridanny[/bold] wrote:
The reason the BNP got in is they listened to public opinion.If the bigger parties took a leaf out of the BNP's book,maybe they would have fared better.Councillors need to listen and learn,or a lot more of this will happen and its no good bleeting on about the peole who elect them as it is their democratic RIGHT to decide a councillor for THEIR ward.Look at Claire Ward,i think she is the biggest waste of space but i have to deal with it,thats democracy for ya.Maybe life in Oxhey is a litmus test for us all...........[/quote] You must be joking. A recent survey by Three Rivers found that a large majority of residents were happy with the way TR Council is run (public opinion), and this is born out by the elections, they didn't loose a seat. The BNP just appealed to a minority of 282, there were 552 who didn't vote for the BNP. This shows the complete inadequacy of our voting system. I bet in a Proportional Representative system the majority would not have put BNP as their second choice. It would then have been a far better representation of the feelings of South Oxhey residents
meridanny wrote:
The reason the BNP got in is they listened to public opinion.If the bigger parties took a leaf out of the BNP's book,maybe they would have fared better.Councillors need to listen and learn,or a lot more of this will happen and its no good bleeting on about the peole who elect them as it is their democratic RIGHT to decide a councillor for THEIR ward.Look at Claire Ward,i think she is the biggest waste of space but i have to deal with it,thats democracy for ya.Maybe life in Oxhey is a litmus test for us all...........
You must be joking. A recent survey by Three Rivers found that a large majority of residents were happy with the way TR Council is run (public opinion), and this is born out by the elections, they didn't loose a seat. The BNP just appealed to a minority of 282, there were 552 who didn't vote for the BNP. This shows the complete inadequacy of our voting system. I bet in a Proportional Representative system the majority would not have put BNP as their second choice. It would then have been a far better representation of the feelings of South Oxhey residents
Posted by: meridanny on 6:40am Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Spencer Agneau[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]meridanny[/bold] wrote:
The reason the BNP got in is they listened to public opinion.If the bigger parties took a leaf out of the BNP\'s book,maybe they would have fared better.Councillors need to listen and learn,or a lot more of this will happen and its no good bleeting on about the peole who elect them as it is their democratic RIGHT to decide a councillor for THEIR ward.Look at Claire Ward,i think she is the biggest waste of space but i have to deal with it,thats democracy for ya.Maybe life in Oxhey is a litmus test for us all...........[/quote] You must be joking. A recent survey by Three Rivers found that a large majority of residents were happy with the way TR Council is run (public opinion), and this is born out by the elections, they didn\'t loose a seat. The BNP just appealed to a minority of 282, there were 552 who didn\'t vote for the BNP. This shows the complete inadequacy of our voting system. I bet in a Proportional Representative system the majority would not have put BNP as their second choice. It would then have been a far better representation of the feelings of South Oxhey residents [/quote] One man,one vote....Any other way is just smoke and mirrors.If its a dead heat...spin a coin
Spencer Agneau wrote:
meridanny wrote:
The reason the BNP got in is they listened to public opinion.If the bigger parties took a leaf out of the BNP\'s book,maybe they would have fared better.Councillors need to listen and learn,or a lot more of this will happen and its no good bleeting on about the peole who elect them as it is their democratic RIGHT to decide a councillor for THEIR ward.Look at Claire Ward,i think she is the biggest waste of space but i have to deal with it,thats democracy for ya.Maybe life in Oxhey is a litmus test for us all...........
You must be joking. A recent survey by Three Rivers found that a large majority of residents were happy with the way TR Council is run (public opinion), and this is born out by the elections, they didn\'t loose a seat. The BNP just appealed to a minority of 282, there were 552 who didn\'t vote for the BNP. This shows the complete inadequacy of our voting system. I bet in a Proportional Representative system the majority would not have put BNP as their second choice. It would then have been a far better representation of the feelings of South Oxhey residents
One man,one vote....Any other way is just smoke and mirrors.If its a dead heat...spin a coin
Posted by: Steve, Abbots Langley on 9:33pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Jacques[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote: Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?[/quote] So what exactly is your point here Steve? That Geoff Dunne is a closet Nazi? In which case produce the evidence to back this up. Or possibly that people with the same surname are likely to have similar political views? In which case I wonder whether Colin Cox, the BNP candidate for the Scottish parliament is related to Steve Cox the Abbots Langley Labour party activist. Or possibly if Mike Jackson, the chairman of Watford Labour Party might be related to Christian Jackson, the BNP parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn. And in any case would it matter if these Dunnes, Coxes and Jacksons were related? Does it make someone a bad person if one of their relatives is a Fascist, no matter what their own views are? Most of us in the political mainstream -whatever our party loyalty - are shocked and disappointed that a Fascist has won in this part of Hertfordshire. It's sad that you just see it as chance to smear a political opponent.[/quote] I'm not actually trying to smear anyone. It just simply odd and unusual to have two councillors elected who live in the same ward who have the same surname (after all standing for election is not everyone's cup of tea). I remember another local paper ran a very good and interesting piece last year about husbands and wives, mother and son etc. standing for election. My point is I think the Watford Observer's election coverage such as it was this year was rather poor and superficial.
Jacques wrote:
Steve wrote: Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
So what exactly is your point here Steve? That Geoff Dunne is a closet Nazi? In which case produce the evidence to back this up. Or possibly that people with the same surname are likely to have similar political views? In which case I wonder whether Colin Cox, the BNP candidate for the Scottish parliament is related to Steve Cox the Abbots Langley Labour party activist. Or possibly if Mike Jackson, the chairman of Watford Labour Party might be related to Christian Jackson, the BNP parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn. And in any case would it matter if these Dunnes, Coxes and Jacksons were related? Does it make someone a bad person if one of their relatives is a Fascist, no matter what their own views are? Most of us in the political mainstream -whatever our party loyalty - are shocked and disappointed that a Fascist has won in this part of Hertfordshire. It's sad that you just see it as chance to smear a political opponent.
I'm not actually trying to smear anyone. It just simply odd and unusual to have two councillors elected who live in the same ward who have the same surname (after all standing for election is not everyone's cup of tea). I remember another local paper ran a very good and interesting piece last year about husbands and wives, mother and son etc. standing for election. My point is I think the Watford Observer's election coverage such as it was this year was rather poor and superficial.
Posted by: Middle of the Road, Watford on 5:47pm Wed 7 May 08
For all those individuals criticising the BNP, why don't you have a go at a real fascist party. One that will send you to an illegal war on a lie that has killed thousands of people, taxed you to poverty, produced an increased crime wave and given you mass unfettered and unrestricted immigration which has proved to be an economic lie and has presided over a debt fuelled economy calling it prudence. Ah yes, that is the respectable Labour Party.
For all those individuals criticising the BNP, why don't you have a go at a real fascist party. One that will send you to an illegal war on a lie that has killed thousands of people, taxed you to poverty, produced an increased crime wave and given you mass unfettered and unrestricted immigration which has proved to be an economic lie and has presided over a debt fuelled economy calling it prudence. Ah yes, that is the respectable Labour Party.
Posted by: Middle of the Road, Watford on 5:55pm Wed 7 May 08
For all those individuals criticising the BNP, why don't you have a go at a real fascist party. One that will send you to an illegal war on a lie that has killed thousands of people, taxed you to poverty, produced an increased crime wave and given you mass unfettered and unrestricted immigration which has proved to be an economic lie and has presided over a debt fuelled economy calling it prudence. Ah yes, that is the respectable Labour Party.
For all those individuals criticising the BNP, why don't you have a go at a real fascist party. One that will send you to an illegal war on a lie that has killed thousands of people, taxed you to poverty, produced an increased crime wave and given you mass unfettered and unrestricted immigration which has proved to be an economic lie and has presided over a debt fuelled economy calling it prudence. Ah yes, that is the respectable Labour Party.
Posted by: PineLodgeDweller, Watford on 5:36pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]Jacques[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?[/quote] So what exactly is your point here Steve?
That Geoff Dunne is a closet Nazi? In which case produce the evidence to back this up.
Or possibly that people with the same surname are likely to have similar political views? In which case I wonder whether Colin Cox, the BNP candidate for the Scottish parliament is related to Steve Cox the Abbots Langley Labour party activist. Or possibly if Mike Jackson, the chairman of Watford Labour Party might be related to Christian Jackson, the BNP parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn.
And in any case would it matter if these Dunnes, Coxes and Jacksons were related? Does it make someone a bad person if one of their relatives is a Fascist, no matter what their own views are?
Most of us in the political mainstream -whatever our party loyalty - are shocked and disappointed that a Fascist has won in this part of Hertfordshire.
It's sad that you just see it as chance to smear a political opponent.[/quote] I deplore the BNP and everything they stand for as much as many others who have commented here, however it is deeply insulting - and more than a little undignified - to label Mr Dunne a "Facist" when he is not.
Whatever you political persuasion, having far-right views or sympathies does not automatically make a person a Facist. Rightly or wrongly, Mr Dunne has been democratically elected and should no more be considered "fair game" for comments as offensive as this as any other political figure.
Jacques, no doubt you like to think of yourself as a very fair, "right on" person - shame on you.
Jacques wrote:
Steve wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Democrat candidate withdrawing in Ashridge was most odd. It is a pity the Watford Observer as the local newspaper didn't see fit to investigate this extremely unusual and therefore newsworthy event. It certainly affected the outcome in that ward. After all he's stood for election before and taken the trouble to get his nomination paper signed by 10 residents? I think he owes the local people an explanation as to why he stood down? The result means there is now a second Councillor Dunne on Three Rivers council I wonder if they are related?
So what exactly is your point here Steve?
That Geoff Dunne is a closet Nazi? In which case produce the evidence to back this up.
Or possibly that people with the same surname are likely to have similar political views? In which case I wonder whether Colin Cox, the BNP candidate for the Scottish parliament is related to Steve Cox the Abbots Langley Labour party activist. Or possibly if Mike Jackson, the chairman of Watford Labour Party might be related to Christian Jackson, the BNP parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn.
And in any case would it matter if these Dunnes, Coxes and Jacksons were related? Does it make someone a bad person if one of their relatives is a Fascist, no matter what their own views are?
Most of us in the political mainstream -whatever our party loyalty - are shocked and disappointed that a Fascist has won in this part of Hertfordshire.
It's sad that you just see it as chance to smear a political opponent.
I deplore the BNP and everything they stand for as much as many others who have commented here, however it is deeply insulting - and more than a little undignified - to label Mr Dunne a "Facist" when he is not.
Whatever you political persuasion, having far-right views or sympathies does not automatically make a person a Facist. Rightly or wrongly, Mr Dunne has been democratically elected and should no more be considered "fair game" for comments as offensive as this as any other political figure.
Jacques, no doubt you like to think of yourself as a very fair, "right on" person - shame on you.
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