Bid to save historic pub from demolition (From Watford Observer)

I thought that building was locally listed along with the Railway?

Rule of thumb- if its a pub with a carpark then its at risk from greedy developers, and these developers wont be satisied untill there are no pubs left ! shame on Labour and the Tories for not protecting our local pubs from greedy speculators!

The right of appeal ......... oh no ...... the WBC Planning Officers will have to think about their decision and have more work to do ......... oh well, might as well throw in the towel now and expend effort to reach a decision against objectors, who have no third party right of appeal ....... no brainer really.

Iain Sharpe ......... Go Clarkie 750.

Maybe Cllr sharpe or Clarkie to his one friend could list farm terrace allotments that have been in continuous since 1896. Lots of old Watford is under threat but our lib dems choose to replace a green space with concrete. Shame on them

Yet ANOTHER piece of watfords past under threat! Are we not allowed to keep any of our past? I understand times change, but Watford is being swallowed by developers building overpriced shoeboxes. No doubt our useless council/mayoress will intervene and help it happen. R.I.P to the watford we all knew and loved.....

One of the remaining Benskins pubs and part of our local heritage. Well done Watford Borough Council. You have made the right decision (for once).

Im sure we are all well aware that most pubs aren't great moneymakers in this current climate, so i expect everyone that comments against this to actually frequent the pub and make it a worthwhile building to keep.

Maceo & Fred wrote:
Maybe Cllr sharpe or Clarkie to his one friend could list farm terrace allotments that have been in continuous since 1896. Lots of old Watford is under threat but our lib dems choose to replace a green space with concrete. Shame on them

You only seem to comment on the allotments. What about the Vic? That is already 'concrete'.
Or are you only interested in the part of old Watford that affects you personally?

If so, shame on YOU.

LSC wrote:

Maceo & Fred wrote:
Maybe Cllr sharpe or Clarkie to his one friend could list farm terrace allotments that have been in continuous since 1896. Lots of old Watford is under threat but our lib dems choose to replace a green space with concrete. Shame on them

You only seem to comment on the allotments. What about the Vic? That is already 'concrete'.
Or are you only interested in the part of old Watford that affects you personally?

If so, shame on YOU.

Thank you and yes. Being an allotment holder at farm terrace in my part of west Watford I am doing all can to help preserve a well used and old green space. Perhaps you don't visit west Watford to often as your obviously a lib dem supporter. If you look on google earth, type in west Watford (are you still with me or am I going too fast for you). As you correctly state lots of concrete, densely populated and not much green space that is worth saving. Apologies next time that I step over the border to lib dem land.

Interesting that no press release on the plans to convert the Bedford Arms in Langley Road into nine flats. No doubt if the Victoria building facade was retained and extended then (like the Bedford Arms plans) the council would be quite happy?

Maceo & Fred wrote:

LSC wrote:

Maceo & Fred wrote:
Maybe Cllr sharpe or Clarkie to his one friend could list farm terrace allotments that have been in continuous since 1896. Lots of old Watford is under threat but our lib dems choose to replace a green space with concrete. Shame on them

You only seem to comment on the allotments. What about the Vic? That is already 'concrete'.
Or are you only interested in the part of old Watford that affects you personally?

If so, shame on YOU.

Thank you and yes. Being an allotment holder at farm terrace in my part of west Watford I am doing all can to help preserve a well used and old green space. Perhaps you don't visit west Watford to often as your obviously a lib dem supporter. If you look on google earth, type in west Watford (are you still with me or am I going too fast for you). As you correctly state lots of concrete, densely populated and not much green space that is worth saving. Apologies next time that I step over the border to lib dem land.

It's just not farm terrace allotments that is under threat by this ungratefully council / developers. It's also our local green space, our Oxhey and Riverside Parks. Both will be destroyed & covered over with concrete / tar.

But all we hear is farm terrace this, farm terrace that and sod all about our parks interests. As this green space was here before Watford was built.

Save Farm Terrace, save the Victoria and save Watford from greedy developers.

Of course it doesn't help when the local council is in bed with the greedy developers like Dotty and Mabel (or whatever Sharpie calls him/herself) are over Farm Terrace allotments.

Who wants to live in a town where there are only new houses and flats? Save our character or we might as well all give up and move away.

Maceo & Fred wrote:

LSC wrote:

Maceo & Fred wrote:
Maybe Cllr sharpe or Clarkie to his one friend could list farm terrace allotments that have been in continuous since 1896. Lots of old Watford is under threat but our lib dems choose to replace a green space with concrete. Shame on them

You only seem to comment on the allotments. What about the Vic? That is already 'concrete'.
Or are you only interested in the part of old Watford that affects you personally?

If so, shame on YOU.

Thank you and yes. Being an allotment holder at farm terrace in my part of west Watford I am doing all can to help preserve a well used and old green space. Perhaps you don't visit west Watford to often as your obviously a lib dem supporter. If you look on google earth, type in west Watford (are you still with me or am I going too fast for you). As you correctly state lots of concrete, densely populated and not much green space that is worth saving. Apologies next time that I step over the border to lib dem land.

I'm far from a lib dem. I don't have or accept a label of any kind and look at each issue on its own merits.
I'm simply looking at this in a logical way.

Allotments aren't green, they are usually a sort of muddy brown. I'd suggest anyone using an allotment as a lawn with some trees on is missing the point.
They often also feature a cheap shed made in India and treated with chemicals that are highly damaging to the planet.

So don't play the 'green' card with me.

I have little opinion either way on the development itself, but I'll always call out a stupid argument. Like your 'well used' statement. The M25 is well used, is it counted as a Natural Treasure?

drunkenduck wrote:

Maceo & Fred wrote:

LSC wrote:

Maceo & Fred wrote:
Maybe Cllr sharpe or Clarkie to his one friend could list farm terrace allotments that have been in continuous since 1896. Lots of old Watford is under threat but our lib dems choose to replace a green space with concrete. Shame on them

You only seem to comment on the allotments. What about the Vic? That is already 'concrete'.
Or are you only interested in the part of old Watford that affects you personally?

If so, shame on YOU.

Thank you and yes. Being an allotment holder at farm terrace in my part of west Watford I am doing all can to help preserve a well used and old green space. Perhaps you don't visit west Watford to often as your obviously a lib dem supporter. If you look on google earth, type in west Watford (are you still with me or am I going too fast for you). As you correctly state lots of concrete, densely populated and not much green space that is worth saving. Apologies next time that I step over the border to lib dem land.

It's just not farm terrace allotments that is under threat by this ungratefully council / developers. It's also our local green space, our Oxhey and Riverside Parks. Both will be destroyed & covered over with concrete / tar.

But all we hear is farm terrace this, farm terrace that and sod all about our parks interests. As this green space was here before Watford was built.

And it wil be gone by the time the lib dems are finished with Watford

MarsLander wrote:
Save Farm Terrace, save the Victoria and save Watford from greedy developers. Of course it doesn't help when the local council is in bed with the greedy developers like Dotty and Mabel (or whatever Sharpie calls him/herself) are over Farm Terrace allotments. Who wants to live in a town where there are only new houses and flats? Save our character or we might as well all give up and move away.

This sums up the whole situation! i totally agree! Watford is currently being severely overdeveloped the planning control has no control! The town we know is being lost to overpriced rabbit hutch type flats,look at the Tower blocks from the 1960's that are now being demolished history shows us that people will not thrive living in such close quarters to each other especially when the flat next door is a sheet of plasterboard away.

MarsLander wrote:
Save Farm Terrace, save the Victoria and save Watford from greedy developers.

Of course it doesn't help when the local council is in bed with the greedy developers like Dotty and Mabel (or whatever Sharpie calls him/herself) are over Farm Terrace allotments.

Who wants to live in a town where there are only new houses and flats? Save our character or we might as well all give up and move away.

MarsLander, you're being too generous, not only are they in bed together, but its a four way incestuous relationship of Dotty, most Lib Dem Councillors, WBC planning officers and greedy developers. A five way might be possible in limited circumstances, with the Planning Inspectorate and a six way, with the Local Government Ombudsman, or are we in an orgy situation with five way and upwards?

The people that have to lie down in the massive 'wet patch' / live with the consequences afterwards are those with no third party rights, namely the objectors!

Keep Farm Terrace brothel free!

I go in the Vic occasionally and it's not a bad pub, but if I owned the building I'd want to make as much money as I could out of it.

As a local resident I would prefer that the pub was maintained, but I don't think it's fair to demonise developers. The reasons behind the demise of pubs is the tax on beer, the pubcos and the fact a lot of people prefer TV and Facebook to real society.

I spoke to someone the other day who talked about the funniest thing he had ever "seen" was on TV.

What a loser.

Why is anyone even allowed to think about building flats on such a dangerous, traffic hazardous, air polluted site? All the clap trap we have to endure about Health and Safety should at least protect us from this sort of thing.

crazyfrog says...
Rule of thumb- if its a pub with a car park then its at risk from greedy developers,
There is no car park there, just a space for 2 cars at a squeeze which then have to reverse out onto a busy road on a blind corner. As Miwe2 says it is a really bad spot to build a multi occupancy building, especially with the new huge development of flats on the old Taggers site just a few yards (or should that be Meters) away.