Free parking for disabled at Watford General Hospital scrapped

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Disabled people visiting Watford General Hospital will no longer be able to park for free, after the trust which runs the site scrapped the scheme in the interest of "fairness and equality".

From April, blue-badge holders will have to pay the same £4 minimum parking charge as any other visitors to West Herts NHS Hospitals Trust sites in Watford, St Albans and Hemel.

This is just months after the trust rejected Watford Borough Council’s calls for a lower, £2.50 minimum charge, because it was locked into a contract until 2015.

Leigh Hutchings, from Disability Watford, said: "I heard rumours about this but I didn’t think they’d actually do it.

"Disabled people are being squeezed enough as it is, what with being reassessed for benefits. People don’t realise how expensive being disabled is.

"Someone’s made a decision without thinking about the consequences. People won’t go to hospital as much as they need to.

"When people think of disability they only think of people in wheelchairs, but if you’ve got cancer and can’t breathe properly then you can’t walk very far either."

Mr Hutchings said Disability Watford was due to meet with the hospital trust to discuss the new fee.

He added: "We disagree with the fee, but we’ll wait and meet with them before launching any campaign against it. We’re not happy, but hopefully we can turn this around without any conflict."

In November the trust rejected Watford Borough Council’s recommendation to reduce the parking charge cut to £2.50, as it would be too costly to break its contract with CP Plus.

Mayor of Watford Dorothy Thornhill said: "I’m just staggered and I cannot believe the situation is so desperate that they have to do this. It’s a step too far.

"It’s such a bad PR move, parking is the one thing that people complain about constantly. I’d be asking if the negative PR warrants the financial benefit."

Currently the cheapest parking ticket at the Vicarage Road hospital is £4 for three hours, which drivers have to buy no matter how short their visit. After that motorists have to pay £6 for five hours or £12 to park all day.

Louise Gaffney, director of strategy and infrastructure, said: "This decision was not made lightly by the trust board.

"It will create fairness and equality for everyone needing to use the hospital car parks. Trust staff with a blue-badge are charged for parking on site.

Ms Gaffney said there will still be priority spaces for disabled visitors, discounts for frequently visitors, and free 30-minute bays.

She added: "Many other NHS Trusts and local authorities charge Blue Badge holders to use car parking facilities."

In December, trust director, Liz Rippon said no profit was made from car parking charges or fines.

This was after figures were obtained under the Freedom of Information act, showing how since 2008, more than 7,000 fines have been handed to drivers visiting relatives and loved ones in Watford General Hospital, costing £50,000.

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4:44pm Thu 24 Jan 13

crazyfrog says...

its disgusting to expect people who need to visit the hospital to pay these prices whoever signed that contract with the parking company needs a demotion to somewhere where they cant create any more problems.
its disgusting to expect people who need to visit the hospital to pay these prices whoever signed that contract with the parking company needs a demotion to somewhere where they cant create any more problems. crazyfrog
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4:57pm Thu 24 Jan 13

TRT says...

But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead?
But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead? TRT
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5:29pm Thu 24 Jan 13

MarsLander says...

Disgusting.

Someone needs to be sacked as an example to those that come after them.

Where does the NHS get these numbskulls from?
Disgusting. Someone needs to be sacked as an example to those that come after them. Where does the NHS get these numbskulls from? MarsLander
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5:46pm Thu 24 Jan 13

mightyombudsman says...

The main problem as I see it is the devaluation of the word disabled and the difficulty in understanding the shear numbers of so called disabled now in circulation in most high streets.
How long before a broken fingernail is a valid key to a sought after blue badge.
The main problem as I see it is the devaluation of the word disabled and the difficulty in understanding the shear numbers of so called disabled now in circulation in most high streets. How long before a broken fingernail is a valid key to a sought after blue badge. mightyombudsman
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5:48pm Thu 24 Jan 13

E.Coli says...

That will upset the local taxi driving community
That will upset the local taxi driving community E.Coli
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5:58pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Sara says...

TRT wrote:
But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead?
Three hours. And for free on some pay and display. So the streets will be more congested and disabled people will travel further from their vehicle.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead?[/p][/quote]Three hours. And for free on some pay and display. So the streets will be more congested and disabled people will travel further from their vehicle. Sara
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6:00pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Mohandas says...

crazyfrog wrote:
its disgusting to expect people who need to visit the hospital to pay these prices whoever signed that contract with the parking company needs a demotion to somewhere where they cant create any more problems.
totally agree.These immoral, insensitive, unethical exhorbitant charges are kick in the teeth for those who are ill and need regular visits to iad their recovery. Imagine the costs to ordinary people if they wish to visit for a short period every day for someone who is very ill. This uncaring hospital is simply taking advantage of vulnerable people thus creating a very sick situation. We need a sensitive charging system. With this attitude the allotment holders stand no chance.
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: its disgusting to expect people who need to visit the hospital to pay these prices whoever signed that contract with the parking company needs a demotion to somewhere where they cant create any more problems.[/p][/quote]totally agree.These immoral, insensitive, unethical exhorbitant charges are kick in the teeth for those who are ill and need regular visits to iad their recovery. Imagine the costs to ordinary people if they wish to visit for a short period every day for someone who is very ill. This uncaring hospital is simply taking advantage of vulnerable people thus creating a very sick situation. We need a sensitive charging system. With this attitude the allotment holders stand no chance. Mohandas
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6:00pm Thu 24 Jan 13

too true says...

I agree that people with a disabled badge should have to pay as much as anyone else. However, I think the fee should be lowered as £4 minimum is daylight robbery.

Many I know with a disabled badge are just as well off as those without so who says that having a disabled badge makes you poorer than those without?

If you did a comparison on the governments benefit checker website, you would find that in this current climate, those on benefits are often more well off than those who are working - including disability benefit. However, many of those with a disabled badge don't actually claim disability benefit - they are working or drawing a pension. - being disabled isn't more expensive than not, and being disabled doesn't mean you necessarily have less money than those who are not.

I think there should be fairness and equality. Having worked at Watford as non-hospital staff and had to pay £12 per day to park, I think that everyone should have to pay in terms of fairness and equality, but that the fee should be reassessed as people who are parking there aren't just parking for the fun of it - they are parking for a purpose and being exploited for doing so.
I agree that people with a disabled badge should have to pay as much as anyone else. However, I think the fee should be lowered as £4 minimum is daylight robbery. Many I know with a disabled badge are just as well off as those without so who says that having a disabled badge makes you poorer than those without? If you did a comparison on the governments benefit checker website, you would find that in this current climate, those on benefits are often more well off than those who are working - including disability benefit. However, many of those with a disabled badge don't actually claim disability benefit - they are working or drawing a pension. - being disabled isn't more expensive than not, and being disabled doesn't mean you necessarily have less money than those who are not. I think there should be fairness and equality. Having worked at Watford as non-hospital staff and had to pay £12 per day to park, I think that everyone should have to pay in terms of fairness and equality, but that the fee should be reassessed as people who are parking there aren't just parking for the fun of it - they are parking for a purpose and being exploited for doing so. too true
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6:10pm Thu 24 Jan 13

OAC Bailiff says...

bloody disgrace and people visiting terminaly ill family and friends dying have to pay to see there dying relatives fff ing disgusting
bloody disgrace and people visiting terminaly ill family and friends dying have to pay to see there dying relatives fff ing disgusting OAC Bailiff
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6:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

pr76uk says...

Most of the cars with blue badges I have seen are not the old runarounds but giant people-carriers, Mercs and 4x4's. Disabled doesn't mean poor by any means!
Most of the cars with blue badges I have seen are not the old runarounds but giant people-carriers, Mercs and 4x4's. Disabled doesn't mean poor by any means! pr76uk
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6:24pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Nightreader says...

Why should someone in full time employment and a brand new car get to park free when they come to visit someone? There are concessions, but until they sort out the ridiculous availability of a blue badge then I'm afraid they'll have to pay. Maybe if more places did this the draw of a blue badge wouldn't be so high? Being disabled doesn't mean you have a low income.
Why should someone in full time employment and a brand new car get to park free when they come to visit someone? There are concessions, but until they sort out the ridiculous availability of a blue badge then I'm afraid they'll have to pay. Maybe if more places did this the draw of a blue badge wouldn't be so high? Being disabled doesn't mean you have a low income. Nightreader
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6:25pm Thu 24 Jan 13

MarsLander says...

pr76uk wrote:
Most of the cars with blue badges I have seen are not the old runarounds but giant people-carriers, Mercs and 4x4's. Disabled doesn't mean poor by any means!
You must travel in different circles to me.

Are you seriously trying to say all disabled people are rich and drive flash cars? Ridiculous, as are these charges.
[quote][p][bold]pr76uk[/bold] wrote: Most of the cars with blue badges I have seen are not the old runarounds but giant people-carriers, Mercs and 4x4's. Disabled doesn't mean poor by any means![/p][/quote]You must travel in different circles to me. Are you seriously trying to say all disabled people are rich and drive flash cars? Ridiculous, as are these charges. MarsLander
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6:26pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Nightreader says...

OAC Bailiff wrote:
bloody disgrace and people visiting terminaly ill family and friends dying have to pay to see there dying relatives fff ing disgusting
Please look on the trust website - frequent visitors can get reduced and in some cases free permits.
[quote][p][bold]OAC Bailiff[/bold] wrote: bloody disgrace and people visiting terminaly ill family and friends dying have to pay to see there dying relatives fff ing disgusting[/p][/quote]Please look on the trust website - frequent visitors can get reduced and in some cases free permits. Nightreader
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6:45pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Wacko Jacko says...

This of course is entirely in the interests of equality, nothing to do with increasing revenue for the trust. Yeah right. Shameful.
This of course is entirely in the interests of equality, nothing to do with increasing revenue for the trust. Yeah right. Shameful. Wacko Jacko
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7:39pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Sara says...

pr76uk wrote:
Most of the cars with blue badges I have seen are not the old runarounds but giant people-carriers, Mercs and 4x4's. Disabled doesn't mean poor by any means!
Having been temporarily in a wheelchair for several months (but without a Blue Badge) most cars are unable to for a wheelchair in the boot.

Also when I was a wheelchair user, it was much easier to get in and out of a car with a higher driving position.

I personally have a small hatchback and I don't know anyone personally who has a large car and a Blue Badge. But some do obtain such cars on a Motability lease at no or little cost and I can see why it is reasonable for them to do so.
[quote][p][bold]pr76uk[/bold] wrote: Most of the cars with blue badges I have seen are not the old runarounds but giant people-carriers, Mercs and 4x4's. Disabled doesn't mean poor by any means![/p][/quote]Having been temporarily in a wheelchair for several months (but without a Blue Badge) most cars are unable to for a wheelchair in the boot. Also when I was a wheelchair user, it was much easier to get in and out of a car with a higher driving position. I personally have a small hatchback and I don't know anyone personally who has a large car and a Blue Badge. But some do obtain such cars on a Motability lease at no or little cost and I can see why it is reasonable for them to do so. Sara
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8:24pm Thu 24 Jan 13

MarsLander says...

Nightreader wrote:
OAC Bailiff wrote:
bloody disgrace and people visiting terminaly ill family and friends dying have to pay to see there dying relatives fff ing disgusting
Please look on the trust website - frequent visitors can get reduced and in some cases free permits.
More of a principled argument going on here about the rights and wrongs of parking charges for disabled and non-disabled alike.

The fact that there might just be a reduced charge for some people sometimes if they know how to apply for it hardly cuts the mustard.

I can't remember the last time I was on the trust website. In fact, I have never been on it. I never even knew there was one.

What would possess the man in the street to think there is a concession available through that website or any other?

Parking charges at the hospital are a disgrace. That means the people who agree this on behalf of the NHS are also a disgrace.

They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Nightreader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OAC Bailiff[/bold] wrote: bloody disgrace and people visiting terminaly ill family and friends dying have to pay to see there dying relatives fff ing disgusting[/p][/quote]Please look on the trust website - frequent visitors can get reduced and in some cases free permits.[/p][/quote]More of a principled argument going on here about the rights and wrongs of parking charges for disabled and non-disabled alike. The fact that there might just be a reduced charge for some people sometimes if they know how to apply for it hardly cuts the mustard. I can't remember the last time I was on the trust website. In fact, I have never been on it. I never even knew there was one. What would possess the man in the street to think there is a concession available through that website or any other? Parking charges at the hospital are a disgrace. That means the people who agree this on behalf of the NHS are also a disgrace. They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. MarsLander
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8:28pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Nightreader says...

The concessions are displayed on the pay machines at the trust, and on wards and public areas. Lots of people use the scheme.
The concessions are displayed on the pay machines at the trust, and on wards and public areas. Lots of people use the scheme. Nightreader
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9:54pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Mohandas says...

The moment people start showing a liitle bit of compassion eg visiting graves of loved ones, there will be some obnoxious insidious individual who in order to curry favour with their boss or promotion will think of some callous rationale to squeeze the last drop of humanity out of them with extortionate parking charges. These vultures are soooo clever.
The moment people start showing a liitle bit of compassion eg visiting graves of loved ones, there will be some obnoxious insidious individual who in order to curry favour with their boss or promotion will think of some callous rationale to squeeze the last drop of humanity out of them with extortionate parking charges. These vultures are soooo clever. Mohandas
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10:08pm Thu 24 Jan 13

pepsiman says...

We shouldn’t have to pay anything......... a lot of us paid National Insurance contributions for the last 30-50 years for free hospital, parking, prescriptions’ etc etc. Where’s our money gone and who do we sue for miss management of it?
We shouldn’t have to pay anything......... a lot of us paid National Insurance contributions for the last 30-50 years for free hospital, parking, prescriptions’ etc etc. Where’s our money gone and who do we sue for miss management of it? pepsiman
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10:16pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

SCRAP ALL HOSPITAL CAR PARK CHARGES NOW! OVER AND OUT!!!!!
SCRAP ALL HOSPITAL CAR PARK CHARGES NOW! OVER AND OUT!!!!! Hornets number 12 fan
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10:34pm Thu 24 Jan 13

LSC says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
SCRAP ALL HOSPITAL CAR PARK CHARGES NOW! OVER AND OUT!!!!!
This has come up before, and sadly it isn't that simple. A lot of the surrounding area requires permits etc.
A free public car park? Great, I'll buy 20 cars, put them on Ebay and park them up at the hospital until they sell.
I'll leave my car there on Match days; in fact, I'll go for a beer after the match and leave my car there until Monday.

It is the selfishness of people that has created this problem.
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: SCRAP ALL HOSPITAL CAR PARK CHARGES NOW! OVER AND OUT!!!!![/p][/quote]This has come up before, and sadly it isn't that simple. A lot of the surrounding area requires permits etc. A free public car park? Great, I'll buy 20 cars, put them on Ebay and park them up at the hospital until they sell. I'll leave my car there on Match days; in fact, I'll go for a beer after the match and leave my car there until Monday. It is the selfishness of people that has created this problem. LSC
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11:16pm Thu 24 Jan 13

HornetJJ says...

At the end of the day nobody wants to have to go to hospital but people need to whether able bodied or disabled. For that reason I don't see why able bodied people should be treated any differently. So if a charge must apply it should apply to all and vice versa!
At the end of the day nobody wants to have to go to hospital but people need to whether able bodied or disabled. For that reason I don't see why able bodied people should be treated any differently. So if a charge must apply it should apply to all and vice versa! HornetJJ
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12:21am Fri 25 Jan 13

drunkenduck says...

The answer is No and Yes.

No, disabled should get free parking at Watford General Hospital.

Yes, to those who abuse it. Having a disabled badge but themselves are "not" disabled and accept to get free parking.
The answer is No and Yes. No, disabled should get free parking at Watford General Hospital. Yes, to those who abuse it. Having a disabled badge but themselves are "not" disabled and accept to get free parking. drunkenduck
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9:09am Fri 25 Jan 13

jasonwatford says...

Watford General you disgust me....Just because some of you see disabled driver in new cars thats because they use their allowance to get the car , it does not mean they are loaded. Most disabled people cant work and get less money than most.
Watford General you disgust me....Just because some of you see disabled driver in new cars thats because they use their allowance to get the car , it does not mean they are loaded. Most disabled people cant work and get less money than most. jasonwatford
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9:33am Fri 25 Jan 13

TRT says...

HornetJJ wrote:
At the end of the day nobody wants to have to go to hospital but people need to whether able bodied or disabled. For that reason I don't see why able bodied people should be treated any differently. So if a charge must apply it should apply to all and vice versa!
But those with disabilities are not only more likely to be visiting the hospital but are less able to use other means of transport. Even though the proposed new train station will be DDA compliant, the roads and paths connecting it to the health campus will still be the same Victorian streets as we have at present, with a steep downhill then uphill and crossings over road humps with narrow pavements and anti-run barriers for the school.
[quote][p][bold]HornetJJ[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day nobody wants to have to go to hospital but people need to whether able bodied or disabled. For that reason I don't see why able bodied people should be treated any differently. So if a charge must apply it should apply to all and vice versa![/p][/quote]But those with disabilities are not only more likely to be visiting the hospital but are less able to use other means of transport. Even though the proposed new train station will be DDA compliant, the roads and paths connecting it to the health campus will still be the same Victorian streets as we have at present, with a steep downhill then uphill and crossings over road humps with narrow pavements and anti-run barriers for the school. TRT
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10:17am Fri 25 Jan 13

Phil Drackley says...

TRT wrote:
But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead?
Not on double lines, no.
In an area such as a Hospital, nobody is allowed to park anywhere other than car parks because of access issues.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead?[/p][/quote]Not on double lines, no. In an area such as a Hospital, nobody is allowed to park anywhere other than car parks because of access issues. Phil Drackley
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10:31am Fri 25 Jan 13

Phil Drackley says...

Phil Drackley wrote:
TRT wrote:
But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead?
Not on double lines, no.
In an area such as a Hospital, nobody is allowed to park anywhere other than car parks because of access issues.
I am informed by my wife, who holds the Blue Badge, that you can park on double yellows as well. But my point about the Hospital property still stands.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Drackley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: But can't they just park on the double yellow lines for up to two hours instead?[/p][/quote]Not on double lines, no. In an area such as a Hospital, nobody is allowed to park anywhere other than car parks because of access issues.[/p][/quote]I am informed by my wife, who holds the Blue Badge, that you can park on double yellows as well. But my point about the Hospital property still stands. Phil Drackley
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10:48am Fri 25 Jan 13

TRT says...

Which is my point that if they do start charging disabled (blue badge) drivers for using the car park, then they will simply displace them onto the access roads. You can't use a blue badge on a double red, though, so Ambulance emergency routes should be safeguarded. Provided that the snow hasn't hidden the lines.
Which is my point that if they do start charging disabled (blue badge) drivers for using the car park, then they will simply displace them onto the access roads. You can't use a blue badge on a double red, though, so Ambulance emergency routes should be safeguarded. Provided that the snow hasn't hidden the lines. TRT
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2:47pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Linda Geddes says...

Perhaps some of those who are saying everyone should pay whether disabled or not should try getting into a wheelchair for a day and seeing just how easy life is. Put yourself in the other man's shoes before making stupid comments.

It isn't about how much money someone has got. It's about making life easier for someone who has no choice. No-one chooses to become disabled and they deserve more consideration.

Yes the charges are ridiculously high and particularly for someone who is genuinely visiting a sick relative two or three times a day. I spent 6 weeks in that hospital and NO-ONE told my husband that he could obtain a permit to cut the costs. He didn't find this out until after I was allowed home.

I was fortunate that on follow up visits I was able to park and walk but, if I had been in a wheelchair, I would have been very angry if I had to pay parking fees on top. So leave the disabled alone and just be thankful you are not one of them.
Perhaps some of those who are saying everyone should pay whether disabled or not should try getting into a wheelchair for a day and seeing just how easy life is. Put yourself in the other man's shoes before making stupid comments. It isn't about how much money someone has got. It's about making life easier for someone who has no choice. No-one chooses to become disabled and they deserve more consideration. Yes the charges are ridiculously high and particularly for someone who is genuinely visiting a sick relative two or three times a day. I spent 6 weeks in that hospital and NO-ONE told my husband that he could obtain a permit to cut the costs. He didn't find this out until after I was allowed home. I was fortunate that on follow up visits I was able to park and walk but, if I had been in a wheelchair, I would have been very angry if I had to pay parking fees on top. So leave the disabled alone and just be thankful you are not one of them. Linda Geddes
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2:57pm Fri 25 Jan 13

MarsLander says...

Linda Geddes wrote:
Perhaps some of those who are saying everyone should pay whether disabled or not should try getting into a wheelchair for a day and seeing just how easy life is. Put yourself in the other man's shoes before making stupid comments.

It isn't about how much money someone has got. It's about making life easier for someone who has no choice. No-one chooses to become disabled and they deserve more consideration.

Yes the charges are ridiculously high and particularly for someone who is genuinely visiting a sick relative two or three times a day. I spent 6 weeks in that hospital and NO-ONE told my husband that he could obtain a permit to cut the costs. He didn't find this out until after I was allowed home.

I was fortunate that on follow up visits I was able to park and walk but, if I had been in a wheelchair, I would have been very angry if I had to pay parking fees on top. So leave the disabled alone and just be thankful you are not one of them.
To paraphrase, "It's not about money, it's about humanity".

Something many politicians, hospital administrators and posters to this site seem to have forgotten. I urge them all to take a step back and reconsider their positions, lest the world become a colder place.
[quote][p][bold]Linda Geddes[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some of those who are saying everyone should pay whether disabled or not should try getting into a wheelchair for a day and seeing just how easy life is. Put yourself in the other man's shoes before making stupid comments. It isn't about how much money someone has got. It's about making life easier for someone who has no choice. No-one chooses to become disabled and they deserve more consideration. Yes the charges are ridiculously high and particularly for someone who is genuinely visiting a sick relative two or three times a day. I spent 6 weeks in that hospital and NO-ONE told my husband that he could obtain a permit to cut the costs. He didn't find this out until after I was allowed home. I was fortunate that on follow up visits I was able to park and walk but, if I had been in a wheelchair, I would have been very angry if I had to pay parking fees on top. So leave the disabled alone and just be thankful you are not one of them.[/p][/quote]To paraphrase, "It's not about money, it's about humanity". Something many politicians, hospital administrators and posters to this site seem to have forgotten. I urge them all to take a step back and reconsider their positions, lest the world become a colder place. MarsLander
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9:40am Mon 28 Jan 13

garston tony says...

Seeing as the bays are still going to be there not sure what relevance someones ability to move around has to do with them being asked to pay the parking fee? Just because you are disabled doesn’t mean you are worse off financially than say any other pensioner or someone who is unemployed or on minimum wage and its not just disabled people who may have to visit the hospital on a regular basis.

I would argue that the charge itself is too steep etc. but don’t see any reason why someones disability should preclude them from paying the parking charge.

It’s a slight aside but I understand blue badge holders can park on double yellows, you see it often enough. To me that is strange too, surely quite often double yellows are where they are to ensure the flow of traffic and also are sometimes a road safety issue. I appreciate there may be a difficulty walking but why should that entitle someone to cause potential traffic chaos or worse still accidents? I also don’t understand why someone who may be deaf for instance can get a blue badge when they are physically able otherwise. Surely they should be reserved for those who have a difficulty getting around?
Seeing as the bays are still going to be there not sure what relevance someones ability to move around has to do with them being asked to pay the parking fee? Just because you are disabled doesn’t mean you are worse off financially than say any other pensioner or someone who is unemployed or on minimum wage and its not just disabled people who may have to visit the hospital on a regular basis. I would argue that the charge itself is too steep etc. but don’t see any reason why someones disability should preclude them from paying the parking charge. It’s a slight aside but I understand blue badge holders can park on double yellows, you see it often enough. To me that is strange too, surely quite often double yellows are where they are to ensure the flow of traffic and also are sometimes a road safety issue. I appreciate there may be a difficulty walking but why should that entitle someone to cause potential traffic chaos or worse still accidents? I also don’t understand why someone who may be deaf for instance can get a blue badge when they are physically able otherwise. Surely they should be reserved for those who have a difficulty getting around? garston tony
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10:31am Mon 28 Jan 13

MarsLander says...

Tony,

I quite agree. If parking charges were minimal I doubt anyone would disagree either.

It's just greed that causes all this resentment, that and the privatised parking stasi that enforce the car parks.

I just read today how councils are using litter dropping fines as a way of revenue raising, under the guise of keeping the town clean.

Privatised XFor litter police hide whilst watching groups of smokers, waiting for one to drop a fag butt and then pounce, taking the lions share of the fine for them and giving the rest to the council. Something a bit unpleasant about that I think for a council to be involved in. It seems a trifle big brotherish and dishonest. No warnings are ever given, just fines with no recourse to appeal.
Tony, I quite agree. If parking charges were minimal I doubt anyone would disagree either. It's just greed that causes all this resentment, that and the privatised parking stasi that enforce the car parks. I just read today how councils are using litter dropping fines as a way of revenue raising, under the guise of keeping the town clean. Privatised XFor litter police hide whilst watching groups of smokers, waiting for one to drop a fag butt and then pounce, taking the lions share of the fine for them and giving the rest to the council. Something a bit unpleasant about that I think for a council to be involved in. It seems a trifle big brotherish and dishonest. No warnings are ever given, just fines with no recourse to appeal. MarsLander
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2:10pm Mon 28 Jan 13

garston tony says...

I dont think many people think the amount of the charge is appropriate, it goes as much to pay for the directors/owners of the contracters holidays and new cars as it does to any benefit to the hospital.

But this isnt about the amount charged but wether people with blue badges should pay or not. Personally I dont see any reason why they in particular should be singled out for this preferential treatment when there are many other people who have to visit the hospital who can ill afford the charge but yet still have to pay it
I dont think many people think the amount of the charge is appropriate, it goes as much to pay for the directors/owners of the contracters holidays and new cars as it does to any benefit to the hospital. But this isnt about the amount charged but wether people with blue badges should pay or not. Personally I dont see any reason why they in particular should be singled out for this preferential treatment when there are many other people who have to visit the hospital who can ill afford the charge but yet still have to pay it garston tony
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5:48pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Veritas says...

No one should have to pay to visit a hospital in Watford,
How can local private hospitals and even Brent Cross provide "free" multi storey parking?

Just goes to show the greed involved, so unethical.
Someone somewhere is making money, who? Going by the dilapidated
state of the car parks, its not there!

The council, under pressure from residents looked into the very high charges for parking at the Hospital?

Funny how they did not ask more questions of why such a long term contract with no benefits to the improvement
of the car parks?

Where is all the money going?
Jan Filowski at a residents meeting in Croxley, famously said “patient care would suffer" if charges were reduced?

Why did the Council not ask him to justify his rather blatant lie? No funding from the Car parks pays for NHS treatment? Could it be they are just paying lip service?
No one should have to pay to visit a hospital in Watford, How can local private hospitals and even Brent Cross provide "free" multi storey parking? Just goes to show the greed involved, so unethical. Someone somewhere is making money, who? Going by the dilapidated state of the car parks, its not there! The council, under pressure from residents looked into the very high charges for parking at the Hospital? Funny how they did not ask more questions of why such a long term contract with no benefits to the improvement of the car parks? Where is all the money going? Jan Filowski at a residents meeting in Croxley, famously said “patient care would suffer" if charges were reduced? Why did the Council not ask him to justify his rather blatant lie? No funding from the Car parks pays for NHS treatment? Could it be they are just paying lip service? Veritas
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8:04am Fri 1 Feb 13

Mrs Bex says...

After reading some of the comments about 'disabled people' being well off only goes to highlight how much ignorance there is about. Without my car I would not be able to attend appointments to improve my health and look forward to working for a living again. Please don't judge others without knowing the facts. I don't look at 'able bodied people' and question how they afford enormous gas guzzlers, if I did I could be as equally rude with my assumptions...but hey...it's not my business to know, is it?!
After reading some of the comments about 'disabled people' being well off only goes to highlight how much ignorance there is about. Without my car I would not be able to attend appointments to improve my health and look forward to working for a living again. Please don't judge others without knowing the facts. I don't look at 'able bodied people' and question how they afford enormous gas guzzlers, if I did I could be as equally rude with my assumptions...but hey...it's not my business to know, is it?! Mrs Bex
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8:06am Fri 1 Feb 13

Mrs Bex says...

Linda Geddes wrote:
Perhaps some of those who are saying everyone should pay whether disabled or not should try getting into a wheelchair for a day and seeing just how easy life is. Put yourself in the other man's shoes before making stupid comments.

It isn't about how much money someone has got. It's about making life easier for someone who has no choice. No-one chooses to become disabled and they deserve more consideration.

Yes the charges are ridiculously high and particularly for someone who is genuinely visiting a sick relative two or three times a day. I spent 6 weeks in that hospital and NO-ONE told my husband that he could obtain a permit to cut the costs. He didn't find this out until after I was allowed home.

I was fortunate that on follow up visits I was able to park and walk but, if I had been in a wheelchair, I would have been very angry if I had to pay parking fees on top. So leave the disabled alone and just be thankful you are not one of them.
Well Said, and thank you
[quote][p][bold]Linda Geddes[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some of those who are saying everyone should pay whether disabled or not should try getting into a wheelchair for a day and seeing just how easy life is. Put yourself in the other man's shoes before making stupid comments. It isn't about how much money someone has got. It's about making life easier for someone who has no choice. No-one chooses to become disabled and they deserve more consideration. Yes the charges are ridiculously high and particularly for someone who is genuinely visiting a sick relative two or three times a day. I spent 6 weeks in that hospital and NO-ONE told my husband that he could obtain a permit to cut the costs. He didn't find this out until after I was allowed home. I was fortunate that on follow up visits I was able to park and walk but, if I had been in a wheelchair, I would have been very angry if I had to pay parking fees on top. So leave the disabled alone and just be thankful you are not one of them.[/p][/quote]Well Said, and thank you Mrs Bex
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