Gipsy family feels 'racially attacked' after hotel cancels funeral wake (From Watford Observer)

MarsLander says...
5:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13

"As a place of public accommodation, Hilton Watford does not discriminate against any individual or group and we are sorry for any distress this situation has caused."

Actions speak louder than words.

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Boosey says...
6:31pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Unfortunately people get tarred with the same brush.
It's a common scenario when people from the Holywell Estate organise something, it suddenly gets cancelled once they find out.

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stuegs says...
8:22pm Thu 7 Feb 13

I used to work at the hilton and did many gypsy events, weddings, funerals, etc. Every single one of them involved fights, cars damaged and broken into, damage in and around the hotel, other guests and staff threatened and intimidated and the police were nearly always required. We even had to notify them before these events so they could have police vans on standby.

So, while i appreciate that as agroup the travellers may feel like they are treated differently, its hard to sympathise when this was the outcome literally every time.

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LSC says...
8:38pm Thu 7 Feb 13

I notice she keeps referring to 'English travellers'. Is there some difference between them and the Irish ones in England?
I do hope she isn't suggesting the law she is seeking is for only English travellers (as it states clearly in the article), because that would be discrimination against all the other types.

And travellers don't like discrimination.

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jasonwatford says...
9:02pm Thu 7 Feb 13

did the event go off ok at sopwell house ?

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1fthm123 says...
9:04pm Thu 7 Feb 13

i feel for mrs watson and her family and cannot beleive how they have been treated by the hilton and the authorities at such a sad time, its terrible that this family have been treat like this because they are of the traveling comunity, on a saturday night ther is violence and attacks in citys everywher from the non traveling comunity, ther is good and bad in all walks of life and ther are alot of racist people out ther, i also worked in a hotel were ther were lots of traveler weddings funerals ect and ther was never any problems and the ones i met were all very polite freindley so i must say i deeply sympothise with the watson family ive never heard of a funeral being cancelled and think it is absolutley terrible my condolences to the watson family

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
9:23pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Gypsies are not travellers and neither are a Race! Like someone else has already said these companies have had their fingers burned so many times by travellers they do not want or need the disruption or violence.

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1fthm123 says...
9:37pm Thu 7 Feb 13

ther is more disruption attacks & violance in the non travller comunity than ther will ever be in the traveller comunity as i said alot of racist people out there

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Dora the explora says...
10:27pm Thu 7 Feb 13

It sickens me to read such things like this can happen in the 21st century. I myself am not a traveller but my husband is. I have been to many traveller weddings, funerals and parties and have never seen any kind of trouble. Just because of so called bad experiences in the past this hotel may have had maybe they should stop hosting any kind if events for anyone travellers or non travellers, McDonald's can't chose who they allow into their restaurants for example so why should this hotel. It's absolutely disgusting. Who do they think they are. It makes my blood boil and it also makes me embarrassed that non travellers can be so cruel and yes racist! I hope this hotel does not get away with it. We are all equal, no matter what your skin colour, your heritage, your religion. I just cannot believe this has happened from what is meant to be a reputable hotel in this day and age. Good luck mrs Watson I'm sure there are a lot of non travellers who will back you on this too.

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romanychristian says...
10:47pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Whilst this is not the time nor place to explain the difference between
true Romany people and other travelling groups i have to say that anyone can become a gypsy in the dictoral sense of the word. What is being discussed here is the disgraceful behaviour shown toward a grieving family by the police and a "renowned " hotel group, both of whom seem to passing blame to each other.If the"larger attendances" were of concern to the police why then did they only have ONE community officer at the exit from the home of the family with such a procession ? Whenthe actual booking was made and paid for then a contract was constituted both ways -if more numbers attended than that which was agreed then the hotel group at THAT point may have been justified in further negotiations.It is clear that there were racial undertones and its worryingthat these were caused by the initial "concerns" or rather the excuses used by the police.The Watson family can hold their heads up high that their beloved was sent off
with the respect and dignity that a Romany Gentleman desreved.

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Romadecor says...
10:50pm Thu 7 Feb 13

I'm Dennis Latham of the National Federation of Gypsy Liaison Groups.Would like comments from both sides before taking any further action.Please Email romadecor3@gmail.com

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linney says...
11:48pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Romadecor says and clearly invites all to give comments pos or neg ! hope you all let him/her know your views or else, dont be blaming and critisising. I run scared to be fair of anything not in my culture, however, I have to say having worked alongside mummas who entrussted me to have their children, i always found travellers to be fair, honest at the time, and courtesous,. and surprisingly more conductive in ways and rules if known and shown. So admit to learn myself, dont judge a book by its cover.

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romanychristian says...
12:21am Fri 8 Feb 13

Yes Jason of Watford the funeral tea at Sopwell House Hotel ( a far superior venue -judge for yourself ) was attended by slighty less than was booked for .and was superbly presented
i witnessed a younger Romany gentleman giving a waiter £50.00 to clean an area soiled by his child dropping a quiche-such is the princilple of Romany culture
Please remember we are all Gods Children

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Skidder1066 says...
6:12am Fri 8 Feb 13

There appears to be a lot of travellers comments on here, unfortunately the police were not to blame here, so you cna all get off that soap box, the hotel decided to cancel the event, an event, the word is important because it was an event, get it??? The people staying at the hotel pay to stay there and have a right to enjoy their room and the peace an quet. If I was there and a big "event"was going to happen, then I would not stay there. Never mind how much the "event" cost, too many people would be arriving, no parking for paying guests. The Hiotel is a business and can have whoever it wants to stay at its premises, the same as it can choose not to put up any guest it chooses. The hotel took the advice of the police for the amount of numbers it was expected to turn up, and for this reason it cancelled the "event"

As a few people have said, some people get tarred by the same brush, it has always happened and it always will, get used to it, it is part of life. The Travellers "event" got cancelled, then why doesnt someone of the travelling community build their own "social event" premises where they live, plenty of land, and then everyone can gather round there,all in one place and anjoy any "event" they like, they can even do their own clearing up as it will be where they live and will not have any effect on their future "events" just a thought !!

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OAC Bailiff says...
7:40am Fri 8 Feb 13

nothing to do with the police its the hotel canceled good luck mrs watson

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corbindallas says...
8:10am Fri 8 Feb 13

The only point I can call into question is the lack of tact for a late cancellation on such a occassion but it was more than 48 hours so legal by contract and apart from that clearly there is no discrimination in this (by law) and by subjected claim of prejudice. We do not know if Mrs Watson informed the hotel of large numbers attending, the police clearly did and the hotel decided this was a unsuitable venue for it. Maybe it was history of such events maybe it was as simple as staffing, but let's get one thing straight the hotel has a right to cancel, just as McDonalds has a right to refuse service to anyone as someone incorrectly pointed out above. Hotels are businesses and their main concern is in customers, they would not be turning down business if they did not feel it was in the best interest of the hotel, just like they do not accept stag parties and the like they have chosen to not accept a travellers event, end off.

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garston tony says...
9:01am Fri 8 Feb 13

Unfortunately this wasn’t racism but the hotel taking action to prevent any potential trouble. The fact that they believed there might be trouble is possibly down to previous experience as a previous poster stated but also down to the poor reputation of the traveller group.

I don’t for one minute believe all travellers are trouble makers but a significant proportion do appear to be and certainly those give the whole community a very poor reputation. I would suggest if those that are law abiding upstanding citizens want this impression of their community to change then they need get those trouble makers that give them a bad name to change their ways. Until then unfortunately the whole community will continue to be tarred with the same brush.

As to the late notice, that could be because the hotel only found out late on it was going to be a traveller event.

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garston tony says...
9:03am Fri 8 Feb 13

I have to admit that I havent had much to do with this community but the one traveller I know I count as a friend as well as someone I've hired a few times for various contracts over the years. But I did witness this last year in a McDonalds where I had stopped to get lunch. Whilst I was eating in the car a van turned up with a traveller family. Six children in the front aged from toddler to maybe eight or nine, far too many to have been sat in the cab legally and there certainly werent any car seats for any of them. The mother who was driving parked really badly and encroached on the empty space next to her. In they went to get their food and as they were coming out a car was trying to park in that empty spot next to them as it was the only one left.

Despite it being the van that was parked badly the mother started screaming at the driver of the car that was trying to park, hitting its bonnet and windscreen shouting abuse and so on. The other driver was obviously stunned but luckily another car left at that moment and she could park in a different spot. The mother continued to shout at the driver as they got out and walked off and again when they returned to their car a few minutes later.

To cap it all when they had finished their food, which they had brought outside to eat, despite there being a bin only a few feet away all the wrappers and left overs were chucked on the ground.

Now im not saying this kind of behaviour is limited to travellers or that all travellers are like this but it certainly doesn’t make me think that all the horror stories you hear arent true to a some extent.

RommanyChristian and Romadecor maybe as well trying to stop discrimination of your community when it happens you should sort out the trouble makers in your community who give all of you a bad name.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:36am Fri 8 Feb 13

If there was a history of poor behaviour from traveller communities, as one poster suggests, then the hotel should not have accepted the booking in the first place. To cancel such a personal and emotional event two days prior to it taking place is not acceptable. Everyone has feelings.

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romanychristian says...
9:55am Fri 8 Feb 13

Oh dear here we go-people flying off in all different directions.I do not intend to get involved in a needless slanging match here but please read the story properly.How anyone can refer to a funeral as an "event" is beyond me
the word compassion springs to mind.
The point is the tea was cancelled because " gypsy " was mentioned nothing more nothing less .If the word "coloured" was mentioned and the tea had THEN been cancelled what say you then ?
God help all enthic race of people .

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Skidder1066 says...
10:50am Fri 8 Feb 13

Romanychristian, you said how can anyone refer to a funeral as an event is beyond you?/ the funeral is where the perosn gets buried, were they getting bureied at the hotel? NO, then you go on to call it a "tea" is not "tea" an event?? It seems that there will never be an agreement because travellers do not wnat to mix with the Countries, yes, I do know the slang for other people Roamnychristian, so just drop the oh how hard done by are we and concentrate on your own community getting a better press and image but you cant can you?? Because you cannot be seen to be siding with the countries.......more than your house is worth isnt it ??? So lets all forget about this, and try and find out how you are going to get another event without trying to be found out you are travellers..........
..Why wasnt this mentioned at the time of the booking that it was a travellers wake?? You are so proud of your heritage why not mention it at the very beginning to the hotel?? hey ho, never mind, all over and done with now......

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Skidder1066 says...
10:53am Fri 8 Feb 13

Dora the Explorer, yes, McDonalds can choose who comes onto their premises, it is a standard law that the management or staff have the right to refuse service and to ask the person/s to leave their premises, standard and legal, so every shop can have the right to serve who they like, you dont like it then go elsewhere, if you can !!

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romanychristian says...
11:12am Fri 8 Feb 13

BEING WISE-even fools are thought to be wise when they keep silent when they keep their mouths shut they seem intelligent
proverbs 17:28

Do you want to be counted as wise,to build a reputation for wisdom ? heres what to do.. live well live wisely..live humbly its the way you live.not the way you talk that counts
James 3:13

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garston tony says...
11:33am Fri 8 Feb 13

Romanychristian, wouldn’t be too pedantic about the wording. Event, gathering, meeting etc. its still a group of people getting together regardless of the reason for it.

I'm not sure what those verses were supposed to do but you are quite right it’s the way you live not the way you talk that counts. Unfortunately too many travellers don’t live or talk in a 'wise' manner hence why the whole community has the reputation it has and hence why the upstanding citizens within your community are wrongly prejudiced against. Its no different to establishments not wanting rugby tour groups or hen and stag parties as they too have a poor reputation even though not every hen/stag do or rugby tour behaves badly.

Razor Sharp, the last minute cancellation does appear bad but the hotel may not have know until the last minute who was going to attend. I can appreciate the traveller connection wasn’t mentioned because it must be hard knowing that if it is that the booking wont be taken. But ultimately this all comes back to the travellers themselves needing to sort out their own reputation by tackling those within their own community that give it to them.

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garston tony says...
11:57am Fri 8 Feb 13

@ Dora, this isnt about racism this is about law of averages.

When I first learnt to drive and got my first car my insurance was quite high because law of averages showed that I was more likely to have an accident. More than one of my friends at the time bought cars that they then could not get insured on as due to being more powerful the law of averages showed that they were even more likely to have an accident. As the years passed and I didn’t have any accidents my insurance costs dropped considerably when I turned 25 as law of averages showed that at that age I was far less likely not to have an accident and I now drive a vehicle that I would not have been able to get insured on for many years after I passed my test.

Unfortunately real life experience has shown some people that law of averages suggests there is a higher than normal possibility of there being trouble at a traveller event and just like an insurance company wont insure some people on certain cars due to the greater risk of accidents some organisations don’t want to host a traveller event due to the greater risk of trouble breaking out.

Its not racism its economics and statistics

If travellers don’t want their reputation it is for them to change their behaviour

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romanychristian says...
12:16pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Please remember i KNOW what was said -the police informed the hotel it was a gypsy funeral and the hotel cancelled THAT IS DISCRIMINATION
nothing whatsoever to do with parking etc-the hotel function rooms hold "150 and 375 standing /sitting buffet style" The venue was booked for 100.
Good on you Sopwell House hotel -whatever the police told you -you held the funeral tea ( I presume Chief Inspector Patient considerd Sopwell House to be a" relevant party to be coordinated with.... safety of everyone concerned" as was The Hilton !

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LSC says...
12:28pm Fri 8 Feb 13

You must bear in mind that if it was a last minute cancellation, it is doubtful the Hotel were able to hire the area to anyone else, so they wrote off a lot of money.
Few people or places can afford to do that on a matter of principal, so it must have been another reason, such as the event would probably cost the Hotel more in damages and lost revenue from patrons that it would gain.
Business is all about money, so this is not a choice they would have taken lightly, but they would have looked to past experience.

As Tony says, clean up your act and this will stop happening.

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romanychristian says...
12:38pm Fri 8 Feb 13

sorry Lord have to get involved
Who needs to clean up their act ?
you are discriminating against all "Gypsies"- The PERFECT excample of what happened here

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LSC says...
12:46pm Fri 8 Feb 13

No, as Tony says, it is simply the law of averages. I would never discriminate against an individual. But when certain groups get together then it becomes likely that problems will ensue. That's just life and how it is.
I would turn away a BNP meeting, but not a sewing circle, PURELY because one might end up with rocks being thrown through windows, and the other almost definately won't. Nothing to do with my politics or liking of sewing.

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Bringe says...
12:49pm Fri 8 Feb 13

garston tony wrote:
I have to admit that I havent had much to do with this community but the one traveller I know I count as a friend as well as someone I've hired a few times for various contracts over the years. But I did witness this last year in a McDonalds where I had stopped to get lunch. Whilst I was eating in the car a van turned up with a traveller family. Six children in the front aged from toddler to maybe eight or nine, far too many to have been sat in the cab legally and there certainly werent any car seats for any of them. The mother who was driving parked really badly and encroached on the empty space next to her. In they went to get their food and as they were coming out a car was trying to park in that empty spot next to them as it was the only one left.

Despite it being the van that was parked badly the mother started screaming at the driver of the car that was trying to park, hitting its bonnet and windscreen shouting abuse and so on. The other driver was obviously stunned but luckily another car left at that moment and she could park in a different spot. The mother continued to shout at the driver as they got out and walked off and again when they returned to their car a few minutes later.

To cap it all when they had finished their food, which they had brought outside to eat, despite there being a bin only a few feet away all the wrappers and left overs were chucked on the ground.

Now im not saying this kind of behaviour is limited to travellers or that all travellers are like this but it certainly doesn’t make me think that all the horror stories you hear arent true to a some extent.

RommanyChristian and Romadecor maybe as well trying to stop discrimination of your community when it happens you should sort out the trouble makers in your community who give all of you a bad name.

Did they have "Traveller" stamped across their foreheads Tony or are you just assuming?

[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I have to admit that I havent had much to do with this community but the one traveller I know I count as a friend as well as someone I've hired a few times for various contracts over the years. But I did witness this last year in a McDonalds where I had stopped to get lunch. Whilst I was eating in the car a van turned up with a traveller family. Six children in the front aged from toddler to maybe eight or nine, far too many to have been sat in the cab legally and there certainly werent any car seats for any of them. The mother who was driving parked really badly and encroached on the empty space next to her. In they went to get their food and as they were coming out a car was trying to park in that empty spot next to them as it was the only one left. Despite it being the van that was parked badly the mother started screaming at the driver of the car that was trying to park, hitting its bonnet and windscreen shouting abuse and so on. The other driver was obviously stunned but luckily another car left at that moment and she could park in a different spot. The mother continued to shout at the driver as they got out and walked off and again when they returned to their car a few minutes later. To cap it all when they had finished their food, which they had brought outside to eat, despite there being a bin only a few feet away all the wrappers and left overs were chucked on the ground. Now im not saying this kind of behaviour is limited to travellers or that all travellers are like this but it certainly doesn’t make me think that all the horror stories you hear arent true to a some extent. RommanyChristian and Romadecor maybe as well trying to stop discrimination of your community when it happens you should sort out the trouble makers in your community who give all of you a bad name.[/p][/quote]Did they have "Traveller" stamped across their foreheads Tony or are you just assuming? Bringe

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romanychristian says...
1:05pm Fri 8 Feb 13

What a load of rubbish-LSC /Tony
One cannot determine the possible behaviour of any group based on their race /religion creed/colour/etc-Ind
eed how can the recreational activity of a group determine their behaviour?
Maybe i am missing something or do sewing groups never drink alcohol or loose their temper ?
there is no need for argument refer to the dictoral defination of discrimination-end of

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LSC says...
1:10pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Actually you can to an extent in some circumstances. Why do you think they have police at Watford vs Luton matches?
Because the likelyhood is there will be trouble. That is predictable behavior; not by all those there by a long way, but by enough to warrant police horses and fan segregation. The same goes for almost every derby match in the country.

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romanychristian says...
1:32pm Fri 8 Feb 13

YES but that presumption has no bearing on race/colour/religion etc
Its based on the numbers game- of TWO different groups of "supporters" in the same place at the same time

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romanychristian says...
1:34pm Fri 8 Feb 13

PS - they dont cancel the football matches iether do they ?????

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TRT says...
1:43pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Did the hotel make a provisional booking? Take a deposit? Take full payment? A lot is missing from the details of this story.

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romanychristian says...
1:56pm Fri 8 Feb 13

YES-- thats the whole point-
The funeral tea was booked for 100 people and paid in person in full at the time of booking.When the police " contacted the relevant parties...informatio
n was passed onto the hotel" the booking was cancelled.
I know Gypsy was mentioned so do all involved-stand up and be counted-it was wrong and it was discriminaion.
It should not be happening in this day and age its time to move on and follow Gods Will which includes loving thy neighour - you really dont know what you are missing !

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LSC says...
2:00pm Fri 8 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
PS - they dont cancel the football matches iether do they ?????

Yes and no. Luton banned all away supporters for a season after repeated trouble, England versus NI was called off after it started, and it is common in Italy and South America for some teams to play behind closed doors.

I take you point about them being 'rivals', but my point is that sometimes you can predict the likely actions of a crowd of a certain demographic.

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TRT says...
2:09pm Fri 8 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
YES-- thats the whole point-
The funeral tea was booked for 100 people and paid in person in full at the time of booking.When the police " contacted the relevant parties...informatio

n was passed onto the hotel" the booking was cancelled.
I know Gypsy was mentioned so do all involved-stand up and be counted-it was wrong and it was discriminaion.
It should not be happening in this day and age its time to move on and follow Gods Will which includes loving thy neighour - you really dont know what you are missing !

Did they ask for some sort of security deposit as well? Was the insurance compliant? Was the full cost paid in cash or on a credit card? I mean, it does sound like there is a case to be answered here.

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romanychristian says...
2:12pm Fri 8 Feb 13

No no no ! we are talking Watford UK here -how many matches have been cancelled there ?
It is still discrimination-if you catorgatically penalise because of race/colour etc
We should probably leave this to the law courts

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romanychristian says...
2:21pm Fri 8 Feb 13

The funeral tea was paid for with a debit card-
You do raise an interesting point-if there had been previous incidents then i could "accept" that maybe it may have been prudent for the Hilton to ask for a security deposit .It seems as though they were totally scared off - again discriminated against because of their race.

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LSC says...
2:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

That last point really depends if you view travellers as a race or a lifestyle choice.
I agree they must be considered a race if their DNA differs from the general population, but it doesn't, so they aren't.

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TRT says...
2:38pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Ah, now if it had been paid for with a credit card, there may have been a claim to be made against the credit card company.

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JohnnyHornet says...
4:14pm Fri 8 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
PS - they dont cancel the football matches iether do they ?????

No but they have shut the Red and Yellow Lion for tonight's game " To prevent trouble "

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Roy Stockdill says...
7:29pm Fri 8 Feb 13

>McDonald's can't chose who they allow into their restaurants for example so why should this hotel.<

I'm afraid Dora the explora is incorrect. All businesses that provide a service to the public like pubs, restaurants, hotels etc, DO have a legal right to refuse entrance to anyone if they so wish.

The other point I would make is that so often there is confusion over the difference between genuine Romany gypsies and Travellers. Romany gypsies are an identifiable race or ethnic group but non-Romany Travellers are not (whatever the government may think). I suspect most travellers are not genuine gypsies at all but people who have made a deliberate choice to opt out of normal society. Some of them seem to be disillusioned left-over hippies.

That being the case - and given that some, though not all, do demonstrate the kind of behaviour that Garston Tony describes - it is hardly surprising that prejudice does exist.

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mummy_1 says...
7:55pm Fri 8 Feb 13

May I say that the lady looks and comes across as a totally respectable person. She was put in a totally unacceptable position close to the burial of her loved one. She is no more responsible for what has gone before her than any of us. She just wanted to bury her husband with grace.

The Hilton should at least be publically honest about the reason for cancelling the funeral and suffer the consequenses of their actions.

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TRT says...
7:57pm Fri 8 Feb 13

•••• me! A Roy post that's accurate and not obnoxious, racist or bigoted. Isn't there a comet due to hit us next week?

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

My lawyers are looking closely at your comments!

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Phillypod says...
8:45pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Firstly, the features editor needs spell checker, it's Gypsy's not 'gipsies ' , secondly, I am blown away by some of the immature, racist and pathetic comments on this subject. I have been a Regional Manager for many high end, luxury Hotels both in the UK and Worldwide. I have organised events for many Races/Religions. Yes, Gypsy events have sometimes ended with a scuffle or awoke chaos , however, so too have Asian/Jewish/Jamaica
n to name a few. Never have I had to cancel anything due to religion or culture , nor have I ever had Gypsy gentleman take weekly baths in our jacuzzi, shaving their entire body hair and refusing to stop.... as I have had with other races. Nor for that matter have I ever heard or seen on the news a Gypsy murderer, paedophile, or rapist.... It is 2013 not the dark ages, let these people do as they wish, many races or cultures, have their own ways and morals, however, few are as negatively viewed as Gypsy's. The insane ' big fat Gypsy wedding' programme is hideous and should not be aired as not all English, Irish, Romanian, Finnish and Swedish Gypsies are like this, and are hated in such an aggresive way. It's like assuming everyone in Liverpool wears a track suit and carry knives, every male in Scotland wears a kilt to the office, and anyone Muslim is a terrorist! On a lighter note, perhaps the clearly highly educated Skidder1066 should organise a gas chamber for Gypsies, or anyone black, Muslim etc! Or perhaps just stroll down to the local watering hole and tell some Englishmen, Irishmen, Scotsmen jokes whilst discussing today's Jeremy Kyle show. Pathetic spineless creature, obviously an upstanding pillar of the community and law abiding citizen (hint of sarcasm in my tone? yes ) I must also add, would the Hilton Hotel have cancelled the funeral tea, had it been booked by Rafael van der Vaart (Premiership footballer/Gypsy) Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazilain President/Gypsy) Bob Hoskins (Actor/Gypsy) or the late Charlie Chaplin, Elvis ....GYPSY'S !! I highly doubt it.....

Firstly, the features editor needs spell checker, it's Gypsy's not 'gipsies ' , secondly, I am blown away by some of the immature, racist and pathetic comments on this subject. I have been a Regional Manager for many high end, luxury Hotels both in the UK and Worldwide. I have organised events for many Races/Religions. Yes, Gypsy events have sometimes ended with a scuffle or awoke chaos , however, so too have Asian/Jewish/Jamaica n to name a few. Never have I had to cancel anything due to religion or culture , nor have I ever had Gypsy gentleman take weekly baths in our jacuzzi, shaving their entire body hair and refusing to stop.... as I have had with other races. Nor for that matter have I ever heard or seen on the news a Gypsy murderer, paedophile, or rapist.... It is 2013 not the dark ages, let these people do as they wish, many races or cultures, have their own ways and morals, however, few are as negatively viewed as Gypsy's. The insane ' big fat Gypsy wedding' programme is hideous and should not be aired as not all English, Irish, Romanian, Finnish and Swedish Gypsies are like this, and are hated in such an aggresive way. It's like assuming everyone in Liverpool wears a track suit and carry knives, every male in Scotland wears a kilt to the office, and anyone Muslim is a terrorist! On a lighter note, perhaps the clearly highly educated Skidder1066 should organise a gas chamber for Gypsies, or anyone black, Muslim etc! Or perhaps just stroll down to the local watering hole and tell some Englishmen, Irishmen, Scotsmen jokes whilst discussing today's Jeremy Kyle show. Pathetic spineless creature, obviously an upstanding pillar of the community and law abiding citizen (hint of sarcasm in my tone? yes ) I must also add, would the Hilton Hotel have cancelled the funeral tea, had it been booked by Rafael van der Vaart (Premiership footballer/Gypsy) Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazilain President/Gypsy) Bob Hoskins (Actor/Gypsy) or the late Charlie Chaplin, Elvis ....GYPSY'S !! I highly doubt it..... Phillypod

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Roy Stockdill says...
9:00pm Fri 8 Feb 13

>or the late Charlie Chaplin, Elvis ....GYPSY'S !! <

Where is your evidence that Charlie Chaplin was a gypsy? I am a full-time professional genealogist and have looked into the mystery of Charlie Chaplin's birth (see my blog at: http://blog.findmypa
st.co.uk/2012/03/fam
ous-family-trees-cha
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I am fully aware there is a story that he was born in a gypsy caravan in the Midlands at Smethwick, near Birmingham, but no birth certificate has ever been found. The popular view is that he was born in south London. I think the answer is much more prosaic, i.e. his mother Hannah simply forgot to register him. She had other sons by different men.

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Phillypod says...
9:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Gee whizz, what a fun guy! I wish I was a close friend of yours, I am sure you are stimulating conversation at a dinner party Sir.

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LSC says...
9:05pm Fri 8 Feb 13

But we aren't talking about gypsys. We are talking about travellers, people who make a lifestyle choice.
This choice sometimes involves the advantages of 'no fixed abode' when it comes to taxation, criminal proceedings, truancy officers, trading standards, child maintainence, executing warrants, debt recovery and so on and on and on. But then of course there are also the permanent sites which are handy for benefits as and when required.

Anyone who does that is going to be treated with a certain level of contempt by the majority.

If people want to live an 'alternative lifestyle', fine. Peru has LOADS of open spaces where they won't bother anyone nearby, there is no taxation or bully-boy policing.

But then there aren't many Hotels to hire either; few 4x4 dealerships; no driveways to tarmac or gutters to clear for interesting prices.

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Phillypod says...
9:07pm Fri 8 Feb 13

LSC, obviously you my friend know the culture inside out, and have studied this at great length, with factual knowledge. Obviously....

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Roy Stockdill says...
9:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

>Gee whizz, what a fun guy! I wish I was a close friend of yours, I am sure you are stimulating conversation at a dinner party Sir.<

You haven't answered my question. Where is your evidence? I take my profession seriously and I do my research properly, so I know what I am talking about. Before you post erroneous information, you should check your facts, otherwise your credibility counts for very little. It's obvious you are not a reliable witness!

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Roy Stockdill says...
9:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

As it happens, I agree with LSC. I've had travellers - I do not know whether they were real gypsies or the other kind - at my door wanting to tarmac my driveway and I know from experience that they can sometimes turn quite nasty and threatening when you tell them politely you're not interested.

I'm afraid, Phillypod, that your lack of command of the English language doesn't persuade me to believe that you are what you claim to be, i.e someone who has held a senior position in the hotels business.

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Phillypod says...
9:20pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oh rest assured sweet cheeks, I know my facts are right. I'd quite frankly rather watch traffic on the M1 than dignify your existence with anymore chit chat about a subject you clearly (to anyone with a brain) know little about. I bid you farewell and wish you luck with your entry to the local pub quiz, your knowledge will no doubt win you a prize.

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LSC says...
9:22pm Fri 8 Feb 13

No, but I have been around a while and all you have to do is read the Court reports.
I have had a number of dealings with the travelling community in my life. None have gone very well.
I personally witnessed a group breaking into a car park opposite my work and rang the police. I was warned, by the police, that if I made a witness statement they could not gaurrantee my personal safety, or that of my business that overlooked the area. So I withdrew and said nothing. We were robbed about 5 days later, and about 5 days after that one of our buildings was set on fire. About 10 days later we were broken into again. Coincidence perhaps, but we had been there 8 years without incident. The travellers moved on after a month and we went another 3 years without incident.

What other conclusion can I draw?

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LSC says...
9:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13

"Farewell Mr Oxbridge Graduate"

I've often wondered why having an education is somehow considered an insult. Without the Universities, you'd not be typing on the internet right now. You'd be living in a field and... oh hang on... travellers don't have good educations and do live in fields, but are happy to use the technology provided by the Oxbridge people nonetheless.

QED.

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romanychristian says...
9:56pm Fri 8 Feb 13

I was worried that this forum would turn this way ! Romanies did not have their own country hence the word Gypsy .Romany is blood line - CAN one tell me of any other exists as such.?
i will go no further than this- its too deep and not permitted other than to say that my understanding is that Charlie declared it.I can name many *celebs" that make similar claims including a recent tv programme tracing back Bill Clintons roots-yes that Bill Clinton !
Regardless of all this i reiterate that we are all Gods Children and i feel many people might benefit from a Christian course called Alpha-its available at most churches.I would be interested in meeting many of you for a bite to eat at my expense and dispel all these silly horror stories.
The fact remains however that a grieving family were treated wrongly-

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LSC says...
10:08pm Fri 8 Feb 13

@romanychristian: My history on this subject isn't great, but surely Romany has is roots in 'Roman'? As does Rumania?
I might well be wrong on that, but language is a very good pointer to origins.
As for a bite, lovely idea but if you tried to book it, would we get in? JOKE!

Yes, I do feel for any grieving family being messed about at a tough time. But I stand by the fact (as I see it) that the community has brought it upon themselves by reputation.

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Roy Stockdill says...
10:12pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Sorry, romanychristian, but I have researched Charlie Chaplin's family history fairly extensively and the evidence simply isn't there. The fact that he may have believed it himself is NOT evidence! He was possibly told it by his mother or some relative but, as I say, his birth certificate has never been found and almost certainly never will be because it doesn't seem to exist. There is a suggestion that Charlie's mother Hannah Hill was from a travelling family but, again, the facts need to be traced. The censuses available give his birth place as Walworth, south London, not a gypsy caravan at Smethwick. I believe there is a lot of oral tradition in gypsy families and perhaps this is something that they tend to believe, but the facts do not prove it, and I work on evidence alone.

As for your other comments, I am a non-believer and an atheist and have no interest whatsoever in Alpha, whatever that is. All that stuff about "we are all God's children" is just so much politically correct jargon to me, I'm afraid. I judge people and communities on what they do and you cannot deny that some - and I only I said SOME - members of the travelling community do have a reputation for rather bad behaviour outside what society regards as the norm.

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Dora the explora says...
10:19pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Omg Roy bore off and go write on Charlie chaplains fan page somewhere you are missing the point. We have been discussing an extremely important issue. Bore off

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1fthm123 says...
10:20pm Fri 8 Feb 13

how dare mrs watson be upset!! after all she is only a traveller! you should all be ashamed of your selfs with the negative comments towards the watson family, this family are obviousley grieving and dont need racist comments some of you obviousley have issues with traveling comunity and have taken this opportunity to start a dispute you need to grow up and think how you would feel in this situation

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romanychristian says...
10:24pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Thats your choice Roy =offer still stands to meet up in Watford and have a debate

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Roy Stockdill says...
10:27pm Fri 8 Feb 13

>Dora the explora says...
10:19pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Omg Roy bore off and go write on Charlie chaplains fan page somewhere you are missing the point. We have been discussing an extremely important issue. Bore off<

I'm afraid you have yet to acknowledge the fact that your initial statement that the hotel had no right to cancel the funeral was legally incorrect. As I have pointed out, any pub, restaurant, cafe, hotel or whatever, has a legal right to refuse to admit someone if they wish to.

It's only an important issue to the travelling community, who choose to flout laws when it suits them. In any case, they got into a much better and more prestigious hotel, the Sopwell House, so what's the problem?

It seems to me yet another case of a strident, vocal minority believing they are being persecuted and jumping up and down about it.

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Dora the explora says...
10:36pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Like I say Roy maybe go fight a battle for Charlie somewhere. You obviously have a personal vendetta against the travelling community. You obviously lead perfect idyllic life. We don't know all the ins and outs of what has happened. But from what the paper has published it is shocking that this can happen in the day and age. You though have tried to make a mockery of what people have tried to say on here. We are all allowed to voice our opinions, and if you want to throw your dummy out the pram about someone calling Charlie Chaplin a gypsy and you think he's not then that just proves you are wasting your time writing on here. You seem more botherd about that than the actual issue in hand. You've just shown yourself up over that.

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Roy Stockdill says...
10:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

>this family are obviousley grieving and dont need racist comments<

Everyone grieves when they lose a loved one but some of us deal with it in a somewhat different way. The British way of coping with death is to do it privately and remember the person as you wish to, not go running off to the papers to make a big fuss about it. My wife recently lost a much-loved aunt who she had known all her life but she dealt with it sensibly, as we all did, and accepted that these things happen. I understand gypsies do tend to be rather emotional people and make a bigger fuss about losing someone than some of us do.

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Phillypod says...
10:41pm Fri 8 Feb 13

How the hope and glory does Roy know that a Gypsy is emotional! Hilarious , top 10 most ridiculous comment of the year.

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Roy Stockdill says...
10:43pm Fri 8 Feb 13

At least I have the courage to post under my own name. You and the vast majority of posters here do NOT! Have the guts and courage to tell us who you are. Of course, you don't, do you?

Actually, I was never bullied at school, I was a bright pupil at my grammar school, played football, cricket, cross country running and chess for the school as well. So really, you are a total and utter prat in pretending to know anything about me at all. I am one of the best-known genealogists in the UK and you will find my name all over the Internet, including my blog on Charlie Chaplin.

The fact is that ever since civil registration was introduced into England and Wales in July 1837 the vast majority of people born in this country have a birth certificate. Charlie Chaplin doesn't, end of story.

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Phillypod says...
10:49pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Oh my goodness I am laughing so hard I think I may have broken a rib. Now I have your life history ill be sure to tell God to look after you in my next Church visit. If he can't save you from your evil self, no one else can.

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Roy Stockdill says...
10:50pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Let me tell you a little story. When I was about 16 or 17 years old and a reporter on a local newspaper in Yorkshire I was once sent to cover a gypsy funeral. I never forgot it! There were hundreds of people there, the cortege stretched from one end of the town to the other, and at the cemetery the immediate relatives were all weeping and wailing, chucking flowers onto the coffin and other articles and some even tried to throw themselves into the grave itself to join the recently departed. It was the most extraordinary spectacle I have ever seen. That's what I mean by "emotional".

Unfortunately, this obsession with vicarious grief over death began with Princess Diana and all that nonsense, with people chucking flowers off the M1 bridges onto her cortege.

The British way of copying with death is to do it in a dignified, quiet and unemotional manner. You bury your loved ones quietly, remember them but then get on with your life.

And actually Dora, I'm in my early 70s and have grown up in an unemotional way. I accept life as it is, I abhor lunatic political correctness and I don't go whingeing and whining to the papers complaining about perceived offence that doesn't exist. At the end of the day this whole issue will go away and nobody will remember it in a fortnight's time.

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Dora the explora says...
10:55pm Fri 8 Feb 13

I knew you'd have a blog about Charlie Chaplin hhahahaha. Just maybe though Roy it's best to keep in mind if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. And sometimes your comments can come across narrow minded, racist, malicious and unjustified. This is a serious issue, serious enough this paper has published the issue. I am a non traveller and you have made me ashamed of non travellers. I'm sick of coming across people like you. You give us non travellers bad names. It doesn't matter how intelligent you think you are or how educated you are, being the best genealogist in the uk does not give you the right to say what you have have said on here, nor does it mean your insane comments are correct

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Roy Stockdill says...
11:03pm Fri 8 Feb 13

>Just maybe though Roy it's best to keep in mind if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.<

What a trite and silly comment. I'm a Yorkshireman and blunt-speaking. I say what I think and I don't suffer fools gladly. I am not a fence-sitter because I happen to believe in freedom of speech and I choose my words carefully.

I suspect you are upset because I pointed out that you had got it wrong when you claimed cafes, restaurants and hotels had no right to refuse entry to people they didn't want and you are unable to admit the fact.

Whatever the reasons, the hotel had a right to refuse the booking if they thought it would cause them difficulties. That is all LSC and I have been trying to say. Accusations of racism are just so much politically correct nonsense and provocation by a minority group with a very large axe to grind. The WO used the story because it helps fill their columns!

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Dora the explora says...
11:09pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Fortunately phillypod I think Roy and lsc are out numbered on here in this debate need I say anything else.

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Roy Stockdill says...
11:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

You still haven't got the courage to admit you were wrong about the legal position have you, Dora? That's why you keep waffling!.

I will say it again: any business that serves the public, whether it be a shop, pub, cafe, restaurant or hotel reserves the right to refuse entry to someone if they choose to. If you don't believe me ask a lawyer.

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Dora the explora says...
11:21pm Fri 8 Feb 13

I was trying to say an example get over it

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Phillypod says...
11:22pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Roy. Go to bed.

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Roy Stockdill says...
11:27pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Who's Hayley?

What none of you seem to understand is that none of your comments or views are of the slightest consequence to me. I have about as much interest in them as I have in 17th century Peruvian wood carvings and I imagine LSC probably feels the same. It would also help if some of you learned how to spell and had at least a passing knowledge of English grammar and punctuation. If you are typical examples of modern education, I am very glad that I'm not an employer since illiteracy seems to be the norm here.

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romanychristian says...
11:33pm Fri 8 Feb 13

actually Roy you are wrong
Entry can not be refused because of colour/creed race or gender
this was not a case of refused entry-it was a cancelled booking because they were Gypsy

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Dora the explora says...
11:35pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Yawn. If your not interested go away and stop writing on here. were interested about the issue so perhaps leave us to discuss productively our thoughts and feelings about mrs watsons unfortunate issue. We are not here to discuss spelling or punctuation again Roy your missing the point. You really are coming across in my opinion very pompous and it's such a shame you've took it upon yourself to do it on here. Isn't their more interesting topics of conversation over on Charlie's blog!?

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Dora the explora says...
11:40pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Thank you romanychristian for backing me up. No doubt Roy will be writing his highly intellectual reply!!! Because Roy it's like someone saying your not coming in my shop cos your black!!! Yes people can deny entry upon good reason but not because " your a gypsy" thank you again romanychristian

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1fthm123 says...
11:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13

thank god for that as your knoledge on family tree's is killing this blog

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Dora the explora says...
11:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Roy do let us know if when don't your research you find out you have gypsy roots that really would be calmer wouldn't it

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Roy Stockdill says...
11:46pm Fri 8 Feb 13

When some of you have the courage and the guts to post in your own names, which I ALWAYS do, then I might take notice of your comments. Otherwise, I haven't the slightest respect for them because you are gutless wonders in my book.

If I were running this website I would insist that posters use their real names, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed on.

I wrote a column for the paid-for Watford Observer for 10 years and for the Free Observer before that and always published everything under my own name and photo. That's what columnists do because we have the courage of our convictions and a willingness to be unpopular. No-one wants a columnist who fits on the fence! You say what you think and if some people don't like my view, well tough! I suspect most posters here have difficulty in writing a postcard to their mother-in-law.

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Phillypod says...
11:47pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Ok now I'm dead, Roy has done it. Iv died laughing at his ridiculous comments, this is the ghost of phillypod not Phillip C E Barkers Esq as was earlier. Oh ok your right again Roy, tis me. I'm still alive. If you have any 17th century Peruvian wood carvings for sale do let me know.

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Dora the explora says...
11:51pm Fri 8 Feb 13

What has our names got to do with it? I hate to sound like I'm repeating myself but Roy your missing the point yet again. Has no one ever advised you of the safety issues when using the Internet??? P.s don't write your bank details on here also!!!!!! I know you are older than me you may be more educated than me, but when it comes to common sense.... You have very little

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Roy Stockdill says...
11:53pm Fri 8 Feb 13

>Roy do let us know if when don't your research you find out you have gypsy roots that really would be calmer wouldn't it<

Funnily enough, I had a great-great-grandfat
her who married in a little village in the Yorkshire Dales in 1839 to a girl who came from Edinburgh. He was a hawker, according to the census, and later he went to Bradford and became the owner of a cab firm - horse-driven cabs, that is. Now, a hawker is very much a gypsy occupation and so is an involvement with horses. I've never worked out how he met his wife but, as she came from Scotland, I suspect they met on the road somewhere. Maybe they were gypsies, I wouldn't know, but it wouldn't bother me over much if they were. As a books commissioning editor for the Society of Genealogists I also commissioned a book called "My Ancestors Were Gypsies", so I am hardly opposed to the idea.

As a serious historical researcher, I accept whatever I find.

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Roy Stockdill says...
11:58pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Of course I'm aware of the safety issues with the Internet, Dora, but if you enter my name into Google you will find me all over the place. You will also find my date of birth on my Facebook page but it wouldn't do you much good because there are other identifiers which have to be considered.

You probably aren't aware of this but I could quite easily discover the maiden names of the mothers of everybody born in England and Wales since July 1st 1911 because the birth indexes of the General Register Offices are on the internet at several websites and can be accessed by anybody anywhere in the world. So you aren't telling me anything I don't already know! And, yes, I am cleverer than most people.

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Dora the explora says...
11:58pm Fri 8 Feb 13

And by the way Roy is it true you have been accused of being racist towards Muslims before???? It is on your blog for all to see

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Dora the explora says...
12:02am Sat 9 Feb 13

Everyone read Roy stock dills Charlie Chaplin piece on wo website, scroll down to the comments and Roy shows his true colours this is not the only time he has been racist

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Roy Stockdill says...
12:04am Sat 9 Feb 13

I will say again, you are a bunch of gutless cowards because you are frightened of posting in your own names and thus adding credibility to your views. Of course I'm not interested in your personal details because you are completely unimportant to me. I am far more interested now in resuming my researches into a very famous British-born Hollywood star for my blog.

I am now as bored with this as you claim to be, so I am signing off and will not be posting any further comments since I do not consider any of you of much consequence. As I said, give it a few days and this whole issue will have been forgotten. Thanks and goodnight!

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romanychristian says...
12:04am Sat 9 Feb 13

roy listen to the
radio on monday 8 am
103.8
good night god bless
i will pray for you

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Dora the explora says...
12:08am Sat 9 Feb 13

Yes phillypod that did cross my mind, why on earth do you want our names?? My husband is fuming at this. Roy I suggest you respect the fact that I feel it is not safe or suitable to publicise my name on here.

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1fthm123 says...
12:08am Sat 9 Feb 13

i read the blog dora lots of racist comments againts muslims on quite a number of occasions

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Dora the explora says...
12:10am Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy and people like Roy will also be in my prayers tonight. What is the world coming to. The phrase freedom of speech is abused far too often. Good night god bless roy

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Dora the explora says...
12:13am Sat 9 Feb 13

I actually think Roy has helped mrs watsons case against such racist attacks like she feels she has had. So thank you roy

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Dora the explora says...
12:21am Sat 9 Feb 13

Romany Christian you have lightend the mood, thank you! Lets hope all the nonsense Roy has said only helps mrs Watson case

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Roy Stockdill says...
5:48am Sat 9 Feb 13

I arose early this morning to resume my research labours and discovered that one or two of you were apparently going to remember me in your prayers. How kind, if somewhat patronising! However, I will take the charitable view that you meant well and thank you.

You should understand, though, that since I regard all religions and all mythical gods as merely the products of the immature human mind and bearing no relation whatsoever to physical actuality, the supposed power of prayer has no meaning for me.

But if you really wish to offer up prayers for a good cause, then pray that Bradford City beat Swansea City in the League Cup final at Wembley on Sunday, February 24. They probably need your prayers more than I do!

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romanychristian says...
7:58am Sat 9 Feb 13

Good morning Roy i trust you slept well ? N0 not patronising Roy
its Gods Will to turn the other cheek and love thy neighbour as thyself
Search Nicky Gumble He may give you the facts that you seem to always need.
Deos it matter who wins a game of football ?
Perhaps thats one reason this world is in such a mess.
Remember to listen to 103.8 monday at 8am -the reason we met up on here

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:14am Sat 9 Feb 13

103.8 appears to be BBC Radio Nottingham. Why on earth would I want to listen to that, even assuming I can receive it?

The reason the world is in such a mess, old boy, is nothing to do with football, it's something called religion which bedevils the earth and putrefies people's minds. So many billions of unthinking, uncritical, unchallenging, ignorant and backward people are held in thrall by the two most backward and medieval movements on the planet, Roman Catholicism and Islam, because they have had it thrust down their throats from birth and know no better.

Now please don't waffle on about God any more, LSC and I both find it very boring and nothing you say - and you are patronising - is going to change our minds.

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Dora the explora says...
8:42am Sat 9 Feb 13

LSc must be his his wife!!!!!!!
The only way Roy gets to "chat" with people is by being controversial, comes across as a very lonely. He has made a real fool of himself, he may be 70 but has come across very immature

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Phillypod says...
8:47am Sat 9 Feb 13

Dora, he just likes to argue. He is definitely what is wrong with the world, have you noticed he has turned Mrs Watsons loss , all about HIM ! His only reason to comment on here is to chat about HIS thoughts and HIS experiences and how right (!!!!!!!) he is and how wrong everyone else is. My word, I would not like to be sat next to him on my next flight to Monaco, can you imagine the flight chat? Yaaawwwwnnnn !

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Dora the explora says...
8:55am Sat 9 Feb 13

Well said phillypod. All we have really learnt from him, is what football team he supports, his background And wealth of family tree knowledge, he has a wife, he's 70, he likes cricket, obsest with charlie chaplin blah blah blah. Totally crackers if it ask me! I persume he only writes what ever what he wants about dead people as they cant answer him back and he is free to write what he wishes! i dont think he has any true and fair opinions abiut this issue.I hope mrs Watson is given a formal and public appology for what has happened to her and her grieving family. Otherwise this kind of thing will continue to happen to other families

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Dora the explora says...
8:57am Sat 9 Feb 13

Strange how roy dodged me mentioning he has been accused of being racist on here previously. WO should strong action against this man

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Roy Stockdill says...
9:02am Sat 9 Feb 13

Unless you cease your stream of invective I shall be forced to make a complaint to the administrators of this website, since you and Phillypod are now pursuing an obsessive vendetta.

I shall be making no further comments whatsoever, so don't waste your time posting any more because I will not be reading them.

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romanychristian says...
9:04am Sat 9 Feb 13

Steady Roy, take a pill you are going too deep.I mean no harm i have been filled with The Holy Spiritand simply love the world and all Gods creation.If its not for you fine, you will still get your chance to enter at The Gates Of Heaven

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Phillypod says...
9:04am Sat 9 Feb 13

Yes I had noticed he goaded and goaded you for not responding to him , when he thought he was right about entry to McDonalds.... But didn't comment about his other racial attack on Muslims.

Let all refuse to dignify his existence with anymore answers, that is what he wants so let's ignore the fool.

This is about Mrs Watson, not him. But Mrs Watson is just a traveller anyway, and got emotional at her husbands funeral. The naughty evil woman, fancy getting upset , what disgraceful behaviour.

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
9:09am Sat 9 Feb 13

Wow talk about going "off Topic"

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Dora the explora says...
9:10am Sat 9 Feb 13

Here here. I am here to support families like mrs Watson I'm not here to discuss Charlie Chaplin and his fan club. I have been witness to similar treatment like that of Hilton and its disgraceful I'm so glad that someone is trying to do something about it. Where I'm from mrs Watson now has many supporters and we will back her campaign all the way

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Phillypod says...
9:16am Sat 9 Feb 13

Dora the explora wrote:
Here here. I am here to support families like mrs Watson I'm not here to discuss Charlie Chaplin and his fan club. I have been witness to similar treatment like that of Hilton and its disgraceful I'm so glad that someone is trying to do something about it. Where I'm from mrs Watson now has many supporters and we will back her campaign all the way

I couldn't agree more Dora

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LSC says...
10:33am Sat 9 Feb 13

I don't really want to take any more part in this thread as it appears to have gone very silly and childish. But I would like to say that Roy and I are not a 'team', in fact we clash on here frequently.
But some subjects we happen to agree on. That is the great thing about open forums and free debate.

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LSC says...
10:55am Sat 9 Feb 13

You might also be interested in the story posted on this site this morning of a rave on private land being cancelled. Not only was it cancelled, but the organisers were arrested for "suspicion of conspiracy to commit a public nuisance".

So these people might actually go to court for attempting to organise a completely LEGAL event that never even happened.

It wasn't because of their race, religion or gender; it was because of past experience of these events. Not all raves end up with trouble, but the propensity of evidence was enough to not only have the private event cancelled, but for criminal proceedings to be taken.

That is a direct comparison and 'race' or discrimination quite obviously played no part whatsoever.

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Roy Stockdill says...
11:22am Sat 9 Feb 13

>But some subjects we happen to agree on. That is the great thing about open forums and free debate.<

I'm afraid that perceptions and interpretations of what constitutes free debates can differ and are sometimes not fully understood by those less able to conduct them with the appropriate decorum.

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Phillypod says...
11:30am Sat 9 Feb 13

How's Hayley? Is she ok today

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HertsPeter says...
12:21pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I've read all the comments. I don't always agree with Roy but I always admire his openness, including the fact he posts under his real name. I don't do that myself for what I consider good reasons (employment-related)
, but then again I also do not use my nom de plume to hide behind personal insults.

Dora and Phillypod etc., you may find a little more respect for your views if you were to tone down the personal nature of some of your comments.

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
12:28pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod you are so ready to use the Race card it's bordering on desperate! If you can't contribute to a debate without insults or the race card being used you should not take part! Any valid points you may have had have been far overshadowed by the childishness of your posts and Doras for that matter.

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Phillypod says...
1:37pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Number 12 fan , am I supposed to care what you think?

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LSC says...
1:50pm Sat 9 Feb 13

You make no sense. If it isn't about me, why do you keep hurling personal insults which are about me? I haven't done so to you. It is you who have led the debate to personalities of the posters rather than the subject in question.

I am not affluent, eloquent or amazing, but anyone who is can post here as much as they like if they have an opinion on a subject. I do not discriminate.

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LSC says...
1:54pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I see some posts have been deleted. Not by my request, if you want to just call me names it says more about you than me, so I'd have left them on.

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LSC says...
2:03pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I have never commented on your employment. I think you are getting over-excited.

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
2:16pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:
Oh for god sake, shut up a out you! You accused me of lying and not working for a Hotel didn't you!! I have no idea why the posts are deleted. For the record you sidekick involved you when he called my a pillock so he and you are both as childish as anyone! Just don't reply to me, your boring me massively.

I think you'll find that was ROY! you're getting a tad confused here. I'm just saying how futile and childish the debate got thats all and you throwing that word RACIST at everyone that doesn't happen to agree with you makes you look bad

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LSC says...
2:17pm Sat 9 Feb 13

@ Hornets number 12 fan: I thought it was quite good satire.

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Phillypod says...
2:19pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:

Phillypod wrote:
Oh for god sake, shut up a out you! You accused me of lying and not working for a Hotel didn't you!! I have no idea why the posts are deleted. For the record you sidekick involved you when he called my a pillock so he and you are both as childish as anyone! Just don't reply to me, your boring me massively.
I think you'll find that was ROY! you're getting a tad confused here. I'm just saying how futile and childish the debate got thats all and you throwing that word RACIST at everyone that doesn't happen to agree with you makes you look bad

I wasn't even aiming that at you, it was LSC, so get over yourself ! Seriously don't you have anything better to do? Iv never written on a forum in my life, your clearly an expert and a bit of a sad case really.

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LSC says...
2:29pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I repeat. I have never commented on your employment. Or your personality. I have simply debated points you made.
If you can't cope with defending your opinions, I suggest internet forums aren't the place for you.

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
2:37pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I know who you were aiming it at and I was correcting your mistake so maybe you should get over yourself!

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Phillypod says...
2:45pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC and hornet fan, just go away ! If you can't comment on MRS WATSON and the actual article, then just mind your own business ! This forum is obviously a hobby for you both. What an exciting pair you are!

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
2:47pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:
LSC and hornet fan, just go away ! If you can't comment on MRS WATSON and the actual article, then just mind your own business ! This forum is obviously a hobby for you both. What an exciting pair you are!

Apology accepted

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LSC says...
3:06pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:
LSC and hornet fan, just go away ! If you can't comment on MRS WATSON and the actual article, then just mind your own business ! This forum is obviously a hobby for you both. What an exciting pair you are!

I'm not sure you understand how this works. Mrs Watson ran to the press, hoping for a reaction. Well; she got one. You can't then complain about it just because you don't like it.

It wasn't me who started insulting people; I was commenting on the article.

And yes, local issues and local people are a hobby of mine. Perhaps if you took part in some of the other news on this site the area might benefit from your insight.

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Roy Stockdill says...
3:07pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I was going to bow out gracefully, now that the increasingly erratic Phillypod seems to have found new targets to attack, but I think it incumbent upon me to explain one thing to both him and Dora.

The ridiculous word "racist", as Hornets number 12 fan says, is often used wildly and illogically by the less articulate and less intelligent to lash out wildly and and smear anyone who happens not to agree with them. This is a very familiar tactic of the Loony Left, the politically correct and the so-called chattering classes who cannot bear anyone opposing their views.

LSC and I both oppose ALL religions without exception, which we have a perfect democratic and constitutional right to do. We are not bound to have religion forced upon us, as so many millions of people who are less analytical and less able to think for themselves seem to accept.

Among the religions which we oppose - certainly in my case, anyway - are Roman Catholicism and Islam, which I regard as backward, feudal and medieval movements in numerous aspects and, being probably the two largest religions in the world, a positive danger to the future enhancement of mankind. However, opposing a religion and a culture is not at all the same thing as adopting supposedly racist views about individual members of that religion. It is the religion and the culture we oppose, NOT individuals.

However, I suspect that neither Phillypod nor Dora are sufficiently sophisticated to understand the distinction.

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romanychristian says...
3:13pm Sat 9 Feb 13

deos seem a waste of time really unless one is a Christian trying hard to help others.
Its clear LSC and hornet know everything about DNA and race.
Roy knows all that is recorded by humans who could not possibly be capable of error-
I do not understand how anyone can hijack such sensitive issues simply to be heard.Everyone has a heart just let it out !
Meet ME and talk all 3 of you -i will travel anywhere to save you

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romanychristian says...
3:20pm Sat 9 Feb 13

so Roy and LSC wont require the services of a vicar at their funerals ?

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LSC says...
3:23pm Sat 9 Feb 13

romanychristian, you put your case politely and well. We do, of course, not agree and I am confident we still would not if we met in person.

But I must point out, as I did above, that it was not us who brought this 'sensitive issue' to public debate. There are complaints procedures and courts. If someone attempts to use the press as a weapon to strengthen their case, they should not be surprised if it backfires on them. I thought everybody knew this.

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Hornets number 12 fan says...
3:23pm Sat 9 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
deos seem a waste of time really unless one is a Christian trying hard to help others.
Its clear LSC and hornet know everything about DNA and race.
Roy knows all that is recorded by humans who could not possibly be capable of error-
I do not understand how anyone can hijack such sensitive issues simply to be heard.Everyone has a heart just let it out !
Meet ME and talk all 3 of you -i will travel anywhere to save you

You can help others without being bound by religion! Free thinkers don't need religion so you can forget the Bible bashing thanks

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LSC says...
3:26pm Sat 9 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
so Roy and LSC wont require the services of a vicar at their funerals ?

Chuck me in the compost for all I care, or better still use me for medical research; then i might do some good for my fellow man.

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Roy Stockdill says...
3:30pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I am sure you mean well, romanychristian, but it would be pointless since no-one is going to change any minds. In any event, I am much too busy with my work.

I should further point out that if anyone has hi-jacked the issue it was Mrs Watson who chose to take it to the press, no doubt hoping to expose the hotel and get some kind of revenge (and perhaps compensation, though I don't know whether that was in her mind or not). As LSC says, if she was expecting a reaction she got one. Having worked in newspapers, local and national, for well over 40 years, I know full well that if you go running to the press you must be prepared to accept the consequences of what might follow because it is the law of averages that not everyone will agree with you! There's an old saying that if you deal with the Devil (not that I believe in him any more than I believe in God, of course) you should sup with a very long spoon! Many celebrities who thought they could manipulate the press have found this out to their cost.

Personally, if I'd had a bad experience with a hotel I would write it off to just that - experience - vow never to go there again and tell all my friends not to go either. It would be the hotel's loss because they'd have lost business.

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Roy Stockdill says...
3:39pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>so Roy and LSC wont require the services of a vicar at their funerals ?<

No, I will request my family or whoever survives me to arrange a humanist funeral. The most moving funeral I ever went to was of a very old friend and colleague a few years ago. It was in a crematorium chapel and there were no hymns, no vicar, no priest, not even a humanist celebrant. My friend's daughter made a beautifully written, superbly delivered speech about her father which moved some people to tears because he'd been a very popular guy. Then she paused a few seconds, then walked to the stand where the coffin was laid and just pushed the button to despatch him. Then we all went to the pub and got drunk in his memory!

I don't expect you to understand this but not everyone cares for the rigmarole and excessive paraphernalia of religious ritual.

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romanychristian says...
3:45pm Sat 9 Feb 13

The newspapers got hold of the story- we did not approach them and it is going down the correct route
From my own point of view,and comments on here simply re-inforce that view, its time such discrimination is put to sleep.I could go on forever in Romany defence -where could they live without ever having somewhere to call home-there has to be a begining has there not ?Mrs Watson and thousands of others have taken that step-let them do so in peace.Do not discriminate because of Race a Race that clearly very few understand or have ANY knowledge of probably cos its not recorded in a book.nor though many have tried ,will it be

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LSC says...
3:57pm Sat 9 Feb 13

"Romany defence -where could they live without ever having somewhere to call home"

Well this is where i get confused. They choose to live in caravans and refuse council housing so they can move about. Many make no effort whatsoever to make roots in an area; they camp in B&Q car park then move on when it suits them or the law catches up with them. That is the reality, not your romantic lost people looking for a place to call home.

What 'home' are they looking for and where? Tell us, and we might come up with something.

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romanychristian says...
4:06pm Sat 9 Feb 13

You will mellow up there Roy i believe he still gives you one last chance at the Gates of Heaven to go in or stay outside .When you see whats there you will repent and enter |
Underneath that Yorkshire tru grit you are really a big softee- but please dont try and dismiss Christianity -question it by all means but dont dismiss

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Roy Stockdill says...
4:06pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>.I could go on forever in Romany defence -where could they live without ever having somewhere to call home-there has to be a begining has there not ?<

Well, they could get a mortgage and buy a house, or apply for social housing or rent private accommodation, like the vast majority of people in society have to do. If a group of people chooses deliberately to put themselves outside of what most of us consider society's norm, then that is their lifestyle choice and they will have to live with the potential consequences.

As I said much earlier in this debate - and nobody bothered to try and understand it, they just launched scurrilous attacks - I for one do not accept that travellers are a genuine ethnic race. Born and bred Romany gypsies yes, other travellers, no. Some seem to be just itinerant, disaffected hippies who are incapable of settling down anywhere. The cost of the Dale Farm dispute was horrendous to local residents, the local authority and society. Why should the majority be held to ransom by just one minority group?

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romanychristian says...
4:17pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy i get drunk every day reading the Bible and it costs nought! i have said my body is to go to medical research -but dought if my family will agree to that.
LSC you are discriminating- just stop and think it out-its right in front of you

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Roy Stockdill says...
4:17pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>You will mellow up there Roy i believe he still gives you one last chance at the Gates of Heaven to go in or stay outside .When you see whats there you will repent and enter<

Oooh...I can hardly wait! Really, you know you are getting patronising now. I wonder how disappointed you will be when you discover there really isn't anything after death at all, except of course you won't know about it will you? Likewise all those Muslims who believe they're going to go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins or be cast down into the fires of Hell!

Feel cost and comfy in your beliefs, I don't need them, thanks very much. The only aspect of religion that remotely interests me is that I am very grateful most of my ancestors went to church or chapel because it enables me to find them in the baptism, marriage and death registers, thus enabling me to trace my family history. That is my only interest in religious matters at all. Some of us, like LSC and I, are perfectly happy with our belief in Darwinism and the sensible, scientific view of the world and the development of the human race.

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Roy Stockdill says...
4:19pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>Roy i get drunk every day reading the Bible and it costs nought!<

Are you sure it isn't the communion wine?

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LSC says...
4:25pm Sat 9 Feb 13

"LSC you are discriminating- just stop and think it out-its right in front of you"

No sorry, I don't understand where I discriminated. I said that many live in caravans for mobility (for whatever reason), you said they are looking for a place to call home. I ask again, where would you like? We might be able to build some permanent housing there.

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romanychristian says...
4:27pm Sat 9 Feb 13

exactly my point -it has to be written/documented for you to believe.I suppose The Bible deos not qualify under that heading ?
At least you are now understanding born Romany Gypsy-give LSC some help

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Roy Stockdill says...
4:30pm Sat 9 Feb 13

What I have never been able to understand, or condone, about travellers is how if their desire is to travel and wander around the country, they then start demanding permanent sites? Moreover, as in the extreme case of Dale Farm they move onto a site and start putting down foundations and facilities without planning permission, blatantly flouting the law and causing society to spend many thousands of pounds to evict them. The problem is, they seem to want it all ways - and all their way.

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LSC says...
4:36pm Sat 9 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
exactly my point -it has to be written/documented for you to believe.I suppose The Bible deos not qualify under that heading ?
At least you are now understanding born Romany Gypsy-give LSC some help

I need it. I don't understand what you wrote at all.

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LSC says...
4:46pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Oh, I think I get it. You mean that science is written down and so is the bible so they are the same thing?

Like many christians you are misunderstanding non-christians. We don't believe in science in the same way you believe in gods. We don't have belief. We have evidence.
We have theories that might or might not be correct, but that is not the same as belief.

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romanychristian says...
4:49pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Well we are progressing somewhat !
The authorities have swept aside the ittinerant issue for light years-and in that time many of YOUR people new age travellers and all have jumped on the band wagon .The Romany has too much experience of confrontation as a minority group despised and chased through most of their time.
My family had the foresight to see it was time to settle and

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Roy Stockdill says...
5:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I am glad to see that you are now beginning to accept that the travellers movement has been hijacked by those who are not genuine gypsies at all.

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romanychristian says...
5:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

No Roy refers to documents etc as his proof-so i intro The Bible
There is only one true God .
Again i urge you to attend an Alfa course in your area -ask all your scientific questions and all else there thats what its for.Ask The Lord to come into your life and he will,then reap the rewards

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romanychristian says...
5:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

No Roy refers to documents etc as his proof-so i intro The Bible
There is only one true God .
Again i urge you to attend an Alfa course in your area -ask all your scientific questions and all else there thats what its for.Ask The Lord to come into your life and he will,then reap the rewards

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Roy Stockdill says...
5:03pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Really - I've told you, you are wasting your time! I do not have the time to waste going to pointless courses, even if I wanted to.

Please stop your gospelling and bible bashing and try it on somebody else.

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1fthm123 says...
5:03pm Sat 9 Feb 13

i must agree with phillipod dora romanychristian as the points lsc roy are making are racist and must fell as thou they are getting some kind of thrill out of this! this subject is about mrs watson and her family, the fact that she has been discrimanated against by the authorities and hilton hotel is beyond terrible this lady is grieving for her husband the fact these people could do this at such a sad time is ridiculous and malicious the authorities and the hilton must no what they have done is discrimanating rasict as none of whome will take the blame blaming one another is pathetic i will be behind mrs watson and her family all the way on this good look to the watson family

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Romadecor says...
5:52pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Romadecor is still reading and caring about the real issue which is a race issue.I hope to have my day in court if needed on this matter that is why i am silent on this issue but take great interest in all comments good and bad.I am an experienced human rights worker and are weighing up all comments to what action i take if any. Pastor Dennis Latham

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LSC says...
5:53pm Sat 9 Feb 13

1fthm123 wrote:
i must agree with phillipod dora romanychristian as the points lsc roy are making are racist and must fell as thou they are getting some kind of thrill out of this! this subject is about mrs watson and her family, the fact that she has been discrimanated against by the authorities and hilton hotel is beyond terrible this lady is grieving for her husband the fact these people could do this at such a sad time is ridiculous and malicious the authorities and the hilton must no what they have done is discrimanating rasict as none of whome will take the blame blaming one another is pathetic i will be behind mrs watson and her family all the way on this good look to the watson family

How poetically put. Apart from accusing me of being something I'm not, do you have a point?

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Roy Stockdill says...
5:55pm Sat 9 Feb 13

As a matter of interest, 1fthm123, were you ever taught correct English grammar at school, assuming you went to school? The above post doesn't appear to contain either a single capital letter, a break for breath anywhere or a single iota of punctuation and since I find it extremely hard to read, I shan't bother.

If you wish you opinions to have some credibility, I would suggest you find someone who can translate them into English for you.

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Roy Stockdill says...
6:00pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>Romadecor is still reading and caring about the real issue which is a race issue.I hope to have my day in court if needed on this matter that is why i am silent on this issue but take great interest in all comments good and bad.I am an experienced human rights worker and are weighing up all comments to what action i take if any. Pastor Dennis Latham<

That is your privilege. However, might I suggest you might have been more likely to have had the law on your side had you proceeded down the proper course in the first place and not allowed Mrs Watson to go running to the press? As I and others have pointed out, it was inevitable that not everyone would agree with her - or you - and that some of the reaction would not be entirely sympathetic. We don't all go squealing to the press when something goes wrong in our lives!

I might also say that your constant playing of the race card is not doing you any favours in some areas. It is such an easy cop-out to blame alleged racism when the issue is actually much more simple. But that seems to be the way the country is going now, i.e. obsessive political correctness is over-riding common sense.

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Dora the explora says...
6:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy you are unbelievable I am lost for words re your last post. I have never ever come across such an arrogant nasty piece of work as yourself. Go read the dictionary and leave any future comments to yourself. I was putting your ignorance down to your age perhaps being behind the times different generation and all that but no your just plainly an egotistical evil person. Go lecture someone else who cares as we don't, have some respect if not for yourself but for other fellow human beings. Your last comment has shown you up old squire well done I hear a round of applause from all

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LSC says...
6:02pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Romadecor wrote:
Romadecor is still reading and caring about the real issue which is a race issue.I hope to have my day in court if needed on this matter that is why i am silent on this issue but take great interest in all comments good and bad.I am an experienced human rights worker and are weighing up all comments to what action i take if any. Pastor Dennis Latham

I doubt you will get far in court, because this was a Public Order issue as far as the police were concerned, and a commercial issue as far as the hotel were concerned.
I fail to see where race even comes into it, not least because English Travellers aren't a race. But you carry on, we are all fans of the Human Rights Act around here and have great respect for it.

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Roy Stockdill says...
6:04pm Sat 9 Feb 13

If you had had an education, Dora, you would begin to understand that opinions couched in proper English are not only much easier to read but generally hold more sway and attract more credibility to the writer.

I have earned my living as a professional writer in one sphere or another for over 50 years and I find it rather sad that so few people here seem to have much idea at all of how to express the English language correctly. I blame modern education!

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Razor Sharp says...
6:05pm Sat 9 Feb 13

The decision to cancel her reservation was at short notice and unsympathetic given the circumstances, but it seems more like a balancing of interests issue than racism.

Assuming that a history of trouble with this community was evident, the hotel should not have accepted reservation in the first place. Cancelling at short notice is more of an issue than not accepting the booking in the first place, in my opinion.

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LSC says...
6:10pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:
The decision to cancel her reservation was at short notice and unsympathetic given the circumstances, but it seems more like a balancing of interests issue than racism.

Assuming that a history of trouble with this community was evident, the hotel should not have accepted reservation in the first place. Cancelling at short notice is more of an issue than not accepting the booking in the first place, in my opinion.

I don't think that would change the argument Razor. The claim is racism, and that would count at point of sale or at a later date.

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Dora the explora says...
6:30pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy I have a degree and I have had extremely expensive private schooling from the age of 3 until, I went on to university. I'm not here to let you know how many complicated words I know or can or can't spell and I'm not here to flaunt my educational or career highlights and achievements. You seem to be using these types of debates to promote yourself and to belittle others in an in dignified way . Just because you can spell and have beautiful punctuation and grammar this does not make you any better than anyone else. You are a nothing but a bully. Be dignified and don't write back on here as you are obviously uninterested in the matter in hand now. I'd like to say a lot more home truths to you but I will keep my dignity and respect and will rise above such filth your inflicting upon us all within this forum. Please go and flaunt your ego else where

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Hotpot123 says...
6:36pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I am a gypsy. And I can tell you now, the reason I do not want associated with you lot (as you often refer to us) because my children are simply not safe. There are more fights at one of your football matches, than the whole of Appleby fair week, the biggest gypsy gathering there is! You have whore houses on your council estates, smack heads shooting up on street corners and in children's parks, you are the society of "Jeremy Kyle", as romany christian said, only god can help you lot, you really do need the help. Your children are not safe even from their own family's , your prisons are full of peaodphiles, and rapists let alone your OWN tax evaders. Sitting in your conservatories with your 52 inch televisions, whilst my husband is out Tarmacing drives , PAYING tax, For your obese arses to claim the benefits you seem to think we do! In our community, there are no children giving birth at 9 years old, our children could run around naked and that would still never happen. Their granddad and uncles certainly wouldn't be touching them up ,You only have to watch the news to see what your people are up to! I would not allow you dirty scumbags near my field. Your people are track suit wearing, disability claiming, benefit seeking, smack heads, lots are unemployed, your children are beaten and burned with cigarettes ,baby P? Your children organise mass riots,...... Not nice being stereotyped is it?

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Dora the explora says...
6:39pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Hotpot you are absolutely spot on. I as I've Said am a non traveller married to a traveller and what you have said is absolutely correct!!!!!!!

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Dora the explora says...
6:44pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Actually I think it would be quite beneficial if more travellers comment on here I think Roy has occupied this debate for far too long now and is continuing to drive us away from the real issue. Roy please don't stereotype it is not fair and I'm saying this as a non traveller like you

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Phillypod says...
6:48pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Dora, you must be creased up laughing? Why when your sitting on an iPad rushing about would you care about punctuation ? Is this going to print or ami missing something? I see these two fine English gents have had a productive day, messing about arguing all day (Roy Mr entrepreneur writer is obviously short of time!! hmmmmm) it's just a past time for bored, deluded old fools. I suggest a weekend in the South Of France and some veuve to calm there old wrinkly stale brains a little.

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Roy Stockdill says...
6:48pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I wasn't referring to you, Dora, I was referring to the post from 1fthm123 which was so illiterate as to be virtually unreadable - almost a dozen lines of continuous verbiage without a single capital letter, pause for breath or a single iota of punctuation.

But perhaps the writer is a fan of the style of writing known as a "stream of consciousness" as witnessed in James Joyce's Ulysses. On the other hand, it seems more likely that the extensive use of texting on mobile phones is making most of the nation illiterate!

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Razor Sharp says...
6:57pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:
The decision to cancel her reservation was at short notice and unsympathetic given the circumstances, but it seems more like a balancing of interests issue than racism.

Assuming that a history of trouble with this community was evident, the hotel should not have accepted reservation in the first place. Cancelling at short notice is more of an issue than not accepting the booking in the first place, in my opinion.
I don't think that would change the argument Razor. The claim is racism, and that would count at point of sale or at a later date.

That is if they can legally demonstrate that they belong to a race. Without that, it is merely prejudice.

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Roy Stockdill says...
7:00pm Sat 9 Feb 13

You know, you really should read some of the other posts from people who oppose your views, Dora. I am far from being the only one. Nobody seems to remember the earlier stages of the thread when Garston Tony, stuegs, Hornets number 12 fan, Skidder1066, LSC and Razor Sharp all expressed similar views.

Just because you think something is wrong it doesn't mean we all must agree with you. Perhaps the concept of freedom of speech has passed you by?

It has also been pointed out that if Mrs Watson and her supporters decided to go running to the press squealing about racism, then they cannot expect all to agree with them. She was the one who got onto the press, not us. As I said previously, if you choose to sup with the Devil (in this case the Devil being the press) you should use a long spoon!

Personally, I get fed up of the constant whinging and whining of people who go on and on about their human rights and see perceived offence everywhere because they are hypersensitive. The Human Rights Act has become little more than a charter for disaffected people, fuelled of course by avaricious lawyers. Most of us meet setbacks in our lives but we don't fret and run to the press about it - we apply a bit of backbone and get on with our lives.

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Dora the explora says...
7:02pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy for all u know 1fthm123 may be Oxbridge educated who @@&&##*** cares! This is not a debate about spelling, this is a debate about a family whom feel that strongly about what has happened to them they want to make the public aware of what attacks and many others like them receive from non travellers like you and me. They are an ethnic minority whom from experience often let this type of discrimination go as they have known it all their lives. Maybe the next generation could be accepted by our people Roy ................. And once and for all we are all treated equal

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Phillypod says...
7:08pm Sat 9 Feb 13

How does Royster know Mrs Watson " ran and squealed" to the press? That's what I call assuming.... He seems to know a lot about Mrs Watson, perhaps he is a stalker ?

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Phillypod says...
7:13pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy is using this site to publicise his drivel ! What he calls writing. If he was so amazing and world class at his ridiculous job, would he have time to demonise Mrs Watson? No!

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Dora the explora says...
7:15pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod that was a lovely story. What goes around comes around. If you show respect to people you will recieve respect back. Yes we are all here to hear views from all sides and all opinions count, but to come across so arrogant and just plain evil makes a mockery of anything constructive you may have to say Roy. I really hope you have learned something over the last 24hours, but then again they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

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Roy Stockdill says...
7:21pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Clearly, the concept of freedom of speech, expression and opinion has passed some posters by and it is a feature of our democracy, established over many centuries, which does not exist in some intolerant minds.

BTW, as several posters - not just I - have pointed out, travellers are NOT an ethnic minority. Even your friend romanychristian conceded that their ranks have been hijacked by New Age hippies. The only ethnic minority are genuine Romany gypsies, which the majority of travellers are not. I think you will find that LSC pointed this out also.

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Dora the explora says...
7:24pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Mrs Watson mentions a law to protect English travellers maybe this should be discussed rather than Roy's random off topic babble. Maybe mrs Watson should start some sort of petition?? And before you start mr fancy pants (I'm obviously referring to the highly educated Roy) no I'm not a lawyer but I have no experience with such things but as this is a debate perhaps this is something a but more productive for the issue I'd like to suggest

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Roy Stockdill says...
7:25pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I refuse to engage in any kind of exchange with Phillypod who has not had a single articulate or sensible word to offer throughout this whole debate. I have reported some of his more offensive posts to the administrators. Free speech does not extend to anything that is false, abusive or malicious, as it states at the bottom of this page. I feel sure others will support my stand.

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Dora the explora says...
7:36pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Come on Roy u asked for it really, don't dish out what you can't take be fair. Good night god bless I have a life to get on with. I will keep checking these posts but only to see what is being done productively to help families like mrs Watson as I for one am full heartedly behind her and would like to show my support somehow whether it be a petition, a Facebook campaign....???? Mrs Watson and family good luck there are people who are not travellers whom feel for you through this awful experience, but not all non travellers are gypsy haters I promise you

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Romadecor says...
7:40pm Sat 9 Feb 13

As a Liaison worker for Gypsies/Travellers i have to see both sides Roy.As a Pastor to Gypsies and Travellers i take the same view.No way will i get in a slanging match with any one Gypsy or gorga.I look at the facts then take them to my human rights advisors Could not advise about going to the press as i saw it through a press release .By the way Romany Gypsies,Irish Travellers and Sottish Travellers are a protected race under European law and i have to follow those laws

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Phillypod says...
7:41pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I refuse to engage in any kind of exchange with Phillypod who has not had a single articulate or sensible word to offer throughout this whole debate. I have reported some of his more offensive posts to the administrators. Free speech does not extend to anything that is false, abusive or malicious, as it states at the bottom of this page. I feel sure others will support my stand.

Roy. I feel I may be falling in love with you. Your a marvellous human being I want you in my life, every sitting room should have "a Roy"

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Phillypod says...
7:43pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Note Roy didn't comment on hotpot123, an actual gypsy ....

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Roy Stockdill says...
7:46pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>but not all non travellers are gypsy haters I promise you<

You see, yet again, you get it wrong!!! We do not hate gypsies, we simply do not accept that all travellers are gypsies. Quite simply, they are not.

I mentioned earlier in this thread, but some of you are so ignorant or short-sighted that you didn't notice it, that I am the commissioning editor, wearing one of my numerous hats, of a series of books for the Society of Genealogists in London called "My Ancestors Were....." . One of our books is called "My Ancestors Were Gypsies", a very good and comprehensive review of how to trace gypsy ancestors. Do you really imagine I would have been an editor of that work if I hated gypsies? But the book is about proper gypsies, not hanger-on travellers, but you clearly don't understand the difference.

Unfortunately, you seem to be so obsessive in your views that you don't understand what some of us are trying to say.

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Phillypod says...
7:53pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy, how do you know if Mrs Watson is a hippie, traveller or gypsy... Go on ? Do enlighten us as to where you got your facts from. Did you dig up Charlie Chaplin and ask him?

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Roy Stockdill says...
7:53pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>By the way Romany Gypsies,Irish Travellers and Sottish Travellers are a protected race under European law and i have to follow those laws<

Utter twaddle. Romany gypsies are a genuine ethnic race, Irish and Scottish Travellers are not, whatever nonsensical European laws may say. What about Yorkshire Travellers, then? Are they a protected race or is the European government racist also?

I wonder your human rights advisers don't advise you what an absurd dog's breakfast the Human Rights Act has become.

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Posh paws says...
7:57pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Well I am absolutely flabbergasted, disgusted and ashamed as a non gypsy to read these comments.
The main argument has been completely forgotten.
A woman, a human being, lost the man she loved! An already stressful and emotional time was made even worse, by an un compassionate and openly racist hotel chain.
At times of sorrow and grief we look for kindness in others. Mrs Watson was denied this.
In 2013, we are all so politically correct, we have to use the correct terminology for everything, words such as '****' and 'Nig nog '' deemed as racist and offencive! Even carry a jail sentence.
With this in mind isn't it mind blowing to think that a group of individuals were denied access because they were deemed 'gypsies.'
The traveller community do not make any demands on society. They do not require their own place of worship, their own laws, own way of killing animals, their own clothing to coincide with their religion, own language. Nor do they plot to blow up innocent people! In the name of their own belief.
England seems to be tolerant of all of these religions and races, but the poor traveller community are treated like second class citizens, with no human rights. Why??
My best friend is is a gypsy, she is one of the most honest, decent, hardworking, compassionate people I know.
She comes from a world where men are men and woman are women. What is so wrong with this?
Leave the gypsy people in peace to live as they wish, and grant them the same rights as the rest of the United Kingdom, just like we do for Muslims, Jews and Christians alike.
Mrs Watson I hope you are given a formal and public apology for the racial hatred you have suffered. My thoughts are with you.

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romanychristian says...
8:03pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Oh come on Roy !
You cannot need backup from those posters ! they just have not got any idea of lifes realities -Anyone giving credence whatsoever to their comments needs help.
Most "travellers" and i use that description because that is the word now used as the "norm" and accepted foolishly by Romany including myself,have not receved a good education as you have.
What they have received is a good education in life and how to live in a hostile world indeed living off the land in times.No not a romantic notion,the truth !
Could you find food 5 days out of 7 ?Well many do- hares,rabbits,fish,n
ettles and all else that God provided for that purpose.
I say 5 out of 7 because the other 2 days would and deos include "barter" a perfectly legitimate activity recongised by HMRC (VAT SECTION).You want a history lesson meet up with me i will give it to you

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Phillypod says...
8:16pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?... Does he think she skipped or ran or jogged to the press when she "squealed" and I wonder if Roy " knows" what she was wearing at this said event. He knows everything so he must...

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:17pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Oh dear, put your violin away!

The fact is that the travelling community are not poor (some of them have caravans worth more than some people's houses) and they DO make demands on society. They appear to think that their rights take precedence over the rights of the rest of us, which gives them the right to invade other people's property, flout planning laws, seize control of land and ignore the local council as at Dale Farm, which cost society many hundreds of thousands of pounds to evict them. Local residents at Dale Farm reported that their lives were made a complete misery by the travellers, who even used the gardens of residents to "do their business in" because they were so unsociable and uncivilised.

And as I keep on stating, the majority of travellers are NOT genuine gypsies. They are an amalgam of real gypsies, Irish and Scottish tinkers and disaffected, leftover New Age hippies .

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romanychristian says...
8:24pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy
the very point of all this is Racial Discrimination and wether or not that was the case-ok do we agree on that ?
Then you are now arguing with yourself !
The Watson family were said/tagged/decribed
/whatever term you care to use, as Gypsy. That resulted in the booking being cancelled that is DISCRIMINATION TOWARD THE WATSON FAMILY because of the tagging/banding/desc
ription of them as a group of Enthic background-it has happened for centuries -it always will We .We simply draw a line when it happens at such a time.My family were settled for 70 years i was and still am verbally abused by idiots .Until i became a Christian i met that with fists immature as that was, but never defence used that in court rooms

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:24pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>Most "travellers" and i use that description because that is the word now used as the "norm" and accepted foolishly by Romany including myself,have not receved a good education as you have.
What they have received is a good education in life and how to live in a hostile world indeed living off the land in times.<

Perhaps they should have joined the rest of us in the real world a long time ago, bought a house, got a job and a pension, paid their taxes and taken a role in normal society.

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Hotpot123 says...
8:27pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Yeah yeah Roy, you know how wealthy Gypsys are because you and Hayley know everything! Your the ultimate Gypsy guru my friend. Your amazing. Romanychristian, I doubt you have a violin, your a traveller!

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LSC says...
8:29pm Sat 9 Feb 13

"The traveller community do not make any demands on society."

What, like living on other people's land, not clearing up after themselves, not paying certain taxes and building on Greenbelt without permission?

Good point, well made.

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Hotpot123 says...
8:31pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>Most "travellers" and i use that description because that is the word now used as the "norm" and accepted foolishly by Romany including myself,have not receved a good education as you have.
What they have received is a good education in life and how to live in a hostile world indeed living off the land in times.<

Perhaps they should have joined the rest of us in the real world a long time ago, bought a house, got a job and a pension, paid their taxes and taken a role in normal society.

I doubt Rafael van der Vart , lives in a field, perhaps a mansion, within a field? Or the Brazilian president, is he in " norm" society!! Hotpot123 has told you all about YOUR society !

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Hotpot123 says...
8:32pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Ask me about my comment Roy, I'd like to know your thoughts. Hotpot123

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LSC says...
8:33pm Sat 9 Feb 13

"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.

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Razor Sharp says...
8:36pm Sat 9 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
Oh come on Roy !
You cannot need backup from those posters ! they just have not got any idea of lifes realities -Anyone giving credence whatsoever to their comments needs help.
Most "travellers" and i use that description because that is the word now used as the "norm" and accepted foolishly by Romany including myself,have not receved a good education as you have.
What they have received is a good education in life and how to live in a hostile world indeed living off the land in times.No not a romantic notion,the truth !
Could you find food 5 days out of 7 ?Well many do- hares,rabbits,fish,n

ettles and all else that God provided for that purpose.
I say 5 out of 7 because the other 2 days would and deos include "barter" a perfectly legitimate activity recongised by HMRC (VAT SECTION).You want a history lesson meet up with me i will give it to you

No doubt travellers have probably faced discrimination and segregation and experienced unpredictable lives. In part, it is the choice they or their families and parents have made. That's life. We all have to deal with the vicissitudes of life.

How would a law protect Mrs Watson? For a hotel chain, circumventing legal requirements is not difficult. There are loopholes and flexible interpretations abound in law today.

Assuming that it was made illegal to discriminate against all travellers, a hotel could still say that it could not accommodate such an event, or it was fully booked, or request written details of the event before declining the booking for various management, resourcing or other justifiable reasons.

Race / prejudice aside, no one should have their booking cancelled at such short notice. Mrs Watson and her friends and family probably made a number of arrangements and expended funds to meet at the venue. Had they not accepted her booking in the first place, she could have made alternative arrangements. It is this aspect/treatment I find unacceptable, regardless of arguments on 'race' and/or prejudice.

As for treatment of the traveller community in society and how the law could extend to protect them is a complex debate. The education system and Ofsted inspection frameworks from September 2012 already considers them as a group, together with other minority groups, so some change is on the way.

[quote][p][bold]romanychristian[/bold] wrote: Oh come on Roy ! You cannot need backup from those posters ! they just have not got any idea of lifes realities -Anyone giving credence whatsoever to their comments needs help. Most "travellers" and i use that description because that is the word now used as the "norm" and accepted foolishly by Romany including myself,have not receved a good education as you have. What they have received is a good education in life and how to live in a hostile world indeed living off the land in times.No not a romantic notion,the truth ! Could you find food 5 days out of 7 ?Well many do- hares,rabbits,fish,n ettles and all else that God provided for that purpose. I say 5 out of 7 because the other 2 days would and deos include "barter" a perfectly legitimate activity recongised by HMRC (VAT SECTION).You want a history lesson meet up with me i will give it to you[/p][/quote]No doubt travellers have probably faced discrimination and segregation and experienced unpredictable lives. In part, it is the choice they or their families and parents have made. That's life. We all have to deal with the vicissitudes of life. How would a law protect Mrs Watson? For a hotel chain, circumventing legal requirements is not difficult. There are loopholes and flexible interpretations abound in law today. Assuming that it was made illegal to discriminate against all travellers, a hotel could still say that it could not accommodate such an event, or it was fully booked, or request written details of the event before declining the booking for various management, resourcing or other justifiable reasons. Race / prejudice aside, no one should have their booking cancelled at such short notice. Mrs Watson and her friends and family probably made a number of arrangements and expended funds to meet at the venue. Had they not accepted her booking in the first place, she could have made alternative arrangements. It is this aspect/treatment I find unacceptable, regardless of arguments on 'race' and/or prejudice. As for treatment of the traveller community in society and how the law could extend to protect them is a complex debate. The education system and Ofsted inspection frameworks from September 2012 already considers them as a group, together with other minority groups, so some change is on the way. Razor Sharp

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:36pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I reported it to the administrators of the website for obscenity and offensiveness.

It was removed once and you posted it again.

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Phillypod says...
8:38pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:
"The traveller community do not make any demands on society."

What, like living on other people's land, not clearing up after themselves, not paying certain taxes and building on Greenbelt without permission?

Good point, well made.

Do football fans clear up after themselves? Does Gary Barlow or jimmy Carr pay their taxes? Who cares about the green belt?? Are they hurting YOU? No!

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Phillypod says...
8:40pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Why Roy? Did the truth hurt, what he said was very true! Razor sharp, blunt as butter more like and thicker than an oak tree.

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romanychristian says...
8:46pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy you are wandering again.
How many times have i told you they would have,given the chance .How could they get ito a system that did not recognise the difficulties ? Sucessive governments failed to deal with it and as i have told it ran amok.
When some sensible forward thinking person allowed or encouraged private sites , as is Mrs Watsons, then many gratefully seized that opportunity. What they failed to do was carry that on and further develop areas for the poorer "travellers" or the masses from your culture that hide beneath that banner.
I could suggest a total amnesty to all until they get into the system that you so desire but do you honestly believe that these people have no trace ?They have driving licences and vehicles that in itself proves that.
I am not a gambling man but if they are not in the system they are losing out big style- imagine the vat they lose on everything they purchase !

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LSC says...
8:46pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"The traveller community do not make any demands on society."

What, like living on other people's land, not clearing up after themselves, not paying certain taxes and building on Greenbelt without permission?

Good point, well made.
Do football fans clear up after themselves? Does Gary Barlow or jimmy Carr pay their taxes? Who cares about the green belt?? Are they hurting YOU? No!

Football fans pay a lot of money to go to games; clearing up after them is factored into the price. People who avoid taxes are in the wrong, be they celebs or travellers.
I care very much about the Green Belt actually.
Are they hurting me? Well, yes. When they used the corner of B&Q car park as a toilet, it was my taxes that were used to pay people to clear the human feaces up. Why am I wrong to dislike that?

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:48pm Sat 9 Feb 13

>As for treatment of the traveller community in society and how the law could extend to protect them is a complex debate. The education system and Ofsted inspection frameworks from September 2012 already considers them as a group, together with other minority groups, so some change is on the way.<

Why do they need any protection at all? Whatever the government says, they are NOT an identifiable persecuted community or an ethnic minority. They made a very deliberate lifestyle choice when they chose to put themselves outside the parameters of normal society. As my 102-year-old mother-in-law would say, they made their bed so they must lie on it. Why do they expect special treatment? What about the great silent majority? Don't we have rights also? Why is it only minority groups that

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Phillypod says...
8:48pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.

The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.

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Phillypod says...
8:50pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
>As for treatment of the traveller community in society and how the law could extend to protect them is a complex debate. The education system and Ofsted inspection frameworks from September 2012 already considers them as a group, together with other minority groups, so some change is on the way.<

Why do they need any protection at all? Whatever the government says, they are NOT an identifiable persecuted community or an ethnic minority. They made a very deliberate lifestyle choice when they chose to put themselves outside the parameters of normal society. As my 102-year-old mother-in-law would say, they made their bed so they must lie on it. Why do they expect special treatment? What about the great silent majority? Don't we have rights also? Why is it only minority groups that

Your not exactly silent now ate you? Come on stop fibbing Roy.

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Razor Sharp says...
8:51pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:
Why Roy? Did the truth hurt, what he said was very true! Razor sharp, blunt as butter more like and thicker than an oak tree.

You make me laugh.

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Phillypod says...
8:51pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"The traveller community do not make any demands on society."

What, like living on other people's land, not clearing up after themselves, not paying certain taxes and building on Greenbelt without permission?

Good point, well made.
Do football fans clear up after themselves? Does Gary Barlow or jimmy Carr pay their taxes? Who cares about the green belt?? Are they hurting YOU? No!
Football fans pay a lot of money to go to games; clearing up after them is factored into the price. People who avoid taxes are in the wrong, be they celebs or travellers.
I care very much about the Green Belt actually.
Are they hurting me? Well, yes. When they used the corner of B&Q car park as a toilet, it was my taxes that were used to pay people to clear the human feaces up. Why am I wrong to dislike that?

That must be one big car park if EVERY gypsy managed to take a dump in the corner off it. Just saying !

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Phillypod says...
8:53pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:
Why Roy? Did the truth hurt, what he said was very true! Razor sharp, blunt as butter more like and thicker than an oak tree.
You make me laugh.

Likewise

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Phillypod says...
8:55pm Sat 9 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
Roy you are wandering again.
How many times have i told you they would have,given the chance .How could they get ito a system that did not recognise the difficulties ? Sucessive governments failed to deal with it and as i have told it ran amok.
When some sensible forward thinking person allowed or encouraged private sites , as is Mrs Watsons, then many gratefully seized that opportunity. What they failed to do was carry that on and further develop areas for the poorer "travellers" or the masses from your culture that hide beneath that banner.
I could suggest a total amnesty to all until they get into the system that you so desire but do you honestly believe that these people have no trace ?They have driving licences and vehicles that in itself proves that.
I am not a gambling man but if they are not in the system they are losing out big style- imagine the vat they lose on everything they purchase !

They are only travellers sir, they can't spell vat surely? Only a genius like Roy understands how to spell vat.

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LSC says...
8:56pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.

So you don't want me to comment on the information given? Er... that makes debate a little difficult.

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:56pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote...>Are they hurting me? Well, yes. When they used the corner of B&Q car park as a toilet, it was my taxes that were used to pay people to clear the human feaces up. Why am I wrong to dislike that?<

I saw a major TV documentary at the time of the Dale Farm fracas in which the programme makers tried very hard to be fair to both sides. They interviewed some traveller teenage girls who really could not understand that some people found it unacceptable that they dropped their human waste in people's gardens, in the woods and on public footpaths. They said it was dirty to use a toilet in the caravan where it might infect food! The thought that people might be upset by treading in their mess when walking in the woods did not seem to have occurred to them. Apparently, it was their "culture", so the rest of us had to put up with it.

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Razor Sharp says...
8:57pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.

Take Mrs Watson's shoe size and add 80 to it and we have your IQ Phillypod.

Based on your earlier post, I will go away and spread myself on a suitable oak tree. Any you could recommend from experience?

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Phillypod says...
8:57pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I refuse to engage in any kind of exchange with Phillypod who has not had a single articulate or sensible word to offer throughout this whole debate. I have reported some of his more offensive posts to the administrators. Free speech does not extend to anything that is false, abusive or malicious, as it states at the bottom of this page. I feel sure others will support my stand.

But Roy, we are friends? We are gods children, that means we have a bond. No?

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LSC says...
8:58pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"The traveller community do not make any demands on society."

What, like living on other people's land, not clearing up after themselves, not paying certain taxes and building on Greenbelt without permission?

Good point, well made.
Do football fans clear up after themselves? Does Gary Barlow or jimmy Carr pay their taxes? Who cares about the green belt?? Are they hurting YOU? No!
Football fans pay a lot of money to go to games; clearing up after them is factored into the price. People who avoid taxes are in the wrong, be they celebs or travellers.
I care very much about the Green Belt actually.
Are they hurting me? Well, yes. When they used the corner of B&Q car park as a toilet, it was my taxes that were used to pay people to clear the human feaces up. Why am I wrong to dislike that?
That must be one big car park if EVERY gypsy managed to take a dump in the corner off it. Just saying !

You are beginning to make shooting fish in a barrel a difficult pastime.

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Phillypod says...
9:01pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
Take Mrs Watson's shoe size and add 80 to it and we have your IQ Phillypod.

Based on your earlier post, I will go away and spread myself on a suitable oak tree. Any you could recommend from experience?

Razor, stop **** kissing LSC. Your unnerving me. My IQ is irrelevant, I'm married to a multi millionaire, I don't need to be in Mensa, iv made it regardless.. Off to Monaco on Monday, you working 9-5? Thought so

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romanychristian says...
9:03pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Because that minority group were swepted aside Roy
Many others entering this country not born here have had special treatment-Harrods store owner springs to mind in the taxation dept.
I dont have a problem with that, thats for the various bodies to decide.How far do you want to go with this ?Moutbatten-Prince Charles uncle-killed and yet the killers released early i suspect in the name of peace.Learn to forgive and show compassion Roy- there are many things we fail to comprehend but God loves us all that is for sure

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Phillypod says...
9:04pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
So you don't want me to comment on the information given? Er... that makes debate a little difficult.

I thought you were clever?

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LSC says...
9:04pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Sorry, I thought I was the partner of Roy? Now Razor? I've never been so popular!
Perhaps, just perhaps, none of us know each other at all and just happen to share the same opinion?

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Razor Sharp says...
9:06pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
Take Mrs Watson's shoe size and add 80 to it and we have your IQ Phillypod.

Based on your earlier post, I will go away and spread myself on a suitable oak tree. Any you could recommend from experience?
Razor, stop **** kissing LSC. Your unnerving me. My IQ is irrelevant, I'm married to a multi millionaire, I don't need to be in Mensa, iv made it regardless.. Off to Monaco on Monday, you working 9-5? Thought so

LOL! I don't work 9-5. I'm busy on a consultancy project and am dipping in and out of this debate for light relief.

Post some snaps of Monaco on your return.

If I'm kissing LSC, you're probably taking a dump in all four corners of the car park you referred to, just for LSC's benefit.

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LSC says...
9:07pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
So you don't want me to comment on the information given? Er... that makes debate a little difficult.
I thought you were clever?

Did you? How flattering. If only I could be so generous in return.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:07pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:
Sorry, I thought I was the partner of Roy? Now Razor? I've never been so popular!
Perhaps, just perhaps, none of us know each other at all and just happen to share the same opinion?

Yes ..... perhaps we're just normal!

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Dora the explora says...
9:11pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy you are tarnishing everyone with same brush, well when I say everyone all gypsys. Myself and my traveller husband live in a lovely village, sought after area, desirable post code, above average cost of houses etc etc ...... The neighbour to our left beats his wife regularly, and their are well known "wife swoppers" in the village - all of these people are not from the traveling community and do not have Romany blood. So Roy does this mean you beat ur wife and are fond of the occasional wife swop!!?? Roy my advice is to think before speak!!

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Phillypod says...
9:12pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
Take Mrs Watson's shoe size and add 80 to it and we have your IQ Phillypod.

Based on your earlier post, I will go away and spread myself on a suitable oak tree. Any you could recommend from experience?
Razor, stop **** kissing LSC. Your unnerving me. My IQ is irrelevant, I'm married to a multi millionaire, I don't need to be in Mensa, iv made it regardless.. Off to Monaco on Monday, you working 9-5? Thought so
LOL! I don't work 9-5. I'm busy on a consultancy project and am dipping in and out of this debate for light relief.

Post some snaps of Monaco on your return.

If I'm kissing LSC, you're probably taking a dump in all four corners of the car park you referred to, just for LSC's benefit.

I have 6 bathrooms in my house, it his one as I have several. So I dump in luxury , however if I was desperate and the car park was attached to the Hermes shop, I may just try the corner.

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Phillypod says...
9:13pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:

LSC wrote:
Sorry, I thought I was the partner of Roy? Now Razor? I've never been so popular!
Perhaps, just perhaps, none of us know each other at all and just happen to share the same opinion?
Yes ..... perhaps we're just normal!

No. Your not normal.

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Phillypod says...
9:14pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
So you don't want me to comment on the information given? Er... that makes debate a little difficult.
I thought you were clever?
Did you? How flattering. If only I could be so generous in return.

I doubt your generous. Highly doubt it. Can you afford to be? Possibly not..

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Phillypod says...
9:15pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
Take Mrs Watson's shoe size and add 80 to it and we have your IQ Phillypod.

Based on your earlier post, I will go away and spread myself on a suitable oak tree. Any you could recommend from experience?
Razor, stop **** kissing LSC. Your unnerving me. My IQ is irrelevant, I'm married to a multi millionaire, I don't need to be in Mensa, iv made it regardless.. Off to Monaco on Monday, you working 9-5? Thought so
LOL! I don't work 9-5. I'm busy on a consultancy project and am dipping in and out of this debate for light relief.

Post some snaps of Monaco on your return.

If I'm kissing LSC, you're probably taking a dump in all four corners of the car park you referred to, just for LSC's benefit.
I have 6 bathrooms in my house, it his one as I have several. So I dump in luxury , however if I was desperate and the car park was attached to the Hermes shop, I may just try the corner.

Try a movie or a cold glass of veuve, better for light relief I would have thought?

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Razor Sharp says...
9:17pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod, why aren't you 'attending' to your multi-millionairess on a Saturday night, or does she seek 'attention on demand' ('pay-as-you-go' male tariff)?

Why aren't you packing for Monaco, or do you have an attendant to do that for you, paid by the rich Mrs?

Why aren't you at the car park, making it inviting for LSC or are you jealous of us kissing?

As far as your reference to me as butter is concerned, perhaps that's a reflection of a fetish you have, probably a remnant from parts of 'Last Tango in Paris'.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:18pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
Take Mrs Watson's shoe size and add 80 to it and we have your IQ Phillypod.

Based on your earlier post, I will go away and spread myself on a suitable oak tree. Any you could recommend from experience?
Razor, stop **** kissing LSC. Your unnerving me. My IQ is irrelevant, I'm married to a multi millionaire, I don't need to be in Mensa, iv made it regardless.. Off to Monaco on Monday, you working 9-5? Thought so
LOL! I don't work 9-5. I'm busy on a consultancy project and am dipping in and out of this debate for light relief.

Post some snaps of Monaco on your return.

If I'm kissing LSC, you're probably taking a dump in all four corners of the car park you referred to, just for LSC's benefit.
I have 6 bathrooms in my house, it his one as I have several. So I dump in luxury , however if I was desperate and the car park was attached to the Hermes shop, I may just try the corner.

Try the Harlequin, when they have renamed it "Intu"!

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Razor Sharp says...
9:22pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Dora the explora wrote:
Roy you are tarnishing everyone with same brush, well when I say everyone all gypsys. Myself and my traveller husband live in a lovely village, sought after area, desirable post code, above average cost of houses etc etc ...... The neighbour to our left beats his wife regularly, and their are well known "wife swoppers" in the village - all of these people are not from the traveling community and do not have Romany blood. So Roy does this mean you beat ur wife and are fond of the occasional wife swop!!?? Roy my advice is to think before speak!!

Who said village life was boring!

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Phillypod says...
9:22pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
Take Mrs Watson's shoe size and add 80 to it and we have your IQ Phillypod.

Based on your earlier post, I will go away and spread myself on a suitable oak tree. Any you could recommend from experience?
Razor, stop **** kissing LSC. Your unnerving me. My IQ is irrelevant, I'm married to a multi millionaire, I don't need to be in Mensa, iv made it regardless.. Off to Monaco on Monday, you working 9-5? Thought so
LOL! I don't work 9-5. I'm busy on a consultancy project and am dipping in and out of this debate for light relief.

Post some snaps of Monaco on your return.

If I'm kissing LSC, you're probably taking a dump in all four corners of the car park you referred to, just for LSC's benefit.
I have 6 bathrooms in my house, it his one as I have several. So I dump in luxury , however if I was desperate and the car park was attached to the Hermes shop, I may just try the corner.
Try the Harlequin, when they have renamed it "Intu"!

Que?

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Romadecor says...
9:22pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Roy,checked my files as far as i can make out Irish Travellers where granted legal protection under the Race Relations Act in 2000,Scottish Travellers in 2008 .Meeting with my lawyers on Thurs next,ask about Yorkshire Travellers for you.Though i have traveled most counties for 50 years never came across one but always willing to be wrong

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LSC says...
9:23pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Dora the explora wrote:
Roy you are tarnishing everyone with same brush, well when I say everyone all gypsys. Myself and my traveller husband live in a lovely village, sought after area, desirable post code, above average cost of houses etc etc ...... The neighbour to our left beats his wife regularly, and their are well known "wife swoppers" in the village - all of these people are not from the traveling community and do not have Romany blood. So Roy does this mean you beat ur wife and are fond of the occasional wife swop!!?? Roy my advice is to think before speak!!

Dora, please don't take this as a challenge, it is a genuine question.
If you live in a village, are putting down roots there and living happily amoung the people. What makes you (or your partner) a traveller and not just a villager like anyone else? Travellers are not a race, DNA proves that, Is it certain traditions or rituals, a bit like a religion?

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romanychristian says...
9:24pm Sat 9 Feb 13

You are so intelligent !
"I am married to a millionaire" (masculine ) suggests Phillpod is a woman .And your comments suggest you have fetish problems .

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LSC says...
9:25pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
So you don't want me to comment on the information given? Er... that makes debate a little difficult.
I thought you were clever?
Did you? How flattering. If only I could be so generous in return.
I doubt your generous. Highly doubt it. Can you afford to be? Possibly not..

I'd rather a sharp mind than a fat wallet. But each to their own.

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Dora the explora says...
9:28pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I don't need to justify my husbands Romany to roots thank you. We also have a trailer but prefer living in a house through the winter not that it is any if your business. I hope your not suggesting if a traveller lives in a house they are miraculously transformed into a non traveller. You really are nit picking now. Pathetic.

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Phillypod says...
9:28pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
"Why won't Roy or his " team" comment onHotpot123 statement and why won't he answer how he knows if Mrs Watson is a gypsy or traveller or hippie?"

I'm not in any team, but the article describes her as an 'English Traveller'.
Hope that helps.
The person who wrote the article can't spell gypsy so I wouldn't be too quick to assume she is a traveller , but your a genius so you probably know what shoe size Mrs Watson is.
So you don't want me to comment on the information given? Er... that makes debate a little difficult.
I thought you were clever?
Did you? How flattering. If only I could be so generous in return.
I doubt your generous. Highly doubt it. Can you afford to be? Possibly not..
I'd rather a sharp mind than a fat wallet. But each to their own.

Most idiots would say that. Poor idiots for sure. If you seem my home, you would retract that comment. Run along and watch a fetish programme my dear.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:29pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:
I love how you assume I'm male.. Shows what a true numpty you are sweet heart, I have a home in Monaco, my clothes are there. I certainly have no desire to see you kiss anyone. I am currently waiting for my manicured nails to dry whilst tapping away on the iPad laughing at you fool.

Obviously, your husband lacks interest in you, leaving you to engage in meaningless banter on a Saturday night. Perhaps you should visit Dora's next door neighbours ........ spice up your night.

Shame you're a female, your life style seems like an Essex girl fairy tale cliche from TOWIE, rather than a Richard Gere - American Gigolo scenario.

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romanychristian says...
9:30pm Sat 9 Feb 13

ARGHHHH!!

LSC
Romany is bloodline-what with the dna ?
I have told you all i will -i cannot divulge anymore- please yourself

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Dora the explora says...
9:32pm Sat 9 Feb 13

I never once said I am living happily within a non traveller community at present. It may sound idyllic but I would much rather be back on a site but for health reasons it is better for us to live in a house during winter, and we are fortunate we can do both.

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LSC says...
9:35pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Dora the explora wrote:
I don't need to justify my husbands Romany to roots thank you. We also have a trailer but prefer living in a house through the winter not that it is any if your business. I hope your not suggesting if a traveller lives in a house they are miraculously transformed into a non traveller. You really are nit picking now. Pathetic.

I politely asked the question. Aggressive answer. I was merely asking what is a traveller that doesn't travel? What defines them from me?

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Razor Sharp says...
9:35pm Sat 9 Feb 13

No more "Tots respec". You're lifestyle's not "reem".

Perhaps the nail varnish is making you high.

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Phillypod says...
9:38pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:
I love how you assume I'm male.. Shows what a true numpty you are sweet heart, I have a home in Monaco, my clothes are there. I certainly have no desire to see you kiss anyone. I am currently waiting for my manicured nails to dry whilst tapping away on the iPad laughing at you fool.
Obviously, your husband lacks interest in you, leaving you to engage in meaningless banter on a Saturday night. Perhaps you should visit Dora's next door neighbours ........ spice up your night.

Shame you're a female, your life style seems like an Essex girl fairy tale cliche from TOWIE, rather than a Richard Gere - American Gigolo scenario.

I , have a degree, speak 5 fluent languages, and have never seen townie or been to Essex so have little idea what your trying to stereotype my life as. My husband is interested in me, I have no desire to swap partners, however you seem very perverted and a little to keen to discuss fetishes, your on the wrong chat tonight darling, try the xxx channels or men in uniform in google.

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LSC says...
9:38pm Sat 9 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
ARGHHHH!!

LSC
Romany is bloodline-what with the dna ?
I have told you all i will -i cannot divulge anymore- please yourself

I know Romany is a race; from the Romans, obviously. I never disputed that. Although most Italians wouldn't consider themselves a race apart. But English travellers are lifestyle choice.

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Phillypod says...
9:40pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:
No more "Tots respec". You're lifestyle's not "reem".

Perhaps the nail varnish is making you high.

Not a clue what you are talking about sweet cheeks. Nail polish cannot make me high, I don't inhale it, I have it painted on my finger nails ...

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Phillypod says...
9:41pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:

romanychristian wrote:
ARGHHHH!!

LSC
Romany is bloodline-what with the dna ?
I have told you all i will -i cannot divulge anymore- please yourself
I know Romany is a race; from the Romans, obviously. I never disputed that. Although most Italians wouldn't consider themselves a race apart. But English travellers are lifestyle choice.

LSC is clearly drunk.

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LSC says...
9:42pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

romanychristian wrote:
ARGHHHH!!

LSC
Romany is bloodline-what with the dna ?
I have told you all i will -i cannot divulge anymore- please yourself
I know Romany is a race; from the Romans, obviously. I never disputed that. Although most Italians wouldn't consider themselves a race apart. But English travellers are lifestyle choice.
LSC is clearly drunk.

Explain.

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Phillypod says...
9:44pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC wrote:

romanychristian wrote:
ARGHHHH!!

LSC
Romany is bloodline-what with the dna ?
I have told you all i will -i cannot divulge anymore- please yourself
I know Romany is a race; from the Romans, obviously. I never disputed that. Although most Italians wouldn't consider themselves a race apart. But English travellers are lifestyle choice.

Can't be bothered. You bore me, write to someone who values your opinion.

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LSC says...
9:51pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:

romanychristian wrote:
ARGHHHH!!

LSC
Romany is bloodline-what with the dna ?
I have told you all i will -i cannot divulge anymore- please yourself
I know Romany is a race; from the Romans, obviously. I never disputed that. Although most Italians wouldn't consider themselves a race apart. But English travellers are lifestyle choice.
Can't be bothered. You bore me, write to someone who values your opinion.

I bet the people on your side of the debate just love having you on the team.
You have had plenty to say so far, much of it insults.
I would suggest you have nothing to say and you are saying it too loudly.

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Phillypod says...
9:54pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Wrong again LSC, I simply can't be bothered to respond to you.

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LSC says...
10:03pm Sat 9 Feb 13

That is your right and privilege. I'm not sorry if that sounds patronising. It was meant so.

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Razor Sharp says...
10:09pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

Razor Sharp wrote:

Phillypod wrote:
I love how you assume I'm male.. Shows what a true numpty you are sweet heart, I have a home in Monaco, my clothes are there. I certainly have no desire to see you kiss anyone. I am currently waiting for my manicured nails to dry whilst tapping away on the iPad laughing at you fool.
Obviously, your husband lacks interest in you, leaving you to engage in meaningless banter on a Saturday night. Perhaps you should visit Dora's next door neighbours ........ spice up your night.

Shame you're a female, your life style seems like an Essex girl fairy tale cliche from TOWIE, rather than a Richard Gere - American Gigolo scenario.
I , have a degree, speak 5 fluent languages, and have never seen townie or been to Essex so have little idea what your trying to stereotype my life as. My husband is interested in me, I have no desire to swap partners, however you seem very perverted and a little to keen to discuss fetishes, your on the wrong chat tonight darling, try the xxx channels or men in uniform in google.

Obviously English isn't one of them.

I haven't even started talking about fetishes. I wouldn't do it here obviously and I don't know enough on the topic, so it would be a slow discussion.

You've done a good job of stereotyping your own 'life'.

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romanychristian says...
10:11pm Sat 9 Feb 13

LSC
for petes sake dont upset the Romans/Italians although there will be Romany among them
We are a race on its own-i still cannot grasp how so many seemingly intelligent people around the world have not fathomed it out-then again many will have no interest

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Phillypod says...
10:16pm Sat 9 Feb 13

You told me butter was a reflection of a fetish I have, referred to yourself as kissing LSC, and told me to spice up my night... I think your just another odd man who like the others on here think you are intelligent because you use full stop and upper case! Your not in my league petal do not bothering to dignify you with another response. Go watch the darts and drink a pint of lager with some porky scratchings. My life is perfect thank you, I came on this to support Mrs Watson, not chat to a strange , socially inept character such as yourself. Goodnight , enjoy your working week kiss kiss

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Razor Sharp says...
10:49pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:
You told me butter was a reflection of a fetish I have, referred to yourself as kissing LSC, and told me to spice up my night... I think your just another odd man who like the others on here think you are intelligent because you use full stop and upper case! Your not in my league petal do not bothering to dignify you with another response. Go watch the darts and drink a pint of lager with some porky scratchings. My life is perfect thank you, I came on this to support Mrs Watson, not chat to a strange , socially inept character such as yourself. Goodnight , enjoy your working week kiss kiss

LOL!

You still make me laugh.

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lovestospouge says...
5:37am Sun 10 Feb 13

This is a free contry if you don't want a person in your business you have the right to turn down there custom.

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Razor Sharp says...
8:00am Sun 10 Feb 13

Exactly lovestospouge, so long as there are valid reasons, it is legally permissible and it does not put them out / adversely impact on them.

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Roy Stockdill says...
10:15am Sun 10 Feb 13

Romadecor says...
>Roy,checked my files as far as i can make out Irish Travellers where granted legal protection under the Race Relations Act in 2000,Scottish Travellers in 2008 .Meeting with my lawyers on Thurs next,ask about Yorkshire Travellers for you.Though i have traveled most counties for 50 years never came across one but always willing to be wrong<

To try and get some common sense back into this debate, perhaps then I may be permitted to ask you a question? Why are Scottish and Irish travellers regarded as a separate race but English and Welsh travellers - and presumably travellers from any other nation - are not??? Is that not in itself racist? Doesn't this simply serve to illustrate what utter nonsense the whole situation is?

It was the last loony Labour government, with its politically correct obsessiveness about equality, that introduced this absurd legislation and made a dog's breakfast of the whole thing! The law should be repealed because it is responsible for creating a situation in which some groups are being given special treatment and shown favouritism over others. If I wanted (which of course I do not) to buy myself a camper van and spend the rest of my days travelling around the country I wouldn't be given legal protection because I am English, but Scottish and Irish travellers ARE given legal protection, right? So where is the justice in that and what are you doing in your presumably well-paid role to address this unfairness?

The monstrous race relations industry has got totally out of hand and created a cosy little niche for people like you to spend your life interfering in other people's lives, has it not? As I keep on pointing out, and which you seem not to understand, travellers are NOT an ethnic race!!!!! Why, oh why. can't you understand that? Only genuine Romany gypsies can be classed as a separate race; the rest are just a mixture of Irish and Scottish tinkers, tarmac layers and left-over New Age hippies, disaffected people who can't cope with normal life. In other words, they are a ragbag of individuals and not a separate race and should never have been regarded as such. Moreover, some - and I only say SOME - behave quite appallingly because they do not seem to understand how civilised, normal people behave.

If they want to become respectable and respected, then let them join the society they affect to despise. Let them buy or rent a house, get a proper job, settle down, pay their taxes like the rest of us and stop roaming around the country causing chaos by illegally invading people's land and making their lives a misery.

BTW, I will respond only to a proper response from you and I will ignore any further stupid and moronic comments from Phillypod or Dora.

Romadecor says... >Roy,checked my files as far as i can make out Irish Travellers where granted legal protection under the Race Relations Act in 2000,Scottish Travellers in 2008 .Meeting with my lawyers on Thurs next,ask about Yorkshire Travellers for you.Though i have traveled most counties for 50 years never came across one but always willing to be wrong< To try and get some common sense back into this debate, perhaps then I may be permitted to ask you a question? Why are Scottish and Irish travellers regarded as a separate race but English and Welsh travellers - and presumably travellers from any other nation - are not??? Is that not in itself racist? Doesn't this simply serve to illustrate what utter nonsense the whole situation is? It was the last loony Labour government, with its politically correct obsessiveness about equality, that introduced this absurd legislation and made a dog's breakfast of the whole thing! The law should be repealed because it is responsible for creating a situation in which some groups are being given special treatment and shown favouritism over others. If I wanted (which of course I do not) to buy myself a camper van and spend the rest of my days travelling around the country I wouldn't be given legal protection because I am English, but Scottish and Irish travellers ARE given legal protection, right? So where is the justice in that and what are you doing in your presumably well-paid role to address this unfairness? The monstrous race relations industry has got totally out of hand and created a cosy little niche for people like you to spend your life interfering in other people's lives, has it not? As I keep on pointing out, and which you seem not to understand, travellers are NOT an ethnic race!!!!! Why, oh why. can't you understand that? Only genuine Romany gypsies can be classed as a separate race; the rest are just a mixture of Irish and Scottish tinkers, tarmac layers and left-over New Age hippies, disaffected people who can't cope with normal life. In other words, they are a ragbag of individuals and not a separate race and should never have been regarded as such. Moreover, some - and I only say SOME - behave quite appallingly because they do not seem to understand how civilised, normal people behave. If they want to become respectable and respected, then let them join the society they affect to despise. Let them buy or rent a house, get a proper job, settle down, pay their taxes like the rest of us and stop roaming around the country causing chaos by illegally invading people's land and making their lives a misery. BTW, I will respond only to a proper response from you and I will ignore any further stupid and moronic comments from Phillypod or Dora. Roy Stockdill

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Razor Sharp says...
11:17am Sun 10 Feb 13

Here are some interesting information links Roy:

http://www.healthsco
tland.com/equalities
/race/gypsytraveller
s.aspx

http://www.rcn.org.u
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gypsy_and_traveller_
communities

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As for Ofsted inspection from September 2012, the following protection is in place in the further education sector:

Groups of learners
146. Primarily, inspection evaluates how individual learners benefit from their courses and learning programmes. We must test the provider’s response to individual needs by observing how well it helps all learners to make progress and fulfil their potential, especially those whose needs, dispositions, aptitudes or circumstances require particularly perceptive and expert teaching and, in some cases, additional support. Depending on the type of provider, such learners may include:
 disabled learners, as defined by the Equality Act 2010, and those who have special educational needs14
 boys/men
 girls/women
 groups of learners whose prior attainment may be different from that of other groups
 those who are academically more or less able
 learners for whom English is an additional language
 minority ethnic learners
 Gypsy, Roma and Traveller learners
 learners qualifying for a bursary scheme award
 looked after children
 lesbian, gay and bisexual learners
 transgender learners
 young carers
 learners from low-income backgrounds
 older learners
 learners of different religions and beliefs
 ex-offenders
 women returners
 teenage mothers
 other vulnerable groups.

Source: Handbook for the inspection of further education and skills
September 2012, No. 120061

http://www.ofsted.go
v.uk/resources/handb
ook-for-inspection-o
f-further-education-
and-skills-september
-2012

Here are some interesting information links Roy: http://www.healthsco tland.com/equalities /race/gypsytraveller s.aspx http://www.rcn.org.u k/development/practi ce/social_inclusion/ gypsy_and_traveller_ communities http://www.google.co .uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q =&esrc=s&source=web& cd=11&ved=0CC8QFjAAO Ao&url=http%3A%2F%2F www.tsrc.ac.uk%2FLin kClick.aspx%3Ffileti cket%3Da6i6m6lkLwA%2 53D%26tabid%3D500&ei =LoEXUefWL6Kw0AWnmYD ADA&usg=AFQjCNFmxqBt kW2NnR53QxngTmX-pDB3 4w&bvm=bv.42080656,d .d2k As for Ofsted inspection from September 2012, the following protection is in place in the further education sector: Groups of learners 146. Primarily, inspection evaluates how individual learners benefit from their courses and learning programmes. We must test the provider’s response to individual needs by observing how well it helps all learners to make progress and fulfil their potential, especially those whose needs, dispositions, aptitudes or circumstances require particularly perceptive and expert teaching and, in some cases, additional support. Depending on the type of provider, such learners may include:  disabled learners, as defined by the Equality Act 2010, and those who have special educational needs14  boys/men  girls/women  groups of learners whose prior attainment may be different from that of other groups  those who are academically more or less able  learners for whom English is an additional language  minority ethnic learners  Gypsy, Roma and Traveller learners  learners qualifying for a bursary scheme award  looked after children  lesbian, gay and bisexual learners  transgender learners  young carers  learners from low-income backgrounds  older learners  learners of different religions and beliefs  ex-offenders  women returners  teenage mothers  other vulnerable groups. Source: Handbook for the inspection of further education and skills September 2012, No. 120061 http://www.ofsted.go v.uk/resources/handb ook-for-inspection-o f-further-education- and-skills-september -2012 Razor Sharp

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Razor Sharp says...
11:28am Sun 10 Feb 13

"One core theme which arises across all topics is the pervasive and corrosive impact of experiencing racism and discrimination throughout an entire lifespan and in employment, social and public contexts.

Existing evidence, including from the
consultation, highlights high rates of anxiety, depression and at times self-destructivebeha
viour (for example, suicide and / or substance abuse).

These are, on the face of the evidence, responses to 'cultural trauma' produced by the failings of 21st century British society and public bodies' failure to engage in an equitable manner with members of the communities. Having reviewed the strength of the evidence of the
prejudice and discrimination faced by Gypsies and Travellers, the authors of the report were surprised that more members of the Gypsy and Traveller communities
had not succumbed to negativity, and remained resilient in the face of what are often multiple and complex forms of exclusion."

http://www.equalityh
umanrights.com/uploa
ded_files/research/1
2inequalities_experi
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Razor Sharp says...
11:34am Sun 10 Feb 13

"Ethnically defined groups include
:
• Gypsies (English or Welsh Gypsies, together described as Romany Gypsies)
• Scottish Gypsy Travellers
• Irish Travellers
• Roma

Non-ethnically defined groups include
:
• Showmen
• Circus People
• New Travellers
• Bargees

http://www.nhsemploy
ers.org/SiteCollecti
onDocuments/GRTHM201
2_FL_17%20Aug%202012
.pdf

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Roy Stockdill says...
12:37pm Sun 10 Feb 13

How come I don't seem to be among those protected by law from discrimination? I don't seem to qualify under any of the headings - but, then, I'm English, white, middle class, married and heterosexual, one of the "silent majority" in fact!

I wonder how people ever managed to get through their lives before now without all this politically correct jargon and nonsense?

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Razor Sharp says...
2:26pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
How come I don't seem to be among those protected by law from discrimination? I don't seem to qualify under any of the headings - but, then, I'm English, white, middle class, married and heterosexual, one of the "silent majority" in fact!

I wonder how people ever managed to get through their lives before now without all this politically correct jargon and nonsense?

Where have you been Roy? Look at the protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010. Unless, you're an alien, there is protection on a number of grounds.

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Razor Sharp says...
2:28pm Sun 10 Feb 13

http://www.fpb.org/h
ottips/601/The_Equal
ity_Act_2010:_protec
ted_characteristics_
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Roy Stockdill says...
2:40pm Sun 10 Feb 13

I don't dispute that some groups do need protection. However, I just have the feeling that all this "equality and diversity" (the phrase I most loathe in all the political correct garbage and verbiage) has gone way OTT. It has become an entire industry providing useless work for people who are feeding off it. I mean, you only have to look at some of the job adverts in the Guardian to realise how far it has all gone - all those stupidly-worded ads for "equality and diversity outreach co-ordinators" etc. Richard Littlejohn in the Mail is quite right when he takes the p * * * out of them! Why can't the PC brigade speak in plain, simple English, for pete's sake?

I also have the feeling that just about everybody in the country is now a member of some minority or other - whether it's ethnic, sexual or whatever - that believes it is being persecuted and demanding favouritism. Are there no normal people left any more? Why can't people take responsibility for their own lives these days instead of jumping up and down, whingeing and whining about persecution (much of which is largely perceived) and expecting the state to do everything for them?

I've never claimed a benefit or anything in my life except NHS treatment and my state pension, both of which I've paid for. I've always looked after myself and my family by working hard, earning good money, buying a house, saving a few bob and generally accepting responsibility for my own life and decisions. I don't claim welfare benefits and I'm not a burden on the state, nor do I expect others to help me if I get into a few problems. Sadly, this country has become a haven for whingers and whiners and squealers who are absurdly hypersensitive and see inequality and prejudice all around them because they go seeking it out deliberately.

Our ancestors lived in far, far tougher times than we do but they survived. We now seem to live in an age where people expect the state to support them and do everything for them. They should get off their backsides and do something to help themselves!!!

I don't dispute that some groups do need protection. However, I just have the feeling that all this "equality and diversity" (the phrase I most loathe in all the political correct garbage and verbiage) has gone way OTT. It has become an entire industry providing useless work for people who are feeding off it. I mean, you only have to look at some of the job adverts in the Guardian to realise how far it has all gone - all those stupidly-worded ads for "equality and diversity outreach co-ordinators" etc. Richard Littlejohn in the Mail is quite right when he takes the p * * * out of them! Why can't the PC brigade speak in plain, simple English, for pete's sake? I also have the feeling that just about everybody in the country is now a member of some minority or other - whether it's ethnic, sexual or whatever - that believes it is being persecuted and demanding favouritism. Are there no normal people left any more? Why can't people take responsibility for their own lives these days instead of jumping up and down, whingeing and whining about persecution (much of which is largely perceived) and expecting the state to do everything for them? I've never claimed a benefit or anything in my life except NHS treatment and my state pension, both of which I've paid for. I've always looked after myself and my family by working hard, earning good money, buying a house, saving a few bob and generally accepting responsibility for my own life and decisions. I don't claim welfare benefits and I'm not a burden on the state, nor do I expect others to help me if I get into a few problems. Sadly, this country has become a haven for whingers and whiners and squealers who are absurdly hypersensitive and see inequality and prejudice all around them because they go seeking it out deliberately. Our ancestors lived in far, far tougher times than we do but they survived. We now seem to live in an age where people expect the state to support them and do everything for them. They should get off their backsides and do something to help themselves!!! Roy Stockdill

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Razor Sharp says...
3:52pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Well ......... it is the way it is. If there are opportunities, whether due to anti-discrimination law, or due to loopholes in the law then one is entitled to utilise them with impunity, until such time that the law changes.

We now live in an 'entitlement society', where most of the new generation believe they have a right or entitlement to something. That much I concede.

You should really read the Equality Act 2010 carefully. It does not just deal with minority groups and there are a number of limitations, especially on the characteristic of 'age'.

There is cross-party support for for the Act. There is no reversal, unless the BNP get into power, which is as likely as the economy entering a boom period tomorrow.

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Romadecor says...
3:55pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Thanks Roy for stimulating my brain.Off with wagon and horse for a few days,do you good to come with me one of the days.By the way though my family have traveled for generations as traveling show people we have no ethnic rights.My grandad was John Bull a pub and street singer.My Uncle Sam Smith was a booth boxer.My mom and dad traveled the clubs as singers and comedians.My brother traveled with the dodgems and waltzers,myself built and worked grinding barrows for 50 years so work that one out.

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Roy Stockdill says...
4:02pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Well, why should travelling show people have ethnic rights? It's a lifestyle choice, as some of us keep pointing out. Why should people who travel around the country for work in circuses and fairgrounds be treated any differently to, say, a commercial traveller who is probably visiting a different town every day?

As an on-the-road journalist when I was younger, I probably spent more time travelling - in Britain, Europe and America - than I did at home! My wife rarely knew whether she would see me come home at night or whether I would call her from Manchester, Madrid or Miami and say I wouldn't be home for a week. What about people who are forced to travel widely in the course of their job? Are they any different to show people just because they mostly stay in hotels rather than caravans? As I said, it's a choice people make when they decide to go into the show trade. When you make a lifestyle choice, then you have to live with the consequences and drawbacks.

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Roy Stockdill says...
4:17pm Sun 10 Feb 13

>We now live in an 'entitlement society', where most of the new generation believe they have a right or entitlement to something. That much I concede.<

Well, I'm glad we agree there. Unfortunately, there are far too many young people who seem to think the world owes them a living. It DOESN'T! Nobody owes them a job, nobody owes them a house. These things have to be earned by application, hard work and sometimes taking chances. But so many people don't seem to want to get off their backsides, instead they prefer to live on benefits and state handouts.

My 102-year-old mother-in-law (yes, 102), always throughout her life has lived with the maxim "If you make your bed you've got to lie on it" and I believe there is much truth in that.

The only state benefits I've ever had are the NHS, a state pension (both of which I've paid for) and a bus pass. I'm sick of reading about people who want the council to find them a bigger house or complain they can't afford to feed the kids on benefits when the kids have probably all got DVDs and iPads, just as I am sick of reading about people who whinge and squeal about being deprived of their supposed 'yuman rights' because of racism and other excuses.

What part of the Equality Act should I be looking at, then, especially to do with age?

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Boosey says...
4:26pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Hotpot123 wrote:
I am a gypsy. And I can tell you now, the reason I do not want associated with you lot (as you often refer to us) because my children are simply not safe. There are more fights at one of your football matches, than the whole of Appleby fair week, the biggest gypsy gathering there is! You have whore houses on your council estates, smack heads shooting up on street corners and in children's parks, you are the society of "Jeremy Kyle", as romany christian said, only god can help you lot, you really do need the help. Your children are not safe even from their own family's , your prisons are full of peaodphiles, and rapists let alone your OWN tax evaders. Sitting in your conservatories with your 52 inch televisions, whilst my husband is out Tarmacing drives , PAYING tax, For your obese arses to claim the benefits you seem to think we do! In our community, there are no children giving birth at 9 years old, our children could run around naked and that would still never happen. Their granddad and uncles certainly wouldn't be touching them up ,You only have to watch the news to see what your people are up to! I would not allow you dirty scumbags near my field. Your people are track suit wearing, disability claiming, benefit seeking, smack heads, lots are unemployed, your children are beaten and burned with cigarettes ,baby P? Your children organise mass riots,...... Not nice being stereotyped is it?

I'm not a gypsy but I can see exactly where you're coming from.
Good post.

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Roy Stockdill says...
4:36pm Sun 10 Feb 13

This is the THIRD time the above has been posted and it has been deleted twice so far as obscene and offensive. I suspect it will be deleted every time you keep posting it.

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Boosey says...
5:02pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
If you had had an education, Dora, you would begin to understand that opinions couched in proper English are not only much easier to read but generally hold more sway and attract more credibility to the writer. I have earned my living as a professional writer in one sphere or another for over 50 years and I find it rather sad that so few people here seem to have much idea at all of how to express the English language correctly. I blame modern education!

I replied to one of the so called gramma police in the sports section and asked to think of the people who would like to comment and to enter into the spirit of a debate but were unable to, due to the thought of being attacked for their limited command of the English language.
A reply was received from another post stating they found it difficult to communicate through written form and that it had taken a long time to write such a small piece and was basically pleased that someone was fighting their corner.
I know that some people have got under your skin Roy but I'm shocked that you have posted such a comment .
I know you're a better person than that!

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Boosey says...
5:33pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Wow! After reading all those comments I'm exhausted.
Some of you must be looking back on what you have posted and thought to youselves, I need to either get out more or grow up.
Adults boasting about what they have and what they can and cannot do and attacking each other, I'm sure Mrs Watson wouldn't like this in her time of sorrow and I for one hope she hasn't read any of drivel that's been posted between certain people.

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Roy Stockdill says...
5:44pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Perhaps those who have only a limited command of the English language should have worked and tried harder at school, likewise those who are unable to do simple sums. In my opinion, the standard of teaching has declined sadly in our schools - and the quality of the teachers - largely due to the introduction of comprehensive education. The evidence is all around us in the inability of many young people to string half a dozen words together to form a coherent sentence or to add 9 and 6 together without a pocket calculator!

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Roy Stockdill says...
5:51pm Sun 10 Feb 13

You seem utterly incapable of understanding, Boosey, like some other people here, that people have differing opinions and place a different interpretation on events. Moreover, they have a right to express them without their comments being referred to as drivel. It's a concept that perhaps has passed you by but it is called freedom of speech and is a vital element of our democracy.

It is a very ancient concept that we in this country have cherished for many hundreds of years. It's enshrined in Magna Carta and legal principles like habeas corpus - ancient rights that perhaps you are unaware of.

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Boosey says...
5:58pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Perhaps those who have only a limited command of the English language should have worked and tried harder at school, likewise those who are unable to do simple sums. In my opinion, the standard of teaching has declined sadly in our schools - and the quality of the teachers - largely due to the introduction of comprehensive education. The evidence is all around us in the inability of many young people to string half a dozen words together to form a coherent sentence or to add 9 and 6 together without a pocket calculator!

There are also people with learning difficulties or those who may have had a difficult upbringing.
I would say, when I misbehaved at school, a clip round the ear or the strap didn't do me any harm, my wife would beg to differ though!
Seriously different days now. Roy, I'll leave it at that now.

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Roy Stockdill says...
6:05pm Sun 10 Feb 13

I entirely agree that a clip round the ear or a rap over the knuckles with a cane never did anyone any harm. We had a teacher at my grammar school who was a dead-eye-dick shot with a blackboard rubber!

However, since all this politically correct rubbish came in, any teacher who smacked a naughty child today would not only end up in the magistrates court but be sued by the parents for damages. The result is that discipline in many schools seems to have gone to pot.

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Boosey says...
6:08pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
You seem utterly incapable of understanding, Boosey, like some other people here, that people have differing opinions and place a different interpretation on events. Moreover, they have a right to express them without their comments being referred to as drivel. It's a concept that perhaps has passed you by but it is called freedom of speech and is a vital element of our democracy. It is a very ancient concept that we in this country have cherished for many hundreds of years. It's enshrined in Magna Carta and legal principles like habeas corpus - ancient rights that perhaps you are unaware of.

I am all for differing opinions and debating them but when people start boasting about materialistic things in their pampered world and what they can and can't do with all their riches, I don't believe that's up for debate.
How doesn't that DRIVEL make me incapable of understanding when you slate people for the lack of education. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon stuck up their rear!

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Boosey says...
6:12pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I entirely agree that a clip round the ear or a rap over the knuckles with a cane never did anyone any harm. We had a teacher at my grammar school who was a dead-eye-dick shot with a blackboard rubber! However, since all this politically correct rubbish came in, any teacher who smacked a naughty child today would not only end up in the magistrates court but be sued by the parents for damages. The result is that discipline in many schools seems to have gone to pot.

Thank you, I knew you would give that reply, not sure about the next one though.

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Roy Stockdill says...
6:18pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers.

He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension.

Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!

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Boosey says...
6:39pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!

Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it.
It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in!

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Paul Gadd says...
6:46pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Boosey wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!
Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it.
It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in!

'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!!

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Roy Stockdill says...
7:05pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Paul Gadd? Aren't you Gary Glitter?

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Partyhandbag says...
7:59pm Sun 10 Feb 13

I have been very close with a gypsy family for most of my life now, and regard them as closer than the majority of my own non-gypsy family. Never have they been so disrespectful towards another creed, religion, colour, whatever, as what one member of this comment stream is being towards them. They have been brought up with manners, decency and above all respect for themselves and others around them. This isn't what is taught in school or university, it's what is taught at home amongst the family, and if gypsy families are everything that Roy says they are, how come this family are the lovely people they are? Nothing is too much trouble, if you ever have a problem or need someone to talk to, they are approachable and open minded to anything you have to discuss. I can't imagine Roy being like this ... He's obviously watched Big Fat Gypsy Weddings and made his mind up. Gutted for him and his stunted view on other members of society.

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Roy Stockdill says...
8:11pm Sun 10 Feb 13

I am sure you are right, but I assume the family you are referring to are real, genuine Romany gypsies and not the riff-raff assortment to which so many travellers belong.

I'm afraid I've never seen Big Fat Gypsy Weddings or anything similar in my life. My tastes in television documentaries are somewhat more intelligent.

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lutondown says...
8:12pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Boosey wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!
Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it.
It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in!

Gentlemen gentlemen, several points.
Roy, you championed free speech in defence of me a few weeks back, which I found very civil of you and maybe suggested that you like to open debate up and add a little controversy to the subject? After all we hardly ever agreed on our sporting ideals yet here you was defending this thick comprehensive educated fool!
Boosey, since meeting you, I have lost my wife, fortune and my caravan, and have been escorted onto that Holywell estate by the Police. I also have to attend a help group where at the beginning of each meeting I have to say 'my name is LD and I'm an alcoholic'.
My point is, I forgot as I'm pickled!
But we are all people, we all bleed red and we are all a result of our social influences. There are good and bad all races and creeds except paid up members of the Gary Glitter fan club.
And by the way Boosey is a great bloke!

[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me![/p][/quote]Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in![/p][/quote]Gentlemen gentlemen, several points. Roy, you championed free speech in defence of me a few weeks back, which I found very civil of you and maybe suggested that you like to open debate up and add a little controversy to the subject? After all we hardly ever agreed on our sporting ideals yet here you was defending this thick comprehensive educated fool! Boosey, since meeting you, I have lost my wife, fortune and my caravan, and have been escorted onto that Holywell estate by the Police. I also have to attend a help group where at the beginning of each meeting I have to say 'my name is LD and I'm an alcoholic'. My point is, I forgot as I'm pickled! But we are all people, we all bleed red and we are all a result of our social influences. There are good and bad all races and creeds except paid up members of the Gary Glitter fan club. And by the way Boosey is a great bloke! lutondown

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Partyhandbag says...
9:01pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I am sure you are right, but I assume the family you are referring to are real, genuine Romany gypsies and not the riff-raff assortment to which so many travellers belong.

I'm afraid I've never seen Big Fat Gypsy Weddings or anything similar in my life. My tastes in television documentaries are somewhat more intelligent.

Some of which, have clearly angered you by doing a botch job on your driveway. You shouldn't be so rude to tar people with the same brush and make sweeping generalisations, I'd rather have 5 gypsy, tarmaccing, swearing friends than 50 friends who are foolish enough to be ignorant and be more bothered about my grammar.

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Roy Stockdill says...
9:10pm Sun 10 Feb 13

You don't seriously imagine I'd let a gypsy or a traveller anywhere near my driveway, do you?

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lutondown says...
9:21pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Partyhandbag wrote:

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I am sure you are right, but I assume the family you are referring to are real, genuine Romany gypsies and not the riff-raff assortment to which so many travellers belong.

I'm afraid I've never seen Big Fat Gypsy Weddings or anything similar in my life. My tastes in television documentaries are somewhat more intelligent.
Some of which, have clearly angered you by doing a botch job on your driveway. You shouldn't be so rude to tar people with the same brush and make sweeping generalisations, I'd rather have 5 gypsy, tarmaccing, swearing friends than 50 friends who are foolish enough to be ignorant and be more bothered about my grammar.

I take it no puns intended? Lol!
That's it I'm back to the sports section, they'll be missing me! Hee hee hee

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Razor Sharp says...
10:52pm Sun 10 Feb 13

If the point can be deciphered and is valid, it should trump poor grammar.

Most of my clients have English as a second language, but I don't correct their English. That would be impolite and would probably lose me business.

I have no issue with having a dig at poor English usage if the argument is completely flawed and the poster is talking nonsense. Otherwise, it just isn't worth the effort.

Roy is correct in one respect, the quality of education and correct English usage in the public sector has declined dramatically.

If traveller children feel marginalised at school and are abused or bullied, they are not likely to have a productive education, even if they have the opportunity to study at an acceptable school.

There appears to be an academic / educational deficit and disadvantage from an early stage, not to mention "cultural trauma", according to one of the reports I gave a link to earlier.

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Roy Stockdill says...
5:31am Mon 11 Feb 13

Isn't that another good reason why travellers really ought to consider settling down in a proper home and getting their children into a decent school and permitting them to stay there, so that they can develop relationships with other children and have a proper education at the same time, rather than dragging them around the country from one camp site to another and from one school to another, never staying long enough in one place to make friends or acquire a proper education? Is it any wonder that traveller children are educationally and culturally disadvantaged if their parents really can't see that they are jeopardising their children's future and locking them in to the same old cycle, just as some families have had the benefits culture ingrained into them?

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Razor Sharp says...
9:05am Mon 11 Feb 13

Until one has experienced the traveller way of life Roy, I don't think we are qualified to make such a sweeping judgement. To us it might seem an anomalous and detached existence, but to them it might appear to be the right choice.

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Roy Stockdill says...
9:23am Mon 11 Feb 13

I accept your point but, as I have been at pains to point out (along with others), if people choose to be travellers, then that is a deliberate lifestyle choice and they must accept the possible consequences, one of which is that their children may be disadvantaged and not get a proper education.

It is no reason for them to expect favouritism or be treated as a special case at the expense of the majority. There's an old saying which my 102-year-old mother-in-law is fond of using, which goes "If you make your bed you must lie in it." In other words, you've made the choice, now get on with it, but don't expect the rest of us to help you out if it goes wrong.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone cannot see the logic of this, nor why anyone thinks travellers should be made a special case when they have made a deliberate choice of how to live their lives.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:27am Mon 11 Feb 13

There is a trade-off to most things in life. For the traveller community it is often financial stability and a good education, but then they are less likely to be stifled by a mortgage, council tax and enclosed by neighbours they cannot choose, living a 9-5 they do not enjoy.

The state school system and its education have been devalued and diluted by inferior standards in a race for league table rankings and over-emphasis on inspections.

The high quality private education system is out of the reach of most and recently university funding, via student number controls, incentivises recruiting those to whom number controls do not apply - students with the equivalent of grades ABB at A level. Graduate unemployment is at its highest level, the job market is bleak and public services are being squeezed.

In this context, the trade-off that travellers have made seems less harsh. Would I swap the shackles of suburbia - no, would I consider living in other countries - yes.

If travellers are happy with their lifestyle choice, then good luck to them. After all, we do not live in a fascist state ..... at least not yet.

How do you know Roy, the travellers' circle of friends, the culture they engage in and the transitional intra-community support structures that might exist?

I don't sympathise with them, but I want to keep an open mind.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:34am Mon 11 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I accept your point but, as I have been at pains to point out (along with others), if people choose to be travellers, then that is a deliberate lifestyle choice and they must accept the possible consequences, one of which is that their children may be disadvantaged and not get a proper education.

It is no reason for them to expect favouritism or be treated as a special case at the expense of the majority. There's an old saying which my 102-year-old mother-in-law is fond of using, which goes "If you make your bed you must lie in it." In other words, you've made the choice, now get on with it, but don't expect the rest of us to help you out if it goes wrong.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone cannot see the logic of this, nor why anyone thinks travellers should be made a special case when they have made a deliberate choice of how to live their lives.

We're not living in Charles Dicken's 'Hard Times' Roy. This is the 21st century.

Who is asking for favouritism? Equal treatment and some respect perhaps. Not to have one's reservation cancelled at short notice is something we all expect.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:50am Mon 11 Feb 13

Roy, sometimes the bed is made for us. Unmaking it is not an easy or quick process, especially when one is marginalised, discriminated against and victimised for one's 'choices'/situation. Perhaps you should take some time out to read or re-read John Rawls and his concept of "veil of ignorance". You will then understand my standpoint.

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romanychristian says...
9:56am Mon 11 Feb 13

Roy
I feel its time for you and a few others,to leave this discussion.
You have had your say on the matter,you are continuing to raise your own views,digressing from the salient points.
Personally,although many readers may now have formed the same oppion, i think you are the most insensitive person i have come across.Within my Christian beliefs i have already made mistakes on here
and i will not be tempted by evil to respond .It should be clear to readers ,as to why all these discrimination.equal
ity,human rights bills, were introduced in that.you epotimise their very need .
I could absoloutly wipe the floor with you in a one to one debate quite simply because you are bitter toward the world and all in it.The most beautiful things in life are free ,given by god,for EVERYONE,not just you. Your empolyers must have been relieved on your retirement i feel sure with todays laws you would bankrupt them What a shame you coud not use war veteran in your cv bet you dont even wear a poppy because its not about you .I will continue to pray for you and especially for Mrs Roy ......

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Roy Stockdill says...
10:14am Mon 11 Feb 13

Romanychristian, I have yet to hear a single cogent argument from you as to why travellers should be singled out as a special case when they have made a very deliberate choice of lifestyle, just as I and millions of others have opted in to normal society.

Your other points are simply absurd, if not offensive, because you don't really know me at all. Why you think I am bitter towards the world I have no idea. I simply have my own views as to what is right and wrong about our society, views which are shared by many others, including some very respected media commentators.

In essence, I believe people should stand on their own two feet, apply themselves to hard work to support themselves and their family and not expect the state to bail them out. What's wrong with that? It's a view held by many people.

Your promise to pray for me is highly amusing. As I said before, I'm sure you mean well but if you really cannot see that it is very patronising I don't wish to engage in any debate with you because clearly your arguments wouldn't be based on logic.

The only thing you don't seem to get about me is that I care little for what anyone thinks of me. I just enjoy myself witnessing some of the pathetic responses!

My favourite all-time quote is one of Oscar Wilde's which runs thus: "There is only thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about". That sums up my philosophy towards my critics.

BTW, Mrs Stockdill isn't remotely religious, either, but I am sure she will be as amused as I am when I tell her you're praying for her!!!

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garston tony says...
12:03pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Bringe wrote:

garston tony wrote: I have to admit that I havent had much to do with this community but the one traveller I know I count as a friend as well as someone I've hired a few times for various contracts over the years. But I did witness this last year in a McDonalds where I had stopped to get lunch. Whilst I was eating in the car a van turned up with a traveller family. Six children in the front aged from toddler to maybe eight or nine, far too many to have been sat in the cab legally and there certainly werent any car seats for any of them. The mother who was driving parked really badly and encroached on the empty space next to her. In they went to get their food and as they were coming out a car was trying to park in that empty spot next to them as it was the only one left. Despite it being the van that was parked badly the mother started screaming at the driver of the car that was trying to park, hitting its bonnet and windscreen shouting abuse and so on. The other driver was obviously stunned but luckily another car left at that moment and she could park in a different spot. The mother continued to shout at the driver as they got out and walked off and again when they returned to their car a few minutes later. To cap it all when they had finished their food, which they had brought outside to eat, despite there being a bin only a few feet away all the wrappers and left overs were chucked on the ground. Now im not saying this kind of behaviour is limited to travellers or that all travellers are like this but it certainly doesn’t make me think that all the horror stories you hear arent true to a some extent. RommanyChristian and Romadecor maybe as well trying to stop discrimination of your community when it happens you should sort out the trouble makers in your community who give all of you a bad name.
Did they have "Traveller" stamped across their foreheads Tony or are you just assuming?

Bringe, actually I happened to know where they were camped up having passed them only a few minutes before and seen some of the kids and the van.

[quote][p][bold]Bringe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I have to admit that I havent had much to do with this community but the one traveller I know I count as a friend as well as someone I've hired a few times for various contracts over the years. But I did witness this last year in a McDonalds where I had stopped to get lunch. Whilst I was eating in the car a van turned up with a traveller family. Six children in the front aged from toddler to maybe eight or nine, far too many to have been sat in the cab legally and there certainly werent any car seats for any of them. The mother who was driving parked really badly and encroached on the empty space next to her. In they went to get their food and as they were coming out a car was trying to park in that empty spot next to them as it was the only one left. Despite it being the van that was parked badly the mother started screaming at the driver of the car that was trying to park, hitting its bonnet and windscreen shouting abuse and so on. The other driver was obviously stunned but luckily another car left at that moment and she could park in a different spot. The mother continued to shout at the driver as they got out and walked off and again when they returned to their car a few minutes later. To cap it all when they had finished their food, which they had brought outside to eat, despite there being a bin only a few feet away all the wrappers and left overs were chucked on the ground. Now im not saying this kind of behaviour is limited to travellers or that all travellers are like this but it certainly doesn’t make me think that all the horror stories you hear arent true to a some extent. RommanyChristian and Romadecor maybe as well trying to stop discrimination of your community when it happens you should sort out the trouble makers in your community who give all of you a bad name.[/p][/quote]Did they have "Traveller" stamped across their foreheads Tony or are you just assuming?[/p][/quote]Bringe, actually I happened to know where they were camped up having passed them only a few minutes before and seen some of the kids and the van. garston tony

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romanychristian says...
12:16pm Mon 11 Feb 13

I praying for her being under your command !
You dont listen to others,you twist the debate to other issues totaly irrelevant to the current matter What has your life story got to do with anything ,or the quotes of your 102 year old mother in law ?
If you do meet me i will show you probate papers of a Romany who arrived in the north with one horse one wagon -then you will stop crowing
You cannot even give your own father any credit you did it all on your own ?

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romanychristian says...
12:55pm Mon 11 Feb 13

How can not offer any argument ???
Ive practically given you a history lesson in The Romany Race-more so that i should have- ive explained the error of writers and know it alls like you of herding all Romany under the traveller banner ive explained that there had to be a begining for them and i get retorts from an angry self important poor liitle me who deos not believe in God.
I suspect you were thinking of other cultures when you mentioned Princes Dianas Funeral-It WAS the Brithish public who showed their emotions in the way they did.
And still i forgive you and pray for you

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Roy Stockdill says...
1:07pm Mon 11 Feb 13

The death of Princess Diana was the start of the entire awful farrago we are seeing now of vicarious grief whereby every murder, road accident death, etc, heralds an outpouring of Facebook pages and tributes and the turning of roadsides and public parks into shrines, the vast majority of people laying flowers etc probably being those who never even knew the victim. Personally, it fills me with revulsion because I doubt they are genuine feelings, they're just saying "Look at me, aren't I a caring person?"

We have become a nation of cry babies and touchy-feely, soppy fools, especially young people who seem to have no understanding of how death and grief should be dealt with. Contrast the hysterical scenes at Diana's funeral (people tossing flowers on the cortege as it went up the M1) with funerals in the past of people like King George VI and Winston Churchill - dignified and solemn occasions at which the nation stood to attention silently but didn't break out in sobs and hysterical crying! Older people know how to cope with death in the British way because they went through the war.

I fear this country could never again fight another war on our own territory because I doubt young people have the backbone for it.

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Andrew Turpie says...
1:24pm Mon 11 Feb 13

300+ posts, if required I can arrange personal hosting of this page as I think it will sometime soon, require its own individual server.

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romanychristian says...
1:30pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Nor did you fight a war Roy
What part of the word compassion do you not understand ?
How dare you critise our young people?
They are being blown apart right now fighting to protect this country and that includes you !!
I cannot believe anyone would not become emotional at some of the repatriations recently
what is clear is that if the world followed the Word of God behaving as true Christians this would all end.Roy you really have now blown your chances in this debate-that was uneccesary
Leave it now lad ,think,reflect and speak with the Lord

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Roy Stockdill says...
1:46pm Mon 11 Feb 13

I said "fight a war on our own territory" like the Battle of Britain in 1940. Yes, we are fighting wars abroad but those are being fought by paid, trained fully professional soldiers. The entire nation was involved in WWII. No, I didn't fight because I wasn't old enough but I certainly would have done if called upon.

It's possible to have compassion without shouting about it from the rooftops. Grieving should be done quietly and with dignity, which is why I find the whole rigmarole of setting up Facebook pages for victims and turning parks and public streets and roadsides into shrines for the dead extremely unedifying and unBritish. I couldn't grieve for Princess Diana because I never knew her other than as a public figure and her death had no personal effect on me whatsoever.

I've been to many funerals and memorial services in the last few years for old colleagues and friends. You pay your respects, you remember them as you want to remember them and then you have a wake afterwards. That is how the vast majority of journalists are - we don't make public displays of emotion bordering on the hysterical as was the case with Diana.

Now I really am thoroughly bored with this exchange, so I suggest we agree to end it.

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garston tony says...
1:52pm Mon 11 Feb 13

How many posts?! Oh I see, that’s how the 'discussion' went. Oh well, I've been a party to many a childish debate on here so will refrain from commenting on that side of things.

I'd like to ask a question of the travellers posting here. I personally don’t believe that all travellers live up to the popular stereotype given of them, but would you agree that there are elements within the traveller community whose actions serve to give all of you the poor reputation you have?

Hotpoint is quite right, it must be frustrating as anything to be tarred with the same brush. Not quite the same but I know I get antsy when Roy and LSC pick on my faith is central to my life just as being a traveller is central to yours I'm sure taking fringe or extremist views and claiming all Christians are the same.

For me its still a law of average thing, maybe I'm naïve but I don’t think the police would have warned the hotel unless they believe themselves that there was potential for trouble at the funeral tea. And I don’t know any business that would go against police advise like that, especially not a business in the hospitality sector. And as others have pointed out the police do give warnings about non traveller groups, the pub being closed on Friday as was mentioned due to the football for instance. The higher than normal police presence when Luton come to town for another. The rave that was stopped the other night. Might be harsh on the individuals concerned who had no thought of trouble but all examples of things where trouble has a higher than average chance of happening.

I don’t know the statistics but assume that unfortunately there is a higher than average chance of trouble breaking out at a traveller function (based on previous incidents) and hence therefore the warning given. Does that mean trouble is limited to just that group, of course not but by the same token if statistics show this problem then its not racism or discrimination but hard facts that lead to some hotels not wanting to hold such functions.

On a wider basis I get the impression that the traveller community do like to keep themselves to themselves. Is that right? As such its going to be hard for someone outside of that community to get to know a traveller, would you agree? Therefore public perception is going to be based on what they see. Unfortunately more often than not what they see is travellers camped illegally on land, causing trouble for the owners and leaving piles of rubbish behind when they do go. What they hear is stories of intimidation and poor workmanship. What they see is things like Dale Farm and they perceive that there is a disregard for the law. What they see is that traveller (my apologies I cant recal his name) winning Big Brother and then being sent to jail (with his sons?) for assault and having half his ear ripped off in a bare knuckle fight in another incident. It may not be right but can you understand why the traveller community has a poor reputation?

How many posts?! Oh I see, that’s how the 'discussion' went. Oh well, I've been a party to many a childish debate on here so will refrain from commenting on that side of things. I'd like to ask a question of the travellers posting here. I personally don’t believe that all travellers live up to the popular stereotype given of them, but would you agree that there are elements within the traveller community whose actions serve to give all of you the poor reputation you have? Hotpoint is quite right, it must be frustrating as anything to be tarred with the same brush. Not quite the same but I know I get antsy when Roy and LSC pick on my faith is central to my life just as being a traveller is central to yours I'm sure taking fringe or extremist views and claiming all Christians are the same. For me its still a law of average thing, maybe I'm naïve but I don’t think the police would have warned the hotel unless they believe themselves that there was potential for trouble at the funeral tea. And I don’t know any business that would go against police advise like that, especially not a business in the hospitality sector. And as others have pointed out the police do give warnings about non traveller groups, the pub being closed on Friday as was mentioned due to the football for instance. The higher than normal police presence when Luton come to town for another. The rave that was stopped the other night. Might be harsh on the individuals concerned who had no thought of trouble but all examples of things where trouble has a higher than average chance of happening. I don’t know the statistics but assume that unfortunately there is a higher than average chance of trouble breaking out at a traveller function (based on previous incidents) and hence therefore the warning given. Does that mean trouble is limited to just that group, of course not but by the same token if statistics show this problem then its not racism or discrimination but hard facts that lead to some hotels not wanting to hold such functions. On a wider basis I get the impression that the traveller community do like to keep themselves to themselves. Is that right? As such its going to be hard for someone outside of that community to get to know a traveller, would you agree? Therefore public perception is going to be based on what they see. Unfortunately more often than not what they see is travellers camped illegally on land, causing trouble for the owners and leaving piles of rubbish behind when they do go. What they hear is stories of intimidation and poor workmanship. What they see is things like Dale Farm and they perceive that there is a disregard for the law. What they see is that traveller (my apologies I cant recal his name) winning Big Brother and then being sent to jail (with his sons?) for assault and having half his ear ripped off in a bare knuckle fight in another incident. It may not be right but can you understand why the traveller community has a poor reputation? garston tony

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romanychristian says...
2:18pm Mon 11 Feb 13

`ROY
you ended it
game ,set and match

Lord God gorgive me

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Phillypod says...
2:27pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Does this being, seriously expect anyone to advocate his ideals and views? Amongst other ridiculous things, he publicly supports physical punishment to children, dose not believe in emotion, publicly condemns the youth of our country, many of whom are returning to us in coffins, whilst trying to protect us. He even has the nerve to mention that they are paid! disgusting creature. I hope parents of the young are not reading this thread. NOW dose everyone at least agree evil exists...... I certainly know the meaning of the word evil, the devil comes in many forms! Granted I was childish , but Roy, I don't know what race you belong to, it certainly isn't human, perhaps idiots have there own.

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Phillypod says...
2:39pm Mon 11 Feb 13

" I fear this country could never again fight another war on our own territory because I doubt young people have the backbone for it"

Most repulsive , sick , narrow minded comment from Roy.

God rest the poor young , who have fought, and continue to do so.

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Roy Stockdill says...
2:49pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Jeeez, I cannot believe how utterly pathetic you are! To call me evil just because I don't agree with your views simply defies belief.

And THAT really is my final word. If you post any more offensive comments I will report them to the administrators.

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romanychristian says...
3:17pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Anyone who wants to speak on here to me or in private feel free.
Show anyone respect and it will be returned
I think i agree with This freedom of speach thing and i enjoy debate but there is a line over which one should not cross.
i knew Roy would go overboard because prior to my becoming a Christian i had similarities with him but he is getting on now and maybe in his day ?
Please just try the Alpha Course_
its simply meeting a small group having a meal together (free but donate if you like ) watch a video by Nicky Gumbel and then ask any question you like- it runs for over 10 sessions maybe once a week.
i dance my way to church every sunday now .It may just happen to you as it has for thousands what can you loose/
I honestly have not attended one single Romany /Traveller Christian convention as yet and dont know if they use Alpha but i have seen some
amazing transformations amongst those thathave and commited to Christ.
God Bless All -"its nice to be nice "

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LSC says...
3:18pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Be fair Tony, you make me sound like a bully. I sometimes ask you questions, and you very ably and eloquently answer them. The fact I don't agree with your answers is neither here nor there.
But please don't say i pick on you. You put your view out there, I have the right to question it.

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LSC says...
3:26pm Mon 11 Feb 13

"Show anyone respect and it will be returned"

That is the most sensible thing said in this entire thread. But then you go on to insult Roy by saying he is getting on.
That isn't respect really, is it?

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Phillypod says...
3:32pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Is jeeez a real word?!?

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garston tony says...
3:43pm Mon 11 Feb 13

LSC I didn’t mean to make you sound like a bully, to be honest I don’t think I did either. However you have to admit I have often had to correct you (and Roy) when you have stated something and held it up as an example of Christianity as a whole when it has been the beliefs/views/action
s of a small few.

I was just saying that that can be annoying and that I could see how if you're a traveller who is decent and upstanding it must equally be annoying for people to look at the behaviour of other travellers and claim all act the same way.

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Boosey says...
3:46pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill wrote:
The death of Princess Diana was the start of the entire awful farrago we are seeing now of vicarious grief whereby every murder, road accident death, etc, heralds an outpouring of Facebook pages and tributes and the turning of roadsides and public parks into shrines, the vast majority of people laying flowers etc probably being those who never even knew the victim. Personally, it fills me with revulsion because I doubt they are genuine feelings, they're just saying "Look at me, aren't I a caring person?" We have become a nation of cry babies and touchy-feely, soppy fools, especially young people who seem to have no understanding of how death and grief should be dealt with. Contrast the hysterical scenes at Diana's funeral (people tossing flowers on the cortege as it went up the M1) with funerals in the past of people like King George VI and Winston Churchill - dignified and solemn occasions at which the nation stood to attention silently but didn't break out in sobs and hysterical crying! Older people know how to cope with death in the British way because they went through the war. I fear this country could never again fight another war on our own territory because I doubt young people have the backbone for it.

In the day we weren't allowed to show emotion,stiff upper lip and big boys don't cry.
When my daughter passed away I wanted to cry, scream and shout from the rooftops but I couldn't because that was the way I was raised. I will never forgive my father for that. It took me a long time to be able to release emotion and I feel better for it each time I do.
There is nothing wrong with showing emotion.
It sounds like you're in the same boat, except you still hold it all in, bottle it all up then release as anger.

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garston tony says...
3:47pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Phillypod and RomanyChristian, seeing as both appear to be around and posting this afternoon any chance of a response to my post of 1.52pm today?

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Boosey says...
3:57pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Paul Gadd wrote:

Boosey wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!
Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in!
'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!!

Gary! How is that funny? Slight sarcasm in it yes but. . .

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LSC says...
4:00pm Mon 11 Feb 13

I'm not going to take this thread anywhere near there Tony! It is varied enough as it is. I'm just glad to know we both see our discussions as differences of opinion, not ganging up or bullying.

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Phillypod says...
4:10pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Not really tony , your not offensive enough to warrant more threads, that's your opinion so fair enough. If your referring to myself as the childish one, yes I do get childish. A clown instantly brings out the inner child in me... Only thing I would say is big brother winner went to jail, any what? Travellers are not the ones who have our prisons full, and he had a fight, again, and what? Better a gypsy fight than a none gypsy murder or rape a small child no?

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romanychristian says...
4:20pm Mon 11 Feb 13

soon Tony
im really ill and its hard even trying to type on here- my cheap glasses make the headaches worse and im dealing with,and all other authorities
Carry on as you are -refrain from the first typcasting excample you made which creates that mistrust .I am not going to go down "We cannot comment on individual cases" route,I will try and answer what facts i know about anything,
I will mention many many Romany who are pillars of society both spiritally and highly respected in business subject to their consent.
Dont be too suprised if many refrain-
could you blame them following this farce ?
When i did 1 12 year old business i had went virtually dead overnight

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lutondown says...
4:21pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Boosey wrote:

Paul Gadd wrote:

Boosey wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!
Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in!
'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!!
Gary! How is that funny? Slight sarcasm in it yes but. . .

I'm going to sign off of this thread, as it's taken me to some dark places, and some very sad ones too, but before I go, there is just one thing, none of us get to choose our parents, our ancestory nor our start in life. Yet it is what defines us.
I come from a similar background to Boosey, and whilst as a result it never allows me to show the real me, I have over the years become more empathetic to others around me.
There are a few posters on here, names not mentioned who have championed other ethnic groups, some who I'd say pose a greater threat to society than gypsy's ever have,yet have dropped their PC guards to attack travellers. Double standards in my book.
Now I'm out of here.

[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Gadd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me![/p][/quote]Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in![/p][/quote]'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!![/p][/quote]Gary! How is that funny? Slight sarcasm in it yes but. . .[/p][/quote]I'm going to sign off of this thread, as it's taken me to some dark places, and some very sad ones too, but before I go, there is just one thing, none of us get to choose our parents, our ancestory nor our start in life. Yet it is what defines us. I come from a similar background to Boosey, and whilst as a result it never allows me to show the real me, I have over the years become more empathetic to others around me. There are a few posters on here, names not mentioned who have championed other ethnic groups, some who I'd say pose a greater threat to society than gypsy's ever have,yet have dropped their PC guards to attack travellers. Double standards in my book. Now I'm out of here. lutondown

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LSC says...
4:34pm Mon 11 Feb 13

@romanychristian; It is interesting to have some travellers on here and hear their views. As a christian, how do you feel about so many travellers so often occupying other people's land? Does that not breach one (at least) of the 10 commandments?

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romanychristian says...
4:48pm Mon 11 Feb 13

LSC
I simply tried gave an excuse for his outrageous comments-as a Christian it hurt me deeply to post as i did but he went too far.
Then again there is no excuse for those remarks

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LSC says...
5:00pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Well i can't speak for him and I can't speak for you, so please answer the question.

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romanychristian says...
5:26pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Actually The Ten commands were written for the Jews Old Tesament and dont apply to Christians as such we had Jesus Gods Will and Christian teaching follows that.
When I commited to Christ i simply felt a burning desire to be as he so asks-for me its the most wonderful place ive been -i cannot descibe my change-i feel others see, others know it
Whilst i answer my feelings i am not trained nor educated theogology and rely on others and then my perception of .What i will say is i had all the schooling available to me even being a choir boy but never understood it all.My biggest regret therefore has to be not knowing where to begin -many others would have not suffered my presence.
You let Nicky Gumbel through a Alpha course try to explain as he did for me-you can debate all you like there many questions have not and may not be ever be answered -If you ask the Lord to come into your life he will He loves you and he loves me there is no question of that.I would suspect many of the thousands who know me of old will be saying ive cracked up-i am here,you can be too

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Phillypod says...
5:26pm Mon 11 Feb 13

LSC wrote:
@romanychristian; It is interesting to have some travellers on here and hear their views. As a christian, how do you feel about so many travellers so often occupying other people's land? Does that not breach one (at least) of the 10 commandments?

Not ALL i repeat not ALL travellers occupy other peoples land!!! Nothing to do with 10 commandments anyway. and like i said...Better a gypsy fight than a none gypsy murder or rape a small child no?

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LSC says...
7:14pm Mon 11 Feb 13

So, that is neither of you answering the question then. The readers will, no doubt, decide.

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LSC says...
7:28pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Nicky Gumbell? The half Jewish (you are the ones who rant about race) Eton educated man who boasts he shook hands with the pope? He seems so trustworthy.

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romanychristian says...
8:35pm Mon 11 Feb 13

LSC
i answered.
who deos what is up to them right or wrong just like your disbelief in God ,

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LSC says...
9:40pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Am I an idiot or a fool or both? I'm sure you have more imaginative insults in place of debate.

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LSC says...
9:46pm Mon 11 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
LSC
i answered.
who deos what is up to them right or wrong just like your disbelief in God ,

You wrote something but I couldn't understand it.
I do not 'disbelieve' You can't disbelieve something that does not exist in the first place. Atheism is not a religion or belief system. It is the opposite of that.

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Razor Sharp says...
9:49pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Phillypod, are you in Monaco with your multi-millionaire husband?

I recall you were planning on jet-setting over there.

Hope you remembered to pack the butter.

"Totes Jel"!

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Romadecor says...
10:12pm Mon 11 Feb 13

romanychristian did you get my email? snow stopped my plans for today,never mind wait until Roy is ready to come on that road to Paradise .When he tastes my corn beef stew at the roadside fire with the birds of the air as background music,my son playing his guitar flowing to God's breeze ,then he will taste the Romany way.Keep up the good work about God.

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romanychristian says...
10:36pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Lsc
You talk in strange ways,you tried to ridicule Nicky Gumbel but you are wasting your time -others will have googled his name too and found out the ex barrister is ...... let readers make their own decision
You are following an ex poster down the same cliff top road keep testing your brakes- they are more or less burnt out now

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Phillypod says...
10:53pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Razor Sharp wrote:
Phillypod, are you in Monaco with your multi-millionaire husband?

I recall you were planning on jet-setting over there.

Hope you remembered to pack the butter.

"Totes Jel"!

Not sure why the interest in me, but actually we have changed our plans as I want to visit Oxford. Not a clue what totes is.

Unless you have a comment relating to Mrs Watson, and the article, please just refrain from trying to attract attention to yourself.

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LSC says...
11:41pm Mon 11 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
Lsc
You talk in strange ways,you tried to ridicule Nicky Gumbel but you are wasting your time -others will have googled his name too and found out the ex barrister is ...... let readers make their own decision
You are following an ex poster down the same cliff top road keep testing your brakes- they are more or less burnt out now

Ex-barrister. You said it. Perhaps I talk in tongues, but the law society doesn't. I'm not ridiculing him at all. He went to Eton, then to Oxford University. According to records, he became a priest in 1987. It was 2005 before he got a job as one.
Make of that what you will.

Some might say, (not me of course), that he has a great deal of family money and can play at whatever game he chooses

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Razor Sharp says...
12:50am Tue 12 Feb 13

I Googled Nicky Gumbel's name ......... am I supposed to be impressed? I've met lots of people from Eton and Oxbridge, with legal and doctorate backgrounds ..... so what? What is so special about him?

As for Phillypod, the proverb of pot and kettle comes to mind.

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romanychristian says...
9:35am Tue 12 Feb 13

LSC
AHHAAA !!!
Now we find your problem with society not just travellers !!
MONEY
you suggest Peru for travellers to go live but make reference to "there being no 4x4 dealerships,
You are upset that Nicky has family money and therefore "play whatever game he chooses"
You and others are playing games on here-not contributing anything worthwhile to Mrs Watsons claims
Spending time preaching The Word of God is not a game --Jesus was nailed to a cross for it and took away our sins
How many followers do you have ?
Two on here i think

You are lost my friend but are always welcome in the house of The Lord

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Paul Gadd says...
9:49am Tue 12 Feb 13

Boosey wrote:

Paul Gadd wrote:

Boosey wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!
Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in!
'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!!
Gary! How is that funny? Slight sarcasm in it yes but. . .

Not everyone wants to hear all about 'right wing roy', but then again everyone is not in love with him, boo

[quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Gadd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me![/p][/quote]Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in![/p][/quote]'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!![/p][/quote]Gary! How is that funny? Slight sarcasm in it yes but. . .[/p][/quote]Not everyone wants to hear all about 'right wing roy', but then again everyone is not in love with him, boo Paul Gadd

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Paul Gadd says...
9:53am Tue 12 Feb 13

lutondown wrote:

Boosey wrote:

Paul Gadd wrote:

Boosey wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me!
Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in!
'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!!
Gary! How is that funny? Slight sarcasm in it yes but. . .
I'm going to sign off of this thread, as it's taken me to some dark places, and some very sad ones too, but before I go, there is just one thing, none of us get to choose our parents, our ancestory nor our start in life. Yet it is what defines us.
I come from a similar background to Boosey, and whilst as a result it never allows me to show the real me, I have over the years become more empathetic to others around me.
There are a few posters on here, names not mentioned who have championed other ethnic groups, some who I'd say pose a greater threat to society than gypsy's ever have,yet have dropped their PC guards to attack travellers. Double standards in my book.
Now I'm out of here.

going so soon mr down? you haven't told us which groups are a danger? have you ever been to the town of your name? heard of a mr lennon-laxley?

[quote][p][bold]lutondown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Gadd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boosey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Neither was I born with a silver spoon stuck anywhere! I come from a very ordinary Yorkshire family and my father was a publican and a golf club steward, before that he had a very poor smallholding comprising a couple of fields on a Pennine hillside near Huddersfield. He came from a Bradford family of mill workers. He never had any money worth speaking of, but I passed the old 11-plus for a grammar school and when I left at 16 I walked into the offices of my local paper in Halifax and asked for a job. Because they admired my initiative, they gave me one. I served a 4-year apprenticeship, worked hard and all hours and via a series of provincial papers I eventually got to Fleet Street and the nationals, where I became a widely-travelled reporter, meeting lots of well-known people, eventually moving inside to become an executive and ended up in a fairly senior position before taking early retirement in my fifties because I'd managed to build up a reasonable pension. Nobody ever gave me anything, I earned it by the means of talent, initiative and damned hard work. Try your silver spoon nonsense on David Cameron, not me![/p][/quote]Thank you for that life story Roy and yes, good on you for having the opportunity to build for the future and I am sure you worked very hard for it. It was the type of career that enhanced your grasp of the English language and stood you in good stead but it doesn't give you the right to slate others on their education or lack of, until you know their background. A lot of people don't have the same type of confidence that you obviously have. Anyway goodbye for now, must go before LD joins in![/p][/quote]'Thanks for the life story'.....hahahaha LMAO!!![/p][/quote]Gary! How is that funny? Slight sarcasm in it yes but. . .[/p][/quote]I'm going to sign off of this thread, as it's taken me to some dark places, and some very sad ones too, but before I go, there is just one thing, none of us get to choose our parents, our ancestory nor our start in life. Yet it is what defines us. I come from a similar background to Boosey, and whilst as a result it never allows me to show the real me, I have over the years become more empathetic to others around me. There are a few posters on here, names not mentioned who have championed other ethnic groups, some who I'd say pose a greater threat to society than gypsy's ever have,yet have dropped their PC guards to attack travellers. Double standards in my book. Now I'm out of here.[/p][/quote]going so soon mr down? you haven't told us which groups are a danger? have you ever been to the town of your name? heard of a mr lennon-laxley? Paul Gadd

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romanychristian says...
9:54am Tue 12 Feb 13

Razor
Yes ..be impressed read more of the mans achievments- people like me
helped by his Alpha Course

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
9:54am Tue 12 Feb 13

Hotpot123 wrote:
I am a gypsy. And I can tell you now, the reason I do not want associated with you lot (as you often refer to us) because my children are simply not safe. There are more fights at one of your football matches, than the whole of Appleby fair week, the biggest gypsy gathering there is! You have whore houses on your council estates, smack heads shooting up on street corners and in children's parks, you are the society of "Jeremy Kyle", as romany christian said, only god can help you lot, you really do need the help. Your children are not safe even from their own family's , your prisons are full of peaodphiles, and rapists let alone your OWN tax evaders. Sitting in your conservatories with your 52 inch televisions, whilst my husband is out Tarmacing drives , PAYING tax, For your obese arses to claim the benefits you seem to think we do! In our community, there are no children giving birth at 9 years old, our children could run around naked and that would still never happen. Their granddad and uncles certainly wouldn't be touching them up ,You only have to watch the news to see what your people are up to! I would not allow you dirty scumbags near my field. Your people are track suit wearing, disability claiming, benefit seeking, smack heads, lots are unemployed, your children are beaten and burned with cigarettes ,baby P? Your children organise mass riots,...... Not nice being stereotyped is it?

This Post Is Spot On. The Gypsy's/Traveller's I Have Had Dealing's With In The Car Trade And On A Personal Level Have Alway's Been Fair, Respectfull And Polite People.

The Country Would Be Alot Better Off If Some Of Your Moral's And Principal's Were Still Used.

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LSC says...
10:14am Tue 12 Feb 13

"You are lost my friend but are always welcome in the house of The Lord”

What's the address? He seems to have so many dotted around the world and they all seem different.

No, money does not interest me, you have read me completely wrongly there. I am extremely poor it is true, but that is mainly my own fault for my chosen carreer at this stage in my life.

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
10:16am Tue 12 Feb 13

I could write an essay on here but im not going to.

We do not choose the life we are born into. Some people are born black. Some people are born into Muslim famalies. Some people are born white. Some people are born Christian's. Some people are born into Gypsy famalie's.

We are born as we are and into who we are. We cannot change it, so we accept it, embrace it and make the most of it. After all this is what life is about.

I have had dealing's with every race and minority group going. I have only ever had good dealing's with gypsy's and traveller's and i respect that they hold their family history so close to them and that they live by their moral's and principal's. Some of my friend's are gypsy's and traveller's and i would count a very famous one as a friend.

Yes some of them do wrong but then every person in the country regardless of colour, religion, race, minority has also done wrong at some point in their life.

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
10:18am Tue 12 Feb 13

I could write an essay on here but im not going to.

We do not choose the life we are born into. Some people are born black. Some people are born into Muslim famalies. Some people are born white. Some people are born Christian's. Some people are born into Gypsy famalie's.

We are born as we are and into who we are. We cannot change it, so we accept it, embrace it and make the most of it. After all this is what life is about.

I have had dealing's with every race and minority group going. I have only ever had good dealing's with gypsy's and traveller's and i respect that they hold their family history so close to them and that they live by their moral's and principal's. Some of my friend's are gypsy's and traveller's and i would count a very famous one as a friend.

Yes some of them do wrong but then every person in the country regardless of colour, religion, race, minority has also done wrong at some point in their life.

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
10:25am Tue 12 Feb 13

In regard's to Roy. I have seen you post on here and the sport's page's.

Your first post on each topic is always against the grain and controversial.

It seem's you do this as you know people will rise to it and once that has happened, it give's you the opportunity to tell everyone about how good you are.

You knew by posting about you belief's on here you would antagonise and upset certain people.

Why do you do that? Why not just keep it too yourself? I see post's on here that i know will annoy me yet rather than post i walk on by.

Why don't you do the same?

Chris Bottom
Wokingham
28 Year's old.

P.S. Sorry about the spelling and grammer but you know why that is already.

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romanychristian says...
10:50am Tue 12 Feb 13

Chris
you are a sensible young man and should progress well in life.
I am or try to be in the car trade also
I have a fair stock of all types -if theres any you can do any good with,take them and drop the cheque off when you are passing by the next time

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Phillypod says...
11:07am Tue 12 Feb 13

@ChrisBottom16 wrote:
In regard's to Roy. I have seen you post on here and the sport's page's.

Your first post on each topic is always against the grain and controversial.

It seem's you do this as you know people will rise to it and once that has happened, it give's you the opportunity to tell everyone about how good you are.

You knew by posting about you belief's on here you would antagonise and upset certain people.

Why do you do that? Why not just keep it too yourself? I see post's on here that i know will annoy me yet rather than post i walk on by.

Why don't you do the same?

Chris Bottom
Wokingham
28 Year's old.

P.S. Sorry about the spelling and grammer but you know why that is already.

Wow, a sensible person on this thread at last! Forget spelling, at 28 years old you are far wiser, and have more intelligence than most on here. I guess a happier less boring life too! Good on you, making a good point in a simple way than sheer drivel about nothing ! Respect.

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Phillypod says...
11:23am Tue 12 Feb 13

LSC wrote:
Am I an idiot or a fool or both? I'm sure you have more imaginative insults in place of debate.

You have idiotic opinions, and are foolish to think anyone cares. So yes my lovely, you are correct, you are both.

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LSC says...
1:05pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Phillypod wrote:

LSC wrote:
Am I an idiot or a fool or both? I'm sure you have more imaginative insults in place of debate.
You have idiotic opinions, and are foolish to think anyone cares. So yes my lovely, you are correct, you are both.

Wow, it is like debating with a cross between Stephen Fry and Oscar Wilde!

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garston tony says...
1:48pm Tue 12 Feb 13

I do find it interesting that following hotpoint123's post the likes of Roy and LSC were badgered for not responding to it, yet I ask some simple, honestly asked questions and ask again later for a response but don’t get one. Neither did LSC to his question either. Why are you so unwilling to discuss the bad eggs within your community? Isnt that the crux of your whole defence, don’t tar the whole community with the same brush as the few that do cause trouble? Not much of a discussion if you're not even willing to admit that not every traveller is a saint which is what RomanyChristian appears to be trying to make out!

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garston tony says...
1:50pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Phyllipot I mentioned the traveller imprisoned for fighting as an example of why some people have a poor impression of that community. This was someone that put themselves forward into the limelight as an example of his community who a few weeks later was residing at her majestys pleasure. I'm not too sure why you felt to bring murder and child molesting into it but I seriously doubt you can claim that no traveller has been involved in those two activities so you'd best not go down that route anymore hey.

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garston tony says...
1:57pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Lutondown and Chrisbottom you are absolutely right no one chooses their parents or their heritage. But, and it’s a BIG BUT, everyone reaches a point in their life when they can make decisions for themselves. If their background isnt great then they can choose to move away from it, not saying its always going to be easy to do but just blaming your upbringing for the way you behave is lazy and really doesn’t fool anyone.

I'm not picking on any particular group with this statement by the way, it’s a general comment and just as easily applies to those that have what would be considered a good background who do decide to do bad things. I get fed up for instance of hearing people blame their woes in life on society when they themselves chose not to try in school and therefore couldn’t get a 'good' job and do well for themselves. That’s not being victimised that’s suffering a self inflicted wound.

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garston tony says...
2:14pm Tue 12 Feb 13

It is an aside but Romanychristians comments just shows how the sheer numbers of people who believe in God leads to a variety of opinions.

I for instances disagree that Jesus dying on the cross did away with the 10 Commandments. His sacrifice was so that we could all be saved through His grace and no longer through our own works. The laws that were done away with were the ceremonial ones, paul is quite clear on that in Ephesians.

In Revelations it even talks about the beast waging war against those those that keep 'the commandments of God'. For those unsure the beast is the baddy here.

Revelations 14:12 ' here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus'

If the Commandments were done away with why are they mentioned in relation to the end time?

Mathew 5:17 ' Think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy but to fulfill'

Romans 3:31 ' Do we then make void the law through faith? Giod forbid yea we establish the law'

Jesus came to show us the true meaning of 'the law' and summed it up in that He told us the greatest thing is to love one another.

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harrow1 says...
2:17pm Tue 12 Feb 13

At LSC. Your research on Nicky Gumbel is incorrect. He has been working full time as a priest at his church in London for over 20 years. In 2005 he got became vicar. It has over 11 ful time priests (with congregation of 4,000) and only the head priest is termed vicar. He did though as you say give up a potentially lucrative career as a barrister as he felt called to Full Time church leadership.

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LSC says...
4:05pm Tue 12 Feb 13

harrow1 wrote:
At LSC. Your research on Nicky Gumbel is incorrect. He has been working full time as a priest at his church in London for over 20 years. In 2005 he got became vicar. It has over 11 ful time priests (with congregation of 4,000) and only the head priest is termed vicar. He did though as you say give up a potentially lucrative career as a barrister as he felt called to Full Time church leadership.

Fair enough, I went on what I read and admit I'm not up on church terminology. The article I read seemed to have a large gap in it.

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KAren Smythe says...
7:08pm Tue 12 Feb 13

@ChrisBottom16 wrote:
In regard's to Roy. I have seen you post on here and the sport's page's.

Your first post on each topic is always against the grain and controversial.

It seem's you do this as you know people will rise to it and once that has happened, it give's you the opportunity to tell everyone about how good you are.

You knew by posting about you belief's on here you would antagonise and upset certain people.

Why do you do that? Why not just keep it too yourself? I see post's on here that i know will annoy me yet rather than post i walk on by.

Why don't you do the same?

Chris Bottom
Wokingham
28 Year's old.

P.S. Sorry about the spelling and grammer but you know why that is already.

Well said Chris. A spot on summary of the pseudo intellectual Mr S. No doubt he'll churn out the old freedom of speech chestnut.

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romanychristian says...
7:33pm Tue 12 Feb 13

just for the record i commited to Christ several months ago-i have stated that i am not Knowledgable of much of the Bible yet and i "picked up " the statement regarding the Commandments from a website at the begining of my new desire to read everything i could by anyone anywhere on the subject of religion as long as the word Christian appeared.
But WHOAAAAAA i did not say Jesus dying on the Cross did away with The Commandments NO WAY.
I dont need to know the bible nor quote from it to know i am a Christian
I asked Jesus to come into my life and he did -The Holy Spirit works within me every day -i do fall into temptation every time i log on to this forum and for that i pray for my sin but on the other hand theres a lot of us discussing God -carry on -that cannot be wrong .Please read posts correctly before jumping in everyone.
Strange Romany have a code of not throwing peoples name around without their consent perhaps i should have asked Nickys consent- but then the man helped me find the Lord i cannot shout his name loud enough

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romanychristian says...
7:46pm Tue 12 Feb 13

PS
i tried to say that Gods Will in my understanding follows The Commandments by his Law

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
8:09pm Tue 12 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
just for the record i commited to Christ several months ago-i have stated that i am not Knowledgable of much of the Bible yet and i "picked up " the statement regarding the Commandments from a website at the begining of my new desire to read everything i could by anyone anywhere on the subject of religion as long as the word Christian appeared.
But WHOAAAAAA i did not say Jesus dying on the Cross did away with The Commandments NO WAY.
I dont need to know the bible nor quote from it to know i am a Christian
I asked Jesus to come into my life and he did -The Holy Spirit works within me every day -i do fall into temptation every time i log on to this forum and for that i pray for my sin but on the other hand theres a lot of us discussing God -carry on -that cannot be wrong .Please read posts correctly before jumping in everyone.
Strange Romany have a code of not throwing peoples name around without their consent perhaps i should have asked Nickys consent- but then the man helped me find the Lord i cannot shout his name loud enough

I have alway's been a christian but never followed it very closely. My Great Grandma died at 104 year's of age a few year's ago. The funeral was on a wet and cloudy day. As the curtain closed around the coffin at the crematorium a bright ray of sunshine shone in through the window. From that day forward i have follwed the lord closer than i could ever have imagined.

That ray of sunshine happened just as the curtain closed. I know that was the lord taking my Great Grandma up into heaven. Anyone that does not believe in the lor, i wil pray for you.

Chris Bottom

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LSC says...
8:30pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Jesus died for your sins so you are pretty much covered there and I wouldn't lose any sleep over your own sin, or he was wasting his time, which would be a shame.

Now answer my question. Travellers frequently occupy land not belonging to them which is contrary to some of the 10 commandments. Theft for one, and probably some Ox coveting going on too.

The bible says a lot, but those 10 rules stand out above all. What, as a gypsy christian is your stance on that?

I've asked 3 times now. If you don't know, just say so.

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romanychristian says...
8:37pm Tue 12 Feb 13

Chris

i can only explain it as a " happening within oneself "- you get a feeling in your heart -NOT a bubble in your belly like when going down a sudden dip at speed
I had a sudden warm feeling enter me at my fathers wake many years ago but did not recognise what that may have meant but if you seem to be at peace with the world (although not in agreement with it all ) and try your best to be right and proper and that includes even toward them that repulse you -you are on your way.
Have no dought you will see Her again

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romanychristian says...
9:02pm Tue 12 Feb 13

LSC
i have answered you
Calm down take your time and read what i have wriiten
I have no idea what you even talking about "in Ox coveting going on too"

I am a Romany
i am a Christian
I only ever said that Romany follow SOME same teaching/principle/m
oral what ever you care to call it

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romanychristian says...
9:18pm Tue 12 Feb 13

PS
i know i have sinned in the past i am truly sorry for all that i did -i realise NOW that it was wrong .
If i continued to sin that way it wouldnt be "covered" in the way you portray -please play attention .
NAHHHHH !!
" wasting his time...."
He is The Power and The Glory The Light and The Way and such Greatness loves You just as much as he loves me

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
9:50pm Tue 12 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
Chris

i can only explain it as a " happening within oneself "- you get a feeling in your heart -NOT a bubble in your belly like when going down a sudden dip at speed
I had a sudden warm feeling enter me at my fathers wake many years ago but did not recognise what that may have meant but if you seem to be at peace with the world (although not in agreement with it all ) and try your best to be right and proper and that includes even toward them that repulse you -you are on your way.
Have no dought you will see Her again

Thank you for your kind word's my friend and may the lord bring you and your family happiness and health

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LSC says...
12:03am Wed 13 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
LSC
i have answered you
Calm down take your time and read what i have wriiten
I have no idea what you even talking about "in Ox coveting going on too"

I am a Romany
i am a Christian
I only ever said that Romany follow SOME same teaching/principle/m

oral what ever you care to call it

I'm perfectly calm, and that is clear enough answer, thank you.
You are a christian but only actually follow the bible to the extent it suits you.
That is fairly typical, although not everyone is so honest about it.

I personally don't understand how you 'cherry pick' the bible and live your life based around things like the 10 commandments but then say we tend to gloss over number 3, 5 and 9 (randomly picked numbers) because that justifies a lifestyle choice of occupying other people's land illegally, defacating in public car parks and letting others clear up the mess, and avoiding general taxation.

If there WAS a Jesus, I somehow think that wasn't what he was about.

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romanychristian says...
1:01am Wed 13 Feb 13

LSC
Nope you are not concentrating again ! For me as a Christian i will follow the Commandments and continue to read the Bible daily and try to understand its meaning and direction
But i reiterate that the Bible did not bring me to The Lord.I believe in all that happened - i see His Creation every day .
I did not suggest all Romany were Christian-i said that Race had some things that were Christian in their beliefs.
I cannot answer for all Christians or all Romany or all travellers
What people do is their business be it right or wrong BUT someone has to offer forgiveness be that their parents ,children,friends,an
d ultimately The Almighty .
You single out two things.
The occupation of others land-and defacating in public car parks
Ok i dont know wether those you refer to were Christians nor Romany nor raveller .I would suspect that whoever it was they would rather use a toilet if it was available car parks used to offer such facilities.I have seen many taking short and using laybys and all-town centre drinkers etc that deos happen uk wide-it even happened in an infamous road race .
If land is occupied illegaly it will be dealt with eventually .Why not question what all non traveller /Romany do wrong?
Thats where you puzzle me.You cannot discriminate because of RACE

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Romadecor says...
8:22am Wed 13 Feb 13

Romadecor is back been visiting Gypsies/Travellers as a Pastor.Catching up about the Ten Commandments.Are we under the under the Law given to Moses or under the New covenant of Grace?This still divides the Church today.Jesus for filled the Law in John13v34''A new commandment I give you,that you love another,as I have loved you,that you also love another'' Paul inspired by the Spirit of Christ wrote in Romans13v10''love does no harm to a neighbor,there for love is the fulfillment of the Law Been up all night could go deeper on this,ague about scripture all day if you want to but do it in love as Jesus taught.

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romanychristian says...
9:13am Wed 13 Feb 13

ask for mercy,receive it and pass it on
that is my understanding
ask for love in your heart receive it and pass it on
ask,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, .

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harrow1 says...
10:11am Wed 13 Feb 13

Jesus is 10% a factual character- no serious historian doubts he existed.The question is what you make of Him and His claims, that is up to you.
The New Commandment versus Old Commandment debate is interesting. Jesus taught that the key 2 commandments (Love God with all your heart, Love your Neighbour) underpin the 10 commandments and indeed the several hundred over rules and laws in the Old Testament. If you keep these 2 you will by definition keep the Ten..ie if you love your neighbours you will not steal, be envious, kill, commit adultery etc Jesus was also aiming teaching at Pharissees who would keep every speciifc rule but then walk past a man dying because to touch him on the Sabbath would be 'unholy' ie they were missing the big picture which is to love God and your fellow man, not neccesarily worry about every single ultra precise rule if this leads to 'wrong' outcomes.

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harrow1 says...
10:12am Wed 13 Feb 13

Typo. Jesus was/ is100% (not 10%) factual.

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Romadecor says...
11:56am Wed 13 Feb 13

Thank,s harrow,1 Had a hard day yesterday tired,could not go deep your contribution was great,hope it helps someone,even some of my co-ministers disagree with me but its all done in love.My main love is the people i care for.Off again tomorrow so try to keep the ball rolling, need some sleep back on line later.

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garston tony says...
12:05pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Hmm, I thought I might be starting a tangent discussion if I mentioned religion but couldn’t let that slide. Everyone is at different stages on their path to Salvation, even people who have been believers all their lives and whose time is nearing an end can often find new meaning in the Bible. The main bit is acknowledging Jesus as our saviour.

Anyhow, back to actual topic.

Two days, at least four specific requests and numerous posts later yet STILL no answer given to my questions nor LSC's. Need I remind everyone of the childish badgering when no response was initially made to Hotpoint123's post. It’s a cheap dig but is this one rule for one and another for others again?

Often silence can say as much as a 1,000 or more words. The lack of an answer usually means the listener has to make up their own minds, again something which in this case means that members of the traveller community have missed an opportunity to distance themselves from those in their community who are the root of all their poor reputation.

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Romadecor says...
1:08pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Could not leave this one,Lets go straight to scripture,Matt22v36-
40 ''Teacher,which is the great commandment in the law?'' Jesus said to him,You shall love the Lord your God with all heart,with all your soul,and with all your mind,
This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like it.You shall love neighbor as yourself.
On these two commandments hang all the LAW and the Prophets
More may come later lets see how this one go's

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romanychristian says...
2:39pm Wed 13 Feb 13

TONY it took many days for you to respond after someone replied to your posting regarding the behaviour of a woman and her chidren at Macdonalds (9. 03 8 feb) you identified them and tagged them as Travellers because of that behaviour and despite giving a lengthy account failed to mention you tagged them as such because you had seen them at their camp earlier.Well i will give you the benefit of the dought.
i cannot see the logic in any argument you put forward-in any society there are such problems-can anyone account for it all -simply impossible and crazy to suggest it.
Fines and law apply to both sides,we exist and we pay penalty like all else it is a nonargument
There is NO leader of Romany/traveller groups,there are Elders and Christian within those groups-who then do you propose "we sort out the troublemakers " ??!!
Do you realise the numbers ?
I did say i would give you some answers if you would refrain from postings that created the mistrust that those postings create.You still crave an answer to "the guy who won big brother" and our desire to keep private. OK lets go------

After the last few days on here and after reading other posters on the subject of The Pope resignation i fully support the privacy Traveller/Romany
reserve.No-one can blame them,they have and are right to remain suspicious and have fear outside of their own communities.
If I am prepared to engage in some diaologue then that will be on my head but i do so from a slightly different grid.
BIG BROTHER WINNER won on his own merits for who he was not pretended to be.He follows a faith and believes,for that.-he is the man .
He stands up for his beliefs and his family the way he thinks is the right way be it right or wrong.I can arrange for you to meet with him and you can ask the questions but it could be a while as he is filming with Brad Pitt in the states.Some of his breed have taken their skills into the boxing ring and are progressing through the ranks and i can guarrantee the next heavyweight champion of the world will be a Romany Christian !

Maybe you should let us stay on car parks and fields we might get too clever and become M P s !!

TONY it took many days for you to respond after someone replied to your posting regarding the behaviour of a woman and her chidren at Macdonalds (9. 03 8 feb) you identified them and tagged them as Travellers because of that behaviour and despite giving a lengthy account failed to mention you tagged them as such because you had seen them at their camp earlier.Well i will give you the benefit of the dought. i cannot see the logic in any argument you put forward-in any society there are such problems-can anyone account for it all -simply impossible and crazy to suggest it. Fines and law apply to both sides,we exist and we pay penalty like all else it is a nonargument There is NO leader of Romany/traveller groups,there are Elders and Christian within those groups-who then do you propose "we sort out the troublemakers " ??!! Do you realise the numbers ? I did say i would give you some answers if you would refrain from postings that created the mistrust that those postings create.You still crave an answer to "the guy who won big brother" and our desire to keep private. OK lets go------ After the last few days on here and after reading other posters on the subject of The Pope resignation i fully support the privacy Traveller/Romany reserve.No-one can blame them,they have and are right to remain suspicious and have fear outside of their own communities. If I am prepared to engage in some diaologue then that will be on my head but i do so from a slightly different grid. BIG BROTHER WINNER won on his own merits for who he was not pretended to be.He follows a faith and believes,for that.-he is the man . He stands up for his beliefs and his family the way he thinks is the right way be it right or wrong.I can arrange for you to meet with him and you can ask the questions but it could be a while as he is filming with Brad Pitt in the states.Some of his breed have taken their skills into the boxing ring and are progressing through the ranks and i can guarrantee the next heavyweight champion of the world will be a Romany Christian ! Maybe you should let us stay on car parks and fields we might get too clever and become M P s !! romanychristian

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Mike Watford says...
3:36pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Odd in someways that it is called 'Hilton Watford'.

It isn't in Watford by some margin.

A bit like 'London Luton airport' is not in London!!

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garston tony says...
4:09pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Actually I didn't come onto this site over the weekend so didn’t see the question in response to my McDonalds post until around midday Monday at which point I did respond immediately. If I had been posting in between you might have a point. I wasn’t, wasn’t online even and your point is invalid. I cant respond to something until I have seen it can I!

However you and Phillypot on the other hand have posted a number of times since my post of Monday afternoon and have steadfastly refused to respond despite acknowledging it. I'm sure you can see the difference there.

You can give me the benefit of the doubt all you like, I didn’t at the time see the need to explain why I knew they were travellers but I wouldn’t have recounted the story if I wasn’t sure of who they were. There is no point making up tall stories as it serves no one any good.

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garston tony says...
4:09pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Peer pressure is a strong force and whilst you say you have no leaders in your community if all the right minded travellers stood up against those giving the community a bad name and said no more, enough is enough things I'm sure would improve. Just as I truly believe in the wider society a lot of ills are caused by people not being willing to stand up to bad behaviour as they would have say 30 or 40 years ago. See, I'm not claiming its just a traveller issue.

Absolutely everyone has their right to privacy, but my question again is can you not see how if you are secretative for want of a better way of putting it then its harder for people on the outside to get to know you and they are more likely to believe the negative things that people say about you?

I'll give you an example, I know a lot of Muslim people and don’t for one second believe they are all wanting to kill westerners and enforce their religion on everyone else. However they can be a closed community and people who don’t know them will be more enclined to believe every time some terrorist act is done in the name of Islam that all Muslims are of that ilk. They are not.

Ditto the traveller community, if people in wider society don’t have an opportunity to get to know you then they will look at people like the big brother winner or at programs like my big fat gypsy wedding and think all of you are like that.

That’s one of the points I was trying to make and was trying to get you to acknowledge.

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garston tony says...
4:11pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Mike Watford wrote:
Odd in someways that it is called 'Hilton Watford'. It isn't in Watford by some margin. A bit like 'London Luton airport' is not in London!!

Its the opposite of The Grove trying to claim its not in Watford when really it is

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
4:14pm Wed 13 Feb 13

romanychristian wrote:
TONY it took many days for you to respond after someone replied to your posting regarding the behaviour of a woman and her chidren at Macdonalds (9. 03 8 feb) you identified them and tagged them as Travellers because of that behaviour and despite giving a lengthy account failed to mention you tagged them as such because you had seen them at their camp earlier.Well i will give you the benefit of the dought.
i cannot see the logic in any argument you put forward-in any society there are such problems-can anyone account for it all -simply impossible and crazy to suggest it.
Fines and law apply to both sides,we exist and we pay penalty like all else it is a nonargument
There is NO leader of Romany/traveller groups,there are Elders and Christian within those groups-who then do you propose "we sort out the troublemakers " ??!!
Do you realise the numbers ?
I did say i would give you some answers if you would refrain from postings that created the mistrust that those postings create.You still crave an answer to "the guy who won big brother" and our desire to keep private. OK lets go------

After the last few days on here and after reading other posters on the subject of The Pope resignation i fully support the privacy Traveller/Romany
reserve.No-one can blame them,they have and are right to remain suspicious and have fear outside of their own communities.
If I am prepared to engage in some diaologue then that will be on my head but i do so from a slightly different grid.
BIG BROTHER WINNER won on his own merits for who he was not pretended to be.He follows a faith and believes,for that.-he is the man .
He stands up for his beliefs and his family the way he thinks is the right way be it right or wrong.I can arrange for you to meet with him and you can ask the questions but it could be a while as he is filming with Brad Pitt in the states.Some of his breed have taken their skills into the boxing ring and are progressing through the ranks and i can guarrantee the next heavyweight champion of the world will be a Romany Christian !

Maybe you should let us stay on car parks and fields we might get too clever and become M P s !!

Tyson Fury Will Be The Heavyweight Champion Of The World This Year. Fact.

I have had many chat's with his trainer and uncle Peter. The most lovely and genuine man i have ever dealt with.

Both believe in the lord. I respect every gypsy/traveller because the adhere to the moral's and principal's that have been handed down through their history.

If more country folk lived their live's to these moral's the world would be a better place!

[quote][p][bold]romanychristian[/bold] wrote: TONY it took many days for you to respond after someone replied to your posting regarding the behaviour of a woman and her chidren at Macdonalds (9. 03 8 feb) you identified them and tagged them as Travellers because of that behaviour and despite giving a lengthy account failed to mention you tagged them as such because you had seen them at their camp earlier.Well i will give you the benefit of the dought. i cannot see the logic in any argument you put forward-in any society there are such problems-can anyone account for it all -simply impossible and crazy to suggest it. Fines and law apply to both sides,we exist and we pay penalty like all else it is a nonargument There is NO leader of Romany/traveller groups,there are Elders and Christian within those groups-who then do you propose "we sort out the troublemakers " ??!! Do you realise the numbers ? I did say i would give you some answers if you would refrain from postings that created the mistrust that those postings create.You still crave an answer to "the guy who won big brother" and our desire to keep private. OK lets go------ After the last few days on here and after reading other posters on the subject of The Pope resignation i fully support the privacy Traveller/Romany reserve.No-one can blame them,they have and are right to remain suspicious and have fear outside of their own communities. If I am prepared to engage in some diaologue then that will be on my head but i do so from a slightly different grid. BIG BROTHER WINNER won on his own merits for who he was not pretended to be.He follows a faith and believes,for that.-he is the man . He stands up for his beliefs and his family the way he thinks is the right way be it right or wrong.I can arrange for you to meet with him and you can ask the questions but it could be a while as he is filming with Brad Pitt in the states.Some of his breed have taken their skills into the boxing ring and are progressing through the ranks and i can guarrantee the next heavyweight champion of the world will be a Romany Christian ! Maybe you should let us stay on car parks and fields we might get too clever and become M P s !![/p][/quote]Tyson Fury Will Be The Heavyweight Champion Of The World This Year. Fact. I have had many chat's with his trainer and uncle Peter. The most lovely and genuine man i have ever dealt with. Both believe in the lord. I respect every gypsy/traveller because the adhere to the moral's and principal's that have been handed down through their history. If more country folk lived their live's to these moral's the world would be a better place! @ChrisBottom16

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@ChrisBottom16 says...
4:26pm Wed 13 Feb 13

garston tony wrote:
Actually I didn't come onto this site over the weekend so didn’t see the question in response to my McDonalds post until around midday Monday at which point I did respond immediately. If I had been posting in between you might have a point. I wasn’t, wasn’t online even and your point is invalid. I cant respond to something until I have seen it can I!

However you and Phillypot on the other hand have posted a number of times since my post of Monday afternoon and have steadfastly refused to respond despite acknowledging it. I'm sure you can see the difference there.

You can give me the benefit of the doubt all you like, I didn’t at the time see the need to explain why I knew they were travellers but I wouldn’t have recounted the story if I wasn’t sure of who they were. There is no point making up tall stories as it serves no one any good.

I do not see what a gypsy/traveller family having a row with a women in a McDonald's car park has to do with this post?

I can take you to McDonald's in Bracknell any night of the week and show 20, 18 year old white christian's and athiest's throwing rubbish around, racing their suped up fiesta's around and trying to intimidate people?!

I do not see why you would post what you did on a post about a human being's husband dying other than to rile people up.

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LSC says...
7:17pm Wed 13 Feb 13

"If land is occupied illegaly it will be dealt with eventually .Why not question what all non traveller /Romany do wrong?
Thats where you puzzle me.You cannot discriminate because of RACE"

I promise you I question a lot of people from every walk of life about a lot of things. I most certainly do not discriminate on grounds of race, but I do very much so on the grounds of 'lifestyle choice'
If somebody choses to be anti social or willingly break the law for their gain and to the detrement of others, I will discriminate against them very strongly indeed. Like people who decide to live on somebody else's land, pay no rent and when finally forced to leave after expensive court action, leave the place in a state and move on to do it to somebody else.

If you call that discrimination, then I hold my hands up to it.

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romanychristian says...
7:31pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Tony
Thats just what it was - a story about something that happened that you had seen and your conclusion that a hotel could have reason to cancel a funeral tea because of it.
Two issues arrise from that :and although i could point them out ,i am compelled to let the matter take its course elsewhere.

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romanychristian says...
7:51pm Wed 13 Feb 13

LSC
you are drifting again.
Why do you not question what all NON Romany/traveller do wrong ?
Why the challenge in favour of the hotel involved-its clear you have personal difficulties with our race -you say they robbed you and the Police warned you not to prosecute -do you expect any credibility from that ? you say Romany is not a race ,
and that God deos not exist
"you know too much "

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LSC says...
8:40pm Wed 13 Feb 13

I did npt say Romany was not a race; I said English Traveller (as quoted in the article) is not a race, and I said that because it is true; they aren't.

As for your first sentence, I answered that in mine. I question all sorts of lifestyle choices and opinions. I question especially the ones who affect adversley other people's lives, like some traverllers do. I question the BNP, the Klu Klux klan, the Taliban, the IRA, the Black Panthers, The Moslem Brotherhood, the Mafia, drug takers, drug dealers, gang members, criminals in general, Fox News, people who watch Strictly Come Dancing and of course the French.

All the above and many more besides.

You are correct that I say god does not exist (I assume you mean the christian one, there are a lot ones alledgedly out there) but that is another subject.

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Phillypod says...
9:28pm Wed 13 Feb 13

@ChrisBottom16 wrote:

garston tony wrote:
Actually I didn't come onto this site over the weekend so didn’t see the question in response to my McDonalds post until around midday Monday at which point I did respond immediately. If I had been posting in between you might have a point. I wasn’t, wasn’t online even and your point is invalid. I cant respond to something until I have seen it can I!

However you and Phillypot on the other hand have posted a number of times since my post of Monday afternoon and have steadfastly refused to respond despite acknowledging it. I'm sure you can see the difference there.

You can give me the benefit of the doubt all you like, I didn’t at the time see the need to explain why I knew they were travellers but I wouldn’t have recounted the story if I wasn’t sure of who they were. There is no point making up tall stories as it serves no one any good.
I do not see what a gypsy/traveller family having a row with a women in a McDonald's car park has to do with this post?

I can take you to McDonald's in Bracknell any night of the week and show 20, 18 year old white christian's and athiest's throwing rubbish around, racing their suped up fiesta's around and trying to intimidate people?!

I do not see why you would post what you did on a post about a human being's husband dying other than to rile people up.

Well said Chris, I was in an Asda store recently and there were children of nine smashing wine bottles in the aisles , throwing food and the security couldn't control them. These were not gypsy children, if tony gets his head out of his backside and looks into the real world he may see its not just gypsy or travellers who do all the things he keeps harping on about! Poor Tony would need counselling if he ever drove through moss side or Salford in Manchester, or Kirkby in Liverpool! He would witness far worse than his scary McDonald's incident haaaaaa x

[quote][p][bold]@ChrisBottom16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Actually I didn't come onto this site over the weekend so didn’t see the question in response to my McDonalds post until around midday Monday at which point I did respond immediately. If I had been posting in between you might have a point. I wasn’t, wasn’t online even and your point is invalid. I cant respond to something until I have seen it can I! However you and Phillypot on the other hand have posted a number of times since my post of Monday afternoon and have steadfastly refused to respond despite acknowledging it. I'm sure you can see the difference there. You can give me the benefit of the doubt all you like, I didn’t at the time see the need to explain why I knew they were travellers but I wouldn’t have recounted the story if I wasn’t sure of who they were. There is no point making up tall stories as it serves no one any good.[/p][/quote]I do not see what a gypsy/traveller family having a row with a women in a McDonald's car park has to do with this post? I can take you to McDonald's in Bracknell any night of the week and show 20, 18 year old white christian's and athiest's throwing rubbish around, racing their suped up fiesta's around and trying to intimidate people?! I do not see why you would post what you did on a post about a human being's husband dying other than to rile people up.[/p][/quote]Well said Chris, I was in an Asda store recently and there were children of nine smashing wine bottles in the aisles , throwing food and the security couldn't control them. These were not gypsy children, if tony gets his head out of his backside and looks into the real world he may see its not just gypsy or travellers who do all the things he keeps harping on about! Poor Tony would need counselling if he ever drove through moss side or Salford in Manchester, or Kirkby in Liverpool! He would witness far worse than his scary McDonald's incident haaaaaa x Phillypod

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garston tony says...
10:19am Thu 14 Feb 13

Many people keep to morals and principles handed down to them. Doesn’t necessarily make those morals or principles right however. Again I'm talking general terms here, not specifically about any particular group.

Chrisbottom if you read the thread then you'd see the point I was trying to make. There is a lot to trawl through so I understand if you missed it.

RomanyChristian you're also still missing the point I was/am trying to make! I've also never claimed, in fact quite the opposite, that non travellers are perfect or better than travellers. I'd ask both of you not to put words in my mouth thank you but I'll not make my points again, its boring having to repeat over and over and not get an actual response.

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Gipsy family feels 'racially attacked' after Hilton hotel, Watford, cancels funeral wake