Police Crime Commissioner David Lloyd suggests ‘late night levy’ for Watford bars

Police Crime Commissioner David Lloyd’s draft police and crime plan was discussed last night at a meeting in Rickmansworth.

Watford Mayor Dorothy Thornhill said she was keen to protect the things that attract people to Watford

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

Watford’s bars and nightclubs could be required to subsidise the cost of policing outside with a "late-night levy" in proposals discussed at a meeting yesterday evening.

The suggestion is outlined in Police Crime Commissioner David Lloyd’s draft police and crime plan, discussed last night at a meeting in Rickmansworth.

In the document, which is intended to help shape the future of policing in the county, David Lloyd says a major strategy on tackling crimes against business will be released in the autumn.

He says: "Where the nature of business increases the risk and requires additional policing, I will be working with responsible business leaders to establish a fair deal for Hertfordshire’s taxpayers.

"This could include working with the pub trade to tackle alcohol related offences together, funded by sponsorship, by voluntary agreements, or by ‘late night levy’ paid by late-opening premises in specific areas."

But at the meeting Mr Lloyd stressed the importance of nightlife to the local economy, saying: "Nightlife is really valuable; I talk about business because I am one of the most business focussed commissioners.

"I will make sure I am working closely with Dorothy (Thornhill) and listening to what she thinks is best.

"It is about finding out what’s best for Watford and finding out what’s best for each place."

The report also advocates a review of the national charging regime for sports and entertainment events but Mr Lloyd says he doesn’t expect to increase the amount Watford FC are charged for policing matches.

He said: "We have got a good relationship with Watford and I do not see us trying to change that good relationship.

"I think it’s unlikely they will be asked to pay more."

The manner in which CCTV is operated in the county could also change if a proposal to re-tender the whole contract to a single supplier.

Watford Mayor Dorothy Thornhill, who sits as the Watford representative on the Police and Crime Panel, said she was keen to protect the things that attract people to Watford.

She said: "At the last meeting I said to him (Mr Lloyd) I would hope he would discuss it with us in the council because they cannot do it without us.

"I am in favour of looking at ways to get pubs and clubs to pay more towards their policing bill but not without knowing all the implications."

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12:40pm Fri 15 Feb 13

OAC Bailiff says...

damnm good idea
damnm good idea OAC Bailiff
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12:54pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Andrew1963 says...

Yes we should apply the principle elsewhere - like charging car manufacturers for repairing the roads damaged by their products.
Yes we should apply the principle elsewhere - like charging car manufacturers for repairing the roads damaged by their products. Andrew1963
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1:20pm Fri 15 Feb 13

TRT says...

More akin to imposing a levy on fast-food shops to pay for street cleaning. Which is a brilliant idea and has already been tried! I don't believe it worked. Instead they employ wardens who fine the actual people who drop the litter. Perhaps the police should levy a payment on the people they arrest...
Mind you, if a late night venue is hoping to attract people in by promoting Watford as a safe night out, then they should contribute to providing that rather than considering their obligation ends at the doorstep of their property. If they go lobbying the council about things that they believe are negatively affecting their business, then... well, the door swings both ways.
More akin to imposing a levy on fast-food shops to pay for street cleaning. Which is a brilliant idea and has already been tried! I don't believe it worked. Instead they employ wardens who fine the actual people who drop the litter. Perhaps the police should levy a payment on the people they arrest... Mind you, if a late night venue is hoping to attract people in by promoting Watford as a safe night out, then they should contribute to providing that rather than considering their obligation ends at the doorstep of their property. If they go lobbying the council about things that they believe are negatively affecting their business, then... well, the door swings both ways. TRT
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1:24pm Fri 15 Feb 13

The Rover says...

I thought these businesses already paid for the Police through their extortionate business rates?

Maybe it should be the people causing the problems picking up the bill, or would that go against the policy of being soft on criminals?
I thought these businesses already paid for the Police through their extortionate business rates? Maybe it should be the people causing the problems picking up the bill, or would that go against the policy of being soft on criminals? The Rover
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1:26pm Fri 15 Feb 13

LSC says...

He says he is going to work with businesses to address a problem. Why? Did not local businesses just win an award (with distinction) because there now barely is a problem? Is this award not proudly on display in the Harlequin? (Or is that Intu yet?).

So much BS, so little time...
He says he is going to work with businesses to address a problem. Why? Did not local businesses just win an award (with distinction) because there now barely is a problem? Is this award not proudly on display in the Harlequin? (Or is that Intu yet?). So much BS, so little time... LSC
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1:28pm Fri 15 Feb 13

TRT says...

It's not bull.

It's horse.
It's not bull. It's horse. TRT
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2:57pm Fri 15 Feb 13

G_Whiz says...

TRT wrote:
It's not bull.

It's horse.
load of old Pony!

Well, if our Bar owners insist on attracting binge drinkers from all over North west London to make themselves richer - then they should pay out a bit more!

If they don't like it - they can always move to Harrow!
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: It's not bull. It's horse.[/p][/quote]load of old Pony! Well, if our Bar owners insist on attracting binge drinkers from all over North west London to make themselves richer - then they should pay out a bit more! If they don't like it - they can always move to Harrow! G_Whiz
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4:19pm Fri 15 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Businesses already pay high taxes. So do residents.

Dotty and the conservative PCC want to raise another tax on top. No surprise there then.

Surely there are laws against anti-social behaviour and drunkeness. Why not just enforce them? After all, isn't that what we all pay our police taxes for?

If people are violent or drunk or disorderly, catch them and fine them, after all, it's their fault.
Businesses already pay high taxes. So do residents. Dotty and the conservative PCC want to raise another tax on top. No surprise there then. Surely there are laws against anti-social behaviour and drunkeness. Why not just enforce them? After all, isn't that what we all pay our police taxes for? If people are violent or drunk or disorderly, catch them and fine them, after all, it's their fault. MarsLander
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4:38pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Wacko Jacko says...

MarsLander wrote:
Businesses already pay high taxes. So do residents.

Dotty and the conservative PCC want to raise another tax on top. No surprise there then.

Surely there are laws against anti-social behaviour and drunkeness. Why not just enforce them? After all, isn't that what we all pay our police taxes for?

If people are violent or drunk or disorderly, catch them and fine them, after all, it's their fault.
Sometimes I wonder what planet you are on. That is exactly what the Police are already doing. The question is do the extra demands of policing Watford's late night pubs and clubs impose an unreasonable burden on the already over stretched Police, and if so is that sufficient to justify a levy on such businesses? Crime figures are on a downward trend so the jury is out on this one.
[quote][p][bold]MarsLander[/bold] wrote: Businesses already pay high taxes. So do residents. Dotty and the conservative PCC want to raise another tax on top. No surprise there then. Surely there are laws against anti-social behaviour and drunkeness. Why not just enforce them? After all, isn't that what we all pay our police taxes for? If people are violent or drunk or disorderly, catch them and fine them, after all, it's their fault.[/p][/quote]Sometimes I wonder what planet you are on. That is exactly what the Police are already doing. The question is do the extra demands of policing Watford's late night pubs and clubs impose an unreasonable burden on the already over stretched Police, and if so is that sufficient to justify a levy on such businesses? Crime figures are on a downward trend so the jury is out on this one. Wacko Jacko
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4:49pm Fri 15 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Earth, last time I checked the Sat-Nav.

No Wacko, the question is whether it is fair to add another tax onto business for something they and we already pay for.
Earth, last time I checked the Sat-Nav. No Wacko, the question is whether it is fair to add another tax onto business for something they and we already pay for. MarsLander
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7:56pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Maclanx says...

I'm surprised they aren't already contributing extra to help pay for a problem they fuel.
I'm surprised they aren't already contributing extra to help pay for a problem they fuel. Maclanx
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9:46pm Fri 15 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

If the PCC is successful in charging pubs and clubs for the drunken behaviour in Watford, how much is this likely to reduce my council tax bill by?

Clearly money raised through this new tax will enable him to reduce our other police taxes making it revenue neutral, or is he just looking for more money?
If the PCC is successful in charging pubs and clubs for the drunken behaviour in Watford, how much is this likely to reduce my council tax bill by? Clearly money raised through this new tax will enable him to reduce our other police taxes making it revenue neutral, or is he just looking for more money? MarsLander
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