Majority in support of parking proposals for Watford's Cassiobury Estate

Residents and businesses on a Watford estate have had the chance to have their say on improving nearby on-street parking and pedestrian crossings.

People living in the Cassiobury Estate were invited to comment on the proposals to improve the on-street parking arrangements and pedestrian access to the shops in Langley Way.

The proposals have recommended a two hour parking restriction be introduced on weekdays between 10.30am and 2.30pm on all on-street parking spaces around the Langley Way and Cassiobury Drive roundabout.

In addition, pedestrian crossing points will be installed, as well as bus stop facilities and cycle parking.

Figures from the consultation event held at St Luke’s Church in Langley Way showed 68 per cent of respondents were in support for the proposals.

Hertfordshire County Council’s cabinet member for highways and transport, Councillor Stuart Pile said: "We were really encouraged by the level of interest shown at the consultation event - it was very well attended and busy all day.

"It is great to be working with Watford Borough Council on this project, which will help to improve pedestrian access to the shops and aid vehicle turnover, allowing residents to park outside the shops more easily."

Residents and businesses will be advised of the project start date once they have been confirmed.

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2:34pm Sun 17 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

68% sounds quite impressive.

To put that into context, what percentage of residents responded?
68% sounds quite impressive. To put that into context, what percentage of residents responded? MarsLander

5:36pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Mohandas says...

The lack of connectivity between development, the lack of public transport, and parking is creating real pressures on a variety of people eg those 'bussing' their children across town, hurrying to catch a train on our overloaded roads. Just look at the chaos outside most of these expanding 'neighbourhood' junior schools eg Beechfield, Holyrood.

This lack of joined up thinking pressures give rise to demands for insensitive parking restrictions which can hurt legitimate businesses and access to services. This creates a domino effect as displaced drivers look far and wide eg the narrow terraced streets off the St Albans Rd, to avoid high parking charges as at the junction. The result is to further ramp up the pressures in other areas.
The lack of connectivity between development, the lack of public transport, and parking is creating real pressures on a variety of people eg those 'bussing' their children across town, hurrying to catch a train on our overloaded roads. Just look at the chaos outside most of these expanding 'neighbourhood' junior schools eg Beechfield, Holyrood. This lack of joined up thinking pressures give rise to demands for insensitive parking restrictions which can hurt legitimate businesses and access to services. This creates a domino effect as displaced drivers look far and wide eg the narrow terraced streets off the St Albans Rd, to avoid high parking charges as at the junction. The result is to further ramp up the pressures in other areas. Mohandas

6:19pm Sun 17 Feb 13

John Dowdle says...

Of course a majority of local residents are in favour - because it will cost them nothing! Most of them have their own drive ways on which they can park their own vehicles and the vehicles of their guests. The enforcement costs will have to be met by those others - like myself - who pay for parking permits in other parts of the town. Yet again, this is a policy under which the less well off will subsidise the better off so that they will not have to put up with the effects of students and others needing to find parking local to West Herts College and other facilities in the town. Cassiobury residents will not contribute one single penny to the cost of the scheme - it is little wonder that they support it. Am I wrong?
Of course a majority of local residents are in favour - because it will cost them nothing! Most of them have their own drive ways on which they can park their own vehicles and the vehicles of their guests. The enforcement costs will have to be met by those others - like myself - who pay for parking permits in other parts of the town. Yet again, this is a policy under which the less well off will subsidise the better off so that they will not have to put up with the effects of students and others needing to find parking local to West Herts College and other facilities in the town. Cassiobury residents will not contribute one single penny to the cost of the scheme - it is little wonder that they support it. Am I wrong? John Dowdle

9:14pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Mike Ribble says...

As I understand it a problem has arisen recently with people parking on or near the roundabout for long periods.
Traditionally these spaces have been used by those visiting the shops and they parked for only short periods. Since the advent of bus passes for the elderly a growing number of local residents have taken to driving to the roundabout and parking there and travelling into Watford by bus. More recently the diminishing supply of free spaces close to the town centre has made this area attractive to long term or commuter parking. The purpose of the plan is to discourage long term parking and restore easy access to the shops. That's why it is popular.
As I understand it a problem has arisen recently with people parking on or near the roundabout for long periods. Traditionally these spaces have been used by those visiting the shops and they parked for only short periods. Since the advent of bus passes for the elderly a growing number of local residents have taken to driving to the roundabout and parking there and travelling into Watford by bus. More recently the diminishing supply of free spaces close to the town centre has made this area attractive to long term or commuter parking. The purpose of the plan is to discourage long term parking and restore easy access to the shops. That's why it is popular. Mike Ribble

7:28am Mon 18 Feb 13

Watfordmum says...

When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care
When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care Watfordmum

8:31am Mon 18 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

There will always be people seeking free parking, it is human nature.

By restricting parking in one area, you are merely moving the problem to another area.

Watford should have a reasonable element of free parking in all suitable streets, including the Cassiobury. It never did any harm before, did it?

Residents do not own the roads, only their gardens and houses, so residents in one area like the Cassiobury have taken away a useful facility for the residents of the whole town on land that belongs to the whole town.

Of course, the council makes a lot of money from restricting parking, as do the car park operators, so it is in the councils interests to do away with free parking.

Is doing away with free parking in the interests of the general public though? I would say not and that the council is following the wrong policy with the not very well hidden motive of making money in the process.

It's time we had a council that worked for the whole town, not just the Cassiobury estate where a lot of councillors happen to live.
There will always be people seeking free parking, it is human nature. By restricting parking in one area, you are merely moving the problem to another area. Watford should have a reasonable element of free parking in all suitable streets, including the Cassiobury. It never did any harm before, did it? Residents do not own the roads, only their gardens and houses, so residents in one area like the Cassiobury have taken away a useful facility for the residents of the whole town on land that belongs to the whole town. Of course, the council makes a lot of money from restricting parking, as do the car park operators, so it is in the councils interests to do away with free parking. Is doing away with free parking in the interests of the general public though? I would say not and that the council is following the wrong policy with the not very well hidden motive of making money in the process. It's time we had a council that worked for the whole town, not just the Cassiobury estate where a lot of councillors happen to live. MarsLander

8:32am Mon 18 Feb 13

inayellowshirt says...

Watfordmum wrote:
When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care
Hear Hear Watfordmum

The council and parking system ignore any emails asking about considering residents parking scheme on roads off St Albans Road.

Pretty much every day is a constant drive around the roads looking for a spot. Made worse by inconsiderate bad parking.

The recent snow has shown just how many cars are just left on the roads never going anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordmum[/bold] wrote: When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care[/p][/quote]Hear Hear Watfordmum The council and parking system ignore any emails asking about considering residents parking scheme on roads off St Albans Road. Pretty much every day is a constant drive around the roads looking for a spot. Made worse by inconsiderate bad parking. The recent snow has shown just how many cars are just left on the roads never going anywhere. inayellowshirt

8:34am Mon 18 Feb 13

inayellowshirt says...

and any political party offering to put in a residents scheme would get my vote.

There you go Watford Councillors.... theres a vote in it for you!!
and any political party offering to put in a residents scheme would get my vote. There you go Watford Councillors.... theres a vote in it for you!! inayellowshirt

8:47am Mon 18 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

inayellowshirt wrote:
and any political party offering to put in a residents scheme would get my vote.

There you go Watford Councillors.... theres a vote in it for you!!
Sadly, they're more interested in money than doing what's right...
[quote][p][bold]inayellowshirt[/bold] wrote: and any political party offering to put in a residents scheme would get my vote. There you go Watford Councillors.... theres a vote in it for you!![/p][/quote]Sadly, they're more interested in money than doing what's right... MarsLander

10:26am Mon 18 Feb 13

TRT says...

Watfordmum wrote:
When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care
It'll get worse in West Watford with the health campus and the CRL, of course.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordmum[/bold] wrote: When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care[/p][/quote]It'll get worse in West Watford with the health campus and the CRL, of course. TRT

10:39am Mon 18 Feb 13

Mike Watford says...

MarsLander wrote:
There will always be people seeking free parking, it is human nature. By restricting parking in one area, you are merely moving the problem to another area. Watford should have a reasonable element of free parking in all suitable streets, including the Cassiobury. It never did any harm before, did it? Residents do not own the roads, only their gardens and houses, so residents in one area like the Cassiobury have taken away a useful facility for the residents of the whole town on land that belongs to the whole town. Of course, the council makes a lot of money from restricting parking, as do the car park operators, so it is in the councils interests to do away with free parking. Is doing away with free parking in the interests of the general public though? I would say not and that the council is following the wrong policy with the not very well hidden motive of making money in the process. It's time we had a council that worked for the whole town, not just the Cassiobury estate where a lot of councillors happen to live.
The council are clear on their consultations when they ask us as residents - they don't 'make money' from the parking schemes - it just covers costs overall.

I live in west watford and without residents parking it would mean that anyone using the hospital, football ground or even working in the town centre would park, clogging up the streets.
[quote][p][bold]MarsLander[/bold] wrote: There will always be people seeking free parking, it is human nature. By restricting parking in one area, you are merely moving the problem to another area. Watford should have a reasonable element of free parking in all suitable streets, including the Cassiobury. It never did any harm before, did it? Residents do not own the roads, only their gardens and houses, so residents in one area like the Cassiobury have taken away a useful facility for the residents of the whole town on land that belongs to the whole town. Of course, the council makes a lot of money from restricting parking, as do the car park operators, so it is in the councils interests to do away with free parking. Is doing away with free parking in the interests of the general public though? I would say not and that the council is following the wrong policy with the not very well hidden motive of making money in the process. It's time we had a council that worked for the whole town, not just the Cassiobury estate where a lot of councillors happen to live.[/p][/quote]The council are clear on their consultations when they ask us as residents - they don't 'make money' from the parking schemes - it just covers costs overall. I live in west watford and without residents parking it would mean that anyone using the hospital, football ground or even working in the town centre would park, clogging up the streets. Mike Watford

10:47am Mon 18 Feb 13

Mike Watford says...

TRT wrote:
Watfordmum wrote: When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care
It'll get worse in West Watford with the health campus and the CRL, of course.
eh - not sure how you make this out, as west Watford already has residents parking.
...and Croxley Rail Link should help. It might encourage some people - like me - to sell my car and just use public transport! :-)
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watfordmum[/bold] wrote: When will North Watford residents be consulted on parking controls in their local area? We do not have the luxury of driveways yet have to put up with commuters, town centre shoppers and people from far and wide parking for what can be days at a time outside our houses. I am lucky to get a parking space on my street at any time of day. Local councillors and watford council have no interest in supporting us. Maybe there is just not enough wealth in the area for them to care[/p][/quote]It'll get worse in West Watford with the health campus and the CRL, of course.[/p][/quote]eh - not sure how you make this out, as west Watford already has residents parking. ...and Croxley Rail Link should help. It might encourage some people - like me - to sell my car and just use public transport! :-) Mike Watford

11:30am Mon 18 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Mike Watford wrote:
MarsLander wrote:
There will always be people seeking free parking, it is human nature. By restricting parking in one area, you are merely moving the problem to another area. Watford should have a reasonable element of free parking in all suitable streets, including the Cassiobury. It never did any harm before, did it? Residents do not own the roads, only their gardens and houses, so residents in one area like the Cassiobury have taken away a useful facility for the residents of the whole town on land that belongs to the whole town. Of course, the council makes a lot of money from restricting parking, as do the car park operators, so it is in the councils interests to do away with free parking. Is doing away with free parking in the interests of the general public though? I would say not and that the council is following the wrong policy with the not very well hidden motive of making money in the process. It's time we had a council that worked for the whole town, not just the Cassiobury estate where a lot of councillors happen to live.
The council are clear on their consultations when they ask us as residents - they don't 'make money' from the parking schemes - it just covers costs overall.

I live in west watford and without residents parking it would mean that anyone using the hospital, football ground or even working in the town centre would park, clogging up the streets.
Mike,

the parking scheme is in surplus and therefore makes money. Last year (2011/12) profit from parking (not income, but profit) was up from £766,000 to £965,000 compared to the previous year. A million pounds profit. If it is revenue neutral, why not reduce charges so it doesn't make such obscene profits?

There are places where parking schemes are good things, and places where they are not required but are implemented anyway, like perhaps the Cassiobury.

Matthew Sinclair of the TaxPayers' Alliance said: 'This massive rise over the last year suggests councils are using already hard-pressed motorists as a cash cow.'

I think he's got a point, don't you?

Read more: http://www.thisismon
ey.co.uk/money/cars/
article-2259588/How-
did-Council-make-par
king-fees-2011-12.ht
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[quote][p][bold]Mike Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarsLander[/bold] wrote: There will always be people seeking free parking, it is human nature. By restricting parking in one area, you are merely moving the problem to another area. Watford should have a reasonable element of free parking in all suitable streets, including the Cassiobury. It never did any harm before, did it? Residents do not own the roads, only their gardens and houses, so residents in one area like the Cassiobury have taken away a useful facility for the residents of the whole town on land that belongs to the whole town. Of course, the council makes a lot of money from restricting parking, as do the car park operators, so it is in the councils interests to do away with free parking. Is doing away with free parking in the interests of the general public though? I would say not and that the council is following the wrong policy with the not very well hidden motive of making money in the process. It's time we had a council that worked for the whole town, not just the Cassiobury estate where a lot of councillors happen to live.[/p][/quote]The council are clear on their consultations when they ask us as residents - they don't 'make money' from the parking schemes - it just covers costs overall. I live in west watford and without residents parking it would mean that anyone using the hospital, football ground or even working in the town centre would park, clogging up the streets.[/p][/quote]Mike, the parking scheme is in surplus and therefore makes money. Last year (2011/12) profit from parking (not income, but profit) was up from £766,000 to £965,000 compared to the previous year. A million pounds profit. If it is revenue neutral, why not reduce charges so it doesn't make such obscene profits? There are places where parking schemes are good things, and places where they are not required but are implemented anyway, like perhaps the Cassiobury. Matthew Sinclair of the TaxPayers' Alliance said: 'This massive rise over the last year suggests councils are using already hard-pressed motorists as a cash cow.' I think he's got a point, don't you? Read more: http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/cars/ article-2259588/How- did-Council-make-par king-fees-2011-12.ht ml#ixzz2LFV7mCWA MarsLander

11:41am Mon 18 Feb 13

Watfordmum says...

inayellowshirt wrote:
and any political party offering to put in a residents scheme would get my vote.

There you go Watford Councillors.... theres a vote in it for you!!
Local councillors sent out communications around the last election asking what residents wanted and said they would offer a consultation in the summer. This was nearly a year ago and nothing has been heard since. A previous excuse was the cost of a consultation, but if other areas can have one, why not us? Even a restriction between 1000hrs and 1200hrs would help stop commuters using it as a car park and not have such a impact on local residents, visitors and businesses.
[quote][p][bold]inayellowshirt[/bold] wrote: and any political party offering to put in a residents scheme would get my vote. There you go Watford Councillors.... theres a vote in it for you!![/p][/quote]Local councillors sent out communications around the last election asking what residents wanted and said they would offer a consultation in the summer. This was nearly a year ago and nothing has been heard since. A previous excuse was the cost of a consultation, but if other areas can have one, why not us? Even a restriction between 1000hrs and 1200hrs would help stop commuters using it as a car park and not have such a impact on local residents, visitors and businesses. Watfordmum

1:07pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Mohandas says...

I thought the raison d'etre of wardens was to encourage the free flow of traffic to help the wealth creating economic activity run smoothly, revenue neutral,reduce traffic jams and pollution. Alot comment seems about about making more money and building surpluses. Does anyone have any figures for the top 3 areas that are cost efficient and contribute the most in parking revenue and does squeezing out parking capacity secure the likelihood of more being money being grabbed?
I thought the raison d'etre of wardens was to encourage the free flow of traffic to help the wealth creating economic activity run smoothly, revenue neutral,reduce traffic jams and pollution. Alot comment seems about about making more money and building surpluses. Does anyone have any figures for the top 3 areas that are cost efficient and contribute the most in parking revenue and does squeezing out parking capacity secure the likelihood of more being money being grabbed? Mohandas

2:53pm Mon 18 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Mohandas, that was their raison d'etre in the 70's.

Now all they want to do is collect as much money as possible.
Mohandas, that was their raison d'etre in the 70's. Now all they want to do is collect as much money as possible. MarsLander

6:02pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Wacko Jacko says...

MarSlander, I find it hard to believe your figures about huge profits from parking, I'd heard the residents parking schemes are cost neutral or ran at a slight loss. Where are you getting your figures from?
MarSlander, I find it hard to believe your figures about huge profits from parking, I'd heard the residents parking schemes are cost neutral or ran at a slight loss. Where are you getting your figures from? Wacko Jacko

6:38pm Mon 18 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
MarSlander, I find it hard to believe your figures about huge profits from parking, I'd heard the residents parking schemes are cost neutral or ran at a slight loss. Where are you getting your figures from?
I hope your eyesight is ok as I clearly put the link on the post. It is from the thisismoney website. It did a rundown of council income from parking. The story was about how councils have cottoned on to making extra money from services like parking, making huge rises in "suplus profits".

From newer stories, the council also appears to be doing the same from litter dropping, spinning it into gold.

Here is the link again. Cut and paste it into a browser.

http://www.thisismon

ey.co.uk/money/cars/

article-2259588/How-

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king-fees-2011-12.ht

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Watford are not the only council fleecing people in this way, it seems to be a trend among unscrupulous councils.

Saying it is revenue neutral is a bit of a whopper isn't it? - The figures clearly show a huge surplus, the surplus in 2012 being about 20-25% up on the previous year. This appears to only be going in one direction for the people of Watford...
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: MarSlander, I find it hard to believe your figures about huge profits from parking, I'd heard the residents parking schemes are cost neutral or ran at a slight loss. Where are you getting your figures from?[/p][/quote]I hope your eyesight is ok as I clearly put the link on the post. It is from the thisismoney website. It did a rundown of council income from parking. The story was about how councils have cottoned on to making extra money from services like parking, making huge rises in "suplus profits". From newer stories, the council also appears to be doing the same from litter dropping, spinning it into gold. Here is the link again. Cut and paste it into a browser. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/cars/ article-2259588/How- did-Council-make-par king-fees-2011-12.ht ml#ixzz2LFV7mCWA Watford are not the only council fleecing people in this way, it seems to be a trend among unscrupulous councils. Saying it is revenue neutral is a bit of a whopper isn't it? - The figures clearly show a huge surplus, the surplus in 2012 being about 20-25% up on the previous year. This appears to only be going in one direction for the people of Watford... MarsLander

8:09pm Mon 18 Feb 13

John Dowdle says...

The scheme is designed to be revenue-neutral in the sense that any surplus income generated is ring-fenced for further parking regulation purposes.
The costs associated with this latest extension of parking controls is presumably being met out of the surplus generated by people living in areas where they do purchase parking permits.
This means that people living in less affluent areas - where they are unlikely to have their own drive ways and garages - are subsidising the costs of this latest scheme through their parking permit payments.
This is a reverse form of social engineering in that it is penalising the less well off to benefit the better off.
Perhaps those of us who live in areas where we pay for parking permits should be demanding similar treatment instead of being discriminated against as at present?
Should we all not demand that similar parking controls - i.e. no parking zones between certain working time hours - could be applied throughout the whole of Watford?
This would bring about an outcome where those keeping unused cars on the road for days on end would have to confront the necessity of keeping their cars for just very occasional use.
Alternatively, they would have a "use it or lose it" situation where they would at least need to go out and move their cars at least once a day.
If this approach were to be adopted, then all parking permits could be scrapped but the overall cost of enforcing parking controls would then have to be met from the general revenue budget of Watford Council such that all council tax payers throughout Watford would end up meeting the costs of parking enforcement across Watford.
Still, it's a thought, isn't it?
The scheme is designed to be revenue-neutral in the sense that any surplus income generated is ring-fenced for further parking regulation purposes. The costs associated with this latest extension of parking controls is presumably being met out of the surplus generated by people living in areas where they do purchase parking permits. This means that people living in less affluent areas - where they are unlikely to have their own drive ways and garages - are subsidising the costs of this latest scheme through their parking permit payments. This is a reverse form of social engineering in that it is penalising the less well off to benefit the better off. Perhaps those of us who live in areas where we pay for parking permits should be demanding similar treatment instead of being discriminated against as at present? Should we all not demand that similar parking controls - i.e. no parking zones between certain working time hours - could be applied throughout the whole of Watford? This would bring about an outcome where those keeping unused cars on the road for days on end would have to confront the necessity of keeping their cars for just very occasional use. Alternatively, they would have a "use it or lose it" situation where they would at least need to go out and move their cars at least once a day. If this approach were to be adopted, then all parking permits could be scrapped but the overall cost of enforcing parking controls would then have to be met from the general revenue budget of Watford Council such that all council tax payers throughout Watford would end up meeting the costs of parking enforcement across Watford. Still, it's a thought, isn't it? John Dowdle

8:47pm Mon 18 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

What business is it of yours what a person does with their car, whether they leave it parked for days? Maybe they're on holiday, or who cares what.

There are people who let people live their lives and there are people who have decided it is their job to tell others how to live their lives and what they can and cannot do with their perfectly legal cars on the Queens highway.

I think I know which one you are John, and you're dangerous!

The idea of forcing all car owners with a car parked in Watford to go out and move their car somewhere else just to get around a petty parking restriction is perhaps the most stupid one I have ever heard. It's certainly a costly and very un-green idea that clearly has not been thought through in the least.

Ideas like that need to be filed in the requisite place, and currently in Watford that place is still emptied every week.
What business is it of yours what a person does with their car, whether they leave it parked for days? Maybe they're on holiday, or who cares what. There are people who let people live their lives and there are people who have decided it is their job to tell others how to live their lives and what they can and cannot do with their perfectly legal cars on the Queens highway. I think I know which one you are John, and you're dangerous! The idea of forcing all car owners with a car parked in Watford to go out and move their car somewhere else just to get around a petty parking restriction is perhaps the most stupid one I have ever heard. It's certainly a costly and very un-green idea that clearly has not been thought through in the least. Ideas like that need to be filed in the requisite place, and currently in Watford that place is still emptied every week. MarsLander

10:04pm Mon 18 Feb 13

John Dowdle says...

MarsLander - you may have a point!
I still think it is wrong for parts of Watford to pay the costs of parking enforcement for other parts of Watford, particularly when those meeting the costs live in areas less affluent than those which are more affluent.
However, there appears to be no easy solution except to move to areas which are more affluent but, for that to happen, one needs more money than one has.
It's the rich wot gets the free parking and its the poor wot gets to pay for it.
When was it ever different?
MarsLander - you may have a point! I still think it is wrong for parts of Watford to pay the costs of parking enforcement for other parts of Watford, particularly when those meeting the costs live in areas less affluent than those which are more affluent. However, there appears to be no easy solution except to move to areas which are more affluent but, for that to happen, one needs more money than one has. It's the rich wot gets the free parking and its the poor wot gets to pay for it. When was it ever different? John Dowdle

8:45am Tue 19 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

John Dowdle wrote:
MarsLander - you may have a point!
I still think it is wrong for parts of Watford to pay the costs of parking enforcement for other parts of Watford, particularly when those meeting the costs live in areas less affluent than those which are more affluent.
However, there appears to be no easy solution except to move to areas which are more affluent but, for that to happen, one needs more money than one has.
It's the rich wot gets the free parking and its the poor wot gets to pay for it.
When was it ever different?
Swings and roundabouts John, the people in big houses (not necessarily cash rich) pay far higher council taxes and therefore subsidise those in smaller houses who may have more disposable income.

Like life, taxes are not fair. We must just strive to make them as fair as possible, in whatever guise they are presented to us.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: MarsLander - you may have a point! I still think it is wrong for parts of Watford to pay the costs of parking enforcement for other parts of Watford, particularly when those meeting the costs live in areas less affluent than those which are more affluent. However, there appears to be no easy solution except to move to areas which are more affluent but, for that to happen, one needs more money than one has. It's the rich wot gets the free parking and its the poor wot gets to pay for it. When was it ever different?[/p][/quote]Swings and roundabouts John, the people in big houses (not necessarily cash rich) pay far higher council taxes and therefore subsidise those in smaller houses who may have more disposable income. Like life, taxes are not fair. We must just strive to make them as fair as possible, in whatever guise they are presented to us. MarsLander

1:16pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Veritas says...

another ill thought out policy at our lovely council.

Did they think poor students and commuters were going to pay for the silly prices in Watfords car parks, when they can park for free on the Cassiobury?

We know plenty of cassiobury residents and they are not happy with the CPZ scheme,as it means people wanting to use the park find it difficult to park.

It seems our useless Fib Dem councillors are maybe trying to find ways of gaining votes from these residents?
another ill thought out policy at our lovely council. Did they think poor students and commuters were going to pay for the silly prices in Watfords car parks, when they can park for free on the Cassiobury? We know plenty of cassiobury residents and they are not happy with the CPZ scheme,as it means people wanting to use the park find it difficult to park. It seems our useless Fib Dem councillors are maybe trying to find ways of gaining votes from these residents? Veritas

1:23pm Tue 19 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

You would think the park and the roads surrounding it would be for the benefit of all Watford residents.

Whatever are the LibDems thinking?

Mind you, remove the free parking and more people have to pay. More paid parking means more money for the council to spend on their strange schemes.

I wonder if they will build a bridge over the paddling pools in the park with all the extra money? If they create a CPZ around the paddling pools they will be able to use the millions they have in profits from parking in Watford.

Personally, I think they're just nuts.
You would think the park and the roads surrounding it would be for the benefit of all Watford residents. Whatever are the LibDems thinking? Mind you, remove the free parking and more people have to pay. More paid parking means more money for the council to spend on their strange schemes. I wonder if they will build a bridge over the paddling pools in the park with all the extra money? If they create a CPZ around the paddling pools they will be able to use the millions they have in profits from parking in Watford. Personally, I think they're just nuts. MarsLander

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