Abbots Langley Transition Town Association given council cash grant

An Abbots Langley climate change awareness organisation has been given a council cash grant.

Hertfordshire County Council has given Abbots Langley Transition Town Association £550 to pay for publicity materials, venue hire, website maintenance and public talks.

The money has come from the council’s locality budget scheme.

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12:27pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Money well spent NOT!!!!
Money well spent NOT!!!! Hornets number 12 fan
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3:30pm Mon 25 Feb 13

garston tony says...

Do you know this group? Are you involved? Have you received some of their literature, attended a meeting, seen their web site?

If not then thats not really a fair comment HN12 is it
Do you know this group? Are you involved? Have you received some of their literature, attended a meeting, seen their web site? If not then thats not really a fair comment HN12 is it garston tony
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9:09am Tue 26 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

I agree with HN12.

A pathetic waste of taxes
I agree with HN12. A pathetic waste of taxes MarsLander
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10:19am Tue 26 Feb 13

Bobbio says...

I agree with Sir Humphrey of Yes Prime Minister about Climate Change. He says:-
Global warming computer models are no more accurate than the financial ones. Wall Street computer models were designed to show sub prime mortgages were low risk; Global Warming Computer Models are designed to show Global Warming is getting worse. Computer models for Mad Cow Disease proved we would be all dying in our hundreds and thousands by now, in fact hardly anybody has died.

Global Warming computer models rule out all other possibilities except CO2 and then say ‘look, CO2 is causing global warming’. Models show fewer polar bears but in fact counts show there are now more than 30 years ago.

Some scientists believe CO2 causes global warming but most just want to get hold of the vast amounts of dollars available for research grants to show that Global Warming is caused by greenhouse gas. Scientists who don’t believe this can’t get published.

Journalists love shock horror stories, governments like to look virtuous to their voters, lefties want to bash people, and it makes all the tree huggers and whale savers and everyone in the BBC feel warm and fuzzy inside.

There isn’t enough wind to be practical. Wind farms make sense to landowners who get huge government grants but the output of all UK wind farms is less than a quarter of one coal fired power station.
I agree with Sir Humphrey of Yes Prime Minister about Climate Change. He says:- Global warming computer models are no more accurate than the financial ones. Wall Street computer models were designed to show sub prime mortgages were low risk; Global Warming Computer Models are designed to show Global Warming is getting worse. Computer models for Mad Cow Disease proved we would be all dying in our hundreds and thousands by now, in fact hardly anybody has died. Global Warming computer models rule out all other possibilities except CO2 and then say ‘look, CO2 is causing global warming’. Models show fewer polar bears but in fact counts show there are now more than 30 years ago. Some scientists believe CO2 causes global warming but most just want to get hold of the vast amounts of dollars available for research grants to show that Global Warming is caused by greenhouse gas. Scientists who don’t believe this can’t get published. Journalists love shock horror stories, governments like to look virtuous to their voters, lefties want to bash people, and it makes all the tree huggers and whale savers and everyone in the BBC feel warm and fuzzy inside. There isn’t enough wind to be practical. Wind farms make sense to landowners who get huge government grants but the output of all UK wind farms is less than a quarter of one coal fired power station. Bobbio
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10:25am Tue 26 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Supposed climate change - I say "supposed" because I for one am a sceptic that it's even happening - has assumed the status virtually of a religion and anyone who dares to question or challenge it is treated more or less as a heretic or holocaust denier.

I see climate change campaigners as self righteous little souls in woolly hats (probably with a woolly brain beneath) and a halo who must give themselves a big hug in the morning and tell themselves how wonderful they are because they're changing the world!

Do they really need taxpayers' money to do it?
Supposed climate change - I say "supposed" because I for one am a sceptic that it's even happening - has assumed the status virtually of a religion and anyone who dares to question or challenge it is treated more or less as a heretic or holocaust denier. I see climate change campaigners as self righteous little souls in woolly hats (probably with a woolly brain beneath) and a halo who must give themselves a big hug in the morning and tell themselves how wonderful they are because they're changing the world! Do they really need taxpayers' money to do it? Roy Stockdill
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10:27am Tue 26 Feb 13

Bobbio says...

Roy, I agree with you one hundred percent
Roy, I agree with you one hundred percent Bobbio
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11:36am Tue 26 Feb 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

garston tony wrote:
Do you know this group? Are you involved? Have you received some of their literature, attended a meeting, seen their web site?

If not then thats not really a fair comment HN12 is it
I stand by what I said the subject is not worthy of wasting tax payers money on. There are FAR more pressing issues this money could have been donated to. Global warming is for the foil hat brigade!
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Do you know this group? Are you involved? Have you received some of their literature, attended a meeting, seen their web site? If not then thats not really a fair comment HN12 is it[/p][/quote]I stand by what I said the subject is not worthy of wasting tax payers money on. There are FAR more pressing issues this money could have been donated to. Global warming is for the foil hat brigade! Hornets number 12 fan
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11:37am Tue 26 Feb 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

garston tony wrote:
Do you know this group? Are you involved? Have you received some of their literature, attended a meeting, seen their web site?

If not then thats not really a fair comment HN12 is it
I stand by what I said the subject is not worthy of wasting tax payers money on. There are FAR more pressing issues this money could have been donated to. Global warming is for the foil hat brigade!
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Do you know this group? Are you involved? Have you received some of their literature, attended a meeting, seen their web site? If not then thats not really a fair comment HN12 is it[/p][/quote]I stand by what I said the subject is not worthy of wasting tax payers money on. There are FAR more pressing issues this money could have been donated to. Global warming is for the foil hat brigade! Hornets number 12 fan
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11:53am Tue 26 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I've just discovered by a spot of Googling that this same outfit, Abbots Langley Town Transition Association, were given £400 in February 2011 by a Lib-Dem councillor called Paul Goggins from his locality budget. So that's almost a thousand quid they've had from the taxpayer in 2 years, presumably to produce acres of publicity bumf that very few will bother to read.

I can't help wondering how many trees will be chopped down to produce their posters and literature and at the same time how many polar bears you could feed for, say, a month with a thousand quid!
I've just discovered by a spot of Googling that this same outfit, Abbots Langley Town Transition Association, were given £400 in February 2011 by a Lib-Dem councillor called Paul Goggins from his locality budget. So that's almost a thousand quid they've had from the taxpayer in 2 years, presumably to produce acres of publicity bumf that very few will bother to read. I can't help wondering how many trees will be chopped down to produce their posters and literature and at the same time how many polar bears you could feed for, say, a month with a thousand quid! Roy Stockdill
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3:07pm Tue 26 Feb 13

garston tony says...

And I bet not one of you actually has had any dealings with this organisations.

Nothing like sniping from afar is there
And I bet not one of you actually has had any dealings with this organisations. Nothing like sniping from afar is there garston tony
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4:10pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill says...

We don't have to deal with people or a group, Tony, to spot naivety at a thousand yards!
We don't have to deal with people or a group, Tony, to spot naivety at a thousand yards! Roy Stockdill
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4:57pm Tue 26 Feb 13

LSC says...

Just look at what the money was given for: "publicity materials, venue hire, website maintenance and public talks."

Er, research would be nice.
Just look at what the money was given for: "publicity materials, venue hire, website maintenance and public talks." Er, research would be nice. LSC
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7:36pm Tue 26 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

LSC wrote:
Just look at what the money was given for: "publicity materials, venue hire, website maintenance and public talks."

Er, research would be nice.
Research? Are you mad?

Research would show it all to be one massive con.

No. no, far better to just go around evangelising before people ask awkward questions. And while you're at it, build a windmill and put up taxes, there's a good fellow.
[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: Just look at what the money was given for: "publicity materials, venue hire, website maintenance and public talks." Er, research would be nice.[/p][/quote]Research? Are you mad? Research would show it all to be one massive con. No. no, far better to just go around evangelising before people ask awkward questions. And while you're at it, build a windmill and put up taxes, there's a good fellow. MarsLander
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8:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

WatfordAlex says...

Type 'climate change' into a news story on the internet and you attract loony right ringers like flies to dung!

'Transition towns' according to the world wide web, is about building local resilience to diminishing resources through promoting energy efficiency and local renewable energy production. Given that two of the most serious challenges facing us are climate change and peak oil, every penny spent on delivering energy efficiency schemes and non-fossil fuel power is highly valuable.

Not that anything I say will convince the cornucopian loons. If universal acceptance of climate change science by all of the world's national scientific academies is not enough for you, then that's a level of denial I can't hope to dent!
Type 'climate change' into a news story on the internet and you attract loony right ringers like flies to dung! 'Transition towns' according to the world wide web, is about building local resilience to diminishing resources through promoting energy efficiency and local renewable energy production. Given that two of the most serious challenges facing us are climate change and peak oil, every penny spent on delivering energy efficiency schemes and non-fossil fuel power is highly valuable. Not that anything I say will convince the cornucopian loons. If universal acceptance of climate change science by all of the world's national scientific academies is not enough for you, then that's a level of denial I can't hope to dent! WatfordAlex
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10:18pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>'Transition towns' according to the world wide web, is about building local resilience to diminishing resources through promoting energy efficiency and local renewable energy production. Given that two of the most serious challenges facing us are climate change and peak oil, every penny spent on delivering energy efficiency schemes and non-fossil fuel power is highly valuable.<

Oh dear, why do all politically correct Lefties have to speak and write in this appalling jargon? Can't anyone communicate in plain, simple English any more?

The very term "transition towns" is just another piece of meaningless PC gobbledegook dreamed up by some Guardian-reading barmpot in a woolly hat to make other no doubt well-meaning people feel warm and fuzzy inside and give them a glow of self righteousness that they are "saving the world".

Can anyone actually tell me what they are physically doing, literally, in their own homes and their own lives to achieve this high-sounding but meaningless "mission statement"? Are they all riding recyclable cardboard bicycles, are they all running the car on chicken s * * t or have they got granny out in the garden turning the wheel of a home-made electricity generator to watch telly?

All I see are a bunch of fuzzy, well-intentioned but naive people clustered round a dining table in Abbots Langley once a week, probably knocking back a few glasses of vino and wondering how they can spend this money they've been given on producing boring posters in bad English that nobody will bother to read!
>'Transition towns' according to the world wide web, is about building local resilience to diminishing resources through promoting energy efficiency and local renewable energy production. Given that two of the most serious challenges facing us are climate change and peak oil, every penny spent on delivering energy efficiency schemes and non-fossil fuel power is highly valuable.< Oh dear, why do all politically correct Lefties have to speak and write in this appalling jargon? Can't anyone communicate in plain, simple English any more? The very term "transition towns" is just another piece of meaningless PC gobbledegook dreamed up by some Guardian-reading barmpot in a woolly hat to make other no doubt well-meaning people feel warm and fuzzy inside and give them a glow of self righteousness that they are "saving the world". Can anyone actually tell me what they are physically doing, literally, in their own homes and their own lives to achieve this high-sounding but meaningless "mission statement"? Are they all riding recyclable cardboard bicycles, are they all running the car on chicken s * * t or have they got granny out in the garden turning the wheel of a home-made electricity generator to watch telly? All I see are a bunch of fuzzy, well-intentioned but naive people clustered round a dining table in Abbots Langley once a week, probably knocking back a few glasses of vino and wondering how they can spend this money they've been given on producing boring posters in bad English that nobody will bother to read! Roy Stockdill
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8:45am Wed 27 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Liberal Alex,

do you have any proof or sources that people who oppose the religious fervour of the climate change church are either right-wingers or loony?

It might be that they do not like being ripped off giving subsidies to green power that is pretty ineffective and very costly and all the other green taxes they have to pay. It could just be common sense.

I would say that man-made climate change is unproven and littered with assumptions based on wishful thinking.

The fact it used to be called global warming, we were told snow would be a thing of the past in the UK by now, etc etc, showed the previous thinking on global warming to be fatally flawed, along with the scandal of East Anglia University making it all up and hiding the research that disagreed with the church of global warming.

If they said it would get hotter, it got colder and embarrassed them all.

Now it is called climate change, so any freakish weather can be called as evidence of man-made climate change, whether it gets hotter or colder, all bases are covered. It's the equivalent of "heads I win, tails you lose" and I never thought that was fair when I was a child so I am not going to fall for it now.

Transition Towns is a pressure group. Why are we funding them from taxes?

Will you and the other councillors also fund climate sceptic groups if they ask for a grant or are you only backing one side of the argument?
Liberal Alex, do you have any proof or sources that people who oppose the religious fervour of the climate change church are either right-wingers or loony? It might be that they do not like being ripped off giving subsidies to green power that is pretty ineffective and very costly and all the other green taxes they have to pay. It could just be common sense. I would say that man-made climate change is unproven and littered with assumptions based on wishful thinking. The fact it used to be called global warming, we were told snow would be a thing of the past in the UK by now, etc etc, showed the previous thinking on global warming to be fatally flawed, along with the scandal of East Anglia University making it all up and hiding the research that disagreed with the church of global warming. If they said it would get hotter, it got colder and embarrassed them all. Now it is called climate change, so any freakish weather can be called as evidence of man-made climate change, whether it gets hotter or colder, all bases are covered. It's the equivalent of "heads I win, tails you lose" and I never thought that was fair when I was a child so I am not going to fall for it now. Transition Towns is a pressure group. Why are we funding them from taxes? Will you and the other councillors also fund climate sceptic groups if they ask for a grant or are you only backing one side of the argument? MarsLander
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8:48am Wed 27 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;'Transition towns' according to the world wide web, is about building local resilience to diminishing resources through promoting energy efficiency and local renewable energy production. Given that two of the most serious challenges facing us are climate change and peak oil, every penny spent on delivering energy efficiency schemes and non-fossil fuel power is highly valuable.&lt;

Oh dear, why do all politically correct Lefties have to speak and write in this appalling jargon? Can't anyone communicate in plain, simple English any more?

The very term &quot;transition towns" is just another piece of meaningless PC gobbledegook dreamed up by some Guardian-reading barmpot in a woolly hat to make other no doubt well-meaning people feel warm and fuzzy inside and give them a glow of self righteousness that they are "saving the world".

Can anyone actually tell me what they are physically doing, literally, in their own homes and their own lives to achieve this high-sounding but meaningless "mission statement"? Are they all riding recyclable cardboard bicycles, are they all running the car on chicken s * * t or have they got granny out in the garden turning the wheel of a home-made electricity generator to watch telly?

All I see are a bunch of fuzzy, well-intentioned but naive people clustered round a dining table in Abbots Langley once a week, probably knocking back a few glasses of vino and wondering how they can spend this money they've been given on producing boring posters in bad English that nobody will bother to read!
Roy,

you are probably so close to the truth.

They are no use to man nor beast, so the council funds them with our taxes to achieve what?

It sickens me that money is wasted in this fashion.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >'Transition towns' according to the world wide web, is about building local resilience to diminishing resources through promoting energy efficiency and local renewable energy production. Given that two of the most serious challenges facing us are climate change and peak oil, every penny spent on delivering energy efficiency schemes and non-fossil fuel power is highly valuable.< Oh dear, why do all politically correct Lefties have to speak and write in this appalling jargon? Can't anyone communicate in plain, simple English any more? The very term "transition towns" is just another piece of meaningless PC gobbledegook dreamed up by some Guardian-reading barmpot in a woolly hat to make other no doubt well-meaning people feel warm and fuzzy inside and give them a glow of self righteousness that they are "saving the world". Can anyone actually tell me what they are physically doing, literally, in their own homes and their own lives to achieve this high-sounding but meaningless "mission statement"? Are they all riding recyclable cardboard bicycles, are they all running the car on chicken s * * t or have they got granny out in the garden turning the wheel of a home-made electricity generator to watch telly? All I see are a bunch of fuzzy, well-intentioned but naive people clustered round a dining table in Abbots Langley once a week, probably knocking back a few glasses of vino and wondering how they can spend this money they've been given on producing boring posters in bad English that nobody will bother to read![/p][/quote]Roy, you are probably so close to the truth. They are no use to man nor beast, so the council funds them with our taxes to achieve what? It sickens me that money is wasted in this fashion. MarsLander
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8:55am Wed 27 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Excellent points, MarsLander.

Of course we sceptics wouldn't be considered for a grant out of public money to oppose the climate change industry because we won't conform to the view of the Orwellian Thought Police, thus we are regarded as heretics.

Climate change fanatics are the 21st century equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition, dedicated to destroying anyone who dares to oppose them.
Excellent points, MarsLander. Of course we sceptics wouldn't be considered for a grant out of public money to oppose the climate change industry because we won't conform to the view of the Orwellian Thought Police, thus we are regarded as heretics. Climate change fanatics are the 21st century equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition, dedicated to destroying anyone who dares to oppose them. Roy Stockdill
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9:08am Wed 27 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Excellent points, MarsLander.

Of course we sceptics wouldn't be considered for a grant out of public money to oppose the climate change industry because we won't conform to the view of the Orwellian Thought Police, thus we are regarded as heretics.

Climate change fanatics are the 21st century equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition, dedicated to destroying anyone who dares to oppose them.
Spot on Roy.

You only have to look at the casual throw-away insults from Liberal Alex, dismissing us all as loonies purely because we dare to question his viewpoint.

I saw Peter Jeffree call west watford protesters NIMBYs just because they had the audacity to try to save their (PROTECTED BY LAW) allotments.

A long time ago I used to think Liberals were quite decent people. It's clear they have some strange and unpleasant protagonists in their midst.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Excellent points, MarsLander. Of course we sceptics wouldn't be considered for a grant out of public money to oppose the climate change industry because we won't conform to the view of the Orwellian Thought Police, thus we are regarded as heretics. Climate change fanatics are the 21st century equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition, dedicated to destroying anyone who dares to oppose them.[/p][/quote]Spot on Roy. You only have to look at the casual throw-away insults from Liberal Alex, dismissing us all as loonies purely because we dare to question his viewpoint. I saw Peter Jeffree call west watford protesters NIMBYs just because they had the audacity to try to save their (PROTECTED BY LAW) allotments. A long time ago I used to think Liberals were quite decent people. It's clear they have some strange and unpleasant protagonists in their midst. MarsLander
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9:09am Wed 27 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

Rennard and Huhne nationally, Jeffree, Sharpe, Thornhill, Liberal Alex locally, to name but a few.
Rennard and Huhne nationally, Jeffree, Sharpe, Thornhill, Liberal Alex locally, to name but a few. MarsLander
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11:11am Wed 27 Feb 13

garston tony says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
We don't have to deal with people or a group, Tony, to spot naivety at a thousand yards!
And how naïve as well as ignorant to pass judgement on something you know nothing of. I know that is practically your hobby on this site Roy but it doesn’t make it right!
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: We don't have to deal with people or a group, Tony, to spot naivety at a thousand yards![/p][/quote]And how naïve as well as ignorant to pass judgement on something you know nothing of. I know that is practically your hobby on this site Roy but it doesn’t make it right! garston tony
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1:31pm Wed 27 Feb 13

LSC says...

Well, I know a bit about it. And you, for one, are always quick to scream THEORY at me Tony.
MarsLanders question is a very fair one. Why are our taxes being spent to publicise a theory? Not to research it, to publicise it.
That is wrong on every level. I thought you of all people would see that.
Well, I know a bit about it. And you, for one, are always quick to scream THEORY at me Tony. MarsLanders question is a very fair one. Why are our taxes being spent to publicise a theory? Not to research it, to publicise it. That is wrong on every level. I thought you of all people would see that. LSC
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1:52pm Wed 27 Feb 13

garston tony says...

And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that?
And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that? garston tony
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1:59pm Wed 27 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

garston tony wrote:
And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that?
Based on what I know of them, I would say 100%.

Next time they come round with the begging bowl, tell them where to stuff it!
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that?[/p][/quote]Based on what I know of them, I would say 100%. Next time they come round with the begging bowl, tell them where to stuff it! MarsLander
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3:12pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Once again, Tony, you miss the point. We are not condemning the Abbots Langley Transition Town Association for what they believe and what they want to do about it. That is their right, however naive we may find them.

What we do object is that THEY ARE BEING GIVEN PUBLIC MONEY to do it! Can you really not see and understand that these are two entirely different things?

Even you, I imagine, would agree that MarsLander, LSC and myself are not the only three people in the world who are sceptics about climate change. There is a body of scientific opinion opposed to it and yet, as I have said, those of us who are sceptics are being treated virtually as heretics and holocaust deniers. We are victims of the Orwellian Thought Police working on behalf of the climate change industry which is getting a lot of money for research - and therefore there is considerable pressure to deny anyone who opposes their views a voice.

If the three of us decided to set up a committee to present the public with the alternative view and asked for a council grant to help us with the presentation of publicity material, venue hire and talks, do you think we would get a single penny? No, don't bother to answer that!

As I have said earlier, the whole climate change industry has become virtually a religion and anyone who tries to speak out against it must be silenced - rather like the Spanish Inquisition. And I always at least thought you were a democrat who could allow both sides of an argument to be present.
Once again, Tony, you miss the point. We are not condemning the Abbots Langley Transition Town Association for what they believe and what they want to do about it. That is their right, however naive we may find them. What we do object is that THEY ARE BEING GIVEN PUBLIC MONEY to do it! Can you really not see and understand that these are two entirely different things? Even you, I imagine, would agree that MarsLander, LSC and myself are not the only three people in the world who are sceptics about climate change. There is a body of scientific opinion opposed to it and yet, as I have said, those of us who are sceptics are being treated virtually as heretics and holocaust deniers. We are victims of the Orwellian Thought Police working on behalf of the climate change industry which is getting a lot of money for research - and therefore there is considerable pressure to deny anyone who opposes their views a voice. If the three of us decided to set up a committee to present the public with the alternative view and asked for a council grant to help us with the presentation of publicity material, venue hire and talks, do you think we would get a single penny? No, don't bother to answer that! As I have said earlier, the whole climate change industry has become virtually a religion and anyone who tries to speak out against it must be silenced - rather like the Spanish Inquisition. And I always at least thought you were a democrat who could allow both sides of an argument to be present. Roy Stockdill
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5:55pm Wed 27 Feb 13

LSC says...

garston tony wrote:
And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that?
Tony, if it is wrong to condemn them because we don't know them, then it is surely wrong to give them our money for exactly the same reason.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that?[/p][/quote]Tony, if it is wrong to condemn them because we don't know them, then it is surely wrong to give them our money for exactly the same reason. LSC
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6:16pm Wed 27 Feb 13

MarsLander says...

A fool and his money are easily parted.

It's a shame the councillors through this locality grant scheme are acting the fool with our money!

Elections in May. I will make sure I cast a vote against the sitting councillor. It's one of the few messages I can send that will be listened to.
A fool and his money are easily parted. It's a shame the councillors through this locality grant scheme are acting the fool with our money! Elections in May. I will make sure I cast a vote against the sitting councillor. It's one of the few messages I can send that will be listened to. MarsLander
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1:47pm Thu 28 Feb 13

garston tony says...

LSC wrote:
garston tony wrote: And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that?
Tony, if it is wrong to condemn them because we don't know them, then it is surely wrong to give them our money for exactly the same reason.
There is a process for applying for a grant and it is for the councillor to get to the know the organisation and to then decide on their merits. The cllr's have to justify how they distributed the funds and I doubt they give money to organisations they nothing about
[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: And you should also remember LSC that I also call for people to make informed opinions on subjects. None of you know this group yet you all want to condem them, how right is that?[/p][/quote]Tony, if it is wrong to condemn them because we don't know them, then it is surely wrong to give them our money for exactly the same reason.[/p][/quote]There is a process for applying for a grant and it is for the councillor to get to the know the organisation and to then decide on their merits. The cllr's have to justify how they distributed the funds and I doubt they give money to organisations they nothing about garston tony
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1:57pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Bobbio says...

Perhaps as well as letting councillors know our feelings it would be worth contributors to this page contacting their MPs with a copy of this long conversation and asking their MPs to repeal the infamous Climate change Act. It will not get immediate action but it will put the pressure on.
Perhaps as well as letting councillors know our feelings it would be worth contributors to this page contacting their MPs with a copy of this long conversation and asking their MPs to repeal the infamous Climate change Act. It will not get immediate action but it will put the pressure on. Bobbio
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