Radlett rail freight: 'We should all stand united against these plans' (From Watford Observer)

Its new jobs, in a time of recession, badly need new jobs

Vicar*o*rage wrote:
Its new jobs, in a time of recession, badly need new jobs

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Fine if there will be a school, GP surgery and other amenities built for the extra people it will attract. Pretty ignorant to think jobs alone will cure societies issues. Look at the whole book, not just the biggest picture within it. That should apply to ALL major developments like this. Nothing should be signed off unless plans include these necessities.

Why would it need any of those things? They're not building homes, they're building warehouses! Unless there are masses of empty properties in the surrounding area then I can't see why amenities should be lumped into this.

mr_jrt wrote:
Why would it need any of those things? They're not building homes, they're building warehouses! Unless there are masses of empty properties in the surrounding area then I can't see why amenities should be lumped into this.

Pretty naive to think it will be local jobs for local people. Sure someone mentioned 1,000 positions at more than likely the majority of them paid at around national minimum wage. Don't think people will be driving in from miles around on already saturated roads with the current costs of fuel, it will need houses that rent by the room, just like everywhere else in the uk.

...and if they're living in homes that already exist and currently have people living in them, then there's no great increase in population requiring more amenities...

Wow what a great idea for the area, it will create extra taxes for the area and a extra jobs in an area that needs upgrading and extra low grade jobs with places in Watford and Hemel shutting down.

The only people who wont want this to happen will be rich and middle class people so the more they moan the more likely it will happen, happy days.

mr_jrt wrote:
...and if they're living in homes that already exist and currently have people living in them, then there's no great increase in population requiring more amenities...

Mr_jrt, I really hope you are correct, but the cynic in me is saying it could be different.

The world has changed in the last 30 years, jobs have been outsourced or casualised and brought down to the lowest common denominator. Big businesses like these will only pay employees the legally what they can get away with (some also may be successful in avoiding corporate tax), with the minimum of terms and conditions. Successful canididates that get minimum wage jobs for sure will stop getting unemployment benefit, but more than likely will be migrated onto another benefit to top up the minimum wage.

Those on minimum wage, surely cannot afford to put away for a private pension, which they will rely on the state again at retirement age, taking more money out of central funds.

I would expect a fair share of applicants for these jobs will be taken by economic migrants from the EU and further afield who (and I would be doing the exact same in their situation), electronicaly wire money back to their families in their homeland (pretty certain there was a story on this a few weeks ago, with western union announcing record transactions out from the UK). Now this is money that is NOT spent within our economy, which the poster above hasn't cottoned on to.

If we are saturating the UK with these type of "McJobs", I cannot see it helping us one iota with our economy and returning the "A" to our "AAA" status.

We require a return to manufacturing, trades and apprenticeships with a micro managed financal sector.

Either that or we need to change our whole economic process to suit our "McJobs" sector.

Sorry for taking this off the main topic, but I feel I needed to try and explain how my original post came about :)

As a father of a school aged child, I hope that there will be oppertunities for him to put his academic skills to use. I can only hope so.....

'Politicians' should really get to know what they are talking about before throwing their toys out of the pram. Was the old aerodrome quiet and unpopulated when it was there? Do the many Trading Estates now on Park Street function without noise or traffic? Or are some people trying to foister their virtual world on us?

theturpster wrote:

mr_jrt wrote:
...and if they're living in homes that already exist and currently have people living in them, then there's no great increase in population requiring more amenities...

Mr_jrt, I really hope you are correct, but the cynic in me is saying it could be different.

The world has changed in the last 30 years, jobs have been outsourced or casualised and brought down to the lowest common denominator. Big businesses like these will only pay employees the legally what they can get away with (some also may be successful in avoiding corporate tax), with the minimum of terms and conditions. Successful canididates that get minimum wage jobs for sure will stop getting unemployment benefit, but more than likely will be migrated onto another benefit to top up the minimum wage.

Those on minimum wage, surely cannot afford to put away for a private pension, which they will rely on the state again at retirement age, taking more money out of central funds.

I would expect a fair share of applicants for these jobs will be taken by economic migrants from the EU and further afield who (and I would be doing the exact same in their situation), electronicaly wire money back to their families in their homeland (pretty certain there was a story on this a few weeks ago, with western union announcing record transactions out from the UK). Now this is money that is NOT spent within our economy, which the poster above hasn't cottoned on to.

If we are saturating the UK with these type of "McJobs", I cannot see it helping us one iota with our economy and returning the "A" to our "AAA" status.

We require a return to manufacturing, trades and apprenticeships with a micro managed financal sector.

Either that or we need to change our whole economic process to suit our "McJobs" sector.

Sorry for taking this off the main topic, but I feel I needed to try and explain how my original post came about :)

As a father of a school aged child, I hope that there will be oppertunities for him to put his academic skills to use. I can only hope so.....

You all sound like you have your head in the clouds.

No your children wont get opperunities to use there education because if they do they will be to expensive to employ, thats why we out source to India China etc.

I left school at 15/16 spent 5 years partying now I earn 45K a year, I did that with hard work, cleaning toilets, buying and selling tat, working 90 hour weeks, education is usless in this contry, I don't employ people who have been to univerity no one does anymore.

^ I would guess that from that brief story you left school circa late 80's as I done exactly the same thing, left school with a handful of results at 16, straight into a YTS scheme, and spent near on two decades (with some partying in-between), learning about the complete company, managing people and projects etc. Experience is king, I have in the past met some direct graduate employees who were very nice people, but they weren't very capable of adapting to a fast paced working environment and quickly left. Other side of the coin is that some do not adjust to mainstream education and learn better from hands on experience, hence why in my previous post we need to bring back trades and apprenticeships to engage everyone. My hobbies and experience have now brought me into IT managing servers and networks in schools. When I was at school we had only 10 BBC micros. My how things have changed lol.