Bilderberg organisers agree to help cover cost of security at The Grove hotel meeting

The organisers of the Bilderberg Meeting will help cover the cost of policing their upcoming meeting in The Grove.

The secretive summit in the Watford hotel from June 6 to June 9 will see around 140 of the world’s most influential figures including leading politicians, captains of industry and respected academics descend on the Hempstead Road hotel.

Hertfordshire Constabulary declined to provide a figure for either the total cost of policing the event - which is also expected to attract hundreds of demonstrators - or the contribution from the Bilderberg Group.

Funding will also be sought from other sources, and representatives from the force are currently in talks with the Home Office.

However, a spokesman confirmed the organisers had appointed a private security firm to work inside the venue while police will keep the peace outside.

A police spokesman said: "Hertfordshire Constabulary has a duty to prevent crime, maintain the Queen’s Peace, protect the public and prevent damage to property.

"The organisers of the event are paying for a private security firm who will be providing security at the venue. "In addition, the organisers have agreed to contribute towards policing costs relating to the event.

"As we do not disclose the costs of operations prior to their event, we will not disclose the amounts at this stage."

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5:10pm Tue 21 May 13

factfinding says...

do the people who are protesting this even know why they are protesting? It just sounds like a meeting of business leaders and other important people. Fair enough it smacks of an 'old boys' network, and the concept of hundreds of billionaires converging on Watford isn't palatable to some, but is this really something that people should protest about?

Also the protest itself is the reason why policing fees have greatly increased- just in case one of these conspiracy theorists decides to try to make a name for himself. Saying the protest is about policing fees is completely illogical.
do the people who are protesting this even know why they are protesting? It just sounds like a meeting of business leaders and other important people. Fair enough it smacks of an 'old boys' network, and the concept of hundreds of billionaires converging on Watford isn't palatable to some, but is this really something that people should protest about? Also the protest itself is the reason why policing fees have greatly increased- just in case one of these conspiracy theorists decides to try to make a name for himself. Saying the protest is about policing fees is completely illogical. factfinding
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6:06pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Nonsense, Bilderberg are the real power behind the phoney left /right paradigm.

Just do a bit of research and it becomes abundantly obvious that these people are trying to run the world from the shadows.

They act ONLY for their own interests, they represent modern day eugenics, fascism, and/or corporatism.

Tony Gosling (X BBC) has an excellent site dedicated to this subject.

http://www.bilderber
g.org/tonyhom.htm


Check it out, learn the truth.
Nonsense, Bilderberg are the real power behind the phoney left /right paradigm. Just do a bit of research and it becomes abundantly obvious that these people are trying to run the world from the shadows. They act ONLY for their own interests, they represent modern day eugenics, fascism, and/or corporatism. Tony Gosling (X BBC) has an excellent site dedicated to this subject. http://www.bilderber g.org/tonyhom.htm Check it out, learn the truth. bilderbergsucks
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6:14pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

factfinding wrote:
do the people who are protesting this even know why they are protesting? It just sounds like a meeting of business leaders and other important people. Fair enough it smacks of an 'old boys' network, and the concept of hundreds of billionaires converging on Watford isn't palatable to some, but is this really something that people should protest about?

Also the protest itself is the reason why policing fees have greatly increased- just in case one of these conspiracy theorists decides to try to make a name for himself. Saying the protest is about policing fees is completely illogical.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take away that power, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear — as they ought to in order to make this a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let them continue to create deposits.”
Sir Josiah Stamp (1880-1941), one time governor of the Bank of England, in his Commencement Address at the University of Texas in 1927. Reportedly he was the second wealthiest individual in Britain.
[quote][p][bold]factfinding[/bold] wrote: do the people who are protesting this even know why they are protesting? It just sounds like a meeting of business leaders and other important people. Fair enough it smacks of an 'old boys' network, and the concept of hundreds of billionaires converging on Watford isn't palatable to some, but is this really something that people should protest about? Also the protest itself is the reason why policing fees have greatly increased- just in case one of these conspiracy theorists decides to try to make a name for himself. Saying the protest is about policing fees is completely illogical.[/p][/quote]"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take away that power, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear — as they ought to in order to make this a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let them continue to create deposits.” Sir Josiah Stamp (1880-1941), one time governor of the Bank of England, in his Commencement Address at the University of Texas in 1927. Reportedly he was the second wealthiest individual in Britain. bilderbergsucks
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6:26pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

This film explains the mentality of the Bilderberg steering Committee.

Bear in mind The Corporation is a bit out of date, things are far worse now, then when it was originally made.

The Corporation (2003)

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=KMNZXV7jO
G0
This film explains the mentality of the Bilderberg steering Committee. Bear in mind The Corporation is a bit out of date, things are far worse now, then when it was originally made. The Corporation (2003) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=KMNZXV7jO G0 bilderbergsucks
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6:28pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Here's another that is relevant to the Bilberberg globalist gang bang..

THRIVE: What On Earth Will It Take?

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ
-s
Here's another that is relevant to the Bilberberg globalist gang bang.. THRIVE: What On Earth Will It Take? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ -s bilderbergsucks
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6:32pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Tony has had an interest in Bilderberg long before it became fashionable to acknowledge the event..



Bilderberg 2013 : Tony Gosling Interview

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=sa1P5-cIL
M4
Tony has had an interest in Bilderberg long before it became fashionable to acknowledge the event.. Bilderberg 2013 : Tony Gosling Interview http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=sa1P5-cIL M4 bilderbergsucks
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6:36pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

UK Independence Party Draws Attention To Bilderberg 2013


The question what exactly is discussed at Bilderberg should be a concern to both the left and the right

Jurriaan Maessen

Video

http://www.infowars.
com/uk-independence-
party-draws-attentio
n-to-bilderberg-2013
/
UK Independence Party Draws Attention To Bilderberg 2013 The question what exactly is discussed at Bilderberg should be a concern to both the left and the right Jurriaan Maessen Video http://www.infowars. com/uk-independence- party-draws-attentio n-to-bilderberg-2013 / bilderbergsucks
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6:40pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

This Chart Shows The Bilderberg Group's Connection To Everything In The World


The Bilderberg Group is 120-140 powerful people who meet each year to discuss policy. The meetings are closed to the public.

This graph we found on Facebook shows the members' connections to a ton of corporations, charities, policy groups and media. Everyone from Eric Schmidt to George Soros is a member. There are tons of conspiracy theories about the group, including that they control the world economy.

We took the findings with a grain of salt--after all, it's easy to trace an individual to a corporation and the graph doesn't specify what influence the member wielded.

But perhaps it's a compelling argument for why the meetings should be public


Read more: http://www.businessi
nsider.com/this-char
t-shows-the-bilderbe
rg-groups-connection
-to-everything-in-th
e-world-2012-6#ixzz2
Twxq5cHp
This Chart Shows The Bilderberg Group's Connection To Everything In The World The Bilderberg Group is 120-140 powerful people who meet each year to discuss policy. The meetings are closed to the public. This graph we found on Facebook shows the members' connections to a ton of corporations, charities, policy groups and media. Everyone from Eric Schmidt to George Soros is a member. There are tons of conspiracy theories about the group, including that they control the world economy. We took the findings with a grain of salt--after all, it's easy to trace an individual to a corporation and the graph doesn't specify what influence the member wielded. But perhaps it's a compelling argument for why the meetings should be public Read more: http://www.businessi nsider.com/this-char t-shows-the-bilderbe rg-groups-connection -to-everything-in-th e-world-2012-6#ixzz2 Twxq5cHp bilderbergsucks
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6:43pm Tue 21 May 13

E.Coli says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
This Chart Shows The Bilderberg Group's Connection To Everything In The World


The Bilderberg Group is 120-140 powerful people who meet each year to discuss policy. The meetings are closed to the public.

This graph we found on Facebook shows the members' connections to a ton of corporations, charities, policy groups and media. Everyone from Eric Schmidt to George Soros is a member. There are tons of conspiracy theories about the group, including that they control the world economy.

We took the findings with a grain of salt--after all, it's easy to trace an individual to a corporation and the graph doesn't specify what influence the member wielded.

But perhaps it's a compelling argument for why the meetings should be public


Read more: http://www.businessi

nsider.com/this-char

t-shows-the-bilderbe

rg-groups-connection

-to-everything-in-th

e-world-2012-6#ixzz2

Twxq5cHp
boring
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: This Chart Shows The Bilderberg Group's Connection To Everything In The World The Bilderberg Group is 120-140 powerful people who meet each year to discuss policy. The meetings are closed to the public. This graph we found on Facebook shows the members' connections to a ton of corporations, charities, policy groups and media. Everyone from Eric Schmidt to George Soros is a member. There are tons of conspiracy theories about the group, including that they control the world economy. We took the findings with a grain of salt--after all, it's easy to trace an individual to a corporation and the graph doesn't specify what influence the member wielded. But perhaps it's a compelling argument for why the meetings should be public Read more: http://www.businessi nsider.com/this-char t-shows-the-bilderbe rg-groups-connection -to-everything-in-th e-world-2012-6#ixzz2 Twxq5cHp[/p][/quote]boring E.Coli
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6:44pm Tue 21 May 13

E.Coli says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
This Chart Shows The Bilderberg Group's Connection To Everything In The World


The Bilderberg Group is 120-140 powerful people who meet each year to discuss policy. The meetings are closed to the public.

This graph we found on Facebook shows the members' connections to a ton of corporations, charities, policy groups and media. Everyone from Eric Schmidt to George Soros is a member. There are tons of conspiracy theories about the group, including that they control the world economy.

We took the findings with a grain of salt--after all, it's easy to trace an individual to a corporation and the graph doesn't specify what influence the member wielded.

But perhaps it's a compelling argument for why the meetings should be public


Read more: http://www.businessi

nsider.com/this-char

t-shows-the-bilderbe

rg-groups-connection

-to-everything-in-th

e-world-2012-6#ixzz2

Twxq5cHp
why not set fire to your self as a protest
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: This Chart Shows The Bilderberg Group's Connection To Everything In The World The Bilderberg Group is 120-140 powerful people who meet each year to discuss policy. The meetings are closed to the public. This graph we found on Facebook shows the members' connections to a ton of corporations, charities, policy groups and media. Everyone from Eric Schmidt to George Soros is a member. There are tons of conspiracy theories about the group, including that they control the world economy. We took the findings with a grain of salt--after all, it's easy to trace an individual to a corporation and the graph doesn't specify what influence the member wielded. But perhaps it's a compelling argument for why the meetings should be public Read more: http://www.businessi nsider.com/this-char t-shows-the-bilderbe rg-groups-connection -to-everything-in-th e-world-2012-6#ixzz2 Twxq5cHp[/p][/quote]why not set fire to your self as a protest E.Coli
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6:53pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Italian Prosecutor Implicates Bilderberg Group and CIA for Massacres in Italy During the Seventies and Eighties
Ferdinando Imposimato

Andrew Puhanic, Contributor
Activist Post


The Bilderberg Group has now been directly implicated for the murder of Italian activists during the seventies and eighties.

According to Ferdinando Imposimato, a former prosecutor that investigated the Italian Mafia who is also an honorary president of the Italian Supreme Court, during a speech he delivered at a book launch revealed for the first time that the Bilderberg Group were responsible for massacres of political activists during the seventies and eighties in Italy.


http://www.activistp
ost.com/2013/01/ital
ian-prosecutor-impli
cates.html
Italian Prosecutor Implicates Bilderberg Group and CIA for Massacres in Italy During the Seventies and Eighties Ferdinando Imposimato Andrew Puhanic, Contributor Activist Post The Bilderberg Group has now been directly implicated for the murder of Italian activists during the seventies and eighties. According to Ferdinando Imposimato, a former prosecutor that investigated the Italian Mafia who is also an honorary president of the Italian Supreme Court, during a speech he delivered at a book launch revealed for the first time that the Bilderberg Group were responsible for massacres of political activists during the seventies and eighties in Italy. http://www.activistp ost.com/2013/01/ital ian-prosecutor-impli cates.html bilderbergsucks
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7:00pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

"boring"

"why not set fire to your self as a protest"


Is that all you got, fecal cell?
I've got 3000 links about Bilderberg.

I've done the research. What have you ever done other then trolling?
"boring" "why not set fire to your self as a protest" Is that all you got, fecal cell? I've got 3000 links about Bilderberg. I've done the research. What have you ever done other then trolling? bilderbergsucks
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7:02pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

War Criminal Henry Kissinger confronted on Bilderberg and Mass Murder -We Are Change

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=BemzWK5qB
Tk&feature=player_em
bedded
War Criminal Henry Kissinger confronted on Bilderberg and Mass Murder -We Are Change http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=BemzWK5qB Tk&feature=player_em bedded bilderbergsucks
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7:04pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Bilderberg behind the new world order?

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=wgxR5a_JH
2s&feature=player_em
bedded
Bilderberg behind the new world order? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=wgxR5a_JH 2s&feature=player_em bedded bilderbergsucks
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7:05pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Bilderberg 2012 Power Elites Plot in Secrecy

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=5cSPXcT9t
p4&feature=player_em
bedded
Bilderberg 2012 Power Elites Plot in Secrecy http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=5cSPXcT9t p4&feature=player_em bedded bilderbergsucks
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7:05pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Bilderberg: the covert globalist government?

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?feature=pla
yer_embedded&v=K3l0W
kQe4JE
Bilderberg: the covert globalist government? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_embedded&v=K3l0W kQe4JE bilderbergsucks
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7:10pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

WeAreChange Proves Tony Blair Lied To Parliament About Bilderberg

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?feature=pla
yer_embedded&v=sQf2-
3EiAxs
WeAreChange Proves Tony Blair Lied To Parliament About Bilderberg http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_embedded&v=sQf2- 3EiAxs bilderbergsucks
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7:12pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

The Rockefeller World Order and the "High Priests of Globalization"

by Andrew Gavin Marshall



To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing.

- Denis Healey, 30-year member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg Group

The ‘Foundations’ of the Bilderberg Group

http://www.globalres
earch.ca/index.php?c
ontext=va&aid=25302
The Rockefeller World Order and the "High Priests of Globalization" by Andrew Gavin Marshall To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing.[1] - Denis Healey, 30-year member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg Group The ‘Foundations’ of the Bilderberg Group http://www.globalres earch.ca/index.php?c ontext=va&aid=25302 bilderbergsucks
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7:14pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Joseph Stiglitz on The Federal Reserve and Bilderberg Group

http://maxkeiser.com
/2011/10/05/joseph-s
tiglitz-on-the-feder
al-reserve-and-bilde
rberg-group/
Joseph Stiglitz on The Federal Reserve and Bilderberg Group http://maxkeiser.com /2011/10/05/joseph-s tiglitz-on-the-feder al-reserve-and-bilde rberg-group/ bilderbergsucks
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7:19pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Conspiracy of Silence: Who are the Bilderberg Group?

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=LPIBWB9ZK
EI&feature=channel
Conspiracy of Silence: Who are the Bilderberg Group? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=LPIBWB9ZK EI&feature=channel bilderbergsucks
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7:23pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Telegraph: Bilderberg Group Founder ‘Was Member of Nazi Party’

Dutch Prince Bernhard 'was member of Nazi party'

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/worldnew
s/europe/netherlands
/7377402/Dutch-Princ
e-Bernhard-was-membe
r-of-Nazi-party.html
Telegraph: Bilderberg Group Founder ‘Was Member of Nazi Party’ Dutch Prince Bernhard 'was member of Nazi party' http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/europe/netherlands /7377402/Dutch-Princ e-Bernhard-was-membe r-of-Nazi-party.html bilderbergsucks
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7:34pm Tue 21 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

There's a lot of information about the Bilderberg group available on the net.

The mass media ignored them for 50 years, even when their representatives attended, and when they finally did report on it, they claimed (like the first post here) that the organisation is benign.

That is simply not true

Hence these posts..
There's a lot of information about the Bilderberg group available on the net. The mass media ignored them for 50 years, even when their representatives attended, and when they finally did report on it, they claimed (like the first post here) that the organisation is benign. That is simply not true Hence these posts.. bilderbergsucks
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8:07pm Tue 21 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Don't get me wrong I am opposed to the Bilderberg elite failed austerity and the growing inequality in the world; but kind of would like to be among people that are not swivel eyed nationalists, whackpot Freedom parties, UKIPpers, religious nuts, general fruitcakes, alien conspiracy theorists, could you please delve among your 3K links to find some on these issues, ones that actually are doing great damage today.
Don't get me wrong I am opposed to the Bilderberg elite failed austerity and the growing inequality in the world; but kind of would like to be among people that are not swivel eyed nationalists, whackpot Freedom parties, UKIPpers, religious nuts, general fruitcakes, alien conspiracy theorists, could you please delve among your 3K links to find some on these issues, ones that actually are doing great damage today. dontknowynot
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9:57pm Tue 21 May 13

LSC says...

*Waves to the nutters*
How was your day?
*Waves to the nutters* How was your day? LSC
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6:55am Wed 22 May 13

Watfordb&b says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
"boring"

"why not set fire to your self as a protest"


Is that all you got, fecal cell?
I've got 3000 links about Bilderberg.

I've done the research. What have you ever done other then trolling?
Wow! 3000 links!!
Including "Aliens mowed my lawn"
"World War 2 bomber found on the moon"
I have a pair of cuff links. You are welcome to them. 3001 links....
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: "boring" "why not set fire to your self as a protest" Is that all you got, fecal cell? I've got 3000 links about Bilderberg. I've done the research. What have you ever done other then trolling?[/p][/quote]Wow! 3000 links!! Including "Aliens mowed my lawn" "World War 2 bomber found on the moon" I have a pair of cuff links. You are welcome to them. 3001 links.... Watfordb&b
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7:32am Wed 22 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Watfordb&b wrote:
bilderbergsucks wrote:
"boring"

"why not set fire to your self as a protest"


Is that all you got, fecal cell?
I've got 3000 links about Bilderberg.

I've done the research. What have you ever done other then trolling?
Wow! 3000 links!!
Including "Aliens mowed my lawn"
"World War 2 bomber found on the moon"
I have a pair of cuff links. You are welcome to them. 3001 links....
its a pair that would be 3002
I am sure there are good reasons to protest Inequality and Bilderberg role in it but the links posted to date do not reflect this.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordb&b[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: "boring" "why not set fire to your self as a protest" Is that all you got, fecal cell? I've got 3000 links about Bilderberg. I've done the research. What have you ever done other then trolling?[/p][/quote]Wow! 3000 links!! Including "Aliens mowed my lawn" "World War 2 bomber found on the moon" I have a pair of cuff links. You are welcome to them. 3001 links....[/p][/quote]its a pair that would be 3002 I am sure there are good reasons to protest Inequality and Bilderberg role in it but the links posted to date do not reflect this. dontknowynot
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8:43am Wed 22 May 13

MarsLander says...

Wow, 3000 links and a ton of stuff on conspiracy sites and youtube. I would have thought you have every bit of information you need on Bilderberg by now.

So, what is it you are actually protesting about, O knowledgeable one?

P.S. I bet you are looking forward to that talk by David Icke, he really knows his stuff and you would never believe the stuff he knows about the world that no-one else knows. Amazing, really, totally unbelievable!

Watch out for lizards, I understand from David that they eat fruitcakes. You are all in grave danger!
Wow, 3000 links and a ton of stuff on conspiracy sites and youtube. I would have thought you have every bit of information you need on Bilderberg by now. So, what is it you are actually protesting about, O knowledgeable one? P.S. I bet you are looking forward to that talk by David Icke, he really knows his stuff and you would never believe the stuff he knows about the world that no-one else knows. Amazing, really, totally unbelievable! Watch out for lizards, I understand from David that they eat fruitcakes. You are all in grave danger! MarsLander
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9:20am Wed 22 May 13

John Dowdle says...

I think the main point is being missed. What the police and organisers are being coy about is whether or not the organisers of this "shady shindig" will be meeting the policing costs IN FULL.
Can someone - Ben Endley? - follow this matter up so that local taxpayers do not end up having to pay ANY of the policing costs?
The Grove should be chipping in a contribution towards the costs and the mega-rich attenders should also be picking up part of the tab each.
It is my understanding that Watford Football Club meet the costs of policing their matches - presumably in full - so why should the Bilderberg Group be receiving any form of public subsidy?
I think the main point is being missed. What the police and organisers are being coy about is whether or not the organisers of this "shady shindig" will be meeting the policing costs IN FULL. Can someone - Ben Endley? - follow this matter up so that local taxpayers do not end up having to pay ANY of the policing costs? The Grove should be chipping in a contribution towards the costs and the mega-rich attenders should also be picking up part of the tab each. It is my understanding that Watford Football Club meet the costs of policing their matches - presumably in full - so why should the Bilderberg Group be receiving any form of public subsidy? John Dowdle
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9:31am Wed 22 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Years ago I read a book called "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" which claimed that the world was run by descendants of Jesus Christ who formed the Knights of St John. One of them was apparently General de Gaulle.

Dan Brown, I recall, proposed something similar with his book and the film "The Da Vinci Code".

Doncha just love conspiracy theorists? Reading all the posts from bilderbergsucks, one can only come to the conclusion that not all the loonies have yet been locked up.
Years ago I read a book called "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" which claimed that the world was run by descendants of Jesus Christ who formed the Knights of St John. One of them was apparently General de Gaulle. Dan Brown, I recall, proposed something similar with his book and the film "The Da Vinci Code". Doncha just love conspiracy theorists? Reading all the posts from bilderbergsucks, one can only come to the conclusion that not all the loonies have yet been locked up. Roy Stockdill
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9:33am Wed 22 May 13

Harry Caine says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
This film explains the mentality of the Bilderberg steering Committee.

Bear in mind The Corporation is a bit out of date, things are far worse now, then when it was originally made.

The Corporation (2003)

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=KMNZXV7jO

G0
This is a lot shorter and probably gets to the real nitty gritty of what it's all about:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=HP7L8bw5Q
F4
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: This film explains the mentality of the Bilderberg steering Committee. Bear in mind The Corporation is a bit out of date, things are far worse now, then when it was originally made. The Corporation (2003) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=KMNZXV7jO G0[/p][/quote]This is a lot shorter and probably gets to the real nitty gritty of what it's all about: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=HP7L8bw5Q F4 Harry Caine
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9:37am Wed 22 May 13

MarsLander says...

John Dowdle wrote:
I think the main point is being missed. What the police and organisers are being coy about is whether or not the organisers of this "shady shindig" will be meeting the policing costs IN FULL.
Can someone - Ben Endley? - follow this matter up so that local taxpayers do not end up having to pay ANY of the policing costs?
The Grove should be chipping in a contribution towards the costs and the mega-rich attenders should also be picking up part of the tab each.
It is my understanding that Watford Football Club meet the costs of policing their matches - presumably in full - so why should the Bilderberg Group be receiving any form of public subsidy?
Let me answer that for you John.

Football matches are where someone runs a business (a football club), invites thousands of people to come and pay money to attend, some of whom misbehave, and therefore it is reasonable for that business to pay towards the police costs from their profits on matchdays.

Here we have the grove, a hotel of great standing. It has been booked by a group who will cause no crown trouble. They have not invited anyone outside to attend and make no money from them. There will be no trouble from the people at the hotel whatsoever.

A rent-a-mob seem intent on coming to Watford and in all likelihood causing trouble, so the police are required to contain that risk. We pay the police to keep order, it's their job.

If anyone should pay towards the cost of policing it should be the protesters, but of course that is never going to happen.

The fact the Bilderberg group have offered to pay towards the policing is very decent of them, knowing that their very presence attracts nutters like wasps around a jam jar.

So, if we end up with a large bill at the end of it, it is the fault of the protesters, not the law-abiding citizens attending the conference.

I suggest you therefore direct your anger in the right direction, at the irresponsible protesters like Sue Murray and Dontkowmuch and the remnants of the SWP who dress themselves up as different groups nowadays but are still the same loons as before.

I think you will find that I have covered the main point, and it's not the one you had thought it would be.

The Bilderberg group will not be getting any public subsidy, that is absurd to suggest. The police will be expected to do their job, which is completely different.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: I think the main point is being missed. What the police and organisers are being coy about is whether or not the organisers of this "shady shindig" will be meeting the policing costs IN FULL. Can someone - Ben Endley? - follow this matter up so that local taxpayers do not end up having to pay ANY of the policing costs? The Grove should be chipping in a contribution towards the costs and the mega-rich attenders should also be picking up part of the tab each. It is my understanding that Watford Football Club meet the costs of policing their matches - presumably in full - so why should the Bilderberg Group be receiving any form of public subsidy?[/p][/quote]Let me answer that for you John. Football matches are where someone runs a business (a football club), invites thousands of people to come and pay money to attend, some of whom misbehave, and therefore it is reasonable for that business to pay towards the police costs from their profits on matchdays. Here we have the grove, a hotel of great standing. It has been booked by a group who will cause no crown trouble. They have not invited anyone outside to attend and make no money from them. There will be no trouble from the people at the hotel whatsoever. A rent-a-mob seem intent on coming to Watford and in all likelihood causing trouble, so the police are required to contain that risk. We pay the police to keep order, it's their job. If anyone should pay towards the cost of policing it should be the protesters, but of course that is never going to happen. The fact the Bilderberg group have offered to pay towards the policing is very decent of them, knowing that their very presence attracts nutters like wasps around a jam jar. So, if we end up with a large bill at the end of it, it is the fault of the protesters, not the law-abiding citizens attending the conference. I suggest you therefore direct your anger in the right direction, at the irresponsible protesters like Sue Murray and Dontkowmuch and the remnants of the SWP who dress themselves up as different groups nowadays but are still the same loons as before. I think you will find that I have covered the main point, and it's not the one you had thought it would be. The Bilderberg group will not be getting any public subsidy, that is absurd to suggest. The police will be expected to do their job, which is completely different. MarsLander
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9:43am Wed 22 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Notwithstanding the other issues, I agree with John. The costs of protecting this meeting should be paid in full by the Bilderberg Group. Surely they can afford it if they are as rich and powerful as we are being led to believe?

I always worry about private security firms being used to protect anything because they are not always accountable and employ some fairly dodgy people.
Notwithstanding the other issues, I agree with John. The costs of protecting this meeting should be paid in full by the Bilderberg Group. Surely they can afford it if they are as rich and powerful as we are being led to believe? I always worry about private security firms being used to protect anything because they are not always accountable and employ some fairly dodgy people. Roy Stockdill
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9:49am Wed 22 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Marslander my little UKIP devotee:- don't forget to add to that list the BNP nationalists, anti Euro party, swivel eyed UkIPpers and Swedish freedom party.
Marslander my little UKIP devotee:- don't forget to add to that list the BNP nationalists, anti Euro party, swivel eyed UkIPpers and Swedish freedom party. dontknowynot
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9:57am Wed 22 May 13

dontknowynot says...

PS
Marslander My little UKIP devotee;- glad to see you paid attention to my post identifying the Coalition of resistance as the SWP
PS Marslander My little UKIP devotee;- glad to see you paid attention to my post identifying the Coalition of resistance as the SWP dontknowynot
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12:01pm Wed 22 May 13

garston tony says...

Bilderbergsucks, if you do research on the net all you find is one official site, a couple of Wikipedia entries and hundreds and hundreds of conspiracy theorists. Everything from they shot JFK to we're all controlled by aliens (which is very David Ike'esque). I even found accusations made about this group from well BEFORE they even existed! And you're deciding to base your protest on that…. there is little hope for you.

And why do they need to run the world from the shadows when they already run the world day to day. These are top politicians and top business who already openly influence the world, they have no need for any cloak and dagger stuff.

And you quote someone who apparently was a member of this group who said that one of their goals was to end war, and that is a bad thing in your book!!!!!
Bilderbergsucks, if you do research on the net all you find is one official site, a couple of Wikipedia entries and hundreds and hundreds of conspiracy theorists. Everything from they shot JFK to we're all controlled by aliens (which is very David Ike'esque). I even found accusations made about this group from well BEFORE they even existed! And you're deciding to base your protest on that…. there is little hope for you. And why do they need to run the world from the shadows when they already run the world day to day. These are top politicians and top business who already openly influence the world, they have no need for any cloak and dagger stuff. And you quote someone who apparently was a member of this group who said that one of their goals was to end war, and that is a bad thing in your book!!!!! garston tony
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12:02pm Wed 22 May 13

garston tony says...

JD, it’s a chicken and egg thing. Some of the protesters are up in arms about the policing costs, but there would be no policing costs if there were no protesters. Its not the Bilderberg group who are going to cause any trouble as Marslander pointed out (you're not going to see 140 odd world and business leaders throwing bricks and fire extinguishers and chairs at the police line trying to get to the protesters the other side) so why exactly should they pay for policing?

Indeed, I'd turn this around. Every protester who attends should be made to pay a fee, say £100 per head per day, towards the cost of policing because THEY are the reason there is a need for it.
JD, it’s a chicken and egg thing. Some of the protesters are up in arms about the policing costs, but there would be no policing costs if there were no protesters. Its not the Bilderberg group who are going to cause any trouble as Marslander pointed out (you're not going to see 140 odd world and business leaders throwing bricks and fire extinguishers and chairs at the police line trying to get to the protesters the other side) so why exactly should they pay for policing? Indeed, I'd turn this around. Every protester who attends should be made to pay a fee, say £100 per head per day, towards the cost of policing because THEY are the reason there is a need for it. garston tony
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12:32pm Wed 22 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Typical, some here trying to write me off as a nutter.
As a contrarian I take that as a compliment.

People call you that when you know your subject and you don't conform to the consensus.

Those people who will protest Bilderberg are the truly sane, the 'nutters' just go along with it, justifying the unjustifiable..

Far better to try to shut me with insults and lies then consider uncomfortable truths, eh?


The first chance losers get to side with a bunch of corrupt billionare policy makers, they take it.

History is replete with the Bilderberg 'type' ie unelected corporate monarchs, the robber baron class, seeing off millions to impoverishment, exile and/or early graves, what do you think has changed?

They might be more sophisticated nowadays, but power still corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Do you really think humanity has shaken off the present day equivalent to those kind of tyrants of the past?


They bring war, recently vietnam, Iraq (x2), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria just to name a few. Wars for resources.

They have more unjustifiable wars in store. The mass media who they own will pedal lies to make them happen.


Try to understand war must be paid for and bankers finance all wars.

They brought you fractional reserve banking, and with it currency devaluation, they made you bail out their bankers, then they brought you austerity to pay for it.

Austerity that has hardly even started.
Sterling has a lot more to fall, inflation you can't imagine is still to come.

They brought you legalised tourture, Preemptive wars of aggression (the 1% rule) mass surveillance, mass immigration, enforced multiculturalism, loss of sovereignty, GM crops, and much more, these things don't just happen.

They are made to happen, it doesn't matter whether you vote for the left or the right, you get THEIR agenda.

When were you ever offered a say in the things I've mentioned?

We are told 'we won' WW2, but did we? Democracy and freedom seem to be losing to corporatism these days, on whose side do you imagine the Bilderberg stand?

Some people will just keep waving their tribal flags, deluding themselves that they have a say in foreign, economic and social policy, when in REALITY it's the 'law abiding' (haha!) unelected globalist elites who really run the world, the own your politicians, media, military and all other major institutions with with it.

Think about it , consider their actions, their 'mistakes' their strange ideas that manifest into reality, who benefits, who loses?

Don't you get the feeling that they are trying to manipulate you into believing that these outrageous things are for your 'interests', or for the 'greater good', lol!!

Most of you people will come round to my way of thinking, but it will just take some time, you have so much more to lose first, perhaps they will have to take your pension, your job and your home to bring you out of your slumber, but in the end you will wake up.

Of course it will probably be too late to do anything about it by then, but do try to remember, don't say you weren't warned.

Some of us are paying attention, some of us make our living by understanding what is going on, I'm used to being called a 'nutter'.

I was told that when I was buying precious metals and commodities over a decade ago.


Here are some people who understand, who see the bigger picture, ignore them at your own peril..


Carlin

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=acLW1vFO-
2Q




Jim Rogers

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=G8bF1pWKa
OE

Peter Schiff

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=lYkFYdLTT
w8

Craig Murray

http://www.craigmurr
ay.org.uk/archives/2
013/05/the-search-fo
r-change/

Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=1w7JyIoBD
_A

Farrage

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=UZap5n3zG
Z8&feature=player_em
bedded
Typical, some here trying to write me off as a nutter. As a contrarian I take that as a compliment. People call you that when you know your subject and you don't conform to the consensus. Those people who will protest Bilderberg are the truly sane, the 'nutters' just go along with it, justifying the unjustifiable.. Far better to try to shut me with insults and lies then consider uncomfortable truths, eh? The first chance losers get to side with a bunch of corrupt billionare policy makers, they take it. History is replete with the Bilderberg 'type' ie unelected corporate monarchs, the robber baron class, seeing off millions to impoverishment, exile and/or early graves, what do you think has changed? They might be more sophisticated nowadays, but power still corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Do you really think humanity has shaken off the present day equivalent to those kind of tyrants of the past? They bring war, recently vietnam, Iraq (x2), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria just to name a few. Wars for resources. They have more unjustifiable wars in store. The mass media who they own will pedal lies to make them happen. Try to understand war must be paid for and bankers finance all wars. They brought you fractional reserve banking, and with it currency devaluation, they made you bail out their bankers, then they brought you austerity to pay for it. Austerity that has hardly even started. Sterling has a lot more to fall, inflation you can't imagine is still to come. They brought you legalised tourture, Preemptive wars of aggression (the 1% rule) mass surveillance, mass immigration, enforced multiculturalism, loss of sovereignty, GM crops, and much more, these things don't just happen. They are made to happen, it doesn't matter whether you vote for the left or the right, you get THEIR agenda. When were you ever offered a say in the things I've mentioned? We are told 'we won' WW2, but did we? Democracy and freedom seem to be losing to corporatism these days, on whose side do you imagine the Bilderberg stand? Some people will just keep waving their tribal flags, deluding themselves that they have a say in foreign, economic and social policy, when in REALITY it's the 'law abiding' (haha!) unelected globalist elites who really run the world, the own your politicians, media, military and all other major institutions with with it. Think about it , consider their actions, their 'mistakes' their strange ideas that manifest into reality, who benefits, who loses? Don't you get the feeling that they are trying to manipulate you into believing that these outrageous things are for your 'interests', or for the 'greater good', lol!! Most of you people will come round to my way of thinking, but it will just take some time, you have so much more to lose first, perhaps they will have to take your pension, your job and your home to bring you out of your slumber, but in the end you will wake up. Of course it will probably be too late to do anything about it by then, but do try to remember, don't say you weren't warned. Some of us are paying attention, some of us make our living by understanding what is going on, I'm used to being called a 'nutter'. I was told that when I was buying precious metals and commodities over a decade ago. Here are some people who understand, who see the bigger picture, ignore them at your own peril.. Carlin http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=acLW1vFO- 2Q Jim Rogers http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=G8bF1pWKa OE Peter Schiff http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=lYkFYdLTT w8 Craig Murray http://www.craigmurr ay.org.uk/archives/2 013/05/the-search-fo r-change/ Ron Paul http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1w7JyIoBD _A Farrage http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=UZap5n3zG Z8&feature=player_em bedded bilderbergsucks
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1:33pm Wed 22 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

There's an alternative to the phoney left /right paradigm,

Stefan Molyneux is one of the most popular 'philosophers' in the alternative media, a true 'anarchist' who says it as it is. Naturally he is no supporter of Bilderberg.




The Story of Your Enslavement

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Xbp6umQT5
8A


The Handbook of Human Ownership - A Manual for New Tax Farmers

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=OEBvFGoaW
eY
There's an alternative to the phoney left /right paradigm, Stefan Molyneux is one of the most popular 'philosophers' in the alternative media, a true 'anarchist' who says it as it is. Naturally he is no supporter of Bilderberg. The Story of Your Enslavement http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Xbp6umQT5 8A The Handbook of Human Ownership - A Manual for New Tax Farmers http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=OEBvFGoaW eY bilderbergsucks
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1:43pm Wed 22 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Anarchists have been around ever since the dawn of mankind and civilisation. I haven't noticed that they've ever managed to change very much.
Anarchists have been around ever since the dawn of mankind and civilisation. I haven't noticed that they've ever managed to change very much. Roy Stockdill
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1:52pm Wed 22 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Watch out Watford: Here comes the secretive Bilderberg Group

A meeting of global power brokers in a Hertfordshire hotel is exciting conspiracy theorists, but what are they really about?

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/watch-out-watf
ord-here-comes-the-s
ecretive-bilderberg-
group-8626134.html
Watch out Watford: Here comes the secretive Bilderberg Group A meeting of global power brokers in a Hertfordshire hotel is exciting conspiracy theorists, but what are they really about? http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/watch-out-watf ord-here-comes-the-s ecretive-bilderberg- group-8626134.html bilderbergsucks
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3:07pm Wed 22 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

According to the above story in The Independent, the police are taking over five pitches belonging to Fullerians Rugby Club as their base and headquarters for the duration of the conference and have already paid the club for their use, so I expect the club is happy.

The story also notes that The Grove is used by the England football team when gearing up for an international match. I don't suppose the manager Roy Hodgson tells the press everything he and the team are up to before the game, so maybe that could be called a secretive body too?
According to the above story in The Independent, the police are taking over five pitches belonging to Fullerians Rugby Club as their base and headquarters for the duration of the conference and have already paid the club for their use, so I expect the club is happy. The story also notes that The Grove is used by the England football team when gearing up for an international match. I don't suppose the manager Roy Hodgson tells the press everything he and the team are up to before the game, so maybe that could be called a secretive body too? Roy Stockdill
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8:07pm Wed 22 May 13

LSC says...

"The first chance losers get to side with a bunch of corrupt billionare policy makers, they take it."

As ever, it always comes down to the money. Are you skint again?
Why don't you go and work really hard, make a few billion of your own and use it to make the world a better place?

Not easy when you spend so much time watching videos and standing in fields shouting, but it might feel more rewarding.
"The first chance losers get to side with a bunch of corrupt billionare policy makers, they take it." As ever, it always comes down to the money. Are you skint again? Why don't you go and work really hard, make a few billion of your own and use it to make the world a better place? Not easy when you spend so much time watching videos and standing in fields shouting, but it might feel more rewarding. LSC
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11:30pm Wed 22 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

LSC, you're not paying attention, as usual.

I told you I was buying precious metals and commodities just after 2000, I'm still holding. So I'm anything but skint.

Working 'really hard' doesn't always make money, if that was the case the most of the third world would be rich.

Being clever makes money,
I admire smart people, I haven't got a problem with rich people either, I have a problem with evil people whether they're smart or stupid.

Jim Rogers is a billionaire, he is also a highly moral person, I had the privilege of meeting him about a decade ago, he was very influential in prompting me to buy precious metals and commodities.

I'd love to meet Ron Paul, another one who is smart, rich and very moral but I'm not willing to go to the US.


BTW I prefer to dance in fields, I hope some of the guys bring a loud rig so we can all have a laugh..
LSC, you're not paying attention, as usual. I told you I was buying precious metals and commodities just after 2000, I'm still holding. So I'm anything but skint. Working 'really hard' doesn't always make money, if that was the case the most of the third world would be rich. Being clever makes money, I admire smart people, I haven't got a problem with rich people either, I have a problem with evil people whether they're smart or stupid. Jim Rogers is a billionaire, he is also a highly moral person, I had the privilege of meeting him about a decade ago, he was very influential in prompting me to buy precious metals and commodities. I'd love to meet Ron Paul, another one who is smart, rich and very moral but I'm not willing to go to the US. BTW I prefer to dance in fields, I hope some of the guys bring a loud rig so we can all have a laugh.. bilderbergsucks
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8:19am Thu 23 May 13

MarsLander says...

If there is heavy rain and snow during the conference we will know our lizard masters really do have strange powers.

If the weather is normal, then the protesters have come for nothing because they are mere humans like the rest of us.

No doubt if we did get that bad weather then nutty people would proclaim global warming / cooling / wetting and try to wring some more taxes out of us. Eh Sue?
If there is heavy rain and snow during the conference we will know our lizard masters really do have strange powers. If the weather is normal, then the protesters have come for nothing because they are mere humans like the rest of us. No doubt if we did get that bad weather then nutty people would proclaim global warming / cooling / wetting and try to wring some more taxes out of us. Eh Sue? MarsLander
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11:45am Thu 23 May 13

garston tony says...

Watch out Watford? The only thing that Watford has to fear from this meeting taking place in its boundaries is the protesters running amok. The people attending the meeting do not pose any threat to us, only those that for some still unknow reason wish to protest against them. I've said it before, the police arent attending to keep the people attending the conference away from us but to protect them AND US from people like Bilderbersucks.

And Bilderbergsucks, its all well and good pointing us towards conspiracy theories or throwing them out like confetti but you have offered no proof of anything. Hence probably why you are viewed as a loon. Facts sir, real facts.

It also doesn’t help your positition when on the one hand you rail against big business etc. yet admit that you are well off thanks to your time working for them! If you had true convictions wouldn’t you give all your as you see it 'ill begotten' gains?
Watch out Watford? The only thing that Watford has to fear from this meeting taking place in its boundaries is the protesters running amok. The people attending the meeting do not pose any threat to us, only those that for some still unknow reason wish to protest against them. I've said it before, the police arent attending to keep the people attending the conference away from us but to protect them AND US from people like Bilderbersucks. And Bilderbergsucks, its all well and good pointing us towards conspiracy theories or throwing them out like confetti but you have offered no proof of anything. Hence probably why you are viewed as a loon. Facts sir, real facts. It also doesn’t help your positition when on the one hand you rail against big business etc. yet admit that you are well off thanks to your time working for them! If you had true convictions wouldn’t you give all your as you see it 'ill begotten' gains? garston tony
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1:01pm Thu 23 May 13

dontknowynot says...

yer and if it wasn't for the perceived hassle heads and trouble makers, we would have been able to have had the Folk festival.
yer and if it wasn't for the perceived hassle heads and trouble makers, we would have been able to have had the Folk festival. dontknowynot
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8:19pm Thu 23 May 13

LSC says...

dontknowynot wrote:
yer and if it wasn't for the perceived hassle heads and trouble makers, we would have been able to have had the Folk festival.
You can have one anytime you like. Just hire a suitable venue, hire catering and security, and try not to coincide with a political hot potato just over the road at the time.
Simple really.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: yer and if it wasn't for the perceived hassle heads and trouble makers, we would have been able to have had the Folk festival.[/p][/quote]You can have one anytime you like. Just hire a suitable venue, hire catering and security, and try not to coincide with a political hot potato just over the road at the time. Simple really. LSC
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10:31pm Thu 23 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

GT

"offered no proof"

I have offered 'proof', the founder was a criminal ex Nazi, no debate, fact.

Ferdinando Imposimato of the Italien supreme court has made the accusation that Bilderberg were behind operation Gladio (false flag terrorism) No debate fact.


Kissenger, the war criminal, is on the steering committee.
No debate fact.


The mass media refused to report on the meeting for about 45 YEARS, even when their representatives attended, no debate, fact.


The conference violates the Logan act, no debate, fact.


What more do you want?
Have you actually watched any of the links?

I could go on but I doubt you are worth the effort as you seem to have made up your mind, without doing the relevant research.


"you rail against big business"


No I don't , I rail against corporatism, I'm very much a supporter of free markets.
I hate welfare for the rich. Too big to fail is the biggest lie ever. Instead of banks failing we are going to have nations failing. Just to keep stupid bondholders in the money, what a fkn disaster..



"thanks to your time working for them"


'Them'? I'm self employed I work for myself.
GT "offered no proof" I have offered 'proof', the founder was a criminal ex Nazi, no debate, fact. Ferdinando Imposimato of the Italien supreme court has made the accusation that Bilderberg were behind operation Gladio (false flag terrorism) No debate fact. Kissenger, the war criminal, is on the steering committee. No debate fact. The mass media refused to report on the meeting for about 45 YEARS, even when their representatives attended, no debate, fact. The conference violates the Logan act, no debate, fact. What more do you want? Have you actually watched any of the links? I could go on but I doubt you are worth the effort as you seem to have made up your mind, without doing the relevant research. "you rail against big business" No I don't , I rail against corporatism, I'm very much a supporter of free markets. I hate welfare for the rich. Too big to fail is the biggest lie ever. Instead of banks failing we are going to have nations failing. Just to keep stupid bondholders in the money, what a fkn disaster.. "thanks to your time working for them" 'Them'? I'm self employed I work for myself. bilderbergsucks
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11:52pm Thu 23 May 13

LSC says...

"I hate welfare for the rich."

There we have it again, 'hate' and 'rich' in the same sentence.

Would you really deny 'welfare' as in NHS treatment to a rich man who has paid National Insurance all his life?

How very Socialist of you; I thought the basis of socialism was equality?

You just hate the rich, man up and admit it.
"I hate welfare for the rich." There we have it again, 'hate' and 'rich' in the same sentence. Would you really deny 'welfare' as in NHS treatment to a rich man who has paid National Insurance all his life? How very Socialist of you; I thought the basis of socialism was equality? You just hate the rich, man up and admit it. LSC
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7:02am Fri 24 May 13

Watfordb&b says...

So , Bilderbergsucks....
I note that you have failed to answer the most important question of them all...
"Who will win the Wembley play off on Monday? Watford or Palace??"
Perhaps there is a conspiracy there? Maybe the Bilderbergs will come on in the 90 th minute and score 3000 goals?
It us about as likely as your deluded theories!!! Nutter!!
So , Bilderbergsucks.... I note that you have failed to answer the most important question of them all... "Who will win the Wembley play off on Monday? Watford or Palace??" Perhaps there is a conspiracy there? Maybe the Bilderbergs will come on in the 90 th minute and score 3000 goals? It us about as likely as your deluded theories!!! Nutter!! Watfordb&b
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9:35am Fri 24 May 13

garston tony says...

The rights and wrong of what Kissenger may, or may not, have been involved with he has neither been charged nor found guilty of war crimes. Calling him a war criminal is therefore incorrect and your persistence in doing so kinda proves our point about you

Ferdinando Imposimato is a conspiracy theorists just as you are, Italian prosecutors arent above amateur dramatics in order to get themselves publicity.

Prince Bernhard was a member of the Nazi party, but totally renounced it in 1934. When Holland was invaded he escorted the Dutch royal family to the UK then returned to Holland where he actively fought in the defence of that country. He wanted to remain in the country as a resistance fighter but was ordered to return to the UK where he flew combat missions in Spitfires and Mitchell bombers, helped organise the Dutch resistance, helped plan Allied military campaigns and in 1944 became head of the Dutch forces. Many people in the beginning thought the Nazi's were better than sliced bread but changed their mind, I think his war record shows that he wasn’t a Nazi at all don’t you.


Having open and frank discussions on a subject does not equate to negotiating anything and therefore no these meetings do not constitute a breach of the Logan act. And act by the way which is only relates to US governent officials and therefore does not apply to the majority of people attending this meeting. And just an aside but if this group are as powerful as you believe and if the Logan Act did apply to this meeting (IT DOESN’T) then wouldn’t an allegedly all powerful group prevent the Logan act from becoming law. I mean your assertion that the Bilderberg meetings breach this act is rubbish but in asserting that it does you're contradicting yourself.


Bliderbersucks, I'll say it again all you've done is thrown out conspiracy theory and innacuracies and contradictions and no actual provable facts about this organisation and you come over as the classic nutty conspiracy theorist.
The rights and wrong of what Kissenger may, or may not, have been involved with he has neither been charged nor found guilty of war crimes. Calling him a war criminal is therefore incorrect and your persistence in doing so kinda proves our point about you Ferdinando Imposimato is a conspiracy theorists just as you are, Italian prosecutors arent above amateur dramatics in order to get themselves publicity. Prince Bernhard was a member of the Nazi party, but totally renounced it in 1934. When Holland was invaded he escorted the Dutch royal family to the UK then returned to Holland where he actively fought in the defence of that country. He wanted to remain in the country as a resistance fighter but was ordered to return to the UK where he flew combat missions in Spitfires and Mitchell bombers, helped organise the Dutch resistance, helped plan Allied military campaigns and in 1944 became head of the Dutch forces. Many people in the beginning thought the Nazi's were better than sliced bread but changed their mind, I think his war record shows that he wasn’t a Nazi at all don’t you. Having open and frank discussions on a subject does not equate to negotiating anything and therefore no these meetings do not constitute a breach of the Logan act. And act by the way which is only relates to US governent officials and therefore does not apply to the majority of people attending this meeting. And just an aside but if this group are as powerful as you believe and if the Logan Act did apply to this meeting (IT DOESN’T) then wouldn’t an allegedly all powerful group prevent the Logan act from becoming law. I mean your assertion that the Bilderberg meetings breach this act is rubbish but in asserting that it does you're contradicting yourself. Bliderbersucks, I'll say it again all you've done is thrown out conspiracy theory and innacuracies and contradictions and no actual provable facts about this organisation and you come over as the classic nutty conspiracy theorist. garston tony
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9:41am Fri 24 May 13

MarsLander says...

Tony,

very well said.
Tony, very well said. MarsLander
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10:04am Fri 24 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Did anyone watch the documentary on Channel 5 last night about the book by Dan Brown and the film, The Da Vinci Code? As those who have read the book and seen the film will know, it propagates the theory that Jesus Christ married the prostitute Mary Magdalene and they had children and many descendants. This was based on an earlier book in the 1980s, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, which claimed that the descendants of JC and MM formed the Knights Templar and now run the world, one of whom was alleged to be General De Gaulle.

Does this sound familiar? Could these shadowy Bilderberg people be the descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene???
Will the Holy Grail be found in Watford?
Where are the Monty Python gang when you need them?

The documentary, BTW, came to the conclusion that there was no proof of any of it. One of the arguments in favour of the theory was that Leonardo Da Vinci hid secret messages in his painting of The Last Supper. But other art experts debunked this belief, saying that you can find hidden letters in any painting if you look closely enough and have the imagination to see them! There was also a very interesting lady professor on the programme who said that Leonard Da Vinci, being left-handed, was almost certainly dyslexic and a shocking speller.
Did anyone watch the documentary on Channel 5 last night about the book by Dan Brown and the film, The Da Vinci Code? As those who have read the book and seen the film will know, it propagates the theory that Jesus Christ married the prostitute Mary Magdalene and they had children and many descendants. This was based on an earlier book in the 1980s, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, which claimed that the descendants of JC and MM formed the Knights Templar and now run the world, one of whom was alleged to be General De Gaulle. Does this sound familiar? Could these shadowy Bilderberg people be the descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene??? Will the Holy Grail be found in Watford? Where are the Monty Python gang when you need them? The documentary, BTW, came to the conclusion that there was no proof of any of it. One of the arguments in favour of the theory was that Leonardo Da Vinci hid secret messages in his painting of The Last Supper. But other art experts debunked this belief, saying that you can find hidden letters in any painting if you look closely enough and have the imagination to see them! There was also a very interesting lady professor on the programme who said that Leonard Da Vinci, being left-handed, was almost certainly dyslexic and a shocking speller. Roy Stockdill
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10:56am Fri 24 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

GT,

Kissenger IS a war criminal, if there was any 'justice' he would be done for war crimes.
The blood that man has on his hands is truly disgusting, his input on murderous US foreign policy was huge in his day.

Bush is a war criminal. so was Blair.
They should all be put before the Hague, just because these initiators of extreme unprovoked violence don't get prosecuted doesn't mean they haven't got the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children on their hands, they have, and that's a fact.

Get used to it and don't forget the millions of refugees they're responsible for too.

. When a leader repeatedly lies and uses crooked data to drag a nation into a war of aggression against another nation that poses no threat whatsoever it's a fkn war crime. I suggest you consult the UN charter for verification.

Israel has broken the UN charter with regard to their treatment of the Palestinians many, many times, they never get held to account for their crimes, even you couldn't deny that. The facts speak for themselves.

Try to understand that there is little 'justice' in the world.

If it was your family who had been murdered by these war mongers you'd agree, but because it's people with a slightly darker shade of skin colour, many miles away, who practice a different faith, you will not agree.

But the truth is the truth, whether you like it or not.

Ferdinando Imposimato is the Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy
a prosecutor and investigator, the 'conspiracy theorist' label you give him is merely something you have made up, an opinion. Prove he is..

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Ferdinando_
Imposimato

And while you're at it prove that I am one too.


"Prince Bernhard was a member of the Nazi party"
I state it, you state it, it is an established FACT.

I don't care for your justifications for the man due to his war effort, so what if he changed sides? Perhaps he did so because he didn't want to be on the losing one.

What you fail to mention is that as well as being a Nazi he was corrupt and he was convicted for it too.Fact.



"frank discussions on a subject does not equate to negotiating"

That OPINION can only be established as a fact if the meetings were transparent, they aren't so..

The US government officials who attend (I guarantee some will) are breaking the Logan act, Fact.


" you come over as the classic nutty conspiracy theorist."


And you GT come over as an apologist for globalist fascists, a top of the range propaganda consumer , an establishment hugger, and a statist to boot.

;)
GT, Kissenger IS a war criminal, if there was any 'justice' he would be done for war crimes. The blood that man has on his hands is truly disgusting, his input on murderous US foreign policy was huge in his day. Bush is a war criminal. so was Blair. They should all be put before the Hague, just because these initiators of extreme unprovoked violence don't get prosecuted doesn't mean they haven't got the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children on their hands, they have, and that's a fact. Get used to it and don't forget the millions of refugees they're responsible for too. . When a leader repeatedly lies and uses crooked data to drag a nation into a war of aggression against another nation that poses no threat whatsoever it's a fkn war crime. I suggest you consult the UN charter for verification. Israel has broken the UN charter with regard to their treatment of the Palestinians many, many times, they never get held to account for their crimes, even you couldn't deny that. The facts speak for themselves. Try to understand that there is little 'justice' in the world. If it was your family who had been murdered by these war mongers you'd agree, but because it's people with a slightly darker shade of skin colour, many miles away, who practice a different faith, you will not agree. But the truth is the truth, whether you like it or not. Ferdinando Imposimato is the Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy a prosecutor and investigator, the 'conspiracy theorist' label you give him is merely something you have made up, an opinion. Prove he is.. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Ferdinando_ Imposimato And while you're at it prove that I am one too. "Prince Bernhard was a member of the Nazi party" I state it, you state it, it is an established FACT. I don't care for your justifications for the man due to his war effort, so what if he changed sides? Perhaps he did so because he didn't want to be on the losing one. What you fail to mention is that as well as being a Nazi he was corrupt and he was convicted for it too.Fact. "frank discussions on a subject does not equate to negotiating" That OPINION can only be established as a fact if the meetings were transparent, they aren't so.. The US government officials who attend (I guarantee some will) are breaking the Logan act, Fact. " you come over as the classic nutty conspiracy theorist." And you GT come over as an apologist for globalist fascists, a top of the range propaganda consumer , an establishment hugger, and a statist to boot. ;) bilderbergsucks
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11:16am Fri 24 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Oh dear! These rambling, ranting statements seem to get longer and longer.

Hark - do I hear the sound of sirens in a vehicle bearing men in white coats and carrying a strait-jacket?
Oh dear! These rambling, ranting statements seem to get longer and longer. Hark - do I hear the sound of sirens in a vehicle bearing men in white coats and carrying a strait-jacket? Roy Stockdill
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11:25am Fri 24 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Ron Paul + Jim Rogers on the government: "They'll use force and they'll use intimidation

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=CmqIerOV3
EM
Ron Paul + Jim Rogers on the government: "They'll use force and they'll use intimidation http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=CmqIerOV3 EM bilderbergsucks
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11:58am Fri 24 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Roy has a point, in many countries that is what happens to people who tell the truth.


Obama accused of his war crimes during speech defending his war crimes.

http://xrepublic.tv/
node/3421
Roy has a point, in many countries that is what happens to people who tell the truth. Obama accused of his war crimes during speech defending his war crimes. http://xrepublic.tv/ node/3421 bilderbergsucks
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12:29pm Fri 24 May 13

garston tony says...

Firstly apologies for the length of my response.

Two things stand out clear Bilderbergsuck (BS for short), one you seem unable to distinguish between theory and fact and two you love to contradict yourself.

FACT - Kissenger, Blair and Bush have not been charged and therefore not been found guilty of war crimes. I'm not defending anyones actions, just pointing out a fact. I would also point out by its very nature probably every national leader will have had at some point to make a decision which could have led, depending on which side of the fence you're on I guess, to be accused of a war crime

THEORY - am I right in thinking you are now claiming that Bilderberg are responsible for the way that Israel interacts with the Palestinians. Another throw away accusation but where is the evidence please?

FACT- You are right, there often is a lack of justice in the world but;
THEORY - is that now Bilderbergs fault too? If so evidence please. Because;
FACT - injustice has been happening on this planet since pretty much near the beginning of time here and I would point out this group only began back in the 1950's.

FACT - BS I think both LSC and Roy will attest to the fact that I have come to the defence of people of different races and religions across the world and here in our own community often being the lone voice in doing so. They will also attest that I often call for people to look at the facts and not just follow the often media led ignorant line. I don’t think our paths have crossed before so you are not to know that, nor that I have been on numerous projects in third world countries helping to provide aid, training, resources and infrastructure etc. to people suffering due to natural disasters, conflict and poverty.

I have seen for myself the consequences of injustice in this world and don’t need a lecture from you thank you. I'm well aware that in this 'war on terror' more innocent people by many many multiples have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq etc by allied forces than died in 9/11 and July the 7th bombings and I'm well aware how this only helps to stoke the fire and support and recruitment of people we view as extremists and terrorist. How one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.

THEORY - What I don’t know is what this has to do with the Bilderberg group?
Firstly apologies for the length of my response. Two things stand out clear Bilderbergsuck (BS for short), one you seem unable to distinguish between theory and fact and two you love to contradict yourself. FACT - Kissenger, Blair and Bush have not been charged and therefore not been found guilty of war crimes. I'm not defending anyones actions, just pointing out a fact. I would also point out by its very nature probably every national leader will have had at some point to make a decision which could have led, depending on which side of the fence you're on I guess, to be accused of a war crime THEORY - am I right in thinking you are now claiming that Bilderberg are responsible for the way that Israel interacts with the Palestinians. Another throw away accusation but where is the evidence please? FACT- You are right, there often is a lack of justice in the world but; THEORY - is that now Bilderbergs fault too? If so evidence please. Because; FACT - injustice has been happening on this planet since pretty much near the beginning of time here and I would point out this group only began back in the 1950's. FACT - BS I think both LSC and Roy will attest to the fact that I have come to the defence of people of different races and religions across the world and here in our own community often being the lone voice in doing so. They will also attest that I often call for people to look at the facts and not just follow the often media led ignorant line. I don’t think our paths have crossed before so you are not to know that, nor that I have been on numerous projects in third world countries helping to provide aid, training, resources and infrastructure etc. to people suffering due to natural disasters, conflict and poverty. I have seen for myself the consequences of injustice in this world and don’t need a lecture from you thank you. I'm well aware that in this 'war on terror' more innocent people by many many multiples have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq etc by allied forces than died in 9/11 and July the 7th bombings and I'm well aware how this only helps to stoke the fire and support and recruitment of people we view as extremists and terrorist. How one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. THEORY - What I don’t know is what this has to do with the Bilderberg group? garston tony
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12:29pm Fri 24 May 13

garston tony says...

FACT - Imposimato has no proof for his claims (he is in a position to act if he had any actual evidence) hence why he is a conspiracy theorist.

FACT - I didn’t mention Bernhard's alledged corruption because we were discussing his membership of the Nazi party. But you are wrong, again, he was never convicted of anything. Facts BS, facts.

FACT - Another fact is that people can change their minds, in the context of the time the Nazi party were viewed by many as a good thing. I'm sure Bernhard wasn’t the only one to decide that actually they were not and to not only end their affiliation with them but actively fight against them. It’s a rather immature, naïve and simple position you're taking.

CONTRADICTION - You acknowledge Bernhard changed sides (that means he stopped being what he was before) so he cant then still have been a Nazi. His actions during WW2 show that he wasn’t a Nazi too.

CONTRADICTION - You admit that you don’t know what goes on in these meetings and in the next breath say it is fact that the US government officials attending will be breaking the Logan Act. Seeing as there is indeed no public knowledge of what is being discussed it is FACT that you cant know for a 'fact' that negotions are taking place and therefore a law is being breach by any US government officials.


Wow, I've called many a thing over the years but I particularly love the irony of being called a propagander consumer by someone whose done nothing but spout conspiracy theory and the made up opinions of others.

Where have I apologised for anyone? All I've done is ask for and refer to FACTS

How can asking for and referring to FACTS be deemed being a propanda consumer?

Where have I hugged establishement? All I've done is ask for and refer to FACTS

And where have I called for governments to control economic and social policy? All I have done is ask for and refer to FACTS

Thank you BS for providing quality entertainment today
FACT - Imposimato has no proof for his claims (he is in a position to act if he had any actual evidence) hence why he is a conspiracy theorist. FACT - I didn’t mention Bernhard's alledged corruption because we were discussing his membership of the Nazi party. But you are wrong, again, he was never convicted of anything. Facts BS, facts. FACT - Another fact is that people can change their minds, in the context of the time the Nazi party were viewed by many as a good thing. I'm sure Bernhard wasn’t the only one to decide that actually they were not and to not only end their affiliation with them but actively fight against them. It’s a rather immature, naïve and simple position you're taking. CONTRADICTION - You acknowledge Bernhard changed sides (that means he stopped being what he was before) so he cant then still have been a Nazi. His actions during WW2 show that he wasn’t a Nazi too. CONTRADICTION - You admit that you don’t know what goes on in these meetings and in the next breath say it is fact that the US government officials attending will be breaking the Logan Act. Seeing as there is indeed no public knowledge of what is being discussed it is FACT that you cant know for a 'fact' that negotions are taking place and therefore a law is being breach by any US government officials. Wow, I've called many a thing over the years but I particularly love the irony of being called a propagander consumer by someone whose done nothing but spout conspiracy theory and the made up opinions of others. Where have I apologised for anyone? All I've done is ask for and refer to FACTS How can asking for and referring to FACTS be deemed being a propanda consumer? Where have I hugged establishement? All I've done is ask for and refer to FACTS And where have I called for governments to control economic and social policy? All I have done is ask for and refer to FACTS Thank you BS for providing quality entertainment today garston tony
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12:34pm Fri 24 May 13

garston tony says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
Ron Paul + Jim Rogers on the government: "They'll use force and they'll use intimidation http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=CmqIerOV3 EM
I cant access youtube in the office (my own rules, but I must be consistent) but what does a comment by two people on the (US?) government have to do with the Bilderberg meetings?

Is going off topic and rambling also not a loony tune sign?
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: Ron Paul + Jim Rogers on the government: "They'll use force and they'll use intimidation http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=CmqIerOV3 EM[/p][/quote]I cant access youtube in the office (my own rules, but I must be consistent) but what does a comment by two people on the (US?) government have to do with the Bilderberg meetings? Is going off topic and rambling also not a loony tune sign? garston tony
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12:47pm Fri 24 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I wonder why if bilderbergsucks is so concerned that the Bilderberg Group should be open, tell us who they are and what they're up to, why doesn't he tell us who HE is?
I wonder why if bilderbergsucks is so concerned that the Bilderberg Group should be open, tell us who they are and what they're up to, why doesn't he tell us who HE is? Roy Stockdill
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12:50pm Fri 24 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

BTW, what's happened to Su Murray in this debate? She started the whole thing!

Could it be that she is too embarrassed by the manic ramblings of bilderbergsucks to take any further part?
BTW, what's happened to Su Murray in this debate? She started the whole thing! Could it be that she is too embarrassed by the manic ramblings of bilderbergsucks to take any further part? Roy Stockdill
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1:22pm Fri 24 May 13

LSC says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
BTW, what's happened to Su Murray in this debate? She started the whole thing!

Could it be that she is too embarrassed by the manic ramblings of bilderbergsucks to take any further part?
I would imagine she has realised from this debate the nature of her supporters and now has a very red face indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: BTW, what's happened to Su Murray in this debate? She started the whole thing! Could it be that she is too embarrassed by the manic ramblings of bilderbergsucks to take any further part?[/p][/quote]I would imagine she has realised from this debate the nature of her supporters and now has a very red face indeed. LSC
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3:22pm Fri 24 May 13

MarsLander says...

That's the problem with being a green party activist I suppose.
That's the problem with being a green party activist I suppose. MarsLander
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10:03am Sun 26 May 13

No such thing as conspiracy says...

Bilderbergsucks

Why does it matter Bernhard was a Nazi? If it weren't for bringing Nazi scientists to The USA under project Paperclip, we wouldn't have NASA or access to the data from experiments these scientists did during the war. We wouldn't have had the MK Ultra studies with LSD or know the effects of diseases on the untreated.

If people were really bothered by Nazi connections we wouldn't be using IBM, Siemens, Volkswagen, Bayer, General Electric etc... No one would have trusted the Kennedy family or the Bush family considering they helped fund the Nazi war effort, and we wouldn't have the still strong devotion to the Royal Family either. Don't forget that they were supportive of the Nazis in the early stages of Hitlers reign, not to mention they are German too!

I guess I'm saying that just because certain families and corporations aided the Nazi's you can't judge them for that now. It was in the past, forget about it. Everyone else obviously has or these families and corporations wouldn't have the influence they have now.

Also Kissinger is no war criminal. He only advised the President to expand the Vietnam war into Cambodia and Laos. The president didn't have to take that advice. If only the president listened to Kissinger more, the US would have remained in Southeast Asia for another decade and we wouldn't have so much communism to deal with now.

He and Zbigniew Brzeziński may be foreign born advisors but that doesn't mean they have to catch all the flack. It's a global world and terror is fought globally now so these guys were way ahead of their time.it makes sense that presidents can come and go but you need people like Zbigniew Brzeziński and Kissinger to remain in government because they no what they are doing.

Bilderbergsucks, If you think that its hard work alone that makes you rich then you are having a laugh.

The worlds richest man is Bill Gates and he made his money by taking ideas from Apple and producing a cheaper product for mass consumption. Carlos Slim is the worlds second richest man and he made his billions from having a monopoly on the telecommunications market in Mexico. the government gave him the contract. being smart, ruthless and having connections to government will also make you rich, hell, the RICHEST. Hard work gets you no where.

Seriously if protesting did anything than Occupy would have been successful. Even with all the bail out money given to Warren Buffet and George Soros that they invested into the Occupy movement wasn't enough to change anything.

Next you'll say that billionaires funding anti-corporate protests is a conspiracy.

None of this is secret anymore. Secret societies are a joke. There is no such thing as secret societies. Just organisations with strict membership that keep secrets. A little different to some shadowy organisation that we no nothing about. Aren't these politicians and tech heads and think tanks and policy advisor and bankers allowed to keep secrets too?

Look if silly things like the out dated Logan Act are adhered to then these power brokers would never get the chance to meet like this and talk shop. How else can the ship stay on a true course. Obviously 50 years of shadow world government hasn't wiped us out yet so why complain. What are they waiting for? An escalation of the Middle East conflict to distract away from other issues like the economy or scandals in the US. mor funding of rebel groups that work with al Qaeda to bring down the last of the secular Arab governments? Militarising police and restricting the right to protest so when they come to take the money out of our bank accounts we don't resist? Now you have me thinking like a nutter!

Ps
If you want people to take what you say as truth rather than conspiracy please write FACT proceeding your point so we can determine it from the evidence you keep forcing on everyone.

No one here is going to check your links or do the research necessary to understand where these conspiracies are coming from so don't bother. Obviously only the people 'awake' like yourself concern themselves with things like that.
Bilderbergsucks Why does it matter Bernhard was a Nazi? If it weren't for bringing Nazi scientists to The USA under project Paperclip, we wouldn't have NASA or access to the data from experiments these scientists did during the war. We wouldn't have had the MK Ultra studies with LSD or know the effects of diseases on the untreated. If people were really bothered by Nazi connections we wouldn't be using IBM, Siemens, Volkswagen, Bayer, General Electric etc... No one would have trusted the Kennedy family or the Bush family considering they helped fund the Nazi war effort, and we wouldn't have the still strong devotion to the Royal Family either. Don't forget that they were supportive of the Nazis in the early stages of Hitlers reign, not to mention they are German too! I guess I'm saying that just because certain families and corporations aided the Nazi's you can't judge them for that now. It was in the past, forget about it. Everyone else obviously has or these families and corporations wouldn't have the influence they have now. Also Kissinger is no war criminal. He only advised the President to expand the Vietnam war into Cambodia and Laos. The president didn't have to take that advice. If only the president listened to Kissinger more, the US would have remained in Southeast Asia for another decade and we wouldn't have so much communism to deal with now. He and Zbigniew Brzeziński may be foreign born advisors but that doesn't mean they have to catch all the flack. It's a global world and terror is fought globally now so these guys were way ahead of their time.it makes sense that presidents can come and go but you need people like Zbigniew Brzeziński and Kissinger to remain in government because they no what they are doing. Bilderbergsucks, If you think that its hard work alone that makes you rich then you are having a laugh. The worlds richest man is Bill Gates and he made his money by taking ideas from Apple and producing a cheaper product for mass consumption. Carlos Slim is the worlds second richest man and he made his billions from having a monopoly on the telecommunications market in Mexico. the government gave him the contract. being smart, ruthless and having connections to government will also make you rich, hell, the RICHEST. Hard work gets you no where. Seriously if protesting did anything than Occupy would have been successful. Even with all the bail out money given to Warren Buffet and George Soros that they invested into the Occupy movement wasn't enough to change anything. Next you'll say that billionaires funding anti-corporate protests is a conspiracy. None of this is secret anymore. Secret societies are a joke. There is no such thing as secret societies. Just organisations with strict membership that keep secrets. A little different to some shadowy organisation that we no nothing about. Aren't these politicians and tech heads and think tanks and policy advisor and bankers allowed to keep secrets too? Look if silly things like the out dated Logan Act are adhered to then these power brokers would never get the chance to meet like this and talk shop. How else can the ship stay on a true course. Obviously 50 years of shadow world government hasn't wiped us out yet so why complain. What are they waiting for? An escalation of the Middle East conflict to distract away from other issues like the economy or scandals in the US. mor funding of rebel groups that work with al Qaeda to bring down the last of the secular Arab governments? Militarising police and restricting the right to protest so when they come to take the money out of our bank accounts we don't resist? Now you have me thinking like a nutter! Ps If you want people to take what you say as truth rather than conspiracy please write FACT proceeding your point so we can determine it from the evidence you keep forcing on everyone. No one here is going to check your links or do the research necessary to understand where these conspiracies are coming from so don't bother. Obviously only the people 'awake' like yourself concern themselves with things like that. No such thing as conspiracy
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10:29am Sun 26 May 13

No such thing as conspiracy says...

Roy stockdill

That Jesus conspiracy is hilarious! I bet every conspiracy theorist believe that hogwash too.

I saw a documentary the other day that tried to link the royal family with ancient Egypt and the 10 lost tribes of Israel.

Just because in the queens coronation, she had the ceremonial whip and rod that the pharaohs used, she sit on the throne on top of step pyramids, and she gets moved about in golden carriages.

Then there is the stone inside the throne that was supposedly brought the Scotland via Israel which means that there must be some connection between the royal family and the 10 tribes. They also throw in the idea that the Lion and dragon featuring to prominently in English history has something to do with the tribes of Judah and Dan, whose sigils were the Lion and Snake.

I did a little of my own research and found that Princess Diana had a perfume called Isis. Isis in Egyptian history was the mother of the son of god. Cleopatra was considered the reincarnation of Isis too. And she gave birth to the king of kings, the son of god, Ptolemy Caesar.

Also, Prince William was born on the summer solstice. A son of the Sun!

It's fun to make connections.
Roy stockdill That Jesus conspiracy is hilarious! I bet every conspiracy theorist believe that hogwash too. I saw a documentary the other day that tried to link the royal family with ancient Egypt and the 10 lost tribes of Israel. Just because in the queens coronation, she had the ceremonial whip and rod that the pharaohs used, she sit on the throne on top of step pyramids, and she gets moved about in golden carriages. Then there is the stone inside the throne that was supposedly brought the Scotland via Israel which means that there must be some connection between the royal family and the 10 tribes. They also throw in the idea that the Lion and dragon featuring to prominently in English history has something to do with the tribes of Judah and Dan, whose sigils were the Lion and Snake. I did a little of my own research and found that Princess Diana had a perfume called Isis. Isis in Egyptian history was the mother of the son of god. Cleopatra was considered the reincarnation of Isis too. And she gave birth to the king of kings, the son of god, Ptolemy Caesar. Also, Prince William was born on the summer solstice. A son of the Sun! It's fun to make connections. No such thing as conspiracy
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11:19am Sun 26 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Yes, as a genealogist I am very familiar with the theory that the British royal family descend from King David and further back to Noah in the Ark and even to Adam and Eve! It is, of course, absurd and preposterous nonsense, yet there are a lot of people who believe it, especially gullible Americans, i.e. the Mormons who claim to descend from the Lost Tribes of Israel.

The theory of the British royals' descent hangs on an entirely bogus pedigree put together by some joker in the early 1900s, based on a much earlier fantasy created in the 12th century by a monk called Geoffrey of Monmouth, an alleged historian, which has passed into folklore and been believed by many credulous people. I have seen many supposed "family histories" which quotes the bible as a source (so-and-and-so-begat
-so-and-so" etc, and all that rubbish. Unfortunately, the bible is believed by so many people when, in reality, it's no more than a collection of fables and fairy tales, just as the Koran is a book created some 1500 years ago and believed by millions of ignorant Muslims who know no better. I've even seen family histories of people who claim to be descended from the Norse god Odin (or Woden from which we derive Wednesday)! Religious fanatics and conspiracy theorists between them are responsible for holding the human race back centuries.
Yes, as a genealogist I am very familiar with the theory that the British royal family descend from King David and further back to Noah in the Ark and even to Adam and Eve! It is, of course, absurd and preposterous nonsense, yet there are a lot of people who believe it, especially gullible Americans, i.e. the Mormons who claim to descend from the Lost Tribes of Israel. The theory of the British royals' descent hangs on an entirely bogus pedigree put together by some joker in the early 1900s, based on a much earlier fantasy created in the 12th century by a monk called Geoffrey of Monmouth, an alleged historian, which has passed into folklore and been believed by many credulous people. I have seen many supposed "family histories" which quotes the bible as a source (so-and-and-so-begat -so-and-so" etc, and all that rubbish. Unfortunately, the bible is believed by so many people when, in reality, it's no more than a collection of fables and fairy tales, just as the Koran is a book created some 1500 years ago and believed by millions of ignorant Muslims who know no better. I've even seen family histories of people who claim to be descended from the Norse god Odin (or Woden from which we derive Wednesday)! Religious fanatics and conspiracy theorists between them are responsible for holding the human race back centuries. Roy Stockdill
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2:23pm Sun 26 May 13

John Dowdle says...

Actually, the Koran was not put down in written form until at least 150 years after the death of Mohammed, that is if one assumes he ever actually existed.
As with Moses and Jesus, there is no contemporary evidence of his existence.
A recent discovery of Koranic scrolls in Yemen has been effectively put under wraps. as with the Qumran Dead Sea scrolls, which suggests that there are a number of unorthodox written documents which may contravene or even contradict the contents of the Torah, Bible and Koran.
The current Koran was issued in Egypt in the 1920s, even though there were at least 6 other versions available.
Hope to see you at Central Primary School Hall on the evening of Thursday, 13th June for the "Do You Need God To Be Good?" debate.
Actually, the Koran was not put down in written form until at least 150 years after the death of Mohammed, that is if one assumes he ever actually existed. As with Moses and Jesus, there is no contemporary evidence of his existence. A recent discovery of Koranic scrolls in Yemen has been effectively put under wraps. as with the Qumran Dead Sea scrolls, which suggests that there are a number of unorthodox written documents which may contravene or even contradict the contents of the Torah, Bible and Koran. The current Koran was issued in Egypt in the 1920s, even though there were at least 6 other versions available. Hope to see you at Central Primary School Hall on the evening of Thursday, 13th June for the "Do You Need God To Be Good?" debate. John Dowdle
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2:47pm Sun 26 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Quite so, John. What so many non-scholars and non-historians can seem to get to grips with is that these ancient books and scripts that are hailed as perceived, ancient wisdom and religious dogma, still believed today, were written either by anonymous authors or, as you say, by authors whose very existence is unproven. Moreover, they were written in times of great ignorance when historical events were not understood as we understand them today. Many medieval and earlier writers - of whom Shakespeare was one - wrote fantasy to please their monarchs or sponsors.

Geoffrey of Monmouth, for instance, was responsible for some of the Arthurian myth about King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table because he was writing for a medieval audience who loved elaborate tales of romance and derring-do.

It was going on in my world of genealogy in the 19th century when Burke's Peerage, the so-called bible of the aristocracy and upper classes, was riddled with false and invented pedigrees. Burke, though a genealogist, was not above taking money from the nouveau riche industrialists who wanted a nice family tree to go with their riches, not wishing the world to know they were actually born in a hovel to a labourer and his wife!
Quite so, John. What so many non-scholars and non-historians can seem to get to grips with is that these ancient books and scripts that are hailed as perceived, ancient wisdom and religious dogma, still believed today, were written either by anonymous authors or, as you say, by authors whose very existence is unproven. Moreover, they were written in times of great ignorance when historical events were not understood as we understand them today. Many medieval and earlier writers - of whom Shakespeare was one - wrote fantasy to please their monarchs or sponsors. Geoffrey of Monmouth, for instance, was responsible for some of the Arthurian myth about King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table because he was writing for a medieval audience who loved elaborate tales of romance and derring-do. It was going on in my world of genealogy in the 19th century when Burke's Peerage, the so-called bible of the aristocracy and upper classes, was riddled with false and invented pedigrees. Burke, though a genealogist, was not above taking money from the nouveau riche industrialists who wanted a nice family tree to go with their riches, not wishing the world to know they were actually born in a hovel to a labourer and his wife! Roy Stockdill
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7:29am Mon 27 May 13

Patriot14w says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
Nonsense, Bilderberg are the real power behind the phoney left /right paradigm.

Just do a bit of research and it becomes abundantly obvious that these people are trying to run the world from the shadows.

They act ONLY for their own interests, they represent modern day eugenics, fascism, and/or corporatism.

Tony Gosling (X BBC) has an excellent site dedicated to this subject.

http://www.bilderber

g.org/tonyhom.htm


Check it out, learn the truth.
Facists do not ally themselves with organisations such as Bilderberg. New Liebour did more to promote eugenics than anyone in modern history with their politically naïve policy of uncontrolled mass immigration & their hatred of the British people. Bliar attended with Clinton in 2008. Fascists would never be a part of something that entertains crypto-Stalinists. TRUTH. 14W!
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: Nonsense, Bilderberg are the real power behind the phoney left /right paradigm. Just do a bit of research and it becomes abundantly obvious that these people are trying to run the world from the shadows. They act ONLY for their own interests, they represent modern day eugenics, fascism, and/or corporatism. Tony Gosling (X BBC) has an excellent site dedicated to this subject. http://www.bilderber g.org/tonyhom.htm Check it out, learn the truth.[/p][/quote]Facists do not ally themselves with organisations such as Bilderberg. New Liebour did more to promote eugenics than anyone in modern history with their politically naïve policy of uncontrolled mass immigration & their hatred of the British people. Bliar attended with Clinton in 2008. Fascists would never be a part of something that entertains crypto-Stalinists. TRUTH. 14W! Patriot14w
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7:57am Mon 27 May 13

Patriot14w says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
Typical, some here trying to write me off as a nutter.
As a contrarian I take that as a compliment.

People call you that when you know your subject and you don't conform to the consensus.

Those people who will protest Bilderberg are the truly sane, the 'nutters' just go along with it, justifying the unjustifiable..

Far better to try to shut me with insults and lies then consider uncomfortable truths, eh?


The first chance losers get to side with a bunch of corrupt billionare policy makers, they take it.

History is replete with the Bilderberg 'type' ie unelected corporate monarchs, the robber baron class, seeing off millions to impoverishment, exile and/or early graves, what do you think has changed?

They might be more sophisticated nowadays, but power still corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Do you really think humanity has shaken off the present day equivalent to those kind of tyrants of the past?


They bring war, recently vietnam, Iraq (x2), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria just to name a few. Wars for resources.

They have more unjustifiable wars in store. The mass media who they own will pedal lies to make them happen.


Try to understand war must be paid for and bankers finance all wars.

They brought you fractional reserve banking, and with it currency devaluation, they made you bail out their bankers, then they brought you austerity to pay for it.

Austerity that has hardly even started.
Sterling has a lot more to fall, inflation you can't imagine is still to come.

They brought you legalised tourture, Preemptive wars of aggression (the 1% rule) mass surveillance, mass immigration, enforced multiculturalism, loss of sovereignty, GM crops, and much more, these things don't just happen.

They are made to happen, it doesn't matter whether you vote for the left or the right, you get THEIR agenda.

When were you ever offered a say in the things I've mentioned?

We are told 'we won' WW2, but did we? Democracy and freedom seem to be losing to corporatism these days, on whose side do you imagine the Bilderberg stand?

Some people will just keep waving their tribal flags, deluding themselves that they have a say in foreign, economic and social policy, when in REALITY it's the 'law abiding' (haha!) unelected globalist elites who really run the world, the own your politicians, media, military and all other major institutions with with it.

Think about it , consider their actions, their 'mistakes' their strange ideas that manifest into reality, who benefits, who loses?

Don't you get the feeling that they are trying to manipulate you into believing that these outrageous things are for your 'interests', or for the 'greater good', lol!!

Most of you people will come round to my way of thinking, but it will just take some time, you have so much more to lose first, perhaps they will have to take your pension, your job and your home to bring you out of your slumber, but in the end you will wake up.

Of course it will probably be too late to do anything about it by then, but do try to remember, don't say you weren't warned.

Some of us are paying attention, some of us make our living by understanding what is going on, I'm used to being called a 'nutter'.

I was told that when I was buying precious metals and commodities over a decade ago.


Here are some people who understand, who see the bigger picture, ignore them at your own peril..


Carlin

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=acLW1vFO-

2Q




Jim Rogers

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=G8bF1pWKa

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Peter Schiff

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=lYkFYdLTT

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Craig Murray

http://www.craigmurr

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013/05/the-search-fo

r-change/

Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=1w7JyIoBD

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Farrage

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=UZap5n3zG

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"Typical, some here trying to write me off as a nutter. As a contrarian I take that as a compliment. People call you that when you know your subject and you don't conform to the consensus"
****! You're probably a milkman or something equally mundane. No offence to that profession intended.
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: Typical, some here trying to write me off as a nutter. As a contrarian I take that as a compliment. People call you that when you know your subject and you don't conform to the consensus. Those people who will protest Bilderberg are the truly sane, the 'nutters' just go along with it, justifying the unjustifiable.. Far better to try to shut me with insults and lies then consider uncomfortable truths, eh? The first chance losers get to side with a bunch of corrupt billionare policy makers, they take it. History is replete with the Bilderberg 'type' ie unelected corporate monarchs, the robber baron class, seeing off millions to impoverishment, exile and/or early graves, what do you think has changed? They might be more sophisticated nowadays, but power still corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Do you really think humanity has shaken off the present day equivalent to those kind of tyrants of the past? They bring war, recently vietnam, Iraq (x2), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria just to name a few. Wars for resources. They have more unjustifiable wars in store. The mass media who they own will pedal lies to make them happen. Try to understand war must be paid for and bankers finance all wars. They brought you fractional reserve banking, and with it currency devaluation, they made you bail out their bankers, then they brought you austerity to pay for it. Austerity that has hardly even started. Sterling has a lot more to fall, inflation you can't imagine is still to come. They brought you legalised tourture, Preemptive wars of aggression (the 1% rule) mass surveillance, mass immigration, enforced multiculturalism, loss of sovereignty, GM crops, and much more, these things don't just happen. They are made to happen, it doesn't matter whether you vote for the left or the right, you get THEIR agenda. When were you ever offered a say in the things I've mentioned? We are told 'we won' WW2, but did we? Democracy and freedom seem to be losing to corporatism these days, on whose side do you imagine the Bilderberg stand? Some people will just keep waving their tribal flags, deluding themselves that they have a say in foreign, economic and social policy, when in REALITY it's the 'law abiding' (haha!) unelected globalist elites who really run the world, the own your politicians, media, military and all other major institutions with with it. Think about it , consider their actions, their 'mistakes' their strange ideas that manifest into reality, who benefits, who loses? Don't you get the feeling that they are trying to manipulate you into believing that these outrageous things are for your 'interests', or for the 'greater good', lol!! Most of you people will come round to my way of thinking, but it will just take some time, you have so much more to lose first, perhaps they will have to take your pension, your job and your home to bring you out of your slumber, but in the end you will wake up. Of course it will probably be too late to do anything about it by then, but do try to remember, don't say you weren't warned. Some of us are paying attention, some of us make our living by understanding what is going on, I'm used to being called a 'nutter'. I was told that when I was buying precious metals and commodities over a decade ago. Here are some people who understand, who see the bigger picture, ignore them at your own peril.. Carlin http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=acLW1vFO- 2Q Jim Rogers http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=G8bF1pWKa OE Peter Schiff http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=lYkFYdLTT w8 Craig Murray http://www.craigmurr ay.org.uk/archives/2 013/05/the-search-fo r-change/ Ron Paul http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=1w7JyIoBD _A Farrage http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=UZap5n3zG Z8&feature=playe r_em bedded[/p][/quote]"Typical, some here trying to write me off as a nutter. As a contrarian I take that as a compliment. People call you that when you know your subject and you don't conform to the consensus" ****! You're probably a milkman or something equally mundane. No offence to that profession intended. Patriot14w
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8:48am Mon 27 May 13

dontknowynot says...

its the fascists now, suppose we can expect mustard gas and dive bombers then, never mind we have Roy to protect us, or maybe he agrees with them.
its the fascists now, suppose we can expect mustard gas and dive bombers then, never mind we have Roy to protect us, or maybe he agrees with them. dontknowynot
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10:16am Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I've heard milkmen talk more common sense than Bilderbergsucks. I note he has nothing whatsoever to say about the fascists of the Left, Stalin, Pol Pot, the mad regime in North Korea etc.

Not to mention the "robber barons" of the trade unions who constantly held us to ransom in the 1970s and 1980s until they were smashed by Thatcher.

Mustard gas? Dive bombers? Aren't you getting a little silly now?

As I've suggested in another part of this debate, the Bilderberg lot and the protesters would be better off arranging a cricket match between the two sides. Cricket is a great leveller and a vital feature of the glue that held the British Empire together for so long. Moreover, a Watford lad called Steve Finn is also doing rather well for England currently as we thrash the New Zealanders in the 2nd Test at Headingley - where a baby-faced Yorkshire lad called Joe Root did rather well too!

Pity the Bilderberg protesters don't take up some sport or other instead of posting long, rambling diatribes about conspiracy theories. I'd take a bet that a fortnight after the Bilderberg thing at The Grove is over hardly anybody will remember it, but we all remember how gloriously Team GB performed in last summer's Olympics and how many gold medals we won, just as I am sure we will all remember for a long time if Watford win today. Good luck to them, BTW!

Sport is far more important than politics.,
I've heard milkmen talk more common sense than Bilderbergsucks. I note he has nothing whatsoever to say about the fascists of the Left, Stalin, Pol Pot, the mad regime in North Korea etc. Not to mention the "robber barons" of the trade unions who constantly held us to ransom in the 1970s and 1980s until they were smashed by Thatcher. Mustard gas? Dive bombers? Aren't you getting a little silly now? As I've suggested in another part of this debate, the Bilderberg lot and the protesters would be better off arranging a cricket match between the two sides. Cricket is a great leveller and a vital feature of the glue that held the British Empire together for so long. Moreover, a Watford lad called Steve Finn is also doing rather well for England currently as we thrash the New Zealanders in the 2nd Test at Headingley - where a baby-faced Yorkshire lad called Joe Root did rather well too! Pity the Bilderberg protesters don't take up some sport or other instead of posting long, rambling diatribes about conspiracy theories. I'd take a bet that a fortnight after the Bilderberg thing at The Grove is over hardly anybody will remember it, but we all remember how gloriously Team GB performed in last summer's Olympics and how many gold medals we won, just as I am sure we will all remember for a long time if Watford win today. Good luck to them, BTW! Sport is far more important than politics., Roy Stockdill
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10:44am Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Talking of sport, why aren't Bilderbergsucks and his chums protesting about the attempted takeover of our football clubs by oil-rich Arab sheiks (they're already more or less got horse racing)?

And why aren't they protesting outside the Saudi Arabian embassy about the appalling discrepancy in that country between the billionaire Saudi royals and their cohorts and the many desperately poor, or about the fact that women aren't allowed to be educated or drive cars in that backward state?

Isn't it curious that they only see supposed evil and conspiracy in the west?
Talking of sport, why aren't Bilderbergsucks and his chums protesting about the attempted takeover of our football clubs by oil-rich Arab sheiks (they're already more or less got horse racing)? And why aren't they protesting outside the Saudi Arabian embassy about the appalling discrepancy in that country between the billionaire Saudi royals and their cohorts and the many desperately poor, or about the fact that women aren't allowed to be educated or drive cars in that backward state? Isn't it curious that they only see supposed evil and conspiracy in the west? Roy Stockdill
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11:19am Mon 27 May 13

dontknowynot says...

utter rot from resident Roy
it is patriot14W who is apologizing for/exposing the merits of Fascism above so no it is not fanciful to identify the atrocities associated with that.
As for your take on the 70's you are wrong, the economic problems of the 70's were more to do with the disastourous Barber Boom exasperating the global problems of the oil crises'.
As for your ridiculous Cricket analogy, as I have said there is not two sides, you have the Facists/BNP/ freedom parties protesting as well as all the David Ikes etc and socialists anarchists/ occupy so just how many sides there are is a bit of a puzzle really
utter rot from resident Roy it is patriot14W who is apologizing for/exposing the merits of Fascism above so no it is not fanciful to identify the atrocities associated with that. As for your take on the 70's you are wrong, the economic problems of the 70's were more to do with the disastourous Barber Boom exasperating the global problems of the oil crises'. As for your ridiculous Cricket analogy, as I have said there is not two sides, you have the Facists/BNP/ freedom parties protesting as well as all the David Ikes etc and socialists anarchists/ occupy so just how many sides there are is a bit of a puzzle really dontknowynot
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1:56pm Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>As for your ridiculous Cricket analogy, as I have said there is not two sides, you have the Facists/BNP/ freedom parties protesting as well as all the David Ikes etc and socialists anarchists/ occupy so just how many sides there are is a bit of a puzzle really<

Well, isn't that why some of us really can't be bothered with any of it, because it seems to be attracting all the assorted nutters from various sides?
>As for your ridiculous Cricket analogy, as I have said there is not two sides, you have the Facists/BNP/ freedom parties protesting as well as all the David Ikes etc and socialists anarchists/ occupy so just how many sides there are is a bit of a puzzle really< Well, isn't that why some of us really can't be bothered with any of it, because it seems to be attracting all the assorted nutters from various sides? Roy Stockdill
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4:27pm Mon 27 May 13

dontknowynot says...

http://www.nouse.co.
uk/2013/05/26/studen
ts-and-community-uni
te-in-opposition-to-
rumoured-edl-protest
/

meanwhile never under estimate the power of a really good cup of tea and some biscuits
http://www.nouse.co. uk/2013/05/26/studen ts-and-community-uni te-in-opposition-to- rumoured-edl-protest / meanwhile never under estimate the power of a really good cup of tea and some biscuits dontknowynot
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4:46pm Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I really can't be bothered to read any more websites, I am too busy doing some vital editing of a manuscript for a book. Don't bother posting any more, please, as it's all getting rather boring.
I really can't be bothered to read any more websites, I am too busy doing some vital editing of a manuscript for a book. Don't bother posting any more, please, as it's all getting rather boring. Roy Stockdill
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4:57pm Mon 27 May 13

dontknowynot says...

then don't just take your racist bile and edit your book.
then don't just take your racist bile and edit your book. dontknowynot
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5:03pm Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Really, you Loony Lefties are quite unbelievable! Your only response to logical debate is to chuck around allegations of racism and try to prevent any opposition from having their say. Motto of the fascist Left - if you can't win the argument, then try and stop it by smearing your opponents.

If by "racist bile" you mean that I am opposed to backward Islamic regimes like Saudi Arabia that oppress women, treat them as third-class citizens and prevent them from being educated and driving cars, then I am content to plead guilty.

Really, there's nothing more to say when you make such fatuous and ignorant statements.

I hope you have a good time at this anti-Bilderberg thing. I also hope the heavens open for the whole time, at least some of the protesters will get a decent wash for once!
Really, you Loony Lefties are quite unbelievable! Your only response to logical debate is to chuck around allegations of racism and try to prevent any opposition from having their say. Motto of the fascist Left - if you can't win the argument, then try and stop it by smearing your opponents. If by "racist bile" you mean that I am opposed to backward Islamic regimes like Saudi Arabia that oppress women, treat them as third-class citizens and prevent them from being educated and driving cars, then I am content to plead guilty. Really, there's nothing more to say when you make such fatuous and ignorant statements. I hope you have a good time at this anti-Bilderberg thing. I also hope the heavens open for the whole time, at least some of the protesters will get a decent wash for once! Roy Stockdill
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6:07pm Mon 27 May 13

dontknowynot says...

you just don't get it do you;-
We don't live in Saudi
The trouble is not in Iraq, it is here, and it is increasingly caused by idiots abusing innocent people on the basis of race, some of whom are not even Muslim and none (or near enough as makes no difference) of whom have assaulted anyone in the UK.
So get a grip and stop your nonsense
you just don't get it do you;- We don't live in Saudi The trouble is not in Iraq, it is here, and it is increasingly caused by idiots abusing innocent people on the basis of race, some of whom are not even Muslim and none (or near enough as makes no difference) of whom have assaulted anyone in the UK. So get a grip and stop your nonsense dontknowynot
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6:22pm Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

So what was the cause of the soldier at Woolwich being murdered by psychopathic animals who were radicalised by an evil and poisonous movement, by preachers of hate such as Choudray? Who murdered the 52 innocent victims of the London bombings in 2007? It wasn't Methodists, Baptists, Buddhists, Hindus or Jews, was it? Or are you saying the London bombings never happened?

My principal complaint about British Muslims is that they could do far, far more to root out the cancer in their own midst and join with us in the war against terrorists. They are the ones who are suffering prejudice because of a small minority of lunatics in their own ranks that they refuse to deal with.
So what was the cause of the soldier at Woolwich being murdered by psychopathic animals who were radicalised by an evil and poisonous movement, by preachers of hate such as Choudray? Who murdered the 52 innocent victims of the London bombings in 2007? It wasn't Methodists, Baptists, Buddhists, Hindus or Jews, was it? Or are you saying the London bombings never happened? My principal complaint about British Muslims is that they could do far, far more to root out the cancer in their own midst and join with us in the war against terrorists. They are the ones who are suffering prejudice because of a small minority of lunatics in their own ranks that they refuse to deal with. Roy Stockdill
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6:23pm Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Sorry, I meant the London bombings in 2005.
Sorry, I meant the London bombings in 2005. Roy Stockdill
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6:33pm Mon 27 May 13

dontknowynot says...

utter rot you are talking about a dozen people maybe two amonge 3 million I am sorry its nonsense, you are white as am I why should we not be held accountable for the actions of Bravic it fits with your logic.
utter rot you are talking about a dozen people maybe two amonge 3 million I am sorry its nonsense, you are white as am I why should we not be held accountable for the actions of Bravic it fits with your logic. dontknowynot
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6:47pm Mon 27 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I might if I knew what it was!
I might if I knew what it was! Roy Stockdill
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6:58pm Mon 27 May 13

MarsLander says...

"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man" - Oscar Wilde.

Don't feed the trolls
"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man" - Oscar Wilde. Don't feed the trolls MarsLander
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7:29pm Mon 27 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I might if I knew what it was!
if you choose not to know thats fine, it just shows you as a fool. Whilst it may not prove that I am right, it is the case that you are using a spelling mistake to avoid the issue.
For clarity sake the issue is small minded bigots and racists jumping on the bandwagon and stirring up Islamophobic hatred, it is vile and it is what you are doing; please stop it
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I might if I knew what it was![/p][/quote]if you choose not to know thats fine, it just shows you as a fool. Whilst it may not prove that I am right, it is the case that you are using a spelling mistake to avoid the issue. For clarity sake the issue is small minded bigots and racists jumping on the bandwagon and stirring up Islamophobic hatred, it is vile and it is what you are doing; please stop it dontknowynot
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12:25pm Tue 28 May 13

garston tony says...

It seems JD has a short memory, otherwise he would recall that there is evidence for Jesus' existence such as the Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus. But anyway, thats another subject isnt it.

I see BS is no longer posting, what a shame I needed a laugh after yesterday!
It seems JD has a short memory, otherwise he would recall that there is evidence for Jesus' existence such as the Roman historians Josephus and Tacitus. But anyway, thats another subject isnt it. I see BS is no longer posting, what a shame I needed a laugh after yesterday! garston tony
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1:23pm Tue 28 May 13

John Dowdle says...

No, Tony, it is you who has the short memory. Josephus was the personal slave of Roman Emperor Vespasian and Josephus's writings are about as reliable as a history of Adolf Hitler being written by his Minister for Propaganda, Dr Joseph Goebbels. Apart from the questionable veracity of Josephus's scribblings, nowhere did he ever identify anyone called Jesus. His writings have been altered and misappropriated by all those real honest-to-goodness lying Christian clerics after him.
Tacitus had not yet been born at the time when the fictitious Jesus was supposedly alive - and then dead - and then alive again - and then dead again (if you can believe that sort of idiocy) so how can Tacitus provide any kind of verifiable text on which to judge him.
I do wish you would stop putting forward all this preposterous nonsense all the time.
It is all very well being in favour of recycling but not when what you are recycling is just plain garbage.
No, Tony, it is you who has the short memory. Josephus was the personal slave of Roman Emperor Vespasian and Josephus's writings are about as reliable as a history of Adolf Hitler being written by his Minister for Propaganda, Dr Joseph Goebbels. Apart from the questionable veracity of Josephus's scribblings, nowhere did he ever identify anyone called Jesus. His writings have been altered and misappropriated by all those real honest-to-goodness lying Christian clerics after him. Tacitus had not yet been born at the time when the fictitious Jesus was supposedly alive - and then dead - and then alive again - and then dead again (if you can believe that sort of idiocy) so how can Tacitus provide any kind of verifiable text on which to judge him. I do wish you would stop putting forward all this preposterous nonsense all the time. It is all very well being in favour of recycling but not when what you are recycling is just plain garbage. John Dowdle
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8:45am Wed 29 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Here's a war criminal who knows he's one. It's about time they round up those other globalist gangsters attending the bilderberg too.

No justice, just us..



Bush cancels Europe trip amid calls for his arrest
Amnesty International and other groups asked Swiss authorities to investigate the former president for torture

http://www.salon.com
/2011/02/07/bush_amn
esty_arrest/
Here's a war criminal who knows he's one. It's about time they round up those other globalist gangsters attending the bilderberg too. No justice, just us.. Bush cancels Europe trip amid calls for his arrest Amnesty International and other groups asked Swiss authorities to investigate the former president for torture http://www.salon.com /2011/02/07/bush_amn esty_arrest/ bilderbergsucks
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8:53am Wed 29 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

GT, you're a proper bilge artist, all the consensus nonsense you spout is quite sad coming from someone who is obviously capable of stringing a sentence together.

It's a shame you waste yourself parroting the stateist establishment line on most topics.

I won't indulge you in circular argument today, but I will concede you were correct with one point you made.

Bernhart wasn't convicted for the million dollar bribe he took.

I knew he was guilty, I knew he even admitted his criminality, but how naive of me to assume he was prosecuted for it.

Then again just that little factoid does kind of make my point, doesn't it? One law for us and no law for them.

No justice, just us...
GT, you're a proper bilge artist, all the consensus nonsense you spout is quite sad coming from someone who is obviously capable of stringing a sentence together. It's a shame you waste yourself parroting the stateist establishment line on most topics. I won't indulge you in circular argument today, but I will concede you were correct with one point you made. Bernhart wasn't convicted for the million dollar bribe he took. I knew he was guilty, I knew he even admitted his criminality, but how naive of me to assume he was prosecuted for it. Then again just that little factoid does kind of make my point, doesn't it? One law for us and no law for them. No justice, just us... bilderbergsucks
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8:59am Wed 29 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

No such thing as conspiracy wrote:
Bilderbergsucks

Why does it matter Bernhard was a Nazi? If it weren't for bringing Nazi scientists to The USA under project Paperclip, we wouldn't have NASA or access to the data from experiments these scientists did during the war. We wouldn't have had the MK Ultra studies with LSD or know the effects of diseases on the untreated.

If people were really bothered by Nazi connections we wouldn't be using IBM, Siemens, Volkswagen, Bayer, General Electric etc... No one would have trusted the Kennedy family or the Bush family considering they helped fund the Nazi war effort, and we wouldn't have the still strong devotion to the Royal Family either. Don't forget that they were supportive of the Nazis in the early stages of Hitlers reign, not to mention they are German too!

I guess I'm saying that just because certain families and corporations aided the Nazi's you can't judge them for that now. It was in the past, forget about it. Everyone else obviously has or these families and corporations wouldn't have the influence they have now.

Also Kissinger is no war criminal. He only advised the President to expand the Vietnam war into Cambodia and Laos. The president didn't have to take that advice. If only the president listened to Kissinger more, the US would have remained in Southeast Asia for another decade and we wouldn't have so much communism to deal with now.

He and Zbigniew Brzeziński may be foreign born advisors but that doesn't mean they have to catch all the flack. It's a global world and terror is fought globally now so these guys were way ahead of their time.it makes sense that presidents can come and go but you need people like Zbigniew Brzeziński and Kissinger to remain in government because they no what they are doing.

Bilderbergsucks, If you think that its hard work alone that makes you rich then you are having a laugh.

The worlds richest man is Bill Gates and he made his money by taking ideas from Apple and producing a cheaper product for mass consumption. Carlos Slim is the worlds second richest man and he made his billions from having a monopoly on the telecommunications market in Mexico. the government gave him the contract. being smart, ruthless and having connections to government will also make you rich, hell, the RICHEST. Hard work gets you no where.

Seriously if protesting did anything than Occupy would have been successful. Even with all the bail out money given to Warren Buffet and George Soros that they invested into the Occupy movement wasn't enough to change anything.

Next you'll say that billionaires funding anti-corporate protests is a conspiracy.

None of this is secret anymore. Secret societies are a joke. There is no such thing as secret societies. Just organisations with strict membership that keep secrets. A little different to some shadowy organisation that we no nothing about. Aren't these politicians and tech heads and think tanks and policy advisor and bankers allowed to keep secrets too?

Look if silly things like the out dated Logan Act are adhered to then these power brokers would never get the chance to meet like this and talk shop. How else can the ship stay on a true course. Obviously 50 years of shadow world government hasn't wiped us out yet so why complain. What are they waiting for? An escalation of the Middle East conflict to distract away from other issues like the economy or scandals in the US. mor funding of rebel groups that work with al Qaeda to bring down the last of the secular Arab governments? Militarising police and restricting the right to protest so when they come to take the money out of our bank accounts we don't resist? Now you have me thinking like a nutter!

Ps
If you want people to take what you say as truth rather than conspiracy please write FACT proceeding your point so we can determine it from the evidence you keep forcing on everyone.

No one here is going to check your links or do the research necessary to understand where these conspiracies are coming from so don't bother. Obviously only the people 'awake' like yourself concern themselves with things like that.
NSTACS..


You bring up some poignant facts , an excellent post sir..
[quote][p][bold]No such thing as conspiracy[/bold] wrote: Bilderbergsucks Why does it matter Bernhard was a Nazi? If it weren't for bringing Nazi scientists to The USA under project Paperclip, we wouldn't have NASA or access to the data from experiments these scientists did during the war. We wouldn't have had the MK Ultra studies with LSD or know the effects of diseases on the untreated. If people were really bothered by Nazi connections we wouldn't be using IBM, Siemens, Volkswagen, Bayer, General Electric etc... No one would have trusted the Kennedy family or the Bush family considering they helped fund the Nazi war effort, and we wouldn't have the still strong devotion to the Royal Family either. Don't forget that they were supportive of the Nazis in the early stages of Hitlers reign, not to mention they are German too! I guess I'm saying that just because certain families and corporations aided the Nazi's you can't judge them for that now. It was in the past, forget about it. Everyone else obviously has or these families and corporations wouldn't have the influence they have now. Also Kissinger is no war criminal. He only advised the President to expand the Vietnam war into Cambodia and Laos. The president didn't have to take that advice. If only the president listened to Kissinger more, the US would have remained in Southeast Asia for another decade and we wouldn't have so much communism to deal with now. He and Zbigniew Brzeziński may be foreign born advisors but that doesn't mean they have to catch all the flack. It's a global world and terror is fought globally now so these guys were way ahead of their time.it makes sense that presidents can come and go but you need people like Zbigniew Brzeziński and Kissinger to remain in government because they no what they are doing. Bilderbergsucks, If you think that its hard work alone that makes you rich then you are having a laugh. The worlds richest man is Bill Gates and he made his money by taking ideas from Apple and producing a cheaper product for mass consumption. Carlos Slim is the worlds second richest man and he made his billions from having a monopoly on the telecommunications market in Mexico. the government gave him the contract. being smart, ruthless and having connections to government will also make you rich, hell, the RICHEST. Hard work gets you no where. Seriously if protesting did anything than Occupy would have been successful. Even with all the bail out money given to Warren Buffet and George Soros that they invested into the Occupy movement wasn't enough to change anything. Next you'll say that billionaires funding anti-corporate protests is a conspiracy. None of this is secret anymore. Secret societies are a joke. There is no such thing as secret societies. Just organisations with strict membership that keep secrets. A little different to some shadowy organisation that we no nothing about. Aren't these politicians and tech heads and think tanks and policy advisor and bankers allowed to keep secrets too? Look if silly things like the out dated Logan Act are adhered to then these power brokers would never get the chance to meet like this and talk shop. How else can the ship stay on a true course. Obviously 50 years of shadow world government hasn't wiped us out yet so why complain. What are they waiting for? An escalation of the Middle East conflict to distract away from other issues like the economy or scandals in the US. mor funding of rebel groups that work with al Qaeda to bring down the last of the secular Arab governments? Militarising police and restricting the right to protest so when they come to take the money out of our bank accounts we don't resist? Now you have me thinking like a nutter! Ps If you want people to take what you say as truth rather than conspiracy please write FACT proceeding your point so we can determine it from the evidence you keep forcing on everyone. No one here is going to check your links or do the research necessary to understand where these conspiracies are coming from so don't bother. Obviously only the people 'awake' like yourself concern themselves with things like that.[/p][/quote]NSTACS.. You bring up some poignant facts , an excellent post sir.. bilderbergsucks
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9:13am Wed 29 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

I'm not going to post here anymore, but you will find me on this more up to date thread

http://www.watfordob
server.co.uk/news/10
442135.Blogger_s_pre
_Bilderberg_brush_wi
th_law/
I'm not going to post here anymore, but you will find me on this more up to date thread http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/10 442135.Blogger_s_pre _Bilderberg_brush_wi th_law/ bilderbergsucks
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