Police ask residents living near The Grove hotel to show photo ID during Bilderberg meeting

Watford Observer: Residents asked to show photo ID during Bilderberg meeting Residents asked to show photo ID during Bilderberg meeting

Residents living close to the Grove Hotel will have to show their passport to police officers before they can get to their homes during the upcoming Bilderberg Group meeting.

The controversial meeting will see around 150 politicians, academics, business leaders and royals descend on the Watford hotel for a secret three-day conference from June 6 to June 9.

The event is expected to attract hundreds or even thousands of protestors to the area and has prompted what appears to be an unprecedented security operation by Hertfordshire Constabulary.

With less than two weeks to go until the start of the meeting, the Watford Observer can reveal details of the police ring of steel that will surround the hotel between 6am on Thursday, June 6 and 2pm on Sunday, June 9.

Police will operate round-the-clock checkpoints on roads around the hotel including Grove Mill Lane which will be closed to all non-residential traffic for the duration of the meeting, those living on the road will be required to provide a passport, drivers licence or other form of ID.

A leaflet handed to residents shows that all footpaths and public rights of way across the land will also be suspended for the duration of the security operation.

Additionally, there will be a "proportionate police presence at all times", no pedestrian access along Hempstead Road or Langleybury Lane from the M25 spur.

Access to the rear of the hotel from Langleybury Lane will also be restricted with diversions in place.

Unsurprisingly, the additional security has caused consternation amongst residents.

"I think it’s totally outrageous and it is infringing my civil liberties," said Kevin Butcher, a Grove Mill Lane resident.

"We have never previously been asked for photo ID during any event at The Grove. We have no idea what is happening with visitors and whether they will be allowed in.

"I think people should be protesting the Bilderberg group when they come here.

"They are coming here to have a meeting which is not going to be in any way documented. We as the public should be allowed to know what is being decided."

Another resident, who asked not to be named, said: "It is a bit of an imposition but on the other hand there are going to be politicians here from all around the world so there needs to be a level of security."

Other residents were more willing to accept the additional security. Mike Yule, a consultant assessor also from Grove Mill Lane added: "They are going to close the road just to residents around the whole loop.

"I don’t see it as a problem, it is very reassuring. The officers came around last week and said their job is to stop people getting into the site, if they hadn’t come round perhaps we would be more concerned."

Although residents have been left with the impression that providing identification will be mandatory during the meeting, a Hertfordshire Constabulary spokesman told the Watford Observer the force was only advising residents to take photo ID with them and those who do not present identification would not be prevented from entering their homes.

Police are arranging a meeting for residents living in old Hempstead Road to explain how the arrival of the Bilderberg group will affect them.

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9:10am Thu 30 May 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Papers! Show me your Papers!!! Ring any bells?
Papers! Show me your Papers!!! Ring any bells? Hornets number 12 fan
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9:52am Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

The protesters are wholly to blame for this inconvenience and any other that may occur whilst they are around, the police are doing what is right in the circumstances.

The protest is based on huge made up assumptions not actual facts and protests against similar things have been regularly hijacked in recent times by those who want to be violent. Putting it on the line, its pathetic that people are protesting without any facts and its pathetic that there are small numbers of people who are willing to turn up and drag others into causing large amounts of damage and mayhem.

At the very least the protest is going to cause inconvenience to many people in Watford, at worst it could take weeks for damage caused to be fixed and either way it isnt going to make a jot of difference to these attenind these meetings and its made all the worse that the reasons for the protest against them is wholly made up!
The protesters are wholly to blame for this inconvenience and any other that may occur whilst they are around, the police are doing what is right in the circumstances. The protest is based on huge made up assumptions not actual facts and protests against similar things have been regularly hijacked in recent times by those who want to be violent. Putting it on the line, its pathetic that people are protesting without any facts and its pathetic that there are small numbers of people who are willing to turn up and drag others into causing large amounts of damage and mayhem. At the very least the protest is going to cause inconvenience to many people in Watford, at worst it could take weeks for damage caused to be fixed and either way it isnt going to make a jot of difference to these attenind these meetings and its made all the worse that the reasons for the protest against them is wholly made up! garston tony
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10:30am Thu 30 May 13

majorlee says...

the police has NO right to make these people show any ID - is this NAZI germany??

some people are starting to see it that way now.....

residents show your support together against your rights, stand up against these false elite figures
the police has NO right to make these people show any ID - is this NAZI germany?? some people are starting to see it that way now..... residents show your support together against your rights, stand up against these false elite figures majorlee
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10:37am Thu 30 May 13

drunkenduck says...

garston tony wrote:
The protesters are wholly to blame for this inconvenience and any other that may occur whilst they are around, the police are doing what is right in the circumstances.

The protest is based on huge made up assumptions not actual facts and protests against similar things have been regularly hijacked in recent times by those who want to be violent. Putting it on the line, its pathetic that people are protesting without any facts and its pathetic that there are small numbers of people who are willing to turn up and drag others into causing large amounts of damage and mayhem.

At the very least the protest is going to cause inconvenience to many people in Watford, at worst it could take weeks for damage caused to be fixed and either way it isnt going to make a jot of difference to these attenind these meetings and its made all the worse that the reasons for the protest against them is wholly made up!
What a load of b******s, the protesters are not to blame here (unless they cause damage or similar), though guess there be local ones protesting too. Blame the idiots who choose to have their event at the grove.

Everybody has the right to protest, liberty to do so - it's your human right. But sounds like you're an arrogate hypocrite, garston tony!!

Though why should these super rich idiots be treated like royalty and Police paid by Hertfordshire tax payer? They're only hiring G4S and we all know their record at the Olympics - shambles!
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: The protesters are wholly to blame for this inconvenience and any other that may occur whilst they are around, the police are doing what is right in the circumstances. The protest is based on huge made up assumptions not actual facts and protests against similar things have been regularly hijacked in recent times by those who want to be violent. Putting it on the line, its pathetic that people are protesting without any facts and its pathetic that there are small numbers of people who are willing to turn up and drag others into causing large amounts of damage and mayhem. At the very least the protest is going to cause inconvenience to many people in Watford, at worst it could take weeks for damage caused to be fixed and either way it isnt going to make a jot of difference to these attenind these meetings and its made all the worse that the reasons for the protest against them is wholly made up![/p][/quote]What a load of b******s, the protesters are not to blame here (unless they cause damage or similar), though guess there be local ones protesting too. Blame the idiots who choose to have their event at the grove. Everybody has the right to protest, liberty to do so - it's your human right. But sounds like you're an arrogate hypocrite, garston tony!! Though why should these super rich idiots be treated like royalty and Police paid by Hertfordshire tax payer? They're only hiring G4S and we all know their record at the Olympics - shambles! drunkenduck
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10:54am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

You are no better then your reactionary Mayor Roy, sucking up to the rich and powerful and full of seething contempt for ordinary people who have merely made an attempt to understand how the world really works.

If there is 'trouble' at the Bilderberg protest it will be the first time it has ever happened.

The real effect of our presence in 'your town' will be a very beneficial boost to the local economy, far more then anything those Bilderberg mob will contribute.


As for the cost of security, it's only because these modern day robber barons are very paranoid and have (quite correctly) guilty consciences that the public has to pay so much for it.

The reality of course is it's wasted money, as usual. Protesters have met this elite without their security and the worse they faced was laughter and a few justified boos and jeers..

Bilderberg Members Confronted by Protesters Outside Security Perimeter

http://www.youtube.c

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ys
You are no better then your reactionary Mayor Roy, sucking up to the rich and powerful and full of seething contempt for ordinary people who have merely made an attempt to understand how the world really works. If there is 'trouble' at the Bilderberg protest it will be the first time it has ever happened. The real effect of our presence in 'your town' will be a very beneficial boost to the local economy, far more then anything those Bilderberg mob will contribute. As for the cost of security, it's only because these modern day robber barons are very paranoid and have (quite correctly) guilty consciences that the public has to pay so much for it. The reality of course is it's wasted money, as usual. Protesters have met this elite without their security and the worse they faced was laughter and a few justified boos and jeers.. Bilderberg Members Confronted by Protesters Outside Security Perimeter http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=sTuGuc0RS ys bilderbergsucks
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10:56am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Sorry Roy, I meant to address that one to garston tony
Sorry Roy, I meant to address that one to garston tony bilderbergsucks
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11:02am Thu 30 May 13

drunkenduck says...

This is getting pathetic and sounds like this area is getting controlled by a Nazi state religion (Hertfordshire Constabulary)!!!

It's infringing everybody's civil liberties who want to pass the grove on the 'public highway'. "Police will operate round-the-clock checkpoints on roads, no pedestrian access along Hempstead Road or Langleybury Lane from the M25 spur".

Where do they expect all the traffic go then, Hempstead Road (A41) is a busy road daily and used by many including pedestrians who travel to A to B including to & from work.

Thirdly "A Hertfordshire Constabulary spokesman said the force was only advising residents to take photo ID with them and those who do not present identification would not be prevented from entering their homes". Now this is just plain STUPID!
This is getting pathetic and sounds like this area is getting controlled by a Nazi state religion (Hertfordshire Constabulary)!!! It's infringing everybody's civil liberties who want to pass the grove on the 'public highway'. "Police will operate round-the-clock checkpoints on roads, no pedestrian access along Hempstead Road or Langleybury Lane from the M25 spur". Where do they expect all the traffic go then, Hempstead Road (A41) is a busy road daily and used by many including pedestrians who travel to A to B including to & from work. Thirdly "A Hertfordshire Constabulary spokesman said the force was only advising residents to take photo ID with them and those who do not present identification would not be prevented from entering their homes". Now this is just plain STUPID! drunkenduck
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11:15am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Could the police ID and then promptly arrest this well known war criminal please?



Henry Kissinger: China, the US, and a Common Challenge



In the video below, Rockefeller protégé and operative Henry Kissinger calls for the United States and the authoritarian government of China to work together to create a globalist totalitarian government.


“The challenge is,” Kissinger told the Asia Society last week, “how to build a world order for the first time in history on a global basis. We talk a lot about world community but the fact is there has never been a world community before” and he then suggested China and the U.S. collaborate on such an effort.

David Rockefeller has paid homage to the communist Chairman Mao, the most prolific mass murderer of the 20th century (responsible for the liquidation of between 49-78,000,000 Chinese).

Rockefeller regards Mao as an ideal leader and the communist revolution and its murderous political purges as a template for world government.

“Whatever the price of the Chinese revolution , it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose… The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history,” Rockefeller wrote for the New York Times on August 10, 1973.

Rockefeller lavished praise on Mao and the communists three years before the end of the Cultural Revolution in China. Conservative estimates of the death toll exacted by Mao’s cultural purge exceed 30 million people.

Rockefeller’s trusted minion, Henry Kissinger, believes now is the time to export what Mao did in China to the entire world.


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DYdkP8#!
Could the police ID and then promptly arrest this well known war criminal please? Henry Kissinger: China, the US, and a Common Challenge In the video below, Rockefeller protégé and operative Henry Kissinger calls for the United States and the authoritarian government of China to work together to create a globalist totalitarian government. “The challenge is,” Kissinger told the Asia Society last week, “how to build a world order for the first time in history on a global basis. We talk a lot about world community but the fact is there has never been a world community before” and he then suggested China and the U.S. collaborate on such an effort. David Rockefeller has paid homage to the communist Chairman Mao, the most prolific mass murderer of the 20th century (responsible for the liquidation of between 49-78,000,000 Chinese). Rockefeller regards Mao as an ideal leader and the communist revolution and its murderous political purges as a template for world government. “Whatever the price of the Chinese revolution , it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose… The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history,” Rockefeller wrote for the New York Times on August 10, 1973. Rockefeller lavished praise on Mao and the communists three years before the end of the Cultural Revolution in China. Conservative estimates of the death toll exacted by Mao’s cultural purge exceed 30 million people. Rockefeller’s trusted minion, Henry Kissinger, believes now is the time to export what Mao did in China to the entire world. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_embedded&v=yxGFm DYdkP8#! bilderbergsucks
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11:17am Thu 30 May 13

underterraingrunter says...

From the General Info page of the Bilderberg Free Festival website.
ADMIN May 29
"More information will be announced soon regarding set times and full line up. It is NOT a protest so NO, masks, placards and megaphones are not necessary."
It's not a protest, it's just a massive free party. Look at the state of College Green in Bristol after Occupy had left to see how Cassiobury Park would look after this event if the people of Watford allowed it to go ahead.
You have a right to protest. Use it.
Stop this alcohol and drug fuelled event from taking place.
From the General Info page of the Bilderberg Free Festival website. ADMIN May 29 "More information will be announced soon regarding set times and full line up. It is NOT a protest so NO, masks, placards and megaphones are not necessary." It's not a protest, it's just a massive free party. Look at the state of College Green in Bristol after Occupy had left to see how Cassiobury Park would look after this event if the people of Watford allowed it to go ahead. You have a right to protest. Use it. Stop this alcohol and drug fuelled event from taking place. underterraingrunter
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11:35am Thu 30 May 13

watford_bob says...

Protestors and other disillusioned individuals have already tried to gain access to the hotel and its grounds. Yes, they will argue they are investigating the 'history' of the place, i.e. 'Sam', others will say they are simply exercising their right to (exercise?!) along public footpaths. One must point out that if these people are setting up an event in Cassiobury Park, they have no need to 'recce' the hotel, nor the land surrounding it. It serves no purpose. Kudos to Herts Constabulary for a tough line on this. People living nearby, yes you will be inconvenienced, as will the thousands of motorists forced onto a diversion, but its a choice of: live with a short term inconvenience, or see the area descend into a war zone, your homes and vehicles possibly damaged, noise etc. These 'protestors' aren't there to protest, they are there with one single aim - to cause as much disruption as possible, to EVERYONE involved. The more effort put into kettling them away from the event the better...
Protestors and other disillusioned individuals have already tried to gain access to the hotel and its grounds. Yes, they will argue they are investigating the 'history' of the place, i.e. 'Sam', others will say they are simply exercising their right to (exercise?!) along public footpaths. One must point out that if these people are setting up an event in Cassiobury Park, they have no need to 'recce' the hotel, nor the land surrounding it. It serves no purpose. Kudos to Herts Constabulary for a tough line on this. People living nearby, yes you will be inconvenienced, as will the thousands of motorists forced onto a diversion, but its a choice of: live with a short term inconvenience, or see the area descend into a war zone, your homes and vehicles possibly damaged, noise etc. These 'protestors' aren't there to protest, they are there with one single aim - to cause as much disruption as possible, to EVERYONE involved. The more effort put into kettling them away from the event the better... watford_bob
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11:37am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

The Guardian don't have a word to say about Bilderberg this year, the mass media are keeping very quiet, more so then usual.

Just a few articles in the local media like these, taking the ****, as usual.



Stop giggling at the back: former and future world leaders to gather in... Watford

http://www.standard.
co.uk/news/londoners
-diary/stop-giggling
-at-the-back-former-
and-future-world-lea
ders-to-gather-in-wa
tford-8635827.html


Andrew Jackson: Why I can’t believe the Bilderberg Group are that bright...

Read more: Examiner http://www.examiner.
co.uk/news/examiner-
plus/2013/05/18/andr
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-t-believe-the-bilde
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-bright-86081-333471
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The Guardian don't have a word to say about Bilderberg this year, the mass media are keeping very quiet, more so then usual. Just a few articles in the local media like these, taking the ****, as usual. Stop giggling at the back: former and future world leaders to gather in... Watford http://www.standard. co.uk/news/londoners -diary/stop-giggling -at-the-back-former- and-future-world-lea ders-to-gather-in-wa tford-8635827.html Andrew Jackson: Why I can’t believe the Bilderberg Group are that bright... Read more: Examiner http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/examiner- plus/2013/05/18/andr ew-jackson-why-i-can -t-believe-the-bilde rberg-group-are-that -bright-86081-333471 75/#ixzz2UlrYTDpX bilderbergsucks
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11:38am Thu 30 May 13

Cuetip says...

Surely there is plenty to do on the high street especially on the weekend as shown by the figures for Albert Rd and the weekly experience of nearby residents. Should we ban football games and just play cricket?

Just look at the role of a Constable

Protect life and property
Preserve order
Prevent the commission of offences
And where an offence has been committed, to take measures to bring the offender to justice
Surely there is plenty to do on the high street especially on the weekend as shown by the figures for Albert Rd and the weekly experience of nearby residents. Should we ban football games and just play cricket? Just look at the role of a Constable Protect life and property Preserve order Prevent the commission of offences And where an offence has been committed, to take measures to bring the offender to justice Cuetip
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11:41am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

June 6-9: Bilderberg Meeting behind Closed Doors. On the Agenda: Domestic Spying, Diffusing Social Protests, War on Syria and Iran

Its four-day meeting occurs annually. It’s a rite of spring. British political economist Will Hutton calls the group the “high priests of globalization.”

Powerful movers and shakers have their own agenda.They discuss key issues.

They do it year round. Once annually they meet face-to-face. They plot strategy to exploit the world’s riches. They want them for themselves.

They try to keep meeting dates, locations, and issues to be discussed secret. Word gets out. It’s official. Britain’s five-star Grove Hotel is this year’s venue. It’s a Hertfordshire, England hotel resort. It calls itself “London’s cosmopolitan country estate.”


http://www.examiner.
co.uk/news/examiner-
plus/2013/05/18/andr
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-t-believe-the-bilde
rberg-group-are-that
-bright-86081-333471
75/
June 6-9: Bilderberg Meeting behind Closed Doors. On the Agenda: Domestic Spying, Diffusing Social Protests, War on Syria and Iran Its four-day meeting occurs annually. It’s a rite of spring. British political economist Will Hutton calls the group the “high priests of globalization.” Powerful movers and shakers have their own agenda.They discuss key issues. They do it year round. Once annually they meet face-to-face. They plot strategy to exploit the world’s riches. They want them for themselves. They try to keep meeting dates, locations, and issues to be discussed secret. Word gets out. It’s official. Britain’s five-star Grove Hotel is this year’s venue. It’s a Hertfordshire, England hotel resort. It calls itself “London’s cosmopolitan country estate.” http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/examiner- plus/2013/05/18/andr ew-jackson-why-i-can -t-believe-the-bilde rberg-group-are-that -bright-86081-333471 75/ bilderbergsucks
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11:46am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

BILDERBERG 2013 TONY GOSLING

http://www.youtube.c
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BILDERBERG 2013 TONY GOSLING http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=xMi-muLdd SA bilderbergsucks
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11:52am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

BILDERBERG 2013 Transhumanist Art at The Grove Hotel

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=5S5WHXn4h
W8
BILDERBERG 2013 Transhumanist Art at The Grove Hotel http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=5S5WHXn4h W8 bilderbergsucks
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11:55am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

WeAreChange Proves Tony Blair Lied To Parliament About Bilderberg

http://www.youtube.c
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WeAreChange Proves Tony Blair Lied To Parliament About Bilderberg http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=93U_FL-Sj BI bilderbergsucks
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12:04pm Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Henry Kissinger Confronted While Receiving The Freedom Award

http://www.youtube.c
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Henry Kissinger Confronted While Receiving The Freedom Award http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=lOgiZ0PZv vA&feature=player_em bedded bilderbergsucks
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12:25pm Thu 30 May 13

MarsLander says...

Random drug tests and searches please.

No festival.

Ban alcohol in the park and streets for the period of the conference.

That should help.
Random drug tests and searches please. No festival. Ban alcohol in the park and streets for the period of the conference. That should help. MarsLander
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12:45pm Thu 30 May 13

crazyfrog says...

To ask local residents going about their own lawful business for photo I'd is taking the proverbial, what idiot dreamed that one up! No wonder people want to know what goes on at these meetings if security is that tight, people protest all the time around London, but residents don't need to carry their papers there do they? I have never heard Herts constabulary using this technique before so can only assume they have been ordered to request this from a third party, and what right have they to suspend rights of way etc? How dare these people trample on the little people's daily rights just so they can have their Masonic style secret old boys club
To ask local residents going about their own lawful business for photo I'd is taking the proverbial, what idiot dreamed that one up! No wonder people want to know what goes on at these meetings if security is that tight, people protest all the time around London, but residents don't need to carry their papers there do they? I have never heard Herts constabulary using this technique before so can only assume they have been ordered to request this from a third party, and what right have they to suspend rights of way etc? How dare these people trample on the little people's daily rights just so they can have their Masonic style secret old boys club crazyfrog
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1:25pm Thu 30 May 13

LSC says...

I agree I'm not keen on this development. I don't have any photo ID, and there is no current law saying I should.
I shan't be anywhere near the area so it won't be a problem to me, but don't blame the people at the meeting: they have to be somewhere collectively or individually. They are humans and cannot wink out of existance at will.

The fault lies 100% with the people who are ready and willing to cause them harm for just being who they are.
I agree I'm not keen on this development. I don't have any photo ID, and there is no current law saying I should. I shan't be anywhere near the area so it won't be a problem to me, but don't blame the people at the meeting: they have to be somewhere collectively or individually. They are humans and cannot wink out of existance at will. The fault lies 100% with the people who are ready and willing to cause them harm for just being who they are. LSC
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1:26pm Thu 30 May 13

Napalm Pudding says...

The Illuminati can do what they want! I didn't say that, alright....
The Illuminati can do what they want! I didn't say that, alright.... Napalm Pudding
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1:32pm Thu 30 May 13

JohnnyHornet says...

majorlee wrote:
the police has NO right to make these people show any ID - is this NAZI germany??

some people are starting to see it that way now.....

residents show your support together against your rights, stand up against these false elite figures
It will be if the electorate don't wake up and smell the coffee, we are ruled from Brussels and quite frankly they couldn't give a fig for your views, 20 more years of this and we will be a state of Europe if civil war hasn't broken out and destroyed the place. #Vote for UKIP or more lies and deceit from LibLabCon.
[quote][p][bold]majorlee[/bold] wrote: the police has NO right to make these people show any ID - is this NAZI germany?? some people are starting to see it that way now..... residents show your support together against your rights, stand up against these false elite figures[/p][/quote]It will be if the electorate don't wake up and smell the coffee, we are ruled from Brussels and quite frankly they couldn't give a fig for your views, 20 more years of this and we will be a state of Europe if civil war hasn't broken out and destroyed the place. #Vote for UKIP or more lies and deceit from LibLabCon. JohnnyHornet
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1:32pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>Although residents have been left with the impression that providing identification will be mandatory during the meeting, a Hertfordshire Constabulary spokesman told the Watford Observer the force was only advising residents to take photo ID with them and those who do not present identification would not be prevented from entering their homes.<

Much as I am against the protesters coming to Watford, I am bound to say that this statement comes across as a classic piece of muddled thinking on the part of the police. They seem to be saying one thing and meaning another!

If residents cannot provide identification but will not be prevented from entering their homes, how will the police actually know if they are residents or not? It sounds to me as if there is a danger of individual coppers being left to make it up as they go along, which will only lead to trouble.

This is one area in which I am very firmly on the side of the proponents of freedom. People on the Continent seem to accept that they can't leave their homes without having their pockets bulging with bits of paper proving their ID. Well, that is NOT the British way, not to my generation anyway. That is why we scrapped identity cards after WWII as quickly as we could.

These days it often seems impossible even to buy something in a shop or online without proving your identity. Well I, for one, object to it. I possess neither a passport nor a driving licence and the only document I have with my photo on it is my bus pass. Any copper asking me to prove who I am in my own residential road and outside my own house would get a short, sharp reply if I wasn't committing any crime! That was the one part of the video posted by the blogger Sam with which I agreed.
>Although residents have been left with the impression that providing identification will be mandatory during the meeting, a Hertfordshire Constabulary spokesman told the Watford Observer the force was only advising residents to take photo ID with them and those who do not present identification would not be prevented from entering their homes.< Much as I am against the protesters coming to Watford, I am bound to say that this statement comes across as a classic piece of muddled thinking on the part of the police. They seem to be saying one thing and meaning another! If residents cannot provide identification but will not be prevented from entering their homes, how will the police actually know if they are residents or not? It sounds to me as if there is a danger of individual coppers being left to make it up as they go along, which will only lead to trouble. This is one area in which I am very firmly on the side of the proponents of freedom. People on the Continent seem to accept that they can't leave their homes without having their pockets bulging with bits of paper proving their ID. Well, that is NOT the British way, not to my generation anyway. That is why we scrapped identity cards after WWII as quickly as we could. These days it often seems impossible even to buy something in a shop or online without proving your identity. Well I, for one, object to it. I possess neither a passport nor a driving licence and the only document I have with my photo on it is my bus pass. Any copper asking me to prove who I am in my own residential road and outside my own house would get a short, sharp reply if I wasn't committing any crime! That was the one part of the video posted by the blogger Sam with which I agreed. Roy Stockdill
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1:36pm Thu 30 May 13

JohnnyHornet says...

bilderbergsucks wrote:
June 6-9: Bilderberg Meeting behind Closed Doors. On the Agenda: Domestic Spying, Diffusing Social Protests, War on Syria and Iran

Its four-day meeting occurs annually. It’s a rite of spring. British political economist Will Hutton calls the group the “high priests of globalization.”

Powerful movers and shakers have their own agenda.They discuss key issues.

They do it year round. Once annually they meet face-to-face. They plot strategy to exploit the world’s riches. They want them for themselves.

They try to keep meeting dates, locations, and issues to be discussed secret. Word gets out. It’s official. Britain’s five-star Grove Hotel is this year’s venue. It’s a Hertfordshire, England hotel resort. It calls itself “London’s cosmopolitan country estate.”


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The high " gods " of Europe, the most dishonest, untrustworthy people you could ever wish, these are the people planning to sell the UK right down the swanny, 1000000's more immigrants, £100b more to our tax bill and we become broken Britain, Ultra socialist hell bent on making all of us poorer.
[quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: June 6-9: Bilderberg Meeting behind Closed Doors. On the Agenda: Domestic Spying, Diffusing Social Protests, War on Syria and Iran Its four-day meeting occurs annually. It’s a rite of spring. British political economist Will Hutton calls the group the “high priests of globalization.” Powerful movers and shakers have their own agenda.They discuss key issues. They do it year round. Once annually they meet face-to-face. They plot strategy to exploit the world’s riches. They want them for themselves. They try to keep meeting dates, locations, and issues to be discussed secret. Word gets out. It’s official. Britain’s five-star Grove Hotel is this year’s venue. It’s a Hertfordshire, England hotel resort. It calls itself “London’s cosmopolitan country estate.” http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/examiner- plus/2013/05/18/andr ew-jackson-why-i-can -t-believe-the-bilde rberg-group-are-that -bright-86081-333471 75/[/p][/quote]The high " gods " of Europe, the most dishonest, untrustworthy people you could ever wish, these are the people planning to sell the UK right down the swanny, 1000000's more immigrants, £100b more to our tax bill and we become broken Britain, Ultra socialist hell bent on making all of us poorer. JohnnyHornet
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1:47pm Thu 30 May 13

Deep Space says...

WANTED: Patriotic, Oath-Keeping drone pilots.
WANTED: Patriotic, Oath-Keeping drone pilots. Deep Space
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2:05pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

On a slightly different tack, I recall some years ago when I was still writing my weekly column for the paid-for Watford Observer there was much debate about when The Grove first opened it always claimed it was in London and not in Watford. So I decided to ask them!

The answer I received from their official PR spokesman (or it might have been a woman, I don't recall) was quite illuminating. I was told it was because The Grove hoped to attract visitors and business people from all over the world and nobody outside Hertfordshire knew where Watford was!!! I kid ye not, that was the official reply.
On a slightly different tack, I recall some years ago when I was still writing my weekly column for the paid-for Watford Observer there was much debate about when The Grove first opened it always claimed it was in London and not in Watford. So I decided to ask them! The answer I received from their official PR spokesman (or it might have been a woman, I don't recall) was quite illuminating. I was told it was because The Grove hoped to attract visitors and business people from all over the world and nobody outside Hertfordshire knew where Watford was!!! I kid ye not, that was the official reply. Roy Stockdill
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2:28pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
On a slightly different tack, I recall some years ago when I was still writing my weekly column for the paid-for Watford Observer there was much debate about when The Grove first opened it always claimed it was in London and not in Watford. So I decided to ask them!

The answer I received from their official PR spokesman (or it might have been a woman, I don't recall) was quite illuminating. I was told it was because The Grove hoped to attract visitors and business people from all over the world and nobody outside Hertfordshire knew where Watford was!!! I kid ye not, that was the official reply.
I fail to see what your point is here Roy, I have come to the conclusion that you just wanted to show off regarding your weekly column writing, you sad little man, get over it, it was only the WO any way!!
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: On a slightly different tack, I recall some years ago when I was still writing my weekly column for the paid-for Watford Observer there was much debate about when The Grove first opened it always claimed it was in London and not in Watford. So I decided to ask them! The answer I received from their official PR spokesman (or it might have been a woman, I don't recall) was quite illuminating. I was told it was because The Grove hoped to attract visitors and business people from all over the world and nobody outside Hertfordshire knew where Watford was!!! I kid ye not, that was the official reply.[/p][/quote]I fail to see what your point is here Roy, I have come to the conclusion that you just wanted to show off regarding your weekly column writing, you sad little man, get over it, it was only the WO any way!! WatfordBandB
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2:33pm Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

Actually majorlee the police do have the right to stop and ask you who you are. You dont have to provide ID to them but if they are suspicious of you or if the situation or area is sensitive it probably isnt a good idea not to co operate as if they have reasons to do so they do have other rights that could delay you on your journey/

But why be obstructive and difficult anyway? Yes its possibly inconvenient (but I have my driving licence on me when I am driving as should everyone) so actually no it isnt inconvenient and the police are there to protect locals just as much those in the Grove.

No one gains, certainly you dont, by being an idiot and not co operating and I find comments like yours very ill advised. Stupid in fact, very very stupid.
Actually majorlee the police do have the right to stop and ask you who you are. You dont have to provide ID to them but if they are suspicious of you or if the situation or area is sensitive it probably isnt a good idea not to co operate as if they have reasons to do so they do have other rights that could delay you on your journey/ But why be obstructive and difficult anyway? Yes its possibly inconvenient (but I have my driving licence on me when I am driving as should everyone) so actually no it isnt inconvenient and the police are there to protect locals just as much those in the Grove. No one gains, certainly you dont, by being an idiot and not co operating and I find comments like yours very ill advised. Stupid in fact, very very stupid. garston tony
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2:35pm Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

Drunkenduck, there would be no need for police if there werent people out there willing to break the law. Your 'argument' (i use that term loosely) is like saying if I get burgled its my fault for having a televion and lap top worth stealing. Havent some people been rightly shot down for claiming similarly women are to blame for getting raped if they dress provocatively?

Yes everyone has the right to protest, the police are there to prevent those protesters who want to turn that protest violent or who want to break the law in other ways from doing so. The protesters may only be there because of the meeting, but the police are only there because of errant protesters. Full circle, still the protesters 'fault' there is a need for police.

I suggest the very few pedestrians who walk along that part of Hempstead Road etc scout out the alternative routes to by pass that area which will add little if no time to your journey. And cars are still allowed along those roads, so it wont be thousands of drivers inconvenienced, just the handful that would use the back roads over a weekend.

Waddle back to your alcoholic pond please.
Drunkenduck, there would be no need for police if there werent people out there willing to break the law. Your 'argument' (i use that term loosely) is like saying if I get burgled its my fault for having a televion and lap top worth stealing. Havent some people been rightly shot down for claiming similarly women are to blame for getting raped if they dress provocatively? Yes everyone has the right to protest, the police are there to prevent those protesters who want to turn that protest violent or who want to break the law in other ways from doing so. The protesters may only be there because of the meeting, but the police are only there because of errant protesters. Full circle, still the protesters 'fault' there is a need for police. I suggest the very few pedestrians who walk along that part of Hempstead Road etc scout out the alternative routes to by pass that area which will add little if no time to your journey. And cars are still allowed along those roads, so it wont be thousands of drivers inconvenienced, just the handful that would use the back roads over a weekend. Waddle back to your alcoholic pond please. garston tony
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2:35pm Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

BS i would imagine that the Grove is getting far more of an economic boost than will be provided to the town by any incoming protesters. So actually you lose again. And maybe not specifically against Bilderberg but there is precedence to believe people protesting about what you think Bilderberg are doing (but I cant stop repeating YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF) can turn events violent and as the protest over what people assume Bilderberg do has been growing year on year so it is reasonable to assume so does the chances of some protesters turning things nasty.

Apart from posting on here, do you only spend your time on youtube? Come over any funny videos that havent gone viral yet, I have to say the stuff youve been posting links to so far is as dull as dirty dishwater.

And BS regardless of your own opinion Kissenger has not been charged and therefore not convicted of being a war criminal. As someone else quite clearly pointed out he was an advisor, other people (Presidents) made the final decision and therefore even if subsequent actions proved to be criminal it would be on those peoples heads not his.

And I ask AGAIN, why are you referring to something someone (who is nearly 100 now) said 40 years ago? What has that got to do with anything happening in Watford in a couple of weekends?
BS i would imagine that the Grove is getting far more of an economic boost than will be provided to the town by any incoming protesters. So actually you lose again. And maybe not specifically against Bilderberg but there is precedence to believe people protesting about what you think Bilderberg are doing (but I cant stop repeating YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF) can turn events violent and as the protest over what people assume Bilderberg do has been growing year on year so it is reasonable to assume so does the chances of some protesters turning things nasty. Apart from posting on here, do you only spend your time on youtube? Come over any funny videos that havent gone viral yet, I have to say the stuff youve been posting links to so far is as dull as dirty dishwater. And BS regardless of your own opinion Kissenger has not been charged and therefore not convicted of being a war criminal. As someone else quite clearly pointed out he was an advisor, other people (Presidents) made the final decision and therefore even if subsequent actions proved to be criminal it would be on those peoples heads not his. And I ask AGAIN, why are you referring to something someone (who is nearly 100 now) said 40 years ago? What has that got to do with anything happening in Watford in a couple of weekends? garston tony
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2:36pm Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

@ Cuetip.

WHAT?!
@ Cuetip. WHAT?! garston tony
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2:39pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

The point was, WatfordBandB, that a number of people have asked, not just now but in the past, why The Grove doesn't advertise that it's in Watford and claims its in London. I simply thought i would offer an explanation in the belief that some people at least might be interested.

Your comments are rather pathetic and indicative only of a bit of envy. I have less interest in your opinion of me than I have in, let's say, 17th century Peruvian pottery and other artefacts. No-one is forced to read what I write or used to write.
The point was, WatfordBandB, that a number of people have asked, not just now but in the past, why The Grove doesn't advertise that it's in Watford and claims its in London. I simply thought i would offer an explanation in the belief that some people at least might be interested. Your comments are rather pathetic and indicative only of a bit of envy. I have less interest in your opinion of me than I have in, let's say, 17th century Peruvian pottery and other artefacts. No-one is forced to read what I write or used to write. Roy Stockdill
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2:44pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Don't worry people, Garston Tony is a complete pleb...
Don't worry people, Garston Tony is a complete pleb... WatfordBandB
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2:44pm Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
bilderbergsucks wrote: June 6-9: Bilderberg Meeting behind Closed Doors. On the Agenda: Domestic Spying, Diffusing Social Protests, War on Syria and Iran Its four-day meeting occurs annually. It’s a rite of spring. British political economist Will Hutton calls the group the “high priests of globalization.” Powerful movers and shakers have their own agenda.They discuss key issues. They do it year round. Once annually they meet face-to-face. They plot strategy to exploit the world’s riches. They want them for themselves. They try to keep meeting dates, locations, and issues to be discussed secret. Word gets out. It’s official. Britain’s five-star Grove Hotel is this year’s venue. It’s a Hertfordshire, England hotel resort. It calls itself “London’s cosmopolitan country estate.” http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/examiner- plus/2013/05/18/andr ew-jackson-why-i-can -t-believe-the-bilde rberg-group-are-that -bright-86081-333471 75/
The high &quot; gods " of Europe, the most dishonest, untrustworthy people you could ever wish, these are the people planning to sell the UK right down the swanny, 1000000's more immigrants, £100b more to our tax bill and we become broken Britain, Ultra socialist hell bent on making all of us poorer.
I cant tell if youre being serious or sarcastic.

I agree to a point about European politicians etc but even ultra socialist realise there cause isnt helped if there is no money. If this is a serious claim why dont people think through their fantastical ideas before they regurgitate them to the public? Because even if there was a ultra socialist conspiracy the fact that the EU is desperatately trying to keep Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland etc afloat shows you're talking rubbish about them wanting countries bankrupt. Which means that either there isnt a ultra socialist conspiracy or if there is they have no actual power or supports making your claim rubbish on either point.

I really do hope you were joking! But seriously, none of the claims that are being made make sense or stack up to what is actually happening in the world
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bilderbergsucks[/bold] wrote: June 6-9: Bilderberg Meeting behind Closed Doors. On the Agenda: Domestic Spying, Diffusing Social Protests, War on Syria and Iran Its four-day meeting occurs annually. It’s a rite of spring. British political economist Will Hutton calls the group the “high priests of globalization.” Powerful movers and shakers have their own agenda.They discuss key issues. They do it year round. Once annually they meet face-to-face. They plot strategy to exploit the world’s riches. They want them for themselves. They try to keep meeting dates, locations, and issues to be discussed secret. Word gets out. It’s official. Britain’s five-star Grove Hotel is this year’s venue. It’s a Hertfordshire, England hotel resort. It calls itself “London’s cosmopolitan country estate.” http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/examiner- plus/2013/05/18/andr ew-jackson-why-i-can -t-believe-the-bilde rberg-group-are-that -bright-86081-333471 75/[/p][/quote]The high " gods " of Europe, the most dishonest, untrustworthy people you could ever wish, these are the people planning to sell the UK right down the swanny, 1000000's more immigrants, £100b more to our tax bill and we become broken Britain, Ultra socialist hell bent on making all of us poorer.[/p][/quote]I cant tell if youre being serious or sarcastic. I agree to a point about European politicians etc but even ultra socialist realise there cause isnt helped if there is no money. If this is a serious claim why dont people think through their fantastical ideas before they regurgitate them to the public? Because even if there was a ultra socialist conspiracy the fact that the EU is desperatately trying to keep Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland etc afloat shows you're talking rubbish about them wanting countries bankrupt. Which means that either there isnt a ultra socialist conspiracy or if there is they have no actual power or supports making your claim rubbish on either point. I really do hope you were joking! But seriously, none of the claims that are being made make sense or stack up to what is actually happening in the world garston tony
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2:47pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
The point was, WatfordBandB, that a number of people have asked, not just now but in the past, why The Grove doesn't advertise that it's in Watford and claims its in London. I simply thought i would offer an explanation in the belief that some people at least might be interested.

Your comments are rather pathetic and indicative only of a bit of envy. I have less interest in your opinion of me than I have in, let's say, 17th century Peruvian pottery and other artefacts. No-one is forced to read what I write or used to write.
I see clearly that I was correct in my assuption by your response. Is retirement boring Roy?, it must be because of all the frivolous drivvel you insist on writing...
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: The point was, WatfordBandB, that a number of people have asked, not just now but in the past, why The Grove doesn't advertise that it's in Watford and claims its in London. I simply thought i would offer an explanation in the belief that some people at least might be interested. Your comments are rather pathetic and indicative only of a bit of envy. I have less interest in your opinion of me than I have in, let's say, 17th century Peruvian pottery and other artefacts. No-one is forced to read what I write or used to write.[/p][/quote]I see clearly that I was correct in my assuption by your response. Is retirement boring Roy?, it must be because of all the frivolous drivvel you insist on writing... WatfordBandB
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2:49pm Thu 30 May 13

VascoDeGama says...

Don't these Bildergergers have an extinct volcano lair that they can have their meetings at?
Don't these Bildergergers have an extinct volcano lair that they can have their meetings at? VascoDeGama
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2:52pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Actually, Tony, this is about the only area in which I have a tiny smidgeon of sympathy for the protesters, as I said above. I would certainly object to a police officer asking me for identity purely to gain entrance to my own road. I would give him my address and then tell him to go and look it up in the electoral register!

There is too much demanding of ID these days. Some time ago I had to go to Barclays Bank in Watford to give a specimen signature to become a signatory to sign cheques for a little family history group of which I am chairman. I do not have an account with Barclays but our treasurer was opening the account at his branch in Croydon. A somewhat arrogant young man at Barclays Watford told me I had to prove my identity and the only thing he would accept was a passport or driving licence. I told him I didn't drive and I had given up my passport because I don't travel any more and thus didn't see why I should pay good money for a new one which I had no intention of using. He told me quite rudely "to get your ID updated or there's nothing we can do".

Of course, I made a fuss about it! I got onto Barclays' head office to complain and they confirmed that there were other forms of ID they would accept, like a council tax bill or some other utility bill. I went back to Barclays Watford the next day and complained to the lady manager about the young man's attitude. She assured me he would be spoken to, and then she quite happily accepted my alternative ID, i.e. utility bills, and did the paperwork.

People of my generation dislike having constantly to prove who they are and I refuse to accept it. I believe you do have to stand up for one's rights sometimes and, as I said, this is the only area in which i have some sympathy for the Bilderberg protesters, much as I think they are naive and misguided.
Actually, Tony, this is about the only area in which I have a tiny smidgeon of sympathy for the protesters, as I said above. I would certainly object to a police officer asking me for identity purely to gain entrance to my own road. I would give him my address and then tell him to go and look it up in the electoral register! There is too much demanding of ID these days. Some time ago I had to go to Barclays Bank in Watford to give a specimen signature to become a signatory to sign cheques for a little family history group of which I am chairman. I do not have an account with Barclays but our treasurer was opening the account at his branch in Croydon. A somewhat arrogant young man at Barclays Watford told me I had to prove my identity and the only thing he would accept was a passport or driving licence. I told him I didn't drive and I had given up my passport because I don't travel any more and thus didn't see why I should pay good money for a new one which I had no intention of using. He told me quite rudely "to get your ID updated or there's nothing we can do". Of course, I made a fuss about it! I got onto Barclays' head office to complain and they confirmed that there were other forms of ID they would accept, like a council tax bill or some other utility bill. I went back to Barclays Watford the next day and complained to the lady manager about the young man's attitude. She assured me he would be spoken to, and then she quite happily accepted my alternative ID, i.e. utility bills, and did the paperwork. People of my generation dislike having constantly to prove who they are and I refuse to accept it. I believe you do have to stand up for one's rights sometimes and, as I said, this is the only area in which i have some sympathy for the Bilderberg protesters, much as I think they are naive and misguided. Roy Stockdill
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2:58pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Actually, WatfordBandB, you must be rather ignorant if you don't realise that I am NOT retired. After leaving newspapers I turned my long-time hobby of genealogy into a second career and I am now busier than I ever was, writing for magazines, doing on online blog for the website Findmypast, editing and proof-reading books and serving on committees in the genealogical world. If you care to Google my name you will find, literally, thousands of references to me. I flatter myself that I am among the best-known genealogists in the UK.

I will never retire because I am one of those people who enjoys work and especially writing. It takes me only moments to compose and submit a reply to this website, especially when the pathetic comments of some of the cretinous contributors here such as yourself are so pathetic! I am never bored because i have too much to do and too many hobbies to pursue.
Actually, WatfordBandB, you must be rather ignorant if you don't realise that I am NOT retired. After leaving newspapers I turned my long-time hobby of genealogy into a second career and I am now busier than I ever was, writing for magazines, doing on online blog for the website Findmypast, editing and proof-reading books and serving on committees in the genealogical world. If you care to Google my name you will find, literally, thousands of references to me. I flatter myself that I am among the best-known genealogists in the UK. I will never retire because I am one of those people who enjoys work and especially writing. It takes me only moments to compose and submit a reply to this website, especially when the pathetic comments of some of the cretinous contributors here such as yourself are so pathetic! I am never bored because i have too much to do and too many hobbies to pursue. Roy Stockdill
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3:05pm Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

WatfordBandB wrote:
Don't worry people, Garston Tony is a complete pleb...
I am an ordinary person so in essence you are quite right, I am a commoner. As are most of the posters on here I would imagine.

Not much of a put down if that was what you were attempting.

Of course if it was meant as an insult then i'd ask why thinking logically and not jumping on the assumption band wagon like those against Bilderberg have done warrants it?

Now if I wanted to be insulting in return i wouldnt have written the above, i'd probably have settled for calling you pig muck ignorant or something along those lines
[quote][p][bold]WatfordBandB[/bold] wrote: Don't worry people, Garston Tony is a complete pleb...[/p][/quote]I am an ordinary person so in essence you are quite right, I am a commoner. As are most of the posters on here I would imagine. Not much of a put down if that was what you were attempting. Of course if it was meant as an insult then i'd ask why thinking logically and not jumping on the assumption band wagon like those against Bilderberg have done warrants it? Now if I wanted to be insulting in return i wouldnt have written the above, i'd probably have settled for calling you pig muck ignorant or something along those lines garston tony
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3:07pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

WatfordBandB - enter "Roy Stockdill+genealogy" into Google (assuming you know how to use Google) and you will come up with 15,600 results in 22 seconds. And that is without entering the various other permutations concerning my name.

I wonder how many entries I would find on you if you had the courage to give your real name? My favourite quotation, which I always put at the bottom of all my e-mail messages, is one of Oscar Wilde's: "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."

I enjoy being well-known and I also enjoy indulging in banter with semi-literate and envious cretins! If that is a problem to you, well it's your problem and not mine because nothing you or anyone else can say will stop me from posting. I'm a born-and-bred, died-in-the-wool Yorkshireman and insults roll off me like discarding a pair of old socks!
WatfordBandB - enter "Roy Stockdill+genealogy" into Google (assuming you know how to use Google) and you will come up with 15,600 results in 22 seconds. And that is without entering the various other permutations concerning my name. I wonder how many entries I would find on you if you had the courage to give your real name? My favourite quotation, which I always put at the bottom of all my e-mail messages, is one of Oscar Wilde's: "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." I enjoy being well-known and I also enjoy indulging in banter with semi-literate and envious cretins! If that is a problem to you, well it's your problem and not mine because nothing you or anyone else can say will stop me from posting. I'm a born-and-bred, died-in-the-wool Yorkshireman and insults roll off me like discarding a pair of old socks! Roy Stockdill
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3:11pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Garston Tony and I may not always agree - indeed, we rarely do - but one thing he isn't is a pleb. He usually posts intelligent responses here, usually quite well written.

The true plebs here are those like yourself who are to stupid they can think of nothing clever to write, so they just hurl insults!
Garston Tony and I may not always agree - indeed, we rarely do - but one thing he isn't is a pleb. He usually posts intelligent responses here, usually quite well written. The true plebs here are those like yourself who are to stupid they can think of nothing clever to write, so they just hurl insults! Roy Stockdill
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3:15pm Thu 30 May 13

drunkenduck says...

garston tony wrote:
Drunkenduck, there would be no need for police if there werent people out there willing to break the law. Your 'argument' (i use that term loosely) is like saying if I get burgled its my fault for having a televion and lap top worth stealing. Havent some people been rightly shot down for claiming similarly women are to blame for getting raped if they dress provocatively?

Yes everyone has the right to protest, the police are there to prevent those protesters who want to turn that protest violent or who want to break the law in other ways from doing so. The protesters may only be there because of the meeting, but the police are only there because of errant protesters. Full circle, still the protesters 'fault' there is a need for police.

I suggest the very few pedestrians who walk along that part of Hempstead Road etc scout out the alternative routes to by pass that area which will add little if no time to your journey. And cars are still allowed along those roads, so it wont be thousands of drivers inconvenienced, just the handful that would use the back roads over a weekend.

Waddle back to your alcoholic pond please.
Garston Tony you can't blame the protesters "if" someone else decides to break the law - D'er!!

Your 'argument' (I use that term loosely in reply) is like saying if there was a protest in town & your house got burgled. Then it's the protesters fault.

Now how pathetic and stupid are you comparing this event to "rape" cases and women dress provocatively?
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Drunkenduck, there would be no need for police if there werent people out there willing to break the law. Your 'argument' (i use that term loosely) is like saying if I get burgled its my fault for having a televion and lap top worth stealing. Havent some people been rightly shot down for claiming similarly women are to blame for getting raped if they dress provocatively? Yes everyone has the right to protest, the police are there to prevent those protesters who want to turn that protest violent or who want to break the law in other ways from doing so. The protesters may only be there because of the meeting, but the police are only there because of errant protesters. Full circle, still the protesters 'fault' there is a need for police. I suggest the very few pedestrians who walk along that part of Hempstead Road etc scout out the alternative routes to by pass that area which will add little if no time to your journey. And cars are still allowed along those roads, so it wont be thousands of drivers inconvenienced, just the handful that would use the back roads over a weekend. Waddle back to your alcoholic pond please.[/p][/quote]Garston Tony you can't blame the protesters "if" someone else decides to break the law - D'er!! Your 'argument' (I use that term loosely in reply) is like saying if there was a protest in town & your house got burgled. Then it's the protesters fault. Now how pathetic and stupid are you comparing this event to "rape" cases and women dress provocatively? drunkenduck
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3:21pm Thu 30 May 13

neilaF says...

there is some serious questions regarding this bilderbeg group. Does no one remember a few years back that even the mere mention of the group would have you "icked". The denial was strong to put it mildly. Now thanks to people that wouldn't back down and the internet we now know for sure that they do in fact exist. I don't recall any apology for the people that were lampooned over breaking the story. Anyway now it seems we should just look the other way. No conflict of interest here they say..(if you believe that you believe anything). Just some lowly heads and states and billionaires meeting in now only partly private circumstances for some tea in biscuits. lets us not forget that these sort of meetings are deemed illegal and this point seems to have been shoved under the carpet.

p.s. tony garston is a cop or a troll or paid shill for the group themselves. his post reeks of a love for authority and the elite. perhaps he is one of them. he dof protest far to much about the legitimacy of the bilderberg group.
there is some serious questions regarding this bilderbeg group. Does no one remember a few years back that even the mere mention of the group would have you "icked". The denial was strong to put it mildly. Now thanks to people that wouldn't back down and the internet we now know for sure that they do in fact exist. I don't recall any apology for the people that were lampooned over breaking the story. Anyway now it seems we should just look the other way. No conflict of interest here they say..(if you believe that you believe anything). Just some lowly heads and states and billionaires meeting in now only partly private circumstances for some tea in biscuits. lets us not forget that these sort of meetings are deemed illegal and this point seems to have been shoved under the carpet. p.s. tony garston is a cop or a troll or paid shill for the group themselves. his post reeks of a love for authority and the elite. perhaps he is one of them. he dof protest far to much about the legitimacy of the bilderberg group. neilaF
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3:22pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>Garston Tony you can't blame the protesters "if" someone else decides to break the law - D'er!!<

I keep seeing here mentions that the Bilderberg conference is somehow illegal? Where precisely is the illegality?

People have conferences all over Britain in posh hotels and other venues every day of the week. Are they illegal too? Are my meetings of the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists illegal because we meet in private and don't invite outsiders and non-members? As far as I'm aware, every private company, organisation and charity in the land holds meetings and conferences that aren't open to outsiders.

If someone thinks the Bilderberg conference is illegal, then why not make a formal complaint to the police and spell out the nature of the illegality?
>Garston Tony you can't blame the protesters "if" someone else decides to break the law - D'er!!< I keep seeing here mentions that the Bilderberg conference is somehow illegal? Where precisely is the illegality? People have conferences all over Britain in posh hotels and other venues every day of the week. Are they illegal too? Are my meetings of the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists illegal because we meet in private and don't invite outsiders and non-members? As far as I'm aware, every private company, organisation and charity in the land holds meetings and conferences that aren't open to outsiders. If someone thinks the Bilderberg conference is illegal, then why not make a formal complaint to the police and spell out the nature of the illegality? Roy Stockdill
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3:30pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>lets us not forget that these sort of meetings are deemed illegal<

Who has deemed this or any other meeting illegal? It matters not whether the attendees are millionaires and powerful politicians or Boy Scouts and Girl Guides! Or are you saying that BECAUSE they are powerful people they don't have the same rights as the rest of us? Really, this whole debate reeks of envy, bile and hatred from sad little people who simply want to protest about something, even if they don't quite understand what it is they are protesting about. You remind me of children lashing out wildly with their little fists in the playground, hoping to hit anybody within range!

As I said above, if you think the conference is illegal, then I suggest making a formal complaint to the police, spelling out the precise nature of the illegality, and ask them to investigate. Tell them under what law you think the Bilderberg conference is illegal and they must be obliged to look into it.
>lets us not forget that these sort of meetings are deemed illegal< Who has deemed this or any other meeting illegal? It matters not whether the attendees are millionaires and powerful politicians or Boy Scouts and Girl Guides! Or are you saying that BECAUSE they are powerful people they don't have the same rights as the rest of us? Really, this whole debate reeks of envy, bile and hatred from sad little people who simply want to protest about something, even if they don't quite understand what it is they are protesting about. You remind me of children lashing out wildly with their little fists in the playground, hoping to hit anybody within range! As I said above, if you think the conference is illegal, then I suggest making a formal complaint to the police, spelling out the precise nature of the illegality, and ask them to investigate. Tell them under what law you think the Bilderberg conference is illegal and they must be obliged to look into it. Roy Stockdill
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3:40pm Thu 30 May 13

neilaF says...

I, like a lot of people always assumed that politicians had to be transparent with there dealings with private bushiness. If this is not a law it should be. If a so called representative of our government is going to be attending i want to know what was discussed. Remember they work for us.

I like how you choose to ignore the fact that the group used to be denied of even existing.

Roy people like you will only see what you want to see. Its to much for your belief system to even look at this objectively. But i can see the cracks round the little bubble your trapped in there.
I, like a lot of people always assumed that politicians had to be transparent with there dealings with private bushiness. If this is not a law it should be. If a so called representative of our government is going to be attending i want to know what was discussed. Remember they work for us. I like how you choose to ignore the fact that the group used to be denied of even existing. Roy people like you will only see what you want to see. Its to much for your belief system to even look at this objectively. But i can see the cracks round the little bubble your trapped in there. neilaF
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3:51pm Thu 30 May 13

drunkenduck says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Garston Tony you can't blame the protesters &quot;if" someone else decides to break the law - D'er!!&lt;

I keep seeing here mentions that the Bilderberg conference is somehow illegal? Where precisely is the illegality?

People have conferences all over Britain in posh hotels and other venues every day of the week. Are they illegal too? Are my meetings of the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists illegal because we meet in private and don't invite outsiders and non-members? As far as I'm aware, every private company, organisation and charity in the land holds meetings and conferences that aren't open to outsiders.

If someone thinks the Bilderberg conference is illegal, then why not make a formal complaint to the police and spell out the nature of the illegality?
Roy Stockdill , didn't say nothing about the Bilderberg conference been illegal.

But saying that when was the last time that you went to a meeting and all the surrounding roads, lanes etc was patrolled by the Police and properly stop & getting ask for your ID. Because what was happening 'within and attending' your meeting?

So the answer is more likely to be none, so why should this meeting be any difference?
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Garston Tony you can't blame the protesters "if" someone else decides to break the law - D'er!!< I keep seeing here mentions that the Bilderberg conference is somehow illegal? Where precisely is the illegality? People have conferences all over Britain in posh hotels and other venues every day of the week. Are they illegal too? Are my meetings of the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists illegal because we meet in private and don't invite outsiders and non-members? As far as I'm aware, every private company, organisation and charity in the land holds meetings and conferences that aren't open to outsiders. If someone thinks the Bilderberg conference is illegal, then why not make a formal complaint to the police and spell out the nature of the illegality?[/p][/quote]Roy Stockdill , didn't say nothing about the Bilderberg conference been illegal. But saying that when was the last time that you went to a meeting and all the surrounding roads, lanes etc was patrolled by the Police and properly stop & getting ask for your ID. Because what was happening 'within and attending' your meeting? So the answer is more likely to be none, so why should this meeting be any difference? drunkenduck
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3:51pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

So you are suggesting that the Cabinet should publish the full minutes of their meetings and discussions after every meeting, even when matters of national security are being debated?

Perhaps Churchill should have published Cabinet minutes during WWII in order that Adolf Hitler should be aware of everything we were doing! Or Maggie Thatcher should have been open during the Falklands War and told the Argies how many ships and men we were sending?

For pete's sake grow up and be realistic! I'm not the one who lives in a bubble, it is you with your obvious bile and envy to anyone you assume to be better off than you are.
So you are suggesting that the Cabinet should publish the full minutes of their meetings and discussions after every meeting, even when matters of national security are being debated? Perhaps Churchill should have published Cabinet minutes during WWII in order that Adolf Hitler should be aware of everything we were doing! Or Maggie Thatcher should have been open during the Falklands War and told the Argies how many ships and men we were sending? For pete's sake grow up and be realistic! I'm not the one who lives in a bubble, it is you with your obvious bile and envy to anyone you assume to be better off than you are. Roy Stockdill
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3:52pm Thu 30 May 13

Sara says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
On a slightly different tack, I recall some years ago when I was still writing my weekly column for the paid-for Watford Observer there was much debate about when The Grove first opened it always claimed it was in London and not in Watford. So I decided to ask them!

The answer I received from their official PR spokesman (or it might have been a woman, I don't recall) was quite illuminating. I was told it was because The Grove hoped to attract visitors and business people from all over the world and nobody outside Hertfordshire knew where Watford was!!! I kid ye not, that was the official reply.
The Grove is of course not in Watford either, any more than Warner Bros...
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: On a slightly different tack, I recall some years ago when I was still writing my weekly column for the paid-for Watford Observer there was much debate about when The Grove first opened it always claimed it was in London and not in Watford. So I decided to ask them! The answer I received from their official PR spokesman (or it might have been a woman, I don't recall) was quite illuminating. I was told it was because The Grove hoped to attract visitors and business people from all over the world and nobody outside Hertfordshire knew where Watford was!!! I kid ye not, that was the official reply.[/p][/quote]The Grove is of course not in Watford either, any more than Warner Bros... Sara
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3:56pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>But saying that when was the last time that you went to a meeting and all the surrounding roads, lanes etc was patrolled by the Police and properly stop & getting ask for your ID.<

I would imagine something like that happens every time the Queen opens parliament or some royal bigwig is attending somewhere or other. If, say, Prince Charles attended a meeting or a dinner at Watford Town Hall, do you imagine there wouldn't be a strong police presence and that attendees would be asked to produce their invitations and ID? That is a quite different thing from being asked to show ID to gain entrance to one's own residential road.

In any society there have to be checks and balances.
>But saying that when was the last time that you went to a meeting and all the surrounding roads, lanes etc was patrolled by the Police and properly stop & getting ask for your ID.< I would imagine something like that happens every time the Queen opens parliament or some royal bigwig is attending somewhere or other. If, say, Prince Charles attended a meeting or a dinner at Watford Town Hall, do you imagine there wouldn't be a strong police presence and that attendees would be asked to produce their invitations and ID? That is a quite different thing from being asked to show ID to gain entrance to one's own residential road. In any society there have to be checks and balances. Roy Stockdill
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4:00pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Sara is right but I'm afraid this will always be one of the things that Watford suffers from! I think I am right in saying that both The Grove and Leavesden Studios are in Three Rivers area - but even fewer people would know where on earth that is than know where Watford is!
Sara is right but I'm afraid this will always be one of the things that Watford suffers from! I think I am right in saying that both The Grove and Leavesden Studios are in Three Rivers area - but even fewer people would know where on earth that is than know where Watford is! Roy Stockdill
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4:01pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Garston Tony and I may not always agree - indeed, we rarely do - but one thing he isn't is a pleb. He usually posts intelligent responses here, usually quite well written.

The true plebs here are those like yourself who are to stupid they can think of nothing clever to write, so they just hurl insults!
So what you write is clever is it? Come on then Roy you moran, impress me, I'm waiting to read something clever!!
Twit.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Garston Tony and I may not always agree - indeed, we rarely do - but one thing he isn't is a pleb. He usually posts intelligent responses here, usually quite well written. The true plebs here are those like yourself who are to stupid they can think of nothing clever to write, so they just hurl insults![/p][/quote]So what you write is clever is it? Come on then Roy you moran, impress me, I'm waiting to read something clever!! Twit. WatfordBandB
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4:04pm Thu 30 May 13

neilaF says...

Roy please do not assume that everyone that is questioning this group is just solely jealous of the super rich...like you i live quite a nice life thank you and want for nothing. im sorry my need to question the important things in life is offending you so much that for not the first time in the last cpl of days you have to resort to name calling.. if you cant discuss with accord maybe you should leave the debate to those with more humility.
Roy please do not assume that everyone that is questioning this group is just solely jealous of the super rich...like you i live quite a nice life thank you and want for nothing. im sorry my need to question the important things in life is offending you so much that for not the first time in the last cpl of days you have to resort to name calling.. if you cant discuss with accord maybe you should leave the debate to those with more humility. neilaF
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4:05pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Well, if I were you old son, I would learn first how to spell MORON. You are so pathetic I really cannot be bothered with replying to your childish insults any longer, so I wouldn't bother posting any more.

Truly, envy is not a particularly nice sin. I have had probably millions of word published in newspapers, magazines, books and online. What have you published?
Well, if I were you old son, I would learn first how to spell MORON. You are so pathetic I really cannot be bothered with replying to your childish insults any longer, so I wouldn't bother posting any more. Truly, envy is not a particularly nice sin. I have had probably millions of word published in newspapers, magazines, books and online. What have you published? Roy Stockdill
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4:08pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Well, if I were you old son, I would learn first how to spell MORON. You are so pathetic I really cannot be bothered with replying to your childish insults any longer, so I wouldn't bother posting any more.

Truly, envy is not a particularly nice sin. I have had probably millions of word published in newspapers, magazines, books and online. What have you published?
Tell someone that cares Roy, or should I call you Victor Meldrew?
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Well, if I were you old son, I would learn first how to spell MORON. You are so pathetic I really cannot be bothered with replying to your childish insults any longer, so I wouldn't bother posting any more. Truly, envy is not a particularly nice sin. I have had probably millions of word published in newspapers, magazines, books and online. What have you published?[/p][/quote]Tell someone that cares Roy, or should I call you Victor Meldrew? WatfordBandB
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4:13pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

nellaF - you sound to me rather like one of those comfortably-off middle class ladies who like to show the world they have a conscience because probably it gives them a nice, warm fuzzy glow and they can feel all sanctimonious and self righteous about it. I bet you read Pollyanna Toynbee!

Me, I don't join things (except genealogical bodies of people who share my professional interests), I don't believe in causes, I don't have much of a conscience about those who are worse off than me and I certainly don't join protests. Probably the only thing I might join a protest about is if the price of red wine was doubled overnight!

The only time I've ever stood on a picket line was just once way back in the 1970s when I was an NUJ officer in Fleet Street and we walked out for a few days in a pay dispute with Rupert Murdoch. It wasn't an experience I enjoyed very much, especially in having to try and persuade good mates not to go into work.
nellaF - you sound to me rather like one of those comfortably-off middle class ladies who like to show the world they have a conscience because probably it gives them a nice, warm fuzzy glow and they can feel all sanctimonious and self righteous about it. I bet you read Pollyanna Toynbee! Me, I don't join things (except genealogical bodies of people who share my professional interests), I don't believe in causes, I don't have much of a conscience about those who are worse off than me and I certainly don't join protests. Probably the only thing I might join a protest about is if the price of red wine was doubled overnight! The only time I've ever stood on a picket line was just once way back in the 1970s when I was an NUJ officer in Fleet Street and we walked out for a few days in a pay dispute with Rupert Murdoch. It wasn't an experience I enjoyed very much, especially in having to try and persuade good mates not to go into work. Roy Stockdill
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4:15pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Well, if I were you old son, I would learn first how to spell MORON. You are so pathetic I really cannot be bothered with replying to your childish insults any longer, so I wouldn't bother posting any more.

Truly, envy is not a particularly nice sin. I have had probably millions of word published in newspapers, magazines, books and online. What have you published?
Here you are so busy talking on your favourite subject, yourself, that you use the word "Word" in its singular form, should you not have been using it in it's plural form?

MORON!!
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Well, if I were you old son, I would learn first how to spell MORON. You are so pathetic I really cannot be bothered with replying to your childish insults any longer, so I wouldn't bother posting any more. Truly, envy is not a particularly nice sin. I have had probably millions of word published in newspapers, magazines, books and online. What have you published?[/p][/quote]Here you are so busy talking on your favourite subject, yourself, that you use the word "Word" in its singular form, should you not have been using it in it's plural form? MORON!! WatfordBandB
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4:16pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
nellaF - you sound to me rather like one of those comfortably-off middle class ladies who like to show the world they have a conscience because probably it gives them a nice, warm fuzzy glow and they can feel all sanctimonious and self righteous about it. I bet you read Pollyanna Toynbee!

Me, I don't join things (except genealogical bodies of people who share my professional interests), I don't believe in causes, I don't have much of a conscience about those who are worse off than me and I certainly don't join protests. Probably the only thing I might join a protest about is if the price of red wine was doubled overnight!

The only time I've ever stood on a picket line was just once way back in the 1970s when I was an NUJ officer in Fleet Street and we walked out for a few days in a pay dispute with Rupert Murdoch. It wasn't an experience I enjoyed very much, especially in having to try and persuade good mates not to go into work.
Here we have Roy talking about himself once more..

Its shocking, truly I tell you.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: nellaF - you sound to me rather like one of those comfortably-off middle class ladies who like to show the world they have a conscience because probably it gives them a nice, warm fuzzy glow and they can feel all sanctimonious and self righteous about it. I bet you read Pollyanna Toynbee! Me, I don't join things (except genealogical bodies of people who share my professional interests), I don't believe in causes, I don't have much of a conscience about those who are worse off than me and I certainly don't join protests. Probably the only thing I might join a protest about is if the price of red wine was doubled overnight! The only time I've ever stood on a picket line was just once way back in the 1970s when I was an NUJ officer in Fleet Street and we walked out for a few days in a pay dispute with Rupert Murdoch. It wasn't an experience I enjoyed very much, especially in having to try and persuade good mates not to go into work.[/p][/quote]Here we have Roy talking about himself once more.. Its shocking, truly I tell you. WatfordBandB
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4:23pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Probably this is something only another professional writer and author would ever understand, but even after more than half a century of earning my living as a writer I still love seeing my name and photograph in print! I never get bored with it and, even as I write this, I am checking the final proofs of a major six-page article which is being published in a magazine next month. I enjoy it even more when the cheque arrives!

Yes, I also like talking about myself, never disputed it. If you've got a trumpet when not blow it? As I said earlier, it really is your problem and not mine if it upsets you so much. Those who know me better than you obviously do will tell you that the more you insult me the better I enjoy it because I enjoy winding idiots up!!!
Probably this is something only another professional writer and author would ever understand, but even after more than half a century of earning my living as a writer I still love seeing my name and photograph in print! I never get bored with it and, even as I write this, I am checking the final proofs of a major six-page article which is being published in a magazine next month. I enjoy it even more when the cheque arrives! Yes, I also like talking about myself, never disputed it. If you've got a trumpet when not blow it? As I said earlier, it really is your problem and not mine if it upsets you so much. Those who know me better than you obviously do will tell you that the more you insult me the better I enjoy it because I enjoy winding idiots up!!! Roy Stockdill
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4:23pm Thu 30 May 13

neilaF says...

LMAO Roy lots of projection going on. Why the ego..I wonder ......
LMAO Roy lots of projection going on. Why the ego..I wonder ...... neilaF
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4:28pm Thu 30 May 13

Cuetip says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Garston Tony and I may not always agree - indeed, we rarely do - but one thing he isn't is a pleb. He usually posts intelligent responses here, usually quite well written.

The true plebs here are those like yourself who are to stupid they can think of nothing clever to write, so they just hurl insults!
Having monitored the postings for some time I've hestiated to dip my toe after seeing postings especially by those with constantly changing multiple personalities who like to gang up on individuals.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Garston Tony and I may not always agree - indeed, we rarely do - but one thing he isn't is a pleb. He usually posts intelligent responses here, usually quite well written. The true plebs here are those like yourself who are to stupid they can think of nothing clever to write, so they just hurl insults![/p][/quote]Having monitored the postings for some time I've hestiated to dip my toe after seeing postings especially by those with constantly changing multiple personalities who like to gang up on individuals. Cuetip
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4:32pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I've always had an ego, Nella. It's the only way to get on in this world, i.e. to let people know how good you are at your job.

When I was 15 years old and still at school, I walked into the offices of my local evening paper, the Halifax Courier in Yorkshire, demanded to see the Editor and asked him to give me a job as a reporter. Despite the fact that I was at a relatively unfashionable grammar school compared to two much posher ones where they usually only recruited from, he took me one because, as he told my father, I was the only one who'd ever had the nerve and cheek to walk in off the street and ask for a job!

I went on from there, moving from paper to paper and seizing opportunies as they came along, until I got to Fleet Street in my mid-20s, stayed there 30 years working for a number of papers and magazines and became a senior executive until I was able to retire in my late 50s, having built up a reasonable pension to see me through until I qualified for the state one. And now I do something else because I am one of those people who if I ever retired I wouldn't survive without work.

You asked me the question, so there's the answer! I have an ego because I've always had one, it's the only way to succeed in this cruel old world.
I've always had an ego, Nella. It's the only way to get on in this world, i.e. to let people know how good you are at your job. When I was 15 years old and still at school, I walked into the offices of my local evening paper, the Halifax Courier in Yorkshire, demanded to see the Editor and asked him to give me a job as a reporter. Despite the fact that I was at a relatively unfashionable grammar school compared to two much posher ones where they usually only recruited from, he took me one because, as he told my father, I was the only one who'd ever had the nerve and cheek to walk in off the street and ask for a job! I went on from there, moving from paper to paper and seizing opportunies as they came along, until I got to Fleet Street in my mid-20s, stayed there 30 years working for a number of papers and magazines and became a senior executive until I was able to retire in my late 50s, having built up a reasonable pension to see me through until I qualified for the state one. And now I do something else because I am one of those people who if I ever retired I wouldn't survive without work. You asked me the question, so there's the answer! I have an ego because I've always had one, it's the only way to succeed in this cruel old world. Roy Stockdill
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4:38pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Cuetip - I don't know why you talk about "constantly changing multiple personalities". I can assure you that the views of both Garston Tony and myself have rarely, if ever, changed since we have been posting here. We almost always disagree but in our views and attitudes we are fairly consistent.

Indeed, this is one occasion when we have been more or less united in our attitude towards the Bilderberg thing.
Cuetip - I don't know why you talk about "constantly changing multiple personalities". I can assure you that the views of both Garston Tony and myself have rarely, if ever, changed since we have been posting here. We almost always disagree but in our views and attitudes we are fairly consistent. Indeed, this is one occasion when we have been more or less united in our attitude towards the Bilderberg thing. Roy Stockdill
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4:40pm Thu 30 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy, I have had trouble sleeping recently, thank you so much for the cure, I will read your posts whilst lying in my bed.
Roy, I have had trouble sleeping recently, thank you so much for the cure, I will read your posts whilst lying in my bed. WatfordBandB
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4:52pm Thu 30 May 13

neilaF says...

Roy i may have asked the question but you directed your answer to someone else. Poor old Roy. Egocentric due to his own shortcomings.
Roy i may have asked the question but you directed your answer to someone else. Poor old Roy. Egocentric due to his own shortcomings. neilaF
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4:59pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Sorry, I read your name quickly as nella and not neila. Sometimes the print on this website is a little small for my ageing eyes!
Sorry, I read your name quickly as nella and not neila. Sometimes the print on this website is a little small for my ageing eyes! Roy Stockdill
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5:14pm Thu 30 May 13

neilaF says...

Yes, well it would seem its not the only way your a little shortsighted. If you cant read a name properly what else are you misreading. I will refrain from calling you a moron in large capitals because you made a mistake.
Yes, well it would seem its not the only way your a little shortsighted. If you cant read a name properly what else are you misreading. I will refrain from calling you a moron in large capitals because you made a mistake. neilaF
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6:18pm Thu 30 May 13

drunkenduck says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Sorry, I read your name quickly as nella and not neila. Sometimes the print on this website is a little small for my ageing eyes!
Roy should of gone to specsavers!!..

Then again Roy is very much anti-life in most things by reading most of his comments online.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Sorry, I read your name quickly as nella and not neila. Sometimes the print on this website is a little small for my ageing eyes![/p][/quote]Roy should of gone to specsavers!!.. Then again Roy is very much anti-life in most things by reading most of his comments online. drunkenduck
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6:35pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I know the people and things I like. The rest of life doesn't bother me that much!
I know the people and things I like. The rest of life doesn't bother me that much! Roy Stockdill
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7:30pm Thu 30 May 13

angelahorne says...

David Icke is running a cult

http://no-david-icke
.blogspot.co.uk
David Icke is running a cult http://no-david-icke .blogspot.co.uk angelahorne
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8:03pm Thu 30 May 13

#UKMum says...

Vasco

Of course

That cruise ship called 'The World' would be ideal. Out in the middle of the Atlantic with no pesky protesters able to afford the yacht hire and a helipad for take-off and landings.
Vasco Of course That cruise ship called 'The World' would be ideal. Out in the middle of the Atlantic with no pesky protesters able to afford the yacht hire and a helipad for take-off and landings. #UKMum
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8:09pm Thu 30 May 13

#UKMum says...

Lawbreakers to look out for -

‘Kissinger ‘The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.’
Lawbreakers to look out for - ‘Kissinger ‘The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.’ #UKMum
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10:46pm Thu 30 May 13

LSC says...

#UKMum wrote:
Lawbreakers to look out for -

‘Kissinger ‘The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.’
So you have it on record he has admitted a crime? Report it to the police then.
If the police do nothing, report it to your MP. If your MP does nothing, elect a different one, or stand yourself.

All the systems are in place. Good luck.
[quote][p][bold]#UKMum[/bold] wrote: Lawbreakers to look out for - ‘Kissinger ‘The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.’[/p][/quote]So you have it on record he has admitted a crime? Report it to the police then. If the police do nothing, report it to your MP. If your MP does nothing, elect a different one, or stand yourself. All the systems are in place. Good luck. LSC
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3:21am Fri 31 May 13

lovestospouge says...

I'm sure thats against your rights to be acked for ID from a police man innless you have broken the law?

What a stupid idea
I'm sure thats against your rights to be acked for ID from a police man innless you have broken the law? What a stupid idea lovestospouge
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8:36am Fri 31 May 13

WatfordBandB says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I know the people and things I like. The rest of life doesn't bother me that much!
Spoken like a true Narcissist. Roy look at how many enemies you have made, it is evident that you are a sad individual and you really should stay away from front line socialising. Build yourself a shed, put a nice big mirror inside and stay in there until you pass away, which by the sounds of it will not be too long, one hopes...
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I know the people and things I like. The rest of life doesn't bother me that much![/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Narcissist. Roy look at how many enemies you have made, it is evident that you are a sad individual and you really should stay away from front line socialising. Build yourself a shed, put a nice big mirror inside and stay in there until you pass away, which by the sounds of it will not be too long, one hopes... WatfordBandB
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8:38am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Oh hum.....yawn, yawn yawn.
Oh hum.....yawn, yawn yawn. Roy Stockdill
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8:57am Fri 31 May 13

#UKMum says...

LSC
'All systems are in place'

Condem Gov is working really well isn't it. So many bright Grads out of work. Homelessness on the rise. Bank 'buy-ins' threatening in the wings. Yes the 'system' is really going great guns I must say.
LSC 'All systems are in place' Condem Gov is working really well isn't it. So many bright Grads out of work. Homelessness on the rise. Bank 'buy-ins' threatening in the wings. Yes the 'system' is really going great guns I must say. #UKMum
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9:37am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

The Mail finally pluck up the courage to mention Bilderberg, even more surprising is the fact they have refrained from mentioning lizards, aliens and the like..



Royalty and statesmen to descend on Watford hotel for secret Bilderberg summit amid fears of violent anti-Capitalist protests
Hertfordshire policing budget under pressure due to security costs
Journalists banned from attending the mysterious event
Mayor of Watford says violent protest could erupt
Meetings started in 1954 with 140 European and American leaders invited each year


Read more: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2333672/Royalty-stat
esmen-descend-Watfor
d-hotel-secret-Bilde
rberg-summit-amid-fe
ars-violent-anti-Cap
italist-protests.htm
l#ixzz2UrDqMWxi
The Mail finally pluck up the courage to mention Bilderberg, even more surprising is the fact they have refrained from mentioning lizards, aliens and the like.. Royalty and statesmen to descend on Watford hotel for secret Bilderberg summit amid fears of violent anti-Capitalist protests Hertfordshire policing budget under pressure due to security costs Journalists banned from attending the mysterious event Mayor of Watford says violent protest could erupt Meetings started in 1954 with 140 European and American leaders invited each year Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2333672/Royalty-stat esmen-descend-Watfor d-hotel-secret-Bilde rberg-summit-amid-fe ars-violent-anti-Cap italist-protests.htm l#ixzz2UrDqMWxi bilderbergsucks
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9:38am Fri 31 May 13

garston tony says...

NeilaF, hahahahahahahaha.

Hahahahahahahahahaha
haha. Snort snort, giggle giggle. hahahahahahhahahahah
a

Choke choke, cough cough choke. Please, stop, laughing this hard hurts.


Sorry yours is probably the best post i've seen EVER, so i'm a cop or a troll or a paid shill or actually a Bilderberger!

Okay, okay I'll hold my hands up. Yes you are right, sort of. I'm actually a deep under cover agent for M15, I was made aware that this group would be meeting at the Grove in 2013 and my task for the last, what, three or four years has been to regularly post comments on a wide range of articles the WO puts on this site JUST SO THAT when news of the Bilderberg meetings coming to Watford got out I would be in a position to defend them on this site. Part of my cover has been to have constant arguments and differences of opinion with Roy and LSC and even John Dowle over this period in order to give some credibility to my cover story.

Such is the power of the Bilderbergers. Its a cushy number and i'm sad that its nearly over. Still i've been paid millions and in two weeks time i'll be flying off in my private jet to my island in the Carribean. See ya suckers!!

NOT.

Thank you NeilaF for giving the ultimately perfect example of the utter C R A P that has more often than not been coming from the anti Bilderberg meeting camp. You lot are biggest load of mindless sheep i've seen in quite a while and really havent a clue
NeilaF, hahahahahahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahaha haha. Snort snort, giggle giggle. hahahahahahhahahahah a Choke choke, cough cough choke. Please, stop, laughing this hard hurts. Sorry yours is probably the best post i've seen EVER, so i'm a cop or a troll or a paid shill or actually a Bilderberger! Okay, okay I'll hold my hands up. Yes you are right, sort of. I'm actually a deep under cover agent for M15, I was made aware that this group would be meeting at the Grove in 2013 and my task for the last, what, three or four years has been to regularly post comments on a wide range of articles the WO puts on this site JUST SO THAT when news of the Bilderberg meetings coming to Watford got out I would be in a position to defend them on this site. Part of my cover has been to have constant arguments and differences of opinion with Roy and LSC and even John Dowle over this period in order to give some credibility to my cover story. Such is the power of the Bilderbergers. Its a cushy number and i'm sad that its nearly over. Still i've been paid millions and in two weeks time i'll be flying off in my private jet to my island in the Carribean. See ya suckers!! NOT. Thank you NeilaF for giving the ultimately perfect example of the utter C R A P that has more often than not been coming from the anti Bilderberg meeting camp. You lot are biggest load of mindless sheep i've seen in quite a while and really havent a clue garston tony
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9:51am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

It's very, very rare for any film or play to mention Bilderberg, in the film 'Bug' a story of 'madness' they do, of course the guy who mentions it is a murderer covered in blood, ranting and as mad as a march hare.


Ashley Judd loses her mind: Favorite Movie Scenes

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=9hD1BGhD1
6c


http://planet.infowa
rs.com/video/bug-200
6-weird-movie-but-tr
ue-quote-from-the-on
e-of-the-last-scene


No video on youtube only this one dubbed into French
Bilderberg dans le film bug

http://www.dailymoti
on.com/video/x982hu_
bilderberg-dans-le-f
ilm-bug_news#.UZ--Bj
59fyo


Male lead in the movie BUG, Quotes New World Order Bilderberg Conspiracy Microchipping Mind Control+ Timothy McVeigh

http://coldrealityne
ws.wordpress.com/201
2/09/04/male-lead-in
-the-movie-bug-quote
s-new-world-order-bi
lderberg-conspiracy-
microchipping-mind-c
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It's very, very rare for any film or play to mention Bilderberg, in the film 'Bug' a story of 'madness' they do, of course the guy who mentions it is a murderer covered in blood, ranting and as mad as a march hare. Ashley Judd loses her mind: Favorite Movie Scenes http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=9hD1BGhD1 6c http://planet.infowa rs.com/video/bug-200 6-weird-movie-but-tr ue-quote-from-the-on e-of-the-last-scene No video on youtube only this one dubbed into French Bilderberg dans le film bug http://www.dailymoti on.com/video/x982hu_ bilderberg-dans-le-f ilm-bug_news#.UZ--Bj 59fyo Male lead in the movie BUG, Quotes New World Order Bilderberg Conspiracy Microchipping Mind Control+ Timothy McVeigh http://coldrealityne ws.wordpress.com/201 2/09/04/male-lead-in -the-movie-bug-quote s-new-world-order-bi lderberg-conspiracy- microchipping-mind-c ontrol-timothy-mcvei gh/ bilderbergsucks
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9:51am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

This is the quote from bug..



"you want to know what is going on, you have to listen to me. You have to, because you don’t know the f***ing enormity of what we’re dealing with. May the twenty-ninth, 1954: a consortium of bankers, industrialists, corporate CEOs and politicians held a series of meetings over three days at the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek, Holland. They drew up a plan for maintaining the status quo. It’s the way things are—the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They devised a plan to manipulate technology, economics, the media, population control, world religion, to keep things the way they are, and they have continued to meet once a year, every year, since the original meeting. Look it up.

Under their orders, the CIA had smuggled Nazi scientists into the States to work with the American military at Calspan, developing an inter-epidermal tracking microchip—a surveillance tool, a computer chip implanted in the skin of every human being born on this planet since 1982. An early test group for the prototype was the Peoples Temple, and when the Reverend Jim Jones threatened to expose them, he and every member of his church were assassinated. But it wasn’t enough to just to track people, to spy on them; they wanted control. They created the Intelligence Manned Interface Biochip, a subcutaneous transponder, a computer chip imprinted with living brain cells. They needed lab rats to test it, and they found us: me, in the Gulf, and another soldier working at Calspan at the time, Tim McVeigh."
This is the quote from bug.. "you want to know what is going on, you have to listen to me. You have to, because you don’t know the f***ing enormity of what we’re dealing with. May the twenty-ninth, 1954: a consortium of bankers, industrialists, corporate CEOs and politicians held a series of meetings over three days at the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek, Holland. They drew up a plan for maintaining the status quo. It’s the way things are—the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They devised a plan to manipulate technology, economics, the media, population control, world religion, to keep things the way they are, and they have continued to meet once a year, every year, since the original meeting. Look it up. Under their orders, the CIA had smuggled Nazi scientists into the States to work with the American military at Calspan, developing an inter-epidermal tracking microchip—a surveillance tool, a computer chip implanted in the skin of every human being born on this planet since 1982. An early test group for the prototype was the Peoples Temple, and when the Reverend Jim Jones threatened to expose them, he and every member of his church were assassinated. But it wasn’t enough to just to track people, to spy on them; they wanted control. They created the Intelligence Manned Interface Biochip, a subcutaneous transponder, a computer chip imprinted with living brain cells. They needed lab rats to test it, and they found us: me, in the Gulf, and another soldier working at Calspan at the time, Tim McVeigh." bilderbergsucks
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9:51am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Oh Tony. Now you've blown MY cover as well!

Didn't your spymasters in MI5 tell you that I'm an undercover agent too? My brief was to recruit a couple of moles - one to get a job at The Grove and the other to join the protesters. You see, MI5 don't really know what these Bilderberg types are up to, either, so they wanted to get a spy in both camps and that way they will be kept well informed.

I am happy to say both my moles are now in place and will be reporting whatever they find as soon as the conference (and the protest) starts. You may have blown my cover but nobody knows who my moles are.
Oh Tony. Now you've blown MY cover as well! Didn't your spymasters in MI5 tell you that I'm an undercover agent too? My brief was to recruit a couple of moles - one to get a job at The Grove and the other to join the protesters. You see, MI5 don't really know what these Bilderberg types are up to, either, so they wanted to get a spy in both camps and that way they will be kept well informed. I am happy to say both my moles are now in place and will be reporting whatever they find as soon as the conference (and the protest) starts. You may have blown my cover but nobody knows who my moles are. Roy Stockdill
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9:58am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>Under their orders, the CIA had smuggled Nazi scientists into the States to work with the American military at Calspan, developing an inter-epidermal tracking microchip—a surveillance tool, a computer chip implanted in the skin of every human being born on this planet since 1982.<

Er.....I beg your pardon? I have no idea how many human beings have been born since 1982 but it must be quite a few millions. Perhaps you could explain to us how they managed to get this secret micro-chip into so many people without anybody noticing? Or is every hospital and doctor in the entire world in their pay?

Really, I am now totally convinced that you are utterly stark, staring bonkers!
>Under their orders, the CIA had smuggled Nazi scientists into the States to work with the American military at Calspan, developing an inter-epidermal tracking microchip—a surveillance tool, a computer chip implanted in the skin of every human being born on this planet since 1982.< Er.....I beg your pardon? I have no idea how many human beings have been born since 1982 but it must be quite a few millions. Perhaps you could explain to us how they managed to get this secret micro-chip into so many people without anybody noticing? Or is every hospital and doctor in the entire world in their pay? Really, I am now totally convinced that you are utterly stark, staring bonkers! Roy Stockdill
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10:01am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

"They created the Intelligence Manned Interface Biochip, a subcutaneous transponder, a computer chip imprinted with living brain cells. "



They say the military has technology 10 years ahead of the civilian market...



The hi-tech tattoo that could replace ALL your passwords: Motorola reveals plans for ink and even pills to identify us
The Moto X is expected to launch later this year and will be 'more contextually aware than other phones'
The Biostamp electronic tattoo is made of silicon and contains an electrical circuit, antennae and sensors that bend and move with the wearer's body
Proteus Digital Health's 'vitamin authentication pill' is powered by acid in the wearer's stomach and creates an 18-bit signal picked up by mobile phone
Motorola is trialling the technologies as authentication alternatives to non-secure traditional passwords


Read more: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/sciencetech/a
rticle-2333203/Moto-
X-Motorola-reveals-p
lans-ink-pills-repla
ce-ALL-passwords.htm
l#ixzz2UrJrmuw4
"They created the Intelligence Manned Interface Biochip, a subcutaneous transponder, a computer chip imprinted with living brain cells. " They say the military has technology 10 years ahead of the civilian market... The hi-tech tattoo that could replace ALL your passwords: Motorola reveals plans for ink and even pills to identify us The Moto X is expected to launch later this year and will be 'more contextually aware than other phones' The Biostamp electronic tattoo is made of silicon and contains an electrical circuit, antennae and sensors that bend and move with the wearer's body Proteus Digital Health's 'vitamin authentication pill' is powered by acid in the wearer's stomach and creates an 18-bit signal picked up by mobile phone Motorola is trialling the technologies as authentication alternatives to non-secure traditional passwords Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/sciencetech/a rticle-2333203/Moto- X-Motorola-reveals-p lans-ink-pills-repla ce-ALL-passwords.htm l#ixzz2UrJrmuw4 bilderbergsucks
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10:11am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Perhaps you could explain to us how they managed to get this secret micro-chip into so many people without anybody noticing?




IN the film BUG, a work of fiction, I repeat that , a work of FICTION they imply that this technology is so small it is administered through the vaccination program which all babies born in the west are mandated to undergo.

Doctors administer vaccinations, they don't actually do forensic tests determining the composition of the drugs they administer.


Which is a bit of a shame isn't it..

(Non fiction)

Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine )

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=wg-52mHIj
hs
Perhaps you could explain to us how they managed to get this secret micro-chip into so many people without anybody noticing? IN the film BUG, a work of fiction, I repeat that , a work of FICTION they imply that this technology is so small it is administered through the vaccination program which all babies born in the west are mandated to undergo. Doctors administer vaccinations, they don't actually do forensic tests determining the composition of the drugs they administer. Which is a bit of a shame isn't it.. (Non fiction) Bayer Exposed ( HIV Contaminated Vaccine ) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=wg-52mHIj hs bilderbergsucks
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10:13am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Oh dear! I'm due to have a hip replacement operation in the next few months. Will they plant one of these microchips or pills in me during the operation? Should I say no and not have a new hip after all?
Oh dear! I'm due to have a hip replacement operation in the next few months. Will they plant one of these microchips or pills in me during the operation? Should I say no and not have a new hip after all? Roy Stockdill
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10:19am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Shock horror, the state wastes a huge amount of money for no good reason.

Don't blame the protesters, Blame the Bilderberg, they weren't invited here, nor are they welcome here..




British taxpayers to pay 'millions' towards secretive Bilderberg meeting security
Taxpayers are likely to have to pay millions towards the cost of policing the secretive Bilderberg meeting of the global elite due to gather in Hertfordshire next week.

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/politics
/10089131/British-ta
xpayers-to-pay-milli
ons-towards-secretiv
e-Bilderberg-meeting
-security.html
Shock horror, the state wastes a huge amount of money for no good reason. Don't blame the protesters, Blame the Bilderberg, they weren't invited here, nor are they welcome here.. British taxpayers to pay 'millions' towards secretive Bilderberg meeting security Taxpayers are likely to have to pay millions towards the cost of policing the secretive Bilderberg meeting of the global elite due to gather in Hertfordshire next week. http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/politics /10089131/British-ta xpayers-to-pay-milli ons-towards-secretiv e-Bilderberg-meeting -security.html bilderbergsucks
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10:35am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Engineering Empire: An Introduction to the Intellectuals and Institutions of American Imperialism
Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:55



Educating yourself about empire can be a challenging endeavor, especially since so much of the educational system is dedicated to avoiding the topic or justifying the actions of imperialism in the modern era. If one studies political science or economics, the subject might be discussed in a historical context, but rarely as a modern reality; media and government voices rarely speak on the subject, and even more rarely speak of it with direct and honest language. Instead, we exist in a society where institutions and individuals of power speak in coded language, using deceptive rhetoric with abstract meaning. We hear about 'democracy' and 'freedom' and 'security,' but so rarely about imperialism, domination, and exploitation.



http://truth-out.org
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Engineering Empire: An Introduction to the Intellectuals and Institutions of American Imperialism Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:55 Educating yourself about empire can be a challenging endeavor, especially since so much of the educational system is dedicated to avoiding the topic or justifying the actions of imperialism in the modern era. If one studies political science or economics, the subject might be discussed in a historical context, but rarely as a modern reality; media and government voices rarely speak on the subject, and even more rarely speak of it with direct and honest language. Instead, we exist in a society where institutions and individuals of power speak in coded language, using deceptive rhetoric with abstract meaning. We hear about 'democracy' and 'freedom' and 'security,' but so rarely about imperialism, domination, and exploitation. http://truth-out.org /news/item/16621-eng ineering-empire-an-i ntroduction-to-the-i ntellectuals-and-ins titutions-of-america n-imperialism#136999 28541331&action=coll apse_widget&id=55836 62 bilderbergsucks
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10:41am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I have suspected throughout this debate that you must be a barmy American and now I am certain! Your spelling of the word "endeavor" gives you away. In English English the word is spelt ENDEAVOUR.

However, you haven't answered my question. When I go for my hip replacement op will they plant a microchip inside me that will transmit messages to my secret "controller", reporting on all my movements and perhaps even thoughts?
I have suspected throughout this debate that you must be a barmy American and now I am certain! Your spelling of the word "endeavor" gives you away. In English English the word is spelt ENDEAVOUR. However, you haven't answered my question. When I go for my hip replacement op will they plant a microchip inside me that will transmit messages to my secret "controller", reporting on all my movements and perhaps even thoughts? Roy Stockdill
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10:46am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

All Wars Are Bankers' Wars

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=5hfEBupAe
o4&feature=player_em
bedded
All Wars Are Bankers' Wars http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=5hfEBupAe o4&feature=player_em bedded bilderbergsucks
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10:50am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

When I go for my hip replacement op will they plant a microchip inside me that will transmit messages to my secret "controller", reporting on all my movements and perhaps even thoughts?


No Roy I don't think so.


I'm not American, I'm British.
I cut and paste stuff, much of it is written by Americans, hence the spelling.
When I go for my hip replacement op will they plant a microchip inside me that will transmit messages to my secret "controller", reporting on all my movements and perhaps even thoughts? No Roy I don't think so. I'm not American, I'm British. I cut and paste stuff, much of it is written by Americans, hence the spelling. bilderbergsucks
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11:07am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

A few posts from the Telegraph article

Rockefeller has never attempted to hide what he's up to:

From his autobiography, chapter 27: Proud Internationalist.

Populist Paranoia:

''For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it''

Rockefeller, David (2002). Memoirs. Random House.
A few posts from the Telegraph article Rockefeller has never attempted to hide what he's up to: From his autobiography, chapter 27: Proud Internationalist. Populist Paranoia: ''For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it'' Rockefeller, David (2002). Memoirs. Random House. bilderbergsucks
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11:08am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Current world population is 7 billion. The global elite want it reduced to between 100 million and one billion.

Quotes to back up my assertion:

“Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of
poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality
control.”
- Professor Maurice King

“Complex
technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be
little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap,
abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
- Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

“The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
- Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
- Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

“My
three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100
million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see
wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout
the world.”
-Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

“A
cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population
explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our
efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the
cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless
decisions.”
- Prof Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb
“I
don’t claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a
boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game
animals and the need to adjust the cull to the size of the surplus
population.”
- Prince Philip, preface of Down to Earth

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
- Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor

“… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
- Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
- Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund
“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal
Current world population is 7 billion. The global elite want it reduced to between 100 million and one billion. Quotes to back up my assertion: “Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.” - Professor Maurice King “Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.” - Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute “The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.” - Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation “Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.” - Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.” -Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First! “A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.” - Prof Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb “I don’t claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the cull to the size of the surplus population.” - Prince Philip, preface of Down to Earth “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” - Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor “… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.” - Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund “I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.” - John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal bilderbergsucks
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11:09am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

The Mayor of Watford, Dorothy Thornhill.
The Bilderberg Summit, "does attract people who can cause violence".
She's right. They're the people inside, chairing the meeting.
The ones's deciding people's futures. The one's, Taking Everything, The People have, for themselves, and the people they work for, Taking your Savings, Pensions, Earnings, Creating Unemployment, Poverty, Homelessness,
Destroying lives, while being in breach of Every law known, and creating their own, because they think that makes it legal, for them to commit their crimes, against The State, against The Country, against The Queen, and against The People, as they decide someone can be sent to Prison, where they will die, for stealing a gingerbread man., but that Banks, laundering Billions of Pounds, of Drug Money, will not be prosecuted, and Private Corporations, can avoid paying Billions of Pounds, in Taxes, while they extort money from everyone else.
These are the people , who have decided, people committing suicide, because they have no money to live, is "fair", and "the right thing to do".
How do you feel, knowing that your are paying, for the privilege of a meeting, where a group of people get together, to decide how to ruin your life, and make a financial profit from it, and that the authorities, are protecting them?
On the other hand, if Interpol, want to arrest members, of the Biggest, Organised Crime Gang, in Europe,
made up of people, guilty of Theft, Corruption, Bribery, Treason, and, War, against Millions, of People,
They know where to be on the sixth of June.
The Mayor of Watford, Dorothy Thornhill. The Bilderberg Summit, "does attract people who can cause violence". She's right. They're the people inside, chairing the meeting. The ones's deciding people's futures. The one's, Taking Everything, The People have, for themselves, and the people they work for, Taking your Savings, Pensions, Earnings, Creating Unemployment, Poverty, Homelessness, Destroying lives, while being in breach of Every law known, and creating their own, because they think that makes it legal, for them to commit their crimes, against The State, against The Country, against The Queen, and against The People, as they decide someone can be sent to Prison, where they will die, for stealing a gingerbread man., but that Banks, laundering Billions of Pounds, of Drug Money, will not be prosecuted, and Private Corporations, can avoid paying Billions of Pounds, in Taxes, while they extort money from everyone else. These are the people , who have decided, people committing suicide, because they have no money to live, is "fair", and "the right thing to do". How do you feel, knowing that your are paying, for the privilege of a meeting, where a group of people get together, to decide how to ruin your life, and make a financial profit from it, and that the authorities, are protecting them? On the other hand, if Interpol, want to arrest members, of the Biggest, Organised Crime Gang, in Europe, made up of people, guilty of Theft, Corruption, Bribery, Treason, and, War, against Millions, of People, They know where to be on the sixth of June. bilderbergsucks
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11:12am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Well, that's good to know! I was worried that if they put a secret microchip in my new hip it would start transmitting radio waves and mess up the iphones and ipods of anyone near me!

You don't really "do" irony, do you?

I'm interested that you admit you cut and paste stuff, which means that an awful lot of what you've posted here isn't your own original thought. When I was in the newspaper game there was a well-known technique called "Take in PA". What this meant was that a lazy reporter would write a couple of sentences intro to a story and then add a note to the sub-editors "Take in PA", PA being the Press Association, a well-known news agency which serves all the newspapers. The reporter would then get his/her byline on a story while most of the work had been supplied by the agencies.

It sounds to me as if this is what you are doing!
Well, that's good to know! I was worried that if they put a secret microchip in my new hip it would start transmitting radio waves and mess up the iphones and ipods of anyone near me! You don't really "do" irony, do you? I'm interested that you admit you cut and paste stuff, which means that an awful lot of what you've posted here isn't your own original thought. When I was in the newspaper game there was a well-known technique called "Take in PA". What this meant was that a lazy reporter would write a couple of sentences intro to a story and then add a note to the sub-editors "Take in PA", PA being the Press Association, a well-known news agency which serves all the newspapers. The reporter would then get his/her byline on a story while most of the work had been supplied by the agencies. It sounds to me as if this is what you are doing! Roy Stockdill
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11:17am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

It is heartening to see that of the several hundred posts the vast majority come out in opposition to the Bilderberg group. It really does emphasise how out of touch our politicians are. They represent someone but it's very evident it's not us..
It is heartening to see that of the several hundred posts the vast majority come out in opposition to the Bilderberg group. It really does emphasise how out of touch our politicians are. They represent someone but it's very evident it's not us.. bilderbergsucks
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11:22am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

As a matter of interest, when was the last time you read that someone had been sent to prison for stealing a gingerbread man, even less died there?

And BTW, your rambling quotes about reducing the world's population hardly represent new thinking. Have you not read the theories of Robert Malthus (1766-1834)?
As a matter of interest, when was the last time you read that someone had been sent to prison for stealing a gingerbread man, even less died there? And BTW, your rambling quotes about reducing the world's population hardly represent new thinking. Have you not read the theories of Robert Malthus (1766-1834)? Roy Stockdill
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11:41am Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Incorrect I do like irony, 'no such thing as conspiracy' posted some very high quality examples of it, you may not have noticed but I responded favorably to those posts.
Incorrect I do like irony, 'no such thing as conspiracy' posted some very high quality examples of it, you may not have noticed but I responded favorably to those posts. bilderbergsucks
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11:41am Fri 31 May 13

garston tony says...

Its hardly a secret conspiracy if they are advertising this new technology that will help with data security!

But ooh, films. I like films. Can I quote a line too?

'You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off' is one of my favourites..... It was on the other night, good stuff. Much better than that bug film you've been wasting your time with BS. But please pray tell BS, why exactly are you quoting works of fiction? What next V for Vendetta, or even maybe just the tv series V? Should we be concerned about the rise of robots if you start quoting lines from Terminator? You do know Battle for Planet Earth isnt real too dont you?

I mean it is parr for the course for you posting random rubbish but it does nothing to promote your cause or beliefs, quite the opposite. And you cut and paste, well that was kinda obvious but again proves something i've said already - not an original thought amongst you, what a bunch of sheep. Bah bah, munch munch

Maybe no one did invite the Bilderbergers to come to Watford, but I tell you what no one invited the protesters either and they are probably even less welcome!

Roy, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. I do hope the WO post a story where we can have one of our proper arguments. Our recent constant agreeing on this particular subject makes me feel, dare I say it, like we're friends and that wont do now will it. Lol
Its hardly a secret conspiracy if they are advertising this new technology that will help with data security! But ooh, films. I like films. Can I quote a line too? 'You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off' is one of my favourites..... It was on the other night, good stuff. Much better than that bug film you've been wasting your time with BS. But please pray tell BS, why exactly are you quoting works of fiction? What next V for Vendetta, or even maybe just the tv series V? Should we be concerned about the rise of robots if you start quoting lines from Terminator? You do know Battle for Planet Earth isnt real too dont you? I mean it is parr for the course for you posting random rubbish but it does nothing to promote your cause or beliefs, quite the opposite. And you cut and paste, well that was kinda obvious but again proves something i've said already - not an original thought amongst you, what a bunch of sheep. Bah bah, munch munch Maybe no one did invite the Bilderbergers to come to Watford, but I tell you what no one invited the protesters either and they are probably even less welcome! Roy, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. I do hope the WO post a story where we can have one of our proper arguments. Our recent constant agreeing on this particular subject makes me feel, dare I say it, like we're friends and that wont do now will it. Lol garston tony
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11:45am Fri 31 May 13

Veritas says...

Oh Daft Dotty with daft comments again

heard she wanted to go but was told she was too small a fish in a big pond with a "Bridge to nowhere"
Oh Daft Dotty with daft comments again heard she wanted to go but was told she was too small a fish in a big pond with a "Bridge to nowhere" Veritas
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11:59am Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Yes, Tony, I too feel a bit strange agreeing with you all the time! Can't we get back to the status quo?

Seriously, though, I keep on wondering when Bilderbergsucks is going to bring in the Da Vinci Code and the theory that the world is run by the descendants of Jesus Christ?

PS - I too love The Italian Job. I've got the superb remastering of it on a blu-ray disc. Probably the best thing Michael Caine ever did (and he's made a lot of films, some of them out-and-out turkeys).
Yes, Tony, I too feel a bit strange agreeing with you all the time! Can't we get back to the status quo? Seriously, though, I keep on wondering when Bilderbergsucks is going to bring in the Da Vinci Code and the theory that the world is run by the descendants of Jesus Christ? PS - I too love The Italian Job. I've got the superb remastering of it on a blu-ray disc. Probably the best thing Michael Caine ever did (and he's made a lot of films, some of them out-and-out turkeys). Roy Stockdill
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12:20pm Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Here's some more 'unoriginal' comment, unlike Tony or Roy this guy has an easily accessible track record, one of being right so much so that the man is a billionaire.

One who won't be invited to Bilderberg any time soon. The reason being he tells the truth and the people in charge don't like that, not even a little bit

Please take note of his comments about the private US federal reserve bank(whose representatives ALWAYS attend Bilderberg)

If you want to find out what's really going on , Jim Rogers is one of the best people in the World to listen to...

Information you will NEVER get from Tony or Roy



Félix Moreno: Please tell us about your new book, Street Smarts. What was your motivation for writing it?

Jim Rogers: To my surprise people tell me it’s my best book. I never would have expected this reaction. I’ve written a few books about specific things, but my publisher said, “look, you’ve never sort of pulled it together: how did you get from the backwoods of Alabama to Singapore” – among a few things. I had a few setbacks along the way, and a couple of successes. So I sat down to put it all together in the book, how it all worked and everything seemed to be worth it. Some people seem to enjoy it, to my delight.

FM: I enjoyed it – I especially liked the story about your start at the Quantum Fund and your trading days, before retiring at 37. I also enjoyed your book Hot Commodities, in which you talk a lot about the current bull market in commodities. You set up your commodity index fund in 1999?

JR: It started on August 1 1998. The first bull year was 1999.

FM: You always say in your interviews that you are not a very good market timer, but I beg to differ. I’d like to turn to gold: you are one of the few gold bulls who had actually been calling for a correction in the past few months, or at least saying that we were in a correction and that, even though you were very optimistic in the long term, we should expect lower prices now. You must feel vindicated now.

JR: Every once in a while I get it right. Even I get it right sometimes. Vindicated? I don’t take any great pleasure in it. I just talk about the way the world works. It’s reality. Unfortunately some people don’t like to see how the world works, but yes, I did happen to get it right this time.

FM: So what is your opinion on the current state of the gold bull market. You’ve said repeatedly that you expect it to go much higher this decade. How do you see it right now?

JR: Unfortunately from my point of view, and I own gold and haven’t sold any, we are in a long overdue and much needed correction. The anomaly was that gold had been up 12 years in a row. That’s not normal, typical action. It’s abnormal, which worries me and should worry all the gold bulls. It has now corrected for some 18 to 20 months now. I find that encouraging. I mean, I don’t know, because I’m not a very good market timer, but I do know that most corrections go on long enough to scare a lot of people and scare them out of their positions, and that’s what I would expect to happen.

I’ve had people write to me and say: “gold cannot go down 30%”, and I say: “turn on your computer. It’s there.” There are a lot of mystics that are still true believers. Until it scares a lot of people the correction is not over. I would certainly like the correction to be over this afternoon and see gold go to $2,000 or to $3,000, but that’s not reality.

FM: You are one of the few well-known investors who actually says when he is buying or selling something. Most are scared of giving away their secret formula. What percentage of your portfolio is in precious metals?

JR: First of all I won’t say, but second of all I don’t know. I don’t have a committee that I have to answer to, so I don’t have a clue. I do know that I own a fair amount of precious metals, I’ve been buying them for years and I never sold them.

FM: Are you more invested in gold or in silver?

JR: Value wise more in gold, because gold sells for many multiples of the price of silver. But maybe I own more ounces of silver. But so what? Gold is so much more valuable.

FM: You write that you concentrate very much on fundamentals. However you lump gold in with other commodities in several of your books. Do you analyse gold as a commodity or do you look at it as money?

JR: Everybody has their own view. Mine is that gold is not money until you can go into a shop and get someone to accept it as money. Gold, certainly in recent decades, is nothing more than a commodity. Yes at times it has been money in the past, but so has silver, so have seashells, so have cattle. A lot of things have been used as money. Silver has been money more than gold historically, and throughout the world there is a lot more silver around.

FM: But you have to admit that gold isn’t easily valued as other commodities are. After all inventories of gold and the stock-flow ratio are very different from soybeans, rice or oil. The amount of gold that is mined or produced or recycled each year is very small compared to the stock of gold sitting in bank vaults and central bank vaults. So it’s hard to value gold using supply and demand, or at least annual supply and demand like with other commodities.

JR: If you mean annual supply and demand by the amount mined and the amount consumed, yes. The amount mined and consumed is very low compared to the overall inventory of gold. All the gold ever mined is still somewhere and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future. From that point of view I guess it is harder to value – to figure out the price of gold – rather than wheat for instance.

FM: I have to ask: have you heard of Bitcoin? Do you own any?

JR: I’ve heard of Bitcoin, I’ve never taken the time to figure out how it works and what it is. I know it’s there.

FM: You talk a lot about the future of China. You mention that China is the only one of the BRICs that you see having a very bright future. In fact you say that the acronym is off by only three letters. But why China? What makes it better than, say India?

JR: Have you ever been to India? If you can only visit one country you should go there. It is the most exceptional country in the world from a tourist point of view. But from the point of view of doing business, it’s the worst bureaucracy in the world, and the infrastructure’s a nightmare. It’s a very extraordinary place to visit – the languages; the man-made and natural marvels; the food; the religions; the languages. It’s extraordinary, but not as a place to do business unless you are in with the right people. If you are in with the government – the right part of the government – yeah, you’ll make a lot of money. But otherwise be very careful.

FM: Would you like to comment on property rights in Singapore? As you might know GoldMoney has recently opened a vault there, because it’s one of the countries that respects property rights and gold will be safer from confiscation and high taxes there.

JR: Well, I live in Singapore. Singapore does respect property rights and it’s an efficient and, from my point of view, terrific place to live. Who knows what’s going to happen over the next 50 years, but at the moment it is one of the sounder places to have assets. Whether the new gold vault here will work, I don’t know. But I do know that Singapore is a sound place to have assets.

FM: You don’t expect some populist politician suddenly sticking a huge tax on it?

JR: I would not expect that to happen on Singapore. I would expect it to happen in other places, maybe in the US.

FM: In your book you call the US “The largest debtor in the history of the world”.

JR: That’s not an indictment, that’s a fact. If you consider it a negative fact, it’s an indictment. It happens to be a fact that it is the largest debtor nation in the history of the world. The debt is going through the roof, you know with all the shady rates. I do criticise it. I don’t like it. I’m an American citizen. I’m an American taxpayer, so I hate what’s happening with the debt situation in America. No nation in history has gotten itself into this situation and got out without a crisis. So I guess it is an indictment.

FM: I Do you expect the US politicians to do something about the debt? To balance the budget any time soon?

JR: No, not at all. Not either the present politicians or future politicians. The situation is so dire that it would be almost impossible to balance the budget and pay down the debt without an enormous amount of pain. Now suppose that somebody could win an election on that platform – well within six months or a year or two, he would either be assassinated or give up because the people would say “wait a minute, we didn’t know it was this much pain. This is not what we had in mind” and he would be thrown out and his policies reversed. No it’s not going to happen until there’s a crisis or a semi crisis. That’s the lesson of history. Nobody gets out of this situation until there’s a crisis.

FM: What would you say to those that see the current situation as perfectly sustainable, especially in reference to the money printing, quantitative easing, etc.

JR: I would suggest that they get out a couple of simple history books and see if there has even been a way out. For what it’s worth, there has not been and there won’t be. I suggest that they look it up. They don’t have to listen to people like me, look it up.

FM: Do you think that Bernanke and the Fed have an exit plan from QE and zero-rates?

JR: Mr Bernanke’s exit plan apparently is that he is going to leave his job. He doesn’t want to stick around for the hangover. He doesn’t want to be around for the consequences of what he’s doing. I don’t know if there’s an exit plan. If and when they stop it’s going to cause lots of ramifications in the market and lots of, perhaps even chaos, but certainly turmoil and upset. The only exit plan that he’s talked about is to let it all mature. That sounds wonderful, but it’s not very practical.

FM: It seems that the whole “let’s get out before it crashes” worked well for Alan Greenspan.

JR: Well, Alan Greenspan did get out before it collapsed, more or less, but if nothing else, history has figured out that he is a charlatan who didn’t know what he was doing in the first place.

FM: So you don’t think that they have an exit plan. Does that mean that you are in the inflation camp? Do you think that the crisis is going to come from high inflation like in the ‘70s and ‘80s, or are you in the deflation camp? That it will come through bankruptcies, banking collapses and debt defaults?

JR: Throughout history when you print staggering amounts of money, it has always led to inflation. Now, you can have an inflationary boom, an inflationary feel-good period, but usually the politicians just keep printing. No politician is going to run on a platform, or could get elected on a platform of “we are going to have pain”, so they are going to continue to print money. You know as Mr Bernanke is doing, the BoJ, the Bank of England, the ECB. They all say the same thing. They are all doing the same thing. So they are going to continue to print money. Eventually of course what always happens is that inflation gets higher and higher and then the bubble pops and you have deflation and harder times. But between here and there is a long way, because they are not going to stop printing money. That’s all they know how to do. It’s the wrong thing, but it’s all they know to do.

FM: Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell and you give examples of banking crises where there were no bailouts. What is your opinion on the bailouts?

JR: It’s not supposed to work that way. You are not supposed to take money away from the competent people and give it to the incompetent so that the incompetent can compete with the competent people with their own money. That’s not the way capitalism is supposed to work. That’s not the way morality is supposed to work. I know politicians don’t care about morality. It’s not going to work. You see what happened in Japan. Japan has had two lost decades. Their stock market is down by 70-75% from where it was 23 years ago. This system has never worked.

In the 1920s America had this problem and America balanced the budget and raised interest rates. I repeat: balanced the budget and raised interest rates. They had a terrible 18 months, but then they had the most exciting economic decade in American history. Scandinavia did the same thing in the early ‘90s. When the Japanese were refusing to let people fail, the Scandinavians let people fail. They had a terrible two or three years, but since then Scandinavia has been an extremely strong and exciting part of the world.

This way (the bailout way) doesn’t work, and there are no examples of something like this having ever worked. It’s not going to work this time either.

FM: Some argue that a current example are the eastern European countries: Estonia, Lithuania, etc, who made big cuts within one year of the crisis and are now growing faster than the rest of Europe.

JR: There’s no question. You can look at other places: Iceland, Ireland – you know, the places that did take some pain have certainly done better than the places that denied reality.

FM: From the Spanish perspective, it’s certainly not better to have a lost decade or two by trying to postpone all the big budget-balancing hard work.

JR: You can postpone it all you want, but the problems just mount. There is no country in Europe that’s going to have lower debt this year than last year, or lower debt the next year than this year. Every one of them will run up the debt, instead of decreasing the debt.

FM: Do you expect the Euro to lose the currency wars? Which will fall down the cliff first? The yen, the euro or the dollar?

JR: It depends on what standard of measure you are talking about. The Japanese claim that they are going to print “unlimited” amounts of money. That’s their word, not mine. Unlimited amounts of money. I would expect the yen to go the furthest the fastest. But America has also said “wait guys, we’ll print a lot of money too” – though they didn’t say “unlimited”. And the British said “we should do it”.

So I don’t really know. It’s a very good question, which one to own. I don’t own the yen, because “unlimited” is a pretty hefty amount of money. I grapple with this every day, which currencies to own. Believe it or not I was even contemplating putting money into the ruble – only because it seemed less flawed at the moment than these others.

FM: You seem to have had a change of heart recently regarding Russia.

JR: In recent months I have seen that Mr Putin and people in the Kremlin have changed their attitude. It will take a while for all this to sink in. They said for many years that they welcomed foreigners and capital, but they were lying. They shot you, they put you in jail, and they confiscated your wealth. But now Mr Putin seems to understand that he has to play by international rules, he cannot go on putting people in jail and taking their money. If he wants to play on the world stage he has to treat international capital, and domestic capital, in a proper way. You can ask me in 10 years if I got it right or not.

FM: The Russians are more friendly to depositors than the Cypriots – and perhaps many other jurisdictions as well.

JR: Well, what happened in Cyprus as you know is that most of the big depositors were foreigners. It’s always easy to take advantage of the foreigners. 125 years ago America threw the foreigners right, left and centre. Nearly all developing countries find a way to take advantage of foreigners. It’s not a particularly good comment on world society. Cyprus voters did lose money, but nothing like to the extent of the foreign folk.

FM: On the other hand there are a few countries that do welcome foreign money like Singapore or Hong Kong.

JR: It might just be an anomaly of history. We can look back in eight years and see if Singapore and Hong Kong are still welcoming. I suspect they might do, but unfortunately throughout history there have been countries that welcome money, but then they get fat and lazy and they become anti-foreigner and confiscate their money. I don’t think you can find any country in history that has consistently welcomed foreigner’s money for centuries. Yes, for a century or two or even three maybe. But nobody has a history of always welcoming foreign money.

FM: But it gives hope to see that Hong Kong and Singapore changed China. Perhaps another “lighthouse city”, another good example could change Europe, Latin America…

JR: As long as my lifetime and my kid’s lifetime – I guess that would be more than most people can expect.

FM: You have become very favourable towards competing currencies as a solution to the crisis of fiat money.

JR: That’s the only solution that has ever worked long term. Nothing has worked a long time – including gold, silver, seashells, cattle. Nothing has worked long term except that you choose your money.

FM: You write about how you opened a Swiss bank account in the ‘70s. Could you do so today?

JR: It’s getting more and more difficult for foreigners – for Americans I should say – to open bank accounts anywhere in the world, because of the problems with the US government. I’ve had places where I’ve had accounts for years who have called me to say “look we love you, but we have to get rid of all American accounts”. It probably is possible to open a Swiss bank account, but I don’t know, I haven’t had to do it in a long time. I still have my Swiss bank accounts, which are all reported by the way, but it is becoming a problem for Americans.

FM: FATCA and the growing amount of regulation is one reason why so many are looking to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general.

JR: Yes, it’s becoming a huge problem for Americans, honest Americans at least.

FM: What would you tell American leaders and politicians?

JR: Resign.

FM: The same thing to Ben Bernanke?

JR: No, Bernanke I would tell him to close the Federal Reserve and then resign.

FM: So you wouldn’t want, for example, Jim Grant as Fed chairman?

JR: I know Jim and I like him, but he has some ideas I don’t think would work. He’s a wonderful goldbug and has been for many years and is convinced that the gold standard would solve America’s problems. You know, the gold standard didn’t work either in the long term. They found ways to get around it. Or they just abolished it. The gold standard has its own problems too. The only way to survive is to let people decide for themselves what they want to use as money. Someone can use gold, or we find enough people who want to use seashells, or whatever.

FM: So competing currencies and may the best money win?

JR: It’s the only solution that has worked throughout history. Every government imposed, every dictated from of money has always failed. Including the gold standard.

FM: Yes, although the gold standard does have a record of lasting hundreds of years on several occasions. But I agree, nothing lasts forever and it’s better to have something that can evolve, not imposed from the top down.

JR: I’m not sure I know a case where the gold standard has lasted hundreds of years, but if you say so, yes. Gold has certainly had recurring uses. Not necessarily the gold standard, but gold itself has had recurring uses many times in history. But as I said before, silver has been used more historically than gold around the world, and so have other things.

FM: In fact China has used silver for a very long time. A lot of Spanish silver dollars ended up in China when they were kicked out of the US.

JR: Yes the Chinese have a longer history of silver than they do of gold, but again, many places do. Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver, not 30 pieces of gold. Silver was the predominant currency back in those days, in that part of the world.

FM: China has also had a long history with paper money. If there’s one constant in the history of money it’s that paper money never seems to last more than 40 or 50 years before blowing up.

JR: Paper money doesn’t have a very glorious history, but again, nothing imposed by the government has a very long and glorious history.

FM: On that positive note, and hoping for many good things to come in this new century, I’d like to thank you for talking to GoldMoney, and hope that you will be back soon.

JR: I’m delighted. Thank you very much. Let’s do it again.
Here's some more 'unoriginal' comment, unlike Tony or Roy this guy has an easily accessible track record, one of being right so much so that the man is a billionaire. One who won't be invited to Bilderberg any time soon. The reason being he tells the truth and the people in charge don't like that, not even a little bit Please take note of his comments about the private US federal reserve bank(whose representatives ALWAYS attend Bilderberg) If you want to find out what's really going on , Jim Rogers is one of the best people in the World to listen to... Information you will NEVER get from Tony or Roy Félix Moreno: Please tell us about your new book, Street Smarts. What was your motivation for writing it? Jim Rogers: To my surprise people tell me it’s my best book. I never would have expected this reaction. I’ve written a few books about specific things, but my publisher said, “look, you’ve never sort of pulled it together: how did you get from the backwoods of Alabama to Singapore” – among a few things. I had a few setbacks along the way, and a couple of successes. So I sat down to put it all together in the book, how it all worked and everything seemed to be worth it. Some people seem to enjoy it, to my delight. FM: I enjoyed it – I especially liked the story about your start at the Quantum Fund and your trading days, before retiring at 37. I also enjoyed your book Hot Commodities, in which you talk a lot about the current bull market in commodities. You set up your commodity index fund in 1999? JR: It started on August 1 1998. The first bull year was 1999. FM: You always say in your interviews that you are not a very good market timer, but I beg to differ. I’d like to turn to gold: you are one of the few gold bulls who had actually been calling for a correction in the past few months, or at least saying that we were in a correction and that, even though you were very optimistic in the long term, we should expect lower prices now. You must feel vindicated now. JR: Every once in a while I get it right. Even I get it right sometimes. Vindicated? I don’t take any great pleasure in it. I just talk about the way the world works. It’s reality. Unfortunately some people don’t like to see how the world works, but yes, I did happen to get it right this time. FM: So what is your opinion on the current state of the gold bull market. You’ve said repeatedly that you expect it to go much higher this decade. How do you see it right now? JR: Unfortunately from my point of view, and I own gold and haven’t sold any, we are in a long overdue and much needed correction. The anomaly was that gold had been up 12 years in a row. That’s not normal, typical action. It’s abnormal, which worries me and should worry all the gold bulls. It has now corrected for some 18 to 20 months now. I find that encouraging. I mean, I don’t know, because I’m not a very good market timer, but I do know that most corrections go on long enough to scare a lot of people and scare them out of their positions, and that’s what I would expect to happen. I’ve had people write to me and say: “gold cannot go down 30%”, and I say: “turn on your computer. It’s there.” There are a lot of mystics that are still true believers. Until it scares a lot of people the correction is not over. I would certainly like the correction to be over this afternoon and see gold go to $2,000 or to $3,000, but that’s not reality. FM: You are one of the few well-known investors who actually says when he is buying or selling something. Most are scared of giving away their secret formula. What percentage of your portfolio is in precious metals? JR: First of all I won’t say, but second of all I don’t know. I don’t have a committee that I have to answer to, so I don’t have a clue. I do know that I own a fair amount of precious metals, I’ve been buying them for years and I never sold them. FM: Are you more invested in gold or in silver? JR: Value wise more in gold, because gold sells for many multiples of the price of silver. But maybe I own more ounces of silver. But so what? Gold is so much more valuable. FM: You write that you concentrate very much on fundamentals. However you lump gold in with other commodities in several of your books. Do you analyse gold as a commodity or do you look at it as money? JR: Everybody has their own view. Mine is that gold is not money until you can go into a shop and get someone to accept it as money. Gold, certainly in recent decades, is nothing more than a commodity. Yes at times it has been money in the past, but so has silver, so have seashells, so have cattle. A lot of things have been used as money. Silver has been money more than gold historically, and throughout the world there is a lot more silver around. FM: But you have to admit that gold isn’t easily valued as other commodities are. After all inventories of gold and the stock-flow ratio are very different from soybeans, rice or oil. The amount of gold that is mined or produced or recycled each year is very small compared to the stock of gold sitting in bank vaults and central bank vaults. So it’s hard to value gold using supply and demand, or at least annual supply and demand like with other commodities. JR: If you mean annual supply and demand by the amount mined and the amount consumed, yes. The amount mined and consumed is very low compared to the overall inventory of gold. All the gold ever mined is still somewhere and that is going to continue for the foreseeable future. From that point of view I guess it is harder to value – to figure out the price of gold – rather than wheat for instance. FM: I have to ask: have you heard of Bitcoin? Do you own any? JR: I’ve heard of Bitcoin, I’ve never taken the time to figure out how it works and what it is. I know it’s there. FM: You talk a lot about the future of China. You mention that China is the only one of the BRICs that you see having a very bright future. In fact you say that the acronym is off by only three letters. But why China? What makes it better than, say India? JR: Have you ever been to India? If you can only visit one country you should go there. It is the most exceptional country in the world from a tourist point of view. But from the point of view of doing business, it’s the worst bureaucracy in the world, and the infrastructure’s a nightmare. It’s a very extraordinary place to visit – the languages; the man-made and natural marvels; the food; the religions; the languages. It’s extraordinary, but not as a place to do business unless you are in with the right people. If you are in with the government – the right part of the government – yeah, you’ll make a lot of money. But otherwise be very careful. FM: Would you like to comment on property rights in Singapore? As you might know GoldMoney has recently opened a vault there, because it’s one of the countries that respects property rights and gold will be safer from confiscation and high taxes there. JR: Well, I live in Singapore. Singapore does respect property rights and it’s an efficient and, from my point of view, terrific place to live. Who knows what’s going to happen over the next 50 years, but at the moment it is one of the sounder places to have assets. Whether the new gold vault here will work, I don’t know. But I do know that Singapore is a sound place to have assets. FM: You don’t expect some populist politician suddenly sticking a huge tax on it? JR: I would not expect that to happen on Singapore. I would expect it to happen in other places, maybe in the US. FM: In your book you call the US “The largest debtor in the history of the world”. JR: That’s not an indictment, that’s a fact. If you consider it a negative fact, it’s an indictment. It happens to be a fact that it is the largest debtor nation in the history of the world. The debt is going through the roof, you know with all the shady rates. I do criticise it. I don’t like it. I’m an American citizen. I’m an American taxpayer, so I hate what’s happening with the debt situation in America. No nation in history has gotten itself into this situation and got out without a crisis. So I guess it is an indictment. FM: I Do you expect the US politicians to do something about the debt? To balance the budget any time soon? JR: No, not at all. Not either the present politicians or future politicians. The situation is so dire that it would be almost impossible to balance the budget and pay down the debt without an enormous amount of pain. Now suppose that somebody could win an election on that platform – well within six months or a year or two, he would either be assassinated or give up because the people would say “wait a minute, we didn’t know it was this much pain. This is not what we had in mind” and he would be thrown out and his policies reversed. No it’s not going to happen until there’s a crisis or a semi crisis. That’s the lesson of history. Nobody gets out of this situation until there’s a crisis. FM: What would you say to those that see the current situation as perfectly sustainable, especially in reference to the money printing, quantitative easing, etc. JR: I would suggest that they get out a couple of simple history books and see if there has even been a way out. For what it’s worth, there has not been and there won’t be. I suggest that they look it up. They don’t have to listen to people like me, look it up. FM: Do you think that Bernanke and the Fed have an exit plan from QE and zero-rates? JR: Mr Bernanke’s exit plan apparently is that he is going to leave his job. He doesn’t want to stick around for the hangover. He doesn’t want to be around for the consequences of what he’s doing. I don’t know if there’s an exit plan. If and when they stop it’s going to cause lots of ramifications in the market and lots of, perhaps even chaos, but certainly turmoil and upset. The only exit plan that he’s talked about is to let it all mature. That sounds wonderful, but it’s not very practical. FM: It seems that the whole “let’s get out before it crashes” worked well for Alan Greenspan. JR: Well, Alan Greenspan did get out before it collapsed, more or less, but if nothing else, history has figured out that he is a charlatan who didn’t know what he was doing in the first place. FM: So you don’t think that they have an exit plan. Does that mean that you are in the inflation camp? Do you think that the crisis is going to come from high inflation like in the ‘70s and ‘80s, or are you in the deflation camp? That it will come through bankruptcies, banking collapses and debt defaults? JR: Throughout history when you print staggering amounts of money, it has always led to inflation. Now, you can have an inflationary boom, an inflationary feel-good period, but usually the politicians just keep printing. No politician is going to run on a platform, or could get elected on a platform of “we are going to have pain”, so they are going to continue to print money. You know as Mr Bernanke is doing, the BoJ, the Bank of England, the ECB. They all say the same thing. They are all doing the same thing. So they are going to continue to print money. Eventually of course what always happens is that inflation gets higher and higher and then the bubble pops and you have deflation and harder times. But between here and there is a long way, because they are not going to stop printing money. That’s all they know how to do. It’s the wrong thing, but it’s all they know to do. FM: Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell and you give examples of banking crises where there were no bailouts. What is your opinion on the bailouts? JR: It’s not supposed to work that way. You are not supposed to take money away from the competent people and give it to the incompetent so that the incompetent can compete with the competent people with their own money. That’s not the way capitalism is supposed to work. That’s not the way morality is supposed to work. I know politicians don’t care about morality. It’s not going to work. You see what happened in Japan. Japan has had two lost decades. Their stock market is down by 70-75% from where it was 23 years ago. This system has never worked. In the 1920s America had this problem and America balanced the budget and raised interest rates. I repeat: balanced the budget and raised interest rates. They had a terrible 18 months, but then they had the most exciting economic decade in American history. Scandinavia did the same thing in the early ‘90s. When the Japanese were refusing to let people fail, the Scandinavians let people fail. They had a terrible two or three years, but since then Scandinavia has been an extremely strong and exciting part of the world. This way (the bailout way) doesn’t work, and there are no examples of something like this having ever worked. It’s not going to work this time either. FM: Some argue that a current example are the eastern European countries: Estonia, Lithuania, etc, who made big cuts within one year of the crisis and are now growing faster than the rest of Europe. JR: There’s no question. You can look at other places: Iceland, Ireland – you know, the places that did take some pain have certainly done better than the places that denied reality. FM: From the Spanish perspective, it’s certainly not better to have a lost decade or two by trying to postpone all the big budget-balancing hard work. JR: You can postpone it all you want, but the problems just mount. There is no country in Europe that’s going to have lower debt this year than last year, or lower debt the next year than this year. Every one of them will run up the debt, instead of decreasing the debt. FM: Do you expect the Euro to lose the currency wars? Which will fall down the cliff first? The yen, the euro or the dollar? JR: It depends on what standard of measure you are talking about. The Japanese claim that they are going to print “unlimited” amounts of money. That’s their word, not mine. Unlimited amounts of money. I would expect the yen to go the furthest the fastest. But America has also said “wait guys, we’ll print a lot of money too” – though they didn’t say “unlimited”. And the British said “we should do it”. So I don’t really know. It’s a very good question, which one to own. I don’t own the yen, because “unlimited” is a pretty hefty amount of money. I grapple with this every day, which currencies to own. Believe it or not I was even contemplating putting money into the ruble – only because it seemed less flawed at the moment than these others. FM: You seem to have had a change of heart recently regarding Russia. JR: In recent months I have seen that Mr Putin and people in the Kremlin have changed their attitude. It will take a while for all this to sink in. They said for many years that they welcomed foreigners and capital, but they were lying. They shot you, they put you in jail, and they confiscated your wealth. But now Mr Putin seems to understand that he has to play by international rules, he cannot go on putting people in jail and taking their money. If he wants to play on the world stage he has to treat international capital, and domestic capital, in a proper way. You can ask me in 10 years if I got it right or not. FM: The Russians are more friendly to depositors than the Cypriots – and perhaps many other jurisdictions as well. JR: Well, what happened in Cyprus as you know is that most of the big depositors were foreigners. It’s always easy to take advantage of the foreigners. 125 years ago America threw the foreigners right, left and centre. Nearly all developing countries find a way to take advantage of foreigners. It’s not a particularly good comment on world society. Cyprus voters did lose money, but nothing like to the extent of the foreign folk. FM: On the other hand there are a few countries that do welcome foreign money like Singapore or Hong Kong. JR: It might just be an anomaly of history. We can look back in eight years and see if Singapore and Hong Kong are still welcoming. I suspect they might do, but unfortunately throughout history there have been countries that welcome money, but then they get fat and lazy and they become anti-foreigner and confiscate their money. I don’t think you can find any country in history that has consistently welcomed foreigner’s money for centuries. Yes, for a century or two or even three maybe. But nobody has a history of always welcoming foreign money. FM: But it gives hope to see that Hong Kong and Singapore changed China. Perhaps another “lighthouse city”, another good example could change Europe, Latin America… JR: As long as my lifetime and my kid’s lifetime – I guess that would be more than most people can expect. FM: You have become very favourable towards competing currencies as a solution to the crisis of fiat money. JR: That’s the only solution that has ever worked long term. Nothing has worked a long time – including gold, silver, seashells, cattle. Nothing has worked long term except that you choose your money. FM: You write about how you opened a Swiss bank account in the ‘70s. Could you do so today? JR: It’s getting more and more difficult for foreigners – for Americans I should say – to open bank accounts anywhere in the world, because of the problems with the US government. I’ve had places where I’ve had accounts for years who have called me to say “look we love you, but we have to get rid of all American accounts”. It probably is possible to open a Swiss bank account, but I don’t know, I haven’t had to do it in a long time. I still have my Swiss bank accounts, which are all reported by the way, but it is becoming a problem for Americans. FM: FATCA and the growing amount of regulation is one reason why so many are looking to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general. JR: Yes, it’s becoming a huge problem for Americans, honest Americans at least. FM: What would you tell American leaders and politicians? JR: Resign. FM: The same thing to Ben Bernanke? JR: No, Bernanke I would tell him to close the Federal Reserve and then resign. FM: So you wouldn’t want, for example, Jim Grant as Fed chairman? JR: I know Jim and I like him, but he has some ideas I don’t think would work. He’s a wonderful goldbug and has been for many years and is convinced that the gold standard would solve America’s problems. You know, the gold standard didn’t work either in the long term. They found ways to get around it. Or they just abolished it. The gold standard has its own problems too. The only way to survive is to let people decide for themselves what they want to use as money. Someone can use gold, or we find enough people who want to use seashells, or whatever. FM: So competing currencies and may the best money win? JR: It’s the only solution that has worked throughout history. Every government imposed, every dictated from of money has always failed. Including the gold standard. FM: Yes, although the gold standard does have a record of lasting hundreds of years on several occasions. But I agree, nothing lasts forever and it’s better to have something that can evolve, not imposed from the top down. JR: I’m not sure I know a case where the gold standard has lasted hundreds of years, but if you say so, yes. Gold has certainly had recurring uses. Not necessarily the gold standard, but gold itself has had recurring uses many times in history. But as I said before, silver has been used more historically than gold around the world, and so have other things. FM: In fact China has used silver for a very long time. A lot of Spanish silver dollars ended up in China when they were kicked out of the US. JR: Yes the Chinese have a longer history of silver than they do of gold, but again, many places do. Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver, not 30 pieces of gold. Silver was the predominant currency back in those days, in that part of the world. FM: China has also had a long history with paper money. If there’s one constant in the history of money it’s that paper money never seems to last more than 40 or 50 years before blowing up. JR: Paper money doesn’t have a very glorious history, but again, nothing imposed by the government has a very long and glorious history. FM: On that positive note, and hoping for many good things to come in this new century, I’d like to thank you for talking to GoldMoney, and hope that you will be back soon. JR: I’m delighted. Thank you very much. Let’s do it again. bilderbergsucks
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12:38pm Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Jim Rogers reckons North and South Korea want to unite and they will, it's just a matter of time.

Laughable eh?

But then consider the 'consensus' about so many things that matter, wrong so many times.
Jim Rogers reckons North and South Korea want to unite and they will, it's just a matter of time. Laughable eh? But then consider the 'consensus' about so many things that matter, wrong so many times. bilderbergsucks
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12:39pm Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."

Kennedy, Robert F
Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it." Kennedy, Robert F bilderbergsucks
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12:40pm Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

That, surely, must claim the record for the longest post ever made on this site - or on any site, for that matter.
That, surely, must claim the record for the longest post ever made on this site - or on any site, for that matter. Roy Stockdill
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12:58pm Fri 31 May 13

LSC says...

My 'Irony Meter' is really off the scale on this story.

Surely the protesters would think it is a great idea for the police to ask people who they are, and what their intentions are.

Because that is EXACTLY what they are calling for to know about the people attending the meeting!

The power to know private details is what they are campaigning for; you can't then object when asked for yours.
My 'Irony Meter' is really off the scale on this story. Surely the protesters would think it is a great idea for the police to ask people who they are, and what their intentions are. Because that is EXACTLY what they are calling for to know about the people attending the meeting! The power to know private details is what they are campaigning for; you can't then object when asked for yours. LSC
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1:03pm Fri 31 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

But these people don't "do" irony, LSC!

If they did, why is there a body called the Anarchist Federation of Britain and Ireland? By their very nature aren't anarchists supposed to be opposed to everything and especially organisation of any kind? How, then, do anarchists federate with one another?

As Littlejohn would say, you couldn't make it up!
But these people don't "do" irony, LSC! If they did, why is there a body called the Anarchist Federation of Britain and Ireland? By their very nature aren't anarchists supposed to be opposed to everything and especially organisation of any kind? How, then, do anarchists federate with one another? As Littlejohn would say, you couldn't make it up! Roy Stockdill
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1:04pm Fri 31 May 13

LSC says...

#UKMum wrote:
LSC
'All systems are in place'

Condem Gov is working really well isn't it. So many bright Grads out of work. Homelessness on the rise. Bank 'buy-ins' threatening in the wings. Yes the 'system' is really going great guns I must say.
Great, I'll expect to see you standing for election soon to put it all right then.

That is 'the system'. You obviously know better than our current government, so let's see your manifesto for a better one, and if it makes sense, you'll get my vote no problem.

Nearly every UK citizen has a right to stand for election, all you need is £500.
So if you are so passionate about the current lot doing a bad job, change it.
[quote][p][bold]#UKMum[/bold] wrote: LSC 'All systems are in place' Condem Gov is working really well isn't it. So many bright Grads out of work. Homelessness on the rise. Bank 'buy-ins' threatening in the wings. Yes the 'system' is really going great guns I must say.[/p][/quote]Great, I'll expect to see you standing for election soon to put it all right then. That is 'the system'. You obviously know better than our current government, so let's see your manifesto for a better one, and if it makes sense, you'll get my vote no problem. Nearly every UK citizen has a right to stand for election, all you need is £500. So if you are so passionate about the current lot doing a bad job, change it. LSC
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1:12pm Fri 31 May 13

LSC says...

I have to agree Roy. Most of these protesters against the status quo are jealous or paranoid, and usually a mix of both.
They demand a Utopian society without a clue how to go about getting one, running one, or financing one.

This results in frustration and leads to smashed windows down the High Street and them going home smug in the knowledge they 'made their point'.
I have to agree Roy. Most of these protesters against the status quo are jealous or paranoid, and usually a mix of both. They demand a Utopian society without a clue how to go about getting one, running one, or financing one. This results in frustration and leads to smashed windows down the High Street and them going home smug in the knowledge they 'made their point'. LSC
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2:35pm Fri 31 May 13

aoconnor says...

I couldn't care less about the meeting so long as they don't block my drive on hempstead road nor bother me if i don't have photographic I.D when returning.
I couldn't care less about the meeting so long as they don't block my drive on hempstead road nor bother me if i don't have photographic I.D when returning. aoconnor
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3:30pm Fri 31 May 13

#UKMum says...

LSC

I don't intend to go into politics. I know an insider and get told stuff - nuf said really.
LSC I don't intend to go into politics. I know an insider and get told stuff - nuf said really. #UKMum
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6:56pm Fri 31 May 13

neilaF says...

Obviously Tony I do not profess to known who you are. I do wonder though. I also wonder why someone who has no connection to the group and as far as I can tell knows as much about them as the rest of us would feel that the supposed most powerful men in the world would need big ol tony from Liverpool(?) to defend their cause. You accuse anyone of not following the establishments view of being sheep and this irony clearly flies over your head.
I am glad to hear that you personally know that the meetings are above board and there is no conflicts of interest involved at all. It makes my heart all fuzzy and warm to know that tony with all his years as bilderberg insider he can assure us that its all OK and cmon there all good guys eh!. Thank you tony.

But really what have you got to gain from supporting a group that no one had heard about till very recently but has been operating secretly for the last half a century. What makes you such an authority on them? Why should anyone take your word about something you know nothing about and a have no connection too. But it feels better to call anyone who asks a question about them a fool. Your arrogance and ignorance is quite frankly staggering.
Obviously Tony I do not profess to known who you are. I do wonder though. I also wonder why someone who has no connection to the group and as far as I can tell knows as much about them as the rest of us would feel that the supposed most powerful men in the world would need big ol tony from Liverpool(?) to defend their cause. You accuse anyone of not following the establishments view of being sheep and this irony clearly flies over your head. I am glad to hear that you personally know that the meetings are above board and there is no conflicts of interest involved at all. It makes my heart all fuzzy and warm to know that tony with all his years as bilderberg insider he can assure us that its all OK and cmon there all good guys eh!. Thank you tony. But really what have you got to gain from supporting a group that no one had heard about till very recently but has been operating secretly for the last half a century. What makes you such an authority on them? Why should anyone take your word about something you know nothing about and a have no connection too. But it feels better to call anyone who asks a question about them a fool. Your arrogance and ignorance is quite frankly staggering. neilaF
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7:13pm Fri 31 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

neilaF

Well said, some people are so stupid they kiss the hand that steals from them.

I put up this video to try to help them understand, but they're not interested.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Xbp6umQT5
8A
neilaF Well said, some people are so stupid they kiss the hand that steals from them. I put up this video to try to help them understand, but they're not interested. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Xbp6umQT5 8A bilderbergsucks
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9:34pm Fri 31 May 13

Popeonarope says...

garston tony wrote:
NeilaF, hahahahahahahaha.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

haha. Snort snort, giggle giggle. hahahahahahhahahahah

a

Choke choke, cough cough choke. Please, stop, laughing this hard hurts.


Sorry yours is probably the best post i've seen EVER, so i'm a cop or a troll or a paid shill or actually a Bilderberger!

Okay, okay I'll hold my hands up. Yes you are right, sort of. I'm actually a deep under cover agent for M15, I was made aware that this group would be meeting at the Grove in 2013 and my task for the last, what, three or four years has been to regularly post comments on a wide range of articles the WO puts on this site JUST SO THAT when news of the Bilderberg meetings coming to Watford got out I would be in a position to defend them on this site. Part of my cover has been to have constant arguments and differences of opinion with Roy and LSC and even John Dowle over this period in order to give some credibility to my cover story.

Such is the power of the Bilderbergers. Its a cushy number and i'm sad that its nearly over. Still i've been paid millions and in two weeks time i'll be flying off in my private jet to my island in the Carribean. See ya suckers!!

NOT.

Thank you NeilaF for giving the ultimately perfect example of the utter C R A P that has more often than not been coming from the anti Bilderberg meeting camp. You lot are biggest load of mindless sheep i've seen in quite a while and really havent a clue
"...Thank you NeilaF for giving the ultimately perfect example of the utter C R A P that has more often than not been coming from the anti Bilderberg meeting camp. You lot are biggest load of mindless sheep I've seen in quite a while and really haven't a clue".

A christian calling someone a mindless sheep... fantastic!
On the Grove subject, i merely object to this group not paying for its own expenses, police included. A very rich, privileged bunch yet we get to pay for their jolly. Capitalism at its finest.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: NeilaF, hahahahahahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahaha haha. Snort snort, giggle giggle. hahahahahahhahahahah a Choke choke, cough cough choke. Please, stop, laughing this hard hurts. Sorry yours is probably the best post i've seen EVER, so i'm a cop or a troll or a paid shill or actually a Bilderberger! Okay, okay I'll hold my hands up. Yes you are right, sort of. I'm actually a deep under cover agent for M15, I was made aware that this group would be meeting at the Grove in 2013 and my task for the last, what, three or four years has been to regularly post comments on a wide range of articles the WO puts on this site JUST SO THAT when news of the Bilderberg meetings coming to Watford got out I would be in a position to defend them on this site. Part of my cover has been to have constant arguments and differences of opinion with Roy and LSC and even John Dowle over this period in order to give some credibility to my cover story. Such is the power of the Bilderbergers. Its a cushy number and i'm sad that its nearly over. Still i've been paid millions and in two weeks time i'll be flying off in my private jet to my island in the Carribean. See ya suckers!! NOT. Thank you NeilaF for giving the ultimately perfect example of the utter C R A P that has more often than not been coming from the anti Bilderberg meeting camp. You lot are biggest load of mindless sheep i've seen in quite a while and really havent a clue[/p][/quote]"...Thank you NeilaF for giving the ultimately perfect example of the utter C R A P that has more often than not been coming from the anti Bilderberg meeting camp. You lot are biggest load of mindless sheep I've seen in quite a while and really haven't a clue". A christian calling someone a mindless sheep... fantastic! On the Grove subject, i merely object to this group not paying for its own expenses, police included. A very rich, privileged bunch yet we get to pay for their jolly. Capitalism at its finest. Popeonarope
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10:15pm Fri 31 May 13

drunkenduck says...

I agree that everybody has a right to protest and freedom of speech but PEACEFULLY & without HATE.

But that does NOT give the right to cause damage, trouble and stir up hatred comments and issues and from those you dictated their hatred believes onto others.

As these going to be peaceful folks but shame too with those sick, twisted and troublemakers activists turning up too. But what is getting written on those anti-bilderberg blogs and facebook groups/pages etc!

Secondly, if you are stopped by police, you are not obligated to show identification. There is no law requiring this to carry any identification. However, identification is required if you drive a vehicle and/or if the Police believe that you've committed a crime.

As Police officers depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want from you and this includes giving up your rights. So stand your ground & know your rights...
I agree that everybody has a right to protest and freedom of speech but PEACEFULLY & without HATE. But that does NOT give the right to cause damage, trouble and stir up hatred comments and issues and from those you dictated their hatred believes onto others. As these going to be peaceful folks but shame too with those sick, twisted and troublemakers activists turning up too. But what is getting written on those anti-bilderberg blogs and facebook groups/pages etc! Secondly, if you are stopped by police, you are not obligated to show identification. There is no law requiring this to carry any identification. However, identification is required if you drive a vehicle and/or if the Police believe that you've committed a crime. As Police officers depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want from you and this includes giving up your rights. So stand your ground & know your rights... drunkenduck
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12:30am Sat 1 Jun 13

LSC says...

"As Police officers depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want from you and this includes giving up your rights. So stand your ground & know your rights..."

I was pretty much agreeing with you up until this point, but then we go back to the paranoia and police state stance.
I do not fear the police in the slightest, and never have. I've had brushes with them over the years, good and bad. Because people are good and bad, and the police are just people.

My experience has never been fear or intimidation. I usually find mutual respect works best.

I was taken all the way to court when I was a lot younger for a driving offence I did not commit, just because, at a guess, the copper was having a bad day and needed someone to get cross at. Such is life.

I did not bother to 'stand my ground' or recite to him my rights at the scene. There was no point, the guy was a moron and it would have just made things worse...for me. He probably would have loved it.

No, I used the grey matter, had my day in court and the case was dismissed. The Magistrate was quite scathing of the evidence presented by the policeman involved.

Does that experience make me wary of the police or the State on principal?

No.
"As Police officers depend on fear and intimidation to get what they want from you and this includes giving up your rights. So stand your ground & know your rights..." I was pretty much agreeing with you up until this point, but then we go back to the paranoia and police state stance. I do not fear the police in the slightest, and never have. I've had brushes with them over the years, good and bad. Because people are good and bad, and the police are just people. My experience has never been fear or intimidation. I usually find mutual respect works best. I was taken all the way to court when I was a lot younger for a driving offence I did not commit, just because, at a guess, the copper was having a bad day and needed someone to get cross at. Such is life. I did not bother to 'stand my ground' or recite to him my rights at the scene. There was no point, the guy was a moron and it would have just made things worse...for me. He probably would have loved it. No, I used the grey matter, had my day in court and the case was dismissed. The Magistrate was quite scathing of the evidence presented by the policeman involved. Does that experience make me wary of the police or the State on principal? No. LSC
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4:15pm Sat 1 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

After all the tosh talked here about the so-called rulers of the world meeting in Watford, I suddenly spotted that there was a horse called RULER OF THE WORLD running in today's Epsom Derby. I fancied a fiver on it but because of work I never got round to walking down to the betting shop and having a flutter.

The damned thing only won, didn't it, at 7-1. Gr.....gr.....gr....
.!

Maybe the Bilderberg people "fixed" the race, do we think?
After all the tosh talked here about the so-called rulers of the world meeting in Watford, I suddenly spotted that there was a horse called RULER OF THE WORLD running in today's Epsom Derby. I fancied a fiver on it but because of work I never got round to walking down to the betting shop and having a flutter. The damned thing only won, didn't it, at 7-1. Gr.....gr.....gr.... .! Maybe the Bilderberg people "fixed" the race, do we think? Roy Stockdill
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5:14pm Sun 2 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

I have come to this debate somewhat late but a number of aspects have struck me quite forcefully.
Why people are trading insults with one another is beyond me. You should all be capable of holding a rational and civilised debate on this.
Secondly, tony and some others seem to be making the logical fallacy of assuming the guilt of potential activist protestors, when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for assuming guilt on their part.
Watford did not ask these Bilderberg people to come here; the imagined benefits of their stay at the Grove will be marginal at best for Watford.
From a local perspective, there will be no benefits that I can imagine.
We will all end up having to pay towards the policing costs of this shindig, even though we were never consulted on this matter.
Our freedom of movement is being artificially restricted on an individual and communal level. Why?
We should be sending the message that the Bilderberg participants are no one special. They are just ordinary persons meeting up with one another for some reasons only known to themselves.
I think - in all honesty - that they are all largely deluded. As I have pointed out before, even the best laid plans of conspirators can go wrong, and this is even more the case when dealing with social human actions.
The Grove has - as Roy has explained - gone out of its way to disassociate itself from Watford in all its promotional propaganda, so why should we be thankful towards them for bringing this mob into our town?
Let these Bilderbergers find somewhere else to meet up with one another - preferably on some tiny little island in a wholly remote area of the world, where they will not bother anyone else and no one else will bother them.
Perhaps Patrick Mercer can use his good offices to arrange for them all to go to Fiji - you never know?
Please try to focus on the more direct aspects of this blog and do please try to be civil towards each other.
I have come to this debate somewhat late but a number of aspects have struck me quite forcefully. Why people are trading insults with one another is beyond me. You should all be capable of holding a rational and civilised debate on this. Secondly, tony and some others seem to be making the logical fallacy of assuming the guilt of potential activist protestors, when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for assuming guilt on their part. Watford did not ask these Bilderberg people to come here; the imagined benefits of their stay at the Grove will be marginal at best for Watford. From a local perspective, there will be no benefits that I can imagine. We will all end up having to pay towards the policing costs of this shindig, even though we were never consulted on this matter. Our freedom of movement is being artificially restricted on an individual and communal level. Why? We should be sending the message that the Bilderberg participants are no one special. They are just ordinary persons meeting up with one another for some reasons only known to themselves. I think - in all honesty - that they are all largely deluded. As I have pointed out before, even the best laid plans of conspirators can go wrong, and this is even more the case when dealing with social human actions. The Grove has - as Roy has explained - gone out of its way to disassociate itself from Watford in all its promotional propaganda, so why should we be thankful towards them for bringing this mob into our town? Let these Bilderbergers find somewhere else to meet up with one another - preferably on some tiny little island in a wholly remote area of the world, where they will not bother anyone else and no one else will bother them. Perhaps Patrick Mercer can use his good offices to arrange for them all to go to Fiji - you never know? Please try to focus on the more direct aspects of this blog and do please try to be civil towards each other. John Dowdle
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9:50pm Sun 2 Jun 13

garetgee says...

No British resident needs to show their passport to the police in Britain just to get into or out of their own street. Tell the police to get stuffed, and barge on through. If they arrest you, agree, say nothing at all, and get a decent solicitor who understands that you are 'no commenting' in all interviews. If we don't stand up for our rights, the kind of people who organise Bilderberg will simply take them away from us -- as they are already doing here.
No British resident needs to show their passport to the police in Britain just to get into or out of their own street. Tell the police to get stuffed, and barge on through. If they arrest you, agree, say nothing at all, and get a decent solicitor who understands that you are 'no commenting' in all interviews. If we don't stand up for our rights, the kind of people who organise Bilderberg will simply take them away from us -- as they are already doing here. garetgee
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11:59pm Sun 2 Jun 13

LSC says...

"We should be sending the message that the Bilderberg participants are no one special. They are just ordinary persons meeting up with one another for some reasons only known to themselves."

I totally agree, but the problem appears to be that some people want to harm them, and publically say so.
This leaves the police with a dilema. Protect them and be accused of being Stormtroopers for the rich, or ignore them and risk The Grove being set on fire with people, like the kitchen staff, being in it?
The police have no choice. The whole situation is down to the protesters, not the group.
"We should be sending the message that the Bilderberg participants are no one special. They are just ordinary persons meeting up with one another for some reasons only known to themselves." I totally agree, but the problem appears to be that some people want to harm them, and publically say so. This leaves the police with a dilema. Protect them and be accused of being Stormtroopers for the rich, or ignore them and risk The Grove being set on fire with people, like the kitchen staff, being in it? The police have no choice. The whole situation is down to the protesters, not the group. LSC
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12:09am Mon 3 Jun 13

LSC says...

garetgee wrote:
No British resident needs to show their passport to the police in Britain just to get into or out of their own street. Tell the police to get stuffed, and barge on through. If they arrest you, agree, say nothing at all, and get a decent solicitor who understands that you are 'no commenting' in all interviews. If we don't stand up for our rights, the kind of people who organise Bilderberg will simply take them away from us -- as they are already doing here.
So you too are saying it is the right of every person to keep their business to themselves.

Fine, I agree.

Would you mind passing that on to the protesters demanding to know the business of the Bilderberg meeting?

Double standards such as that amoung the masses is every bit as ugly as anything this group are supposed to be doing.
[quote][p][bold]garetgee[/bold] wrote: No British resident needs to show their passport to the police in Britain just to get into or out of their own street. Tell the police to get stuffed, and barge on through. If they arrest you, agree, say nothing at all, and get a decent solicitor who understands that you are 'no commenting' in all interviews. If we don't stand up for our rights, the kind of people who organise Bilderberg will simply take them away from us -- as they are already doing here.[/p][/quote]So you too are saying it is the right of every person to keep their business to themselves. Fine, I agree. Would you mind passing that on to the protesters demanding to know the business of the Bilderberg meeting? Double standards such as that amoung the masses is every bit as ugly as anything this group are supposed to be doing. LSC
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12:19am Mon 3 Jun 13

Watford Coalition of Resistance says...

LSC wrote:
&quot;We should be sending the message that the Bilderberg participants are no one special. They are just ordinary persons meeting up with one another for some reasons only known to themselves."

I totally agree, but the problem appears to be that some people want to harm them, and publically say so.
This leaves the police with a dilema. Protect them and be accused of being Stormtroopers for the rich, or ignore them and risk The Grove being set on fire with people, like the kitchen staff, being in it?
The police have no choice. The whole situation is down to the protesters, not the group.
Who has publicly said they wish to 'harm' the Bilderberg participants? Can you provide links/references? To date, no Bilderberg protests have involved violence.
[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: "We should be sending the message that the Bilderberg participants are no one special. They are just ordinary persons meeting up with one another for some reasons only known to themselves." I totally agree, but the problem appears to be that some people want to harm them, and publically say so. This leaves the police with a dilema. Protect them and be accused of being Stormtroopers for the rich, or ignore them and risk The Grove being set on fire with people, like the kitchen staff, being in it? The police have no choice. The whole situation is down to the protesters, not the group.[/p][/quote]Who has publicly said they wish to 'harm' the Bilderberg participants? Can you provide links/references? To date, no Bilderberg protests have involved violence. Watford Coalition of Resistance
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2:08am Mon 3 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

LSC: I am really surprised to see you behaving in a similar way to Tony.
You too are assuming guilt on the part of prospective activist protestors and without a shred of evidence being produced.
The protestors are just a group of people who find these gatherings of Bilderbergers objectionable and wish to be able to express their protest.
Where have they ever made actual threats of violence against the Bilderbergers?
You and Tony are not the only ones acting irresponsibly in labelling protestors as something they are not.
One final point we should all remember is the so-called Plebgate Affair, when a UK Government Cabinet Minister, no less, appears to have been framed by police officers.
The police worry me far more than the protestors, particularly when the Hertfordshire Police and Crime Commissioner is - for once - completely silent on this matter.
We can never afford to be wholly sanguine when it comes to protecting and defending our joint human rights.
LSC: I am really surprised to see you behaving in a similar way to Tony. You too are assuming guilt on the part of prospective activist protestors and without a shred of evidence being produced. The protestors are just a group of people who find these gatherings of Bilderbergers objectionable and wish to be able to express their protest. Where have they ever made actual threats of violence against the Bilderbergers? You and Tony are not the only ones acting irresponsibly in labelling protestors as something they are not. One final point we should all remember is the so-called Plebgate Affair, when a UK Government Cabinet Minister, no less, appears to have been framed by police officers. The police worry me far more than the protestors, particularly when the Hertfordshire Police and Crime Commissioner is - for once - completely silent on this matter. We can never afford to be wholly sanguine when it comes to protecting and defending our joint human rights. John Dowdle
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9:12am Mon 3 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Neila, Neila, Neila. Thank you once more for providing a giggle. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that you are not a local are you? If you were you'd know that whilst there is indeed a Garston in Liverpool there is ALSO A FAIRLY LARGE PART OF WATFORD CALLED GARSTON! So that begs the questions, why are you posting on what is a local matter (local residents being asked for ID)? Me thinks tis YOU who is the troll hey...

And you confirm you dont know who I am yet despite me pointing out that I have been posting on this site for many a year you still think I work for Bilderberg in some way! Oh, please dont say your mind which appears to have been so muddled and misled by conspiracy theory didnt actually believe me when I claimed I was a deep cover MI5 agent? This ladies and gentleman tipyfies the protesters to a T.

But where am I actually defending Bilderberg? I'm actually having a go at people like you who have arbitrarily decided this group is up to no good BASED ON NO EVIDENCE AT ALL and as such i've put forward alternative theories. In pointing out your ignorance and contradictions and general lack of sense I am not defending the Bilderbergers.
Neila, Neila, Neila. Thank you once more for providing a giggle. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that you are not a local are you? If you were you'd know that whilst there is indeed a Garston in Liverpool there is ALSO A FAIRLY LARGE PART OF WATFORD CALLED GARSTON! So that begs the questions, why are you posting on what is a local matter (local residents being asked for ID)? Me thinks tis YOU who is the troll hey... And you confirm you dont know who I am yet despite me pointing out that I have been posting on this site for many a year you still think I work for Bilderberg in some way! Oh, please dont say your mind which appears to have been so muddled and misled by conspiracy theory didnt actually believe me when I claimed I was a deep cover MI5 agent? This ladies and gentleman tipyfies the protesters to a T. But where am I actually defending Bilderberg? I'm actually having a go at people like you who have arbitrarily decided this group is up to no good BASED ON NO EVIDENCE AT ALL and as such i've put forward alternative theories. In pointing out your ignorance and contradictions and general lack of sense I am not defending the Bilderbergers. garston tony
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9:13am Mon 3 Jun 13

garston tony says...

BS your wavelength is off kilter, you persist in posting stuff as if it is relevant to Bilderberg or proves a point when it actually doesnt at all. It just continues to make you look like a loon!

What was the point of the Jim Rogers transcript exactly? It proved none of the theories anyone has made up about Bilderberg, so what was the point?


JD, i'm not accusing the protesters of being guilty of any crime. I have pointed out that the reason for the police prescence is that in recent years this type of protest has often been turned violent by what I would hope is a small minority of people. As the attention on Bilderberg has increased in recent years so must unfortunately the protection offered to allow people to go about their lawful business.

I love however the irony of being accussed of assuming the protesters guilt of something when the whole protest itself is based on a massive assumption that the Bildergerg meetings are up to no good! Show me the proof, any of you, that the Bilderberg meetings have or are going to lead to any errosion of our human rights? Because so far we've had zip, zilch, nada, nowt nothing in terms of evidence, just random c r a p like I said before
BS your wavelength is off kilter, you persist in posting stuff as if it is relevant to Bilderberg or proves a point when it actually doesnt at all. It just continues to make you look like a loon! What was the point of the Jim Rogers transcript exactly? It proved none of the theories anyone has made up about Bilderberg, so what was the point? JD, i'm not accusing the protesters of being guilty of any crime. I have pointed out that the reason for the police prescence is that in recent years this type of protest has often been turned violent by what I would hope is a small minority of people. As the attention on Bilderberg has increased in recent years so must unfortunately the protection offered to allow people to go about their lawful business. I love however the irony of being accussed of assuming the protesters guilt of something when the whole protest itself is based on a massive assumption that the Bildergerg meetings are up to no good! Show me the proof, any of you, that the Bilderberg meetings have or are going to lead to any errosion of our human rights? Because so far we've had zip, zilch, nada, nowt nothing in terms of evidence, just random c r a p like I said before garston tony
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10:31am Mon 3 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I think the problem with some of these protesters, Tony, is that they suffer from delusions and paranoia to a greater or lesser degree in that they assume anyone who opposes their views must automatically somehow be associated with the other side, literally, either as members, associates or employees. It's a part of their paranoia in seeing conspiracies everywhere!

It is also a key part of the fascist Left that they are always right and anyone who disagrees with them must be wrong and therefore silenced, if at all possible.
I think the problem with some of these protesters, Tony, is that they suffer from delusions and paranoia to a greater or lesser degree in that they assume anyone who opposes their views must automatically somehow be associated with the other side, literally, either as members, associates or employees. It's a part of their paranoia in seeing conspiracies everywhere! It is also a key part of the fascist Left that they are always right and anyone who disagrees with them must be wrong and therefore silenced, if at all possible. Roy Stockdill
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10:58am Mon 3 Jun 13

LSC says...

"Who has publicly said they wish to 'harm' the Bilderberg participants? Can you provide links/references? To date, no Bilderberg protests have involved violence."

High profile people are frequently threatened. That is a fact that needs no references. More importantly, high profile people are often in danger WITHOUT being threatened first. Just ask the Kennedy family or John Lennon.
Killed purely, and simply, because they were high profile.

Anyone who could attack a whole group of them would go down in history, and the evidence is that there are people like that about. We still remember Guy Fawkes after hundreds of years and he wasn't even successful. So massive security is a no-brainer.
"Who has publicly said they wish to 'harm' the Bilderberg participants? Can you provide links/references? To date, no Bilderberg protests have involved violence." High profile people are frequently threatened. That is a fact that needs no references. More importantly, high profile people are often in danger WITHOUT being threatened first. Just ask the Kennedy family or John Lennon. Killed purely, and simply, because they were high profile. Anyone who could attack a whole group of them would go down in history, and the evidence is that there are people like that about. We still remember Guy Fawkes after hundreds of years and he wasn't even successful. So massive security is a no-brainer. LSC
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1:56pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Scoiattolo says...

How dare anyone protest in this free country. It's their fault that our police forces are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our papers.

Oh how an act of a free people like protest is so responsible for turning our government and police into something that resembles the Stazi!
How dare anyone protest in this free country. It's their fault that our police forces are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our papers. Oh how an act of a free people like protest is so responsible for turning our government and police into something that resembles the Stazi! Scoiattolo
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1:57pm Mon 3 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

Tony, Roy and LSC: you are still trying to support the untenable position that the No2Bilderberg activists are some sort of real threat without the slightest shred of evidence to support your claims.
Citing the Kennedy assassination is simply not credible or relevant. My guess is that least half of all Americans do not find the official explanation at all credible, so why cite this and end up by muddying your own and others' understanding?
John Lennon was killed by a lone individual who clearly had mental health issues.
With the level of internal security at the Grove - which I trust the hotel and Bilderg Group are meeting the cost of - I would expect that they will be able to secure the safety of their visitors without having recourse to public funds.
If something along the lines of the Brighton bombing or Downing Street mortar attack were to take place, this would be staged by a shadowy group far more organised than the protestors coming to Watford to demonstrate against Bilderberg.
Indeed, it could be argued that by assembling so many high profile individuals in one location, the police and hotel are sanctioning a situation which almost attracts groups and individuals seeking spectacular incidents to launch an attack on the hotel and their guests.
This is the very last thing Watford would want to gain national and international publicity about. Perhaps - as I have previously suggested - the conference could be moved to a more remote part of the world where it will be easier to secure the safety of the guests?
This would also have the undoubted benefit of cutting public expenditure on police measures and restore a proper sense of our rights and freedoms over the indulgent activities of rich and influential people.
Do we really need this Bilderberg crowd in Watford? I do not think so.
Tony, Roy and LSC: you are still trying to support the untenable position that the No2Bilderberg activists are some sort of real threat without the slightest shred of evidence to support your claims. Citing the Kennedy assassination is simply not credible or relevant. My guess is that least half of all Americans do not find the official explanation at all credible, so why cite this and end up by muddying your own and others' understanding? John Lennon was killed by a lone individual who clearly had mental health issues. With the level of internal security at the Grove - which I trust the hotel and Bilderg Group are meeting the cost of - I would expect that they will be able to secure the safety of their visitors without having recourse to public funds. If something along the lines of the Brighton bombing or Downing Street mortar attack were to take place, this would be staged by a shadowy group far more organised than the protestors coming to Watford to demonstrate against Bilderberg. Indeed, it could be argued that by assembling so many high profile individuals in one location, the police and hotel are sanctioning a situation which almost attracts groups and individuals seeking spectacular incidents to launch an attack on the hotel and their guests. This is the very last thing Watford would want to gain national and international publicity about. Perhaps - as I have previously suggested - the conference could be moved to a more remote part of the world where it will be easier to secure the safety of the guests? This would also have the undoubted benefit of cutting public expenditure on police measures and restore a proper sense of our rights and freedoms over the indulgent activities of rich and influential people. Do we really need this Bilderberg crowd in Watford? I do not think so. John Dowdle
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2:01pm Mon 3 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Over the past couple of days we have been hearing about three peers and one MP who are being investigated for being willing to accept payments from lobby groups to basically provide influence in the house of lords and house of commons.

I've said this a few times before but with not response, if the protesters are really concerned about dodgy dealings between politics and business then protest outside Parliament (or insert appropriate capitol building if from abroad) as the above type of things happens every single day of every single week across the globe. The above is REAL whilst all you have against Bilderberg is figments of your and other peoples imagination.

If you're genuine stop protesting about something which you know nothing about and turn your attention to the places where what you are concerned about does happen day in day out.
Over the past couple of days we have been hearing about three peers and one MP who are being investigated for being willing to accept payments from lobby groups to basically provide influence in the house of lords and house of commons. I've said this a few times before but with not response, if the protesters are really concerned about dodgy dealings between politics and business then protest outside Parliament (or insert appropriate capitol building if from abroad) as the above type of things happens every single day of every single week across the globe. The above is REAL whilst all you have against Bilderberg is figments of your and other peoples imagination. If you're genuine stop protesting about something which you know nothing about and turn your attention to the places where what you are concerned about does happen day in day out. garston tony
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2:06pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Scoiattolo says...

garston tony wrote:
BS your wavelength is off kilter, you persist in posting stuff as if it is relevant to Bilderberg or proves a point when it actually doesnt at all. It just continues to make you look like a loon!

What was the point of the Jim Rogers transcript exactly? It proved none of the theories anyone has made up about Bilderberg, so what was the point?


JD, i'm not accusing the protesters of being guilty of any crime. I have pointed out that the reason for the police prescence is that in recent years this type of protest has often been turned violent by what I would hope is a small minority of people. As the attention on Bilderberg has increased in recent years so must unfortunately the protection offered to allow people to go about their lawful business.

I love however the irony of being accussed of assuming the protesters guilt of something when the whole protest itself is based on a massive assumption that the Bildergerg meetings are up to no good! Show me the proof, any of you, that the Bilderberg meetings have or are going to lead to any errosion of our human rights? Because so far we've had zip, zilch, nada, nowt nothing in terms of evidence, just random c r a p like I said before
It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.

It is FAR from legal in the USA. Go read it. United States Code -18 USC § 953
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: BS your wavelength is off kilter, you persist in posting stuff as if it is relevant to Bilderberg or proves a point when it actually doesnt at all. It just continues to make you look like a loon! What was the point of the Jim Rogers transcript exactly? It proved none of the theories anyone has made up about Bilderberg, so what was the point? JD, i'm not accusing the protesters of being guilty of any crime. I have pointed out that the reason for the police prescence is that in recent years this type of protest has often been turned violent by what I would hope is a small minority of people. As the attention on Bilderberg has increased in recent years so must unfortunately the protection offered to allow people to go about their lawful business. I love however the irony of being accussed of assuming the protesters guilt of something when the whole protest itself is based on a massive assumption that the Bildergerg meetings are up to no good! Show me the proof, any of you, that the Bilderberg meetings have or are going to lead to any errosion of our human rights? Because so far we've had zip, zilch, nada, nowt nothing in terms of evidence, just random c r a p like I said before[/p][/quote]It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner. It is FAR from legal in the USA. Go read it. United States Code -18 USC § 953 Scoiattolo
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2:10pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Now THAT I do agree with, Tony! Why aren't people protesting outside Westminster about the MPs expenses fiddles and the cash-for-lobbying scandal? How many more exposures of politicians' rackets must there be before people wake up to the fact that many of them are just crooks and chancers on the make, rather than elected to serve their country?

I always knew that when the press had got over Leveson and his unnecessary inquiry they would seek revenge on politicians again and I was right.
Now THAT I do agree with, Tony! Why aren't people protesting outside Westminster about the MPs expenses fiddles and the cash-for-lobbying scandal? How many more exposures of politicians' rackets must there be before people wake up to the fact that many of them are just crooks and chancers on the make, rather than elected to serve their country? I always knew that when the press had got over Leveson and his unnecessary inquiry they would seek revenge on politicians again and I was right. Roy Stockdill
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2:12pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.<

Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US.
>It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.< Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US. Roy Stockdill
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2:15pm Mon 3 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Scoiattolo wrote:
How dare anyone protest in this free country. It's their fault that our police forces are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our papers. Oh how an act of a free people like protest is so responsible for turning our government and police into something that resembles the Stazi!
Erm, no one is saying they cant protest. Fill yet boots for all I care about that.

But protesting does bring with it an appropriate police response depending on what the protest is about etc.

The police arent there to stop the protest but the police are necessary. Its therefore ridiculous of people to want to protest on the one hand and on the other have a go for there being a police response. Thats wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

And those who are joining the protest only because there is going to be a police presence are just adding fuel to the fire. They are adding to the need for what they are protesting about making their protest into a self fulfilling one!
[quote][p][bold]Scoiattolo[/bold] wrote: How dare anyone protest in this free country. It's their fault that our police forces are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our papers. Oh how an act of a free people like protest is so responsible for turning our government and police into something that resembles the Stazi![/p][/quote]Erm, no one is saying they cant protest. Fill yet boots for all I care about that. But protesting does bring with it an appropriate police response depending on what the protest is about etc. The police arent there to stop the protest but the police are necessary. Its therefore ridiculous of people to want to protest on the one hand and on the other have a go for there being a police response. Thats wanting to have your cake and eat it too. And those who are joining the protest only because there is going to be a police presence are just adding fuel to the fire. They are adding to the need for what they are protesting about making their protest into a self fulfilling one! garston tony
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2:16pm Mon 3 Jun 13

garston tony says...

JD, every time G7 meet there are peaceful protests planned. I think i'm right in saying in recent years every time G7 meet those friendly protests turn violent. We had the peaceful protest planned a couple of years ago against student fees which also turned violent. To some extent the peaceful if emotionally charged protest about that chap shot by the police a couple of years ago (where the police were found to be right in what they said) turned into nationwide rioting.

There is scope for any protest to turn violent hence the need for a police prescence. There is scope for a lone individual to try something also hence the need for a police presence. Very recent and real events show that genuine, peaceful protest can be hijacked by others wanting to cause trouble, mayhem and harm. Unless you've been living in a cave the past few years the need for a police presence if bleeding obvious.
JD, every time G7 meet there are peaceful protests planned. I think i'm right in saying in recent years every time G7 meet those friendly protests turn violent. We had the peaceful protest planned a couple of years ago against student fees which also turned violent. To some extent the peaceful if emotionally charged protest about that chap shot by the police a couple of years ago (where the police were found to be right in what they said) turned into nationwide rioting. There is scope for any protest to turn violent hence the need for a police prescence. There is scope for a lone individual to try something also hence the need for a police presence. Very recent and real events show that genuine, peaceful protest can be hijacked by others wanting to cause trouble, mayhem and harm. Unless you've been living in a cave the past few years the need for a police presence if bleeding obvious. garston tony
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2:47pm Mon 3 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

Dear Tony:
'...if bleeding obvious.' ?
Your constant blogging has caused you to achieve a level of incoherence which is now all too apparent.
I suggest you give it a rest and get on with what is truly important in your life.
Best wishes,
John Dowdle
Dear Tony: '...if bleeding obvious.' ? Your constant blogging has caused you to achieve a level of incoherence which is now all too apparent. I suggest you give it a rest and get on with what is truly important in your life. Best wishes, John Dowdle John Dowdle
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2:51pm Mon 3 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

With regard to yet more parliamentary sleaze, I suggest all concerned readers visit the Unlock Democracy web site http://action.unlock
democracy.org.uk/dav
id-cameron and pursue the matter through their campaigning activities.
On-line pressure - if supported by enough people - can have much more impact than standing outside the House of Lords shouting out about it.
With regard to yet more parliamentary sleaze, I suggest all concerned readers visit the Unlock Democracy web site http://action.unlock democracy.org.uk/dav id-cameron and pursue the matter through their campaigning activities. On-line pressure - if supported by enough people - can have much more impact than standing outside the House of Lords shouting out about it. John Dowdle
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3:36pm Mon 3 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Scoiattolo wrote:
garston tony wrote: BS your wavelength is off kilter, you persist in posting stuff as if it is relevant to Bilderberg or proves a point when it actually doesnt at all. It just continues to make you look like a loon! What was the point of the Jim Rogers transcript exactly? It proved none of the theories anyone has made up about Bilderberg, so what was the point? JD, i'm not accusing the protesters of being guilty of any crime. I have pointed out that the reason for the police prescence is that in recent years this type of protest has often been turned violent by what I would hope is a small minority of people. As the attention on Bilderberg has increased in recent years so must unfortunately the protection offered to allow people to go about their lawful business. I love however the irony of being accussed of assuming the protesters guilt of something when the whole protest itself is based on a massive assumption that the Bildergerg meetings are up to no good! Show me the proof, any of you, that the Bilderberg meetings have or are going to lead to any errosion of our human rights? Because so far we've had zip, zilch, nada, nowt nothing in terms of evidence, just random c r a p like I said before
It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner. It is FAR from legal in the USA. Go read it. United States Code -18 USC § 953
FACT - you dont know what is being discussed.

FACT - you also dont know any negotiations are taking place. The stated aim of the meetings is to allow frank and open discussions. Frank and open discussions does not equate making agreements or negotiating.

FACT - the Logan Act forbids unathorised citizens from negotiating with governments. Many of those attending are from the business world, and no government official from any state is attending in an official capacity. Therefore no negotiation can actually take place with another government and therefore even if negotiations are taking place (see fact above) the act is not being breached.

FACT - Its typically arrogant of a US citizen to think that its all about you you you. US government officials represent a handful of all those thought to be going, for the vast vast majority of those attending the Logan Act does not apply in any way shape or form. If they wanted to they could negotiate till they drop with exhaution and use the logan act to wipe their behinds with for all that it affects them.
[quote][p][bold]Scoiattolo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: BS your wavelength is off kilter, you persist in posting stuff as if it is relevant to Bilderberg or proves a point when it actually doesnt at all. It just continues to make you look like a loon! What was the point of the Jim Rogers transcript exactly? It proved none of the theories anyone has made up about Bilderberg, so what was the point? JD, i'm not accusing the protesters of being guilty of any crime. I have pointed out that the reason for the police prescence is that in recent years this type of protest has often been turned violent by what I would hope is a small minority of people. As the attention on Bilderberg has increased in recent years so must unfortunately the protection offered to allow people to go about their lawful business. I love however the irony of being accussed of assuming the protesters guilt of something when the whole protest itself is based on a massive assumption that the Bildergerg meetings are up to no good! Show me the proof, any of you, that the Bilderberg meetings have or are going to lead to any errosion of our human rights? Because so far we've had zip, zilch, nada, nowt nothing in terms of evidence, just random c r a p like I said before[/p][/quote]It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner. It is FAR from legal in the USA. Go read it. United States Code -18 USC § 953[/p][/quote]FACT - you dont know what is being discussed. FACT - you also dont know any negotiations are taking place. The stated aim of the meetings is to allow frank and open discussions. Frank and open discussions does not equate making agreements or negotiating. FACT - the Logan Act forbids unathorised citizens from negotiating with governments. Many of those attending are from the business world, and no government official from any state is attending in an official capacity. Therefore no negotiation can actually take place with another government and therefore even if negotiations are taking place (see fact above) the act is not being breached. FACT - Its typically arrogant of a US citizen to think that its all about you you you. US government officials represent a handful of all those thought to be going, for the vast vast majority of those attending the Logan Act does not apply in any way shape or form. If they wanted to they could negotiate till they drop with exhaution and use the logan act to wipe their behinds with for all that it affects them. garston tony
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3:44pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

When someobody (Bilderbergsucks probably) first raised the Logan Act I thought it must be something to do with the import/expert of loganberries! As you say, it has no meaning whatsoever in this country, but many Americans are so insular and parochial in their attitudes to the rest of the world that they think nothing else matters except whatever applies in the US.

Indeed, if some of them are planning to come from America for this conference protest, I wonder how they will ever manage to find Watford!
When someobody (Bilderbergsucks probably) first raised the Logan Act I thought it must be something to do with the import/expert of loganberries! As you say, it has no meaning whatsoever in this country, but many Americans are so insular and parochial in their attitudes to the rest of the world that they think nothing else matters except whatever applies in the US. Indeed, if some of them are planning to come from America for this conference protest, I wonder how they will ever manage to find Watford! Roy Stockdill
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3:48pm Mon 3 Jun 13

garston tony says...

JD, constant blogging! I've not posted anything since Friday until this morning. Hardly constant is it?

But yes, if you want to be petty that should have read 'is bleeding obvious'. I've always thought however that if people prefer to comment on grammar and spelling etc rather than the substance of a post that they have nothing valid to contribute to the actual discussion taking place. If that is the case JD, and to be honest your posts seem to confirm it, maybe you should stop yourself hey.

Or if you agree so much about parliamentary sleeze, why dont you have a chat to your fellow anti Bilderbergers and arrange a protest outside Westminster next weekend. After all isnt the real sleaze going on there the same as the alleged sleaze the protesters assume is going to go on at the Grove?
JD, constant blogging! I've not posted anything since Friday until this morning. Hardly constant is it? But yes, if you want to be petty that should have read 'is bleeding obvious'. I've always thought however that if people prefer to comment on grammar and spelling etc rather than the substance of a post that they have nothing valid to contribute to the actual discussion taking place. If that is the case JD, and to be honest your posts seem to confirm it, maybe you should stop yourself hey. Or if you agree so much about parliamentary sleeze, why dont you have a chat to your fellow anti Bilderbergers and arrange a protest outside Westminster next weekend. After all isnt the real sleaze going on there the same as the alleged sleaze the protesters assume is going to go on at the Grove? garston tony
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5:27pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Retlas says...

A little light relief, I hope it works!!

Copy and paste into the web address of your browser.

http://lake.blogs.co
m/.a/6a00d8345265486
9e200e55282a8928834-
500pi
A little light relief, I hope it works!! Copy and paste into the web address of your browser. http://lake.blogs.co m/.a/6a00d8345265486 9e200e55282a8928834- 500pi Retlas
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5:34pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Retlas says...

Sorry — it doesn't work work but it is a picture of Fraser from Dads Army saying

"We're all doomed, DOOMED"
Sorry — it doesn't work work but it is a picture of Fraser from Dads Army saying "We're all doomed, DOOMED" Retlas
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8:20pm Mon 3 Jun 13

LSC says...

"How dare anyone protest in this free country. It's their fault that our police forces are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our papers."

How dare anyone hold a meeting in this free country. It's their fault that our protesters are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our minutes and agenda.

Tell me the difference.
"How dare anyone protest in this free country. It's their fault that our police forces are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our papers." How dare anyone hold a meeting in this free country. It's their fault that our protesters are acting like fascist authoritarians making us show our minutes and agenda. Tell me the difference. LSC
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8:37pm Mon 3 Jun 13

LSC says...

"Indeed, it could be argued that by assembling so many high profile individuals in one location, the police and hotel are sanctioning a situation which almost attracts groups and individuals seeking spectacular incidents to launch an attack on the hotel and their guests."

What a chilling statement. Are you actually suggesting we run scared of organisations whose purpose is to kill and maim to get their own ends?
That we change our civilised way of life to accomodate fringe groups, terrorists and individual nutters?

Over my dead body. And the dead bodies of everyone who ever fought for the freedoms we have in this country.
"Indeed, it could be argued that by assembling so many high profile individuals in one location, the police and hotel are sanctioning a situation which almost attracts groups and individuals seeking spectacular incidents to launch an attack on the hotel and their guests." What a chilling statement. Are you actually suggesting we run scared of organisations whose purpose is to kill and maim to get their own ends? That we change our civilised way of life to accomodate fringe groups, terrorists and individual nutters? Over my dead body. And the dead bodies of everyone who ever fought for the freedoms we have in this country. LSC
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11:36pm Mon 3 Jun 13

Watford Coalition of Resistance says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.&lt;

Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US.
The Logan Act applies to American citizens, no matter who they are, or where they are. So, if an American citizen was deemed to have fallen foul of the act here in the UK, it would apply.

Rather like their Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.< Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US.[/p][/quote]The Logan Act applies to American citizens, no matter who they are, or where they are. So, if an American citizen was deemed to have fallen foul of the act here in the UK, it would apply. Rather like their Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Watford Coalition of Resistance
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11:53pm Mon 3 Jun 13

LSC says...

Watford Coalition of Resistance wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.&lt;

Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US.
The Logan Act applies to American citizens, no matter who they are, or where they are. So, if an American citizen was deemed to have fallen foul of the act here in the UK, it would apply.

Rather like their Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
I'm a little confused. I thought you didn't like global control, and yet you want a USA law to be enacted in Watford, England.

And you would want our Nazi oppressive police to enacted it, no doubt.

You do seem to like having cake and eating it.
[quote][p][bold]Watford Coalition of Resistance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.< Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US.[/p][/quote]The Logan Act applies to American citizens, no matter who they are, or where they are. So, if an American citizen was deemed to have fallen foul of the act here in the UK, it would apply. Rather like their Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.[/p][/quote]I'm a little confused. I thought you didn't like global control, and yet you want a USA law to be enacted in Watford, England. And you would want our Nazi oppressive police to enacted it, no doubt. You do seem to like having cake and eating it. LSC
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12:14am Tue 4 Jun 13

Watford Coalition of Resistance says...

LSC wrote:
Watford Coalition of Resistance wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.&lt;

Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US.
The Logan Act applies to American citizens, no matter who they are, or where they are. So, if an American citizen was deemed to have fallen foul of the act here in the UK, it would apply.

Rather like their Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
I'm a little confused. I thought you didn't like global control, and yet you want a USA law to be enacted in Watford, England.

And you would want our Nazi oppressive police to enacted it, no doubt.

You do seem to like having cake and eating it.
It's no wonder you are confused - you are very naive. It is a statement of fact that the Logan Act applies to US citizens where ever they might be - including in the UK. Stating a fact neither condones or condemns, it simply expresses how things are.

The Logan Act is a US law that applies to American citizens regardless of where they may be if/when they break the said law. If they felt the law had been broken, the American State would/could prosecute.

You may or may not find it objectionable but, it is an American law that applies to American citizens.
[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford Coalition of Resistance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >It's hardly an assumption that they are violating the Logan act here in the US when US politicians meet in private to discuss things that they have no business discussing or deciding in such a manner.< Find me one person in a thousand - no, make that 10,000 - who's ever heard of the Logan Act in the UK. Whatever it is, it doesn't apply here, any more than a British law would apply in the US.[/p][/quote]The Logan Act applies to American citizens, no matter who they are, or where they are. So, if an American citizen was deemed to have fallen foul of the act here in the UK, it would apply. Rather like their Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.[/p][/quote]I'm a little confused. I thought you didn't like global control, and yet you want a USA law to be enacted in Watford, England. And you would want our Nazi oppressive police to enacted it, no doubt. You do seem to like having cake and eating it.[/p][/quote]It's no wonder you are confused - you are very naive. It is a statement of fact that the Logan Act applies to US citizens where ever they might be - including in the UK. Stating a fact neither condones or condemns, it simply expresses how things are. The Logan Act is a US law that applies to American citizens regardless of where they may be if/when they break the said law. If they felt the law had been broken, the American State would/could prosecute. You may or may not find it objectionable but, it is an American law that applies to American citizens. Watford Coalition of Resistance
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9:15am Tue 4 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Well, if you think any American citizens attending the Bilderberg conference are breaking some obscure American law or other, surely it's up to another American - and I expect there will be some among the protesters - to report it to the US authorities and ask them to prosecute. Why bother us with such semantic nonsense?

I still think it sounds as if it has something to do with the import and export of loganberries!
Well, if you think any American citizens attending the Bilderberg conference are breaking some obscure American law or other, surely it's up to another American - and I expect there will be some among the protesters - to report it to the US authorities and ask them to prosecute. Why bother us with such semantic nonsense? I still think it sounds as if it has something to do with the import and export of loganberries! Roy Stockdill
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10:49am Tue 4 Jun 13

LSC says...

I still don't get it. This Logan law is global and therefore authortarian and intrusive on the rights of citizens of the US no matter where they are in the world.

And you support it?

I thought that sort of system was everything you are against?

Or does it just suit your needs this time...
I still don't get it. This Logan law is global and therefore authortarian and intrusive on the rights of citizens of the US no matter where they are in the world. And you support it? I thought that sort of system was everything you are against? Or does it just suit your needs this time... LSC
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10:58am Tue 4 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I think you've put your finger on the nub, LSC! I don't think some of these people really know what they think or why they are protesting.
I think you've put your finger on the nub, LSC! I don't think some of these people really know what they think or why they are protesting. Roy Stockdill
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11:16am Tue 4 Jun 13

LSC says...

It just baffles me Roy. These people want freedom, open government and less authority over their lives.
In order to get it, they want to use a rule that defies all three.

Incredible. And he called me naive.
It just baffles me Roy. These people want freedom, open government and less authority over their lives. In order to get it, they want to use a rule that defies all three. Incredible. And he called me naive. LSC
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11:18am Tue 4 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Well, that's Americans for you. Logic and irony never were their strong points!
Well, that's Americans for you. Logic and irony never were their strong points! Roy Stockdill
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12:16pm Tue 4 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Watford coalition, i'd refer to my previous post

No one knows what is being discussed so no one knows negotiations are taking place therefore no one can claim the Logan Act is being breached. Fact, fact,fact.

Secondly the majority of those attending are not US citizens so the act does not apply to them anyway. Fact.

Why bring are people bring up this act over and over when it has no relevance or basis in fact?
Watford coalition, i'd refer to my previous post No one knows what is being discussed so no one knows negotiations are taking place therefore no one can claim the Logan Act is being breached. Fact, fact,fact. Secondly the majority of those attending are not US citizens so the act does not apply to them anyway. Fact. Why bring are people bring up this act over and over when it has no relevance or basis in fact? garston tony
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12:30pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

As both LSC and I said earlier, Tony, Americans only ever think the world belongs to them and nobody else is of any consequence. I have been to America many times and am fond of my American cousins, but they really are the most insular and parochial people in the world and appear to be largely ignorant of what goes on outside the US.

I will be quite surprised if some of them even manage to find Watford!
As both LSC and I said earlier, Tony, Americans only ever think the world belongs to them and nobody else is of any consequence. I have been to America many times and am fond of my American cousins, but they really are the most insular and parochial people in the world and appear to be largely ignorant of what goes on outside the US. I will be quite surprised if some of them even manage to find Watford! Roy Stockdill
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6:58pm Tue 4 Jun 13

polonius says...

well thats a sweeping generalization and ignorant in its nature. I to having been to america and can categorically say this is untrue, YOU SIR ARE INSIPID and tawdry and this is why you come here and spew you,re bile because you lack. the good nature of reason discourse
well thats a sweeping generalization and ignorant in its nature. I to having been to america and can categorically say this is untrue, YOU SIR ARE INSIPID and tawdry and this is why you come here and spew you,re bile because you lack. the good nature of reason discourse polonius
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7:15pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

A somewhat ungrammatical statement, if I might say so, and difficult to follow in its structure!

But I stand by my original comment that many Americans are naive, badly educated and very ignorant of the world outside America.
A somewhat ungrammatical statement, if I might say so, and difficult to follow in its structure! But I stand by my original comment that many Americans are naive, badly educated and very ignorant of the world outside America. Roy Stockdill
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12:21am Wed 5 Jun 13

polonius says...

to roy stockdill you,re diplomacy is exemplory. Theirs another person that expressed views similar to you. That tarred one people all with the same brush. Didnt turn out to good for him. go polish youre jackboots
to roy stockdill you,re diplomacy is exemplory. Theirs another person that expressed views similar to you. That tarred one people all with the same brush. Didnt turn out to good for him. go polish youre jackboots polonius
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8:01am Wed 5 Jun 13

Alfie Nokes says...

James Corbett's most recent upload to youtube is titled "Bilderberg Exposed: Leaks, Whistleblowers, and Secrets"

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=T36Jkh3AA
D8

go on, you know you want to...
James Corbett's most recent upload to youtube is titled "Bilderberg Exposed: Leaks, Whistleblowers, and Secrets" http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=T36Jkh3AA D8 go on, you know you want to... Alfie Nokes
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10:32am Wed 5 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>to roy stockdill you,re diplomacy is exemplory. Theirs another person that expressed views similar to you. That tarred one people all with the same brush. Didnt turn out to good for him. go polish youre jackboots<

I do so admire your elegant command of the English language! Did you go to school and, if so, where? Did no-one ever teach you about spelling, when to use "there" and "their", how to use apostrophes and other punctuation marks and how to construct a simple sentence in correct English so that it can be understood by others?

The general level of literacy on this website is frequently appalling and it is no wonder that so many of the younger generation are unable to get jobs, since they are semi-literate and frequently innumerate also, which makes them virtually unemployable! I cannot but wonder what sort of people our education system, such as it is, is turning out.
>to roy stockdill you,re diplomacy is exemplory. Theirs another person that expressed views similar to you. That tarred one people all with the same brush. Didnt turn out to good for him. go polish youre jackboots< I do so admire your elegant command of the English language! Did you go to school and, if so, where? Did no-one ever teach you about spelling, when to use "there" and "their", how to use apostrophes and other punctuation marks and how to construct a simple sentence in correct English so that it can be understood by others? The general level of literacy on this website is frequently appalling and it is no wonder that so many of the younger generation are unable to get jobs, since they are semi-literate and frequently innumerate also, which makes them virtually unemployable! I cannot but wonder what sort of people our education system, such as it is, is turning out. Roy Stockdill
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11:27am Wed 5 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Polonius, you dont like sweeping statements?

Well why do you ascribe to the sweeping statement that people who are rich or work for government must be up to no good if they want to meet in privacy?
Polonius, you dont like sweeping statements? Well why do you ascribe to the sweeping statement that people who are rich or work for government must be up to no good if they want to meet in privacy? garston tony
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11:50am Wed 5 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Polonius sounds as if he ought to be a character from Monty Python's Life of Brian or Frankie Howerd's Up Pompei.

However, the original Polonius was a character in Shakespeare's Hamlet and the Wikipedia reference says of him: "Generally regarded as wrong in every judgement he makes over the course of the play, Polonius is described by William Hazlitt as a "sincere" father, but also "a busy-body, is accordingly officious, garrulous, and impertinent." In Act II Hamlet refers to Polonius as a "tedious old fool" and taunts him as a latter day "Jeptha".

Sound appropriate somehow?
Polonius sounds as if he ought to be a character from Monty Python's Life of Brian or Frankie Howerd's Up Pompei. However, the original Polonius was a character in Shakespeare's Hamlet and the Wikipedia reference says of him: "Generally regarded as wrong in every judgement he makes over the course of the play, Polonius is described by William Hazlitt as a "sincere" father, but also "a busy-body, [who] is accordingly officious, garrulous, and impertinent." In Act II Hamlet refers to Polonius as a "tedious old fool" and taunts him as a latter day "Jeptha". Sound appropriate somehow? Roy Stockdill
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6:46am Thu 6 Jun 13

Alfie Nokes says...

Isn't Hamlet the one with the "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" line, although I think it's in the next act...
Isn't Hamlet the one with the "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" line, although I think it's in the next act... Alfie Nokes
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3:20pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Harrydownunder says...

Why are comments not available on the Burka robbery?

Afraid of the truth WO?

Ban the Burka!
Why are comments not available on the Burka robbery? Afraid of the truth WO? Ban the Burka! Harrydownunder
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3:40pm Sat 8 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

Newspapers usually restrict comments where criminal investigation and prosecution cases are concerned, as to do otherwise may risk their being prosecuted themselves for acting in contempt of court, which can lead to substantial fines being levied on them.
Newspapers usually restrict comments where criminal investigation and prosecution cases are concerned, as to do otherwise may risk their being prosecuted themselves for acting in contempt of court, which can lead to substantial fines being levied on them. John Dowdle
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3:52pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I'm afraid I don't know which story Harrydownunder is talking about, but if it concerns a robbery then John is quite right. All newspapers as far as I am aware don't permit comments on their websites while a case is still pending a court hearing. To do so would be extremely dangerous and a contempt of court, as John says. The paper could be fined or the editor even go to jail.
I'm afraid I don't know which story Harrydownunder is talking about, but if it concerns a robbery then John is quite right. All newspapers as far as I am aware don't permit comments on their websites while a case is still pending a court hearing. To do so would be extremely dangerous and a contempt of court, as John says. The paper could be fined or the editor even go to jail. Roy Stockdill
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