Bilderberg Fringe organisers apply for Temporary Events Notice for Cassiobury Park event

The council confirmed a new application to host an event in Cassiobury Park was received on May 28.

The council confirmed a new application to host an event in Cassiobury Park was received on May 28.

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The main protest against the Bilderberg group meeting next month is likely to be held in Cassiobury Park, the Watford Observer can reveal.

Organisers of the Bilderberg Fringe have applied for a Temporary Events Notice (TEN) to hold an event in the town-centre park from June 7 to June 9.

The TEN application is for a "Family-oriented festival featuring entertainment including bands, DJs, speakers, public debate, theatre and art. Music genres are folk, jazz, world music and reggae.”

The application also seeks permission to sell food, cider and ale (but no spirits) until 2am and play amplified music until 11pm.

A previous application to host a "family event" in a field off Hempstead Road was withdrawn the day before it was due to be considered by Watford Borough Council.

The council confirmed a new application to host an event in Cassiobury Park was received on May 28 and is being considered.

Thousands of activists are expected to descend on Watford to protest the secretive and controversial meeting of politicians, billionaire business leaders, media moguls and royals at the The Grove hotel.

This is the first time in 15 years the annual meeting has been held in the UK and cabinet minister Ken Clarke, billionaire PayPal owner Peter Thiel and Henri de Castries, the Chairman and CEO of AXA, are expected to be among the attendees.

The Bilderberg Welcoming Committee, which is organising events around the meeting, says demonstrators will use the event to call for "transparency in politics; and those for corporations and banks responsible to be held properly accountable for tax avoidance, the LIBOR fraud and misselling".

Hannah Borno, spokesman for the group, said: "Cassiobury Park was chosen because of its proximity to The Grove and the fact it would cause the minimum disruption to nearby residents."

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12:09pm Wed 29 May 13

Felinefrenzi says...

If this is a family friendly event then why do they need a license to serve alcohol until 2am, and amplified music until 11pm.
It is not bad enough that this 'secret' conference is in Watford, that now they plan this unwelcome protest event, that will attract thousands of visitors to the park, until 2am.
According to Watford Councils website 'residents and businesses are not able to object to TENS'. This gives us no way to object to this event then??
If this is a family friendly event then why do they need a license to serve alcohol until 2am, and amplified music until 11pm. It is not bad enough that this 'secret' conference is in Watford, that now they plan this unwelcome protest event, that will attract thousands of visitors to the park, until 2am. According to Watford Councils website 'residents and businesses are not able to object to TENS'. This gives us no way to object to this event then?? Felinefrenzi
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1:04pm Wed 29 May 13

MarsLander says...

Whilst I am sure the squirrels and maybe even the birds will welcome more nuts in Cassiobury Park, the human residents will not.

As such, the council would be failing in its duty to residents if it granted this licence to create mayhem.

Cassiobury park is nice and peaceful, let's keep it that way.
Whilst I am sure the squirrels and maybe even the birds will welcome more nuts in Cassiobury Park, the human residents will not. As such, the council would be failing in its duty to residents if it granted this licence to create mayhem. Cassiobury park is nice and peaceful, let's keep it that way. MarsLander
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1:31pm Wed 29 May 13

G_Whiz says...

With all the publicity this paper is giving this protest group - you would have thought our own newspaper wanted chaos in Watford!

And who will pay for the policing and clean up of this boozy rave?
With all the publicity this paper is giving this protest group - you would have thought our own newspaper wanted chaos in Watford! And who will pay for the policing and clean up of this boozy rave? G_Whiz
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1:46pm Wed 29 May 13

dontknowynot says...

great fantastic brilliant just what we need a nice festival for all the familey to enjoy and here in watford, yippee, maybe we could make it a regular event, maybe Bilderberg could come here every year, great fantastic bring it on, whoppee I really am looking forward to this now!!!!
great fantastic brilliant just what we need a nice festival for all the familey to enjoy and here in watford, yippee, maybe we could make it a regular event, maybe Bilderberg could come here every year, great fantastic bring it on, whoppee I really am looking forward to this now!!!! dontknowynot
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1:49pm Wed 29 May 13

Harold Hornet says...

In a democratic society the Bilderburg Group have every right to hold their meeting, whether you agree with them or not, without the need for a demonstration. Unfortunately the 'demonstrators' only want people to believe in their views in a very undemocratic way.
In a democratic society the Bilderburg Group have every right to hold their meeting, whether you agree with them or not, without the need for a demonstration. Unfortunately the 'demonstrators' only want people to believe in their views in a very undemocratic way. Harold Hornet
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2:34pm Wed 29 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Well, I expect they'll be easy enough to recognise in the pubs! After three days in Cassiobury Park they will probably need a good wash and be recognisable by their bulging woolly hats, under which they will no doubt be sporting their halos, not to mention their Look-at-me-I'm-savin
g-the-world T-shirts.

I think I shall definitely be keeping away from the town centre from June 7-9.
Well, I expect they'll be easy enough to recognise in the pubs! After three days in Cassiobury Park they will probably need a good wash and be recognisable by their bulging woolly hats, under which they will no doubt be sporting their halos, not to mention their Look-at-me-I'm-savin g-the-world T-shirts. I think I shall definitely be keeping away from the town centre from June 7-9. Roy Stockdill
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2:43pm Wed 29 May 13

dontknowynot says...

not a jazz fan then Roy?? common I am sure they will welcome a debate, maybe you will be able to trace back the head of the BAB to Beelzebub himself.
not a jazz fan then Roy?? common I am sure they will welcome a debate, maybe you will be able to trace back the head of the BAB to Beelzebub himself. dontknowynot
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2:44pm Wed 29 May 13

dontknowynot says...

BBA that is oops
BBA that is oops dontknowynot
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3:02pm Wed 29 May 13

garston tony says...

I hear that those wanting to become masters of the universe, or at least control the world, like a bit of jazz. How nice of the protesters to lay on some entertainment for the power crazy.

On a serious note a 'family friendly' event does not sit well with a 'protest' especially when protests against similar things have been know to turn nasty. Certainly dont think its a good idea to serve alcohol and this just smacks of the protesters trying to co op people who couldnt care less about Bilderberg into their cause. Lets get it straight now, if 1000 people turn up to this family event that those not mean 1000 were protesting against Bilderberg, expecially not if they are still in nappies being pushed around in a pram.
I hear that those wanting to become masters of the universe, or at least control the world, like a bit of jazz. How nice of the protesters to lay on some entertainment for the power crazy. On a serious note a 'family friendly' event does not sit well with a 'protest' especially when protests against similar things have been know to turn nasty. Certainly dont think its a good idea to serve alcohol and this just smacks of the protesters trying to co op people who couldnt care less about Bilderberg into their cause. Lets get it straight now, if 1000 people turn up to this family event that those not mean 1000 were protesting against Bilderberg, expecially not if they are still in nappies being pushed around in a pram. garston tony
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3:05pm Wed 29 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I am a huge jazz fan, as you will discover if you take a decko at some of my favourite people and things on my Facebook page.

However, I prefer to listen to it quietly at night on my top-of-the-range hi-fi, accompanied by a decent red wine, or at concerts or places like Ronnie Scott's.

I don't much fancy sitting in the mud in Cassiobury Park listening to amateurs who probably struggle to play half a dozen notes and surrounded by the great unwashed!

Most of the jazz stars I listen to are now playing in that great music room in the sky (which of course I don't believe in), like Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Benny Goodman, Stan Getz et al.
I am a huge jazz fan, as you will discover if you take a decko at some of my favourite people and things on my Facebook page. However, I prefer to listen to it quietly at night on my top-of-the-range hi-fi, accompanied by a decent red wine, or at concerts or places like Ronnie Scott's. I don't much fancy sitting in the mud in Cassiobury Park listening to amateurs who probably struggle to play half a dozen notes and surrounded by the great unwashed! Most of the jazz stars I listen to are now playing in that great music room in the sky (which of course I don't believe in), like Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, John Coltrane, Louis Armstrong, Benny Goodman, Stan Getz et al. Roy Stockdill
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8:59pm Wed 29 May 13

Nascot says...

Will they be paying for the police and other costs associated with this event? Sound familiar?
Will they be paying for the police and other costs associated with this event? Sound familiar? Nascot
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9:27pm Wed 29 May 13

No such thing as conspiracy says...

It's pretty funny that the same four or five guys post responses immediately with the same garbage about left wing protesters, when they clearly know nothing about the event.

Why don't you just save everyone else the boredom of reading your comments and get each others emails so you can meet at a pub somewhere so you can whine directly to each other?

The protest is going ahead no matter how much you complain, Bilderberg is an illegal weekend of meetings and workshops about global governance and not everyone is a left wing nutter in favour of international socialism.

No one is protesting because they are jealous of how much money these people have, they are angry at how they have been planning in secret each year for over 50 years. They are angry that these unelected power brokers are attending one of dozens of meetings to 'talk shop' when its all about encouraging global governance. They are protesting these traitors that then come back to their respected countries with plans to dissolve their national sovereignty and individual freedoms of its citizens.

So stay ignorant and pretend that all this is done in secret for our benefit and not for the benefit of a select few.
When this meeting is over, the number of people awake to this purposely planned global takeover will have increased and armchair pundits like yourselves will have more of us to whine about.
It's pretty funny that the same four or five guys post responses immediately with the same garbage about left wing protesters, when they clearly know nothing about the event. Why don't you just save everyone else the boredom of reading your comments and get each others emails so you can meet at a pub somewhere so you can whine directly to each other? The protest is going ahead no matter how much you complain, Bilderberg is an illegal weekend of meetings and workshops about global governance and not everyone is a left wing nutter in favour of international socialism. No one is protesting because they are jealous of how much money these people have, they are angry at how they have been planning in secret each year for over 50 years. They are angry that these unelected power brokers are attending one of dozens of meetings to 'talk shop' when its all about encouraging global governance. They are protesting these traitors that then come back to their respected countries with plans to dissolve their national sovereignty and individual freedoms of its citizens. So stay ignorant and pretend that all this is done in secret for our benefit and not for the benefit of a select few. When this meeting is over, the number of people awake to this purposely planned global takeover will have increased and armchair pundits like yourselves will have more of us to whine about. No such thing as conspiracy
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9:44pm Wed 29 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

Fine, keep on whining, loser, just leave the rest of us alone to get on with our lives.
Fine, keep on whining, loser, just leave the rest of us alone to get on with our lives. Roy Stockdill
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11:53pm Wed 29 May 13

No such thing as conspiracy says...

Is there a massive conspiracy forcing you to sit in the mud with the protesters? Do you live in the park?

Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi?

Or do you just long for the day when government completely destroys things like free speech and the right to protest?

maybe you are just a sad silly man with no other outlet but forums of newspapers to talk about your hobbies and makes comments on subjects you care/know little about?

Get your mates together, get out the house and protest the protesters! That will show them!

I shouldnt be so facetious. Must be hard to go about your day with all these protesters meddling with your life.
Is there a massive conspiracy forcing you to sit in the mud with the protesters? Do you live in the park? Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi? Or do you just long for the day when government completely destroys things like free speech and the right to protest? maybe you are just a sad silly man with no other outlet but forums of newspapers to talk about your hobbies and makes comments on subjects you care/know little about? Get your mates together, get out the house and protest the protesters! That will show them! I shouldnt be so facetious. Must be hard to go about your day with all these protesters meddling with your life. No such thing as conspiracy
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12:09am Thu 30 May 13

Cuetip says...

Nascot wrote:
Will they be paying for the police and other costs associated with this event? Sound familiar?
Can you expand or at least say what you mean by other costs eg social costs, rights eroded?
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: Will they be paying for the police and other costs associated with this event? Sound familiar?[/p][/quote]Can you expand or at least say what you mean by other costs eg social costs, rights eroded? Cuetip
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12:19am Thu 30 May 13

MarsLander says...

Good men and women stand up to be counted when issues like the erosion of freedoms and liberties arise.

A bunch of toffs meeting in the Grove just doesn't have the same threat to it.

As no-one can demonstrate a threat from the conference most of us good men and women will sleep soundly in our beds whilst the conference is on, assuming of course that the council bans loud music and drink from the park during the dates of the conference.

Out of interest, why are the attendees not being pursued, why only the conference? Are the attendees, including many Brits, beyond reproach for the remainder of the year? It hardly seems well thought out, yet that will probably surprise no-one reading this thread.
Good men and women stand up to be counted when issues like the erosion of freedoms and liberties arise. A bunch of toffs meeting in the Grove just doesn't have the same threat to it. As no-one can demonstrate a threat from the conference most of us good men and women will sleep soundly in our beds whilst the conference is on, assuming of course that the council bans loud music and drink from the park during the dates of the conference. Out of interest, why are the attendees not being pursued, why only the conference? Are the attendees, including many Brits, beyond reproach for the remainder of the year? It hardly seems well thought out, yet that will probably surprise no-one reading this thread. MarsLander
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12:22am Thu 30 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Nascot wrote:
Will they be paying for the police and other costs associated with this event? Sound familiar?
no its a festival in the park , the police are going to be in Fullers anyway so maybe they could have a whip round and buy a pair of binoculars for them, but other than that I can't see a need really.
I don't know maybe they could make the police a few cups of tea and the like, maybe stretch to a packet or two of jammy dodgers.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: Will they be paying for the police and other costs associated with this event? Sound familiar?[/p][/quote]no its a festival in the park , the police are going to be in Fullers anyway so maybe they could have a whip round and buy a pair of binoculars for them, but other than that I can't see a need really. I don't know maybe they could make the police a few cups of tea and the like, maybe stretch to a packet or two of jammy dodgers. dontknowynot
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1:51am Thu 30 May 13

LSC says...

"The protest is going ahead no matter how much you complain, Bilderberg is an illegal weekend of meetings and workshops about global governance"

Fair enough. I shall leave it to the police to arrest and charge the people who attend the Bilderberg meeting.
I mean, you DO have evidence apart from madcap websites, which is all I've seen so far, don't you?
Illegal is a very defined term. Report them to the police, then you don't have to sit in a muddy field getting drunk and singing songs with your friends and miss out going to work, do you?

Everyone's a winner.
"The protest is going ahead no matter how much you complain, Bilderberg is an illegal weekend of meetings and workshops about global governance" Fair enough. I shall leave it to the police to arrest and charge the people who attend the Bilderberg meeting. I mean, you DO have evidence apart from madcap websites, which is all I've seen so far, don't you? Illegal is a very defined term. Report them to the police, then you don't have to sit in a muddy field getting drunk and singing songs with your friends and miss out going to work, do you? Everyone's a winner. LSC
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2:09am Thu 30 May 13

LSC says...

"So stay ignorant and pretend that all this is done in secret for our benefit and not for the benefit of a select few."

Of course it isn't done for my benefit. But you think wiping them out would make me....what, richer? More powerful? Because they aren't, I therefore would be by definition?
Doesn't that make me EXACTLY the type of person you object to, just on a smaller scale?
I'd have that bit more money, that bit more power, that bit more say in world events.

So where do you draw the line before I become 'one of them'?

I suspect it is when I'm richer than you.
"So stay ignorant and pretend that all this is done in secret for our benefit and not for the benefit of a select few." Of course it isn't done for my benefit. But you think wiping them out would make me....what, richer? More powerful? Because they aren't, I therefore would be by definition? Doesn't that make me EXACTLY the type of person you object to, just on a smaller scale? I'd have that bit more money, that bit more power, that bit more say in world events. So where do you draw the line before I become 'one of them'? I suspect it is when I'm richer than you. LSC
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7:26am Thu 30 May 13

underterraingrunter says...

YOU have a right to protest.
You can STOP THIS!
Organise NOW!
Search for the YouTube video 'The high court and occupy' for an example of the previous conduct of one of the organisers of this 'event'. Interesting that he defends his use of an online personality as a princess as "fun".
A Critical Mass bike ride will be less trouble for Watford.
YOU have a right to protest. You can STOP THIS! Organise NOW! Search for the YouTube video 'The high court and occupy' for an example of the previous conduct of one of the organisers of this 'event'. Interesting that he defends his use of an online personality as a princess as "fun". A Critical Mass bike ride will be less trouble for Watford. underterraingrunter
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7:34am Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

'Bilderberg is an illegal weekend of meetings and workshops about global governance'

Evidence please..... oh, you dont have any.

Workshops! Sorry, but my stereotypical image of workshops prevents me from doing anything other than giggle at the thought of government officials and ceo's sitting in a room role playing scenarios. 'Now chancellor, you be the receptionist whilst CEO x will be the angry customer'.... maybe they could get David Brent in to play the guitar?


I have nothing against people protesting, i've said elsewhere go for it if that is really what you want to do. However I stand by my point, a 'festival' does not sit well with a protest especially when there is the real possibility that that protest could turn nasty
'Bilderberg is an illegal weekend of meetings and workshops about global governance' Evidence please..... oh, you dont have any. Workshops! Sorry, but my stereotypical image of workshops prevents me from doing anything other than giggle at the thought of government officials and ceo's sitting in a room role playing scenarios. 'Now chancellor, you be the receptionist whilst CEO x will be the angry customer'.... maybe they could get David Brent in to play the guitar? I have nothing against people protesting, i've said elsewhere go for it if that is really what you want to do. However I stand by my point, a 'festival' does not sit well with a protest especially when there is the real possibility that that protest could turn nasty garston tony
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9:45am Thu 30 May 13

Cuetip says...

Chartism flourished in hard times, and faded during prosperity. Political elites saw the movement as dangerous and refused to negotiate with it or deal with its demands. The government permanently crushed the movement in 1848. The movement produced no immediate reforms, but it did attract the attention of the working class, who were not allowed to vote. Historians see Chartism as both a continuation of the 18th century fight against corruption and as a new stage in demands for democracy in an industrial society.[
Chartism flourished in hard times, and faded during prosperity. Political elites saw the movement as dangerous and refused to negotiate with it or deal with its demands. The government permanently crushed the movement in 1848. The movement produced no immediate reforms, but it did attract the attention of the working class, who were not allowed to vote. Historians see Chartism as both a continuation of the 18th century fight against corruption and as a new stage in demands for democracy in an industrial society.[ Cuetip
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10:25am Thu 30 May 13

bilderbergsucks says...

No such thing as conspiracy wrote:
Is there a massive conspiracy forcing you to sit in the mud with the protesters? Do you live in the park?

Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi?

Or do you just long for the day when government completely destroys things like free speech and the right to protest?

maybe you are just a sad silly man with no other outlet but forums of newspapers to talk about your hobbies and makes comments on subjects you care/know little about?

Get your mates together, get out the house and protest the protesters! That will show them!

I shouldnt be so facetious. Must be hard to go about your day with all these protesters meddling with your life.
Lol!!
[quote][p][bold]No such thing as conspiracy[/bold] wrote: Is there a massive conspiracy forcing you to sit in the mud with the protesters? Do you live in the park? Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi? Or do you just long for the day when government completely destroys things like free speech and the right to protest? maybe you are just a sad silly man with no other outlet but forums of newspapers to talk about your hobbies and makes comments on subjects you care/know little about? Get your mates together, get out the house and protest the protesters! That will show them! I shouldnt be so facetious. Must be hard to go about your day with all these protesters meddling with your life.[/p][/quote]Lol!! bilderbergsucks
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10:54am Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>No one is protesting because they are jealous of how much money these people have, they are angry at how they have been planning in secret each year for over 50 years. They are angry that these unelected power brokers are attending one of dozens of meetings to 'talk shop' when its all about encouraging global governance. They are protesting these traitors that then come back to their respected countries with plans to dissolve their national sovereignty and individual freedoms of its citizens.<

Well, if they've been doing it for 50 years they don't seem to have had a great deal of success so far, since the last time I checked this was mostly still a free country as are other western democracies, unlike China and North Korea and certain other states in the Middle East, Africa and South America.

As for "secret" meetings, I am on the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists, a body which was founded in 1911 over 100 years ago. We hold "secret" meetings in that our Board, elected by the members, don't allow outsiders to attend Board meetings - nor as far as I'm aware does the board of any other company or charity in the land.
>No one is protesting because they are jealous of how much money these people have, they are angry at how they have been planning in secret each year for over 50 years. They are angry that these unelected power brokers are attending one of dozens of meetings to 'talk shop' when its all about encouraging global governance. They are protesting these traitors that then come back to their respected countries with plans to dissolve their national sovereignty and individual freedoms of its citizens.< Well, if they've been doing it for 50 years they don't seem to have had a great deal of success so far, since the last time I checked this was mostly still a free country as are other western democracies, unlike China and North Korea and certain other states in the Middle East, Africa and South America. As for "secret" meetings, I am on the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists, a body which was founded in 1911 over 100 years ago. We hold "secret" meetings in that our Board, elected by the members, don't allow outsiders to attend Board meetings - nor as far as I'm aware does the board of any other company or charity in the land. Roy Stockdill
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10:58am Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi?<

You may know a lot about protesting but you appear to know very little about hi-fi! No true audiophile would dream of having such a nasty thing as an equaliser in a good hi-fi system since it degrades from the purity of the sound. The whole point of decent hi-fi is that it is supposed to reproduce the sound as originally recorded and to sound as close to a live performance as possible, not artificially enhanced.

Still, if you've never heard a real hi-fi system I expect you wouldn't know that.
>Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi?< You may know a lot about protesting but you appear to know very little about hi-fi! No true audiophile would dream of having such a nasty thing as an equaliser in a good hi-fi system since it degrades from the purity of the sound. The whole point of decent hi-fi is that it is supposed to reproduce the sound as originally recorded and to sound as close to a live performance as possible, not artificially enhanced. Still, if you've never heard a real hi-fi system I expect you wouldn't know that. Roy Stockdill
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11:35am Thu 30 May 13

underterraingrunter says...

"The main protest against the Bilderberg group meeting next month is likely to be held in Cassiobury Park, the Watford Observer can reveal."
INCORRECT!
Go to the General Info page on the Bilderberg Fringe Festival website. Run down the comments and you will find this from ADMIN on the 29th.
"More information will be announced soon regarding set times and full line up. It is NOT a protest so NO, masks, placards and megaphones are not necessary."
You heard it from the horses mouth. It is not a protest, it's just a massive free party which would devastate Cassiobury Park if the people of Watford allowed it to go ahead.
"The main protest against the Bilderberg group meeting next month is likely to be held in Cassiobury Park, the Watford Observer can reveal." INCORRECT! Go to the General Info page on the Bilderberg Fringe Festival website. Run down the comments and you will find this from ADMIN on the 29th. "More information will be announced soon regarding set times and full line up. It is NOT a protest so NO, masks, placards and megaphones are not necessary." You heard it from the horses mouth. It is not a protest, it's just a massive free party which would devastate Cassiobury Park if the people of Watford allowed it to go ahead. underterraingrunter
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11:42am Thu 30 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
&gt;Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi?&lt;

You may know a lot about protesting but you appear to know very little about hi-fi! No true audiophile would dream of having such a nasty thing as an equaliser in a good hi-fi system since it degrades from the purity of the sound. The whole point of decent hi-fi is that it is supposed to reproduce the sound as originally recorded and to sound as close to a live performance as possible, not artificially enhanced.

Still, if you've never heard a real hi-fi system I expect you wouldn't know that.
not quite lets face it valves do color music in a wonderful way, but come on Roy live jazz>> improvisation>> being there it's a no brainer.
Plus with your local knowledge surly you will know the best place acoustically in the park
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: >Did a protester rummage through your jazz records and mess about with the equaliser on your incredible hi-fi?< You may know a lot about protesting but you appear to know very little about hi-fi! No true audiophile would dream of having such a nasty thing as an equaliser in a good hi-fi system since it degrades from the purity of the sound. The whole point of decent hi-fi is that it is supposed to reproduce the sound as originally recorded and to sound as close to a live performance as possible, not artificially enhanced. Still, if you've never heard a real hi-fi system I expect you wouldn't know that.[/p][/quote]not quite lets face it valves do color music in a wonderful way, but come on Roy live jazz>> improvisation>> being there it's a no brainer. Plus with your local knowledge surly you will know the best place acoustically in the park dontknowynot
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11:49am Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

I wonder if many of the protesters - or are they partygoers? - assuming they can manage to find Watford, are aware that Cassiobury is the most affluent area of the town and that many of the houses are worth well over one million pounds?

I can't see this going down too well with the residents whose peace is clearly going to be disturbed, nor perhaps with some of the protesters either who may well find ways of expressing their envy.
I wonder if many of the protesters - or are they partygoers? - assuming they can manage to find Watford, are aware that Cassiobury is the most affluent area of the town and that many of the houses are worth well over one million pounds? I can't see this going down too well with the residents whose peace is clearly going to be disturbed, nor perhaps with some of the protesters either who may well find ways of expressing their envy. Roy Stockdill
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12:02pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>not quite lets face it valves do color music in a wonderful way, but come on Roy live jazz>> improvisation>> being there it's a no brainer.<

Indeed, there are many older audiophiles who still prefer valves, which I agree do tend to produce a somewhat warmer sound rather than the clinical sound of solid-state amplifiers. I have a very modest Fatman hybrid valve-solid state amp in my second system, but my main system has a Roksan pre-amp driving two Roksan power amps bi-amping Living Voice speakers. Maybe if you stop slagging me off I'll invite you round to hear Miles Davis's Kind of Blue through it one of these days!

I agree there's nothing like a live performance but, as I said before, I doubt I am likely to enjoy a bunch of amateurs playing tin whistles or something in the park when I can go and see somebody like the fabulous Diana Krall at the Albert Hall, as I did a while back, or all the top jazzmen at Ronnie Scott's. Basically, I prefer to see and hear the best. To use a football analogy, which would you prefer to see - Manchester Utd or Arsenal or a bunch of overweight pub players in the park? Give me excellence every time!
>not quite lets face it valves do color music in a wonderful way, but come on Roy live jazz>> improvisation>> being there it's a no brainer.< Indeed, there are many older audiophiles who still prefer valves, which I agree do tend to produce a somewhat warmer sound rather than the clinical sound of solid-state amplifiers. I have a very modest Fatman hybrid valve-solid state amp in my second system, but my main system has a Roksan pre-amp driving two Roksan power amps bi-amping Living Voice speakers. Maybe if you stop slagging me off I'll invite you round to hear Miles Davis's Kind of Blue through it one of these days! I agree there's nothing like a live performance but, as I said before, I doubt I am likely to enjoy a bunch of amateurs playing tin whistles or something in the park when I can go and see somebody like the fabulous Diana Krall at the Albert Hall, as I did a while back, or all the top jazzmen at Ronnie Scott's. Basically, I prefer to see and hear the best. To use a football analogy, which would you prefer to see - Manchester Utd or Arsenal or a bunch of overweight pub players in the park? Give me excellence every time! Roy Stockdill
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12:43pm Thu 30 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Roy I am past slagging you of, I just see the world fundamentally differently from you, and disagree with you on many things, well nearly everything really if the truth be told, Fatman amps sound nice as for Audiophile eqpt, it just ain't for me, imagine listening to music on a 10K syterm and hating it orb even worse loving it Christ I can think of nothing worse, as I would then desire one and be unhappy that I couldn't listen to my music on it.
No something half way ok accessible and enjoyable.,
Roy I am past slagging you of, I just see the world fundamentally differently from you, and disagree with you on many things, well nearly everything really if the truth be told, Fatman amps sound nice as for Audiophile eqpt, it just ain't for me, imagine listening to music on a 10K syterm and hating it orb even worse loving it Christ I can think of nothing worse, as I would then desire one and be unhappy that I couldn't listen to my music on it. No something half way ok accessible and enjoyable., dontknowynot
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1:36pm Thu 30 May 13

garston tony says...

@ Cuetip.

What has that got to do with anything?
@ Cuetip. What has that got to do with anything? garston tony
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1:52pm Thu 30 May 13

Roy Stockdill says...

>Chartism flourished in hard times, and faded during prosperity. Political elites saw the movement as dangerous and refused to negotiate with it or deal with its demands. The government permanently crushed the movement in 1848. The movement produced no immediate reforms, but it did attract the attention of the working class, who were not allowed to vote. Historians see Chartism as both a continuation of the 18th century fight against corruption and as a new stage in demands for democracy in an industrial society.<

Actually, the franchise was extended to many more people by the great Reform Act of 1832. It depends too on your definition of working class. My great-great-grandfat
her was a humble tailor in Yorkshire and his mother had a pauper's funeral paid for by the parish in 1796. I have no doubt he would have considered himself working class but because he had a little business and probably a shop worth a rental of £10 a year he had a vote as early as 1807. I know because I have found him in a poll book and I even know who he voted for (elections weren't secret until 1872).

I also know a bit about the Chartists because my home town, Bradford, was the hotbed of Chartism in the 1840s and some of my ancestors were woolcombers, an occupation which was among the foulest and most unhealthy of all. But we Stockdills, myself and some of my cousins, rose above our early origins because we are ambitious go-getters. The trouble with you people who harp on about the "working class" is that the definition is constantly changing as people adjust their social aspirations upwards, something I see nothing with whatsoever. The old working classes, e.g. miners, steel workers, shipyard workers, millworkers and so on, have largely gone and many of their children and grandchildren went to university and would now consider themselves upwardly mobile middle class. What is wrong with that?
>Chartism flourished in hard times, and faded during prosperity. Political elites saw the movement as dangerous and refused to negotiate with it or deal with its demands. The government permanently crushed the movement in 1848. The movement produced no immediate reforms, but it did attract the attention of the working class, who were not allowed to vote. Historians see Chartism as both a continuation of the 18th century fight against corruption and as a new stage in demands for democracy in an industrial society.< Actually, the franchise was extended to many more people by the great Reform Act of 1832. It depends too on your definition of working class. My great-great-grandfat her was a humble tailor in Yorkshire and his mother had a pauper's funeral paid for by the parish in 1796. I have no doubt he would have considered himself working class but because he had a little business and probably a shop worth a rental of £10 a year he had a vote as early as 1807. I know because I have found him in a poll book and I even know who he voted for (elections weren't secret until 1872). I also know a bit about the Chartists because my home town, Bradford, was the hotbed of Chartism in the 1840s and some of my ancestors were woolcombers, an occupation which was among the foulest and most unhealthy of all. But we Stockdills, myself and some of my cousins, rose above our early origins because we are ambitious go-getters. The trouble with you people who harp on about the "working class" is that the definition is constantly changing as people adjust their social aspirations upwards, something I see nothing with whatsoever. The old working classes, e.g. miners, steel workers, shipyard workers, millworkers and so on, have largely gone and many of their children and grandchildren went to university and would now consider themselves upwardly mobile middle class. What is wrong with that? Roy Stockdill
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3:40pm Thu 30 May 13

Sara says...

If anyone wants to attend a great free family event, please feel free to come to the Abbots Langley Carnival on 8th June :-J
If anyone wants to attend a great free family event, please feel free to come to the Abbots Langley Carnival on 8th June :-J Sara
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3:46pm Thu 30 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Sara wrote:
If anyone wants to attend a great free family event, please feel free to come to the Abbots Langley Carnival on 8th June :-J
might well pop along
http://www.abbotslan
gley-pc.gov.uk/abbot
s-langley-carnival.h
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[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If anyone wants to attend a great free family event, please feel free to come to the Abbots Langley Carnival on 8th June :-J[/p][/quote]might well pop along http://www.abbotslan gley-pc.gov.uk/abbot s-langley-carnival.h tml dontknowynot
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5:45pm Thu 30 May 13

fugu says...

I predict a mass rush of protesters leaving the festival and heading along the tow path and through the woods to the Grove. That's why I would pick the park for a festival, it's a great location for trouble makers to gather with many routes to the Grove that bypass roadblocks. I wowon't be there, I hung up my direct action hat a decade or so ago and was never interested in the Bilderberg group. They have massive financial influence, but failing political clout. They were never that interesting but offer a convenient smoke screen. Better off looking at who's meeting elsewhere.
I predict a mass rush of protesters leaving the festival and heading along the tow path and through the woods to the Grove. That's why I would pick the park for a festival, it's a great location for trouble makers to gather with many routes to the Grove that bypass roadblocks. I wowon't be there, I hung up my direct action hat a decade or so ago and was never interested in the Bilderberg group. They have massive financial influence, but failing political clout. They were never that interesting but offer a convenient smoke screen. Better off looking at who's meeting elsewhere. fugu
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5:52pm Thu 30 May 13

MarsLander says...

It's been refused - end of this story
It's been refused - end of this story MarsLander
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6:04pm Thu 30 May 13

fugu says...

MarsLander wrote:
It's been refused - end of this story
There are still lots of protesters planning on coming to Watford, some even join online groups and use their own photos http://planet.infowa
rs.com/groups/bilder
berg-2013-protest-at
tendees/members/
[quote][p][bold]MarsLander[/bold] wrote: It's been refused - end of this story[/p][/quote]There are still lots of protesters planning on coming to Watford, some even join online groups and use their own photos http://planet.infowa rs.com/groups/bilder berg-2013-protest-at tendees/members/ fugu
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6:05pm Thu 30 May 13

dontknowynot says...

Well dotty would wouldn't she, no surprise there then, that said it alters nothing apart from the likelihood of trouble and disruption being increased.
The police plan to limit the protesters to the field at the front of the grove is doomed to failure
Well dotty would wouldn't she, no surprise there then, that said it alters nothing apart from the likelihood of trouble and disruption being increased. The police plan to limit the protesters to the field at the front of the grove is doomed to failure dontknowynot
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