Police to use anti-terror laws and no-fly zone to secure Bilderberg Group conference at The Grove hotel, Watford

Anti-terrorism legislation and a no-fly zone will be used to secure the Bilderberg Group's meeting at The Grove hotel.

Senior Hertfordshire police officers told Watford residents the measures were being used as a precaution as there was no intelligence about a specific threat.

However at a public meeting this evening officers also said the public had been kept in the dark about the event until recently due to fears it could become a terror target.

Watford Chief Inspector, Nick Caveney, said: "There is no information regarding a terrorism threat.

"However it must be recognised that there will be a number of high-profile people involved in going to this event and with previous terrorist events we have had not intel that something would happen.

"That was the reason it was not appropriate for us to be speaking and recognising publicly that the event was going on."

Officers also told residents at the meeting at Watford Town Hall they were confident Hertfordshire taxpayers would not have to shoulder the cost of the Bilderberg security operation.

Inspector Dave Rhodes confirmed the Bilderberg Group had made a donation to the policing cost of its forthcoming three-day conference at The Grove Hotel.

Yet officers declined to divulge the exact amount, saying it would be available through the Freedom of Information Act after the event.

Chief Inspector Rhodes said: "I am confident the operation will be cost neutral for the taxpayers of Hertfordshire. A donation has been made by the organisers of the conference.

"That is a private amount not to be disclosed at this stage. We don't know how much the operation will cost at this stage."

His comments came as Hertfordshire Constabulary moved to allay fears of residents in about the impact of the Bilderberg Group's meeting, which starts on Thursday, and the protests it is likely to attract.

The Bilderberg Group has been meeting secretly every year since 1954 and draws leading politicians, businessmen as well as journalists and academics to discuss pressing geo-political issues of the day.

In recent years its meetings have attracted a growing number of demonstrators who see its activities as a threat to open democracy.

At this year's meeting UK figures such as chancellor George Osborne, shadow chancellor Ed Balls and cabinet minister Ken Clarke are set to spend three days with representatives from mulit-national corporations such as Goldman Sachs, Amazon and Google.

At today's meeting police played down reports that the number of protesters converging on Watford could be in the hundreds or thousands.

Chief Inspector Rhodes said reports from the constabulary's US counterparts at Fairfax County Police, who had overseen last year's Bilderberg protest in Chantilly, Virginia, indicated fewer than 100 protesters had come from outside the area.

He said most demonstrators appeared to have come locally and been motivated by an anti-cut and anti-austerity agenda.

At the meeting, local politicians and residents of old Hempstead Road voiced displeasure that they had only recently learned that their road was set to be used for parking for Bilderberg demonstrators.

They were assured by police that the main protest would take place in the designated area in the grounds of The Grove.

The attendees also heard from Bilderberg protest organisers. Hannah Borno, a journalist involved with organising the Bilderberg Fringe Festival, told the meeting she had attended previous protests and they had been safe, peaceful affairs.

She added: "It is about transparency. They have released the list today and Ken Clarke, George Osborne and Ed Balls will be with Peter Sutherland of Goldman Sachs and the vice chairman of Barclays and HSBC in a luxury hotel for three days.

"We want our politics to be disentangled from business".

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2:27am Tue 4 Jun 13

dontknowynot says...

So Goldman Sachs who were heavily involved in the Greek crises get to be at the top table, get to wield their power and influence over the global economy as if they had done nothing wrong. Oh well its not like they did anything wrong like help cause a sovereign debt crises is it?
So Goldman Sachs who were heavily involved in the Greek crises get to be at the top table, get to wield their power and influence over the global economy as if they had done nothing wrong. Oh well its not like they did anything wrong like help cause a sovereign debt crises is it? dontknowynot
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3:34am Tue 4 Jun 13

Paul Barbara says...

Michael Meacher MP's take on Bilderberg, from his blog:

The elite of finance capitalism meet in the UK next week in closely guarded secrecy
May 31st, 2013



Bilderberg is coming to Britain next week to plot the next steps for a desperately failing global capitalism. The Bilderberg conference is the regular get-together of the Western financial elite and top business corporates at which amid intensive mutual lobbying they try to coordinate their plans to maximise their interests over the coming period. It is attended by top bankers, leading corporate bosses, the heads of the key UN institutions (IMF, World Bank, WTO), EU Commissioners,and a smuttering of politicians from the US, Canada, UK and Europe seeking to understand better what are the next steps that the masters of the market are demanding. It is shrouded in deepest secrecy (no doubt that’s why Watford was chosen for the venue rather than London), secured by local policing paid for by funding washed through their very own charity, the Bilderberg Association. And it will be attended by George Osborne and Kenneth Clarke.

If politics is about power, and it is, these are the people with the most power in the world, or at least in the Western capitalist world, exercising dominant executive power over the global market-place. Whereas world political leaders often gather for little more than photocalls (e.g. G8 meetings) or for signing ceremonies pre-orchestrated by their sherpas, Bilderberg is a real meeting of decision-makers. Their Steering Committee is chaired by Henri de Castries, CEO of the French insurance giant AXA, the billionaire venture capitalist Peter Thiel who founded PayPal, Thomas Enders boss of EADS the European defence flagship, Peter Sutherland chair of Goldman Sachs, and (believe it or not) Kenneth Clarke.

Davos is where they already meet each winter, but for them that has one overriding disadvantage. It is open to the press. Whatever they may be planning, it cannot be directly discussed if it might cause an explosion outside. Bilderberg allows them to say what they really think and to do the deals they really need in the safe knowledge that it will leak no further. It is an anti-democratic cabal, or as Adam Smith would describe it – a conspiracy against the public interest, plotted in utter secrecy and devoid of any public accountability.

It will be interesting to see how many British Ministers attend. As you would expect in such unsavoury surroundings, Osborne, the Mandelson of the Right, has attended at least five times previously. If as before he is attending in his official capacity, he will need to explain how that is consistent with his public commitment in 2010 to “the most radical transparency agenda the country has ever seen”.
Michael Meacher MP's take on Bilderberg, from his blog: The elite of finance capitalism meet in the UK next week in closely guarded secrecy May 31st, 2013 Bilderberg is coming to Britain next week to plot the next steps for a desperately failing global capitalism. The Bilderberg conference is the regular get-together of the Western financial elite and top business corporates at which amid intensive mutual lobbying they try to coordinate their plans to maximise their interests over the coming period. It is attended by top bankers, leading corporate bosses, the heads of the key UN institutions (IMF, World Bank, WTO), EU Commissioners,and a smuttering of politicians from the US, Canada, UK and Europe seeking to understand better what are the next steps that the masters of the market are demanding. It is shrouded in deepest secrecy (no doubt that’s why Watford was chosen for the venue rather than London), secured by local policing paid for by funding washed through their very own charity, the Bilderberg Association. And it will be attended by George Osborne and Kenneth Clarke. If politics is about power, and it is, these are the people with the most power in the world, or at least in the Western capitalist world, exercising dominant executive power over the global market-place. Whereas world political leaders often gather for little more than photocalls (e.g. G8 meetings) or for signing ceremonies pre-orchestrated by their sherpas, Bilderberg is a real meeting of decision-makers. Their Steering Committee is chaired by Henri de Castries, CEO of the French insurance giant AXA, the billionaire venture capitalist Peter Thiel who founded PayPal, Thomas Enders boss of EADS the European defence flagship, Peter Sutherland chair of Goldman Sachs, and (believe it or not) Kenneth Clarke. Davos is where they already meet each winter, but for them that has one overriding disadvantage. It is open to the press. Whatever they may be planning, it cannot be directly discussed if it might cause an explosion outside. Bilderberg allows them to say what they really think and to do the deals they really need in the safe knowledge that it will leak no further. It is an anti-democratic cabal, or as Adam Smith would describe it – a conspiracy against the public interest, plotted in utter secrecy and devoid of any public accountability. It will be interesting to see how many British Ministers attend. As you would expect in such unsavoury surroundings, Osborne, the Mandelson of the Right, has attended at least five times previously. If as before he is attending in his official capacity, he will need to explain how that is consistent with his public commitment in 2010 to “the most radical transparency agenda the country has ever seen”. Paul Barbara
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6:11am Tue 4 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

Anti-terror laws and a no-fly zone?
You cannot be serious !! (as John McEnroe once said)
When did we start living in Syria?
This whole setup is just ludicrous and reinforces my point that this shady shindig should never have been held in Watford.
It is all very well for police officers to claim to be 'confident' the policing costs will not have to be met by local residents - but that is not the same thing as a categoric statement, is it? It leaves wriggle room for us to end up paying the bill after the Bilderberg circus leaves town, does it not?
This situation has now reached the most bizarre position imaginable.
This club in the country for all these financial speculators does not sit well with a liberal democratic society.
These geezers should all clear off and not even pass by Watford on any of the local motorway roads.
Who wants them? Who needs them?
Not Watford, that is for sure !!!!
Anti-terror laws and a no-fly zone? You cannot be serious !! (as John McEnroe once said) When did we start living in Syria? This whole setup is just ludicrous and reinforces my point that this shady shindig should never have been held in Watford. It is all very well for police officers to claim to be 'confident' the policing costs will not have to be met by local residents - but that is not the same thing as a categoric statement, is it? It leaves wriggle room for us to end up paying the bill after the Bilderberg circus leaves town, does it not? This situation has now reached the most bizarre position imaginable. This club in the country for all these financial speculators does not sit well with a liberal democratic society. These geezers [are any women attending the event?] should all clear off and not even pass by Watford on any of the local motorway roads. Who wants them? Who needs them? Not Watford, that is for sure !!!! John Dowdle
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7:52am Tue 4 Jun 13

MarsLander says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Anti-terror laws and a no-fly zone?
You cannot be serious !! (as John McEnroe once said)
When did we start living in Syria?
This whole setup is just ludicrous and reinforces my point that this shady shindig should never have been held in Watford.
It is all very well for police officers to claim to be 'confident' the policing costs will not have to be met by local residents - but that is not the same thing as a categoric statement, is it? It leaves wriggle room for us to end up paying the bill after the Bilderberg circus leaves town, does it not?
This situation has now reached the most bizarre position imaginable.
This club in the country for all these financial speculators does not sit well with a liberal democratic society.
These geezers should all clear off and not even pass by Watford on any of the local motorway roads.
Who wants them? Who needs them?
Not Watford, that is for sure !!!!
We're not living in Syria John, there is no comparison. For a start that idiot warmonger Hague is not offering to arm the protesters, for which we should all be grateful.

Such is the fear of idiot protesters or maybe even terrorists that strong policing is being put in place. That sounds sensible to me.

We have nothing to fear from the Grove and their guests, it is the nutty greens and other protesters who will come that we need to be wary of.

I hope Sue Murray (local Green candidate for everything going) stays away and does not encourage the sort of behaviour we all fear. She didn't get many votes before and I don't think her role in all this will have done her any favours in that direction.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: Anti-terror laws and a no-fly zone? You cannot be serious !! (as John McEnroe once said) When did we start living in Syria? This whole setup is just ludicrous and reinforces my point that this shady shindig should never have been held in Watford. It is all very well for police officers to claim to be 'confident' the policing costs will not have to be met by local residents - but that is not the same thing as a categoric statement, is it? It leaves wriggle room for us to end up paying the bill after the Bilderberg circus leaves town, does it not? This situation has now reached the most bizarre position imaginable. This club in the country for all these financial speculators does not sit well with a liberal democratic society. These geezers [are any women attending the event?] should all clear off and not even pass by Watford on any of the local motorway roads. Who wants them? Who needs them? Not Watford, that is for sure !!!![/p][/quote]We're not living in Syria John, there is no comparison. For a start that idiot warmonger Hague is not offering to arm the protesters, for which we should all be grateful. Such is the fear of idiot protesters or maybe even terrorists that strong policing is being put in place. That sounds sensible to me. We have nothing to fear from the Grove and their guests, it is the nutty greens and other protesters who will come that we need to be wary of. I hope Sue Murray (local Green candidate for everything going) stays away and does not encourage the sort of behaviour we all fear. She didn't get many votes before and I don't think her role in all this will have done her any favours in that direction. MarsLander
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8:26am Tue 4 Jun 13

John Dowdle says...

Included in the contingent attending the shady shindig are weapons systems dealers so don't be so sure we are not yet living in Syria - just give them time.
As a former Chair of Watford Green Party, I categorically refute the suggestion that any members of the Green Party in Watford have ever advocated violence and been involved in acts of violence.
Just because naïve and impressionable local politicians regurgitate this kind of unfounded propaganda, that does not mean others should emulate them.
Nothing to fear from the Grove and their guests, eh? This sounds like someone sleepwalking their way into a police state.
We are already seeing early signs of this with the local application of terror laws and a no-fly zone.
How much more of this trend do you or others need to see before you start to realise what is happening?
Included in the contingent attending the shady shindig are weapons systems dealers so don't be so sure we are not yet living in Syria - just give them time. As a former Chair of Watford Green Party, I categorically refute the suggestion that any members of the Green Party in Watford have ever advocated violence and been involved in acts of violence. Just because naïve and impressionable local politicians regurgitate this kind of unfounded propaganda, that does not mean others should emulate them. Nothing to fear from the Grove and their guests, eh? This sounds like someone sleepwalking their way into a police state. We are already seeing early signs of this with the local application of terror laws and a no-fly zone. How much more of this trend do you or others need to see before you start to realise what is happening? John Dowdle
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8:28am Tue 4 Jun 13

Cuetip says...

These world leaders who have brought misery with their 'credit swaps' are receiving a guard of honour.

Will ordinary residents see a more visible assertive police presence when dealing with the crime and disorder with the night time economy in our town centre or in our democracy some are more equal than others when it comes to ensuring a safe environment, access to the health services, etc?
These world leaders who have brought misery with their 'credit swaps' are receiving a guard of honour. Will ordinary residents see a more visible assertive police presence when dealing with the crime and disorder with the night time economy in our town centre or in our democracy some are more equal than others when it comes to ensuring a safe environment, access to the health services, etc? Cuetip
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9:35am Tue 4 Jun 13

Hornets number 12 fan says...

The more I read about these Scumbags the more I realise they have the power to ruin economies to create the current situation for their own ends!! Keep the poor people down and profit from Human Misery!
The more I read about these Scumbags the more I realise they have the power to ruin economies to create the current situation for their own ends!! Keep the poor people down and profit from Human Misery! Hornets number 12 fan
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12:07pm Tue 4 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Whose been thinking that hundreds of thousands of people would turn up!

Dontknowynot, who says there is a top table, who says that power is being wielded? Evidence please because absolutely none is being provided so far.

Is this the same Michael Meacher who possibly didnt accurately record the number of properties he owns and rents out with the Register of Members interest? Is this the same chap who apparently thinks the US Government had a hand in 9/11, maybe not planning it but possibly in not preventing it? This chap has an axe to grind (and rather confusingly wants a change to capitalism but if he owns a number of property isnt against making money himself) and isnt exactly the impartial imparter of information needed is he.

I agree with Mars comments that the police prescence is down to the potential threat from nuts and loons.

And sorry, but if the world economy is poor then business who are heavily represented are not going to gain anything but actually lose out. Claiming that this group have engineered the current situation for their own ends has no basis in any fact and runs contrary to common sense!
Whose been thinking that hundreds of thousands of people would turn up! Dontknowynot, who says there is a top table, who says that power is being wielded? Evidence please because absolutely none is being provided so far. Is this the same Michael Meacher who possibly didnt accurately record the number of properties he owns and rents out with the Register of Members interest? Is this the same chap who apparently thinks the US Government had a hand in 9/11, maybe not planning it but possibly in not preventing it? This chap has an axe to grind (and rather confusingly wants a change to capitalism but if he owns a number of property isnt against making money himself) and isnt exactly the impartial imparter of information needed is he. I agree with Mars comments that the police prescence is down to the potential threat from nuts and loons. And sorry, but if the world economy is poor then business who are heavily represented are not going to gain anything but actually lose out. Claiming that this group have engineered the current situation for their own ends has no basis in any fact and runs contrary to common sense! garston tony
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12:17pm Tue 4 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Whose been thinking that hundreds of thousands of people would turn up!

Dontknowynot, who says there is a top table, who says that power is being wielded? Evidence please because absolutely none is being provided so far.

Is this the same Michael Meacher who possibly didnt accurately record the number of properties he owns and rents out with the Register of Members interest? Is this the same chap who apparently thinks the US Government had a hand in 9/11, maybe not planning it but possibly in not preventing it? This chap has an axe to grind (and rather confusingly wants a change to capitalism but if he owns a number of property isnt against making money himself) and isnt exactly the impartial imparter of information needed is he.

I agree with Mars comments that the police prescence is down to the potential threat from nuts and loons.

And sorry, but if the world economy is poor then business who are heavily represented are not going to gain anything but actually lose out. Claiming that this group have engineered the current situation for their own ends has no basis in any fact and runs contrary to common sense!
Whose been thinking that hundreds of thousands of people would turn up! Dontknowynot, who says there is a top table, who says that power is being wielded? Evidence please because absolutely none is being provided so far. Is this the same Michael Meacher who possibly didnt accurately record the number of properties he owns and rents out with the Register of Members interest? Is this the same chap who apparently thinks the US Government had a hand in 9/11, maybe not planning it but possibly in not preventing it? This chap has an axe to grind (and rather confusingly wants a change to capitalism but if he owns a number of property isnt against making money himself) and isnt exactly the impartial imparter of information needed is he. I agree with Mars comments that the police prescence is down to the potential threat from nuts and loons. And sorry, but if the world economy is poor then business who are heavily represented are not going to gain anything but actually lose out. Claiming that this group have engineered the current situation for their own ends has no basis in any fact and runs contrary to common sense! garston tony
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12:23pm Tue 4 Jun 13

garston tony says...

The very same people who are moaning about the police response to this meeting would be the VERY SAME PEOPLE who would be complaining that not enough was done by them IF some incident did take place.

Get of the polices back, they didnt ask for this meeting to be held here (and on that note the Bilderberg group did not ask for protesters or to be potential targets of nutters etc and have every right to hold a private meeting) but they have been asked to provide security FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE.

Those who are butting their heads against that fact are foolish, those who are calling for active or passive resistance to the police are stoking fires and those that are actually going to resist the security measures are not just idiots but potentially diverting police attention from someone who does indeed intend to cause harm or disruption
The very same people who are moaning about the police response to this meeting would be the VERY SAME PEOPLE who would be complaining that not enough was done by them IF some incident did take place. Get of the polices back, they didnt ask for this meeting to be held here (and on that note the Bilderberg group did not ask for protesters or to be potential targets of nutters etc and have every right to hold a private meeting) but they have been asked to provide security FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE. Those who are butting their heads against that fact are foolish, those who are calling for active or passive resistance to the police are stoking fires and those that are actually going to resist the security measures are not just idiots but potentially diverting police attention from someone who does indeed intend to cause harm or disruption garston tony
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12:53pm Tue 4 Jun 13

dontknowynot says...

Right then that's it; Garston Tony has spoken, accept the status que, don't challenge it the nobility of the elite is sac-recent, they know best, we must all doth our hats to the aristocracy and their foot solders the police.
I am sorry but I disagree, the protesters are right to show discontent, with the status que, it is only by doing so that things may change, and change they must.!!
Austerity has failed, we cannot continue with 60%+ youth unemployment in Greece and Spain, we cannot continue with a downward spiral of cuts, restricting growth, causing more debt, causing more cuts causing more restriction on growth, it is madness, and should be protested. So yes I welcome these protests, "oh but its not just here" I here people say indeed its not which is why organisations such as Bilderberg are exactly the type that ought to be protested.
Right then that's it; Garston Tony has spoken, accept the status que, don't challenge it the nobility of the elite is sac-recent, they know best, we must all doth our hats to the aristocracy and their foot solders the police. I am sorry but I disagree, the protesters are right to show discontent, with the status que, it is only by doing so that things may change, and change they must.!! Austerity has failed, we cannot continue with 60%+ youth unemployment in Greece and Spain, we cannot continue with a downward spiral of cuts, restricting growth, causing more debt, causing more cuts causing more restriction on growth, it is madness, and should be protested. So yes I welcome these protests, "oh but its not just here" I here people say indeed its not which is why organisations such as Bilderberg are exactly the type that ought to be protested. dontknowynot
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1:17pm Tue 4 Jun 13

inquisitive mind says...

The fact that the exposure of the Bilderberg union is gaining traction gives solace to guardians of the human race. The sect of banksters devotion to the mischievous sprite and the dark side cannot force their tyranny on an awakened public dedicated to the defeat of the Illuminati empire.
The first step is to accept the truth that globalism is the engine of national destruction and a world governance substitute, under the control of an aristocratic bloodline, is the existential nihilist end of civilization. The Amschel Moses Rothschild – Cecil Rhodes vision of competing world dominance has merged into a technocratic intercellular substance of subjugation and extermination.
The days of allowing a massive media cover-up of the actual intentions of the Bilderberg clan are over. The alternative press has the credibility to speak truth to power. The public has the responsibility to mature emotionally and reject the delusional myths that protect the fabricated privileges of evil elites.
The secrecy of secret societies in a global telecommunication environment is doomed. Only with greater levels of planetary oppression, can the controllers of the Bilderberg fraternity maintain their cruel imperium. It is up to the citizens of the world to neuter this lineage of deranged plutocrats.
The fact that the exposure of the Bilderberg union is gaining traction gives solace to guardians of the human race. The sect of banksters devotion to the mischievous sprite and the dark side cannot force their tyranny on an awakened public dedicated to the defeat of the Illuminati empire. The first step is to accept the truth that globalism is the engine of national destruction and a world governance substitute, under the control of an aristocratic bloodline, is the existential nihilist end of civilization. The Amschel Moses Rothschild – Cecil Rhodes vision of competing world dominance has merged into a technocratic intercellular substance of subjugation and extermination. The days of allowing a massive media cover-up of the actual intentions of the Bilderberg clan are over. The alternative press has the credibility to speak truth to power. The public has the responsibility to mature emotionally and reject the delusional myths that protect the fabricated privileges of evil elites. The secrecy of secret societies in a global telecommunication environment is doomed. Only with greater levels of planetary oppression, can the controllers of the Bilderberg fraternity maintain their cruel imperium. It is up to the citizens of the world to neuter this lineage of deranged plutocrats. inquisitive mind
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2:27pm Tue 4 Jun 13

inquisitive mind says...

garston tony says...
12:17pm Tue 4 Jun 13"Claiming that this group have engineered the current situation for their own ends has no basis in any fact and runs contrary to common sense"! YOUR WORDS..
I take the fact you are not very well read.
so i will be delighted to give you some home work' as to how this world really works..
ps, worship what ever god/gods you feel.but this transcends all faith's...

The relationship between Finance, Centralization, and World Hegemony

http://www.biblebeli
evers.org.au/bb97021
9.htm

The Hegelian dialectic is being employed to secure and sustain absolute world power and authority to an elite. We have fallen into a Hegelian trap and don't know it.
(just those that are asleep don't know it)

and just i case this is a wee,bit above you intellect? try this excellent and straight-to-the-poin
t speech...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?feature=pla
yer_embedded&v=71pDl
ls4JZo&list=UUPLAYER
_globalresearchtv#!
garston tony says... 12:17pm Tue 4 Jun 13"Claiming that this group have engineered the current situation for their own ends has no basis in any fact and runs contrary to common sense"! YOUR WORDS.. I take the fact you are not very well read. so i will be delighted to give you some home work' as to how this world really works.. ps, worship what ever god/gods you feel.but this transcends all faith's... The relationship between Finance, Centralization, and World Hegemony http://www.biblebeli evers.org.au/bb97021 9.htm The Hegelian dialectic is being employed to secure and sustain absolute world power and authority to an elite. We have fallen into a Hegelian trap and don't know it. (just those that are asleep don't know it) and just i case this is a wee,bit above you intellect? try this excellent and straight-to-the-poin t speech... http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_embedded&v=71pDl ls4JZo&list=UUPLAYER _globalresearchtv#! inquisitive mind
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4:09pm Tue 4 Jun 13

dontknowynot says...

on cue http://www.digitaljo
urnal.com/article/35
1506#ixzz2VFrAdiXX

the ILO is warning of the dangers of major social unrest, Austerity has failed
on cue http://www.digitaljo urnal.com/article/35 1506#ixzz2VFrAdiXX the ILO is warning of the dangers of major social unrest, Austerity has failed dontknowynot
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4:28pm Tue 4 Jun 13

LSC says...

"and just i case this is a wee,bit above you intellect? try this excellent and straight-to-the-poin

t speech..."

Your intellect shines through in the way you constructed that sentence. I'm not a spelling and grammar nazi, but if you are going to insult somebody else's intelligence level, it is purely good manners to punctuate it correctly.
"and just i case this is a wee,bit above you intellect? try this excellent and straight-to-the-poin t speech..." Your intellect shines through in the way you constructed that sentence. I'm not a spelling and grammar nazi, but if you are going to insult somebody else's intelligence level, it is purely good manners to punctuate it correctly. LSC
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4:29pm Tue 4 Jun 13

chuckstake94 says...

You think we are not living in a police state?

Watch this guy try to visit the Grove this week. And the way the police plain clothed, helicopter and uniformed jump on him.
You think we are not living in a police state? Watch this guy try to visit the Grove this week. And the way the police plain clothed, helicopter and uniformed jump on him. chuckstake94
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4:30pm Tue 4 Jun 13

chuckstake94 says...

You think we are not living in a police state?

Watch this guy try to visit the Grove this week. And the way the police plain clothed, helicopter and uniformed jump on him.

Check out his vid
http://checkoutthela
test.com/swilliamism
&watch=UNjJe7D090E
You think we are not living in a police state? Watch this guy try to visit the Grove this week. And the way the police plain clothed, helicopter and uniformed jump on him. Check out his vid http://checkoutthela test.com/swilliamism &watch=UNjJe7D090E chuckstake94
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4:37pm Tue 4 Jun 13

chuckstake94 says...

Sorry, that link did not work, this one does

www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=UNjJe7D090E

This is an important vid, watch from when he arrives at the Grove
Sorry, that link did not work, this one does www.youtube.com/watc h?v=UNjJe7D090E This is an important vid, watch from when he arrives at the Grove chuckstake94
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4:44pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Wacko Jacko says...

John Dowdle is right on one thing - this is indeed a shady shindig. It's one thing for bankers and big business leaders to have private confidential get-togethers as they only have to answer to their shareholders. It's quite another for democratically elected politicians to join them. Politicians are elected by the public and are answerable to the public, it is simply unacceptable for them to indulge in this lobbying orgy without reporting to the public about what they've been up to. The timing of this event couldn't have been worse what with the recent cash for lobbyist's questions sleaze emerging in The Lords and blackening the reputation of British democracy. We should boot out all the lobbyists altogether and the same goes for the Bilderberg gang, who are merely a lobbying group writ large.
Where John is wrong is about the Police invoking terrorist legislation. Whether I like them or not, and I don't, if a large meeting of political leaders, royalty and tycoons isn't a potential terrorist target I don't know what is. I have to say I trust the Police's judgement on this one, they've done their homework and we'll all sleep easier knowing they are keeping a round the clock watch to keep the public (and the dodgy Bilderberg participants) safe.
John Dowdle is right on one thing - this is indeed a shady shindig. It's one thing for bankers and big business leaders to have private confidential get-togethers as they only have to answer to their shareholders. It's quite another for democratically elected politicians to join them. Politicians are elected by the public and are answerable to the public, it is simply unacceptable for them to indulge in this lobbying orgy without reporting to the public about what they've been up to. The timing of this event couldn't have been worse what with the recent cash for lobbyist's questions sleaze emerging in The Lords and blackening the reputation of British democracy. We should boot out all the lobbyists altogether and the same goes for the Bilderberg gang, who are merely a lobbying group writ large. Where John is wrong is about the Police invoking terrorist legislation. Whether I like them or not, and I don't, if a large meeting of political leaders, royalty and tycoons isn't a potential terrorist target I don't know what is. I have to say I trust the Police's judgement on this one, they've done their homework and we'll all sleep easier knowing they are keeping a round the clock watch to keep the public (and the dodgy Bilderberg participants) safe. Wacko Jacko
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4:55pm Tue 4 Jun 13

dontknowynot says...

@Garston Tony you asked about wielding power below is a link to what I understand to be the Agenda:-
http://www.bilderber
gmeetings.org/meetin
g_2013.html

clearly they are talking about these things in order to influence them, that is Power being wielded, you ask me to prove something that is logically necessitated by the meeting taking place and by the existence of the group, they are in existence to do something, the doing of that something entails power.

As to the "top Table" what else would you call it when the elite give each other such access and deny the people it?
@Garston Tony you asked about wielding power below is a link to what I understand to be the Agenda:- http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/meetin g_2013.html clearly they are talking about these things in order to influence them, that is Power being wielded, you ask me to prove something that is logically necessitated by the meeting taking place and by the existence of the group, they are in existence to do something, the doing of that something entails power. As to the "top Table" what else would you call it when the elite give each other such access and deny the people it? dontknowynot
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5:03pm Tue 4 Jun 13

angelahorne says...

Icke is running a cult, see...

http://no-david-icke
.blogspot.co.uk
Icke is running a cult, see... http://no-david-icke .blogspot.co.uk angelahorne
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5:13pm Tue 4 Jun 13

polonius says...

l.s.c I am not a spelling and grammar nazi. well it seems you are
l.s.c I am not a spelling and grammar nazi. well it seems you are polonius
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6:25pm Tue 4 Jun 13

polonius says...

tony garston you fail to see the facts as they present themselves, and shout evidence please. then deride those that that would have the gumption to get off their derrieres as nuts and loons. The attendees of the bilderberg. are the movers and shakers of are society and have brought us to were we are today by design or through incompetence. These, the ruling class are taking actions that do not benefit any body but themselves, at all of are expense. All of our major institutions have been found to be corrupt. might I add theirs been conspiracies and conspirators throughout history. I very much doubt they do not exist today I always wondered, how a whole nation followed one crazy persons evil ideology its now evident. and no i don,t believe in aliens or lizard people. I do believe bad men do bad things, when good men do nothing.
tony garston you fail to see the facts as they present themselves, and shout evidence please. then deride those that that would have the gumption to get off their derrieres as nuts and loons. The attendees of the bilderberg. are the movers and shakers of are society and have brought us to were we are today by design or through incompetence. These, the ruling class are taking actions that do not benefit any body but themselves, at all of are expense. All of our major institutions have been found to be corrupt. might I add theirs been conspiracies and conspirators throughout history. I very much doubt they do not exist today I always wondered, how a whole nation followed one crazy persons evil ideology its now evident. and no i don,t believe in aliens or lizard people. I do believe bad men do bad things, when good men do nothing. polonius
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7:29pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Henry VIII says...

So, if there really is nothing to hide, no hidden agenda, Western 'leaders' (small l) and this is a pure version of Democracy (big D), why then the secrecy? Why every year the silence?
If their conversations and plans are for the benefit of the average Euopean citizen, then we should be able to hear what they think is best for us - surely? The silence adds fuel to the fire, the mis-management of the Euro, Spain at 27.2% unemployment,yet suddenly the banking world starts to report record profits. Something is very wrong. 0.01 % of the UK are millionaires while 71% of Westminster are also millionaires. A slight discrepancy - or perhaps just an innocent mistake, just like all of those MP's and their expense claims. Feathering nests perhaps :)
So, if there really is nothing to hide, no hidden agenda, Western 'leaders' (small l) and this is a pure version of Democracy (big D), why then the secrecy? Why every year the silence? If their conversations and plans are for the benefit of the average Euopean citizen, then we should be able to hear what they think is best for us - surely? The silence adds fuel to the fire, the mis-management of the Euro, Spain at 27.2% unemployment,yet suddenly the banking world starts to report record profits. Something is very wrong. 0.01 % of the UK are millionaires while 71% of Westminster are also millionaires. A slight discrepancy - or perhaps just an innocent mistake, just like all of those MP's and their expense claims. Feathering nests perhaps :) Henry VIII
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7:47pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Gaz1222 says...

To garston Tony; I remember reading an excellent article once on one of my favourite sites infowars.com, I can't recall the author but it was about cynics. Cynicism, it said, is the highest form of intellectual cowardice. It's a cop out. It usually means one of two things; either you're too lazy to go and check the information that you're given by doing research, or you're too frightened of what you'll find in case you have to act on it.
There's overwhelming historical evidence that the Bilderberg group planned the EU in 1955 (http://wlstorage.ne
t/file/bilderberg-me
etings-report-1955.p
df) and much much more, but some do not have the inclination. It's our naivete that got us where we are today ( economic crises, conflicts, police state control grid etc. ) This group is a steering committee attached to the Club of Rome, Tri-Lateral Commission, RIIA, and CFR. They've announced their agenda many times in various publications but they rely on the ignorant and docile not to check for themselves. As one poster has already stated, all it takes for evil to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
To garston Tony; I remember reading an excellent article once on one of my favourite sites infowars.com, I can't recall the author but it was about cynics. Cynicism, it said, is the highest form of intellectual cowardice. It's a cop out. It usually means one of two things; either you're too lazy to go and check the information that you're given by doing research, or you're too frightened of what you'll find in case you have to act on it. There's overwhelming historical evidence that the Bilderberg group planned the EU in 1955 (http://wlstorage.ne t/file/bilderberg-me etings-report-1955.p df) and much much more, but some do not have the inclination. It's our naivete that got us where we are today ( economic crises, conflicts, police state control grid etc. ) This group is a steering committee attached to the Club of Rome, Tri-Lateral Commission, RIIA, and CFR. They've announced their agenda many times in various publications but they rely on the ignorant and docile not to check for themselves. As one poster has already stated, all it takes for evil to flourish, is for good men to do nothing. Gaz1222
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8:00pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Gaz1222 says...

Further to my last post, why is it that protesters are always labelled as miscreants? Many of the people attending this event will be law abiding individuals who simply have that gift that their creator gave them.... discernment. The ability to tell truth from lies. They know inherently that these oligarchical groups are not acting with our interests at heart. Secrecy has no place in free societies, period. Know the truth, for the truth will make you free.
Further to my last post, why is it that protesters are always labelled as miscreants? Many of the people attending this event will be law abiding individuals who simply have that gift that their creator gave them.... discernment. The ability to tell truth from lies. They know inherently that these oligarchical groups are not acting with our interests at heart. Secrecy has no place in free societies, period. Know the truth, for the truth will make you free. Gaz1222
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8:35pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Gaz1222 says...

To garston Tony or anyone who wants to know how deep the rabbit hole goes, please read Professor Anthony Sutton's books including " Wall St and the Rise of Hitler" http://sandiego.indy
media.org/media/2007
/02/125049.pdf
You can also get his other books in pdf online such as "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" and then learn about the Hegellian Dialectic. Eventually the veil will lift from your eyes.
To garston Tony or anyone who wants to know how deep the rabbit hole goes, please read Professor Anthony Sutton's books including " Wall St and the Rise of Hitler" http://sandiego.indy media.org/media/2007 /02/125049.pdf You can also get his other books in pdf online such as "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" and then learn about the Hegellian Dialectic. Eventually the veil will lift from your eyes. Gaz1222
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8:56pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Gaz1222 says...

http://www.infowars.
com/bilderberg-autho
ritarianism-destroys
-humanity/
http://www.infowars. com/bilderberg-autho ritarianism-destroys -humanity/ Gaz1222
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9:09pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Gaz1222 says...

“I don’t think it’s true to say that we want to keep it out , we never wanted to get it in. We don’t encourage people to mention it in the mainstream press because we don’t encourage idle speculation about what we do. …… We forbid individual attendees from giving press meetings at our conferences, and we do that not because we’re secrecy mad, but because we want to control the politicians who come.” Martin Taylor – Secretary General, Bilderberg
“I don’t think it’s true to say that we want to keep it [Bilderberg] out [of the public consciousness], we never wanted to get it in. We don’t encourage people to mention it in the mainstream press because we don’t encourage idle speculation about what we do. …… We forbid individual attendees from giving press meetings at our conferences, and we do that not because we’re secrecy mad, but because we want to control the politicians who come.” Martin Taylor – Secretary General, Bilderberg Gaz1222
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10:07pm Tue 4 Jun 13

#UKMum says...

Hot Trolly Dolly - 'the nutty greens and other protesters who will come that we need to be wary of.

I hope Sue Murray (local Green candidate for everything going) stays away and does not encourage the sort of behaviour we all fear. She didn't get many votes before and I don't think her role in all this will have done her any favours in that direction.'

Why are you so vindictive?
Hot Trolly Dolly - 'the nutty greens and other protesters who will come that we need to be wary of. I hope Sue Murray (local Green candidate for everything going) stays away and does not encourage the sort of behaviour we all fear. She didn't get many votes before and I don't think her role in all this will have done her any favours in that direction.' Why are you so vindictive? #UKMum
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10:30pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Cuetip says...

In these austere times authorities will win accolades from all directions if there is a mismatch between the heavy police resources and the protesters turning up.

Low numbers of protesters will be registered as a success and high numbers will be credited with police intelligence.
In these austere times authorities will win accolades from all directions if there is a mismatch between the heavy police resources and the protesters turning up. Low numbers of protesters will be registered as a success and high numbers will be credited with police intelligence. Cuetip
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11:28pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Horseless Headsman says...

Greetings to the good people of Watford. Well, let's assume you're all 'good', just as it would be reasonable to assume that fringe festival participants are in fact, and in the vast majority, indeed peaceful citizens with the best of intentions exercising their right in an ostensibly free country to witness this strange incongruous phenomenon called the Bilderberg Annual Conference. My aim is to come to your glorious-looking suburb and experience the tos and fros of this security operation and share information and ideas with open-minded individuals and strangers, mostly in regard to the fact that these so-called high-profile attendees of the conference might just be having a nice little chat that we shouldn't worry our little sleepy heads about.

So, nothing too threatening in that, right? Best not assume that the sight of a non-local non-suited person with a backpack on is a 'nutter' or a 'terrorist', just because we have seen (and digested) certain patterns of history, certain ironies of the Democratic Principle and the odd glaring disparity between rules passed down to us mere peasants by those who view you as mere ants, assets and commodities for their own little-spoilt-boy power games. It does bother me slightly where the general *curiosity* of arguably well-educated masses might have gone missing. Press executives are very often invitees of this conference year and year. And yet, even now, the coverage is minimal. And all that despite the *massive* coverage re hacking/lobbying/exp
enses/establishment(
up-to-a-point)-paedo
philia that regularly do the rounds in the press. Yea, decoys galore. News within boundaries. Why not participate, then, good people of Watford? Come and see, engage, BE a free citizen and test your assumptions. I look forward to your welcome. In peace, HH.
Greetings to the good people of Watford. Well, let's assume you're all 'good', just as it would be reasonable to assume that fringe festival participants are in fact, and in the vast majority, indeed peaceful citizens with the best of intentions exercising their right in an ostensibly free country to witness this strange incongruous phenomenon called the Bilderberg Annual Conference. My aim is to come to your glorious-looking suburb and experience the tos and fros of this security operation and share information and ideas with open-minded individuals and strangers, mostly in regard to the fact that these so-called high-profile attendees of the conference might just be having a nice little chat that we shouldn't worry our little sleepy heads about. So, nothing too threatening in that, right? Best not assume that the sight of a non-local non-suited person with a backpack on is a 'nutter' or a 'terrorist', just because we have seen (and digested) certain patterns of history, certain ironies of the Democratic Principle and the odd glaring disparity between rules passed down to us mere peasants by those who view you as mere ants, assets and commodities for their own little-spoilt-boy power games. It does bother me slightly where the general *curiosity* of arguably well-educated masses might have gone missing. Press executives are very often invitees of this conference year and year. And yet, even now, the coverage is minimal. And all that despite the *massive* coverage re hacking/lobbying/exp enses/establishment( up-to-a-point)-paedo philia that regularly do the rounds in the press. Yea, decoys galore. News within boundaries. Why not participate, then, good people of Watford? Come and see, engage, BE a free citizen and test your assumptions. I look forward to your welcome. In peace, HH. Horseless Headsman
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2:46am Wed 5 Jun 13

Henry VIII says...

Horseless Headsman wrote:
Greetings to the good people of Watford. Well, let's assume you're all 'good', just as it would be reasonable to assume that fringe festival participants are in fact, and in the vast majority, indeed peaceful citizens with the best of intentions exercising their right in an ostensibly free country to witness this strange incongruous phenomenon called the Bilderberg Annual Conference. My aim is to come to your glorious-looking suburb and experience the tos and fros of this security operation and share information and ideas with open-minded individuals and strangers, mostly in regard to the fact that these so-called high-profile attendees of the conference might just be having a nice little chat that we shouldn't worry our little sleepy heads about.

So, nothing too threatening in that, right? Best not assume that the sight of a non-local non-suited person with a backpack on is a 'nutter' or a 'terrorist', just because we have seen (and digested) certain patterns of history, certain ironies of the Democratic Principle and the odd glaring disparity between rules passed down to us mere peasants by those who view you as mere ants, assets and commodities for their own little-spoilt-boy power games. It does bother me slightly where the general *curiosity* of arguably well-educated masses might have gone missing. Press executives are very often invitees of this conference year and year. And yet, even now, the coverage is minimal. And all that despite the *massive* coverage re hacking/lobbying/exp

enses/establishment(

up-to-a-point)-paedo

philia that regularly do the rounds in the press. Yea, decoys galore. News within boundaries. Why not participate, then, good people of Watford? Come and see, engage, BE a free citizen and test your assumptions. I look forward to your welcome. In peace, HH.
Good post HH. I wonder if they will discuss the possible domino effect of Syria and a possible un-fixable major break in Russia/ West relations - one neither side will be able to back down from on their own moral standings? I hope you enjoy Watford and let's all hold our breath come November....a fireworks like never seen before.
[quote][p][bold]Horseless Headsman[/bold] wrote: Greetings to the good people of Watford. Well, let's assume you're all 'good', just as it would be reasonable to assume that fringe festival participants are in fact, and in the vast majority, indeed peaceful citizens with the best of intentions exercising their right in an ostensibly free country to witness this strange incongruous phenomenon called the Bilderberg Annual Conference. My aim is to come to your glorious-looking suburb and experience the tos and fros of this security operation and share information and ideas with open-minded individuals and strangers, mostly in regard to the fact that these so-called high-profile attendees of the conference might just be having a nice little chat that we shouldn't worry our little sleepy heads about. So, nothing too threatening in that, right? Best not assume that the sight of a non-local non-suited person with a backpack on is a 'nutter' or a 'terrorist', just because we have seen (and digested) certain patterns of history, certain ironies of the Democratic Principle and the odd glaring disparity between rules passed down to us mere peasants by those who view you as mere ants, assets and commodities for their own little-spoilt-boy power games. It does bother me slightly where the general *curiosity* of arguably well-educated masses might have gone missing. Press executives are very often invitees of this conference year and year. And yet, even now, the coverage is minimal. And all that despite the *massive* coverage re hacking/lobbying/exp enses/establishment( up-to-a-point)-paedo philia that regularly do the rounds in the press. Yea, decoys galore. News within boundaries. Why not participate, then, good people of Watford? Come and see, engage, BE a free citizen and test your assumptions. I look forward to your welcome. In peace, HH.[/p][/quote]Good post HH. I wonder if they will discuss the possible domino effect of Syria and a possible un-fixable major break in Russia/ West relations - one neither side will be able to back down from on their own moral standings? I hope you enjoy Watford and let's all hold our breath come November....a fireworks like never seen before. Henry VIII
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2:49am Wed 5 Jun 13

Henry VIII says...

...I guess I should clarify. It is said that November will spark the greatest comet display known to mankind but during that time a great tragedy will befall the earth, an asteroid will hit the sea causing great floods to the UK and Europe. Upon this the Russians will seize the moment to attack a disabled West. I hope I am wrong and we can all enjoy bubble'n'squeak on Boxing Day :)
...I guess I should clarify. It is said that November will spark the greatest comet display known to mankind but during that time a great tragedy will befall the earth, an asteroid will hit the sea causing great floods to the UK and Europe. Upon this the Russians will seize the moment to attack a disabled West. I hope I am wrong and we can all enjoy bubble'n'squeak on Boxing Day :) Henry VIII
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11:10am Wed 5 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Dontknowynot, i've not said accept the status quo. I've said GIVE US SOME ACTUAL BLEEDING EVIDENCE against this group instead of nutty froot loop conspiracy theory rubbish or information about stuff that happened before they even existed.

SHOW ME SOME ACTUAL EVIDENCE and i'll quite happily stand outside the Grove with a placard myself (ok maybe not, but at least I wouldnt be able to point out the holes in every single thing that has been said against this meeting so far).

I am actually neutral about this meeting, we actually know nothing about the motives or outcomes or even if there are any so for all that people want to imagine they are an evil force the direct opposite could be true for all that is actually known and they could be doing their hardest to do what is good and right for this planet and all of us on it.

EVIDENCE people, EVIDENCE

And has austerity failed, how do you know things wouldnt be far worse if that route hadnt been taken?

And talking about something doesnt mean people are up to no good! What suspicious minds people have.
Dontknowynot, i've not said accept the status quo. I've said GIVE US SOME ACTUAL BLEEDING EVIDENCE against this group instead of nutty froot loop conspiracy theory rubbish or information about stuff that happened before they even existed. SHOW ME SOME ACTUAL EVIDENCE and i'll quite happily stand outside the Grove with a placard myself (ok maybe not, but at least I wouldnt be able to point out the holes in every single thing that has been said against this meeting so far). I am actually neutral about this meeting, we actually know nothing about the motives or outcomes or even if there are any so for all that people want to imagine they are an evil force the direct opposite could be true for all that is actually known and they could be doing their hardest to do what is good and right for this planet and all of us on it. EVIDENCE people, EVIDENCE And has austerity failed, how do you know things wouldnt be far worse if that route hadnt been taken? And talking about something doesnt mean people are up to no good! What suspicious minds people have. garston tony
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11:12am Wed 5 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Inquisitive mind the fact that the protest against the Bilderberg meetings is gaining traction is very worrying considering that NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE has so far been provided to prove ANY of the alleged wrong doing that this group have been accused of. Often the claims against this group are contradictory, just plain random and you really expect me to join the protest when people are pointing to events that happened before this group even existed?

Sorry but i'm not a gullible sheep, give me actual evidence if you want me to believe this group is up to no good.

And no, the alternative press do not have credibility at all!

Oh, and by the way it is in large part due to my personal beliefs that I ask for EVIDENCE so no need to try and patronise me thank you.
Inquisitive mind the fact that the protest against the Bilderberg meetings is gaining traction is very worrying considering that NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE has so far been provided to prove ANY of the alleged wrong doing that this group have been accused of. Often the claims against this group are contradictory, just plain random and you really expect me to join the protest when people are pointing to events that happened before this group even existed? Sorry but i'm not a gullible sheep, give me actual evidence if you want me to believe this group is up to no good. And no, the alternative press do not have credibility at all! Oh, and by the way it is in large part due to my personal beliefs that I ask for EVIDENCE so no need to try and patronise me thank you. garston tony
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11:13am Wed 5 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Chuckstate, i've not watched the video but I would be more concerned if some random person approached a sensitive area and WASNT observed and approached by security if they deemed it appropriate. This isnt a new concept its been going on for centuries!


Polonius, what facts have been presented that are linked to this group? Telling us about things that happened before this group was even formed is supposed to be evidence that they are up to no good? Because that IS actually a loony idea! As is just listing other events at random that happened after they formed and without providing any actual link expecting that to be proof enough.

All that is proof of is that governments, organisations and businessess and individuals have been involved in dodgy stuff for a long long time. But why does that make these particular meetings bad please? How do you know these arent the good men trying to do something against the evil ones?
Chuckstate, i've not watched the video but I would be more concerned if some random person approached a sensitive area and WASNT observed and approached by security if they deemed it appropriate. This isnt a new concept its been going on for centuries! Polonius, what facts have been presented that are linked to this group? Telling us about things that happened before this group was even formed is supposed to be evidence that they are up to no good? Because that IS actually a loony idea! As is just listing other events at random that happened after they formed and without providing any actual link expecting that to be proof enough. All that is proof of is that governments, organisations and businessess and individuals have been involved in dodgy stuff for a long long time. But why does that make these particular meetings bad please? How do you know these arent the good men trying to do something against the evil ones? garston tony
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11:14am Wed 5 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Gaz, I almost stopped reading once you mentioned infowars. Anyone who states that is their favourite site loses any and all credibility. But im not cynical, i'm asking for EVIDENCE please. Why can no one provide any actual evidence that this group is up to no good? You point us towards books written about Wall St and Nazis and Wall St and Bolsheviks, both events that happened before this group was formed. WHY? Why is this evidence that this group is up to no good? Yes its evidence that there have always been people up to no good, but not evidence that this group is.
Gaz, I almost stopped reading once you mentioned infowars. Anyone who states that is their favourite site loses any and all credibility. But im not cynical, i'm asking for EVIDENCE please. Why can no one provide any actual evidence that this group is up to no good? You point us towards books written about Wall St and Nazis and Wall St and Bolsheviks, both events that happened before this group was formed. WHY? Why is this evidence that this group is up to no good? Yes its evidence that there have always been people up to no good, but not evidence that this group is. garston tony
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11:14am Wed 5 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Isnt it ironic that the protesters are up in arms at the assumption in some quarters that they will cause trouble when they themselves have based their whole entire protest on the ASSUMPTION that a meeting between politicians and business people is up to no good........
Isnt it ironic that the protesters are up in arms at the assumption in some quarters that they will cause trouble when they themselves have based their whole entire protest on the ASSUMPTION that a meeting between politicians and business people is up to no good........ garston tony
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11:41am Wed 5 Jun 13

dontknowynot says...

Garston Tony
I suspect thatthere is no evidance that I can give to satisfy you, however I can give you something equal in worth, reason!

They are having a meting, the meting has an agenda, the purpose of the agenda is to find ways in which to act,

These acts would have an effect, as such they are the exercise of power..

Now whilst the effects may or may not logically be significant, they are desired and worked for by an elite.

As to Austerity not working it clearly isn't and the very real problems do need sorting out, therefore another approach is needed.
Garston Tony I suspect thatthere is no evidance that I can give to satisfy you, however I can give you something equal in worth, reason! They are having a meting, the meting has an agenda, the purpose of the agenda is to find ways in which to act, These acts would have an effect, as such they are the exercise of power.. Now whilst the effects may or may not logically be significant, they are desired and worked for by an elite. As to Austerity not working it clearly isn't and the very real problems do need sorting out, therefore another approach is needed. dontknowynot
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7:07pm Wed 5 Jun 13

Ian Fantom says...

"At today's meeting police played down reports that the number of protesters converging on Watford could be in the hundreds or thousands. "

Come on. David Icke and Alex Jones each attract thousands. This sounds potentially like another Hillsborough.
"At today's meeting police played down reports that the number of protesters converging on Watford could be in the hundreds or thousands. " Come on. David Icke and Alex Jones each attract thousands. This sounds potentially like another Hillsborough. Ian Fantom
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1:23pm Thu 6 Jun 13

garston tony says...

Dontknowynot the issues with me is not that I have been provided evidence but choose not to believe it but that I have not actually been provided any evidence at all. You know, an actual link to some nefarious act and this group.

Yes this group could be the most evil thing since someone invented paper and therefore the paper cut, but no one has actually come close to proving anything of the sort. Indeed the fact that there are numerous conflicting and just plain random claims just weakens any actual legitimate points that some are trying to make.

Yes, potentially a meeting between rich and or powerful people where the contents are not being disclosed could be a source of concern. If the protest was about that i'd be thinking, you have a fair point. But we've had lots of claims, some pretty wild, some contradictory, some blaming them for things that happened before they existed. But no actual evidence of anything as i've pointed out time and again.

For instance, yes there is a meeting, yes there is an agenda, but the purpose/outcome of the meetings..... you dont actually know. And i'll say it again maybe you believe austerity isnt meeting but whose to say the alternative(s) would be any better in practise?
Dontknowynot the issues with me is not that I have been provided evidence but choose not to believe it but that I have not actually been provided any evidence at all. You know, an actual link to some nefarious act and this group. Yes this group could be the most evil thing since someone invented paper and therefore the paper cut, but no one has actually come close to proving anything of the sort. Indeed the fact that there are numerous conflicting and just plain random claims just weakens any actual legitimate points that some are trying to make. Yes, potentially a meeting between rich and or powerful people where the contents are not being disclosed could be a source of concern. If the protest was about that i'd be thinking, you have a fair point. But we've had lots of claims, some pretty wild, some contradictory, some blaming them for things that happened before they existed. But no actual evidence of anything as i've pointed out time and again. For instance, yes there is a meeting, yes there is an agenda, but the purpose/outcome of the meetings..... you dont actually know. And i'll say it again maybe you believe austerity isnt meeting but whose to say the alternative(s) would be any better in practise? garston tony
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garston tony says...

There must be hundreds of meetings every year between government officials and businessess etc, Davos and G7/G20 for instance, where minutes are taken and the contents of discussions and negotiations are public knowledge. I'm sure some of the protesters pay attention to that, but something tells me that the majority dont and if they hear anything it is just what the press decide to put out when they happen to be watching the news.

So i'm wondering for the majority of those protesting, what is the difference in reality to people holding a meeting where they wont tell us the contents or them holding a meeting where the contents are made public knowledge but you dont actually care?
There must be hundreds of meetings every year between government officials and businessess etc, Davos and G7/G20 for instance, where minutes are taken and the contents of discussions and negotiations are public knowledge. I'm sure some of the protesters pay attention to that, but something tells me that the majority dont and if they hear anything it is just what the press decide to put out when they happen to be watching the news. So i'm wondering for the majority of those protesting, what is the difference in reality to people holding a meeting where they wont tell us the contents or them holding a meeting where the contents are made public knowledge but you dont actually care? garston tony
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