Croxley Rail Link: Politicians lobby TFL over West Watford station name

Watford Observer: The proposed viaduct connecting the existing metropolitan line with disused Croxley Green branch line. The proposed viaduct connecting the existing metropolitan line with disused Croxley Green branch line.

Tube transport bosses are being lobbied over the potential names of the new Croxley Rail Link Metropolitan Line station planned for West Watford.

Politicians in the town have written to Transport for London urging that the new station proposed for Vicarage Road is named after the road.

Watford Observer:

The move comes after councillors were told the authority currently favours the name "West Watford" as it no longer wanted to name tube stations after roads.

However politicians have argued that "Vicarage Road" is a name recognised far outside of Watford, due to its association with Watford FC, and is the name favoured locally.

Councillor Stephen Giles-Medhurst, the leader of Hertfordshire County Council Liberal Democrat group, said: "I believe Vicarage Road would be far more appropriate as it has far greater significance. Vicarage Road has the hospital, the health campus and the football stadium.

Watford Observer:

"Ultimately the trend for (Transport for London) is they do not think it is appropriate to name stations after road names even though many tube stations are named after road names."

The Labour county councillor for West Watford, Nigel Bell, said in his conversations with local residents they tended to favour the "Vicarage Road" option.

He said: "When I speak to people they want to see it as Vicarage Road as they associate it with football ground and everyone knows that. Although they probably would not mind "West Watford".

The lobbying comes as the Transport for London board is set to discuss the names of the two new stations at the end of the month.

Last week councillors were told that the authority was minded to name the other new station, planned for Ascot Road, as "Cassiobridge".

Watford Observer:

Earlier suggestions had been for the new station to be called Cassio Bridge, but local historians have made the case for the station name to be one word.

They have argued that the original farm near the road was called Cassiobridge the one word moniker would be more in keeping with the area’s history.

Watford Observer:

Ecological works began last month along the route of the £118-million project to link the Metropolitan Line with Watford Junction Station.

Under current plans the line will divert from Croxley Station through to the new Ascot Road and Vicarage Road stations, before linking to Watford High Street station and terminating at Watford Junction.

Watford Observer:

The fate of Watford Metropolitan Station is yet to be decided by the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, who has the final say on whether it will remain open to passengers.

Under the current scheme the station will be used purely as a siding for trains.

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2:04pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Tom Conniffe says...

I don't know which local historian(s) made the case for 'Cassiobridge' rather than 'Cassio Bridge', but this lot seem to differ, and I'd expect them to know what they are talking about: http://www.westwatfo
rdhistorygroup.org/t
hecanalinwatford.htm . Whichever version is settled upon, it has to be better than the bland 'Ascot Road' originally favoured.

As for the other station, 'West Watford' rather than 'Vicarage Road' please.
I don't know which local historian(s) made the case for 'Cassiobridge' rather than 'Cassio Bridge', but this lot seem to differ, and I'd expect them to know what they are talking about: http://www.westwatfo rdhistorygroup.org/t hecanalinwatford.htm . Whichever version is settled upon, it has to be better than the bland 'Ascot Road' originally favoured. As for the other station, 'West Watford' rather than 'Vicarage Road' please. Tom Conniffe
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2:05pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Tom Conniffe says...

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Whoops, URLs clearly don't translate very well in the comments boxes! Tom Conniffe
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2:10pm Mon 22 Jul 13

HornetJJ says...

Surely it has to be "Vicarage Road"!
Surely it has to be "Vicarage Road"! HornetJJ
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3:05pm Mon 22 Jul 13

mr_jrt says...

A minor niggle, but "Watford West" is far more useful when looking up the station in a list than "West Watford". Means that all the Watford station end up grouped together: Watford Junction, Watford High Street, Watford North and Watford West.
A minor niggle, but "Watford West" is far more useful when looking up the station in a list than "West Watford". Means that all the Watford station end up grouped together: Watford Junction, Watford High Street, Watford North and Watford West. mr_jrt
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3:06pm Mon 22 Jul 13

gusgreen says...

argue whats its called by all means, I favour Vic Rd but can we please, after 30 odd years, get on and build the bloody link!
argue whats its called by all means, I favour Vic Rd but can we please, after 30 odd years, get on and build the bloody link! gusgreen
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3:07pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Mad_Hat says...

'Vicarage Road' is the way forward!
'Vicarage Road' is the way forward! Mad_Hat
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3:21pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Travelling Hornet says...

Sooner the football club moves the better.
Club should sell the ground for residential purposes.
Can't see how the new Health campus and football club would work in practice.
Sooner the football club moves the better. Club should sell the ground for residential purposes. Can't see how the new Health campus and football club would work in practice. Travelling Hornet
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3:35pm Mon 22 Jul 13

TRT says...

I agree with mr_jrt.
Watford West, Watford Vicarage Road, Watford Stadium or Watford Hospital.

Watford is NOT part of London, and as such the station should be named after the town first rather than a road. The principle of naming a station after a road is fine for within London, but outside (roughly) the Circle Line, then station names reflecting the place where they are is certainly better.

Just looking at the map now and the stations outside zone 1 which don't start with the name of the area they serve and are just named after a road... unless the road is the name of the area:

Pudding Mill Lane, most of the DLR, Goldhawk Road, Hanger Lane, Warwick Ave, Ladbroke Grove, Wood Lane, Preston Road, Caledonian Road, Blackhorse Road, Turnpike Lane.

So compromise. There are plenty of stations that have the town name first, like Harringay Green Lanes, Upminster Bridge etc.

They should apply the same principle to Cassiobridge!
I agree with mr_jrt. Watford West, Watford Vicarage Road, Watford Stadium or Watford Hospital. Watford is NOT part of London, and as such the station should be named after the town first rather than a road. The principle of naming a station after a road is fine for within London, but outside (roughly) the Circle Line, then station names reflecting the place where they are is certainly better. Just looking at the map now and the stations outside zone 1 which don't start with the name of the area they serve and are just named after a road... unless the road is the name of the area: Pudding Mill Lane, most of the DLR, Goldhawk Road, Hanger Lane, Warwick Ave, Ladbroke Grove, Wood Lane, Preston Road, Caledonian Road, Blackhorse Road, Turnpike Lane. So compromise. There are plenty of stations that have the town name first, like Harringay Green Lanes, Upminster Bridge etc. They should apply the same principle to Cassiobridge! TRT
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3:54pm Mon 22 Jul 13

LSC says...

21st century problems...
21st century problems... LSC
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4:30pm Mon 22 Jul 13

andyhooked says...

I do not care or give a squiddy-dit about what names are given to the stations. Just get on with it as soon as possible. Should be a massive boost to the town and would reduce traffic congestion
I do not care or give a squiddy-dit about what names are given to the stations. Just get on with it as soon as possible. Should be a massive boost to the town and would reduce traffic congestion andyhooked
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4:56pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Andrew1963 says...

TRT wrote:
I agree with mr_jrt.
Watford West, Watford Vicarage Road, Watford Stadium or Watford Hospital.

Watford is NOT part of London, and as such the station should be named after the town first rather than a road. The principle of naming a station after a road is fine for within London, but outside (roughly) the Circle Line, then station names reflecting the place where they are is certainly better.

Just looking at the map now and the stations outside zone 1 which don't start with the name of the area they serve and are just named after a road... unless the road is the name of the area:

Pudding Mill Lane, most of the DLR, Goldhawk Road, Hanger Lane, Warwick Ave, Ladbroke Grove, Wood Lane, Preston Road, Caledonian Road, Blackhorse Road, Turnpike Lane.

So compromise. There are plenty of stations that have the town name first, like Harringay Green Lanes, Upminster Bridge etc.

They should apply the same principle to Cassiobridge!
Watford is part of London with regards to Oyster ticketing. What we want is the politicians to lobby and ensure these new stations stay in Oyster zone 7 and not the much more expensive 9 or worse still the Watford Junction even higher Oyster prices. I wouldn't hold my breath on much impact on traffic congestion, as most of the journeys will be to/from central London rather than local trips. Bushey Station and Carpenders Park have an excellent service to Watford High Street and Watford Junction, but the roads are still congested in the rush hour annd at weekend shopping times. These new urban lines have little impact on switching car journeys to rail, they tend to generate extra rail journeys rather than generate transfer from one sort of transport to another. So i see little prospect of significant reduction in congestion on routes to Watford from Croxley; Moor Park or Northwood, despite what officials say in reports to justify the funding.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: I agree with mr_jrt. Watford West, Watford Vicarage Road, Watford Stadium or Watford Hospital. Watford is NOT part of London, and as such the station should be named after the town first rather than a road. The principle of naming a station after a road is fine for within London, but outside (roughly) the Circle Line, then station names reflecting the place where they are is certainly better. Just looking at the map now and the stations outside zone 1 which don't start with the name of the area they serve and are just named after a road... unless the road is the name of the area: Pudding Mill Lane, most of the DLR, Goldhawk Road, Hanger Lane, Warwick Ave, Ladbroke Grove, Wood Lane, Preston Road, Caledonian Road, Blackhorse Road, Turnpike Lane. So compromise. There are plenty of stations that have the town name first, like Harringay Green Lanes, Upminster Bridge etc. They should apply the same principle to Cassiobridge![/p][/quote]Watford is part of London with regards to Oyster ticketing. What we want is the politicians to lobby and ensure these new stations stay in Oyster zone 7 and not the much more expensive 9 or worse still the Watford Junction even higher Oyster prices. I wouldn't hold my breath on much impact on traffic congestion, as most of the journeys will be to/from central London rather than local trips. Bushey Station and Carpenders Park have an excellent service to Watford High Street and Watford Junction, but the roads are still congested in the rush hour annd at weekend shopping times. These new urban lines have little impact on switching car journeys to rail, they tend to generate extra rail journeys rather than generate transfer from one sort of transport to another. So i see little prospect of significant reduction in congestion on routes to Watford from Croxley; Moor Park or Northwood, despite what officials say in reports to justify the funding. Andrew1963
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6:02pm Mon 22 Jul 13

Watford_Chick says...

In the last 5yrs they have spent millions re-doing the track between watford, croxley and towards harrow they have no plans to close watford met any time soon!!!
its all a lots of BS!!!
In the last 5yrs they have spent millions re-doing the track between watford, croxley and towards harrow they have no plans to close watford met any time soon!!! its all a lots of BS!!! Watford_Chick
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8:07pm Mon 22 Jul 13

watfordrick says...

Agreed why are they wasting our time with the name - build the flippin thing you bunch of c**nts
Agreed why are they wasting our time with the name - build the flippin thing you bunch of c**nts watfordrick
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10:46pm Mon 22 Jul 13

TRT says...

I suppose by the same logic, Cassiobridge should be Croxley East.
I suppose by the same logic, Cassiobridge should be Croxley East. TRT
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10:56pm Mon 22 Jul 13

mr_jrt says...

@TRT

...or Croxley Green ;)
@TRT ...or Croxley Green ;) mr_jrt
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8:11am Tue 23 Jul 13

Maclanx says...

Travelling Hornet wrote:
Sooner the football club moves the better.
Club should sell the ground for residential purposes.
Can't see how the new Health campus and football club would work in practice.
I'm afraid that's too logical. Leaders had a chance to make things better in the long term but didn't have the nerve.

Should have made plans to move both several years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Travelling Hornet[/bold] wrote: Sooner the football club moves the better. Club should sell the ground for residential purposes. Can't see how the new Health campus and football club would work in practice.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid that's too logical. Leaders had a chance to make things better in the long term but didn't have the nerve. Should have made plans to move both several years ago. Maclanx
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3:24pm Tue 23 Jul 13

Travelling Hornet says...

Agreed , by moving football club you would reduce congestion at a stroke in that area.
But I remember when the club were thinking of moving, the council lead the club up the garden path with regard to planning applications back in the Elton John/ Graham Taylor days, costing hundreds of thousands in wasted fees.
A complete lack of foresight as it turned out by the council .
Now most cities and towns have new football stadiums and the prestige of having a modern venue in area boosts everyone in the towns that built them.
Come On Dot free up some unused land near the M1, the perfect place would be opposite Costco next to the Hilton hotel, the club could do a deal with the hotel over naming rights that would fund the construction of the stadium..... The Hilton Stadium, home of the Hornets!
Everyone happy!!!!
Agreed , by moving football club you would reduce congestion at a stroke in that area. But I remember when the club were thinking of moving, the council lead the club up the garden path with regard to planning applications back in the Elton John/ Graham Taylor days, costing hundreds of thousands in wasted fees. A complete lack of foresight as it turned out by the council . Now most cities and towns have new football stadiums and the prestige of having a modern venue in area boosts everyone in the towns that built them. Come On Dot free up some unused land near the M1, the perfect place would be opposite Costco next to the Hilton hotel, the club could do a deal with the hotel over naming rights that would fund the construction of the stadium..... The Hilton Stadium, home of the Hornets! Everyone happy!!!! Travelling Hornet
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3:33am Wed 24 Jul 13

Honest Rog says...

Never, never move the Hornets from their home in Vicarage Road. The bogus arguments with regard traffic on matchdays is proven to be...err..bogus. Just look at the congestion on non-match Saturdays, that knocks the traffic argument into touch.
No, redevelop the East Stand and then we can re-enter the First Division with pride.
Never, never move the Hornets from their home in Vicarage Road. The bogus arguments with regard traffic on matchdays is proven to be...err..bogus. Just look at the congestion on non-match Saturdays, that knocks the traffic argument into touch. No, redevelop the East Stand and then we can re-enter the First Division with pride. Honest Rog
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9:08am Wed 24 Jul 13

Travelling Hornet says...

Sorry Rog , it will happen, perhaps not for 5 years but it's the only way forward.I love the Vic but the area will not support a Premier League club and the chaos the large attendances will bring. It was fine for 1920 but not this day and age.
The stand will be built I'm sure even if there are firm plans to move.
Sorry Rog , it will happen, perhaps not for 5 years but it's the only way forward.I love the Vic but the area will not support a Premier League club and the chaos the large attendances will bring. It was fine for 1920 but not this day and age. The stand will be built I'm sure even if there are firm plans to move. Travelling Hornet
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5:07am Sun 28 Jul 13

Keefer says...

Watford_Chick wrote:
In the last 5yrs they have spent millions re-doing the track between watford, croxley and towards harrow they have no plans to close watford met any time soon!!!
its all a lots of BS!!!
As an LUL Track Worker based at Rickmansworth, I can tell you that plans are already underway to turn Watford Met into a train Depot. It already stables trains overnight and is currently being upgraded for this purpose.

The Station will close and residents can then stop complaining about engineering works keeping them awake.
[quote][p][bold]Watford_Chick[/bold] wrote: In the last 5yrs they have spent millions re-doing the track between watford, croxley and towards harrow they have no plans to close watford met any time soon!!! its all a lots of BS!!![/p][/quote]As an LUL Track Worker based at Rickmansworth, I can tell you that plans are already underway to turn Watford Met into a train Depot. It already stables trains overnight and is currently being upgraded for this purpose. The Station will close and residents can then stop complaining about engineering works keeping them awake. Keefer
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