Carpenders Park racist Tube rant man, Keith Hurdle, jailed for 12 weeks

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A Carpenders Park man who went on a drunken racist rant at a London Underground passenger has been jailed for 12 weeks.

Keith Hurdle was arrested after being filmed shouting abuse at a Japanese passenger on the Bakerloo Line.

The footage was later posted on YouTube and went viral after celebrities linked to the clip via their Twitter pages.

The 52-year-old, who had admitted public order offences at a previous hearing, was told his behaviour on the train was of "an extremely unpleasant nature", when he appeared for sentencing at Westminster Magistrates' Court today.

Hurdle, of Harrow Way, said at the time of the rant he was "consumed with alcohol" after drinking while watching the England World Cup Qualifier victory against Poland in a pub from 4pm on October 15.

The court also heard Hurdle had had an alcohol problem since the 1990s, which has resulted in the breakdown of his marriage and the loss of his job earlier this year.

When police questioned Hurdle about the tirade, he said: "I don’t recall anything about the exchange of words on the train and I would like to apologise to those concerned."

He later added: "I apologise. I didn’t mean to. If I abused them I didn’t mean to do it. I don’t know what to say, I can’t remember any of it."

Prosecutor, Zahid Hussain, told the court Kuniko Ingram, the Japanese victim who Hurdle shouted racist abuse at, was on her way home from her human resources job when Hurdle began shouting.

Hurdle, who claimed he was in the parachute regiment, told the victim to get off the train because his uncle had died at the hands of the Japanese during the Second World War.

In Mrs Ingram’s statement read out to the court, she explained she tried to ignore Hurdle while he was yelling at her.

She said: "I felt chills down my spine and I was fearful as I was becoming a target of his abuse."

During Hurdle’s tirade, he questioned how long Mrs Ingram has lived in the country and told her to go back home.

Another passenger approached Mrs Ingram, advising her to get off the train at the next stop, which she did.

When she got home, the victim told her husband, but they decided not to report it to police because they thought it would be difficult to track Hurdle down.

It was not until she heard about the YouTube clip going viral that she decided to contact the police.

Hurdle also pleaded guilty to using threatening behaviour towards the man who filmed the assault, Mr Ali.

Mr Ali was on his way to a family dinner when Hurdle, who was sitting opposite him, began yelling at Mrs Ingram.

When Mr Ali challenged Hurdle about his behaviour, Hurdle replied: "I will knock you out with one punch" and then took a wine bottle out of his bag and began drinking it.

Hurdle, who was wearing a long brown tweed coat with a white shirt, tie and grey pin-striped trousers, partially shielded his face while a clip of the tirade was played out in court.

Speaking in Hurdle’s defence, Patrick O’Reilly, said: "You can’t reason with a drunk and I think that’s reflected obviously in the footage."

The court was told Hurdle became dependent on alcohol after his mother was diagnosed with an aggressive form of cancer.

Chairman of the bench, Jane Hepburn, said: "These offences are of an extremely unpleasant nature and committed on public transport against London passengers within the confines of an underground train."

She added that, as the tirade was "aggressive and prolonged we feel it passes the custody threshold".

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3:44pm Fri 6 Dec 13

CaptainPC says...

This is mental. Violent offences often don't get custodials.
This is mental. Violent offences often don't get custodials. CaptainPC

4:16pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500.

I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end.
Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500. I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end. Phil Cox (UKIP)

4:25pm Fri 6 Dec 13

CaptainPC says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500.

I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end.
Got drunk and acted like a fool. Obviously ashamed of this and maybe needs help to change but 12 weeks in jail for name calling is mad.

Possibly he has loads of previous but I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500. I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end.[/p][/quote]Got drunk and acted like a fool. Obviously ashamed of this and maybe needs help to change but 12 weeks in jail for name calling is mad. Possibly he has loads of previous but I doubt it. CaptainPC

4:52pm Fri 6 Dec 13

andyandyandy says...

Good he deserved it. Should have made it six months. Anyone defending him or suggesting he should have got a slap on the wrist is a moron.
Good he deserved it. Should have made it six months. Anyone defending him or suggesting he should have got a slap on the wrist is a moron. andyandyandy

5:02pm Fri 6 Dec 13

alfonsobonso says...

andyandyandy wrote:
Good he deserved it. Should have made it six months. Anyone defending him or suggesting he should have got a slap on the wrist is a moron.
Would it be moronic to suggest he needs help for alcoholism rather than a prison sentence?
[quote][p][bold]andyandyandy[/bold] wrote: Good he deserved it. Should have made it six months. Anyone defending him or suggesting he should have got a slap on the wrist is a moron.[/p][/quote]Would it be moronic to suggest he needs help for alcoholism rather than a prison sentence? alfonsobonso

5:26pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Cuetip says...

CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500.

I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end.
Got drunk and acted like a fool. Obviously ashamed of this and maybe needs help to change but 12 weeks in jail for name calling is mad.

Possibly he has loads of previous but I doubt it.
The outcome of this distressing case is most interesting and I’m drawn to this quote by Lao- Tze for Mr Hurdle and Mr Ali who behaved so differently. Perhaps we should at look ourselves in terms of how we act in our daily lives eg work place bullying.

Watch your thoughts, they become words.
Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habits.

Mr Hurdle behaved in a very overtly offensive threatening manner to Mrs Ingram - on an innocent passenger. This must also have been awfully for those around. Sadly it seems that Mr Ali was alone in courageously challenging this racist rant.

This makes me wonder if there are probably far worst acts being committed in a very covert manner which just sneaks beneath the legal radar and goes unpunished and may even be rewarded.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500. I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end.[/p][/quote]Got drunk and acted like a fool. Obviously ashamed of this and maybe needs help to change but 12 weeks in jail for name calling is mad. Possibly he has loads of previous but I doubt it.[/p][/quote]The outcome of this distressing case is most interesting and I’m drawn to this quote by Lao- Tze for Mr Hurdle and Mr Ali who behaved so differently. Perhaps we should at look ourselves in terms of how we act in our daily lives eg work place bullying. Watch your thoughts, they become words. Watch your words, they become actions. Watch your actions, they become habits. Mr Hurdle behaved in a very overtly offensive threatening manner to Mrs Ingram - on an innocent passenger. This must also have been awfully for those around. Sadly it seems that Mr Ali was alone in courageously challenging this racist rant. This makes me wonder if there are probably far worst acts being committed in a very covert manner which just sneaks beneath the legal radar and goes unpunished and may even be rewarded. Cuetip

6:04pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Mr Watford of Watford says...

The sentence (and behaviour) would suggest a string of previous, not sure if locking him up with criminals is likely to help him or the victims in anyway for these particular offences. But if you threaten to knock people out, you're asking for trouble.
The sentence (and behaviour) would suggest a string of previous, not sure if locking him up with criminals is likely to help him or the victims in anyway for these particular offences. But if you threaten to knock people out, you're asking for trouble. Mr Watford of Watford

7:30pm Fri 6 Dec 13

watfordrick says...

CaptainPC wrote:
This is mental. Violent offences often don't get custodials.
Yeah get p!ssed up then knock someone out with one punch and your probably get community service or something.
Or, get p!ssed up threaten to to knock someone out and it gets filmed on youtube and your doing time!
I mean who hasn't had one to many and got a bit lairy on the train. This beggars belief.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: This is mental. Violent offences often don't get custodials.[/p][/quote]Yeah get p!ssed up then knock someone out with one punch and your probably get community service or something. Or, get p!ssed up threaten to to knock someone out and it gets filmed on youtube and your doing time! I mean who hasn't had one to many and got a bit lairy on the train. This beggars belief. watfordrick

8:42pm Fri 6 Dec 13

englishrose123 says...

thank god this disgusting individual got a prison sentence. When ever i have seen him he is nasty and foul mouthed. he is nothing but a full grown yobo who doesnt seem to have grown up. I dont care if he has alcohol problems, he is just a nasty scum bag.
thank god this disgusting individual got a prison sentence. When ever i have seen him he is nasty and foul mouthed. he is nothing but a full grown yobo who doesnt seem to have grown up. I dont care if he has alcohol problems, he is just a nasty scum bag. englishrose123

10:01pm Fri 6 Dec 13

LSC says...

I don't mind that he got prison, but there are far worse crimes that don't so it would be nice to see some proportion and consistancy.
He abused and threatened someone. He should be punished.

But go up Watford High Street any Saturday night and you will see lots of abuse and threats, often followed by actual violence. These are usually dealt with by community orders and fines, despite blood being spilled

I have not seen the clip myself, but I'd wager many an Asian taxi driver or fast food employee has heard worse from a drunk.
I don't mind that he got prison, but there are far worse crimes that don't so it would be nice to see some proportion and consistancy. He abused and threatened someone. He should be punished. But go up Watford High Street any Saturday night and you will see lots of abuse and threats, often followed by actual violence. These are usually dealt with by community orders and fines, despite blood being spilled I have not seen the clip myself, but I'd wager many an Asian taxi driver or fast food employee has heard worse from a drunk. LSC

11:02pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Cuetip says...

LSC wrote:
I don't mind that he got prison, but there are far worse crimes that don't so it would be nice to see some proportion and consistancy.
He abused and threatened someone. He should be punished.

But go up Watford High Street any Saturday night and you will see lots of abuse and threats, often followed by actual violence. These are usually dealt with by community orders and fines, despite blood being spilled

I have not seen the clip myself, but I'd wager many an Asian taxi driver or fast food employee has heard worse from a drunk.
Those that behave in this manner have to realise that lines need to drawn in the sand and perhaps that's why we are on the very slippery slope downwards as you have described with public swearing becoming the norm just like the littering of streets.

If adultsbehave in this manner it's not surprising that youngsters will follow.
[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: I don't mind that he got prison, but there are far worse crimes that don't so it would be nice to see some proportion and consistancy. He abused and threatened someone. He should be punished. But go up Watford High Street any Saturday night and you will see lots of abuse and threats, often followed by actual violence. These are usually dealt with by community orders and fines, despite blood being spilled I have not seen the clip myself, but I'd wager many an Asian taxi driver or fast food employee has heard worse from a drunk.[/p][/quote]Those that behave in this manner have to realise that lines need to drawn in the sand and perhaps that's why we are on the very slippery slope downwards as you have described with public swearing becoming the norm just like the littering of streets. If adultsbehave in this manner it's not surprising that youngsters will follow. Cuetip

12:01pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Nevnash says...

It appears Mr Hurdle would benefit from some professional help with his drinking, he is clearly sorry, and should be encouraged to go to alcoholics anonamous, rather than imprisoning him. Support and informative direction would surely educate him into realising the error of his ways.
It appears Mr Hurdle would benefit from some professional help with his drinking, he is clearly sorry, and should be encouraged to go to alcoholics anonamous, rather than imprisoning him. Support and informative direction would surely educate him into realising the error of his ways. Nevnash

4:49pm Sat 7 Dec 13

trebleywebley says...

just type in carpenders park racist tube rant,on You Tube
just type in carpenders park racist tube rant,on You Tube trebleywebley

3:35am Mon 9 Dec 13

ExPat_Butcher says...

that was an Expensive night out Keith
that was an Expensive night out Keith ExPat_Butcher

10:30am Mon 9 Dec 13

CaptainPC says...

Cuetip wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500.

I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end.
Got drunk and acted like a fool. Obviously ashamed of this and maybe needs help to change but 12 weeks in jail for name calling is mad.

Possibly he has loads of previous but I doubt it.
The outcome of this distressing case is most interesting and I’m drawn to this quote by Lao- Tze for Mr Hurdle and Mr Ali who behaved so differently. Perhaps we should at look ourselves in terms of how we act in our daily lives eg work place bullying.

Watch your thoughts, they become words.
Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habits.

Mr Hurdle behaved in a very overtly offensive threatening manner to Mrs Ingram - on an innocent passenger. This must also have been awfully for those around. Sadly it seems that Mr Ali was alone in courageously challenging this racist rant.

This makes me wonder if there are probably far worst acts being committed in a very covert manner which just sneaks beneath the legal radar and goes unpunished and may even be rewarded.
It would have been distressing for those people around, I agree. I wasn't saying he hadn't done anything wrong just that the sentence seems disproportionate to the offence.

If I was to get drunk on the train and use sexual slurs i.e. calling women C***ts in front of their kids I doubt it would result in the same sentence. It's because it was "racist" that the Magistrates had to sentence so strongly.
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: Prison seems excessive and also the cost of actually putting someone up in the prison system, about £7,000 for 12 weeks, but I suppose he will be out in £3,500. I just hope he's learned his lesson, but I would have hoped there was a cheaper and less draconian way of achieving that end.[/p][/quote]Got drunk and acted like a fool. Obviously ashamed of this and maybe needs help to change but 12 weeks in jail for name calling is mad. Possibly he has loads of previous but I doubt it.[/p][/quote]The outcome of this distressing case is most interesting and I’m drawn to this quote by Lao- Tze for Mr Hurdle and Mr Ali who behaved so differently. Perhaps we should at look ourselves in terms of how we act in our daily lives eg work place bullying. Watch your thoughts, they become words. Watch your words, they become actions. Watch your actions, they become habits. Mr Hurdle behaved in a very overtly offensive threatening manner to Mrs Ingram - on an innocent passenger. This must also have been awfully for those around. Sadly it seems that Mr Ali was alone in courageously challenging this racist rant. This makes me wonder if there are probably far worst acts being committed in a very covert manner which just sneaks beneath the legal radar and goes unpunished and may even be rewarded.[/p][/quote]It would have been distressing for those people around, I agree. I wasn't saying he hadn't done anything wrong just that the sentence seems disproportionate to the offence. If I was to get drunk on the train and use sexual slurs i.e. calling women C***ts in front of their kids I doubt it would result in the same sentence. It's because it was "racist" that the Magistrates had to sentence so strongly. CaptainPC

11:21am Mon 9 Dec 13

garston tony says...

If the chap has had a problem with drink over many years and doesnt appear to be managing it ie he's still getting drunk then yes he does need help (maybe he has been offered it but isnt willing to do anything about the problem) but also deserves what punishment he gets for whatever hes done whilst drunk.

You would have thought losing your wife and job would have been a bit of a kick up the whatsit to get your life sorted out

As to the sentence, compared to other sentencing is 12 weeks too harsh or is other sentencing too lenient? I think its the latter personally
If the chap has had a problem with drink over many years and doesnt appear to be managing it ie he's still getting drunk then yes he does need help (maybe he has been offered it but isnt willing to do anything about the problem) but also deserves what punishment he gets for whatever hes done whilst drunk. You would have thought losing your wife and job would have been a bit of a kick up the whatsit to get your life sorted out As to the sentence, compared to other sentencing is 12 weeks too harsh or is other sentencing too lenient? I think its the latter personally garston tony

11:28am Mon 9 Dec 13

Bubbybluebell says...

englishrose123 wrote:
thank god this disgusting individual got a prison sentence. When ever i have seen him he is nasty and foul mouthed. he is nothing but a full grown yobo who doesnt seem to have grown up. I dont care if he has alcohol problems, he is just a nasty scum bag.
i totally agree with you here... nothing but a women hating, racist bully who thinks by saying he doesnt remember it, will make it better.. i KNOW he'll remember it - because i know him.
[quote][p][bold]englishrose123[/bold] wrote: thank god this disgusting individual got a prison sentence. When ever i have seen him he is nasty and foul mouthed. he is nothing but a full grown yobo who doesnt seem to have grown up. I dont care if he has alcohol problems, he is just a nasty scum bag.[/p][/quote]i totally agree with you here... nothing but a women hating, racist bully who thinks by saying he doesnt remember it, will make it better.. i KNOW he'll remember it - because i know him. Bubbybluebell

12:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

CaptainPC says...

Has he got loads of previous then?
Not asking whether you like him, but whether he has convictions.
Has he got loads of previous then? Not asking whether you like him, but whether he has convictions. CaptainPC

1:47pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bubbybluebell says...

CaptainPC wrote:
Has he got loads of previous then? Not asking whether you like him, but whether he has convictions.
not for racist abuse, no. but plenty of other stuff..
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: Has he got loads of previous then? Not asking whether you like him, but whether he has convictions.[/p][/quote]not for racist abuse, no. but plenty of other stuff.. Bubbybluebell

2:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bubbybluebell says...

Nevnash wrote:
It appears Mr Hurdle would benefit from some professional help with his drinking, he is clearly sorry, and should be encouraged to go to alcoholics anonamous, rather than imprisoning him. Support and informative direction would surely educate him into realising the error of his ways.
but he isnt genuinely sorry to the people he was racially abusive to - he's just sorry he got caught.
[quote][p][bold]Nevnash[/bold] wrote: It appears Mr Hurdle would benefit from some professional help with his drinking, he is clearly sorry, and should be encouraged to go to alcoholics anonamous, rather than imprisoning him. Support and informative direction would surely educate him into realising the error of his ways.[/p][/quote]but he isnt genuinely sorry to the people he was racially abusive to - he's just sorry he got caught. Bubbybluebell

7:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

watfordrick says...

Bubbybluebell wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
Has he got loads of previous then? Not asking whether you like him, but whether he has convictions.
not for racist abuse, no. but plenty of other stuff..
I'm changing my mind then I hope he gets bummed in nick!
[quote][p][bold]Bubbybluebell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: Has he got loads of previous then? Not asking whether you like him, but whether he has convictions.[/p][/quote]not for racist abuse, no. but plenty of other stuff..[/p][/quote]I'm changing my mind then I hope he gets bummed in nick! watfordrick

11:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

englishrose123 says...

i know him also, and have been subject to lots of abuse from him. He does seem to be a woman hater, but mainly because he is such a weasel and frighten of shout abuse at men!

he deserves everything that is coming to him. -- and yes totally to not sorry for what he has done, but for ever getting caught!
i know him also, and have been subject to lots of abuse from him. He does seem to be a woman hater, but mainly because he is such a weasel and frighten of shout abuse at men! he deserves everything that is coming to him. -- and yes totally to not sorry for what he has done, but for ever getting caught! englishrose123

8:00am Tue 10 Dec 13

Bubbybluebell says...

englishrose123 wrote:
i know him also, and have been subject to lots of abuse from him. He does seem to be a woman hater, but mainly because he is such a weasel and frighten of shout abuse at men! he deserves everything that is coming to him. -- and yes totally to not sorry for what he has done, but for ever getting caught!
How have you had the "pleasure" of knowing him?!!
[quote][p][bold]englishrose123[/bold] wrote: i know him also, and have been subject to lots of abuse from him. He does seem to be a woman hater, but mainly because he is such a weasel and frighten of shout abuse at men! he deserves everything that is coming to him. -- and yes totally to not sorry for what he has done, but for ever getting caught![/p][/quote]How have you had the "pleasure" of knowing him?!! Bubbybluebell

12:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Bubbybluebell says...

None of you know him. I do. He deserves much longer. He's a violent man, and a racist. End of.
None of you know him. I do. He deserves much longer. He's a violent man, and a racist. End of. Bubbybluebell

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