Councillors to vote on new Watford General Hospital road tonight

Watford Observer: Councillor to vote on new Watford General Hospital road tonight Councillor to vote on new Watford General Hospital road tonight

Proposals for a new road to Watford General Hospital have been recommended for approval by council planners.

Watford Borough Council’s development control committee is due to vote on the plan to build an access road from Dalton Way to Willow Lane today (Thursday).

The scheme will see the road cut through the Oxhey Park playing fields, the across Wiggenhall Road, through the Cardiff Road Industrial Estate, which is due to be redeveloped.

Council officers said some of the buildings on the estate contain asbestos, and invasive species such as Japanese Knotweed. There may also be a risk of "unexploded ordnance".

Outline planning permission was granted in 2010 for a masterplan for a large scale redevelopment of the hospital site, Cardiff Road industrial estate and former Carriage Sheds site as part of the health campus. The road was identified as "integral" to the plan.

Letters were sent out to 115 properties in the area and eight replies were received, raising concerns about the loss of playing fields and damage to the river.

The road will plough through a Gaelic football pitch and single football pitch, as well as the changing rooms in the Irish Centre building, a hard court used for tennis and basketball.

One complainant said the road was being built to "serve a commercial development which may not be economically successful" and would result in the loss of Irish Centre.

A lake will also have to be created to negate the effects of building the road in a flood plain.

The location is the north of the River Colne, and part of the access road crosses a small tributary of the river.

A report into the road said it could "increase flooding both on and off the site" and would results in the loss of significant areas of habitat.

Watford General Hospital will lose 585 of its 695 car parking spaces for staff, and 73 visitor spaces.

New temporary parking spaces will be provided during the construction phase and on completion of the road.

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6:17pm Thu 12 Dec 13

TRT says...

"Letters were sent out to 115 properties in the area and eight replies were received, raising concerns about the loss of playing fields and damage to the river."

Err... no they haven't. The proposed development is right in front of my flat. Another Watford planning shambles. The council are a disgrace.
"Letters were sent out to 115 properties in the area and eight replies were received, raising concerns about the loss of playing fields and damage to the river." Err... no they haven't. The proposed development is right in front of my flat. Another Watford planning shambles. The council are a disgrace. TRT

6:27pm Thu 12 Dec 13

ramage1996 says...

TRT wrote:
"Letters were sent out to 115 properties in the area and eight replies were received, raising concerns about the loss of playing fields and damage to the river."

Err... no they haven't. The proposed development is right in front of my flat. Another Watford planning shambles. The council are a disgrace.
This road sounds like a very good idea, NIMBYS like you and them allotment people should pipe down.

IDWT!
(IN DOTTY WE TRUST!)

The greatest Mayor this town has ever seen.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: "Letters were sent out to 115 properties in the area and eight replies were received, raising concerns about the loss of playing fields and damage to the river." Err... no they haven't. The proposed development is right in front of my flat. Another Watford planning shambles. The council are a disgrace.[/p][/quote]This road sounds like a very good idea, NIMBYS like you and them allotment people should pipe down. IDWT! (IN DOTTY WE TRUST!) The greatest Mayor this town has ever seen. ramage1996

7:15pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Keefer says...

If you frequent anywhere near Watford General Hospital, a new access rd can't come soon enough .But it's not the Hospital that causes jams, it's the workforce traveling from all areas to the Croxley Business Park that gives rise to a nightmare both Morning & Evening. I would therefore venture as far as suggesting the proposals be extended along the Ebury Way, across Tolpits Lane at the junction with the Camelot round-a-bout, & through to Greenhill Cresent to reduce West Watford traffic further.

Those with selfish reasons to complain ought to consider those of us that have had to put up with this daily grind for the last 35 years+
If you frequent anywhere near Watford General Hospital, a new access rd can't come soon enough .But it's not the Hospital that causes jams, it's the workforce traveling from all areas to the Croxley Business Park that gives rise to a nightmare both Morning & Evening. I would therefore venture as far as suggesting the proposals be extended along the Ebury Way, across Tolpits Lane at the junction with the Camelot round-a-bout, & through to Greenhill Cresent to reduce West Watford traffic further. Those with selfish reasons to complain ought to consider those of us that have had to put up with this daily grind for the last 35 years+ Keefer

8:01pm Thu 12 Dec 13

jasonwatford says...

so where do all those parking spaces that will be lost go ???
so where do all those parking spaces that will be lost go ??? jasonwatford

10:09pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Doctor of Letters says...

That's the spirit: more tarmac! noise! pollution! anger! speed! money! Build over what's left of the wretched greenery of this utterly ruined town. Think of all the money that can be made/spent/channeled to vested interests! To hell with the Irish Club: what has it done for me? Allotments? Playing fields? Pah! Nimbysim, eh, Ramage? Too right. Listen to this visionary! Let's make Watford the ugliest possible place on earth. We're on our way!
That's the spirit: more tarmac! noise! pollution! anger! speed! money! Build over what's left of the wretched greenery of this utterly ruined town. Think of all the money that can be made/spent/channeled to vested interests! To hell with the Irish Club: what has it done for me? Allotments? Playing fields? Pah! Nimbysim, eh, Ramage? Too right. Listen to this visionary! Let's make Watford the ugliest possible place on earth. We're on our way! Doctor of Letters

10:11pm Thu 12 Dec 13

gusgreen says...

jasonwatford wrote:
so where do all those parking spaces that will be lost go ???
The WO has got this wrong.Looking at the plans they end up with more spaces at the end of the build and there is ample temporary space for parking when all the buildings have been demolished and the site levelled which is due before the old car park is closed.
As a point of interest the car park which the staff use is only a temporary measure in any case,well it has been for the past 5 years or so!!!!
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: so where do all those parking spaces that will be lost go ???[/p][/quote]The WO has got this wrong.Looking at the plans they end up with more spaces at the end of the build and there is ample temporary space for parking when all the buildings have been demolished and the site levelled which is due before the old car park is closed. As a point of interest the car park which the staff use is only a temporary measure in any case,well it has been for the past 5 years or so!!!! gusgreen

10:21pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

Has anyone noticed there is no new hospital and there is no money for a new hospital? Our hospital has money problems already.

Dotty may well be building a road to nowhere, which kind of symbolises much that she stands for.
Has anyone noticed there is no new hospital and there is no money for a new hospital? Our hospital has money problems already. Dotty may well be building a road to nowhere, which kind of symbolises much that she stands for. Phil Cox (UKIP)

11:24pm Thu 12 Dec 13

TRT says...

Phil's right. The future of the hospital is still dreadfully unclear. They'll build the road and then the health campus plans will be scaled back or abandoned altogether. Likely they'll build the most profitable part first, namely housing, the Croxley depot land will be leased in 10 year chunks to commerce who will argue for terms giving poor value to the tax payer due to the short lease involved; they'll use the new road eventually when the council gives in, and the traffic on Lower High Street will get even more congested. And we'll have lost more green space.
The middle of the congested concrete jungle that is West Watford isn't the best place for a hospital either. Up in the curve of the M25 at King's Langley where you could build something green and pleasent with good road and rail access (the CRL is not going to be good for the hospital - it's uphill in both directions), somewhere research divisions of pharmaceutical companies will want to come.
Phil's right. The future of the hospital is still dreadfully unclear. They'll build the road and then the health campus plans will be scaled back or abandoned altogether. Likely they'll build the most profitable part first, namely housing, the Croxley depot land will be leased in 10 year chunks to commerce who will argue for terms giving poor value to the tax payer due to the short lease involved; they'll use the new road eventually when the council gives in, and the traffic on Lower High Street will get even more congested. And we'll have lost more green space. The middle of the congested concrete jungle that is West Watford isn't the best place for a hospital either. Up in the curve of the M25 at King's Langley where you could build something green and pleasent with good road and rail access (the CRL is not going to be good for the hospital - it's uphill in both directions), somewhere research divisions of pharmaceutical companies will want to come. TRT

1:55am Fri 13 Dec 13

phil mitchel says...

"The greatest Mayor this town has ever seen"
Looks like the towns due a visit to Specsavers !
"The greatest Mayor this town has ever seen" Looks like the towns due a visit to Specsavers ! phil mitchel

2:25am Fri 13 Dec 13

Honest Rog says...

Oh great! Take away our hospital and build it in the middle of nowhere. "good road and rail access"? It may have missed TRT but a station will be built on the Croxley Rail Link to service our hospital. As for cars; well, here's a thought: If one's journey is such an ordeal, poor lamb, get out and use the train or, better still, go by bicycle. Benefits will be twofold in that fitness levels will improve and the more that Ebury Way and it's offshoots are used will make it that much harder for the petrolheads to make a case for making it into a road.
BTW the "small tributary of the river (Colne)" is no such thing anymore. Tesco's diverted the course of this ex-tributary to build their store and now it doesn't flow under Lower high Street next to Mrs Goodfellows newsagents and Cantons boot repairers to flow back into the Colne in Oxhey Park. It flows around the back of Frogmore Cottages and joins the Colne at the back of the Saab dealers some 300 metres upstream from it's original course.
IDWT
(If Dotty were trusted)
Oh great! Take away our hospital and build it in the middle of nowhere. "good road and rail access"? It may have missed TRT but a station will be built on the Croxley Rail Link to service our hospital. As for cars; well, here's a thought: If one's journey is such an ordeal, poor lamb, get out and use the train or, better still, go by bicycle. Benefits will be twofold in that fitness levels will improve and the more that Ebury Way and it's offshoots are used will make it that much harder for the petrolheads to make a case for making it into a road. BTW the "small tributary of the river (Colne)" is no such thing anymore. Tesco's diverted the course of this ex-tributary to build their store and now it doesn't flow under Lower high Street next to Mrs Goodfellows newsagents and Cantons boot repairers to flow back into the Colne in Oxhey Park. It flows around the back of Frogmore Cottages and joins the Colne at the back of the Saab dealers some 300 metres upstream from it's original course. IDWT (If Dotty were trusted) Honest Rog

6:57am Fri 13 Dec 13

TRT says...

Didn't miss my attention at all, Rog. It's why I commented on it. And the new hospital is to serve HH & St Albans so not middle of nowhere but middle of catchment area.
Didn't miss my attention at all, Rog. It's why I commented on it. And the new hospital is to serve HH & St Albans so not middle of nowhere but middle of catchment area. TRT

6:58am Fri 13 Dec 13

Keefer says...

jasonwatford wrote:
so where do all those parking spaces that will be lost go ???
What will you need parking spaces for when Vicarage Rd Train station opens in 2016??? Leave the car at home & save the Earth.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: so where do all those parking spaces that will be lost go ???[/p][/quote]What will you need parking spaces for when Vicarage Rd Train station opens in 2016??? Leave the car at home & save the Earth. Keefer

7:30am Fri 13 Dec 13

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

TRT wrote:
Didn't miss my attention at all, Rog. It's why I commented on it. And the new hospital is to serve HH & St Albans so not middle of nowhere but middle of catchment area.
You talk a lot of sense TRT.

The current location is ok for Watford, but for a larger catchment area other sites should have been considered. This could end up being a right nightmayor.

Dotty's got her mind set on Watford for the Hospital and redeveloping West Watford and common sense is unlikely to get in the way of building her road. I wonder if there will be ornamental bridges crossing it to soften the impact as it cuts an ugly concrete scar through Watford?
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: Didn't miss my attention at all, Rog. It's why I commented on it. And the new hospital is to serve HH & St Albans so not middle of nowhere but middle of catchment area.[/p][/quote]You talk a lot of sense TRT. The current location is ok for Watford, but for a larger catchment area other sites should have been considered. This could end up being a right nightmayor. Dotty's got her mind set on Watford for the Hospital and redeveloping West Watford and common sense is unlikely to get in the way of building her road. I wonder if there will be ornamental bridges crossing it to soften the impact as it cuts an ugly concrete scar through Watford? Phil Cox (UKIP)

9:25am Fri 13 Dec 13

Sara says...

I'm interested in all the suggestions that people should walk/cycle/use the bus to get to WGH. I'm a great fan of sustainable transport, but by its very nature a hospital is used by a lot of people who are unwell and can't walk very far.

I have taken people to hospital for chemo or radiotherapy and they have struggled to walk from being dropped off to the treatment area. I sustained a nasty ankle and foot injury in 2011 which has left me unable to walk more than 25 metres on a bad day, but don't have a Blue Badge. I'm not allowed by the surgeon to cycle and even though I live just 200 yards from a bus stop, I could not be sure I would be able to walk back coming home.

From my time in waiting rooms at WGH, I would say I am in pretty good health and walking ability compared to many patients.so please think about them when you talk about access to the hospital.
I'm interested in all the suggestions that people should walk/cycle/use the bus to get to WGH. I'm a great fan of sustainable transport, but by its very nature a hospital is used by a lot of people who are unwell and can't walk very far. I have taken people to hospital for chemo or radiotherapy and they have struggled to walk from being dropped off to the treatment area. I sustained a nasty ankle and foot injury in 2011 which has left me unable to walk more than 25 metres on a bad day, but don't have a Blue Badge. I'm not allowed by the surgeon to cycle and even though I live just 200 yards from a bus stop, I could not be sure I would be able to walk back coming home. From my time in waiting rooms at WGH, I would say I am in pretty good health and walking ability compared to many patients.so please think about them when you talk about access to the hospital. Sara

9:51am Fri 13 Dec 13

TRT says...

As for the Health Campus developers approach to cycling... have you seen the plans? The Ebury Way is set to follow its present path, doing a 90° bend down a steep hill into Riverside Park, then at the junction with Deacon's Hill, it will do a left up to the proposed new junction where you can go left into the health campus or right along the new road and to Dalton Way. But if you look at it on an aerial view, the 90° bend is about 50 yards from an old railway bridge over a branch of the Colne and 20 yards on the other side of the bridge is where the proposed cycle lane and cycle park is. So cyclists will be sent half a mile out of their way for no readily apparent reason save the cost of restoring or replacing that bridge. It's little details like this that scream at me that this Health Campus isn't a serious proposal at all, but a way of siphoning off public funds in consultation and design fees and wresting land from public ownership and placing it in the hands of profiteering developers.
As for the Health Campus developers approach to cycling... have you seen the plans? The Ebury Way is set to follow its present path, doing a 90° bend down a steep hill into Riverside Park, then at the junction with Deacon's Hill, it will do a left up to the proposed new junction where you can go left into the health campus or right along the new road and to Dalton Way. But if you look at it on an aerial view, the 90° bend is about 50 yards from an old railway bridge over a branch of the Colne and 20 yards on the other side of the bridge is where the proposed cycle lane and cycle park is. So cyclists will be sent half a mile out of their way for no readily apparent reason save the cost of restoring or replacing that bridge. It's little details like this that scream at me that this Health Campus isn't a serious proposal at all, but a way of siphoning off public funds in consultation and design fees and wresting land from public ownership and placing it in the hands of profiteering developers. TRT

1:21pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Harry Caine says...

Will they be burying Mr Thornhill in the foundations of this "new" Road?

After all when it was proposed by the last administration all those years ago he campaigned along with most of the present cabinet against it, Sharpie even publicly declared:

"OVER MY DEAD BODY will this road go through Oxhey Park"

His pants must be on fire by now, but then we all know these Fib Dems will say anything to get themselves elected
Will they be burying Mr Thornhill in the foundations of this "new" Road? After all when it was proposed by the last administration all those years ago he campaigned along with most of the present cabinet against it, Sharpie even publicly declared: "OVER MY DEAD BODY will this road go through Oxhey Park" His pants must be on fire by now, but then we all know these Fib Dems will say anything to get themselves elected Harry Caine

1:27pm Fri 13 Dec 13

1982WFC says...

Keefer wrote:
If you frequent anywhere near Watford General Hospital, a new access rd can't come soon enough .But it's not the Hospital that causes jams, it's the workforce traveling from all areas to the Croxley Business Park that gives rise to a nightmare both Morning & Evening. I would therefore venture as far as suggesting the proposals be extended along the Ebury Way, across Tolpits Lane at the junction with the Camelot round-a-bout, & through to Greenhill Cresent to reduce West Watford traffic further.

Those with selfish reasons to complain ought to consider those of us that have had to put up with this daily grind for the last 35 years+
Funny you make this point. The cycle track from the traffic lights at Tolpits Lane that runs to Greenhill Crescent was at some point going to be a road.
Take a look at an aerial map. The width of the land in between developments is exactly the width all the way along to incorporate a road similar to the stature of the Ascot Road bypass built in the 90's that would then link Tolpits Lane & the roundabout at Ascot Road. It was never constructed as the concern was too many lorries on Tolpits Lane.
[quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: If you frequent anywhere near Watford General Hospital, a new access rd can't come soon enough .But it's not the Hospital that causes jams, it's the workforce traveling from all areas to the Croxley Business Park that gives rise to a nightmare both Morning & Evening. I would therefore venture as far as suggesting the proposals be extended along the Ebury Way, across Tolpits Lane at the junction with the Camelot round-a-bout, & through to Greenhill Cresent to reduce West Watford traffic further. Those with selfish reasons to complain ought to consider those of us that have had to put up with this daily grind for the last 35 years+[/p][/quote]Funny you make this point. The cycle track from the traffic lights at Tolpits Lane that runs to Greenhill Crescent was at some point going to be a road. Take a look at an aerial map. The width of the land in between developments is exactly the width all the way along to incorporate a road similar to the stature of the Ascot Road bypass built in the 90's that would then link Tolpits Lane & the roundabout at Ascot Road. It was never constructed as the concern was too many lorries on Tolpits Lane. 1982WFC

2:45pm Fri 13 Dec 13

not a regular says...

I must admit I don’t really know the history of the health campus to any great extent, nor have the allotments or the Irish Centre done anything for me. I also haven’t looked at the proposals all that well (because I can’t find them).

But am I the only one that thinks this road is needed anyway, regardless of any future developments to the hospital? From Dalton Way to Wiggenhall Road, it would solve a lot of congestion around Bushey Arches. It could provide ample additional parking spaces depending on its width. I’m guessing that the intention is to build it closer to the river, although this doesn’t make much sense given that a road on the Northern side, near the train line, would keep the Irish Centre in place.

I’m not overly fussed about what is then presumably a bridge over the tracks to Cardiff Road. Once again, really relieving the congestion around the Vicarage Road Gyratory.

Happy to be corrected! And if there are any links to the proposals I'd love to see them.
I must admit I don’t really know the history of the health campus to any great extent, nor have the allotments or the Irish Centre done anything for me. I also haven’t looked at the proposals all that well (because I can’t find them). But am I the only one that thinks this road is needed anyway, regardless of any future developments to the hospital? From Dalton Way to Wiggenhall Road, it would solve a lot of congestion around Bushey Arches. It could provide ample additional parking spaces depending on its width. I’m guessing that the intention is to build it closer to the river, although this doesn’t make much sense given that a road on the Northern side, near the train line, would keep the Irish Centre in place. I’m not overly fussed about what is then presumably a bridge over the tracks to Cardiff Road. Once again, really relieving the congestion around the Vicarage Road Gyratory. Happy to be corrected! And if there are any links to the proposals I'd love to see them. not a regular

3:10pm Fri 13 Dec 13

TRT says...

The plan was to have the road running along the bottom of the embankment. It was unclear if there was enough clearance with the pylon to allow this with the frequent lay-by layout that they planned to allow unfettered priority emergency ambulance access. To create this access road another way, you could have burrowed under the DC line between Century retail park and the emergence of the old railway bridge. This affects only an old junk yard, and the retail park (obviously), but would have cost much more, plus it would have broken the one way system round Dalton Way. It's my feeling that they should bridge the Colne again at Lower High Street next to the BMW garage to lessen the ferocious bend there, removing the grass verge for a bus layby, widening that portion of road to three lanes and using both lanes over the existing bridge for South bound traffic to try to free up Waterfields way for emergency vehicles. That's the fire station and ambulance routes both emptying onto one of the most congested bits of road in Hertfordshire. Great planning, guys.
The plan was to have the road running along the bottom of the embankment. It was unclear if there was enough clearance with the pylon to allow this with the frequent lay-by layout that they planned to allow unfettered priority emergency ambulance access. To create this access road another way, you could have burrowed under the DC line between Century retail park and the emergence of the old railway bridge. This affects only an old junk yard, and the retail park (obviously), but would have cost much more, plus it would have broken the one way system round Dalton Way. It's my feeling that they should bridge the Colne again at Lower High Street next to the BMW garage to lessen the ferocious bend there, removing the grass verge for a bus layby, widening that portion of road to three lanes and using both lanes over the existing bridge for South bound traffic to try to free up Waterfields way for emergency vehicles. That's the fire station and ambulance routes both emptying onto one of the most congested bits of road in Hertfordshire. Great planning, guys. TRT

3:11pm Fri 13 Dec 13

TRT says...

And you can google Watford Health Campus to find the plans etc.
And you can google Watford Health Campus to find the plans etc. TRT

3:31pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Keefer says...

1982WFC wrote:
Keefer wrote:
If you frequent anywhere near Watford General Hospital, a new access rd can't come soon enough .But it's not the Hospital that causes jams, it's the workforce traveling from all areas to the Croxley Business Park that gives rise to a nightmare both Morning & Evening. I would therefore venture as far as suggesting the proposals be extended along the Ebury Way, across Tolpits Lane at the junction with the Camelot round-a-bout, & through to Greenhill Cresent to reduce West Watford traffic further.

Those with selfish reasons to complain ought to consider those of us that have had to put up with this daily grind for the last 35 years+
Funny you make this point. The cycle track from the traffic lights at Tolpits Lane that runs to Greenhill Crescent was at some point going to be a road.
Take a look at an aerial map. The width of the land in between developments is exactly the width all the way along to incorporate a road similar to the stature of the Ascot Road bypass built in the 90's that would then link Tolpits Lane & the roundabout at Ascot Road. It was never constructed as the concern was too many lorries on Tolpits Lane.
I make the point because, as I've already said, I've lived in the area for over 35 years and have seen first hand all of the developments take place... Yes, the round-a-bout beside Camelot has a spur that was supposed to be for the road I mentioned, and the top of Greenhil Cresent has a spur that stops short of the Camelot campus! but said road was never constructed - instead we got a cycle route hardly anybody uses for cycling. The Ebury Way used to be a Railway line, it wasn't always a cycle route and had a much more purposeful existence, I say give it back to motrised transport! reducing\minimising traffic through West Watford & thus promoting better regional health with cleaner air.

We've needed a by-pass down this side of town for years! we have only two roads that carry traffic from West to Central, every day they're grid-locked and it's only going to get worse for the Hospital Patrons & the area in general when the New Station opens without a bypass in place.

The treehuggers need to go hug the trees in their own parishes and stop dictating to others how their region should be managed.
[quote][p][bold]1982WFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: If you frequent anywhere near Watford General Hospital, a new access rd can't come soon enough .But it's not the Hospital that causes jams, it's the workforce traveling from all areas to the Croxley Business Park that gives rise to a nightmare both Morning & Evening. I would therefore venture as far as suggesting the proposals be extended along the Ebury Way, across Tolpits Lane at the junction with the Camelot round-a-bout, & through to Greenhill Cresent to reduce West Watford traffic further. Those with selfish reasons to complain ought to consider those of us that have had to put up with this daily grind for the last 35 years+[/p][/quote]Funny you make this point. The cycle track from the traffic lights at Tolpits Lane that runs to Greenhill Crescent was at some point going to be a road. Take a look at an aerial map. The width of the land in between developments is exactly the width all the way along to incorporate a road similar to the stature of the Ascot Road bypass built in the 90's that would then link Tolpits Lane & the roundabout at Ascot Road. It was never constructed as the concern was too many lorries on Tolpits Lane.[/p][/quote]I make the point because, as I've already said, I've lived in the area for over 35 years and have seen first hand all of the developments take place... Yes, the round-a-bout beside Camelot has a spur that was supposed to be for the road I mentioned, and the top of Greenhil Cresent has a spur that stops short of the Camelot campus! but said road was never constructed - instead we got a cycle route hardly anybody uses for cycling. The Ebury Way used to be a Railway line, it wasn't always a cycle route and had a much more purposeful existence, I say give it back to motrised transport! reducing\minimising traffic through West Watford & thus promoting better regional health with cleaner air. We've needed a by-pass down this side of town for years! we have only two roads that carry traffic from West to Central, every day they're grid-locked and it's only going to get worse for the Hospital Patrons & the area in general when the New Station opens without a bypass in place. The treehuggers need to go hug the trees in their own parishes and stop dictating to others how their region should be managed. Keefer

3:56pm Fri 13 Dec 13

not a regular says...

Well I've had a brief look at the plans and I still think an additional relief road between Wiggenhall Road and Dalton Way is a good idea. Bear in mind that much of the congestion on that one-way system comes from traffic heading to Bushey Arches from Eastbury Road, and likewise then returning that way from Tesco/M1. The congestion near the Saab Garage is mostly, from my minimal observations, due to people trying to cut in from the right turn lane at the last moment. A way out of town via Dalton Way would mean a lot of that traffic bypasses Bushey Arches all together.

I can't see how building next to a river is better than building next to a long standing viaduct, in terms of additional excavation, siltier soil and general pollution into the water. But I guess it's all down to the location of the new road to the west of Wiggenhall Road. I hate the idea of that proposed junction on Dalton Way being on the bend where the wide berth is probably the only thing keeping accident stats low.

I agree with you regarding the other 'ferocious bend' by the way, again the only reason there aren't more accidents are due to it being three lanes after the turn. Economically though, I'm not entirely sure extending that bridge is worth it.

Still. It's a good job we're not decision makers, eh!
Well I've had a brief look at the plans and I still think an additional relief road between Wiggenhall Road and Dalton Way is a good idea. Bear in mind that much of the congestion on that one-way system comes from traffic heading to Bushey Arches from Eastbury Road, and likewise then returning that way from Tesco/M1. The congestion near the Saab Garage is mostly, from my minimal observations, due to people trying to cut in from the right turn lane at the last moment. A way out of town via Dalton Way would mean a lot of that traffic bypasses Bushey Arches all together. I can't see how building next to a river is better than building next to a long standing viaduct, in terms of additional excavation, siltier soil and general pollution into the water. But I guess it's all down to the location of the new road to the west of Wiggenhall Road. I hate the idea of that proposed junction on Dalton Way being on the bend where the wide berth is probably the only thing keeping accident stats low. I agree with you regarding the other 'ferocious bend' by the way, again the only reason there aren't more accidents are due to it being three lanes after the turn. Economically though, I'm not entirely sure extending that bridge is worth it. Still. It's a good job we're not decision makers, eh! not a regular

4:08pm Fri 13 Dec 13

TRT says...

Erm... did you read the proposals? There will be no right or left turn for motor vehicles on Dorothy Way at the junction with Wiggenhall Road, except for emergency vehicles of course. This is NOT a Bushey Arches relief road and it was very clear from the outset that this was the case. This is a hospital access road only.

Now if they built from the hospital first, down to Wiggenhall Road and left the playing fields alone for the time being as a sort of "second phase"... that would alleviate ambulance access and construction traffic access.

Putting in a second bridge to the West of the existing bridge, where that tree came down and killed that poor chap, is pretty much the only way to alleviate that pinch point.There's too much gas infrastructure to the East. The wide bend on Dalton Way, near the B&Q entrance, is a death trap. Seen half a dozen cars come off the road there in the last two years - it's an optical illusion; the bend doesn't look like it is steepening but it is quite a lot - the reverse of usual road construction. It really should be two way along there to spoil the illusion of it being some kind of race track.
Erm... did you read the proposals? There will be no right or left turn for motor vehicles on Dorothy Way at the junction with Wiggenhall Road, except for emergency vehicles of course. This is NOT a Bushey Arches relief road and it was very clear from the outset that this was the case. This is a hospital access road only. Now if they built from the hospital first, down to Wiggenhall Road and left the playing fields alone for the time being as a sort of "second phase"... that would alleviate ambulance access and construction traffic access. Putting in a second bridge to the West of the existing bridge, where that tree came down and killed that poor chap, is pretty much the only way to alleviate that pinch point.There's too much gas infrastructure to the East. The wide bend on Dalton Way, near the B&Q entrance, is a death trap. Seen half a dozen cars come off the road there in the last two years - it's an optical illusion; the bend doesn't look like it is steepening but it is quite a lot - the reverse of usual road construction. It really should be two way along there to spoil the illusion of it being some kind of race track. TRT

4:20pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Keefer says...

TRT wrote:
Erm... did you read the proposals? There will be no right or left turn for motor vehicles on Dorothy Way at the junction with Wiggenhall Road, except for emergency vehicles of course. This is NOT a Bushey Arches relief road and it was very clear from the outset that this was the case. This is a hospital access road only.

Now if they built from the hospital first, down to Wiggenhall Road and left the playing fields alone for the time being as a sort of "second phase"... that would alleviate ambulance access and construction traffic access.

Putting in a second bridge to the West of the existing bridge, where that tree came down and killed that poor chap, is pretty much the only way to alleviate that pinch point.There's too much gas infrastructure to the East. The wide bend on Dalton Way, near the B&Q entrance, is a death trap. Seen half a dozen cars come off the road there in the last two years - it's an optical illusion; the bend doesn't look like it is steepening but it is quite a lot - the reverse of usual road construction. It really should be two way along there to spoil the illusion of it being some kind of race track.
The bend in Dalton Way was constructed with the intention of building the bypass to Tolpits Lane via the former Waste Transfer station in Wiggenhall Rd, but plans were shelved.

All this "new" proposal does is attribute its need to the Hospital Campus instead of the Industrial areas of West Watford.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: Erm... did you read the proposals? There will be no right or left turn for motor vehicles on Dorothy Way at the junction with Wiggenhall Road, except for emergency vehicles of course. This is NOT a Bushey Arches relief road and it was very clear from the outset that this was the case. This is a hospital access road only. Now if they built from the hospital first, down to Wiggenhall Road and left the playing fields alone for the time being as a sort of "second phase"... that would alleviate ambulance access and construction traffic access. Putting in a second bridge to the West of the existing bridge, where that tree came down and killed that poor chap, is pretty much the only way to alleviate that pinch point.There's too much gas infrastructure to the East. The wide bend on Dalton Way, near the B&Q entrance, is a death trap. Seen half a dozen cars come off the road there in the last two years - it's an optical illusion; the bend doesn't look like it is steepening but it is quite a lot - the reverse of usual road construction. It really should be two way along there to spoil the illusion of it being some kind of race track.[/p][/quote]The bend in Dalton Way was constructed with the intention of building the bypass to Tolpits Lane via the former Waste Transfer station in Wiggenhall Rd, but plans were shelved. All this "new" proposal does is attribute its need to the Hospital Campus instead of the Industrial areas of West Watford. Keefer

4:32pm Fri 13 Dec 13

TRT says...

Thank God they were shelved! That's on the other side and would have destroyed the park totally.
Thank God they were shelved! That's on the other side and would have destroyed the park totally. TRT

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