Appeal launched against Three Rivers District Council's refusal of gipsy caravan site in Oxhey Lane, Carpenders Park

An appeal has been launched against Three Rivers District Council's decision to refuse a 12-caravan gipsy site in a Green Belt field in Carpenders Park.

The application to convert existing stables and build a residential caravan site for six gipsy families, each with two caravans, in Green Acres, was thrown out by district councillors at a planning meeting earlier this year.

An appeal has been submitted to the Secretary of State for Environment by Peter Daley to override the council’s decision not to allow the Oxhey Lane development.

The proposals were rejected by politicians in April on the grounds that: "The change of use of the land to create six gipsy pitches constitutes inappropriate development in the Metropolitan Green Belt, which by definition is harmful.

"The harm to the Metropolitan Green Belt is exacerbated by reason of the encroachment into the surrounding fields for the siting of caravans, with associated urbanising development which fails to preserve the openness and rural character of the Metropolitan Green Belt.

"The council accepts that there is a significant unmet need and it cannot demonstrate a five year supply of deliverable gipsy and traveller sites but considers that this need does not outweigh the harm to the Metropolitan Green Belt.

"Therefore, no very special circumstances exist to justify the grant of planning permission."

A total of 1,195 people signed a petition opposing the application before it was heard at the council's planning committee.

In a letter put forward by Georgina Ford, the secretary of Carpenders Park Residents Association, she explained that: "The site is the last bit of Green Belt land separating Carpenders Park from Hatch End and therefore is of great importance to the residents marking the boundary between Hertfordshire and London.

"The residents would be opposed to any application to build or construct residential accommodation on this site regardless of the applicant."

Representations were also made by Watford Rural Parish Council who, in a letter submitted to the planning committee, explained that: "With six families on the site there will at the very minimum be 12 cars leaving and entering the site everyday, several times a day, this does not include the lorries and vans that will be used for work, thus creating a lot more traffic on this stretch of busy of road."

The appeal will be decided by an informal hearing, the date of which is yet to be determined.

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6:14pm Mon 23 Dec 13

John Howard Norfolk says...

I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.
I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me. John Howard Norfolk

7:45pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Sara says...

John Howard Norfolk wrote:
I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.
I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site.
[quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.[/p][/quote]I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site. Sara

10:34pm Mon 23 Dec 13

doggydo says...

Why site them near Carpenders Park at all? There are far more suitable potential sites down next to Cassiobury or Nascot Wood. There are even better ones down near Moor Park and Northwood, near Merchant Taylors for instance. Chorleywood is nicely out of the way, why not there? Any ideas?
Why site them near Carpenders Park at all? There are far more suitable potential sites down next to Cassiobury or Nascot Wood. There are even better ones down near Moor Park and Northwood, near Merchant Taylors for instance. Chorleywood is nicely out of the way, why not there? Any ideas? doggydo

1:14am Tue 24 Dec 13

Honest Rog says...

Sara wrote:
John Howard Norfolk wrote:
I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.
I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site.
Sara. Where in Little Oxhey Lane would this site be? I presume that it's in Little Oxhey Lane because of the references to "last bit of Green Belt between Carpenders Park and Hatch End".
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.[/p][/quote]I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site.[/p][/quote]Sara. Where in Little Oxhey Lane would this site be? I presume that it's in Little Oxhey Lane because of the references to "last bit of Green Belt between Carpenders Park and Hatch End". Honest Rog

8:50am Tue 24 Dec 13

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

Aren't the Tories and LibDems eyeing up the green belt for their own developments?

The green belt needs protecting from all and particularly from those who are tasked with protecting it.
Aren't the Tories and LibDems eyeing up the green belt for their own developments? The green belt needs protecting from all and particularly from those who are tasked with protecting it. Phil Cox (UKIP)

12:05pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Sara says...

doggydo wrote:
Why site them near Carpenders Park at all? There are far more suitable potential sites down next to Cassiobury or Nascot Wood. There are even better ones down near Moor Park and Northwood, near Merchant Taylors for instance. Chorleywood is nicely out of the way, why not there? Any ideas?
It is not a question of where gypsies are to be 'sited'. It is where they buy land and submit a planning application.

And yes, I'm answering your unwritten question in the same way that you asked it...
[quote][p][bold]doggydo[/bold] wrote: Why site them near Carpenders Park at all? There are far more suitable potential sites down next to Cassiobury or Nascot Wood. There are even better ones down near Moor Park and Northwood, near Merchant Taylors for instance. Chorleywood is nicely out of the way, why not there? Any ideas?[/p][/quote]It is not a question of where gypsies are to be 'sited'. It is where they buy land and submit a planning application. And yes, I'm answering your unwritten question in the same way that you asked it... Sara

12:09pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Sara says...

Honest Rog wrote:
Sara wrote:
John Howard Norfolk wrote:
I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.
I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site.
Sara. Where in Little Oxhey Lane would this site be? I presume that it's in Little Oxhey Lane because of the references to "last bit of Green Belt between Carpenders Park and Hatch End".
The site is in Oxhey Lane, immediately south of the junction with Little Oxhey Lane.
[quote][p][bold]Honest Rog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.[/p][/quote]I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site.[/p][/quote]Sara. Where in Little Oxhey Lane would this site be? I presume that it's in Little Oxhey Lane because of the references to "last bit of Green Belt between Carpenders Park and Hatch End".[/p][/quote]The site is in Oxhey Lane, immediately south of the junction with Little Oxhey Lane. Sara

1:38pm Tue 24 Dec 13

John Howard Norfolk says...

Sara wrote:
Honest Rog wrote:
Sara wrote:
John Howard Norfolk wrote:
I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.
I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site.
Sara. Where in Little Oxhey Lane would this site be? I presume that it's in Little Oxhey Lane because of the references to "last bit of Green Belt between Carpenders Park and Hatch End".
The site is in Oxhey Lane, immediately south of the junction with Little Oxhey Lane.
Ahh - I know this field. Its hardly a virgin farm field.
In general the difficulty when applications are made after traditional farming has long since ceased is that we see neglect followed by parking of vehicles and trailers, sometimes horseboxes, and even spreading of hard core to create "temporary hardstanding".
Perhaps our council officers and councillors can examine the field to assess its worth for restoration to traditional farming?
This area used to be wonderful countryside in the 1950's - as a boy I can remember camping in Mr Brazier's orchard the other side of the road hald a mile further towards Watford.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Honest Rog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: I think there is a bit of history to both the use and misuse of land here so the appeal does not surprise me.[/p][/quote]I think you are talking about a completely different site in Little Oxhey Lane, known as The Paddocks, not this site.[/p][/quote]Sara. Where in Little Oxhey Lane would this site be? I presume that it's in Little Oxhey Lane because of the references to "last bit of Green Belt between Carpenders Park and Hatch End".[/p][/quote]The site is in Oxhey Lane, immediately south of the junction with Little Oxhey Lane.[/p][/quote]Ahh - I know this field. Its hardly a virgin farm field. In general the difficulty when applications are made after traditional farming has long since ceased is that we see neglect followed by parking of vehicles and trailers, sometimes horseboxes, and even spreading of hard core to create "temporary hardstanding". Perhaps our council officers and councillors can examine the field to assess its worth for restoration to traditional farming? This area used to be wonderful countryside in the 1950's - as a boy I can remember camping in Mr Brazier's orchard the other side of the road hald a mile further towards Watford. John Howard Norfolk

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