West Hertfordshire Hospitals NHS Trust executive not 'absolutely certain' main hospital will remain in Watford

Trust 'not in position to redevelop any hospital buildings' at Watford General

Trust 'not in position to redevelop any hospital buildings' at Watford General

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It is not "absolutely certain" the main hospital for west Hertfordshire will remain in Watford, according to a senior health executive.

Kyle McClelland, Associate Director for Strategic Developments at West Hertfordshire Hospitals NHS Trust, said its bosses were looking at "business cases" for "all sorts of other options" as part of a forthcoming reorganisation across its three sites.

At a meeting with residents in Bushey last night, Mr McClelland also said the trust was "not in a position at the moment to redevelop any hospital buildings" at Watford General Hospital.

His comments came after politicians pressed him about plans to redevelop Watford General as part of the health campus scheme.

During the meeting Hertsmere Mayor Paul Morris asked if the health trust was committed to keeping the main hospital at Watford.

Mr McClelland responded: "From where I am, yes. I don’t know whether anything else is happening. There are business cases we will need to look at and all sorts of other options that we need to look at so we can rule them out. I can’t give you an absolutely certain answer.

"No one can. We might get a billionaire who comes who tells us they are building a brand new hospital but it’s going to have to be somewhere else. I cannot give an absolute. All of our efforts are around the Watford site."

When pressed for more detail Mr McClelland added: "The other hospital sites are subject to clinical strategy which will be discussed at the trust board in February.

"I don’t know that the decision will be made then."

The hospital trust is currently drawing up a new clinical strategy, which will decide future health services across its three sites in Watford, St Albans and Hemel Hempstead.

However last week Samantha Jones, the trust’s chief executive, said it may not be finalised for up to 18 months.

Plans are currently in train for a health campus scheme to redevelop land around Watford General with 700 new homes and new health facilities.

After a slideshow at the meeting last night, Deputy Mayor of Hertsmere Carey Keates asked: "We don’t seem to be hearing an awful lot about actual hospital buildings. Have we got the cart before horses here? I thought the whole idea was to build a new hospital."

Mr McClelland responded: "The hospital trust is not in a position at the moment to redevelop any hospital buildings. We haven’t got the funds. The campus was about the facilities around the hospital.

"The hospital itself always had to redevelop on its own. We have always had to do that.

"Currently the hospital trust is not in a position to be developing our facilities. We don’t have the permission to do it. We’ve got to write the business cases and secure funding from the department of health.

"It would have been wonderful to develop the hospital first but where we’ve got to work with where we are. And the current economic reality and current NHS funding and the means of delivering new hospitals this is where we are.

"The chief exec of the trust remains absolutely committed to providing new hospital facilities but we have to make it happen first. We can’t hold off the rest of the development around the hospital, partly because the acute admissions unit is a temporary building and we only got temporary planning permission because of the road we are planning to build."

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5:09pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Cuetip says...

The word trust appears across so many organisations that in the interests of health, it needs to be retired before it suffers from further abuse.
The word trust appears across so many organisations that in the interests of health, it needs to be retired before it suffers from further abuse. Cuetip
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5:24pm Wed 29 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

We recently heard that the proposed developments will already take 20 years. I and I suspect many others assumed that the changes included modernisation of the hospital itself. Now that appears to be totally uncertain.

What everyone wants to know is if Watford is going to end up with a modern hospital fit to look after the health and needs residents deep into the 21st century. That should be of primary concern, not whether there is a nice, pretty campus surrounding the buildings.

Already discussions and works have gone on and on for years, yet it now seems we still do not have a definitive final target. This saga has turned into a real dog's breakfast and it's long overdue that this was all sorted out. What are these people being paid for?
We recently heard that the proposed developments will already take 20 years. I and I suspect many others assumed that the changes included modernisation of the hospital itself. Now that appears to be totally uncertain. What everyone wants to know is if Watford is going to end up with a modern hospital fit to look after the health and needs residents deep into the 21st century. That should be of primary concern, not whether there is a nice, pretty campus surrounding the buildings. Already discussions and works have gone on and on for years, yet it now seems we still do not have a definitive final target. This saga has turned into a real dog's breakfast and it's long overdue that this was all sorted out. What are these people being paid for? D_Penn
  • Score: 15

5:41pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Harry Caine says...

At least you know where you stood with Claire Ward - she worked very hard lobbying the Government for the retention of Watford A&E and more in tandem with support for the many members of WATCH

Still, she's got her life back now far from all the malcontents baying for blood all day. Whist with Rich Harrington and Downhill Dotty that's all water off a ducks back they don't really take notice of anyone not on message with their welfare
At least you know where you stood with Claire Ward - she worked very hard lobbying the Government for the retention of Watford A&E and more in tandem with support for the many members of WATCH Still, she's got her life back now far from all the malcontents baying for blood all day. Whist with Rich Harrington and Downhill Dotty that's all water off a ducks back they don't really take notice of anyone not on message with their welfare Harry Caine
  • Score: 11

6:20pm Wed 29 Jan 14

WanderingDynamo says...

So, regardless of any plans currently on the table what we would like anyone in a position to ask those currently running this shambles is;
Will we have a hospital in Watford or not? Yes or no. No waffle, yes or no.

Journalists, opposition poliiticians, public groups please feel free to get some answers.

Oh, by the way, if you're a part of a group who have been or are currently milking this situation for any reason whatsoever then let it be known your behaviour is disgusting. Wasting public money on this while the country scrimps & saves is nothing short of shameful.

Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting.
So, regardless of any plans currently on the table what we would like anyone in a position to ask those currently running this shambles is; Will we have a hospital in Watford or not? Yes or no. No waffle, yes or no. Journalists, opposition poliiticians, public groups please feel free to get some answers. Oh, by the way, if you're a part of a group who have been or are currently milking this situation for any reason whatsoever then let it be known your behaviour is disgusting. Wasting public money on this while the country scrimps & saves is nothing short of shameful. Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting. WanderingDynamo
  • Score: 11

7:30pm Wed 29 Jan 14

TRT says...

WanderingDynamo wrote:
So, regardless of any plans currently on the table what we would like anyone in a position to ask those currently running this shambles is;
Will we have a hospital in Watford or not? Yes or no. No waffle, yes or no.

Journalists, opposition poliiticians, public groups please feel free to get some answers.

Oh, by the way, if you're a part of a group who have been or are currently milking this situation for any reason whatsoever then let it be known your behaviour is disgusting. Wasting public money on this while the country scrimps & saves is nothing short of shameful.

Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting.
The answer is a resounding "Yes", of course. Where the politics comes is in the "small print".
"Of some sort. Local clinics to serve the local community. A maternity ward, a sexual health clinic or two, geriatrics..."
There will always be a hospital of some sort in Watford, St. Albans and Hemel. But a general hospital? A 24 hour A&E? Specific surgical wards? Diagnostic facilities such as MRI, PET, CAT, SQUID, EEG? Ophthalmic surgery? SCBU? Cardiac ward? Haematology?
Who knows, eh? All I can say is that as time goes on more and more money will be micturated away on consultancy fees, retainer fees, project managers, public consultation exercises, and more and more land will be taken for housing as the developers costs mount...
They should basically write the current expense off and go back to square one without ripping up parks, allotments etc. When the NHS's position is clear, THEN you can start promising people a new hospital or not. Until that day, any more promises of jobs and hospitals is just sweetening the public up to disguise the fact that there's a bunch of developers making a profit out of the land cramming more and more housing into the 2nd densest ward in the whole of Hertfordshire (it will only take 200 more households to take Callowland's crown).
It's the wrong location for a mega hospital anyway. They really do need to look at the big picture again.
And as for Dotty saying there's an overwhelmingly positive response to the consultation exercise... well there would be if you only open the public consultation for a few hours, invite your mates and the developers to it and hide it somewhere people are unlikely to go. Why not in the hospital itself? In the Harlequin? In ASDA? Tesco's community space is for hire. Or at the allotment shops? that would go down well. Even the library would have been better than the football club. OK. So it is going to be at the town hall too. When lots of people are actually at work.
Shambles. Disgusting. Corrupt. Deceitful.
[quote][p][bold]WanderingDynamo[/bold] wrote: So, regardless of any plans currently on the table what we would like anyone in a position to ask those currently running this shambles is; Will we have a hospital in Watford or not? Yes or no. No waffle, yes or no. Journalists, opposition poliiticians, public groups please feel free to get some answers. Oh, by the way, if you're a part of a group who have been or are currently milking this situation for any reason whatsoever then let it be known your behaviour is disgusting. Wasting public money on this while the country scrimps & saves is nothing short of shameful. Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting.[/p][/quote]The answer is a resounding "Yes", of course. Where the politics comes is in the "small print". "Of some sort. Local clinics to serve the local community. A maternity ward, a sexual health clinic or two, geriatrics..." There will always be a hospital of some sort in Watford, St. Albans and Hemel. But a general hospital? A 24 hour A&E? Specific surgical wards? Diagnostic facilities such as MRI, PET, CAT, SQUID, EEG? Ophthalmic surgery? SCBU? Cardiac ward? Haematology? Who knows, eh? All I can say is that as time goes on more and more money will be micturated away on consultancy fees, retainer fees, project managers, public consultation exercises, and more and more land will be taken for housing as the developers costs mount... They should basically write the current expense off and go back to square one without ripping up parks, allotments etc. When the NHS's position is clear, THEN you can start promising people a new hospital or not. Until that day, any more promises of jobs and hospitals is just sweetening the public up to disguise the fact that there's a bunch of developers making a profit out of the land cramming more and more housing into the 2nd densest ward in the whole of Hertfordshire (it will only take 200 more households to take Callowland's crown). It's the wrong location for a mega hospital anyway. They really do need to look at the big picture again. And as for Dotty saying there's an overwhelmingly positive response to the consultation exercise... well there would be if you only open the public consultation for a few hours, invite your mates and the developers to it and hide it somewhere people are unlikely to go. Why not in the hospital itself? In the Harlequin? In ASDA? Tesco's community space is for hire. Or at the allotment shops? that would go down well. Even the library would have been better than the football club. OK. So it is going to be at the town hall too. When lots of people are actually at work. Shambles. Disgusting. Corrupt. Deceitful. TRT
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9:19pm Wed 29 Jan 14

crazyfrog says...

What the hell is going on here? So what is it the developers are building then that they also want permission to build over the alotment for? If it isn't hospital buildings? Something's wrong here.
What the hell is going on here? So what is it the developers are building then that they also want permission to build over the alotment for? If it isn't hospital buildings? Something's wrong here. crazyfrog
  • Score: 16

9:54pm Wed 29 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Talk of Billionaires etc
This is the NHS not a football club!!!!
really clear and unambiguous that we are talking about Privatisation of NHS.
The hospital will be two tier private and public and we are all being taken for a ride.
Talk of Billionaires etc This is the NHS not a football club!!!! really clear and unambiguous that we are talking about Privatisation of NHS. The hospital will be two tier private and public and we are all being taken for a ride. dontknowynot
  • Score: 8

10:11pm Wed 29 Jan 14

gusgreen says...

Having written to daft Dotty re the "Health" campus and having had a very concerning reply to all the points made I thought you would all be interested in one point she made and I copy from her reply

"DUE TO THE CURRENT SITUATION AT THE HOSPITAL , THEY ARE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISAGED WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN. THIS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A REGENERATION SCHEME WHICH INCLUDES HOSPITAL PROVISION."

Note the last sentence and ask yourself how many lies have been spun about this "HEALTH" campus.

You know the old adage "How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips move!!!!
Having written to daft Dotty re the "Health" campus and having had a very concerning reply to all the points made I thought you would all be interested in one point she made and I copy from her reply "DUE TO THE CURRENT SITUATION AT THE HOSPITAL , THEY ARE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISAGED WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN. THIS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A REGENERATION SCHEME WHICH INCLUDES HOSPITAL PROVISION." Note the last sentence and ask yourself how many lies have been spun about this "HEALTH" campus. You know the old adage "How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips move!!!! gusgreen
  • Score: 11

10:34pm Wed 29 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

gusgreen wrote:
Having written to daft Dotty re the "Health" campus and having had a very concerning reply to all the points made I thought you would all be interested in one point she made and I copy from her reply

"DUE TO THE CURRENT SITUATION AT THE HOSPITAL , THEY ARE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISAGED WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN. THIS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A REGENERATION SCHEME WHICH INCLUDES HOSPITAL PROVISION."

Note the last sentence and ask yourself how many lies have been spun about this "HEALTH" campus.

You know the old adage "How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips move!!!!
umm things to get upset about the continuing reference to Business,commercial consideration,This is all about money and nothing to do with health, we are going down the road of private provision and a two rier health system here.
Any new health facilities will likely be set up to earn the trust valuable private income at the expense of Local services.
That and the omnipresent threat of the Gov paying private providers loads of OUR money to take it of their hands
[quote][p][bold]gusgreen[/bold] wrote: Having written to daft Dotty re the "Health" campus and having had a very concerning reply to all the points made I thought you would all be interested in one point she made and I copy from her reply "DUE TO THE CURRENT SITUATION AT THE HOSPITAL , THEY ARE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISAGED WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN. THIS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A REGENERATION SCHEME WHICH INCLUDES HOSPITAL PROVISION." Note the last sentence and ask yourself how many lies have been spun about this "HEALTH" campus. You know the old adage "How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips move!!!![/p][/quote]umm things to get upset about the continuing reference to Business,commercial consideration,This is all about money and nothing to do with health, we are going down the road of private provision and a two rier health system here. Any new health facilities will likely be set up to earn the trust valuable private income at the expense of Local services. That and the omnipresent threat of the Gov paying private providers loads of OUR money to take it of their hands dontknowynot
  • Score: 8

12:11am Thu 30 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

"WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN"

Realise their plans?? The Trust has effectively confirmed that there isn't a plan and may not be one for another 18 months!

With the degree of uncertainty shown by the Trust, that period may extend on and on for goodness knows how long. Indeed, those of us with experience in such mattters will detect from the language Mr McClelland has used that he thinks something very unpleasant might already be blowing a cold wind and that the ground had better begin being prepared in case bad news has to be delivered..

That being the case, carrying on the campus development is an absolute nonsense. To suggest leaving 'flexibility' for the hospital when it is clear that nobody has a clue what will now happen to Watford General is to potentially waste millions on a white elephant scheme. You cannot just wave your arms and say we will build in sensible flexibility when you have no idea if the hospital is going to need to treble in size or contract by half. It is utterly stupid. Even a half-wit would realise that the hospital's requirements must be determined first and then you sort out the logistics around it.

What is now needed is an immediate enquiry into how this ridiculous situation was allowed to come about, because it is obvious that the original strategic plan now makes no sense. We need a new body overseeing the complete job in conjunction with the Trust rather than doing half, crossing fingers and hoping for the best.

The health campus development needs to be put on indefinite hold until the Trust make it absolutely clear what the requirements are going to be for the hospital and confirm that the funding is in place. Then and only then should money be spent and the campus be built. That is the plain common sense approach.
"WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN" Realise their plans?? The Trust has effectively confirmed that there isn't a plan and may not be one for another 18 months! With the degree of uncertainty shown by the Trust, that period may extend on and on for goodness knows how long. Indeed, those of us with experience in such mattters will detect from the language Mr McClelland has used that he thinks something very unpleasant might already be blowing a cold wind and that the ground had better begin being prepared in case bad news has to be delivered.. That being the case, carrying on the campus development is an absolute nonsense. To suggest leaving 'flexibility' for the hospital when it is clear that nobody has a clue what will now happen to Watford General is to potentially waste millions on a white elephant scheme. You cannot just wave your arms and say we will build in sensible flexibility when you have no idea if the hospital is going to need to treble in size or contract by half. It is utterly stupid. Even a half-wit would realise that the hospital's requirements must be determined first and then you sort out the logistics around it. What is now needed is an immediate enquiry into how this ridiculous situation was allowed to come about, because it is obvious that the original strategic plan now makes no sense. We need a new body overseeing the complete job in conjunction with the Trust rather than doing half, crossing fingers and hoping for the best. The health campus development needs to be put on indefinite hold until the Trust make it absolutely clear what the requirements are going to be for the hospital and confirm that the funding is in place. Then and only then should money be spent and the campus be built. That is the plain common sense approach. D_Penn
  • Score: 8

7:02am Thu 30 Jan 14

Andrew1963 says...

I fear the timing here. 18 months to decide what to do takes you to the 2015 General Election. That puts the whole thing off until a new government is in place. By then the house builders will be sizing up the hospital. Hemel is already a mothballed site it could be sold off quickly to raise some cash for Watford. At the end of the day, if you need in patient treatment you want the best technology and the best doctors. The location and buildings are a side issue. From Watford junction it is as quick to get to the royal free at Hampstead as it is to get to Hemel, but I know which one I would choose for treatment, the Royal Free every time.
I fear the timing here. 18 months to decide what to do takes you to the 2015 General Election. That puts the whole thing off until a new government is in place. By then the house builders will be sizing up the hospital. Hemel is already a mothballed site it could be sold off quickly to raise some cash for Watford. At the end of the day, if you need in patient treatment you want the best technology and the best doctors. The location and buildings are a side issue. From Watford junction it is as quick to get to the royal free at Hampstead as it is to get to Hemel, but I know which one I would choose for treatment, the Royal Free every time. Andrew1963
  • Score: 4

7:06am Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

gusgreen wrote:
Having written to daft Dotty re the "Health" campus and having had a very concerning reply to all the points made I thought you would all be interested in one point she made and I copy from her reply

"DUE TO THE CURRENT SITUATION AT THE HOSPITAL , THEY ARE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISAGED WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN. THIS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A REGENERATION SCHEME WHICH INCLUDES HOSPITAL PROVISION."

Note the last sentence and ask yourself how many lies have been spun about this "HEALTH" campus.

You know the old adage "How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips move!!!!
So, anyone who objects to the allotments being destroyed for housing is objecting to a "Regeneration scheme" and not objecting to a new hospital after all. I'm glad that LibDem lie has now been nailed. Very well done Gus.

I cannot now see a single justification for building houses on the allotments site, it is just willful vandalism on the part of the council. I attended the meeting and only the LibDems (all of them I believe, without exception) voted for building over the allotments, all non-LibDems voted against.

The LibDems cannot be trusted to tell the truth to the residents of Watford, portraying this as hospital first, development second "To pay for it" whereas in fact is is and always has been "just another development scheme".

Shame on the LibDems for lying, shame on the LibDems for taking the electorate for fools.

We are holding our public meeting tonight (7:15) where you can find out exactly what UKIP intend to do about this development and the Allotments. Come along. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, Watford.
[quote][p][bold]gusgreen[/bold] wrote: Having written to daft Dotty re the "Health" campus and having had a very concerning reply to all the points made I thought you would all be interested in one point she made and I copy from her reply "DUE TO THE CURRENT SITUATION AT THE HOSPITAL , THEY ARE IN A WORSE POSITION THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISAGED WE HAVE DECOUPLED THEIR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REGENERATION OF THE HUGE 26 HECTARE DERELICT SITE WHILST LEAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE HOSPITAL; TO REALISE THEIR PLANS WHEN THEY CAN. THIS IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A REGENERATION SCHEME WHICH INCLUDES HOSPITAL PROVISION." Note the last sentence and ask yourself how many lies have been spun about this "HEALTH" campus. You know the old adage "How do you know when a politician is lying? Their lips move!!!![/p][/quote]So, anyone who objects to the allotments being destroyed for housing is objecting to a "Regeneration scheme" and not objecting to a new hospital after all. I'm glad that LibDem lie has now been nailed. Very well done Gus. I cannot now see a single justification for building houses on the allotments site, it is just willful vandalism on the part of the council. I attended the meeting and only the LibDems (all of them I believe, without exception) voted for building over the allotments, all non-LibDems voted against. The LibDems cannot be trusted to tell the truth to the residents of Watford, portraying this as hospital first, development second "To pay for it" whereas in fact is is and always has been "just another development scheme". Shame on the LibDems for lying, shame on the LibDems for taking the electorate for fools. We are holding our public meeting tonight (7:15) where you can find out exactly what UKIP intend to do about this development and the Allotments. Come along. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, Watford. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 5

8:02am Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS????
IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS
No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou.
Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS???? IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou. dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

9:02am Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS????
IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS
No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou.
UKIP is committed to a comprehensive Health Service free at the point of delivery.

On that I believe all four parties are united.

If you tell me where your policy document on the NHS is I will have a look and tell you where it differs from what we believe in. Do you have such a policy document?

Please do not encourage people to use force to defend their rights and freedoms. Whilst we still have a democracy, the ballot box is better than the gun.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS???? IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou.[/p][/quote]UKIP is committed to a comprehensive Health Service free at the point of delivery. On that I believe all four parties are united. If you tell me where your policy document on the NHS is I will have a look and tell you where it differs from what we believe in. Do you have such a policy document? Please do not encourage people to use force to defend their rights and freedoms. Whilst we still have a democracy, the ballot box is better than the gun. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS????
IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS
No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou.
UKIP is committed to a comprehensive Health Service free at the point of delivery.

On that I believe all four parties are united.

If you tell me where your policy document on the NHS is I will have a look and tell you where it differs from what we believe in. Do you have such a policy document?

Please do not encourage people to use force to defend their rights and freedoms. Whilst we still have a democracy, the ballot box is better than the gun.
HA HA really there are two parties the Libdems and Torys being backed by private health company's, they are privatizing the NHS and covertly creating a two tier system whereby the NHS is increasingly a "brand" in the market place focusing on seerving private customers, (this is not fantasy look at the linkup with Aspire and the RNOH)
There is a world of difference between that and Labour or even the New Labour PFI schemes, but you want us to remain blind to what is going on. The days of unified NHS are being attacked, no doubt for those few with money to pay for it there will be some advantages but for the rest of us it will be a worse service, we will literally be led thro the grand facade then turn down the grotty corridor to join an ever increasing quee: whilst the elite are transported along the marble walkway to sumptuous facilities pampering their wants
Your party has no manifesto, no policy's except something vague on Europe being anti gay and pro hand gun.

I am sorry real issues like the future of the NHS need to be addressed and not your world of gun tooting macho racist homophobic climate changing Fracking fantasy is a distraction
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS???? IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou.[/p][/quote]UKIP is committed to a comprehensive Health Service free at the point of delivery. On that I believe all four parties are united. If you tell me where your policy document on the NHS is I will have a look and tell you where it differs from what we believe in. Do you have such a policy document? Please do not encourage people to use force to defend their rights and freedoms. Whilst we still have a democracy, the ballot box is better than the gun.[/p][/quote]HA HA really there are two parties the Libdems and Torys being backed by private health company's, they are privatizing the NHS and covertly creating a two tier system whereby the NHS is increasingly a "brand" in the market place focusing on seerving private customers, (this is not fantasy look at the linkup with Aspire and the RNOH) There is a world of difference between that and Labour or even the New Labour PFI schemes, but you want us to remain blind to what is going on. The days of unified NHS are being attacked, no doubt for those few with money to pay for it there will be some advantages but for the rest of us it will be a worse service, we will literally be led thro the grand facade then turn down the grotty corridor to join an ever increasing quee: whilst the elite are transported along the marble walkway to sumptuous facilities pampering their wants Your party has no manifesto, no policy's except something vague on Europe being anti gay and pro hand gun. I am sorry real issues like the future of the NHS need to be addressed and not your world of gun tooting macho racist homophobic climate changing Fracking fantasy is a distraction dontknowynot
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10:17am Thu 30 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

@dontknowwhynot

As usual, you fly way off the topic.

Why don't you go and play your silly little political game elsewhere and allow the very serious discussion about Watford General's future to continue here uninterrupted.
@dontknowwhynot As usual, you fly way off the topic. Why don't you go and play your silly little political game elsewhere and allow the very serious discussion about Watford General's future to continue here uninterrupted. D_Penn
  • Score: 0

10:33am Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS????
IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS
No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou.
UKIP is committed to a comprehensive Health Service free at the point of delivery.

On that I believe all four parties are united.

If you tell me where your policy document on the NHS is I will have a look and tell you where it differs from what we believe in. Do you have such a policy document?

Please do not encourage people to use force to defend their rights and freedoms. Whilst we still have a democracy, the ballot box is better than the gun.
HA HA really there are two parties the Libdems and Torys being backed by private health company's, they are privatizing the NHS and covertly creating a two tier system whereby the NHS is increasingly a "brand" in the market place focusing on seerving private customers, (this is not fantasy look at the linkup with Aspire and the RNOH)
There is a world of difference between that and Labour or even the New Labour PFI schemes, but you want us to remain blind to what is going on. The days of unified NHS are being attacked, no doubt for those few with money to pay for it there will be some advantages but for the rest of us it will be a worse service, we will literally be led thro the grand facade then turn down the grotty corridor to join an ever increasing quee: whilst the elite are transported along the marble walkway to sumptuous facilities pampering their wants
Your party has no manifesto, no policy's except something vague on Europe being anti gay and pro hand gun.

I am sorry real issues like the future of the NHS need to be addressed and not your world of gun tooting macho racist homophobic climate changing Fracking fantasy is a distraction
UKIP is a party of the people, rather like the Labour party used to be.

We want a free NHS, the people should never be refused medical care because of their financial standing.

UKIP are a bit more pro-active than Labour on the NHS as we are not wedded to your outdated and unproductive dogma, but the end result will be the same, an NHS service, comprehensive, free at the point of delivery.

Anyway, where's your Labour NHS policy document. DO YOU HAVE ONE? I notice you failed to respond last time I asked.

I know Labour has been quite light on policies because they are scared of scaring away voters. I mean, look at what has happened to your poll lead since Balls announced your latest 50p tax idea - It's been wiped out. The commentators have criticised it as raising next to nothing whilst being the politics of envy. Is that what you stand for? Envy?

No wonder you don't want to tell people what Labour now stands for, you might end up going the way of the LibDems.

If you want to find out what UKIP stands for, come to our meeting tonight. I say this safe in the knowledge that your prejudices will not allow you to attend, which is a shame as an open mind is always more productive and beneficial than a closed one.

UKIP is not anti-gay, racist or any of the other lies you tell over and over, we have told you that before but I suppose you think that someone somewhere might still be gullible enough to believe your lies and slurs so just keep repeating them. Am I right? Seems stupid and dishonest to me, but each to their own.


BTW. Have you seen Nigel Farage's weather forecast spoof where he lampoons your councillor for his "I've had sex with aliens and fathered a child" claim, the Tory MP who held a Nazi-themed party at an alpine ski resort and the LibDem councillor who was jailed (18 years I think) for setting off a series of explosions in North Wales. What a hoot!

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=kSqACNj2B
yA

So, two questions for you.

1. Where is your policy on the NHS? please provide a link as I can see nothing on your national website.

2. What is your policy on human/alien breeding?
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox (UKIP) how does your party stand on the NHS???? IT HAS NO POLICIES FFS No doubt the allotment holders would have the right to defend their allotments with hand guns thou.[/p][/quote]UKIP is committed to a comprehensive Health Service free at the point of delivery. On that I believe all four parties are united. If you tell me where your policy document on the NHS is I will have a look and tell you where it differs from what we believe in. Do you have such a policy document? Please do not encourage people to use force to defend their rights and freedoms. Whilst we still have a democracy, the ballot box is better than the gun.[/p][/quote]HA HA really there are two parties the Libdems and Torys being backed by private health company's, they are privatizing the NHS and covertly creating a two tier system whereby the NHS is increasingly a "brand" in the market place focusing on seerving private customers, (this is not fantasy look at the linkup with Aspire and the RNOH) There is a world of difference between that and Labour or even the New Labour PFI schemes, but you want us to remain blind to what is going on. The days of unified NHS are being attacked, no doubt for those few with money to pay for it there will be some advantages but for the rest of us it will be a worse service, we will literally be led thro the grand facade then turn down the grotty corridor to join an ever increasing quee: whilst the elite are transported along the marble walkway to sumptuous facilities pampering their wants Your party has no manifesto, no policy's except something vague on Europe being anti gay and pro hand gun. I am sorry real issues like the future of the NHS need to be addressed and not your world of gun tooting macho racist homophobic climate changing Fracking fantasy is a distraction[/p][/quote]UKIP is a party of the people, rather like the Labour party used to be. We want a free NHS, the people should never be refused medical care because of their financial standing. UKIP are a bit more pro-active than Labour on the NHS as we are not wedded to your outdated and unproductive dogma, but the end result will be the same, an NHS service, comprehensive, free at the point of delivery. Anyway, where's your Labour NHS policy document. DO YOU HAVE ONE? I notice you failed to respond last time I asked. I know Labour has been quite light on policies because they are scared of scaring away voters. I mean, look at what has happened to your poll lead since Balls announced your latest 50p tax idea - It's been wiped out. The commentators have criticised it as raising next to nothing whilst being the politics of envy. Is that what you stand for? Envy? No wonder you don't want to tell people what Labour now stands for, you might end up going the way of the LibDems. If you want to find out what UKIP stands for, come to our meeting tonight. I say this safe in the knowledge that your prejudices will not allow you to attend, which is a shame as an open mind is always more productive and beneficial than a closed one. UKIP is not anti-gay, racist or any of the other lies you tell over and over, we have told you that before but I suppose you think that someone somewhere might still be gullible enough to believe your lies and slurs so just keep repeating them. Am I right? Seems stupid and dishonest to me, but each to their own. BTW. Have you seen Nigel Farage's weather forecast spoof where he lampoons your councillor for his "I've had sex with aliens and fathered a child" claim, the Tory MP who held a Nazi-themed party at an alpine ski resort and the LibDem councillor who was jailed (18 years I think) for setting off a series of explosions in North Wales. What a hoot! http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=kSqACNj2B yA So, two questions for you. 1. Where is your policy on the NHS? please provide a link as I can see nothing on your national website. 2. What is your policy on human/alien breeding? Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -1

10:34am Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
@dontknowwhynot

As usual, you fly way off the topic.

Why don't you go and play your silly little political game elsewhere and allow the very serious discussion about Watford General's future to continue here uninterrupted.
nope
the topic is the NHS in Watford and having a proper Hospital

Your party has no policies no manifesto and is irrelevant to this very real issue, it just spouts out rubbish about there being no climate change, Fracking being good and the benefits of hand gun ownership.

On the NHS you say all you want to have a publicly funded NHS but don't say if it is the same Two Tier NHS the Tory and Libdem Are creating, you have no policy on this, you have no manifesto and you are not a credible party on this very real issue,

You then have the effrontery to say I am going of topic, I am sorry but your party is an irrelevance in this debate, it's only input is to tell people to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the destruction of the NHS, ignore the fact that the gov is paying private companys huge amounts of OUR money to take over parts of it, and ignore the possibility that we will end up with private facilities and maybe the maternity unit and a few little bits of nhs facilities in Watford.
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: @dontknowwhynot As usual, you fly way off the topic. Why don't you go and play your silly little political game elsewhere and allow the very serious discussion about Watford General's future to continue here uninterrupted.[/p][/quote]nope the topic is the NHS in Watford and having a proper Hospital Your party has no policies no manifesto and is irrelevant to this very real issue, it just spouts out rubbish about there being no climate change, Fracking being good and the benefits of hand gun ownership. On the NHS you say all you want to have a publicly funded NHS but don't say if it is the same Two Tier NHS the Tory and Libdem Are creating, you have no policy on this, you have no manifesto and you are not a credible party on this very real issue, You then have the effrontery to say I am going of topic, I am sorry but your party is an irrelevance in this debate, it's only input is to tell people to bury their heads in the sand and ignore the destruction of the NHS, ignore the fact that the gov is paying private companys huge amounts of OUR money to take over parts of it, and ignore the possibility that we will end up with private facilities and maybe the maternity unit and a few little bits of nhs facilities in Watford. dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

10:53am Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

DKYN

er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes!

I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party.

You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense.

Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.
DKYN er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes! I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party. You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense. Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -1

11:04am Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

@phil cox
well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or
g.uk/the-future-of-t
he-nhs---ed-miliband

This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local .


I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather.

as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them.

But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands.

In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.
@phil cox well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or g.uk/the-future-of-t he-nhs---ed-miliband This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local . I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather. as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them. But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands. In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one. dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

11:13am Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
DKYN

er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes!

I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party.

You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense.

Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.
the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up.
As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing.
come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: DKYN er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes! I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party. You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense. Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.[/p][/quote]the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up. As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing. come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

11:31am Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

dontknowynot wrote:
@phil cox
well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or

g.uk/the-future-of-t

he-nhs---ed-miliband


This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local .


I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather.

as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them.

But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands.

In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.
So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS.

I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos.

After all, fair's fair.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @phil cox well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or g.uk/the-future-of-t he-nhs---ed-miliband This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local . I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather. as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them. But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands. In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.[/p][/quote]So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS. I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos. After all, fair's fair. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -1

11:59am Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

dontknowynot wrote:
@phil cox
well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or

g.uk/the-future-of-t

he-nhs---ed-miliband


This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local .


I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather.

as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them.

But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands.

In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.
You may not know much about human/alien interbreeding but your councillor Simon Parkes in Whitby knows all about it. He's at it, you know?

Read this, maybe it will allow you to include a policy in your next manifesto, if you do produce one.

You are so lucky. No other party has such knowledgeable people on "interplanetary how's yer father" with such unbelievable experiences under their belt.

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/tv/tv-news/labou
r-councillor-claims-
had-first-1964321#.U
uo4gyhC9KM

I used a quote from the Mirror, a Labour paper, just so you know I'm not exaggerating things. Do paedophile laws cover aliens? He says he was 6 when he first.....well, let's leave out the sordid details. Apparently he has fathered a half-alien child. Ring any bells? Has he ever offered you a ride in his spaceship?

Here's a direct quote "The driving instructor even claims to have fathered an extra terrestrial lovechild called Zarka and says having !!! with the alien has caused tension in his marriage."

It must be so difficult for him and his wife, let alone his party, to come to terms with. ;-)

I agree with you about being gay having nothing to do with bad weather, no-one said it did. Why on earth would it?

That would be a silly thing to say and I hope you would agree with me that we must all beware of minor figures in our parties bringing the party into disrepute by saying outlandish things that most of us would disagree with.

I notice your councillor is still not suspended though, unlike ours. Maybe you're just keeping an open mind on it. Who knows. Maybe it's true!

As for the polls, Labour 33, Cons 32 last time I looked a few days ago, after that "Balls-up" on the 50p tax rate. No lead at all and still 18 months to go until the elections. Worrying times, eh, particularly with working class voters flocking to UKIP, the new party of the people where the old ones have failed.

Back on track though, I am as concerned as you are that the "New hospital" is nothing but a smokescreen for the development that might otherwise have hit a wall of opposition if it hadn't been sweetened by the misleading comments and promises surrounding a new hospital for Watford. Certainly I don't think they could have built on Farm Terrace without the vague promise of a new hospital.

Lies, **** lies and LibDems/Tories eh? Who'd have thought it?
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @phil cox well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or g.uk/the-future-of-t he-nhs---ed-miliband This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local . I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather. as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them. But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands. In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.[/p][/quote]You may not know much about human/alien interbreeding but your councillor Simon Parkes in Whitby knows all about it. He's at it, you know? Read this, maybe it will allow you to include a policy in your next manifesto, if you do produce one. You are so lucky. No other party has such knowledgeable people on "interplanetary how's yer father" with such unbelievable experiences under their belt. http://www.mirror.co .uk/tv/tv-news/labou r-councillor-claims- had-first-1964321#.U uo4gyhC9KM I used a quote from the Mirror, a Labour paper, just so you know I'm not exaggerating things. Do paedophile laws cover aliens? He says he was 6 when he first.....well, let's leave out the sordid details. Apparently he has fathered a half-alien child. Ring any bells? Has he ever offered you a ride in his spaceship? Here's a direct quote "The driving instructor even claims to have fathered an extra terrestrial lovechild called Zarka and says having !!! with the alien has caused tension in his marriage." It must be so difficult for him and his wife, let alone his party, to come to terms with. ;-) I agree with you about being gay having nothing to do with bad weather, no-one said it did. Why on earth would it? That would be a silly thing to say and I hope you would agree with me that we must all beware of minor figures in our parties bringing the party into disrepute by saying outlandish things that most of us would disagree with. I notice your councillor is still not suspended though, unlike ours. Maybe you're just keeping an open mind on it. Who knows. Maybe it's true! As for the polls, Labour 33, Cons 32 last time I looked a few days ago, after that "Balls-up" on the 50p tax rate. No lead at all and still 18 months to go until the elections. Worrying times, eh, particularly with working class voters flocking to UKIP, the new party of the people where the old ones have failed. Back on track though, I am as concerned as you are that the "New hospital" is nothing but a smokescreen for the development that might otherwise have hit a wall of opposition if it hadn't been sweetened by the misleading comments and promises surrounding a new hospital for Watford. Certainly I don't think they could have built on Farm Terrace without the vague promise of a new hospital. Lies, **** lies and LibDems/Tories eh? Who'd have thought it? Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 0

12:05pm Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
@phil cox
well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or


g.uk/the-future-of-t


he-nhs---ed-miliband



This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local .


I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather.

as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them.

But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands.

In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.
So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS.

I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos.

After all, fair's fair.
they have policyson the NHS
Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws
Labour would give more powers to Local Councils through Health & Well Being Boards to oversee procurement of NHS services at a local level, this would increase giving elected councillors a say on NHS Commissioniing
Labour will create a unified National Health & Social Care Service effectively integrating health & social care

Now there are clear policys
Labour also has a clear record of improving the NHS
Labour is the only party that has commited to repealing the 2012 act and it is this act that is the biggest threat to having a Watford NHS Hospital.

As to Manifesto it is one thing only to publish prior to an election and then leave it in the public domain and another to rip it up and remove it as your party has done. Farage has said he never read it and it was a piece of nonsense (ukip 2010 manefesto) Labour in broad terms stand by the 2010 manifesto and clearly cannot be expected to have things in it like the repeal of the 2012 act.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @phil cox well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or g.uk/the-future-of-t he-nhs---ed-miliband This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local . I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather. as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them. But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands. In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.[/p][/quote]So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS. I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos. After all, fair's fair.[/p][/quote]they have policyson the NHS Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws Labour would give more powers to Local Councils through Health & Well Being Boards to oversee procurement of NHS services at a local level, this would increase giving elected councillors a say on NHS Commissioniing Labour will create a unified National Health & Social Care Service effectively integrating health & social care Now there are clear policys Labour also has a clear record of improving the NHS Labour is the only party that has commited to repealing the 2012 act and it is this act that is the biggest threat to having a Watford NHS Hospital. As to Manifesto it is one thing only to publish prior to an election and then leave it in the public domain and another to rip it up and remove it as your party has done. Farage has said he never read it and it was a piece of nonsense (ukip 2010 manefesto) Labour in broad terms stand by the 2010 manifesto and clearly cannot be expected to have things in it like the repeal of the 2012 act. dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

12:08pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
DKYN

er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes!

I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party.

You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense.

Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.
the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up.
As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing.
come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization
If you can't find your policy, as a Labour stalwart, what chance have I, a mere earthling?

I did try tofind it but google doesn't know where it is either.

We in UKIP are fully committed to the NHS, I've said it above in clear and unequivocal terms. There can be no doubt whatsoever about our commitment.

Our manifesto is being rewritten. All parties do that in between elections. Yours included.

The health service delivered to the people of the UK will be conprehensive and free at the point of delivery. That's what matters. Free treatment for all, paid for by taxes.

That's what we all promise. It's what really matters.

What did Labour do about privatisation of the NHS when they were last in power? Would you like to comment on that? Say one thing, do another?
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: DKYN er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes! I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party. You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense. Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.[/p][/quote]the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up. As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing. come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization[/p][/quote]If you can't find your policy, as a Labour stalwart, what chance have I, a mere earthling? I did try tofind it but google doesn't know where it is either. We in UKIP are fully committed to the NHS, I've said it above in clear and unequivocal terms. There can be no doubt whatsoever about our commitment. Our manifesto is being rewritten. All parties do that in between elections. Yours included. The health service delivered to the people of the UK will be conprehensive and free at the point of delivery. That's what matters. Free treatment for all, paid for by taxes. That's what we all promise. It's what really matters. What did Labour do about privatisation of the NHS when they were last in power? Would you like to comment on that? Say one thing, do another? Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -1

12:13pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
@phil cox
well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or



g.uk/the-future-of-t



he-nhs---ed-miliband




This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local .


I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather.

as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them.

But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands.

In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.
So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS.

I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos.

After all, fair's fair.
they have policyson the NHS
Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws
Labour would give more powers to Local Councils through Health & Well Being Boards to oversee procurement of NHS services at a local level, this would increase giving elected councillors a say on NHS Commissioniing
Labour will create a unified National Health & Social Care Service effectively integrating health & social care

Now there are clear policys
Labour also has a clear record of improving the NHS
Labour is the only party that has commited to repealing the 2012 act and it is this act that is the biggest threat to having a Watford NHS Hospital.

As to Manifesto it is one thing only to publish prior to an election and then leave it in the public domain and another to rip it up and remove it as your party has done. Farage has said he never read it and it was a piece of nonsense (ukip 2010 manefesto) Labour in broad terms stand by the 2010 manifesto and clearly cannot be expected to have things in it like the repeal of the 2012 act.
Labour are going to repeal EU competition laws. LOVE IT!

So, Labour are all for leaving the EU as well ow. Is that a manifesto commitment?

Because we all know there is only one way of removing an EU law.....and that's voting UKIP and leaving the EU!

What's your position on funding the NHS? Are you making any commitments to ring-fencing, increasing the budget in real terms? Please, commit here, commit now. It'll be in the nationals tomorrow.

Or maybe it's all just Labour-speak hot air. I rather think it is.

The NHS is safe in UKIP's hands. We are not tied by the failed dogma of the other parties.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @phil cox well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or g.uk/the-future-of-t he-nhs---ed-miliband This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local . I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather. as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them. But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands. In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.[/p][/quote]So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS. I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos. After all, fair's fair.[/p][/quote]they have policyson the NHS Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws Labour would give more powers to Local Councils through Health & Well Being Boards to oversee procurement of NHS services at a local level, this would increase giving elected councillors a say on NHS Commissioniing Labour will create a unified National Health & Social Care Service effectively integrating health & social care Now there are clear policys Labour also has a clear record of improving the NHS Labour is the only party that has commited to repealing the 2012 act and it is this act that is the biggest threat to having a Watford NHS Hospital. As to Manifesto it is one thing only to publish prior to an election and then leave it in the public domain and another to rip it up and remove it as your party has done. Farage has said he never read it and it was a piece of nonsense (ukip 2010 manefesto) Labour in broad terms stand by the 2010 manifesto and clearly cannot be expected to have things in it like the repeal of the 2012 act.[/p][/quote]Labour are going to repeal EU competition laws. LOVE IT! So, Labour are all for leaving the EU as well ow. Is that a manifesto commitment? Because we all know there is only one way of removing an EU law.....and that's voting UKIP and leaving the EU! What's your position on funding the NHS? Are you making any commitments to ring-fencing, increasing the budget in real terms? Please, commit here, commit now. It'll be in the nationals tomorrow. Or maybe it's all just Labour-speak hot air. I rather think it is. The NHS is safe in UKIP's hands. We are not tied by the failed dogma of the other parties. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -1

12:23pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Mrs Droftaw says...

This is hardly surprising when the Health Authority can't even provide an adequate GP service in Watford ... how on on earth an they be expected to sort out hospital facilities! It is clear Mr Harrington does not really care (no response to emails).
This is hardly surprising when the Health Authority can't even provide an adequate GP service in Watford ... how on on earth an they be expected to sort out hospital facilities! It is clear Mr Harrington does not really care (no response to emails). Mrs Droftaw
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
DKYN

er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes!

I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party.

You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense.

Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.
the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up.
As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing.
come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization
If you can't find your policy, as a Labour stalwart, what chance have I, a mere earthling?

I did try tofind it but google doesn't know where it is either.

We in UKIP are fully committed to the NHS, I've said it above in clear and unequivocal terms. There can be no doubt whatsoever about our commitment.

Our manifesto is being rewritten. All parties do that in between elections. Yours included.

The health service delivered to the people of the UK will be conprehensive and free at the point of delivery. That's what matters. Free treatment for all, paid for by taxes.

That's what we all promise. It's what really matters.

What did Labour do about privatisation of the NHS when they were last in power? Would you like to comment on that? Say one thing, do another?
I have quoted you policy's
Your leader has ripped yours up
Simple
You raise concern re the devolopment on the Health campus but fail to address the underlying cause wheras Labour do
Labour brought investment to the WGH, the libdem and Torys are wrecking the NHS and your party has no substantive thing to say on it.
As to the polls your party is not increasing and on like for like pols the picture is broadly Labour holding and UKIP lossing votes to Torys.
For some bizzare reason the Libdem vote seems steady if lowish I really can't understand that one.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: DKYN er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes! I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party. You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense. Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.[/p][/quote]the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up. As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing. come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization[/p][/quote]If you can't find your policy, as a Labour stalwart, what chance have I, a mere earthling? I did try tofind it but google doesn't know where it is either. We in UKIP are fully committed to the NHS, I've said it above in clear and unequivocal terms. There can be no doubt whatsoever about our commitment. Our manifesto is being rewritten. All parties do that in between elections. Yours included. The health service delivered to the people of the UK will be conprehensive and free at the point of delivery. That's what matters. Free treatment for all, paid for by taxes. That's what we all promise. It's what really matters. What did Labour do about privatisation of the NHS when they were last in power? Would you like to comment on that? Say one thing, do another?[/p][/quote]I have quoted you policy's Your leader has ripped yours up Simple You raise concern re the devolopment on the Health campus but fail to address the underlying cause wheras Labour do Labour brought investment to the WGH, the libdem and Torys are wrecking the NHS and your party has no substantive thing to say on it. As to the polls your party is not increasing and on like for like pols the picture is broadly Labour holding and UKIP lossing votes to Torys. For some bizzare reason the Libdem vote seems steady if lowish I really can't understand that one. dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Thu 30 Jan 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
@phil cox
well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or




g.uk/the-future-of-t




he-nhs---ed-miliband





This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local .


I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather.

as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them.

But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands.

In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.
So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS.

I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos.

After all, fair's fair.
they have policyson the NHS
Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws
Labour would give more powers to Local Councils through Health & Well Being Boards to oversee procurement of NHS services at a local level, this would increase giving elected councillors a say on NHS Commissioniing
Labour will create a unified National Health & Social Care Service effectively integrating health & social care

Now there are clear policys
Labour also has a clear record of improving the NHS
Labour is the only party that has commited to repealing the 2012 act and it is this act that is the biggest threat to having a Watford NHS Hospital.

As to Manifesto it is one thing only to publish prior to an election and then leave it in the public domain and another to rip it up and remove it as your party has done. Farage has said he never read it and it was a piece of nonsense (ukip 2010 manefesto) Labour in broad terms stand by the 2010 manifesto and clearly cannot be expected to have things in it like the repeal of the 2012 act.
Labour are going to repeal EU competition laws. LOVE IT!

So, Labour are all for leaving the EU as well ow. Is that a manifesto commitment?

Because we all know there is only one way of removing an EU law.....and that's voting UKIP and leaving the EU!

What's your position on funding the NHS? Are you making any commitments to ring-fencing, increasing the budget in real terms? Please, commit here, commit now. It'll be in the nationals tomorrow.

Or maybe it's all just Labour-speak hot air. I rather think it is.

The NHS is safe in UKIP's hands. We are not tied by the failed dogma of the other parties.
Might help if you read what I wrote

"Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws"

Nothing like "repeal EU competition laws."

get a grip or even better get a policy
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @phil cox well my little Ukip devotee in answer to 1) http://www.labour.or g.uk/the-future-of-t he-nhs---ed-miliband This clearly is a commitment that will feed into the Manifesto,local . I no nowt about human alien breeding but do know that being gay does not cause bad weather. as to recent polls well Labour support seems steady at 37-40%, I suppose the worrying thing is that UKIP seem to be lossing support to the Tory party, but that is to be expected I mean you are both right wing parties and usually a fair chunk of your MEPs defect to them. But back on track Labour has made commitments to reverse the NHS privatization act (whatever the coalition call it) from your non answer I take it your party is just the same as the Tory and Libdem ie you will keep the changes and pay out more and more of our money to private health companys to take it of our hands. In regard to watford this will mean that the health campus will be a glorified housing scheme and we will likely loss our NHS hospital for a mix of private and NHS provision. I am confidant of this because the act allows for trusts to earn money from private and they are developing watford site therefore it is only logical that they as a business put in this private provision in here first. All of this will put a new NHS hospital as a very low priority and we may not ever get one.[/p][/quote]So you admit it then, LABOUR HAS NO POLICY OR MANIFESTO regarding the NHS. I do hope you will mention this in future when railing about parties having no policies or manifestos. After all, fair's fair.[/p][/quote]they have policyson the NHS Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws Labour would give more powers to Local Councils through Health & Well Being Boards to oversee procurement of NHS services at a local level, this would increase giving elected councillors a say on NHS Commissioniing Labour will create a unified National Health & Social Care Service effectively integrating health & social care Now there are clear policys Labour also has a clear record of improving the NHS Labour is the only party that has commited to repealing the 2012 act and it is this act that is the biggest threat to having a Watford NHS Hospital. As to Manifesto it is one thing only to publish prior to an election and then leave it in the public domain and another to rip it up and remove it as your party has done. Farage has said he never read it and it was a piece of nonsense (ukip 2010 manefesto) Labour in broad terms stand by the 2010 manifesto and clearly cannot be expected to have things in it like the repeal of the 2012 act.[/p][/quote]Labour are going to repeal EU competition laws. LOVE IT! So, Labour are all for leaving the EU as well ow. Is that a manifesto commitment? Because we all know there is only one way of removing an EU law.....and that's voting UKIP and leaving the EU! What's your position on funding the NHS? Are you making any commitments to ring-fencing, increasing the budget in real terms? Please, commit here, commit now. It'll be in the nationals tomorrow. Or maybe it's all just Labour-speak hot air. I rather think it is. The NHS is safe in UKIP's hands. We are not tied by the failed dogma of the other parties.[/p][/quote]Might help if you read what I wrote "Labour will repeal the Tory NHS Act of 2012 that accelerated NHS privatisation & subjected the NHS to EU Competition Laws" Nothing like "repeal EU competition laws." get a grip or even better get a policy dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

12:48pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
DKYN

er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes!

I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party.

You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense.

Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.
the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up.
As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing.
come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization
If you can't find your policy, as a Labour stalwart, what chance have I, a mere earthling?

I did try tofind it but google doesn't know where it is either.

We in UKIP are fully committed to the NHS, I've said it above in clear and unequivocal terms. There can be no doubt whatsoever about our commitment.

Our manifesto is being rewritten. All parties do that in between elections. Yours included.

The health service delivered to the people of the UK will be conprehensive and free at the point of delivery. That's what matters. Free treatment for all, paid for by taxes.

That's what we all promise. It's what really matters.

What did Labour do about privatisation of the NHS when they were last in power? Would you like to comment on that? Say one thing, do another?
I have quoted you policy's
Your leader has ripped yours up
Simple
You raise concern re the devolopment on the Health campus but fail to address the underlying cause wheras Labour do
Labour brought investment to the WGH, the libdem and Torys are wrecking the NHS and your party has no substantive thing to say on it.
As to the polls your party is not increasing and on like for like pols the picture is broadly Labour holding and UKIP lossing votes to Torys.
For some bizzare reason the Libdem vote seems steady if lowish I really can't understand that one.
What are the underlying problems facing the NHS?

Funding? PFI's you signed up to? Bankruptcy caused by stupid financing packages? Costs of drugs? Inefficiency? Old and unsuitable premises? Bad planning? Concentration on targets and not service?

All of these things, and whatever party, like UKIP, like Labour, must face up to them and tackle them.

What the NHS is not suffering from is a shortage of Labour policies.

The NHS needs fixing. It doesn't matter who does it, it must be fixed. The main difference between Labour and UKIP is how big the bill will be. You will bankrupt it. We will not.

All the extra money you pumped in when in government. How much disappeared into higher wages and GP contracts that were outrageously generous and inept in providing care? How much went into improving the service?

Labour is simply financially inept. Time and again they bring this country to its knees. How many more times will people vote for broken Britain under Labour?

Vote UKIP, give the country back to the people and get rid of these self-serving elites from the other failed parties.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: DKYN er, don't look now, but you're not wearing any clothes! I can only draw this conclusion after you criticise other parties for not having a manifesto or policies whilst in fact you might just as easily be talking about your own beloved Labour party. You have no manifesto, no policy on the NHS and no hope of fooling the people of Watford by your nonsense. Unless you take these exchanges seriously there can be little point in responding to your nonsense postings.[/p][/quote]the difference clearly is that Labour have a manifesto that has not been withdrawn has it look it up. As to policy they have been clear across a broad range of the commitments and that they will be going into the manifesto policys have been outlined as in the speech above, your party has just ripped up its manifesto and removed it from public access, a very different thing. come on please answer the Q on NHS not rhetoric what are you going to do about the privatization[/p][/quote]If you can't find your policy, as a Labour stalwart, what chance have I, a mere earthling? I did try tofind it but google doesn't know where it is either. We in UKIP are fully committed to the NHS, I've said it above in clear and unequivocal terms. There can be no doubt whatsoever about our commitment. Our manifesto is being rewritten. All parties do that in between elections. Yours included. The health service delivered to the people of the UK will be conprehensive and free at the point of delivery. That's what matters. Free treatment for all, paid for by taxes. That's what we all promise. It's what really matters. What did Labour do about privatisation of the NHS when they were last in power? Would you like to comment on that? Say one thing, do another?[/p][/quote]I have quoted you policy's Your leader has ripped yours up Simple You raise concern re the devolopment on the Health campus but fail to address the underlying cause wheras Labour do Labour brought investment to the WGH, the libdem and Torys are wrecking the NHS and your party has no substantive thing to say on it. As to the polls your party is not increasing and on like for like pols the picture is broadly Labour holding and UKIP lossing votes to Torys. For some bizzare reason the Libdem vote seems steady if lowish I really can't understand that one.[/p][/quote]What are the underlying problems facing the NHS? Funding? PFI's you signed up to? Bankruptcy caused by stupid financing packages? Costs of drugs? Inefficiency? Old and unsuitable premises? Bad planning? Concentration on targets and not service? All of these things, and whatever party, like UKIP, like Labour, must face up to them and tackle them. What the NHS is not suffering from is a shortage of Labour policies. The NHS needs fixing. It doesn't matter who does it, it must be fixed. The main difference between Labour and UKIP is how big the bill will be. You will bankrupt it. We will not. All the extra money you pumped in when in government. How much disappeared into higher wages and GP contracts that were outrageously generous and inept in providing care? How much went into improving the service? Labour is simply financially inept. Time and again they bring this country to its knees. How many more times will people vote for broken Britain under Labour? Vote UKIP, give the country back to the people and get rid of these self-serving elites from the other failed parties. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -1

1:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

sjtrebar says...

I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure?
We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!!
I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure? We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!! sjtrebar
  • Score: 10

1:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

OH NO, Who's fired up "dontknowynot" Don't you know he runs on Duracell's, last's for ever, never runs out of energy!! Good afternoon "dontknowynot" I see you are in fine form today..):):):) Vote UKIP, you know it makes SENSE.
OH NO, Who's fired up "dontknowynot" Don't you know he runs on Duracell's, last's for ever, never runs out of energy!! Good afternoon "dontknowynot" I see you are in fine form today..):):):) Vote UKIP, you know it makes SENSE. EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: -1

1:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

TRT says...

Our Mayor and our MP should be out meeting the UK directors of companies like Glaxo-Smith-Kline, Astra Zenica, Shire, Pfizer, Roche, GE Healthcare, Siemens Healthcare, Philips Healthcare, and to influential members of the board for the MRC, the BBSRC, the EMRC, Lords Green and Younger, David Willetts and Vince Cable... they should be out lobbying them to get medical research and production companies interested in setting up a proper health campus - an enterprise zone for biotechnology and medicine/medical related activity. Watford actually *IS* ideally placed for business. It's on the M25 for Basingstoke (Shire), the M1 for London and (better still) the forgotten about North, it has the WCML for trains to Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Holyhead (and thence Ireland), the East Coast Main Line isn't that far away, and there in itself is incentive for the long talked about East-West Hertfordshire rail link that would cost a tiny fraction of HS2 yet bring such benefits by not having to change in London. Then there's the proximity of Mill Hill and the associated MRC sites there, The Royal Free is within 30 minutes drive, pioneering work at Harefield, Queen's Square in London is 40 minutes away - 20 to Euston and 20 walking (I know, I used to work there) - and you'd have to walk past the headquarters of the BMA to get there!

Instead, they go chasing house builders. Why? Two birds with one stone, perhaps? The government (and not the incumbent one at that) set targets for house building. Central interference at local level without the associated financial back up.

Anyway, on the back of getting relevant investment for development, THEN the case for a new, state of the art, hospital becomes clear. Mind you, stiff competition from the brand new UCH at Euston, which is only a 20 minute train ride away... they already take patients from Hertfordshire. Chemotherapy research programme candidates for one! That's the kind of shizzle we should be encouraging for Watford. I've not heard one sentence even approaching that level of interest in the care of patients coming out of the mayor's office. It's ALWAYS been a defence of how we need the housing to regenerate the site for business.
1,000 odd jobs? Rubbish. That's setting the target far too low. A new enterprise zone near Winch Hill Wood or between Tom's Lane and the M25 - 3,000 jobs easily. Done in the spirit of sustainability shown by Ovaltine, the whole scheme could blend into the landscape, provide public transport links nationwide as well as locally, with bus shuttles where required to Bricket Wood, King's Langley.

Is that a pipe dream? Maybe, but for a couple who crow so much about who they've been talking to and how hard they are working for Watford's businesses, I've not heard a peep about them meeting representatives from any of these companies or funding bodies.
Our Mayor and our MP should be out meeting the UK directors of companies like Glaxo-Smith-Kline, Astra Zenica, Shire, Pfizer, Roche, GE Healthcare, Siemens Healthcare, Philips Healthcare, and to influential members of the board for the MRC, the BBSRC, the EMRC, Lords Green and Younger, David Willetts and Vince Cable... they should be out lobbying them to get medical research and production companies interested in setting up a proper health campus - an enterprise zone for biotechnology and medicine/medical related activity. Watford actually *IS* ideally placed for business. It's on the M25 for Basingstoke (Shire), the M1 for London and (better still) the forgotten about North, it has the WCML for trains to Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Holyhead (and thence Ireland), the East Coast Main Line isn't that far away, and there in itself is incentive for the long talked about East-West Hertfordshire rail link that would cost a tiny fraction of HS2 yet bring such benefits by not having to change in London. Then there's the proximity of Mill Hill and the associated MRC sites there, The Royal Free is within 30 minutes drive, pioneering work at Harefield, Queen's Square in London is 40 minutes away - 20 to Euston and 20 walking (I know, I used to work there) - and you'd have to walk past the headquarters of the BMA to get there! Instead, they go chasing house builders. Why? Two birds with one stone, perhaps? The government (and not the incumbent one at that) set targets for house building. Central interference at local level without the associated financial back up. Anyway, on the back of getting relevant investment for development, THEN the case for a new, state of the art, hospital becomes clear. Mind you, stiff competition from the brand new UCH at Euston, which is only a 20 minute train ride away... they already take patients from Hertfordshire. Chemotherapy research programme candidates for one! That's the kind of shizzle we should be encouraging for Watford. I've not heard one sentence even approaching that level of interest in the care of patients coming out of the mayor's office. It's ALWAYS been a defence of how we need the housing to regenerate the site for business. 1,000 odd jobs? Rubbish. That's setting the target far too low. A new enterprise zone near Winch Hill Wood or between Tom's Lane and the M25 - 3,000 jobs easily. Done in the spirit of sustainability shown by Ovaltine, the whole scheme could blend into the landscape, provide public transport links nationwide as well as locally, with bus shuttles where required to Bricket Wood, King's Langley. Is that a pipe dream? Maybe, but for a couple who crow so much about who they've been talking to and how hard they are working for Watford's businesses, I've not heard a peep about them meeting representatives from any of these companies or funding bodies. TRT
  • Score: 7

2:15pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

sjtrebar wrote:
I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure?
We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!!
SJ,

I quite agree with you. The way the LibDems have behaved over this is scandalous. We will have something to say about this at our public meeting this evening if you are able to make it. (7:15 at Watford Town and Country Club).

If not, best wishes with your campaign from all at UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure? We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!![/p][/quote]SJ, I quite agree with you. The way the LibDems have behaved over this is scandalous. We will have something to say about this at our public meeting this evening if you are able to make it. (7:15 at Watford Town and Country Club). If not, best wishes with your campaign from all at UKIP. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Thu 30 Jan 14

D_Penn says...

House building always suits the Lib Dem council. There is often a kick-back from developers that helps swell the council coffers and also more income arrives from new council tax payers.

The kitty swells and than the Lib Dems can announce how well they are doing not increasing council tax. But instead of at least reducing the tax we all pay, they then spend the excess on eye-watering sums on self-preening projects such as tarting up Watford Parade. A great way of looking as if you can run a balanced economy but in reality it's only being achieved by selling off Watford's precious land space and cramming ever more people into our small town.

It is clear they will continue this policy until Watford is a land of flats and stationary traffic, or people stop voting for them. How many more allotments and land grabs will take place before people have had enough?
House building always suits the Lib Dem council. There is often a kick-back from developers that helps swell the council coffers and also more income arrives from new council tax payers. The kitty swells and than the Lib Dems can announce how well they are doing not increasing council tax. But instead of at least reducing the tax we all pay, they then spend the excess on eye-watering sums on self-preening projects such as tarting up Watford Parade. A great way of looking as if you can run a balanced economy but in reality it's only being achieved by selling off Watford's precious land space and cramming ever more people into our small town. It is clear they will continue this policy until Watford is a land of flats and stationary traffic, or people stop voting for them. How many more allotments and land grabs will take place before people have had enough? D_Penn
  • Score: 5

2:38pm Thu 30 Jan 14

TRT says...

D_Penn wrote:
House building always suits the Lib Dem council. There is often a kick-back from developers that helps swell the council coffers and also more income arrives from new council tax payers.

The kitty swells and than the Lib Dems can announce how well they are doing not increasing council tax. But instead of at least reducing the tax we all pay, they then spend the excess on eye-watering sums on self-preening projects such as tarting up Watford Parade. A great way of looking as if you can run a balanced economy but in reality it's only being achieved by selling off Watford's precious land space and cramming ever more people into our small town.

It is clear they will continue this policy until Watford is a land of flats and stationary traffic, or people stop voting for them. How many more allotments and land grabs will take place before people have had enough?
You mean the section 106 monies that they don't know what to do with, can't use and end up having to give back?
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: House building always suits the Lib Dem council. There is often a kick-back from developers that helps swell the council coffers and also more income arrives from new council tax payers. The kitty swells and than the Lib Dems can announce how well they are doing not increasing council tax. But instead of at least reducing the tax we all pay, they then spend the excess on eye-watering sums on self-preening projects such as tarting up Watford Parade. A great way of looking as if you can run a balanced economy but in reality it's only being achieved by selling off Watford's precious land space and cramming ever more people into our small town. It is clear they will continue this policy until Watford is a land of flats and stationary traffic, or people stop voting for them. How many more allotments and land grabs will take place before people have had enough?[/p][/quote]You mean the section 106 monies that they don't know what to do with, can't use and end up having to give back? TRT
  • Score: 3

4:53pm Thu 30 Jan 14

sjtrebar says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
sjtrebar wrote:
I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure?
We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!!
SJ,

I quite agree with you. The way the LibDems have behaved over this is scandalous. We will have something to say about this at our public meeting this evening if you are able to make it. (7:15 at Watford Town and Country Club).

If not, best wishes with your campaign from all at UKIP.
Thank you Phil. Unfortunately I can't make it but I thank you for your support regarding the issue of keeping Farm Terrace Allotments. Sj
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure? We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!![/p][/quote]SJ, I quite agree with you. The way the LibDems have behaved over this is scandalous. We will have something to say about this at our public meeting this evening if you are able to make it. (7:15 at Watford Town and Country Club). If not, best wishes with your campaign from all at UKIP.[/p][/quote]Thank you Phil. Unfortunately I can't make it but I thank you for your support regarding the issue of keeping Farm Terrace Allotments. Sj sjtrebar
  • Score: 2

5:03pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

sjtrebar wrote:
Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
sjtrebar wrote:
I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure?
We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!!
SJ,

I quite agree with you. The way the LibDems have behaved over this is scandalous. We will have something to say about this at our public meeting this evening if you are able to make it. (7:15 at Watford Town and Country Club).

If not, best wishes with your campaign from all at UKIP.
Thank you Phil. Unfortunately I can't make it but I thank you for your support regarding the issue of keeping Farm Terrace Allotments. Sj
Shame, I think you would have enjoyed it. Particularly the bit about Farm Terrace.

Keep up the good work.
[quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: I would like to remind all people and parties that this is about the residents of Watford. This is about the (in my opinion) lies and spin that Mayor Dorothy and her councillors have hidden behind since the first letter they sent out saying that they needed part of our beloved allotments for a hospital regeneration scheme. The lies she continued to spin saying that if she could have both she would! She then went on to systematically neglect and leave the allotments to ruin, while using a divide and conquer method to move plot holders to new sites with bribes! When the secretary of state backed down after the real threat of legal action. She STILL went in again, saying the land was needed for hospital and housing. No mention of the Car Park which will cover what is arguably the most beautiful part of the allotment site!  She hides behind spin of new jobs and new housing - 600 then 650 then 700 and they threaten that there could be more! What about the local people Dorothy? What about the already ridiculously congested roads and inadequate infrastructure? We have Doctors surgeries who are full, schools which can't cope with the ever increasing pressure of more and more students and yet she believe that 700 (most probably) buy to lets are the answer?? Then there is the only HEALTHY part of the 'Health Campus' the allotments,  which she seems hell bent on destroying come what may. What about the elderly ladies and gentlemen for whom their plots are their life line? This is a nail in their coffins and will be blood on her hands. As someone above correctly pointed out. There is an election coming up. The people of Watford need to speak up and speak out. I do not care who you vote for.  Just please get HER and her cronies out!!!!![/p][/quote]SJ, I quite agree with you. The way the LibDems have behaved over this is scandalous. We will have something to say about this at our public meeting this evening if you are able to make it. (7:15 at Watford Town and Country Club). If not, best wishes with your campaign from all at UKIP.[/p][/quote]Thank you Phil. Unfortunately I can't make it but I thank you for your support regarding the issue of keeping Farm Terrace Allotments. Sj[/p][/quote]Shame, I think you would have enjoyed it. Particularly the bit about Farm Terrace. Keep up the good work. Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Jerry S says...

Well if the hospital might not be there anymore, why not open up MORE allotments. They provide cheap local produce, get people out in the fresh air and can be used to educate children that peas and sweetcorn don't come from the freezer they come from the soil. All this will help improve general health in the area and thereby reduce the overcrowding at the GP surgeries mentioned above.
Well if the hospital might not be there anymore, why not open up MORE allotments. They provide cheap local produce, get people out in the fresh air and can be used to educate children that peas and sweetcorn don't come from the freezer they come from the soil. All this will help improve general health in the area and thereby reduce the overcrowding at the GP surgeries mentioned above. Jerry S
  • Score: 6

10:23am Wed 5 Feb 14

Bloodwags says...

Leaving party politics aside and fully supporting the @savefarmterrace campaign, I must point out that the ill-conceived and discreditably-dubbed @healhcampus was also cited to a public inquiry into the re-routing of the Met Line as part justification for the closure of Watford Met, with over 1.5 million entry/exits in 2011. Dicky & Dotty's disgraceful subterfuge has now been blown wide open. The case for ramming 700 more homes into what is already the most congested & clogged part of Watford must be closed and the case for Watford Met reopened! http://wp.me/p1m3bE-
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Leaving party politics aside and fully supporting the @savefarmterrace campaign, I must point out that the ill-conceived and discreditably-dubbed @healhcampus was also cited to a public inquiry into the re-routing of the Met Line as part justification for the closure of Watford Met, with over 1.5 million entry/exits in 2011. Dicky & Dotty's disgraceful subterfuge has now been blown wide open. The case for ramming 700 more homes into what is already the most congested & clogged part of Watford must be closed and the case for Watford Met reopened! http://wp.me/p1m3bE- 4e Bloodwags
  • Score: 0

11:41am Wed 5 Feb 14

TRT says...

Given that Holywell and Brightwell allotments are slap bang next to the new station, and given that there is increasing pressure for house/ rabbit hutch building in Hertfordshire (having been through St. Albans today, there are hundreds and hundreds of new build flats going up over there), I can see the day approaching when those allotments get moved away and built over. Farm Terrace is only the beginning. There will be a good reason for it, of course. "We need the money for x, y and z", and "Maximising returns on the realisation of council assets" and "If we don't do this, then a government inspector will stick red hot needles under our eyelids, make goats lick honey off our feet, take all our planning controls away from us and sell the whole borough to a Chinese-Isreali consortium."
Given that Holywell and Brightwell allotments are slap bang next to the new station, and given that there is increasing pressure for house/ rabbit hutch building in Hertfordshire (having been through St. Albans today, there are hundreds and hundreds of new build flats going up over there), I can see the day approaching when those allotments get moved away and built over. Farm Terrace is only the beginning. There will be a good reason for it, of course. "We need the money for x, y and z", and "Maximising returns on the realisation of council assets" and "If we don't do this, then a government inspector will stick red hot needles under our eyelids, make goats lick honey off our feet, take all our planning controls away from us and sell the whole borough to a Chinese-Isreali consortium." TRT
  • Score: 1

9:37am Tue 11 Feb 14

sun clock tower says...

The hospital which is now in situ, has been left to decay to make things look bad.

The whole hospital is rotten to the core

the new proposed super hospital will be prefab design with a life span of 15 years...are the people aware of this folly

the proposed new road is for what?

A NEW HOSPITAL WOULD NEED SEVERAL NEW ROADS, NOT JUST ONE


WHY ARE THE HOSPITAL IN WATFORD, NOW RUNNING AT A HUGH LOSS, ABOUT TO DEMOLISH A FAIRLY NEW OLD DOCTORS BLOCK, FOR NO GOOD REASON IN WILLOW LANE ??? WHY WHY
The hospital which is now in situ, has been left to decay to make things look bad. The whole hospital is rotten to the core the new proposed super hospital will be prefab design with a life span of 15 years...are the people aware of this folly the proposed new road is for what? A NEW HOSPITAL WOULD NEED SEVERAL NEW ROADS, NOT JUST ONE WHY ARE THE HOSPITAL IN WATFORD, NOW RUNNING AT A HUGH LOSS, ABOUT TO DEMOLISH A FAIRLY NEW OLD DOCTORS BLOCK, FOR NO GOOD REASON IN WILLOW LANE ??? WHY WHY sun clock tower
  • Score: 1

10:36am Tue 11 Feb 14

Anonymous Commentator says...

"...sell the whole borough to a Chinese-Isreali consortium."

Yeah, right. You are just yet another paranoid Marxist loony who sees global conspiracies everywhere you look. What Chinese-Israeli consortium? There isn't one. Idiot.
"...sell the whole borough to a Chinese-Isreali consortium." Yeah, right. You are just yet another paranoid Marxist loony who sees global conspiracies everywhere you look. What Chinese-Israeli consortium? There isn't one. Idiot. Anonymous Commentator
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Tue 11 Feb 14

TRT says...

"What Chinese-Israeli consortium?"

The So-Sue-Mi Corporation.
"What Chinese-Israeli consortium?" The So-Sue-Mi Corporation. TRT
  • Score: 1

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