Oxhey Hall parish councillor, Diane Day, defects to the UK Independence Party

Diane Day said she could no longer campaign for the Conservative party as she did not agree with what it was doing in Government.

Diane Day said she could no longer campaign for the Conservative party as she did not agree with what it was doing in Government.

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An Oxhey Hall parish councillor who resigned from the Conservatives has defected to the UK Independence Party, citing anger at her former party’s policies on an EU referendum and immigration.

Diane Day said she could no longer campaign for the Conservative party as she did not agree with what it was doing in Government.

The Watford Rural Parish Council representative said she now hoped to stand for UKIP in the coming Three Rivers District Council elections.

Speaking to the Watford Observer, Councillor Day said: "I believe it was the right thing to do.

"I think we need radical change and I think there is going to be big, big change. Everybody is fed up with what is happening.

"If you think about it politics affects everybody. Whether you vote or don’t vote it affects everybody in the county and I honestly believe in the 2015 General Election the big issue will be immigration. My belief is we need stricter controls.

"I also don’t believe in the EU. Why should they dictate to us?"

Councillor Day, who quit the Conservatives last year and spent a period as an independent, has previously stood as a Tory candidate in the Three Rivers ward of Oxhey Hall.

In 2011 she came a close second to the Liberal Democrats, losing by just by 41 votes. She then stood for the district council in the same ward in 2012 but this time the Lib Dems won with an increased majority of 203.

In 2012 UKIP also fielded a candidate in Oxhey Hall and came fourth with 69 votes.

Councillor Day, 58, who works for a London council, said she had no animosity towards her former Conservative colleague and her decision had been informed by national policy concerns.

She also said she still held Watford’s Conservative MP Richard Harrington in high esteem.

She added: "I could not go along with it any more - with their policies. We were promised a referendum and he (the Prime Minister David Cameron) broke that promise and we won’t get it until 2017.

"No offence to Richard Harrington, I have got nothing against Richard."

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5:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

BrianUKIP says...

Welcome Diana.

Will the last person at the Watford Conservatives please remember to turn the light out.

Apart from “Harrington’s Hoodies” who’s left?
Welcome Diana. Will the last person at the Watford Conservatives please remember to turn the light out. Apart from “Harrington’s Hoodies” who’s left? BrianUKIP
  • Score: 20

6:09pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Nick Lincoln says...

Welcome aboard Diane!
Welcome aboard Diane! Nick Lincoln
  • Score: 11

7:27pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Welcome to UKIP Diane.
Welcome to UKIP Diane. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 11

8:07pm Tue 4 Feb 14

JohnnyHornet says...

Rather than let the old conservative club go to rack and ruin, we'll buy it for 10 bob.
Rather than let the old conservative club go to rack and ruin, we'll buy it for 10 bob. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 4

8:17pm Tue 4 Feb 14

John Slade UKIP says...

Welcome Diane, Another Tory who has seen the light rather than live in denial.
Welcome Diane, Another Tory who has seen the light rather than live in denial. John Slade UKIP
  • Score: 12

8:39pm Tue 4 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Nice to have you on board Diane.
Nice to have you on board Diane. D_Penn
  • Score: 9

9:14pm Tue 4 Feb 14

pr76uk says...

TRDC has an excellent service record. If the EU referendum affects our bins, then I'm interested. Else this silly woman has no consequence.
TRDC has an excellent service record. If the EU referendum affects our bins, then I'm interested. Else this silly woman has no consequence. pr76uk
  • Score: -9

9:58pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Sara says...

Strange, because Diane Day announced that she had left the Conservatives 11 months ago,along with colleague Brian Jukes.
Strange, because Diane Day announced that she had left the Conservatives 11 months ago,along with colleague Brian Jukes. Sara
  • Score: 1

10:54pm Tue 4 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Sara wrote:
Strange, because Diane Day announced that she had left the Conservatives 11 months ago,along with colleague Brian Jukes.
oops you can't go saying that you will upset the UKIP coup and net negative votes.
Another Tory goes to another Tory party no news there then WO
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Strange, because Diane Day announced that she had left the Conservatives 11 months ago,along with colleague Brian Jukes.[/p][/quote]oops you can't go saying that you will upset the UKIP coup and net negative votes. Another Tory goes to another Tory party no news there then WO dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

10:58pm Tue 4 Feb 14

theguitarman says...

BrianUKIP wrote:
Welcome Diana.

Will the last person at the Watford Conservatives please remember to turn the light out.

Apart from “Harrington’s Hoodies” who’s left?
Good to see BrianUKIP can get it right, Her Name is Diane not Diana !!
Good start Brain, sorry Brian.
[quote][p][bold]BrianUKIP[/bold] wrote: Welcome Diana. Will the last person at the Watford Conservatives please remember to turn the light out. Apart from “Harrington’s Hoodies” who’s left?[/p][/quote]Good to see BrianUKIP can get it right, Her Name is Diane not Diana !! Good start Brain, sorry Brian. theguitarman
  • Score: 0

10:59pm Tue 4 Feb 14

theguitarman says...

Sara wrote:
Strange, because Diane Day announced that she had left the Conservatives 11 months ago,along with colleague Brian Jukes.
That's right, she did, now what was it gay marriages I think that time.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Strange, because Diane Day announced that she had left the Conservatives 11 months ago,along with colleague Brian Jukes.[/p][/quote]That's right, she did, now what was it gay marriages I think that time. theguitarman
  • Score: 4

4:03am Wed 5 Feb 14

hitch99 says...

UKIP are idiots
UKIP are idiots hitch99
  • Score: -9

4:08am Wed 5 Feb 14

hitch99 says...

UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.
UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other. hitch99
  • Score: -7

8:04am Wed 5 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

pr76uk wrote:
TRDC has an excellent service record. If the EU referendum affects our bins, then I'm interested. Else this silly woman has no consequence.
It affects your bins.
[quote][p][bold]pr76uk[/bold] wrote: TRDC has an excellent service record. If the EU referendum affects our bins, then I'm interested. Else this silly woman has no consequence.[/p][/quote]It affects your bins. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

8:56am Wed 5 Feb 14

not a regular says...

hitch99 wrote:
UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.
Wrong: Tories. Labour. Lib Dems. All as bad as eachother.

Vote UKIP to fire a warning shot to the big three. Their time is done in this country after years of mismanagement and corruption.

UKIP aren't perfect but they're a **** sight better than the dross we've been exposed to over the years.
[quote][p][bold]hitch99[/bold] wrote: UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]Wrong: Tories. Labour. Lib Dems. All as bad as eachother. Vote UKIP to fire a warning shot to the big three. Their time is done in this country after years of mismanagement and corruption. UKIP aren't perfect but they're a **** sight better than the dross we've been exposed to over the years. not a regular
  • Score: 4

12:37pm Wed 5 Feb 14

garston tony says...

So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing.

Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?
So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing. Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours? garston tony
  • Score: 4

12:41pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Sara says...

No @garstontony she has sat as an Independent in the meantime.
No @garstontony she has sat as an Independent in the meantime. Sara
  • Score: 3

1:32pm Wed 5 Feb 14

not a regular says...

garston tony wrote:
So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing. Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?
Why? Perhaps people should be voting for the individual and how they operate as a councillor, rather than blindly voting for what colour tie they have on?
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing. Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?[/p][/quote]Why? Perhaps people should be voting for the individual and how they operate as a councillor, rather than blindly voting for what colour tie they have on? not a regular
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Wed 5 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

garston tony wrote:
So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing.

Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?
switching parties is one thing, becoming an independent is another and under some circumstances I can understand the Later, and even think it is the right thing.
In relation to important EU elections I would note on this that of the 13 MEps elected from lists for the UKIP party only 9 now hold the UKIP whip.
I am constantly told that UKIP are not a Tory party and would warn people thinking of vetoing UKIP in Mays elections; you might end up with a Tory because most of these former UKIP MEPs are now Tory.
Quite how this is morally justified on a list system eludes.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing. Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?[/p][/quote]switching parties is one thing, becoming an independent is another and under some circumstances I can understand the Later, and even think it is the right thing. In relation to important EU elections I would note on this that of the 13 MEps elected from lists for the UKIP party only 9 now hold the UKIP whip. I am constantly told that UKIP are not a Tory party and would warn people thinking of vetoing UKIP in Mays elections; you might end up with a Tory because most of these former UKIP MEPs are now Tory. Quite how this is morally justified on a list system eludes. dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

2:29pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
garston tony wrote:
So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing.

Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?
switching parties is one thing, becoming an independent is another and under some circumstances I can understand the Later, and even think it is the right thing.
In relation to important EU elections I would note on this that of the 13 MEps elected from lists for the UKIP party only 9 now hold the UKIP whip.
I am constantly told that UKIP are not a Tory party and would warn people thinking of vetoing UKIP in Mays elections; you might end up with a Tory because most of these former UKIP MEPs are now Tory.
Quite how this is morally justified on a list system eludes.
Scare tactics?

Nice try but no-one who will vote UKIP believes you. Even your own supporters don't believe you - they are leaving LAbour and joining Ukip.

Vote UKIP - Get UKIP.

Vote Labour - Get more EU

Diane raises an interesting point

"I also don’t believe in the EU. Why should they dictate to us?"

- care to explain why the EU should dictate to us, DKYN?

Why should people vote Labour for more EU?

Didn't the Labour party sign us up to the worst EU treaty of all, the Lisbon treaty just before being kicked rightly out of office having bankrupted this country?

Didn't the Labour party sign us up to bailing out the EURO - which we are not even part of - just before being kicked out of office?

What was that - spite at losing the election from your own Labour incompetence?

Answers DKYN, answers. The people should be told why Labour is worth even one vote.

You're the Labour expert. You tell us.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing. Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?[/p][/quote]switching parties is one thing, becoming an independent is another and under some circumstances I can understand the Later, and even think it is the right thing. In relation to important EU elections I would note on this that of the 13 MEps elected from lists for the UKIP party only 9 now hold the UKIP whip. I am constantly told that UKIP are not a Tory party and would warn people thinking of vetoing UKIP in Mays elections; you might end up with a Tory because most of these former UKIP MEPs are now Tory. Quite how this is morally justified on a list system eludes.[/p][/quote]Scare tactics? Nice try but no-one who will vote UKIP believes you. Even your own supporters don't believe you - they are leaving LAbour and joining Ukip. Vote UKIP - Get UKIP. Vote Labour - Get more EU Diane raises an interesting point "I also don’t believe in the EU. Why should they dictate to us?" - care to explain why the EU should dictate to us, DKYN? Why should people vote Labour for more EU? Didn't the Labour party sign us up to the worst EU treaty of all, the Lisbon treaty just before being kicked rightly out of office having bankrupted this country? Didn't the Labour party sign us up to bailing out the EURO - which we are not even part of - just before being kicked out of office? What was that - spite at losing the election from your own Labour incompetence? Answers DKYN, answers. The people should be told why Labour is worth even one vote. You're the Labour expert. You tell us. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Wed 5 Feb 14

garston tony says...

not a regular wrote:
garston tony wrote: So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing. Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?
Why? Perhaps people should be voting for the individual and how they operate as a councillor, rather than blindly voting for what colour tie they have on?
Maybe they should (although that is another debate), maybe some do but most people I would say dont vote for the individual but for the party.

So the answer to your question 'why' is that if the electorate vote in someone because they want a (in this case) conservative cllr then it is quite right that they have a (in this case) conservative cllr until at least the next election. The individual cllr should have no right to ignore and overide the voters wishes by changing colours and denying them what they voted for. That is not democratic.

UKIP now have a cllr in Oxhey when NO ONE voted for one. That is not democratic.

The right thing to do is for the cllr in question to resign (and I would say I would apply this to all levels including MP's) to allow the electorate to then vote for the person/party of their choice. Anything else is not democratic
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: So if she already jumped ship a year ago, does that mean she returned to the Conservatives in between in order to jump ship again now? Confusing. Just a thought but if someone is elected in as a member of a particular party (or independant) and they decide to change colours shouldnt there actually be a fresh election for that post? As nice as she probably is as a person its likely people voted for her based on her being a conservative and those peoples votes have in effect now been stolen. We quite rightly protest about vote rigging in other countries, so why do we allow it in ours?[/p][/quote]Why? Perhaps people should be voting for the individual and how they operate as a councillor, rather than blindly voting for what colour tie they have on?[/p][/quote]Maybe they should (although that is another debate), maybe some do but most people I would say dont vote for the individual but for the party. So the answer to your question 'why' is that if the electorate vote in someone because they want a (in this case) conservative cllr then it is quite right that they have a (in this case) conservative cllr until at least the next election. The individual cllr should have no right to ignore and overide the voters wishes by changing colours and denying them what they voted for. That is not democratic. UKIP now have a cllr in Oxhey when NO ONE voted for one. That is not democratic. The right thing to do is for the cllr in question to resign (and I would say I would apply this to all levels including MP's) to allow the electorate to then vote for the person/party of their choice. Anything else is not democratic garston tony
  • Score: -1

2:48pm Wed 5 Feb 14

garston tony says...

Sara wrote:
No @garstontony she has sat as an Independent in the meantime.
So this story is misleading, she has not resigned from the conservative party and defected to UKIP. She resigned from the Conservative party and became independent. A year later she has chosen to stop being an independent and stand for UKIP.

The reality is rather different to the way it is being spun isnt it
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: No @garstontony she has sat as an Independent in the meantime.[/p][/quote]So this story is misleading, she has not resigned from the conservative party and defected to UKIP. She resigned from the Conservative party and became independent. A year later she has chosen to stop being an independent and stand for UKIP. The reality is rather different to the way it is being spun isnt it garston tony
  • Score: 9

3:15pm Wed 5 Feb 14

theguitarman says...

garston tony wrote:
Sara wrote:
No @garstontony she has sat as an Independent in the meantime.
So this story is misleading, she has not resigned from the conservative party and defected to UKIP. She resigned from the Conservative party and became independent. A year later she has chosen to stop being an independent and stand for UKIP.

The reality is rather different to the way it is being spun isnt it
Yes, Garston Tony is totally correct. I am unsure how many parish council meetings she has attended. It would be interesting to know.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: No @garstontony she has sat as an Independent in the meantime.[/p][/quote]So this story is misleading, she has not resigned from the conservative party and defected to UKIP. She resigned from the Conservative party and became independent. A year later she has chosen to stop being an independent and stand for UKIP. The reality is rather different to the way it is being spun isnt it[/p][/quote]Yes, Garston Tony is totally correct. I am unsure how many parish council meetings she has attended. It would be interesting to know. theguitarman
  • Score: 0

3:51pm Wed 5 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

So phil Cox you are sounding a bit Irate and your questions are a bit funny


"- care to explain why the EU should dictate to us, DKYN?"
I really do not see whare you are coming from on this maybe you would like to expand?

Why should people vote Labour for more EU?

Because the EU is a good thing that has improved health and safety in the workplace, brought in legislation on workers rights and has helped open up business ops for UK industry. More importantly it has updated my fundamental rights and frankly our last bill of rights was 1689 this is long overdue

Didn't the Labour party sign us up to the worst EU treaty of all, the Lisbon treaty just before being kicked rightly out of office having bankrupted this country?
That assumes that the Lisbon treaty was both bad and more significant than its parents and grandparents the Maastericht treaty and single European act, it was not.
Further there is the not insignificant matter of the global financial crises, being directly linked to the US sub prime mortgage market and the behavior of banks in the US and Global market, the tipping point being Lehmans bank.
As for the notion that this country was bankrupt it was not, the last Labour Gov handled the global crises very skilfully, irrespective of the spin you may put on it they saved the banking system, provided a global lead on preventing the sovereign debt crises turning into catastrophe and when they left office the economy was growing.

Further had this country been bankrupted we would first have had to default on our debts, no such thing has happened, in fact the last tech default on UK debt was when the rate of return of WW1 war bonds was cut unilaterally by the gov. As an aside the biggest debt transgressors of the 2oth C or ever for that matter are Germany (interwar debt in 33 1954 london debt conf and reunification debt in 1990) Ironically including a large chunk of debt to Greece whos Gold reserves Germany plundered in WW2.

Didn't the Labour party sign us up to bailing out the EURO - which we are not even part of - just before being kicked out of office?

And what would have happened had we not?????

What was that - spite at losing the election from your own Labour incompetence?
You know what there was no incompetence, Labour just happened to be at the helm when the hurricane struck and despite the GLOBAL CRISES no other party won the election.
So phil Cox you are sounding a bit Irate and your questions are a bit funny "- care to explain why the EU should dictate to us, DKYN?" I really do not see whare you are coming from on this maybe you would like to expand? Why should people vote Labour for more EU? Because the EU is a good thing that has improved health and safety in the workplace, brought in legislation on workers rights and has helped open up business ops for UK industry. More importantly it has updated my fundamental rights and frankly our last bill of rights was 1689 this is long overdue Didn't the Labour party sign us up to the worst EU treaty of all, the Lisbon treaty just before being kicked rightly out of office having bankrupted this country? That assumes that the Lisbon treaty was both bad and more significant than its parents and grandparents the Maastericht treaty and single European act, it was not. Further there is the not insignificant matter of the global financial crises, being directly linked to the US sub prime mortgage market and the behavior of banks in the US and Global market, the tipping point being Lehmans bank. As for the notion that this country was bankrupt it was not, the last Labour Gov handled the global crises very skilfully, irrespective of the spin you may put on it they saved the banking system, provided a global lead on preventing the sovereign debt crises turning into catastrophe and when they left office the economy was growing. Further had this country been bankrupted we would first have had to default on our debts, no such thing has happened, in fact the last tech default on UK debt was when the rate of return of WW1 war bonds was cut unilaterally by the gov. As an aside the biggest debt transgressors of the 2oth C or ever for that matter are Germany (interwar debt in 33 1954 london debt conf and reunification debt in 1990) Ironically including a large chunk of debt to Greece whos Gold reserves Germany plundered in WW2. Didn't the Labour party sign us up to bailing out the EURO - which we are not even part of - just before being kicked out of office? And what would have happened had we not????? What was that - spite at losing the election from your own Labour incompetence? You know what there was no incompetence, Labour just happened to be at the helm when the hurricane struck and despite the GLOBAL CRISES no other party won the election. dontknowynot
  • Score: -6

3:59pm Wed 5 Feb 14

John Slade UKIP says...

not a regular wrote:
hitch99 wrote:
UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.
Wrong: Tories. Labour. Lib Dems. All as bad as eachother.

Vote UKIP to fire a warning shot to the big three. Their time is done in this country after years of mismanagement and corruption.

UKIP aren't perfect but they're a **** sight better than the dross we've been exposed to over the years.
I'm surprised, there was me thinking that the Tories, Labour & the Lib Dems were all the same and had formed the European National Party. There's certainly no room for a fag paper between them.
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hitch99[/bold] wrote: UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]Wrong: Tories. Labour. Lib Dems. All as bad as eachother. Vote UKIP to fire a warning shot to the big three. Their time is done in this country after years of mismanagement and corruption. UKIP aren't perfect but they're a **** sight better than the dross we've been exposed to over the years.[/p][/quote]I'm surprised, there was me thinking that the Tories, Labour & the Lib Dems were all the same and had formed the European National Party. There's certainly no room for a fag paper between them. John Slade UKIP
  • Score: 6

4:44pm Wed 5 Feb 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

hitch99 wrote:
UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.
Nonsense. Don't talk wet. UKIP want out of the EU, Tories want in. How bad can that be?
[quote][p][bold]hitch99[/bold] wrote: UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. Don't talk wet. UKIP want out of the EU, Tories want in. How bad can that be? EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 7

4:46pm Wed 5 Feb 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

Welcome Diane Day. Great news indeed for UKIP.
Welcome Diane Day. Great news indeed for UKIP. EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 4

5:10pm Wed 5 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

EU_OUT_NOW wrote:
hitch99 wrote:
UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.
Nonsense. Don't talk wet. UKIP want out of the EU, Tories want in. How bad can that be?
Now sit down, brace yourself, no no you are not dreaming EU-out

I agree

The Tory party will if elected will either
a) come back with the slightest token , the tiniest crumb and say we are wonderful look at the deal we have got no referendum.
or
b) see a)

that is no referendum forthcoming

The only party's that want out of the EU are UKIP, maybe the communist party and socialist workers or some such, The idea that the Tory party will ever take us out of Europe is utter nonsense, they took us in without a referendum, then ihelped create the EU out of the EEC, went on to create the EMU and the EURO, they may talk the talk on Euro realism/skepticism but don't expect them to do the Walk - It just won't happen!!!
[quote][p][bold]EU_OUT_NOW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hitch99[/bold] wrote: UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. Don't talk wet. UKIP want out of the EU, Tories want in. How bad can that be?[/p][/quote]Now sit down, brace yourself, no no you are not dreaming EU-out I agree The Tory party will if elected will either a) come back with the slightest token , the tiniest crumb and say we are wonderful look at the deal we have got no referendum. or b) see a) that is no referendum forthcoming The only party's that want out of the EU are UKIP, maybe the communist party and socialist workers or some such, The idea that the Tory party will ever take us out of Europe is utter nonsense, they took us in without a referendum, then ihelped create the EU out of the EEC, went on to create the EMU and the EURO, they may talk the talk on Euro realism/skepticism but don't expect them to do the Walk - It just won't happen!!! dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

5:31pm Wed 5 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

@dontknowynot

You said: "Because the EU is a good thing that has improved health and safety in the workplace, brought in legislation on workers rights and has helped open up business ops for UK industry. More importantly it has updated my fundamental rights and frankly our last bill of rights was 1689 this is long overdue"

You speak as though the UK was incapable of doing these things on our own. We do not need the EU acting as our mummy and dictating to us like little children. For hundreds of years we managed to pretty much make laws for ourselves that fitted in with Britain's needs. Not perfect, but at least if the government fouled up the electorate could deal with them.

As for worker's rights, in many countries across the EU, workers would like to have any job at all! Before the EU's utter economic failure, people across Europe were prospering, now look at the state of it all. Proud historic countries like Spain have over 50% youth unemployment!

That's the problem with the biased pro-worker socialist approach. You are so anti-business that you want to dictate rules to firms all the time and in the end, businesses go elsewhere where there is less interference taking jobs with them. Why do you think we have seen so many jobs flow out of Europe and into rising economies across the world in the last 20 years? It's directly the fault of the EU's obsession with workers before business.

Now before you start spitting that I'm all right-wing pro-business, just wait a minute and listen.

When I was growing up I saw what the best method was to stop bad business taking advantage of workers. I have lived through the time when there was full employment. There had never a period in history when ordinary workers were so well off. Firms were desperate for workers and paid good wages, ensured good conditions because if they didn't there was always another business down the road ready to take the worker on at a moment's notice and usually with better pay.

It taught me an important fact. That the best way to look after workers is to make sure that there are plenty of jobs available. Then state bashing of businesses and legislation are absolutely unnecessary because when jobs are plentyful bad businesses cannot get workers and go under.

I would like to say full employment is therefore perfect, but as the seventies showed, workers became as greedy as employers when they were in the driving seat and strikes and rampant pay rises soon started to kill off the golden years as we became globally uncompetitive.

Ever since, my view is that any government must not be pro-business or pro-worker but achieve a balance where it is in the favour of neither to try to be greedy. That is the route to prosperity and it is a fact that UK governments and the EU have spectacularly failed to appreciate that their biased approach has been gradually undermining Britain and the effect is becoming clear in that now we are dooming young people in the UK to a future where they will be poorer than their parents and find permanent well paid jobs hard to find and keep.

So in future posts DKYN, please bear in mind that just because I am anti-EU does not mean I am right wing and don't care about ordinary workers. I do. It's just that I can see that the EU will continue undermining business which will permanently keep unemployment high and worker's wages low.
@dontknowynot You said: "Because the EU is a good thing that has improved health and safety in the workplace, brought in legislation on workers rights and has helped open up business ops for UK industry. More importantly it has updated my fundamental rights and frankly our last bill of rights was 1689 this is long overdue" You speak as though the UK was incapable of doing these things on our own. We do not need the EU acting as our mummy and dictating to us like little children. For hundreds of years we managed to pretty much make laws for ourselves that fitted in with Britain's needs. Not perfect, but at least if the government fouled up the electorate could deal with them. As for worker's rights, in many countries across the EU, workers would like to have any job at all! Before the EU's utter economic failure, people across Europe were prospering, now look at the state of it all. Proud historic countries like Spain have over 50% youth unemployment! That's the problem with the biased pro-worker socialist approach. You are so anti-business that you want to dictate rules to firms all the time and in the end, businesses go elsewhere where there is less interference taking jobs with them. Why do you think we have seen so many jobs flow out of Europe and into rising economies across the world in the last 20 years? It's directly the fault of the EU's obsession with workers before business. Now before you start spitting that I'm all right-wing pro-business, just wait a minute and listen. When I was growing up I saw what the best method was to stop bad business taking advantage of workers. I have lived through the time when there was full employment. There had never a period in history when ordinary workers were so well off. Firms were desperate for workers and paid good wages, ensured good conditions because if they didn't there was always another business down the road ready to take the worker on at a moment's notice and usually with better pay. It taught me an important fact. That the best way to look after workers is to make sure that there are plenty of jobs available. Then state bashing of businesses and legislation are absolutely unnecessary because when jobs are plentyful bad businesses cannot get workers and go under. I would like to say full employment is therefore perfect, but as the seventies showed, workers became as greedy as employers when they were in the driving seat and strikes and rampant pay rises soon started to kill off the golden years as we became globally uncompetitive. Ever since, my view is that any government must not be pro-business or pro-worker but achieve a balance where it is in the favour of neither to try to be greedy. That is the route to prosperity and it is a fact that UK governments and the EU have spectacularly failed to appreciate that their biased approach has been gradually undermining Britain and the effect is becoming clear in that now we are dooming young people in the UK to a future where they will be poorer than their parents and find permanent well paid jobs hard to find and keep. So in future posts DKYN, please bear in mind that just because I am anti-EU does not mean I am right wing and don't care about ordinary workers. I do. It's just that I can see that the EU will continue undermining business which will permanently keep unemployment high and worker's wages low. D_Penn
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Wed 5 Feb 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

dontknowynot wrote:
EU_OUT_NOW wrote:
hitch99 wrote:
UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.
Nonsense. Don't talk wet. UKIP want out of the EU, Tories want in. How bad can that be?
Now sit down, brace yourself, no no you are not dreaming EU-out

I agree

The Tory party will if elected will either
a) come back with the slightest token , the tiniest crumb and say we are wonderful look at the deal we have got no referendum.
or
b) see a)

that is no referendum forthcoming

The only party's that want out of the EU are UKIP, maybe the communist party and socialist workers or some such, The idea that the Tory party will ever take us out of Europe is utter nonsense, they took us in without a referendum, then ihelped create the EU out of the EEC, went on to create the EMU and the EURO, they may talk the talk on Euro realism/skepticism but don't expect them to do the Walk - It just won't happen!!!
I am staggered, we never agree! It's a matter of principal that we fight on here...):):):):):...
...... I'm glad I was sitting down when I read it. Thank you anyway. You are right the Tories will sell us out. Does that mean you will now join UKIP? All the other parties are pro EU.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EU_OUT_NOW[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hitch99[/bold] wrote: UKIP. Tories. Both as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. Don't talk wet. UKIP want out of the EU, Tories want in. How bad can that be?[/p][/quote]Now sit down, brace yourself, no no you are not dreaming EU-out I agree The Tory party will if elected will either a) come back with the slightest token , the tiniest crumb and say we are wonderful look at the deal we have got no referendum. or b) see a) that is no referendum forthcoming The only party's that want out of the EU are UKIP, maybe the communist party and socialist workers or some such, The idea that the Tory party will ever take us out of Europe is utter nonsense, they took us in without a referendum, then ihelped create the EU out of the EEC, went on to create the EMU and the EURO, they may talk the talk on Euro realism/skepticism but don't expect them to do the Walk - It just won't happen!!![/p][/quote]I am staggered, we never agree! It's a matter of principal that we fight on here...):):):):):... ...... I'm glad I was sitting down when I read it. Thank you anyway. You are right the Tories will sell us out. Does that mean you will now join UKIP? All the other parties are pro EU. EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 4

6:43pm Wed 5 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@dP
will get back to you
but just wondering do those idiot Libdems think that their endorsement of anything in a party broadcast with Clegg going on and on will do anything other than make people vote for the opposite.
I am now reckoning Clegg is your biggest asset
@dP will get back to you but just wondering do those idiot Libdems think that their endorsement of anything in a party broadcast with Clegg going on and on will do anything other than make people vote for the opposite. I am now reckoning Clegg is your biggest asset dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

6:53pm Wed 5 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
@dP will get back to you but just wondering do those idiot Libdems think that their endorsement of anything in a party broadcast with Clegg going on and on will do anything other than make people vote for the opposite. I am now reckoning Clegg is your biggest asset
Yes, we are planning on giving him a special award for the magnificent help he's given us in recent years,

Tonight, they may as well open with "This is a Party Political Broadcast to assist the growth of UKIP." I expect our office will remain open late to deal with new membership applications that will pour in.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @dP will get back to you but just wondering do those idiot Libdems think that their endorsement of anything in a party broadcast with Clegg going on and on will do anything other than make people vote for the opposite. I am now reckoning Clegg is your biggest asset[/p][/quote]Yes, we are planning on giving him a special award for the magnificent help he's given us in recent years, Tonight, they may as well open with "This is a Party Political Broadcast to assist the growth of UKIP." I expect our office will remain open late to deal with new membership applications that will pour in. D_Penn
  • Score: -1

7:21pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Michael Siveyer says...

Excellent news, we will be doing everything we can in this local branch to ensure a victory for Diane in the Three Rivers district council election on 22nd May.
Cllr Michael Siveyer Chair UKIP SWHERTS
Excellent news, we will be doing everything we can in this local branch to ensure a victory for Diane in the Three Rivers district council election on 22nd May. Cllr Michael Siveyer Chair UKIP SWHERTS Michael Siveyer
  • Score: -3

7:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

pr76uk says...

So how does LOCALLY having a UKIP councillor affect my bins? Will she have the power to pull us out of Europe?

Or is it in fact pointless having national politics involved in local government?
So how does LOCALLY having a UKIP councillor affect my bins? Will she have the power to pull us out of Europe? Or is it in fact pointless having national politics involved in local government? pr76uk
  • Score: 3

9:06pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

pr76uk wrote:
So how does LOCALLY having a UKIP councillor affect my bins? Will she have the power to pull us out of Europe?

Or is it in fact pointless having national politics involved in local government?
She will be part of a growing political body that will eventually pull us out of the EU.

Then we can make our own minds up on what taxes we want and what laws we want to live by and all the other things the Labour and Conservative parties have given away over the years since we joined a common trading group.

National politics can be bad at local level if the party follows political dogma instead of doing what is right for the local people.

Diane will be standing for UKIP, which allows her to put people and town first, party second.
[quote][p][bold]pr76uk[/bold] wrote: So how does LOCALLY having a UKIP councillor affect my bins? Will she have the power to pull us out of Europe? Or is it in fact pointless having national politics involved in local government?[/p][/quote]She will be part of a growing political body that will eventually pull us out of the EU. Then we can make our own minds up on what taxes we want and what laws we want to live by and all the other things the Labour and Conservative parties have given away over the years since we joined a common trading group. National politics can be bad at local level if the party follows political dogma instead of doing what is right for the local people. Diane will be standing for UKIP, which allows her to put people and town first, party second. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

9:33pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Jack18 says...

Great to hear Diane, good luck to you and I hope more local council lots will defect to UKIP, the party of common sence.

That aside, DKYN on numerous occasions, both your comments on here so far as well as the one about Phil Cox, you seem to not recognise what UKIP do both locally and nationally.
Great to hear Diane, good luck to you and I hope more local council lots will defect to UKIP, the party of common sence. That aside, DKYN on numerous occasions, both your comments on here so far as well as the one about Phil Cox, you seem to not recognise what UKIP do both locally and nationally. Jack18
  • Score: -1

10:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Jack18 wrote:
Great to hear Diane, good luck to you and I hope more local council lots will defect to UKIP, the party of common sence.

That aside, DKYN on numerous occasions, both your comments on here so far as well as the one about Phil Cox, you seem to not recognise what UKIP do both locally and nationally.
Locally in watford they do very little , in local gov in Watford they do nothing, in National Gov they do nothing, so we have the MEPs
Frankly I find these to be people I totally disagree with' of 3 that UKIP MEP's I am aware of being elected for Eastern region I was done for Fraud another defected to the conservatives the remaining MEP Agnew? seems to have taken over from Bloom as the UKIP foot in mouth MEP. Apart from that he seems to be interested in farming an extension perhaps of his NFU background or plantation background in Rhodesia, but hardly an advocate for the interests towns such as Watford Luton, or Ipswich and Norwich in the same way as say Howitt sp? is for Labour.
My assumptions of UKIP policy have been drawn from reading their publications now I understand that these are rubbish according to the Leader of the party, but I am certain that locally in Watford in essence they do didley squat.
[quote][p][bold]Jack18[/bold] wrote: Great to hear Diane, good luck to you and I hope more local council lots will defect to UKIP, the party of common sence. That aside, DKYN on numerous occasions, both your comments on here so far as well as the one about Phil Cox, you seem to not recognise what UKIP do both locally and nationally.[/p][/quote]Locally in watford they do very little , in local gov in Watford they do nothing, in National Gov they do nothing, so we have the MEPs Frankly I find these to be people I totally disagree with' of 3 that UKIP MEP's I am aware of being elected for Eastern region I was done for Fraud another defected to the conservatives the remaining MEP Agnew? seems to have taken over from Bloom as the UKIP foot in mouth MEP. Apart from that he seems to be interested in farming an extension perhaps of his NFU background or plantation background in Rhodesia, but hardly an advocate for the interests towns such as Watford Luton, or Ipswich and Norwich in the same way as say Howitt sp? is for Labour. My assumptions of UKIP policy have been drawn from reading their publications now I understand that these are rubbish according to the Leader of the party, but I am certain that locally in Watford in essence they do didley squat. dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

10:20pm Wed 5 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

That said their support for Fracking would mean I abserloutly would not vote for them in a County Election, where they may get a vote, and would urge anyone to take this issue into consideration in County Elections.
That said their support for Fracking would mean I abserloutly would not vote for them in a County Election, where they may get a vote, and would urge anyone to take this issue into consideration in County Elections. dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

10:21pm Wed 5 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

&@ dontknowynot: The trouble is that until we are elected it is easy for somebody like you to say we do nothing.

We are doing something. We are building support so that we can kick parties like yours out of their complacency and replace their contempt for the electorate with the only thing that truly scares them. Loss of their seats.

Already, at national level, you can see the old parties falling over themselves to try to promise all sorts of change on Europe just because of the fear they have of UKIP's success, so we are already having a big effect. Hardly doing nothing.

So if you think we are doing little now and we are already clobbering you, just imagine your fate once we start getting elected and at last the electorate begin getting representatives who actually do what they want!

As for MEP Stuart Agnew, I trust you came along to his talks when he was here in Watford recently. As he represents you and you are clearly unhappy I am sure you managed to find the time to come along and put your questions to him. Or, just as you refuse to meet us, did you stick to your head-in-sand mantra of 'you knows wot you knows' and moan from afar without seeking out the reality?
&@ dontknowynot: The trouble is that until we are elected it is easy for somebody like you to say we do nothing. We are doing something. We are building support so that we can kick parties like yours out of their complacency and replace their contempt for the electorate with the only thing that truly scares them. Loss of their seats. Already, at national level, you can see the old parties falling over themselves to try to promise all sorts of change on Europe just because of the fear they have of UKIP's success, so we are already having a big effect. Hardly doing nothing. So if you think we are doing little now and we are already clobbering you, just imagine your fate once we start getting elected and at last the electorate begin getting representatives who actually do what they want! As for MEP Stuart Agnew, I trust you came along to his talks when he was here in Watford recently. As he represents you and you are clearly unhappy I am sure you managed to find the time to come along and put your questions to him. Or, just as you refuse to meet us, did you stick to your head-in-sand mantra of 'you knows wot you knows' and moan from afar without seeking out the reality? D_Penn
  • Score: 2

10:24pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Jack18 says...

Locally, UKIP will give public power first, not the part itself. Nationally, more people from Tories and Labour have defected to UKIP because I can imagine they are fed up with the constant lies being told by both party leaders.
Locally, UKIP will give public power first, not the part itself. Nationally, more people from Tories and Labour have defected to UKIP because I can imagine they are fed up with the constant lies being told by both party leaders. Jack18
  • Score: 0

10:38pm Wed 5 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
That said their support for Fracking would mean I abserloutly would not vote for them in a County Election, where they may get a vote, and would urge anyone to take this issue into consideration in County Elections.
We are in a total mess energy wise and in a very expensive hole thanks to fourteen years of Labour in government who were so scared of the Greens that they did nothing but build useless windmills and agree with the EU that we would schedule shut down of power stations but build no replacements.

So vote for Labour if you want even more extortionate energy bills and buy candles for the winter ready for when the lights go out.

You can trust Labour - to screw it all up.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: That said their support for Fracking would mean I abserloutly would not vote for them in a County Election, where they may get a vote, and would urge anyone to take this issue into consideration in County Elections.[/p][/quote]We are in a total mess energy wise and in a very expensive hole thanks to fourteen years of Labour in government who were so scared of the Greens that they did nothing but build useless windmills and agree with the EU that we would schedule shut down of power stations but build no replacements. So vote for Labour if you want even more extortionate energy bills and buy candles for the winter ready for when the lights go out. You can trust Labour - to screw it all up. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

2:01am Thu 6 Feb 14

Honest Rog says...

To address just one of UKRAP's ridiculous mantras popular with their tabloid informed fans; viz "This country hasn't got any room for more people". I challenge them to go to any London rail terminus and board a train in any direction. After 20 minutes even the most blinkered xenophobe will see no dwellings in any direction for miles. Having accepted this, maybe they would then give a more tangible reason for their fear of Johnny foreigner.
Welcome to the Mad Hatter's tea party Diane.
To address just one of UKRAP's ridiculous mantras popular with their tabloid informed fans; viz "This country hasn't got any room for more people". I challenge them to go to any London rail terminus and board a train in any direction. After 20 minutes even the most blinkered xenophobe will see no dwellings in any direction for miles. Having accepted this, maybe they would then give a more tangible reason for their fear of Johnny foreigner. Welcome to the Mad Hatter's tea party Diane. Honest Rog
  • Score: -5

7:07am Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@D_pen
I can see why your party wants it both ways, wants to use a Tory script and say its not a Tory party but you know what it doesn't work.
For example your portrayal of the problems of the 70's is straight out of the Tory handbook and as such ignores the Barber Boom; and oil price shocks that stoked inflation and fostered industrial unrest all over Europe and America.
If you look at recent opinion polls run by Yougov you will find that the trend for your support is significantly weakening in favor of the Tory party, this is indicative of your support being a fickle Tory vote, they expect a Tory Party and Your leaders know that is what they have to give them.
If you look at this cllr you will find the reason she left was due to the Tory party line on gay Marriage, not a local issue at all, given your party's Loss of one MEP over issues to do with homophobia and the recent Gay weather UKIP storm I find it somewhat surprising your party wants her.
The one expensive solution to electricity everyone on the right seems to like is nuclear It seems so ridiculously expensive and no one can ever tell me when we will sop paying for the first KWH produced, because they don't know. It is expensive to produce, expensive to deal with the waste and expensive to deal with decommissioning.
Pumping a mix of water and chemicals into the ground at high pressure to fracture compressed shale and rock and release gas seems crazzy, yet we are reassured by the industry that it is safe, but the industry is not going to have to get Liability insurance for if things go wrong in this country, the gov that's us will have to pick up the tab. And you say Wind Energy is expensive.
Your contention on the cost of wind energy might need some backing up because compared to the cost this gov has committed us to paying for Nuclear it doesn't necessarily hold true.
@D_pen I can see why your party wants it both ways, wants to use a Tory script and say its not a Tory party but you know what it doesn't work. For example your portrayal of the problems of the 70's is straight out of the Tory handbook and as such ignores the Barber Boom; and oil price shocks that stoked inflation and fostered industrial unrest all over Europe and America. If you look at recent opinion polls run by Yougov you will find that the trend for your support is significantly weakening in favor of the Tory party, this is indicative of your support being a fickle Tory vote, they expect a Tory Party and Your leaders know that is what they have to give them. If you look at this cllr you will find the reason she left was due to the Tory party line on gay Marriage, not a local issue at all, given your party's Loss of one MEP over issues to do with homophobia and the recent Gay weather UKIP storm I find it somewhat surprising your party wants her. The one expensive solution to electricity everyone on the right seems to like is nuclear It seems so ridiculously expensive and no one can ever tell me when we will sop paying for the first KWH produced, because they don't know. It is expensive to produce, expensive to deal with the waste and expensive to deal with decommissioning. Pumping a mix of water and chemicals into the ground at high pressure to fracture compressed shale and rock and release gas seems crazzy, yet we are reassured by the industry that it is safe, but the industry is not going to have to get Liability insurance for if things go wrong in this country, the gov that's us will have to pick up the tab. And you say Wind Energy is expensive. Your contention on the cost of wind energy might need some backing up because compared to the cost this gov has committed us to paying for Nuclear it doesn't necessarily hold true. dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

7:39am Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Nick Lincoln wrote:
Welcome aboard Diane!
BTW will you have Cllr Sue Greenslade campaigning for you again this year
"if you can't vote LIbdem vote UPIP" (to keep Labour out)
[quote][p][bold]Nick Lincoln[/bold] wrote: Welcome aboard Diane![/p][/quote]BTW will you have Cllr Sue Greenslade campaigning for you again this year "if you can't vote LIbdem vote UPIP" (to keep Labour out) dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

9:16am Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-suspends-
former-chairman-for-
100-years-after-he-c
omplained-about-a-fe
llow-member-to-a-sun
day-newspaper-91

raises eyebrow
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-suspends- former-chairman-for- 100-years-after-he-c omplained-about-a-fe llow-member-to-a-sun day-newspaper-91 raises eyebrow dontknowynot
  • Score: -4

9:52am Thu 6 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Honest Rog wrote:
To address just one of UKRAP's ridiculous mantras popular with their tabloid informed fans; viz "This country hasn't got any room for more people". I challenge them to go to any London rail terminus and board a train in any direction. After 20 minutes even the most blinkered xenophobe will see no dwellings in any direction for miles. Having accepted this, maybe they would then give a more tangible reason for their fear of Johnny foreigner.
Welcome to the Mad Hatter's tea party Diane.
You are either being quaintly oversimplistic or are a greedy developer eager to get your hands on more green belt land.

Just because you can see patches of green when travelling outside of London from your overcrowded cattle truck does not mean that they should be built on. You may be happy with the idea of concreting over every blade of grass to put homes on, but others would like a little space for other niceties - like growing food or supporting wildlife.

Having just overtaken the Netherlands, we are now living in the most densely packed country in the EU (excluding Malta) so it is no wonder that most sensible people ask the question when is it going to stop, what is the limit?

People like you though, don't want to consider the facts. You have no interest in the welfare of people already living in Britain. You just want to spit out the old 'racist' card at every opportunity whilst chasing some ideological dream of freedom for all to live where they want and to hell with the effect on people already living there... Oh, you must be a developer.

If your view was followed to its logical conclusion, if a hundred million people wanted to settle in Britain you would start building cities, hospitals, schools, housing, roads, railways to accomodate them. Not that it could be afforded, but, heh, I guess you wouldn't let a little thing like economics get in the way of your Utopian dream. I'm so glad that the country has woken up to the idiocy of unrestricted immigration and are no longer listening to people like you.
[quote][p][bold]Honest Rog[/bold] wrote: To address just one of UKRAP's ridiculous mantras popular with their tabloid informed fans; viz "This country hasn't got any room for more people". I challenge them to go to any London rail terminus and board a train in any direction. After 20 minutes even the most blinkered xenophobe will see no dwellings in any direction for miles. Having accepted this, maybe they would then give a more tangible reason for their fear of Johnny foreigner. Welcome to the Mad Hatter's tea party Diane.[/p][/quote]You are either being quaintly oversimplistic or are a greedy developer eager to get your hands on more green belt land. Just because you can see patches of green when travelling outside of London from your overcrowded cattle truck does not mean that they should be built on. You may be happy with the idea of concreting over every blade of grass to put homes on, but others would like a little space for other niceties - like growing food or supporting wildlife. Having just overtaken the Netherlands, we are now living in the most densely packed country in the EU (excluding Malta) so it is no wonder that most sensible people ask the question when is it going to stop, what is the limit? People like you though, don't want to consider the facts. You have no interest in the welfare of people already living in Britain. You just want to spit out the old 'racist' card at every opportunity whilst chasing some ideological dream of freedom for all to live where they want and to hell with the effect on people already living there... Oh, you must be a developer. If your view was followed to its logical conclusion, if a hundred million people wanted to settle in Britain you would start building cities, hospitals, schools, housing, roads, railways to accomodate them. Not that it could be afforded, but, heh, I guess you wouldn't let a little thing like economics get in the way of your Utopian dream. I'm so glad that the country has woken up to the idiocy of unrestricted immigration and are no longer listening to people like you. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

1:11pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-chairman-
advocated-terminatio
n-of-downs-syndrome-
foetuses-and-breakin
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10147.html
oh deary me UKIP

It is bad enough even if you exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html oh deary me UKIP It is bad enough even if you exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

1:28pm Thu 6 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html oh deary me UKIP It is bad enough even if you exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty
If you bother to read the detail then this was personal views made in private correspondence and certainly not supported by UKIP.

The press are looking in every nook and cranny to find something to try to stick on UKIP and they are so desperate to help the parties they support that as soon as they unearth something like this they make it headline news, totally ignoring the fact that 99.99% of UKIP members would find his personal view on Downs Syndrome children totally unacceptable.

Still the press and you will never miss the chance to create a misleading headline will you.

I shall in future look forward to you reporting every time a member of your party is unearthed saying or writing something outrageous or gets themselves criminalised (you've had a lot of that in recent times). I'm sure you will want to do that in the interest of balance.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html oh deary me UKIP It is bad enough even if you exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty[/p][/quote]If you bother to read the detail then this was personal views made in private correspondence and certainly not supported by UKIP. The press are looking in every nook and cranny to find something to try to stick on UKIP and they are so desperate to help the parties they support that as soon as they unearth something like this they make it headline news, totally ignoring the fact that 99.99% of UKIP members would find his personal view on Downs Syndrome children totally unacceptable. Still the press and you will never miss the chance to create a misleading headline will you. I shall in future look forward to you reporting every time a member of your party is unearthed saying or writing something outrageous or gets themselves criminalised (you've had a lot of that in recent times). I'm sure you will want to do that in the interest of balance. D_Penn
  • Score: 0

1:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Oh come on its all the medias fault, you guys slay me.
Oh come on its all the medias fault, you guys slay me. dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Thu 6 Feb 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

hitch99 wrote:
UKIP are idiots
Now that's the sort of comment that stimulates debate, isn't it? No reason why they are idiots, not even a hint of explanation for the comment. Conclusion!. The person has two, maybe at least three brain cells only? Less? Surely not.
[quote][p][bold]hitch99[/bold] wrote: UKIP are idiots[/p][/quote]Now that's the sort of comment that stimulates debate, isn't it? No reason why they are idiots, not even a hint of explanation for the comment. Conclusion!. The person has two, maybe at least three brain cells only? Less? Surely not. EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 1

2:16pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays?

Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader.

We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby.

And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.
What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays? Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader. We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby. And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

2:16pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

the missing word was pporn
the missing word was pporn Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

2:18pm Thu 6 Feb 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Oh come on its all the medias fault, you guys slay me.
Oh come on, get real. The media will dig up muck in any way they can, investigating every weakness or flaw they can find. You know that! that's what sells papers, negative news!
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Oh come on its all the medias fault, you guys slay me.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, get real. The media will dig up muck in any way they can, investigating every weakness or flaw they can find. You know that! that's what sells papers, negative news! EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Oh come on its all the medias fault, you guys slay me.
So the national media picks on the personal musings of a political nonentity for what reason? Was this man of such immense stature, in such a major position of importance, that everyone across the country just had to be told of his views?

Of course not. It was just typical press mischief making and hoping to confuse a few idiots out there into believing that because one ill-thinking man was a UKIP chairman that all members must believe the same stuff he held in private.

Well, they obviously fooled you but I don't expect that the majority of the electorate are as naive.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Oh come on its all the medias fault, you guys slay me.[/p][/quote]So the national media picks on the personal musings of a political nonentity for what reason? Was this man of such immense stature, in such a major position of importance, that everyone across the country just had to be told of his views? Of course not. It was just typical press mischief making and hoping to confuse a few idiots out there into believing that because one ill-thinking man was a UKIP chairman that all members must believe the same stuff he held in private. Well, they obviously fooled you but I don't expect that the majority of the electorate are as naive. D_Penn
  • Score: 1

3:36pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

yep you guys bleat on a about neg press but, but consistantly get far more representation in the presses than is warranted for a party with No MPs, I find it pathetic that you whinge and whine about the neg stuff.
But hey ho don't let that stop you having a go at Labour, just like your Tory Pals want
yep you guys bleat on a about neg press but, but consistantly get far more representation in the presses than is warranted for a party with No MPs, I find it pathetic that you whinge and whine about the neg stuff. But hey ho don't let that stop you having a go at Labour, just like your Tory Pals want dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

3:36pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

yep you guys bleat on a about neg press but, but consistantly get far more representation in the presses than is warranted for a party with No MPs, I find it pathetic that you whinge and whine about the neg stuff.
But hey ho don't let that stop you having a go at Labour, just like your Tory Pals want
yep you guys bleat on a about neg press but, but consistantly get far more representation in the presses than is warranted for a party with No MPs, I find it pathetic that you whinge and whine about the neg stuff. But hey ho don't let that stop you having a go at Labour, just like your Tory Pals want dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

3:36pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

yep you guys bleat on a about neg press but, but consistantly get far more representation in the presses than is warranted for a party with No MPs, I find it pathetic that you whinge and whine about the neg stuff.
But hey ho don't let that stop you having a go at Labour, just like your Tory Pals want
yep you guys bleat on a about neg press but, but consistantly get far more representation in the presses than is warranted for a party with No MPs, I find it pathetic that you whinge and whine about the neg stuff. But hey ho don't let that stop you having a go at Labour, just like your Tory Pals want dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays?

Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader.

We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby.

And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.
so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays? Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader. We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby. And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.[/p][/quote]so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

3:45pm Thu 6 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

@dontknowynot

I always thought listening to you was like a stuck record...
@dontknowynot I always thought listening to you was like a stuck record... D_Penn
  • Score: 1

3:51pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays?

Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader.

We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby.

And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.
so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy
She is your deputy leader is she not?

What are her current views on child pporn and child sex?

It's quite a simple question.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays? Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader. We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby. And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.[/p][/quote]so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy[/p][/quote]She is your deputy leader is she not? What are her current views on child pporn and child sex? It's quite a simple question. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays?

Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader.

We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby.

And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.
so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy
She is your deputy leader is she not?

What are her current views on child pporn and child sex?

It's quite a simple question.
To the best of my knowledge she has always been opposed to all forms of Child **** and has no questions to answer on the subject of Child Sex.
So again if you have something to say, lets be having you
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays? Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader. We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby. And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.[/p][/quote]so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy[/p][/quote]She is your deputy leader is she not? What are her current views on child pporn and child sex? It's quite a simple question.[/p][/quote]To the best of my knowledge she has always been opposed to all forms of Child **** and has no questions to answer on the subject of Child Sex. So again if you have something to say, lets be having you dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

4:15pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays?

Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader.

We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby.

And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.
so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy
She is your deputy leader is she not?

What are her current views on child pporn and child sex?

It's quite a simple question.
To the best of my knowledge she has always been opposed to all forms of Child **** and has no questions to answer on the subject of Child Sex.
So again if you have something to say, lets be having you
Do Liberty and PIE mean anything to you in relation to Harriet's views and campaigning history?
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays? Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader. We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby. And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.[/p][/quote]so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy[/p][/quote]She is your deputy leader is she not? What are her current views on child pporn and child sex? It's quite a simple question.[/p][/quote]To the best of my knowledge she has always been opposed to all forms of Child **** and has no questions to answer on the subject of Child Sex. So again if you have something to say, lets be having you[/p][/quote]Do Liberty and PIE mean anything to you in relation to Harriet's views and campaigning history? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays?

Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader.

We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby.

And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.
so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy
She is your deputy leader is she not?

What are her current views on child pporn and child sex?

It's quite a simple question.
To the best of my knowledge she has always been opposed to all forms of Child **** and has no questions to answer on the subject of Child Sex.
So again if you have something to say, lets be having you
Do Liberty and PIE mean anything to you in relation to Harriet's views and campaigning history?
again If you have something to say spit it out
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: What are Harriet Harmans views on child sex and child **** nowadays? Isn't she your deputy leader? Her views must hold a lot of support in the Labour party for her to become deputy leader. We can wait for your response if you're still up in the saucer with your mate from Whitby. And for what it's worth, aborting Downs babies is a disgusting idea and not one supported by any decent people.[/p][/quote]so what you saying PC lets be having you, come on don't be shy[/p][/quote]She is your deputy leader is she not? What are her current views on child pporn and child sex? It's quite a simple question.[/p][/quote]To the best of my knowledge she has always been opposed to all forms of Child **** and has no questions to answer on the subject of Child Sex. So again if you have something to say, lets be having you[/p][/quote]Do Liberty and PIE mean anything to you in relation to Harriet's views and campaigning history?[/p][/quote]again If you have something to say spit it out dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

6:04pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

No answer from Labour?

What do you think that says to readers?

Maybe you should research her history and come back with an answer.
No answer from Labour? What do you think that says to readers? Maybe you should research her history and come back with an answer. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

6:29pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
No answer from Labour?

What do you think that says to readers?

Maybe you should research her history and come back with an answer.
I have given you direct answers to your questions and am unaware of anyone from Labour reading this, but IF you have actual Questions to ask or actual allegations to make please make them or ask.
As a Labour member and nothing more I may be able to answer.
So please ask away
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: No answer from Labour? What do you think that says to readers? Maybe you should research her history and come back with an answer.[/p][/quote]I have given you direct answers to your questions and am unaware of anyone from Labour reading this, but IF you have actual Questions to ask or actual allegations to make please make them or ask. As a Labour member and nothing more I may be able to answer. So please ask away dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
No answer from Labour?

What do you think that says to readers?

Maybe you should research her history and come back with an answer.
maybe you could research and come back with a question
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: No answer from Labour? What do you think that says to readers? Maybe you should research her history and come back with an answer.[/p][/quote]maybe you could research and come back with a question dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

6:34pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Fair enough, I can understand your reluctance to broach the subject of her history.

At least she is a Labour problem and not a Ukip problem. I'm not sure we could or would even want to explain her away to the public. I don't think we would have her under any circumstances.
Fair enough, I can understand your reluctance to broach the subject of her history. At least she is a Labour problem and not a Ukip problem. I'm not sure we could or would even want to explain her away to the public. I don't think we would have her under any circumstances. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

6:46pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Fair enough, I can understand your reluctance to broach the subject of her history.

At least she is a Labour problem and not a Ukip problem. I'm not sure we could or would even want to explain her away to the public. I don't think we would have her under any circumstances.
There is no problem
again and I make no apalagy for sounding like a broken record here if you have something to say, SAY IT
If you have a question ASK IT
I will then do my best as an individual who happans to be a member of the Labour party to ANSWER IT

what can be more reasonable than that????
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Fair enough, I can understand your reluctance to broach the subject of her history. At least she is a Labour problem and not a Ukip problem. I'm not sure we could or would even want to explain her away to the public. I don't think we would have her under any circumstances.[/p][/quote]There is no problem again and I make no apalagy for sounding like a broken record here if you have something to say, SAY IT If you have a question ASK IT I will then do my best as an individual who happans to be a member of the Labour party to ANSWER IT what can be more reasonable than that???? dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

7:26pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol

itics/ukip-chairman-

advocated-terminatio

n-of-downs-syndrome-

foetuses-and-breakin

g-from-the-eu-by-for

ce-claims-tory-mp-91

10147.html
oh deary me UKIP

It is bad enough even if you exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty
BTW I was referring to the direct quotes made to the Independent

heence "exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty"
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html oh deary me UKIP It is bad enough even if you exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty[/p][/quote]BTW I was referring to the direct quotes made to the Independent heence "exclude the redaction's aimed at being nasty" dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

8:02am Sat 8 Feb 14

strummerjoe says...

Having not come across Phil Cox before, I would say this to him: You are not doing yourself any favours. If you have any allegations to make, come out and make them . I for one can't be bothered to google the obscure references or to try to decipher your innuendo.
Having not come across Phil Cox before, I would say this to him: You are not doing yourself any favours. If you have any allegations to make, come out and make them . I for one can't be bothered to google the obscure references or to try to decipher your innuendo. strummerjoe
  • Score: 0

8:04am Sat 8 Feb 14

strummerjoe says...

Another thing - unless UKIP are interested only in preaching to the converted, avoid parading stereotypical Hyacinth Bucket type little-Englanders such as the woman in the photo at the top of this article.
Another thing - unless UKIP are interested only in preaching to the converted, avoid parading stereotypical Hyacinth Bucket type little-Englanders such as the woman in the photo at the top of this article. strummerjoe
  • Score: 0

11:45am Sat 8 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

strummerjoe wrote:
Another thing - unless UKIP are interested only in preaching to the converted, avoid parading stereotypical Hyacinth Bucket type little-Englanders such as the woman in the photo at the top of this article.
SJ

This is a story about Diane defecting to UKIP. What picture could the WO have used apart from one of the subject of the article, Diane herself?

Well done Diane, keep up the good work.
[quote][p][bold]strummerjoe[/bold] wrote: Another thing - unless UKIP are interested only in preaching to the converted, avoid parading stereotypical Hyacinth Bucket type little-Englanders such as the woman in the photo at the top of this article.[/p][/quote]SJ This is a story about Diane defecting to UKIP. What picture could the WO have used apart from one of the subject of the article, Diane herself? Well done Diane, keep up the good work. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

1:35pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

This from the Taxpayers Alliance.

"Meet the Sunderland councillor charging us £11,000 for travel and meals
Most people are aware that councillors now get a basic allowance in recognition of the costs they incur in that role. But did you know that many are also additionally claiming for travel and meals enjoyed while on council business, even if they are only away from home for a few hours? Meet Neville Padgett (right), a councillor in Sunderland. Official figures show that on top of the basic allowance of £8,369, last year he somehow claimed a whopping £7,084 in travel allowances, including more than £1,150 in mileage payments (at £22.95 a time) for the 51-mile tour of his Washington East ward he conducts virtually every weekend. Add to that the £4,000 bill for the 274 meals he claimed - more than all the other councilllors combined. Shameless."

What party is this councillor from?

Labour.

Taxpayers once more held in contempt by a person elected to protect their interests. There has to be a better way.
This from the Taxpayers Alliance. "Meet the Sunderland councillor charging us £11,000 for travel and meals Most people are aware that councillors now get a basic allowance in recognition of the costs they incur in that role. But did you know that many are also additionally claiming for travel and meals enjoyed while on council business, even if they are only away from home for a few hours? Meet Neville Padgett (right), a councillor in Sunderland. Official figures show that on top of the basic allowance of £8,369, last year he somehow claimed a whopping £7,084 in travel allowances, including more than £1,150 in mileage payments (at £22.95 a time) for the 51-mile tour of his Washington East ward he conducts virtually every weekend. Add to that the £4,000 bill for the 274 meals he claimed - more than all the other councilllors combined. Shameless." What party is this councillor from? Labour. Taxpayers once more held in contempt by a person elected to protect their interests. There has to be a better way. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

1:40pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

That's more than 5 meals a week, every week including Christmas, New Year and Summer holidays.
That's more than 5 meals a week, every week including Christmas, New Year and Summer holidays. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Sat 8 Feb 14

oldvic says...

A referendum on EU membership will have no affect whichever way the majority vote
We are locked in to the Maastrich treaty and we owe Europe so much money we cannot afford to exit.
Asian car manufacturers and the like in other related industries will take their business elsewhere just to gain tariff free trading with other EU nations.(We have sold all our industries to other countries)
We are controlled and part governed by EU parliament because we elected to sign documents of membership .
Reality is --none of the main parties want to exit, the members bill to have a referendum, has now become a football to play with in the House of Lords; a member used an old language to address the house members that no one understood --to put his anti speech-- its a farce-- Just know how we are locked in with no get out clause-- be aware its a democratic vote of no consequence.
I am British thru and thru and love my country and I am NOT a European, probably because I served my country and have only ever been a British citizen during my 76 years. I will not apologise for my UK nationalism.
A referendum on EU membership will have no affect whichever way the majority vote We are locked in to the Maastrich treaty and we owe Europe so much money we cannot afford to exit. Asian car manufacturers and the like in other related industries will take their business elsewhere just to gain tariff free trading with other EU nations.(We have sold all our industries to other countries) We are controlled and part governed by EU parliament because we elected to sign documents of membership . Reality is --none of the main parties want to exit, the members bill to have a referendum, has now become a football to play with in the House of Lords; a member used an old language to address the house members that no one understood --to put his anti speech-- its a farce-- Just know how we are locked in with no get out clause-- be aware its a democratic vote of no consequence. I am British thru and thru and love my country and I am NOT a European, probably because I served my country and have only ever been a British citizen during my 76 years. I will not apologise for my UK nationalism. oldvic
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

oldvic wrote:
A referendum on EU membership will have no affect whichever way the majority vote
We are locked in to the Maastrich treaty and we owe Europe so much money we cannot afford to exit.
Asian car manufacturers and the like in other related industries will take their business elsewhere just to gain tariff free trading with other EU nations.(We have sold all our industries to other countries)
We are controlled and part governed by EU parliament because we elected to sign documents of membership .
Reality is --none of the main parties want to exit, the members bill to have a referendum, has now become a football to play with in the House of Lords; a member used an old language to address the house members that no one understood --to put his anti speech-- its a farce-- Just know how we are locked in with no get out clause-- be aware its a democratic vote of no consequence.
I am British thru and thru and love my country and I am NOT a European, probably because I served my country and have only ever been a British citizen during my 76 years. I will not apologise for my UK nationalism.
For the answers to these points please come to our public meeting on 20th Feb at Watford Town and Country Club at 7:30.

There is nothing stopping the UK from leaving the EU and continuing to trade with the EU successfully, nothing apart from the Conservative party, the Liberal Democrat Party and the Labour Party.

You will need to vote UKIP to leave the EU. Once we have left the EU it doesn't matter which party you vote for, they will actually be running our country. They will make our laws, run our country and if you like it, you can vote for them again and if you don't like it you can vote for somebody else and get a completely different government.

At the moment, it doesn't matter if you vote LibDem, Conservative or Labour, you get EU rule.

UKIP is the only alternative. Vote UKIP.

When the majority of the population of the UK wish to leave the EU, one must wonder why the other parties refuse to acknowledge such public desire and push on with this failed experiment called the EU. One must also wonder why the other parties are worth a single vote when no matter what their supporters want, they press on with their own undemocratic agenda.

Vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]oldvic[/bold] wrote: A referendum on EU membership will have no affect whichever way the majority vote We are locked in to the Maastrich treaty and we owe Europe so much money we cannot afford to exit. Asian car manufacturers and the like in other related industries will take their business elsewhere just to gain tariff free trading with other EU nations.(We have sold all our industries to other countries) We are controlled and part governed by EU parliament because we elected to sign documents of membership . Reality is --none of the main parties want to exit, the members bill to have a referendum, has now become a football to play with in the House of Lords; a member used an old language to address the house members that no one understood --to put his anti speech-- its a farce-- Just know how we are locked in with no get out clause-- be aware its a democratic vote of no consequence. I am British thru and thru and love my country and I am NOT a European, probably because I served my country and have only ever been a British citizen during my 76 years. I will not apologise for my UK nationalism.[/p][/quote]For the answers to these points please come to our public meeting on 20th Feb at Watford Town and Country Club at 7:30. There is nothing stopping the UK from leaving the EU and continuing to trade with the EU successfully, nothing apart from the Conservative party, the Liberal Democrat Party and the Labour Party. You will need to vote UKIP to leave the EU. Once we have left the EU it doesn't matter which party you vote for, they will actually be running our country. They will make our laws, run our country and if you like it, you can vote for them again and if you don't like it you can vote for somebody else and get a completely different government. At the moment, it doesn't matter if you vote LibDem, Conservative or Labour, you get EU rule. UKIP is the only alternative. Vote UKIP. When the majority of the population of the UK wish to leave the EU, one must wonder why the other parties refuse to acknowledge such public desire and push on with this failed experiment called the EU. One must also wonder why the other parties are worth a single vote when no matter what their supporters want, they press on with their own undemocratic agenda. Vote UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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