UK Independence Party’s Watford mayoral candidate, Phil Cox, outlines key pledges

Watford Observer: UKIP mayoral candidate outlines key pledges UKIP mayoral candidate outlines key pledges

The UK Independence Party’s Watford mayoral candidate has pledged to end the "war on motorists", found an Office of Common Sense and make the council the most transparent in the UK, if elected.

Phil Cox, who was selected to stand in the May elections last week, also promised to protect the Farm Terrace Allotments and conduct a public review of the health campus scheme.

The 53-year-old IT businessman will be the first UKIP candidate to stand for elected mayor in Watford.

He said he had been prompted to stand as he felt the council had become an institution that dictated rather than listened to residents under current mayor and Liberal Democrat administration.

Speaking to the Watford Observer this week, Mr Cox said he had found the council’s customer service wanting in the past and hoped to found an Office of Common Sense, where residents could take complaints and suggestions.

He said: "We want that to be a non-council office run by people contracted in who will adjudicate on suggestions from the general public. It’s a bit like a suggestion box.

"This will be the sort of place where you can write to the council and say ‘I said to the council this, I told them I was having a problem with that’ and go to the office of common sense and they will say ‘yes, the council should have done this thing’ and that will come to me as the mayor."

Mr Cox said UKIP disagreed with the council’s decision to allow the Farm Terrace Allotments to be built on as part of the health campus scheme in West Watford.

He said: "They have not started building yet, so we would do everything in our power to save Farm Terrace. We are 100 per cent for keeping allotments where they belong, which is near people."

Mr Cox suggested that if elected he would look into whether having the main acute hospital in the "packed" West Watford area was best solution or if it should possibly move to a "more central location" to Watford, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans.

However he said any new hospital should be funded by the Government, adding: "I have never believed in PFI (private finance initiatives) it’s like buying on a credit card. Someone else’s credit card and it is a crazy way of doing things. All it does is push the bills further down the line for someone else to pick up.

"Government should build these sort of infrastructure projects. It should be fully Government funded."

Other policies mooted by the party are a review of controlled parking zone and the plan to make Watford a 20mph zone, a review of council pay and allowing an outside organisations such as the Taxpayers Alliance to inspect the council’s accounts.

Mr Cox grew up in Croxley Green before moving to Watford in 2001. He was initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour.

In 2010 the married father-of-three joined UKIP after becoming "disillusioned" with the main parties.

Mr Cox said he had voted for the current mayor, Dorothy Thornhill, before but now felt her administration was becoming dictatorial.

He said: "I don’t like the way that the council run by the Lib Dems are treating the people of Watford. I believe the council should be responsive to the people of Watford, be on the side of the people of Watford, listening to the people of Watford.

"We will act as independents as councillors and the mayor and put the town first. We will have no agendas whatsoever."

The UKIP candidate also criticised Mayor Thornhill for not ruling out running in the General Election next year as well as seeking re-election as mayor.

He added: "It could be construed that she is using Watford to keep her in a job until the General Election, in which case she would gladly wave goodbye to the town of Watford and say ‘thanks very much and thanks for all the fish’."

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6:28pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gusgreen says...

Steady on Phil common sense in politics that's a novel policy but I wish you all the best. Give your best shot Watford needs a new breath of fresh ideas. Good luck.
Steady on Phil common sense in politics that's a novel policy but I wish you all the best. Give your best shot Watford needs a new breath of fresh ideas. Good luck. gusgreen
  • Score: 9

6:30pm Thu 6 Feb 14

wd40 says...

This guy may get me back to the polling station.
This guy may get me back to the polling station. wd40
  • Score: 7

7:46pm Thu 6 Feb 14

jasonwatford says...

Always comments on everything on here , Does nothing but moan all the time , he will never get my vote
Always comments on everything on here , Does nothing but moan all the time , he will never get my vote jasonwatford
  • Score: -6

8:34pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

"initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour."

A bit of a FLOATER then
"initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour." A bit of a FLOATER then dontknowynot
  • Score: -7

8:37pm Thu 6 Feb 14

LSC says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Always comments on everything on here , Does nothing but moan all the time , he will never get my vote
What exactly would you want him to do? He can't do a lot unless he is elected. At least he actually talks to the great unwashed, unlike many.
You might say he comments too much, I say the others should comment more.
I don't want to see political childish bickering threads in here, but I have no problem with people setting out their stall and actually answering questions, as this chap seems to do.
And before you say it, I'm not an actual supporter, I don't even live where I could vote for him if I wanted to.
It is just nice to see a potential politician actually interact with the people.
He is not alone in that, there are a couple of others on here that do and I welcome it. You learn a lot more about a person in a thread than you do from a press release with a photo opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Always comments on everything on here , Does nothing but moan all the time , he will never get my vote[/p][/quote]What exactly would you want him to do? He can't do a lot unless he is elected. At least he actually talks to the great unwashed, unlike many. You might say he comments too much, I say the others should comment more. I don't want to see political childish bickering threads in here, but I have no problem with people setting out their stall and actually answering questions, as this chap seems to do. And before you say it, I'm not an actual supporter, I don't even live where I could vote for him if I wanted to. It is just nice to see a potential politician actually interact with the people. He is not alone in that, there are a couple of others on here that do and I welcome it. You learn a lot more about a person in a thread than you do from a press release with a photo opportunity. LSC
  • Score: 7

9:44pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

gusgreen wrote:
Steady on Phil common sense in politics that's a novel policy but I wish you all the best. Give your best shot Watford needs a new breath of fresh ideas. Good luck.
Thank you Gus, much appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]gusgreen[/bold] wrote: Steady on Phil common sense in politics that's a novel policy but I wish you all the best. Give your best shot Watford needs a new breath of fresh ideas. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Thank you Gus, much appreciated. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

9:49pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

wd40 wrote:
This guy may get me back to the polling station.
You and many others like you I hope.

Thank you for your kind words.

I was disillusioned with all the political parties when I looked at UKIP in 2010 and thought "now there's a party that encourages free speech, free thinking and has lots of common sense policies". I didn't agree with absolutely everything but it was by far the best and most honest party.

I had thought that the other parties had left honesty behind a long time ago.

UKIP is a breath of fresh air.
[quote][p][bold]wd40[/bold] wrote: This guy may get me back to the polling station.[/p][/quote]You and many others like you I hope. Thank you for your kind words. I was disillusioned with all the political parties when I looked at UKIP in 2010 and thought "now there's a party that encourages free speech, free thinking and has lots of common sense policies". I didn't agree with absolutely everything but it was by far the best and most honest party. I had thought that the other parties had left honesty behind a long time ago. UKIP is a breath of fresh air. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

9:50pm Thu 6 Feb 14

JohnnyHornet says...

Sounds very good to me, at last are we going to see a politician with both common sense and who can work for the people rather than the tired old whipped Westminster politics.
Sounds very good to me, at last are we going to see a politician with both common sense and who can work for the people rather than the tired old whipped Westminster politics. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 4

10:05pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
"initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour."

A bit of a FLOATER then
Hindsight, being what it is, I am pretty sure that if UKIP had been around in the 70's I would have joined UKIP and not Labour.

Now I know what Labour are like when they get into power I am even more convinced I would have joined UKIP.

Any party that chooses common sense over political dogma has to win out in my book. Why choose anything else?
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: "initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour." A bit of a FLOATER then[/p][/quote]Hindsight, being what it is, I am pretty sure that if UKIP had been around in the 70's I would have joined UKIP and not Labour. Now I know what Labour are like when they get into power I am even more convinced I would have joined UKIP. Any party that chooses common sense over political dogma has to win out in my book. Why choose anything else? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

10:06pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
Sounds very good to me, at last are we going to see a politician with both common sense and who can work for the people rather than the tired old whipped Westminster politics.
Thank you Johnny, much appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: Sounds very good to me, at last are we going to see a politician with both common sense and who can work for the people rather than the tired old whipped Westminster politics.[/p][/quote]Thank you Johnny, much appreciated. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

10:24pm Thu 6 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
"initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour." A bit of a FLOATER then
What is wrong with change if it is for the better?

You might join us too if you ever got the courage to meet us and learnt how wrong you are about UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: "initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour." A bit of a FLOATER then[/p][/quote]What is wrong with change if it is for the better? You might join us too if you ever got the courage to meet us and learnt how wrong you are about UKIP. D_Penn
  • Score: 1

10:50pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
wd40 wrote:
This guy may get me back to the polling station.
You and many others like you I hope.

Thank you for your kind words.

I was disillusioned with all the political parties when I looked at UKIP in 2010 and thought "now there's a party that encourages free speech, free thinking and has lots of common sense policies". I didn't agree with absolutely everything but it was by far the best and most honest party.

I had thought that the other parties had left honesty behind a long time ago.

UKIP is a breath of fresh air.
A touch Ironic that you left Labour when they decided to leave Europe thou, surly you must excuse me having a grin at that?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wd40[/bold] wrote: This guy may get me back to the polling station.[/p][/quote]You and many others like you I hope. Thank you for your kind words. I was disillusioned with all the political parties when I looked at UKIP in 2010 and thought "now there's a party that encourages free speech, free thinking and has lots of common sense policies". I didn't agree with absolutely everything but it was by far the best and most honest party. I had thought that the other parties had left honesty behind a long time ago. UKIP is a breath of fresh air.[/p][/quote]A touch Ironic that you left Labour when they decided to leave Europe thou, surly you must excuse me having a grin at that? dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

10:57pm Thu 6 Feb 14

WatfordAlex says...

Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But:

'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?
Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But: 'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)? WatfordAlex
  • Score: 4

10:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

WatfordAlex says...

'War on motorists'. I may have missed something but I have not seen shells being fired from the Town Hall at people in cars. If you turn on the news and watch the coverage of Syria you will see what a war really looks like. Taking your rather crass language as a given, what has the 'war' got to do with Watford? Petrol tax is a national government policy, as are speed limits. Speed cameras are done by the County Council, as are width restrictions. There is no congestion charge in Watford. CPZs are a local thing to be fair, but i've never heard anyone complaining about the existing ones as they stop commuters blocking up all the parking spaces in front of people's houses. So that just leaves car park charges. You could get rid of them, but then you'd have to put up Council tax to make up the lost income, which isn't very fair on the majority is it Phil.
'War on motorists'. I may have missed something but I have not seen shells being fired from the Town Hall at people in cars. If you turn on the news and watch the coverage of Syria you will see what a war really looks like. Taking your rather crass language as a given, what has the 'war' got to do with Watford? Petrol tax is a national government policy, as are speed limits. Speed cameras are done by the County Council, as are width restrictions. There is no congestion charge in Watford. CPZs are a local thing to be fair, but i've never heard anyone complaining about the existing ones as they stop commuters blocking up all the parking spaces in front of people's houses. So that just leaves car park charges. You could get rid of them, but then you'd have to put up Council tax to make up the lost income, which isn't very fair on the majority is it Phil. WatfordAlex
  • Score: 5

11:00pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
wd40 wrote:
This guy may get me back to the polling station.
You and many others like you I hope.

Thank you for your kind words.

I was disillusioned with all the political parties when I looked at UKIP in 2010 and thought "now there's a party that encourages free speech, free thinking and has lots of common sense policies". I didn't agree with absolutely everything but it was by far the best and most honest party.

I had thought that the other parties had left honesty behind a long time ago.

UKIP is a breath of fresh air.
A touch Ironic that you left Labour when they decided to leave Europe thou, surly you must excuse me having a grin at that?
Ironic indeed if it is true. I actually resigned from Labour back in about 2000. I can't remember the EU being a huge issue at the time, I resigned over something else.

At the time I had no idea what the true agenda of the EU was or how dangerous and expensive it was. I thought it was a good thing. Lots of people did.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wd40[/bold] wrote: This guy may get me back to the polling station.[/p][/quote]You and many others like you I hope. Thank you for your kind words. I was disillusioned with all the political parties when I looked at UKIP in 2010 and thought "now there's a party that encourages free speech, free thinking and has lots of common sense policies". I didn't agree with absolutely everything but it was by far the best and most honest party. I had thought that the other parties had left honesty behind a long time ago. UKIP is a breath of fresh air.[/p][/quote]A touch Ironic that you left Labour when they decided to leave Europe thou, surly you must excuse me having a grin at that?[/p][/quote]Ironic indeed if it is true. I actually resigned from Labour back in about 2000. I can't remember the EU being a huge issue at the time, I resigned over something else. At the time I had no idea what the true agenda of the EU was or how dangerous and expensive it was. I thought it was a good thing. Lots of people did. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

11:09pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But:

'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?
nuff said
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But: 'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?[/p][/quote]nuff said dontknowynot
  • Score: 3

11:25pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But:

'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?
You define common sense as what most people think. I prefer a more thoughtful definition.

At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared.

Common sense, according to you, would say the world was flat.

I would qualify what you have said.

I would say that common sense is what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation.

Such common sense would say the world is round.



It is often in the interests of politicians not to give out the facts, or to mislead people with false "facts". Take for example the Health Campus. Those allotment plot holders who were against losing their beloved allotment plots were told by the powers that be and their supporters that they were against progress, that they were against Watford getting a shiny new hospital. Look at the facts again now. There is no shiny new hospital. The "facts" given out then by the council have turned out to be misleading at best.

What we are trying to do here in Watford is to remove an arrogant administration and replace it with one that will listen to the people of Watford and try to do what they need.

We in UKIP do not think we know best and that only our ideas have any merit.

We have ideas, yes, we hope they are the best ideas but it is very easy and democratic for the electorate to put us in our place via a binding local referendum.

Try doing that now. Not only is it impossible to overrule the council, no-one in the ruling LibDems will listen to you. They are only interested in telling the people of Watford what to do, not in listening to you.

Ask people on the Cassiobury who are unhappy over transport arrangements for the new school. Ask them if they thing the council is listening, if the Mayor is listening.

The choice is simple. Dotty or democracy. Do you want to be told what's good for you or do you want to have a chance to decide for yourself, democratically?

Vote Ukip and let's get rid of the arrogance of an administration that has simply been in power for too long.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But: 'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?[/p][/quote]You define common sense as what most people think. I prefer a more thoughtful definition. At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared. Common sense, according to you, would say the world was flat. I would qualify what you have said. I would say that common sense is what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation. Such common sense would say the world is round. It is often in the interests of politicians not to give out the facts, or to mislead people with false "facts". Take for example the Health Campus. Those allotment plot holders who were against losing their beloved allotment plots were told by the powers that be and their supporters that they were against progress, that they were against Watford getting a shiny new hospital. Look at the facts again now. There is no shiny new hospital. The "facts" given out then by the council have turned out to be misleading at best. What we are trying to do here in Watford is to remove an arrogant administration and replace it with one that will listen to the people of Watford and try to do what they need. We in UKIP do not think we know best and that only our ideas have any merit. We have ideas, yes, we hope they are the best ideas but it is very easy and democratic for the electorate to put us in our place via a binding local referendum. Try doing that now. Not only is it impossible to overrule the council, no-one in the ruling LibDems will listen to you. They are only interested in telling the people of Watford what to do, not in listening to you. Ask people on the Cassiobury who are unhappy over transport arrangements for the new school. Ask them if they thing the council is listening, if the Mayor is listening. The choice is simple. Dotty or democracy. Do you want to be told what's good for you or do you want to have a chance to decide for yourself, democratically? Vote Ukip and let's get rid of the arrogance of an administration that has simply been in power for too long. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

11:26pm Thu 6 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament,

It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does
in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

11:39pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
'War on motorists'. I may have missed something but I have not seen shells being fired from the Town Hall at people in cars. If you turn on the news and watch the coverage of Syria you will see what a war really looks like. Taking your rather crass language as a given, what has the 'war' got to do with Watford? Petrol tax is a national government policy, as are speed limits. Speed cameras are done by the County Council, as are width restrictions. There is no congestion charge in Watford. CPZs are a local thing to be fair, but i've never heard anyone complaining about the existing ones as they stop commuters blocking up all the parking spaces in front of people's houses. So that just leaves car park charges. You could get rid of them, but then you'd have to put up Council tax to make up the lost income, which isn't very fair on the majority is it Phil.
It's a bit more complicated than that Alex.

Everyone understands the meaning behind "war on the motorist". Policies that target, often for money, motorists.

The phrase "War on......" is widely used.

You would not expect War on Want to be sending out soldiers to kill the needy of the world - or the war on drugs to result in anyone smoking a spliff being shot and bombed - no, it's just a common phrase in everyday use.

If you haven't heard it before, you really need to get out more. Mix with more people.

Please feel free to contact War on Want and the governments of Labour, Conservatives and LibDems for their use of such crass language in the War on drugs but I suspect most people will not follow your thinking.

Our full manifesto will be published in the next few days. Read it then and see what you think.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: 'War on motorists'. I may have missed something but I have not seen shells being fired from the Town Hall at people in cars. If you turn on the news and watch the coverage of Syria you will see what a war really looks like. Taking your rather crass language as a given, what has the 'war' got to do with Watford? Petrol tax is a national government policy, as are speed limits. Speed cameras are done by the County Council, as are width restrictions. There is no congestion charge in Watford. CPZs are a local thing to be fair, but i've never heard anyone complaining about the existing ones as they stop commuters blocking up all the parking spaces in front of people's houses. So that just leaves car park charges. You could get rid of them, but then you'd have to put up Council tax to make up the lost income, which isn't very fair on the majority is it Phil.[/p][/quote]It's a bit more complicated than that Alex. Everyone understands the meaning behind "war on the motorist". Policies that target, often for money, motorists. The phrase "War on......" is widely used. You would not expect War on Want to be sending out soldiers to kill the needy of the world - or the war on drugs to result in anyone smoking a spliff being shot and bombed - no, it's just a common phrase in everyday use. If you haven't heard it before, you really need to get out more. Mix with more people. Please feel free to contact War on Want and the governments of Labour, Conservatives and LibDems for their use of such crass language in the War on drugs but I suspect most people will not follow your thinking. Our full manifesto will be published in the next few days. Read it then and see what you think. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

11:47pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament,

It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does
We all make mistakes. The wisest of us learn from them.



That's why I joined UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does[/p][/quote]We all make mistakes. The wisest of us learn from them. That's why I joined UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

12:27am Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does
You have a very weird sense of humour.

You seem to want to obsessively attack everything and everybody to do with UKIP on the Watford Observer. I'm heartened. You must be getting very worried.

As Gandhi said, "'First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they attack you. Then you win ."

You seem to be around the stage 2/3 level right now. Around May time you should expect to arrive stage 4.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does[/p][/quote]You have a very weird sense of humour. You seem to want to obsessively attack everything and everybody to do with UKIP on the Watford Observer. I'm heartened. You must be getting very worried. As Gandhi said, "'First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they attack you. Then you win ." You seem to be around the stage 2/3 level right now. Around May time you should expect to arrive stage 4. D_Penn
  • Score: 3

1:23am Fri 7 Feb 14

LSC says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But:

'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?
Some interesting points. I disagree that common sense means what the majority think. The majority of the Taliban appear to think women should be stoned to death for being raped, so let us get that idea out the debate. The majority can often be wrong when it comes to common sense because a lot don't have it, usually due to education and religion. The majority of the USA accepted slavery at one point. And so on. The majority can get it wrong: Proven.

But the handguns I disagree with, gay marriage is fine by me, climate change is a load of old pony in the way it is presented, smoking in cars with children just makes me laugh, the concept is so wonderfully stupid.

Just who is going to enforce it? There are no coppers about. Cameras won't catch it. And when the parents go home and smoke in the kid's bedroom, who is going to police that? What's the difference except an easy roadside fine, assuming we want our police to be spending their time on such measures?
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But: 'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?[/p][/quote]Some interesting points. I disagree that common sense means what the majority think. The majority of the Taliban appear to think women should be stoned to death for being raped, so let us get that idea out the debate. The majority can often be wrong when it comes to common sense because a lot don't have it, usually due to education and religion. The majority of the USA accepted slavery at one point. And so on. The majority can get it wrong: Proven. But the handguns I disagree with, gay marriage is fine by me, climate change is a load of old pony in the way it is presented, smoking in cars with children just makes me laugh, the concept is so wonderfully stupid. Just who is going to enforce it? There are no coppers about. Cameras won't catch it. And when the parents go home and smoke in the kid's bedroom, who is going to police that? What's the difference except an easy roadside fine, assuming we want our police to be spending their time on such measures? LSC
  • Score: -4

2:37am Fri 7 Feb 14

Honest Rog says...

It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense Phil" cos the current administration "has simply been in power for too long".
Thanks for that insightful analysis. Can't wait for the manifesto pledges on climate change...oh forgot; Phil's going for the Clarksoneque petrolhead vote. Same sex mariage? Better check with god-bothering fellow party members. There you go; two issues in one, i.e. climate change is caused by indulging in "unnatural" practices. Now that will have the swivel-eyed loons scratching their heads.
Labour-SDP-UKIP. See the direction? Moderate it aint!
I sense many ex-Dotty supporters returning to the fold.
It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense Phil" cos the current administration "has simply been in power for too long". Thanks for that insightful analysis. Can't wait for the manifesto pledges on climate change...oh forgot; Phil's going for the Clarksoneque petrolhead vote. Same sex mariage? Better check with god-bothering fellow party members. There you go; two issues in one, i.e. climate change is caused by indulging in "unnatural" practices. Now that will have the swivel-eyed loons scratching their heads. Labour-SDP-UKIP. See the direction? Moderate it aint! I sense many ex-Dotty supporters returning to the fold. Honest Rog
  • Score: -6

7:06am Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does
You have a very weird sense of humour.

You seem to want to obsessively attack everything and everybody to do with UKIP on the Watford Observer. I'm heartened. You must be getting very worried.

As Gandhi said, "'First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they attack you. Then you win ."

You seem to be around the stage 2/3 level right now. Around May time you should expect to arrive stage 4.
it is funny sorry

Common Phil and fellow UKIPers what ever happened to that famous English sense of Irony, come on I can laugh with you or at you on this, really I can the choice is yours as for Gandhi I think you are about to make his statement go backwards
BYe BYe on another thread
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does[/p][/quote]You have a very weird sense of humour. You seem to want to obsessively attack everything and everybody to do with UKIP on the Watford Observer. I'm heartened. You must be getting very worried. As Gandhi said, "'First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they attack you. Then you win ." You seem to be around the stage 2/3 level right now. Around May time you should expect to arrive stage 4.[/p][/quote]it is funny sorry Common Phil and fellow UKIPers what ever happened to that famous English sense of Irony, come on I can laugh with you or at you on this, really I can the choice is yours as for Gandhi I think you are about to make his statement go backwards BYe BYe on another thread dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

8:23am Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Honest Rog wrote:
It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense Phil" cos the current administration "has simply been in power for too long".
Thanks for that insightful analysis. Can't wait for the manifesto pledges on climate change...oh forgot; Phil's going for the Clarksoneque petrolhead vote. Same sex mariage? Better check with god-bothering fellow party members. There you go; two issues in one, i.e. climate change is caused by indulging in "unnatural" practices. Now that will have the swivel-eyed loons scratching their heads.
Labour-SDP-UKIP. See the direction? Moderate it aint!
I sense many ex-Dotty supporters returning to the fold.
"Honest Rog". Who chose that name for you? Certainly not anyone who has read any of your posts.

If you use honest in a name isn't that rather along the same lines as "The Ministry of Truth" in 1984?

I see you have started the mis-quoting me already. We were expecting dirty tricks from the dirty tricks party. We would be disappointed if you did not. We were expecting it. We knew it would only be a matter of time before councillors go undercover and do such things, however it is easy enough for anyone reading these posts to go back and see the full sensible quotes and not the pieces "Honest Rog" has cherry picked to mislead you with. In fact, you give yourself away with the parts you have chosen to leave out of my proper quotes.

Along with DKYN you post the most nonsensical and deliberately misleading posts on these pages. That's some achievement.

I will leave the readers to see your posts for what they are and instead concentrate on answering people who do not need to put "Honest" in their names, people who instead have honesty in their intentions and their questions.

What's in a name? In your case, nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Honest Rog[/bold] wrote: It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense Phil" cos the current administration "has simply been in power for too long". Thanks for that insightful analysis. Can't wait for the manifesto pledges on climate change...oh forgot; Phil's going for the Clarksoneque petrolhead vote. Same sex mariage? Better check with god-bothering fellow party members. There you go; two issues in one, i.e. climate change is caused by indulging in "unnatural" practices. Now that will have the swivel-eyed loons scratching their heads. Labour-SDP-UKIP. See the direction? Moderate it aint! I sense many ex-Dotty supporters returning to the fold.[/p][/quote]"Honest Rog". Who chose that name for you? Certainly not anyone who has read any of your posts. If you use honest in a name isn't that rather along the same lines as "The Ministry of Truth" in 1984? I see you have started the mis-quoting me already. We were expecting dirty tricks from the dirty tricks party. We would be disappointed if you did not. We were expecting it. We knew it would only be a matter of time before councillors go undercover and do such things, however it is easy enough for anyone reading these posts to go back and see the full sensible quotes and not the pieces "Honest Rog" has cherry picked to mislead you with. In fact, you give yourself away with the parts you have chosen to leave out of my proper quotes. Along with DKYN you post the most nonsensical and deliberately misleading posts on these pages. That's some achievement. I will leave the readers to see your posts for what they are and instead concentrate on answering people who do not need to put "Honest" in their names, people who instead have honesty in their intentions and their questions. What's in a name? In your case, nothing. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

9:04am Fri 7 Feb 14

jasonwatford says...

Oh look this turns into the Phil Cox Blog and Show , This was an article on you so just sit back and take the good and bad comments don't try to defend everything on here as it shows your just another " I'm right about everything" waste of space.
Oh look this turns into the Phil Cox Blog and Show , This was an article on you so just sit back and take the good and bad comments don't try to defend everything on here as it shows your just another " I'm right about everything" waste of space. jasonwatford
  • Score: -4

9:18am Fri 7 Feb 14

not a regular says...

I don't see anything in this article about a war on motorists? Suggestion though, don't call it a war on motorists because I assume you're on about parking spaces and how much it costs to park in them.

It's a war on the high street, if anything. Also reduce their business rates and they will thrive.

No, I don't own, run, or work in a shop.
I don't see anything in this article about a war on motorists? Suggestion though, don't call it a war on motorists because I assume you're on about parking spaces and how much it costs to park in them. It's a war on the high street, if anything. Also reduce their business rates and they will thrive. No, I don't own, run, or work in a shop. not a regular
  • Score: 3

9:20am Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Oh look this turns into the Phil Cox Blog and Show , This was an article on you so just sit back and take the good and bad comments don't try to defend everything on here as it shows your just another " I'm right about everything" waste of space.
Thank you for your advice Jason, but that is not my way.

I will continue to comment because that way voters will know where I stand. If they are going to vote for me, they need to know where I stand on the key issues and what would be different if I become Mayor.

Commenting in these pages is a good way to do so.

What's more I comment under my own name and will continue to do so. There are others, elected councillors, who post on here under assumed names to hide their identities. That, in my opinion is wrong and very cowardly, elected politicians should not post anonymously. It's a matter of decency.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Oh look this turns into the Phil Cox Blog and Show , This was an article on you so just sit back and take the good and bad comments don't try to defend everything on here as it shows your just another " I'm right about everything" waste of space.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your advice Jason, but that is not my way. I will continue to comment because that way voters will know where I stand. If they are going to vote for me, they need to know where I stand on the key issues and what would be different if I become Mayor. Commenting in these pages is a good way to do so. What's more I comment under my own name and will continue to do so. There are others, elected councillors, who post on here under assumed names to hide their identities. That, in my opinion is wrong and very cowardly, elected politicians should not post anonymously. It's a matter of decency. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

9:27am Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

not a regular wrote:
I don't see anything in this article about a war on motorists? Suggestion though, don't call it a war on motorists because I assume you're on about parking spaces and how much it costs to park in them.

It's a war on the high street, if anything. Also reduce their business rates and they will thrive.

No, I don't own, run, or work in a shop.
Our full manifesto will show more than could be included in this article. It will be published this weekend. We are also talking about 20's plenty and speed restrictions as well as parking schemes.

As for your ideas, I like them. We want to be business friendly to help make Watford a thriving town for people and business.

Come along to one of our monthly meetings, find out what we are really about and meet with us. Next one is on 20th Feb at the Town and Country Club, 7:30.
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: I don't see anything in this article about a war on motorists? Suggestion though, don't call it a war on motorists because I assume you're on about parking spaces and how much it costs to park in them. It's a war on the high street, if anything. Also reduce their business rates and they will thrive. No, I don't own, run, or work in a shop.[/p][/quote]Our full manifesto will show more than could be included in this article. It will be published this weekend. We are also talking about 20's plenty and speed restrictions as well as parking schemes. As for your ideas, I like them. We want to be business friendly to help make Watford a thriving town for people and business. Come along to one of our monthly meetings, find out what we are really about and meet with us. Next one is on 20th Feb at the Town and Country Club, 7:30. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

10:08am Fri 7 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

Honest Rog wrote:
It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense PhilHi I'm Dan Channing . I'm the UKIP Candidate for Tudor ward in the coming local elections. Honest Rog you couldn't be more wrong about UKIP or Phil. UKIP want Britain to be a global trading nation with a global voice. In the EU Britain is a mere voice of 1 in 27. We want Britain to trade on a global scale not just with the EU. We want to also keep our free trade deal with the EU after we leave it and also form our own free trade area with the commonwealth. The LibLabCon want us in the EU were our global voice is severely restricted. If we leave we can be a global voice with nobody telling us how loud we can shout. Having said that it would appear it is the LibLabCon who are the 'littleEnglanders' we in UKIP are the GreatBritainers!

I have to say I find it very immature of you to be still going on about what that councillor said. You get idiots in all political parties and this mans silly comment regarding the weather is not UKIP policy do get over it. UKIP don't support gay marriage because it is not fair to put gay rights above religious rights and vice versa. UKIP believe in equality for all (maybe not criminals). As an openly gay man I am deeply offended that you would suggest even in the slightest way being against gay marriage makes someone homophobic!

Here's a little UKIP common sense for you....if UKIP had a problem with gay people I wouldn't be in the party now would I. Find a new smear!

Dan Channing
UKIP Candidate
Tudor Ward
[quote][p][bold]Honest Rog[/bold] wrote: It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense PhilHi I'm Dan Channing . I'm the UKIP Candidate for Tudor ward in the coming local elections. Honest Rog you couldn't be more wrong about UKIP or Phil. UKIP want Britain to be a global trading nation with a global voice. In the EU Britain is a mere voice of 1 in 27. We want Britain to trade on a global scale not just with the EU. We want to also keep our free trade deal with the EU after we leave it and also form our own free trade area with the commonwealth. The LibLabCon want us in the EU were our global voice is severely restricted. If we leave we can be a global voice with nobody telling us how loud we can shout. Having said that it would appear it is the LibLabCon who are the 'littleEnglanders' we in UKIP are the GreatBritainers! I have to say I find it very immature of you to be still going on about what that councillor said. You get idiots in all political parties and this mans silly comment regarding the weather is not UKIP policy do get over it. UKIP don't support gay marriage because it is not fair to put gay rights above religious rights and vice versa. UKIP believe in equality for all (maybe not criminals). As an openly gay man I am deeply offended that you would suggest even in the slightest way being against gay marriage makes someone homophobic! Here's a little UKIP common sense for you....if UKIP had a problem with gay people I wouldn't be in the party now would I. Find a new smear! Dan Channing UKIP Candidate Tudor Ward ukip-dan
  • Score: 4

10:40am Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Honest Rog wrote:
It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense Phil" cos the current administration "has simply been in power for too long". Thanks for that insightful analysis. Can't wait for the manifesto pledges on climate change...oh forgot; Phil's going for the Clarksoneque petrolhead vote. Same sex mariage? Better check with god-bothering fellow party members. There you go; two issues in one, i.e. climate change is caused by indulging in "unnatural" practices. Now that will have the swivel-eyed loons scratching their heads. Labour-SDP-UKIP. See the direction? Moderate it aint! I sense many ex-Dotty supporters returning to the fold.
Your post in one long diatribe of outdated clichés. Please could you at least make an effort to be original.

Instead of throwing sideswipe insults, how about some proper argument or debate?
[quote][p][bold]Honest Rog[/bold] wrote: It appears that Little Englanders are appealing to voters to vote for "common sense Phil" cos the current administration "has simply been in power for too long". Thanks for that insightful analysis. Can't wait for the manifesto pledges on climate change...oh forgot; Phil's going for the Clarksoneque petrolhead vote. Same sex mariage? Better check with god-bothering fellow party members. There you go; two issues in one, i.e. climate change is caused by indulging in "unnatural" practices. Now that will have the swivel-eyed loons scratching their heads. Labour-SDP-UKIP. See the direction? Moderate it aint! I sense many ex-Dotty supporters returning to the fold.[/p][/quote]Your post in one long diatribe of outdated clichés. Please could you at least make an effort to be original. Instead of throwing sideswipe insults, how about some proper argument or debate? D_Penn
  • Score: -1

10:47am Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

dontknowynot wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
dontknowynot wrote: in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does
You have a very weird sense of humour. You seem to want to obsessively attack everything and everybody to do with UKIP on the Watford Observer. I'm heartened. You must be getting very worried. As Gandhi said, "'First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they attack you. Then you win ." You seem to be around the stage 2/3 level right now. Around May time you should expect to arrive stage 4.
it is funny sorry Common Phil and fellow UKIPers what ever happened to that famous English sense of Irony, come on I can laugh with you or at you on this, really I can the choice is yours as for Gandhi I think you are about to make his statement go backwards BYe BYe on another thread
Hmmm, I was wrong, you are not very worried. You are extremely worried.

You also seem to be running out of steam for arguments, which is unsurprising since most of the time you are fighting common sense.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: in 1981 the gang of four left the labour party and formed the SDP due to Labour going for unilateral nuclear disarmament and wanting to leave Europe P Cox joined the SDP pro Europe and then Libdem pro nuclear disarmament, It does make me Laugh sorry UKIPers it just does[/p][/quote]You have a very weird sense of humour. You seem to want to obsessively attack everything and everybody to do with UKIP on the Watford Observer. I'm heartened. You must be getting very worried. As Gandhi said, "'First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they attack you. Then you win ." You seem to be around the stage 2/3 level right now. Around May time you should expect to arrive stage 4.[/p][/quote]it is funny sorry Common Phil and fellow UKIPers what ever happened to that famous English sense of Irony, come on I can laugh with you or at you on this, really I can the choice is yours as for Gandhi I think you are about to make his statement go backwards BYe BYe on another thread[/p][/quote]Hmmm, I was wrong, you are not very worried. You are [bold]extremely[/bold] worried. You also seem to be running out of steam for arguments, which is unsurprising since most of the time you are fighting common sense. D_Penn
  • Score: 0

10:58am Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken.

She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.
Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken. She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

12:07pm Fri 7 Feb 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken.

She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.
PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!!

if you have something to say say it
For the last time I am not Anne Joynes the Labour cllr.
So here is the DKYN is Anne Joynes say so call Anne Joynes a liar
I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her

Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken. She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.[/p][/quote]PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!! if you have something to say say it For the last time I am not Anne Joynes the Labour cllr. So here is the DKYN is Anne Joynes say so call Anne Joynes a liar I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool UKIP-pal
  • Score: -3

12:18pm Fri 7 Feb 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken.

She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.
there you go getting me tongue tied
so lets make it clearer

PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!!

if you have something to say-SAY IT!!
I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR
So here is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!!
IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER LIAR

(I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her)

Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken. She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.[/p][/quote]there you go getting me tongue tied so lets make it clearer PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!! if you have something to say-SAY IT!! I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR So here is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!! IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER LIAR (I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her) Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR UKIP-pal
  • Score: -5

12:43pm Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Nobody said UKIP-pal is Anne Jones did they, so what is that post all about?

Clearly some boorish oaf with nothing useful to offer to the topic.
Nobody said UKIP-pal is Anne Jones did they, so what is that post all about? Clearly some boorish oaf with nothing useful to offer to the topic. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

12:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken.

She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.
PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!!

if you have something to say-SAY IT!!
I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR
So here it is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!!
IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER A LIAR

(I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her)

Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken. She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.[/p][/quote]PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!! if you have something to say-SAY IT!! I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR So here it is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!! IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER A LIAR (I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her) Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR dontknowynot
  • Score: -6

12:54pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken.

She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.
PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!!

if you have something to say-SAY IT!!
I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR
So here it is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!!
IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER A LIAR

(I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her)

Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR
oh and because it could do with repeating
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Anne has a lot to be worried about. Although not up for election this year, she hold two council seats, local and county if I am not mistaken. She personally has a lot to lose by the rise of UKIP.[/p][/quote]PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!! if you have something to say-SAY IT!! I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR So here it is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!! IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER A LIAR (I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her) Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR[/p][/quote]oh and because it could do with repeating dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

1:00pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@ukip-dan
the commonwealth get back to the 70's mate China is more important to the commonwealth nations now then come Japan, USA and Europe in various orders depending what part of the world.
@ukip-dan the commonwealth get back to the 70's mate China is more important to the commonwealth nations now then come Japan, USA and Europe in various orders depending what part of the world. dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

1:11pm Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Some might read the above and conclude that dontknowynot and ukip-pal are one and the same person. Might not have guessed that if it hadn't been for the clear give away.

Why would someone use more than one name to post under except to try to mislead and confuse readers? Shameful.
Some might read the above and conclude that dontknowynot and ukip-pal are one and the same person. Might not have guessed that if it hadn't been for the clear give away. Why would someone use more than one name to post under except to try to mislead and confuse readers? Shameful. D_Penn
  • Score: 5

1:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons.

You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons.

Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you.

If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you.
OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons. You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons. Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you. If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

1:18pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons.

You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons.

Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you.

If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you.
PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!!

if you have something to say-SAY IT!!
I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR
So here is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!!
IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER LIAR

(I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her)

Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons. You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons. Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you. If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you.[/p][/quote]PHIL I FIND YOU PERSONALLY A SPINELESS IDIOT !!!! if you have something to say-SAY IT!! I AM NOT ANNE JOYNES THE LABOUR CLLR So here is:- IF YOU THINK DKYN is Anne Joynes SAY SO!!! IF YOU THINK ANNE JOYNES IS ME CALL HER LIAR (I will then contact her via the council if needed to tell her) Simple, or you can remain in my mind a spineless fool UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO I WILL BE ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED IN ARGUING THAT YOU ARE A SPINELESS IDIOT NOT FIT TO BE MAYOR dontknowynot
  • Score: -5

1:25pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons.

You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons.

Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you.

If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you.
So Phil cox

come out with it who are you accusing of what?

Have you not got the spine to say openly and unequivocally what you are implying with your spineless, cowardly ineundo.

I thought you were meant to be a straight talking person of the people and all that, clearly you are just a sneaky fool scared to say what you imply because you know it is just a smear on a internet poster and a county cllr.

If what you say is true you have nothing to fear here Phil Cox by ditching the code and innuendo have you???
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons. You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons. Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you. If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you.[/p][/quote]So Phil cox come out with it who are you accusing of what? Have you not got the spine to say openly and unequivocally what you are implying with your spineless, cowardly ineundo. I thought you were meant to be a straight talking person of the people and all that, clearly you are just a sneaky fool scared to say what you imply because you know it is just a smear on a internet poster and a county cllr. If what you say is true you have nothing to fear here Phil Cox by ditching the code and innuendo have you??? dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

1:29pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification.

I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.
Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification. I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification.

I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.
Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford

I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers.
You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public'

Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification. I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.[/p][/quote]Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers. You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public' Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

2:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

dontknowynot wrote:
@ukip-dan the commonwealth get back to the 70's mate China is more important to the commonwealth nations now then come Japan, USA and Europe in various orders depending what part of the world.
Well dnyk I'm 27 so I have neither been in the 70's nor do I have the capability to go back . Looks like you will just have to put up with me :-)
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @ukip-dan the commonwealth get back to the 70's mate China is more important to the commonwealth nations now then come Japan, USA and Europe in various orders depending what part of the world.[/p][/quote]Well dnyk I'm 27 so I have neither been in the 70's nor do I have the capability to go back . Looks like you will just have to put up with me :-) ukip-dan
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Harry's Bar says...

dontknowynot wrote:
"initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour."

A bit of a FLOATER then
.... quickly flush it away.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: "initially a Labour member in his youth before moving to the Social Democratic Party, which broke away from Labour in 1981. He remained a member of the party when it became the Liberal Democrats and later rejoined Labour." A bit of a FLOATER then[/p][/quote].... quickly flush it away. Harry's Bar
  • Score: -1

3:38pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification.

I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.
Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford

I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers.
You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public'

Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool
Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox
Its the common sense thing to do.
So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward?????
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification. I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.[/p][/quote]Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers. You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public' Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool[/p][/quote]Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox Its the common sense thing to do. So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward????? dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

3:55pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification.

I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.
Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford

I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers.
You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public'

Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool
Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox
Its the common sense thing to do.
So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward?????
Come and speak to me at one of our open public meetings.

The next one is on the 20th, 7:30 at the Town and Country Club.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification. I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.[/p][/quote]Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers. You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public' Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool[/p][/quote]Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox Its the common sense thing to do. So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward?????[/p][/quote]Come and speak to me at one of our open public meetings. The next one is on the 20th, 7:30 at the Town and Country Club. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Fri 7 Feb 14

EU_OUT_NOW says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Always comments on everything on here , Does nothing but moan all the time , he will never get my vote
Maybe you prefer Dotty. Discuss nothing, show no consideration for the needs of local people, just dictate and tell the people of Waford what they WILL get. I'm glad he does comment on here, that way I can get an idea of the guys views and intentions. Dotty has been our Mayor for some time and I know absolutely nothing about her policies, her views, or her. NOTHING.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Always comments on everything on here , Does nothing but moan all the time , he will never get my vote[/p][/quote]Maybe you prefer Dotty. Discuss nothing, show no consideration for the needs of local people, just dictate and tell the people of Waford what they WILL get. I'm glad he does comment on here, that way I can get an idea of the guys views and intentions. Dotty has been our Mayor for some time and I know absolutely nothing about her policies, her views, or her. NOTHING. EU_OUT_NOW
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification.

I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.
Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford

I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers.
You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public'

Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool
Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox
Its the common sense thing to do.
So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward?????
Come and speak to me at one of our open public meetings.

The next one is on the 20th, 7:30 at the Town and Country Club.
Nope

but I tell you what life is to short why don't you just say SORRY and we can be done???
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification. I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.[/p][/quote]Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers. You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public' Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool[/p][/quote]Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox Its the common sense thing to do. So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward?????[/p][/quote]Come and speak to me at one of our open public meetings. The next one is on the 20th, 7:30 at the Town and Country Club.[/p][/quote]Nope but I tell you what life is to short why don't you just say SORRY and we can be done??? dontknowynot
  • Score: -4

4:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Carl S says...

@ dontknowynot

Whose the coward here? The one who hides behind various pseudonyms, or the one who's prepared to meet with you face to face and discuss your differences?

Anyway, surely these comment sessions should be an opportunity to discuss the problems that affect Watford, and how they can be addressed - not endless personal bickering between a handful of people.
@ dontknowynot Whose the coward here? The one who hides behind various pseudonyms, or the one who's prepared to meet with you face to face and discuss your differences? Anyway, surely these comment sessions should be an opportunity to discuss the problems that affect Watford, and how they can be addressed - not endless personal bickering between a handful of people. Carl S
  • Score: 6

4:32pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Carl S wrote:
@ dontknowynot

Whose the coward here? The one who hides behind various pseudonyms, or the one who's prepared to meet with you face to face and discuss your differences?

Anyway, surely these comment sessions should be an opportunity to discuss the problems that affect Watford, and how they can be addressed - not endless personal bickering between a handful of people.
I post on here anon and have no prob with that, you have an anon name or partial name that means nothing to me I have no problem with that.
Phil Cox uses his name I have no problem with that.
The problem I have is that having posted I get labeled as someone else and I am not, I an I and that is not this someone else, Ihave been accused of being someone else in order to discredit the things I had to say that is the very discussion you prize.
Across a number of threads these UKIP commitee members have accused me of being something and something I am not, they do this by innuendo inference etc but Phil Cox will never say it straight out, because they know or fear it is just a slur and a lie.
I believe he is a coward for not saying it
That is Phil Cox is a coward for not posting "DKYN is CLLR ANNE JOYNES"
NOw he can put up or shut up here on the WO board not in the anon surroundings of a meting with him and his commitee
[quote][p][bold]Carl S[/bold] wrote: @ dontknowynot Whose the coward here? The one who hides behind various pseudonyms, or the one who's prepared to meet with you face to face and discuss your differences? Anyway, surely these comment sessions should be an opportunity to discuss the problems that affect Watford, and how they can be addressed - not endless personal bickering between a handful of people.[/p][/quote]I post on here anon and have no prob with that, you have an anon name or partial name that means nothing to me I have no problem with that. Phil Cox uses his name I have no problem with that. The problem I have is that having posted I get labeled as someone else and I am not, I an I and that is not this someone else, Ihave been accused of being someone else in order to discredit the things I had to say that is the very discussion you prize. Across a number of threads these UKIP commitee members have accused me of being something and something I am not, they do this by innuendo inference etc but Phil Cox will never say it straight out, because they know or fear it is just a slur and a lie. I believe he is a coward for not saying it That is Phil Cox is a coward for not posting "DKYN is CLLR ANNE JOYNES" NOw he can put up or shut up here on the WO board not in the anon surroundings of a meting with him and his commitee dontknowynot
  • Score: -4

4:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Agreed Carl S.

But how do you debate with someone who does not have the confidence to meet you for a frank exchange of ideas? Whenever we try to have a proper debate here, DKYN pops up spitting anti-UKIP venom about something off-topic.

My personal suspicion is that she is trying to follow an old left-wingers trick of trying to obfuscate by insult and distraction. Perhaps I should just ignore her baiting, but it's not in my nature to let people get away with playing games. Sorry.
Agreed Carl S. But how do you debate with someone who does not have the confidence to meet you for a frank exchange of ideas? Whenever we try to have a proper debate here, DKYN pops up spitting anti-UKIP venom about something off-topic. My personal suspicion is that she is trying to follow an old left-wingers trick of trying to obfuscate by insult and distraction. Perhaps I should just ignore her baiting, but it's not in my nature to let people get away with playing games. Sorry. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

4:41pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Carl S wrote:
@ dontknowynot

Whose the coward here? The one who hides behind various pseudonyms, or the one who's prepared to meet with you face to face and discuss your differences?

Anyway, surely these comment sessions should be an opportunity to discuss the problems that affect Watford, and how they can be addressed - not endless personal bickering between a handful of people.
BTWI have only ever made two posts as someone other than DKNY
that is on here as UKIP-pal jjust to see how easy it would be really
[quote][p][bold]Carl S[/bold] wrote: @ dontknowynot Whose the coward here? The one who hides behind various pseudonyms, or the one who's prepared to meet with you face to face and discuss your differences? Anyway, surely these comment sessions should be an opportunity to discuss the problems that affect Watford, and how they can be addressed - not endless personal bickering between a handful of people.[/p][/quote]BTWI have only ever made two posts as someone other than DKNY that is on here as UKIP-pal jjust to see how easy it would be really dontknowynot
  • Score: -5

4:42pm Fri 7 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

dontknowynot wrote:
@ukip-dan the commonwealth get back to the 70's mate China is more important to the commonwealth nations now then come Japan, USA and Europe in various orders depending what part of the world.
Well dnyk I'm 27 so I have neither been in the 70's nor do I have the capability to go back . Looks like you will just have to put up with me :-)
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @ukip-dan the commonwealth get back to the 70's mate China is more important to the commonwealth nations now then come Japan, USA and Europe in various orders depending what part of the world.[/p][/quote]Well dnyk I'm 27 so I have neither been in the 70's nor do I have the capability to go back . Looks like you will just have to put up with me :-) ukip-dan
  • Score: 1

4:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification.

I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.
Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford

I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers.
You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public'

Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool
Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox
Its the common sense thing to do.
So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward?????
clearly the intended recipient is Phil Cox
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Come to our meetings if you need any further clarification. I'm sure readers have got the gist of what sort of poster you are by now.[/p][/quote]Phil cox-UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford I am the kind of poster who resents you calling me a Liar, I will not be dictated to by a spineless fool saying that I should go along to a meeting to get answers. You made the accusations in public you can back them up in public' Furthermore I sort of like the WO website and fail to see why it should be used by you and your gang for propaganda,spam or campaign tool[/p][/quote]Just put your accusation in clear language Phil Cox Its the common sense thing to do. So come on Mayoral candidate or are you a Coward?????[/p][/quote]clearly the intended recipient is Phil Cox dontknowynot
  • Score: -4

5:02pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Carl S says...

D_Penn wrote:
Agreed Carl S.

But how do you debate with someone who does not have the confidence to meet you for a frank exchange of ideas? Whenever we try to have a proper debate here, DKYN pops up spitting anti-UKIP venom about something off-topic.

My personal suspicion is that she is trying to follow an old left-wingers trick of trying to obfuscate by insult and distraction. Perhaps I should just ignore her baiting, but it's not in my nature to let people get away with playing games. Sorry.
D_Penn

It is usually clear early on if someone is open to reasonable debate. Where it clearly isn't, it is best not to get drawn too far into the game. Otherwise you have been baited, and caught!

Don't get distracted, and continue to put forward your points to a more receptive audience.
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: Agreed Carl S. But how do you debate with someone who does not have the confidence to meet you for a frank exchange of ideas? Whenever we try to have a proper debate here, DKYN pops up spitting anti-UKIP venom about something off-topic. My personal suspicion is that she is trying to follow an old left-wingers trick of trying to obfuscate by insult and distraction. Perhaps I should just ignore her baiting, but it's not in my nature to let people get away with playing games. Sorry.[/p][/quote]D_Penn It is usually clear early on if someone is open to reasonable debate. Where it clearly isn't, it is best not to get drawn too far into the game. Otherwise you have been baited, and caught! Don't get distracted, and continue to put forward your points to a more receptive audience. Carl S
  • Score: 8

6:52pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Carl S wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Agreed Carl S.

But how do you debate with someone who does not have the confidence to meet you for a frank exchange of ideas? Whenever we try to have a proper debate here, DKYN pops up spitting anti-UKIP venom about something off-topic.

My personal suspicion is that she is trying to follow an old left-wingers trick of trying to obfuscate by insult and distraction. Perhaps I should just ignore her baiting, but it's not in my nature to let people get away with playing games. Sorry.
D_Penn

It is usually clear early on if someone is open to reasonable debate. Where it clearly isn't, it is best not to get drawn too far into the game. Otherwise you have been baited, and caught!

Don't get distracted, and continue to put forward your points to a more receptive audience.
its simple if you chose to have an open debate on a newspaper website the idea is that the debate stays there, A very simple concept,
The fact is that Phil Cox and members of the UKIP committee have decided to smear me and a Labour Party CLLR with innuendo and lies.
This is not debate it is Mischief because they will not debate in an honest fashion
They are cowards because they will not say in an open and honest way what they imply.
I chose to be anon and that is my right, I register with the WO so it is a confidential anon not an absolute. These guys chose for there own reason to not be anon I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is a bunch of people telling lies about me and someone else because they do not agree with me and I do not agree with them.
[quote][p][bold]Carl S[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: Agreed Carl S. But how do you debate with someone who does not have the confidence to meet you for a frank exchange of ideas? Whenever we try to have a proper debate here, DKYN pops up spitting anti-UKIP venom about something off-topic. My personal suspicion is that she is trying to follow an old left-wingers trick of trying to obfuscate by insult and distraction. Perhaps I should just ignore her baiting, but it's not in my nature to let people get away with playing games. Sorry.[/p][/quote]D_Penn It is usually clear early on if someone is open to reasonable debate. Where it clearly isn't, it is best not to get drawn too far into the game. Otherwise you have been baited, and caught! Don't get distracted, and continue to put forward your points to a more receptive audience.[/p][/quote]its simple if you chose to have an open debate on a newspaper website the idea is that the debate stays there, A very simple concept, The fact is that Phil Cox and members of the UKIP committee have decided to smear me and a Labour Party CLLR with innuendo and lies. This is not debate it is Mischief because they will not debate in an honest fashion They are cowards because they will not say in an open and honest way what they imply. I chose to be anon and that is my right, I register with the WO so it is a confidential anon not an absolute. These guys chose for there own reason to not be anon I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is a bunch of people telling lies about me and someone else because they do not agree with me and I do not agree with them. dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

7:29pm Fri 7 Feb 14

WatfordAlex says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But:

'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?
You define common sense as what most people think. I prefer a more thoughtful definition.

At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared.

Common sense, according to you, would say the world was flat.

I would qualify what you have said.

I would say that common sense is what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation.

Such common sense would say the world is round.



It is often in the interests of politicians not to give out the facts, or to mislead people with false "facts". Take for example the Health Campus. Those allotment plot holders who were against losing their beloved allotment plots were told by the powers that be and their supporters that they were against progress, that they were against Watford getting a shiny new hospital. Look at the facts again now. There is no shiny new hospital. The "facts" given out then by the council have turned out to be misleading at best.

What we are trying to do here in Watford is to remove an arrogant administration and replace it with one that will listen to the people of Watford and try to do what they need.

We in UKIP do not think we know best and that only our ideas have any merit.

We have ideas, yes, we hope they are the best ideas but it is very easy and democratic for the electorate to put us in our place via a binding local referendum.

Try doing that now. Not only is it impossible to overrule the council, no-one in the ruling LibDems will listen to you. They are only interested in telling the people of Watford what to do, not in listening to you.

Ask people on the Cassiobury who are unhappy over transport arrangements for the new school. Ask them if they thing the council is listening, if the Mayor is listening.

The choice is simple. Dotty or democracy. Do you want to be told what's good for you or do you want to have a chance to decide for yourself, democratically?

Vote Ukip and let's get rid of the arrogance of an administration that has simply been in power for too long.
That's a pretty desperate response Phil. 'Common sense' is not what most people think, but "what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation". So essentially your saying that most people are wrong when they support a ban on handguns 'because they haven't thought about it enough'!?

You know what you sound like: an out of touch politician. Unable to accept your views on various things are out of step with what most people think, you respond by saying that they would agree with you if only they thought about things properly.

'Common sense' is a vacuous term used by pub bores when facts do not support their ideological beliefs. The only scientifically rigorous definition for the term would be if it meant 'what most people think'. As it stands, it means whatever you want it to mean, which leaves it as a meaningless soundbite.

The world is really complex Phil. Sometimes there are easy answers, but most of the time there is no perfect answer. 'Common sense' just does not cut it.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But: 'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?[/p][/quote]You define common sense as what most people think. I prefer a more thoughtful definition. At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared. Common sense, according to you, would say the world was flat. I would qualify what you have said. I would say that common sense is what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation. Such common sense would say the world is round. It is often in the interests of politicians not to give out the facts, or to mislead people with false "facts". Take for example the Health Campus. Those allotment plot holders who were against losing their beloved allotment plots were told by the powers that be and their supporters that they were against progress, that they were against Watford getting a shiny new hospital. Look at the facts again now. There is no shiny new hospital. The "facts" given out then by the council have turned out to be misleading at best. What we are trying to do here in Watford is to remove an arrogant administration and replace it with one that will listen to the people of Watford and try to do what they need. We in UKIP do not think we know best and that only our ideas have any merit. We have ideas, yes, we hope they are the best ideas but it is very easy and democratic for the electorate to put us in our place via a binding local referendum. Try doing that now. Not only is it impossible to overrule the council, no-one in the ruling LibDems will listen to you. They are only interested in telling the people of Watford what to do, not in listening to you. Ask people on the Cassiobury who are unhappy over transport arrangements for the new school. Ask them if they thing the council is listening, if the Mayor is listening. The choice is simple. Dotty or democracy. Do you want to be told what's good for you or do you want to have a chance to decide for yourself, democratically? Vote Ukip and let's get rid of the arrogance of an administration that has simply been in power for too long.[/p][/quote]That's a pretty desperate response Phil. 'Common sense' is not what most people think, but "what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation". So essentially your saying that most people are wrong when they support a ban on handguns 'because they haven't thought about it enough'!? You know what you sound like: an out of touch politician. Unable to accept your views on various things are out of step with what most people think, you respond by saying that they would agree with you if only they thought about things properly. 'Common sense' is a vacuous term used by pub bores when facts do not support their ideological beliefs. The only scientifically rigorous definition for the term would be if it meant 'what most people think'. As it stands, it means whatever you want it to mean, which leaves it as a meaningless soundbite. The world is really complex Phil. Sometimes there are easy answers, but most of the time there is no perfect answer. 'Common sense' just does not cut it. WatfordAlex
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7:49pm Fri 7 Feb 14

WatfordAlex says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
'War on motorists'. I may have missed something but I have not seen shells being fired from the Town Hall at people in cars. If you turn on the news and watch the coverage of Syria you will see what a war really looks like. Taking your rather crass language as a given, what has the 'war' got to do with Watford? Petrol tax is a national government policy, as are speed limits. Speed cameras are done by the County Council, as are width restrictions. There is no congestion charge in Watford. CPZs are a local thing to be fair, but i've never heard anyone complaining about the existing ones as they stop commuters blocking up all the parking spaces in front of people's houses. So that just leaves car park charges. You could get rid of them, but then you'd have to put up Council tax to make up the lost income, which isn't very fair on the majority is it Phil.
It's a bit more complicated than that Alex.

Everyone understands the meaning behind "war on the motorist". Policies that target, often for money, motorists.

The phrase "War on......" is widely used.

You would not expect War on Want to be sending out soldiers to kill the needy of the world - or the war on drugs to result in anyone smoking a spliff being shot and bombed - no, it's just a common phrase in everyday use.

If you haven't heard it before, you really need to get out more. Mix with more people.

Please feel free to contact War on Want and the governments of Labour, Conservatives and LibDems for their use of such crass language in the War on drugs but I suspect most people will not follow your thinking.

Our full manifesto will be published in the next few days. Read it then and see what you think.
'War on want' - haven't heard anyone refer to them since the 80s, but I see they do still exist. I find 'war on drugs' just as tired a cliche as any other 'war on...', but at least that one has more substance than your fatuous usage. The 'war on drugs' involves special forces blowing up drug suppliers in Central/South America and dealers being imprisoned. When did you last see the Council blowing up a car factory or closing down a car showroom as the staff are arrested?!

Good to see you ducked the question about how you can substantiate the 'war on motorists' when there isn't one. Will await you magical manifesto with interest...
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: 'War on motorists'. I may have missed something but I have not seen shells being fired from the Town Hall at people in cars. If you turn on the news and watch the coverage of Syria you will see what a war really looks like. Taking your rather crass language as a given, what has the 'war' got to do with Watford? Petrol tax is a national government policy, as are speed limits. Speed cameras are done by the County Council, as are width restrictions. There is no congestion charge in Watford. CPZs are a local thing to be fair, but i've never heard anyone complaining about the existing ones as they stop commuters blocking up all the parking spaces in front of people's houses. So that just leaves car park charges. You could get rid of them, but then you'd have to put up Council tax to make up the lost income, which isn't very fair on the majority is it Phil.[/p][/quote]It's a bit more complicated than that Alex. Everyone understands the meaning behind "war on the motorist". Policies that target, often for money, motorists. The phrase "War on......" is widely used. You would not expect War on Want to be sending out soldiers to kill the needy of the world - or the war on drugs to result in anyone smoking a spliff being shot and bombed - no, it's just a common phrase in everyday use. If you haven't heard it before, you really need to get out more. Mix with more people. Please feel free to contact War on Want and the governments of Labour, Conservatives and LibDems for their use of such crass language in the War on drugs but I suspect most people will not follow your thinking. Our full manifesto will be published in the next few days. Read it then and see what you think.[/p][/quote]'War on want' - haven't heard anyone refer to them since the 80s, but I see they do still exist. I find 'war on drugs' just as tired a cliche as any other 'war on...', but at least that one has more substance than your fatuous usage. The 'war on drugs' involves special forces blowing up drug suppliers in Central/South America and dealers being imprisoned. When did you last see the Council blowing up a car factory or closing down a car showroom as the staff are arrested?! Good to see you ducked the question about how you can substantiate the 'war on motorists' when there isn't one. Will await you magical manifesto with interest... WatfordAlex
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But:

'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?
You define common sense as what most people think. I prefer a more thoughtful definition.

At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared.

Common sense, according to you, would say the world was flat.

I would qualify what you have said.

I would say that common sense is what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation.

Such common sense would say the world is round.



It is often in the interests of politicians not to give out the facts, or to mislead people with false "facts". Take for example the Health Campus. Those allotment plot holders who were against losing their beloved allotment plots were told by the powers that be and their supporters that they were against progress, that they were against Watford getting a shiny new hospital. Look at the facts again now. There is no shiny new hospital. The "facts" given out then by the council have turned out to be misleading at best.

What we are trying to do here in Watford is to remove an arrogant administration and replace it with one that will listen to the people of Watford and try to do what they need.

We in UKIP do not think we know best and that only our ideas have any merit.

We have ideas, yes, we hope they are the best ideas but it is very easy and democratic for the electorate to put us in our place via a binding local referendum.

Try doing that now. Not only is it impossible to overrule the council, no-one in the ruling LibDems will listen to you. They are only interested in telling the people of Watford what to do, not in listening to you.

Ask people on the Cassiobury who are unhappy over transport arrangements for the new school. Ask them if they thing the council is listening, if the Mayor is listening.

The choice is simple. Dotty or democracy. Do you want to be told what's good for you or do you want to have a chance to decide for yourself, democratically?

Vote Ukip and let's get rid of the arrogance of an administration that has simply been in power for too long.
That's a pretty desperate response Phil. 'Common sense' is not what most people think, but "what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation". So essentially your saying that most people are wrong when they support a ban on handguns 'because they haven't thought about it enough'!?

You know what you sound like: an out of touch politician. Unable to accept your views on various things are out of step with what most people think, you respond by saying that they would agree with you if only they thought about things properly.

'Common sense' is a vacuous term used by pub bores when facts do not support their ideological beliefs. The only scientifically rigorous definition for the term would be if it meant 'what most people think'. As it stands, it means whatever you want it to mean, which leaves it as a meaningless soundbite.

The world is really complex Phil. Sometimes there are easy answers, but most of the time there is no perfect answer. 'Common sense' just does not cut it.
Common sense is a well understood term. The fact you have no faith in it is a matter for you.

And please, there is no need to put words in my mouth, I am perfectly capable of speaking for myself.

You may not personally like UKIP or what it stands for, it may be against your views or you may just be a victim of listening to the sort of soundbites put out by other political parties who feel threatened by UKIP.

Most people however will understand the value of common sense. They might wish their local council showed more of it.

You ask "Are most people wrong when they support a ban on handguns?"

Do most people support a ban on handguns - I don't know? I haven't seen a recent survey, but I suspect you are correct.

UKIP has no policy on handgun possession. No doubt it is developing one and recently Nigel Farage made comments about it to which you are no doubt referring.

I do not agree with Nigel on this issue. I am happy to listen to the arguments from both sides, but at present I am in favour of banning handguns from individuals possession. Gun clubs maybe, but individuals, no.

I agree with you about the world being complex and there often are no easy answers. Applying some common sense can go a long way in finding the best solution, taking into account all the other factors of the issue in question. It is far better than political party dogma and strict obedience to the party leaders.

UKIP will be a breath of fresh air for Watford.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Well done for having the ballls to stand. It's more than me or most other people would do But: 'Common sense' must surely mean what the majority of people think. So how is UKIP applying 'common sense' when it supports legalising handguns, banning gay marriage, denying climate change, opposing a ban on smoking in cars with children - because every one of those examples is at odds with what most people think (according to national opinion polls)?[/p][/quote]You define common sense as what most people think. I prefer a more thoughtful definition. At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared. Common sense, according to you, would say the world was flat. I would qualify what you have said. I would say that common sense is what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation. Such common sense would say the world is round. It is often in the interests of politicians not to give out the facts, or to mislead people with false "facts". Take for example the Health Campus. Those allotment plot holders who were against losing their beloved allotment plots were told by the powers that be and their supporters that they were against progress, that they were against Watford getting a shiny new hospital. Look at the facts again now. There is no shiny new hospital. The "facts" given out then by the council have turned out to be misleading at best. What we are trying to do here in Watford is to remove an arrogant administration and replace it with one that will listen to the people of Watford and try to do what they need. We in UKIP do not think we know best and that only our ideas have any merit. We have ideas, yes, we hope they are the best ideas but it is very easy and democratic for the electorate to put us in our place via a binding local referendum. Try doing that now. Not only is it impossible to overrule the council, no-one in the ruling LibDems will listen to you. They are only interested in telling the people of Watford what to do, not in listening to you. Ask people on the Cassiobury who are unhappy over transport arrangements for the new school. Ask them if they thing the council is listening, if the Mayor is listening. The choice is simple. Dotty or democracy. Do you want to be told what's good for you or do you want to have a chance to decide for yourself, democratically? Vote Ukip and let's get rid of the arrogance of an administration that has simply been in power for too long.[/p][/quote]That's a pretty desperate response Phil. 'Common sense' is not what most people think, but "what most people think when they have given an issue due consideration based upon the full facts of the situation". So essentially your saying that most people are wrong when they support a ban on handguns 'because they haven't thought about it enough'!? You know what you sound like: an out of touch politician. Unable to accept your views on various things are out of step with what most people think, you respond by saying that they would agree with you if only they thought about things properly. 'Common sense' is a vacuous term used by pub bores when facts do not support their ideological beliefs. The only scientifically rigorous definition for the term would be if it meant 'what most people think'. As it stands, it means whatever you want it to mean, which leaves it as a meaningless soundbite. The world is really complex Phil. Sometimes there are easy answers, but most of the time there is no perfect answer. 'Common sense' just does not cut it.[/p][/quote]Common sense is a well understood term. The fact you have no faith in it is a matter for you. And please, there is no need to put words in my mouth, I am perfectly capable of speaking for myself. You may not personally like UKIP or what it stands for, it may be against your views or you may just be a victim of listening to the sort of soundbites put out by other political parties who feel threatened by UKIP. Most people however will understand the value of common sense. They might wish their local council showed more of it. You ask "Are most people wrong when they support a ban on handguns?" Do most people support a ban on handguns - I don't know? I haven't seen a recent survey, but I suspect you are correct. UKIP has no policy on handgun possession. No doubt it is developing one and recently Nigel Farage made comments about it to which you are no doubt referring. I do not agree with Nigel on this issue. I am happy to listen to the arguments from both sides, but at present I am in favour of banning handguns from individuals possession. Gun clubs maybe, but individuals, no. I agree with you about the world being complex and there often are no easy answers. Applying some common sense can go a long way in finding the best solution, taking into account all the other factors of the issue in question. It is far better than political party dogma and strict obedience to the party leaders. UKIP will be a breath of fresh air for Watford. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said 'At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared.

Absolute cr*p as you would expect from a UKIP candidate

The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.

During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost non-existent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology." Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said 'At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared. Absolute cr*p as you would expect from a UKIP candidate The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1] During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost non-existent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[2] According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[3] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[4] Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution.[5] Russell claims "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.[6] Nascot
  • Score: 2

9:58pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Nascot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said 'At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared.

Absolute cr*p as you would expect from a UKIP candidate

The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.

During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost non-existent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology." Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.
I think it rather depends what period you are talking about Nascot.

Go back far enough, it appears this was the prevailing belief.

I am no subject expert and to be honest it was just an example of something I had heard and believed to be true that I used to illustrate a point.

In response to your comment I looked it up and found it is backed up by Wikipedia. Of course it is possible that Wikipedia and I are both wrong, but would you not concede that maybe wewere all right, just thinking of different periods in history?

In fact, it's a good illustration of exactly what I was talking about. Times change, knowledge changes, perceived wisdom changes.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said 'At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared. Absolute cr*p as you would expect from a UKIP candidate The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1] During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost non-existent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[2] According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[3] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[4] Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution.[5] Russell claims "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.[6][/p][/quote]I think it rather depends what period you are talking about Nascot. Go back far enough, it appears this was the prevailing belief. I am no subject expert and to be honest it was just an example of something I had heard and believed to be true that I used to illustrate a point. In response to your comment I looked it up and found it is backed up by Wikipedia. Of course it is possible that Wikipedia and I are both wrong, but would you not concede that maybe wewere all right, just thinking of different periods in history? In fact, it's a good illustration of exactly what I was talking about. Times change, knowledge changes, perceived wisdom changes. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Wed 12 Feb 14

CaptainPC says...

Nascot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said 'At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared.

Absolute cr*p as you would expect from a UKIP candidate

The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.

During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost non-existent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology." Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".

Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. Russell claims "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.
You are a pedant and a bore. Phil makes a valid point and you counter with a C&P from google.
The point was opinions shift and just because the majority of people believe something does not make it true.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said 'At one point most people thought the world was flat, in fact everybody did. There was a lot of fear about sailing out too far and falling off the edge. People were scared. Absolute cr*p as you would expect from a UKIP candidate The myth of the Flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.[1] During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost non-existent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.[2] According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[3] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".[4] Historian Jeffrey Burton Russell says the flat-earth error flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution.[5] Russell claims "with extraordinary [sic] few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat", and credits histories by John William Draper, Andrew Dickson White, and Washington Irving for popularizing the flat-earth myth.[6][/p][/quote]You are a pedant and a bore. Phil makes a valid point and you counter with a C&P from google. The point was opinions shift and just because the majority of people believe something does not make it true. CaptainPC
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