Comment: UKIP aiming to become credible contender for office

IT businessman Phil Cox.

IT businessman Phil Cox.

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

The UK Independence Party’s announcement that it will be standing in the mayoral elections in May signified its growing presence in Watford.

This week, the party unveiled IT businessman Phil Cox as the candidate who will make the party’s first challenge for the most powerful political prize in the town.

This comes off the back of the party making its first serious foray into Watford local elections last year when it stood candidates in five of the town’s six Hertfordshire County Council divisions.

The party failed to win a single seat in the county elections. But in Watford it won an average of 15 per cent of the vote across the town.

Also noteworthy is the fact that in four of the five divisions the party beat the Conservatives.

An average of 15 per cent is not a terrible return for the party’s first major campaign in the town, which was not the most organised or detailed affair.

Last year, UKIP had no local manifesto and only proffered a blanket set of pledges issued by its central office.

This time round there are signs that the party is becoming more organised.

Firstly, it has managed to select and unveil its mayoral candidate before one of the main parties: the Conservatives.

It has also released a set of eight pledges tailored to the Watford mayoral elections. Some of these are rather vague such as founding an "Office of Common Sense" at the town hall.

But there other more detailed pledges, such as a public review of the health campus scheme.

On top of this, the party is working on a more detailed policy manifesto as part of the campaign.

The party is making a concerted effort to become a credible contender for office and the mayoral campaign will afford it a chance to raise its profile in the town.

Yet arguably the more important contest will be the Watford Borough Council elections held on the same day.

These will give the party the chance to stand for 12 borough seats across the town.

If the party can convert its current momentum into a win in any of these wards it will be a decisive moment.

The party would move from a marginal force to one with an elected representative and a louder clearer voice in the town.

An electoral breakthrough is essential if UKIP wants to progress beyond simply being an amateurish pressure group on the town’s political fringes.

And it is hard to think of a more auspicious time for the party to make this breakthrough than these local elections, which are being held on the same day as the European elections.

Nationally, it is riding high in the polls and expects to do well in the European ballot. Meanwhile, the poor performance of the Conservatives in recent local elections means there is a space for another party on the right to make headway in the town.

UKIP has a unique opportunity to turn 2014 into pivotal year for the party in the town.

Likewise, if UKIP comes away from the May elections empty handed, this could be the year the party’s momentum peaks before fading in Watford.

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5:46pm Fri 7 Feb 14

trebleywebley says...

The Office Of Common Sense , sounds something like from a
George Orwell book !
The Office Of Common Sense , sounds something like from a George Orwell book ! trebleywebley
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6:06pm Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

These are exciting times. It's long overdue that Watford had a new and credible political alternative.

The last elections were the first time that we had any great visibility in Watford but over the last 12 months we have grown significantly in numbers as we have gained new members from right across the political spectrum. Now, with ourselves well organised, we are ready to make it a real fight for seats at the coming election. Despite Watford being a tough battlefield for all parties, I suspect we will do very well indeed now that people know we are here.
These are exciting times. It's long overdue that Watford had a new and credible political alternative. The last elections were the first time that we had any great visibility in Watford but over the last 12 months we have grown significantly in numbers as we have gained new members from right across the political spectrum. Now, with ourselves well organised, we are ready to make it a real fight for seats at the coming election. Despite Watford being a tough battlefield for all parties, I suspect we will do very well indeed now that people know we are here. D_Penn
  • Score: -6

8:27pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AlbansWoodBear says...

Yes exciting times indeed, might well be a credible candidate but only time will tell - however I do question if its right that every evening there appears to be a favourable article on Phil Cox and UKIP on the Watford Observer's website.... I always thought the Watford Observer was proud of itself by being unbiased on politics, and would also question the writer's Mike Wright's impartiality, but yes it does seem that Phil Cox will make the Mayoral election different this time around
Yes exciting times indeed, might well be a credible candidate but only time will tell - however I do question if its right that every evening there appears to be a favourable article on Phil Cox and UKIP on the Watford Observer's website.... I always thought the Watford Observer was proud of itself by being unbiased on politics, and would also question the writer's Mike Wright's impartiality, but yes it does seem that Phil Cox will make the Mayoral election different this time around AlbansWoodBear
  • Score: 14

8:29pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

So Phil Cox
having written
“OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons.

You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons.

Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you.

If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you.”

I will simply say you are wrong, you are smearing both myself and Anne Joynes, that you are a spineless coward for not restating it more emphatically and that you are a little man that will not even say sorry for something you know not to be true.

Credible candidate I think not
So Phil Cox having written “OK, you don't want to be known as Anne Joynes. I'm sure you have your reasons. You have also changed your posting name. Again, I'm sure you have your reasons. Personally I think it is wrong for elected officials of the council to post anonymously. It shows a great disrespect for the people that pay your wages and elected you. If you want answers to your questions please come to our monthly public meetings or our monthly street stands where we will be happy to explain anything to you.” I will simply say you are wrong, you are smearing both myself and Anne Joynes, that you are a spineless coward for not restating it more emphatically and that you are a little man that will not even say sorry for something you know not to be true. Credible candidate I think not dontknowynot
  • Score: 6

9:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Looking at the article it states that UKIP are riding high in the opinion polls yet from my observation of polling they peaked last year and the last few months have seen the Tory party narrow the gap with labour at the expense of UKIP.
The idea that UKIP put forward is that they are different but my impression is that they are a tory party that that is how people view them and that that is the main vote they attract (along with others on the far right) This is illustrated by polling by Ashcroft for one of the by elections that has UKIP up by the same amount the Tory part is down and Labour up by the same amount the Liberal democrats are down.
On top of that UKIP in Watford seem to be conducting their campaign by COD debate in the WO, in which they will not address issues apart from on their own terms and in which they make constant spam invitations to their meetings.
My understanding is that they have twelve candidates plus the Mayoral candidate and maybe some other people who will between now and election day try to dominate the WO comments pages with their propaganda.
They will come up with all sorts of nonsense but will state it clear and loud in the belief that that makes them right, it does not!
An example is on trade, The argument that we would be well placed to trade with the commonwealth as been put forward, this is in my opinion madness, India, Africa and Asia are far more concerned with China and Japan indeed even Australia and new Zealand are the same and of course concerned with the US. All see trading with the EU as more important.
This along with any other point I raise will ultimately be ignored, no debate will take place I will be labelled this or that and be given an invitation to discuss at the UKIP meeting. It is something but debate it is not.
Phil Cox also seems to be under the misapprehension that it does not matter if the leader of UKIP is in favour of handguns, a UKIP MEP has madcap ideas about changing the Quran and getting Muslims to sign bits of paper, Phil Cox will clearly state that there is no problem with extremist Muslims in Watford but will not commit to delivering a very clear message to his Partys conference on this.I know because constructively I asked him.
I am sorry but I have found Phil Cox to be utterly disingenuous with his offers to debate, and by looking at the posts of non UKIPers on here I am not alone
Looking at the article it states that UKIP are riding high in the opinion polls yet from my observation of polling they peaked last year and the last few months have seen the Tory party narrow the gap with labour at the expense of UKIP. The idea that UKIP put forward is that they are different but my impression is that they are a tory party that that is how people view them and that that is the main vote they attract (along with others on the far right) This is illustrated by polling by Ashcroft for one of the by elections that has UKIP up by the same amount the Tory part is down and Labour up by the same amount the Liberal democrats are down. On top of that UKIP in Watford seem to be conducting their campaign by COD debate in the WO, in which they will not address issues apart from on their own terms and in which they make constant spam invitations to their meetings. My understanding is that they have twelve candidates plus the Mayoral candidate and maybe some other people who will between now and election day try to dominate the WO comments pages with their propaganda. They will come up with all sorts of nonsense but will state it clear and loud in the belief that that makes them right, it does not! An example is on trade, The argument that we would be well placed to trade with the commonwealth as been put forward, this is in my opinion madness, India, Africa and Asia are far more concerned with China and Japan indeed even Australia and new Zealand are the same and of course concerned with the US. All see trading with the EU as more important. This along with any other point I raise will ultimately be ignored, no debate will take place I will be labelled this or that and be given an invitation to discuss at the UKIP meeting. It is something but debate it is not. Phil Cox also seems to be under the misapprehension that it does not matter if the leader of UKIP is in favour of handguns, a UKIP MEP has madcap ideas about changing the Quran and getting Muslims to sign bits of paper, Phil Cox will clearly state that there is no problem with extremist Muslims in Watford but will not commit to delivering a very clear message to his Partys conference on this.I know because constructively I asked him. I am sorry but I have found Phil Cox to be utterly disingenuous with his offers to debate, and by looking at the posts of non UKIPers on here I am not alone dontknowynot
  • Score: 6

10:02pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

My offer still stands. Come along to our meeting and ask as many awkward questions as you wish.

The more the merrier.
My offer still stands. Come along to our meeting and ask as many awkward questions as you wish. The more the merrier. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

10:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working.

Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it.

All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio.

Come on, let's do it.
I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working. Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it. All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio. Come on, let's do it. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

10:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
My offer still stands. Come along to our meeting and ask as many awkward questions as you wish.

The more the merrier.
My answer still stands
NOPE
You have chosen to debate on here well here I am simple.
please restate your accusation clearly here or say Sorry.

The plain fact is I am not Anne Joynes, and you are accusing both me and she of telling porky pies, you won't restate it clearly and as such you are a coward.

If you have something to say FFS SAY IT!
not at your little meeting, you made the accusation in public, you can answer me calling you out as a coward in public, it is only fair.

Either that or you can say SORRY to both Anne Joynes and Myself
Or of course I could keep on about it for the next four months if you like
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: My offer still stands. Come along to our meeting and ask as many awkward questions as you wish. The more the merrier.[/p][/quote]My answer still stands NOPE You have chosen to debate on here well here I am simple. please restate your accusation clearly here or say Sorry. The plain fact is I am not Anne Joynes, and you are accusing both me and she of telling porky pies, you won't restate it clearly and as such you are a coward. If you have something to say FFS SAY IT! not at your little meeting, you made the accusation in public, you can answer me calling you out as a coward in public, it is only fair. Either that or you can say SORRY to both Anne Joynes and Myself Or of course I could keep on about it for the next four months if you like dontknowynot
  • Score: 4

10:16pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working.

Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it.

All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio.

Come on, let's do it.
here & now will do me
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working. Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it. All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio. Come on, let's do it.[/p][/quote]here & now will do me dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

10:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I challenge you to a public debate, face to face.

What have you got to lose?
I challenge you to a public debate, face to face. What have you got to lose? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

10:30pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working.

Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it.

All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio.

Come on, let's do it.
No Phil Cox the debate is here and now, what have you got to loss?
You have insulted me here so we can deal with it here, no sound bites, just keyboards under a storm filled sky
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working. Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it. All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio. Come on, let's do it.[/p][/quote]No Phil Cox the debate is here and now, what have you got to loss? You have insulted me here so we can deal with it here, no sound bites, just keyboards under a storm filled sky dontknowynot
  • Score: 7

10:43pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Clearly you are having to go of to work or something so I will look forward to receiving your apology shortly
Clearly you are having to go of to work or something so I will look forward to receiving your apology shortly dontknowynot
  • Score: 5

10:44pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I have made you a fair offer. If you change your mind, let me know.
I have made you a fair offer. If you change your mind, let me know. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -4

11:06pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I have made you a fair offer. If you change your mind, let me know.
you have not!
You merely seek an audiance, and I will not accomidate you on this. The venue is here in cyberspace the time is now,
I would go so far as to say
There's a time and the time is now and it's right for me,
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I have made you a fair offer. If you change your mind, let me know.[/p][/quote]you have not! You merely seek an audiance, and I will not accomidate you on this. The venue is here in cyberspace the time is now, I would go so far as to say There's a time and the time is now and it's right for me, dontknowynot
  • Score: 3

11:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

maybe you could say
"And I'm here to stay, it's gonna be that way,
Don't try to run, don't try to scream"
So if you want a debate you can jolly well have it here, but first you can say sorry to both me and Anne, going you know its going to have to happan anyway, just get it over with.
maybe you could say "And I'm here to stay, it's gonna be that way, Don't try to run, don't try to scream" So if you want a debate you can jolly well have it here, but first you can say sorry to both me and Anne, going you know its going to have to happan anyway, just get it over with. dontknowynot
  • Score: 5

11:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

@dontknowynot

You are a bore as well as boorish. You don't debate and you hide in shadows. You plaster the same repetitive drivel from thread to thread. Nobody is interested in your personal vitriol and vendettas. Why don't you do everyone a favour and give it a rest?
@dontknowynot You are a bore as well as boorish. You don't debate and you hide in shadows. You plaster the same repetitive drivel from thread to thread. Nobody is interested in your personal vitriol and vendettas. Why don't you do everyone a favour and give it a rest? D_Penn
  • Score: -5

12:14am Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
@dontknowynot

You are a bore as well as boorish. You don't debate and you hide in shadows. You plaster the same repetitive drivel from thread to thread. Nobody is interested in your personal vitriol and vendettas. Why don't you do everyone a favour and give it a rest?
two insults in one you excell yourself today. DKYN is a poster on here simple as that, yes DKYN is anon.
I do debate, however the manner of that debate is not as you chose, well get over it, thisis not the UKIP forum, and you are NOT a site moderator on here so maybe you might like to answer the points in the post below or you could enter into a postcard dialogue if you like, or you could put forward a point for debate.
However I would suggest that it is only right and proper for you along with your Mayoral candidate either grow a pair or say sorry re calling me a liar and insulting the integrity of cllr Anne Joynes
Before you ask the answer is no to doing this elsewhere than here
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: @dontknowynot You are a bore as well as boorish. You don't debate and you hide in shadows. You plaster the same repetitive drivel from thread to thread. Nobody is interested in your personal vitriol and vendettas. Why don't you do everyone a favour and give it a rest?[/p][/quote]two insults in one you excell yourself today. DKYN is a poster on here simple as that, yes DKYN is anon. I do debate, however the manner of that debate is not as you chose, well get over it, thisis not the UKIP forum, and you are NOT a site moderator on here so maybe you might like to answer the points in the post below or you could enter into a postcard dialogue if you like, or you could put forward a point for debate. However I would suggest that it is only right and proper for you along with your Mayoral candidate either grow a pair or say sorry re calling me a liar and insulting the integrity of cllr Anne Joynes Before you ask the answer is no to doing this elsewhere than here dontknowynot
  • Score: 7

12:26am Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

You bet my aim is true,
Because, you know we aim to please,
Bring you to your knees
You bet my aim is true, Because, you know we aim to please, Bring you to your knees dontknowynot
  • Score: 3

12:38am Sat 8 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

@dontnowynot

As you have done before, you try to attribute to me things I have never said. I have nothng to apologise to you for. I have not called you a liar. I have never said you were Anne Joynes, just that others have said that they heard you are. So please get your facts straight before throwing around accusations and demanding apologies.

As for me insulting you because I called you a bore, well, anyone who repeats a similar post over and over again with barely a break is a bore and that's what you keep doing.

I also called you boorish. Look back at some of the language you have used in several of your posts across the WO. Even today, your use of a choice abbreviation in one post above cannot be described as anything other than boorish, so that is what you are.

So not insults, just home truths.
@dontnowynot As you have done before, you try to attribute to me things I have never said. I have nothng to apologise to you for. I have not called you a liar. I have never said you were Anne Joynes, just that others have said that they heard you are. So please get your facts straight before throwing around accusations and demanding apologies. As for me insulting you because I called you a bore, well, anyone who repeats a similar post over and over again with barely a break is a bore and that's what you keep doing. I also called you boorish. Look back at some of the language you have used in several of your posts across the WO. Even today, your use of a choice abbreviation in one post above cannot be described as anything other than boorish, so that is what you are. So not insults, just home truths. D_Penn
  • Score: -5

8:18am Sat 8 Feb 14

E.Coli says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working.

Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it.

All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio.

Come on, let's do it.
No Phil Cox the debate is here and now, what have you got to loss?
You have insulted me here so we can deal with it here, no sound bites, just keyboards under a storm filled sky
Bell end
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working. Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it. All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio. Come on, let's do it.[/p][/quote]No Phil Cox the debate is here and now, what have you got to loss? You have insulted me here so we can deal with it here, no sound bites, just keyboards under a storm filled sky[/p][/quote]Bell end E.Coli
  • Score: -2

9:52am Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

E.Coli wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working.

Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it.

All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio.

Come on, let's do it.
No Phil Cox the debate is here and now, what have you got to loss?
You have insulted me here so we can deal with it here, no sound bites, just keyboards under a storm filled sky
Bell end
Now that’s what I am talking about; e.coli has no problem with plain speaking, he just says it, why can’t YOU Phil Cox

yer you Phil Cox have the courage to actually say it or say sorry.
[quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I am happy to debate with you at any time you want DKYN, provided I am not working. Just say and we can book a place between us and advertise it. All I ask is it be open to the public or on an impartial public service like the radio. Come on, let's do it.[/p][/quote]No Phil Cox the debate is here and now, what have you got to loss? You have insulted me here so we can deal with it here, no sound bites, just keyboards under a storm filled sky[/p][/quote]Bell end[/p][/quote]Now that’s what I am talking about; e.coli has no problem with plain speaking, he just says it, why can’t YOU Phil Cox yer you Phil Cox have the courage to actually say it or say sorry. dontknowynot
  • Score: 3

9:56am Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@d_penn
Your words prove my point, you dare not say it yet you accuse me just the same, you have not the courage to come right out with it, yet smear you do, you sir act as a coward on this, if you have something to say SAY IT
Don’t spread innuendo and rumor if you believe what you say simply SAY IT.
IF and in my mind it is a huge if anyone has told you that I am Anne Joynes they were wrong plain and simple, they be having you on, they may be having a laugh, they may even be having hallucinations, or maybe someone else is having them on, I doubt know
What I do know is that when you “authenticate” a smear and lie in the face of outright denial you are not acting in a decent way, you are not being “different” from them others, you are not talking straight, and you are perpetrating a lie.
As for my posting to you in error it happens, and to be honest if you posting comes across as a tag team you should expect it
@d_penn Your words prove my point, you dare not say it yet you accuse me just the same, you have not the courage to come right out with it, yet smear you do, you sir act as a coward on this, if you have something to say SAY IT Don’t spread innuendo and rumor if you believe what you say simply SAY IT. IF and in my mind it is a huge if anyone has told you that I am Anne Joynes they were wrong plain and simple, they be having you on, they may be having a laugh, they may even be having hallucinations, or maybe someone else is having them on, I doubt know What I do know is that when you “authenticate” a smear and lie in the face of outright denial you are not acting in a decent way, you are not being “different” from them others, you are not talking straight, and you are perpetrating a lie. As for my posting to you in error it happens, and to be honest if you posting comes across as a tag team you should expect it dontknowynot
  • Score: 5

10:02am Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@d_penn

Or even:-

Your words prove my point, you dare not say it yet you accuse me just the same, you have not the courage to come right out with it, yet smear you do, you sir act as a coward on this, if you have something to say SAY IT
Don’t spread innuendo and rumor if you believe what you say simply FFS SAY IT.
IF and in my mind it is a huge if anyone has told you that I am Anne Joynes they were wrong plain and simple, they be having you on, they may be having a laugh, they may even be having hallucinations, or maybe someone else is having them on, I doubt know
What I do know is that when you “authenticate” a smear and lie in the face of outright denial you are not acting in a decent way, you are not being “different” from them others, you are not talking straight, and you are perpetrating a lie.
As for my posting to you in error it happens, and to be honest if you posting comes across as a tag team you should expect it
@d_penn Or even:- Your words prove my point, you dare not say it yet you accuse me just the same, you have not the courage to come right out with it, yet smear you do, you sir act as a coward on this, if you have something to say SAY IT Don’t spread innuendo and rumor if you believe what you say simply FFS SAY IT. IF and in my mind it is a huge if anyone has told you that I am Anne Joynes they were wrong plain and simple, they be having you on, they may be having a laugh, they may even be having hallucinations, or maybe someone else is having them on, I doubt know What I do know is that when you “authenticate” a smear and lie in the face of outright denial you are not acting in a decent way, you are not being “different” from them others, you are not talking straight, and you are perpetrating a lie. As for my posting to you in error it happens, and to be honest if you posting comes across as a tag team you should expect it dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

10:52am Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

No reply from either
Phil cox Mayor candidate for the UKIP party
or
David Penn (is it??), that would be his election agent, would it?
Are you standing as a UKIP candidate this year David?
No reply from either Phil cox Mayor candidate for the UKIP party or David Penn (is it??), that would be his election agent, would it? Are you standing as a UKIP candidate this year David? dontknowynot
  • Score: 9

11:12am Sat 8 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I have made an offer to DKYN to meet up.

All she has to do is come to one of our street stands or our public meetings and I will be happy to explain anything I can about UKIP.

If alternatively she would prefer neutral ground then I have suggested a joint public meeting where we can debate any points she wishes.

Two very fair offers which so far she has refused.
I have made an offer to DKYN to meet up. All she has to do is come to one of our street stands or our public meetings and I will be happy to explain anything I can about UKIP. If alternatively she would prefer neutral ground then I have suggested a joint public meeting where we can debate any points she wishes. Two very fair offers which so far she has refused. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -5

11:24am Sat 8 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

@dontknowynot

Sorry, I didn't realise that you expect everyone to reply within 50 minutes of your post.

I also see that you continue to use crude expressions within your posts which demeans you and your arguments.

You also seem to be obsessed with this Anne Joynes thing. I have told you several times already that I don't know who you are and I don't care.

As to who in UKIP will be standing for council and where, that will be announced in due course.

Finally, given that you seem incapable of polite posts or normal debate, I am going to take the advice of Carl S from another thread and from now on ignore anything you say that is not proper debate, off topic, contains insults or unbecoming language. That will probably mean virtually everything you post.
@dontknowynot Sorry, I didn't realise that you expect everyone to reply within 50 minutes of your post. I also see that you continue to use crude expressions within your posts which demeans you and your arguments. You also seem to be obsessed with this Anne Joynes thing. I have told you several times already that I don't know who you are and I don't care. As to who in UKIP will be standing for council and where, that will be announced in due course. Finally, given that you seem incapable of polite posts or normal debate, I am going to take the advice of Carl S from another thread and from now on ignore anything you say that is not proper debate, off topic, contains insults or unbecoming language. That will probably mean virtually everything you post. D_Penn
  • Score: -2

11:31am Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@Phil cox
Neither of your offers appeal to me, I wish to remain anonymous.
You say I am someone other than I am and in doing so call me a and this other person a liar, just say it clearly and unambiguously or say sorry to both me and Anne Joynes.
It is not a big ask
In the meantime you might wish to answer the direct question is D_pen David pen as listed on your website?
@d_pen you could answer as well if you like
@Phil cox Neither of your offers appeal to me, I wish to remain anonymous. You say I am someone other than I am and in doing so call me a and this other person a liar, just say it clearly and unambiguously or say sorry to both me and Anne Joynes. It is not a big ask In the meantime you might wish to answer the direct question is D_pen David pen as listed on your website? @d_pen you could answer as well if you like dontknowynot
  • Score: 10

7:07pm Sat 8 Feb 14

cgpc Rob says...

Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate!

Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet.
Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate! Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet. cgpc Rob
  • Score: -9

7:07pm Sat 8 Feb 14

cgpc Rob says...

Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate!

Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet.
Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate! Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet. cgpc Rob
  • Score: -6

9:41pm Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Having looked at the UKIP Website If indeed D_penn is The David Penn on here then he has clearly failed to list in his Biography that he is a moderator on the WO website, still that could be due to the page not having been updated for a while at least not since last years UKIP County council campaign. (Odd really that both he and Phil Cox are listed as being in IT yet the page has not been updated.)
Having posted a direct Q to the both of you I am a tad unsurprised that no answer has been forthcoming, it is after all in keeping with a proud Watford UKIP tradition, still I shall try again:- is the D_penn posting on WO the David Penn from the committee page of UKIP, I ask you understand in a most humble’ polite and gentile manner.
I merely inquire because I find it to be the tinsiewinsiest at odds with the statement be the UKIP Mayoral candidate about local politicians being open and honest when they post on here. I know that neither d_penn or indeed David Penn are at present confirmed as candidates for election: but I would in the most meek and mild manor, appropriate to my position as a lowly internet poster; put forward for your kindly and noble consideration, the idea that it would be in keeping with the spirit of this enlightened doctrine of the UKIP Mayoral candidate.
As to the suggestion I run against him I am tempted but it would mean, one that I would have to give up my membership of the Labour party, and more importantly within the representation of the peoples act there is no provision for standing as an anon candidate
Having looked at the UKIP Website If indeed D_penn is The David Penn on here then he has clearly failed to list in his Biography that he is a moderator on the WO website, still that could be due to the page not having been updated for a while at least not since last years UKIP County council campaign. (Odd really that both he and Phil Cox are listed as being in IT yet the page has not been updated.) Having posted a direct Q to the both of you I am a tad unsurprised that no answer has been forthcoming, it is after all in keeping with a proud Watford UKIP tradition, still I shall try again:- is the D_penn posting on WO the David Penn from the committee page of UKIP, I ask you understand in a most humble’ polite and gentile manner. I merely inquire because I find it to be the tinsiewinsiest at odds with the statement be the UKIP Mayoral candidate about local politicians being open and honest when they post on here. I know that neither d_penn or indeed David Penn are at present confirmed as candidates for election: but I would in the most meek and mild manor, appropriate to my position as a lowly internet poster; put forward for your kindly and noble consideration, the idea that it would be in keeping with the spirit of this enlightened doctrine of the UKIP Mayoral candidate. As to the suggestion I run against him I am tempted but it would mean, one that I would have to give up my membership of the Labour party, and more importantly within the representation of the peoples act there is no provision for standing as an anon candidate dontknowynot
  • Score: 7

10:05pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate!

Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet.
I wish she would, I would look forward to debating with her in public.

As it is Labour have chosen Cllr Jagtar Singh Dhindsa instead.

Fortune favours the brave.
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate! Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet.[/p][/quote]I wish she would, I would look forward to debating with her in public. As it is Labour have chosen Cllr Jagtar Singh Dhindsa instead. Fortune favours the brave. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -6

10:38pm Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
cgpc Rob wrote:
Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate!

Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet.
I wish she would, I would look forward to debating with her in public.

As it is Labour have chosen Cllr Jagtar Singh Dhindsa instead.

Fortune favours the brave.
So Phil Cox UKIP Mayoral candidate although I suppose that is merely Prospective mayoral candidate, I will point out that when you actually are confirmed as a Candidate you will have criminal protection against falsehoods aimed at you with the intent of damaging your election prospects by exposing a truth about you, as such even my anon status on here would be no defense the WO would by law have to give my details to the police.
Rest assured that such privilege would be available to you under criminal law by reference to section 106 of the representation of the peoples act 1983( I think )and also rest assured that I will continue to call you a liar or coward irrespective of this, and that I intend this in order to damage your election chances. That in the full knowledge of the criminal charges I would potentially face I still insist that you are a coward for not openly saying what you continue to imply. Be certain that my only defense is that what I say is true
As such if I am wrong, I am clearly putting my head shoulders and torso above the parapet, you however are not,
remain a coward.say sorry or say what you have been implying clearly
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Phil is prepared to stand and state his opinions, instead of just attacking him because he doesn't float your boat, stand against him as an independent and state your views/opinions to the electorate! Its easy to criticise without putting your head above the parapet.[/p][/quote]I wish she would, I would look forward to debating with her in public. As it is Labour have chosen Cllr Jagtar Singh Dhindsa instead. Fortune favours the brave.[/p][/quote]So Phil Cox UKIP Mayoral candidate although I suppose that is merely Prospective mayoral candidate, I will point out that when you actually are confirmed as a Candidate you will have criminal protection against falsehoods aimed at you with the intent of damaging your election prospects by exposing a truth about you, as such even my anon status on here would be no defense the WO would by law have to give my details to the police. Rest assured that such privilege would be available to you under criminal law by reference to section 106 of the representation of the peoples act 1983( I think )and also rest assured that I will continue to call you a liar or coward irrespective of this, and that I intend this in order to damage your election chances. That in the full knowledge of the criminal charges I would potentially face I still insist that you are a coward for not openly saying what you continue to imply. Be certain that my only defense is that what I say is true As such if I am wrong, I am clearly putting my head shoulders and torso above the parapet, you however are not, remain a coward.say sorry or say what you have been implying clearly dontknowynot
  • Score: 5

11:54pm Sat 8 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

On a lighter note

I notice Farrage is out and about on his Common sense bus
http://blogs.spectat
or.co.uk/coffeehouse
/2014/02/on-the-road
-with-ukip-in-the-co
mmon-sense-battle-bu
s/

could be trouble if he meets this the Official common sense party, and their yellow sub:- my understanding is they are not best pleased with this Nigel come lately!!

http://www.commonsen
separty.org.uk/newse
vents.asp?fromPage=n
ewsevents.asp
On a lighter note I notice Farrage is out and about on his Common sense bus http://blogs.spectat or.co.uk/coffeehouse /2014/02/on-the-road -with-ukip-in-the-co mmon-sense-battle-bu s/ could be trouble if he meets this the Official common sense party, and their yellow sub:- my understanding is they are not best pleased with this Nigel come lately!! http://www.commonsen separty.org.uk/newse vents.asp?fromPage=n ewsevents.asp dontknowynot
  • Score: 7

10:42am Sun 9 Feb 14

cgpc Rob says...

Simple solution, state who you are.

Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with.

I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr. cgpc Rob
  • Score: -7

11:25am Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Simple solution, state who you are.

Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with.

I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
I am dontknowynot anon poster on the WO
Croxley green parish council just wondering Bob how is that going; are you still banned, or did you clear that up?
As stated on a number of occasions I am not a local politician although I have a political allegiance to the Labour party
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.[/p][/quote]I am dontknowynot anon poster on the WO Croxley green parish council just wondering Bob how is that going; are you still banned, or did you clear that up? As stated on a number of occasions I am not a local politician although I have a political allegiance to the Labour party dontknowynot
  • Score: 5

1:17pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Can't understand the need for all this bickering, lets get back to the serious issue of Mr Cox's policies, starting with his 'Office of common sense' idea. Does he really think the people of Watford want their hard earned council tax money squandered on more departments in the town hall? At a time when all councils have to tighten their belts and find ways of doing more with less,and on-one wants to pay more in taxes for more people to shuffle paper, the idea is plain daft. There's a bit of common sense for you.
Can't understand the need for all this bickering, lets get back to the serious issue of Mr Cox's policies, starting with his 'Office of common sense' idea. Does he really think the people of Watford want their hard earned council tax money squandered on more departments in the town hall? At a time when all councils have to tighten their belts and find ways of doing more with less,and on-one wants to pay more in taxes for more people to shuffle paper, the idea is plain daft. There's a bit of common sense for you. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 8

2:03pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Harry Caine says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Simple solution, state who you are.

Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with.

I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
Can I claim my £5?
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.[/p][/quote]Can I claim my £5? Harry Caine
  • Score: 2

2:37pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Can't understand the need for all this bickering, lets get back to the serious issue of Mr Cox's policies, starting with his 'Office of common sense' idea. Does he really think the people of Watford want their hard earned council tax money squandered on more departments in the town hall? At a time when all councils have to tighten their belts and find ways of doing more with less,and on-one wants to pay more in taxes for more people to shuffle paper, the idea is plain daft. There's a bit of common sense for you.
Wacko,

in principle I would agree with you. No-one in UKIP wants to add needlessly to the tax burden on Council Tax payers.

In practice this new office will not only improve services by the council but should also generate savings to the council as well.

There will be no wasteful shuffling of paper, that I can assure you.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Can't understand the need for all this bickering, lets get back to the serious issue of Mr Cox's policies, starting with his 'Office of common sense' idea. Does he really think the people of Watford want their hard earned council tax money squandered on more departments in the town hall? At a time when all councils have to tighten their belts and find ways of doing more with less,and on-one wants to pay more in taxes for more people to shuffle paper, the idea is plain daft. There's a bit of common sense for you.[/p][/quote]Wacko, in principle I would agree with you. No-one in UKIP wants to add needlessly to the tax burden on Council Tax payers. In practice this new office will not only improve services by the council but should also generate savings to the council as well. There will be no wasteful shuffling of paper, that I can assure you. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

2:38pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Harry Caine wrote:
cgpc Rob wrote:
Simple solution, state who you are.

Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with.

I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
Can I claim my £5?
What for?
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.[/p][/quote]Can I claim my £5?[/p][/quote]What for? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

2:46pm Sun 9 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
How come your totally innocuous post is suddenly showing -7 on 'Likes'?

Something odd is happening on teh WO. I've noticed for some time now that on a numbr of different threads, over a couple of days of comments, pro-UKIP posts gradually get some positives while certain perennial insulters posts go negative. Then suddenly, in no time at all and as if a switch has been thrown, all the plusses become negative and vice-versa.

On one thread not so very long ago, virtually all UKIP supporters posts became exactly -1 and an opponents became all +1. Remarkable coincidence.

Now if I was of a suspicious nature, I'd think that somebody had in place a system to manipulate the Like/Dislike mechanism and they wait until the comments had settled down and then, perhaps, use multiple accounts to change the scores.

Do we know anyone who might have more than one account one here and perhaps think that interfering with the voting system is funny?

In real terms, I don't really care because the number of people reading these posts are less than 100 and most will not take any notice, but it does suggest that somebody on here does not see that manipualting the voting system is not an honest thing to do, which I find annoying. Where I really do care though is because it shows that if somebody is prepared to try to affect the voting system here then it shows just how we need to be vigilant when it comes to real votes at election time. I shall be eyeing up the postal voting system carefully as several press articles have already highlighted how easy it is to manipulate.

You just can't afford to be too trusting these days.
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.[/p][/quote]How come your totally innocuous post is suddenly showing -7 on 'Likes'? Something odd is happening on teh WO. I've noticed for some time now that on a numbr of different threads, over a couple of days of comments, pro-UKIP posts gradually get some positives while certain perennial insulters posts go negative. Then suddenly, in no time at all and as if a switch has been thrown, all the plusses become negative and vice-versa. On one thread not so very long ago, virtually all UKIP supporters posts became exactly -1 and an opponents became all +1. Remarkable coincidence. Now if I was of a suspicious nature, I'd think that somebody had in place a system to manipulate the Like/Dislike mechanism and they wait until the comments had settled down and then, perhaps, use multiple accounts to change the scores. Do we know anyone who might have more than one account one here and perhaps think that interfering with the voting system is funny? In real terms, I don't really care because the number of people reading these posts are less than 100 and most will not take any notice, but it does suggest that somebody on here does not see that manipualting the voting system is not an honest thing to do, which I find annoying. Where I really do care though is because it shows that if somebody is prepared to try to affect the voting system here then it shows just how we need to be vigilant when it comes to real votes at election time. I shall be eyeing up the postal voting system carefully as several press articles have already highlighted how easy it is to manipulate. You just can't afford to be too trusting these days. D_Penn
  • Score: -7

3:32pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
@Phil cox
Neither of your offers appeal to me, I wish to remain anonymous.
You say I am someone other than I am and in doing so call me a and this other person a liar, just say it clearly and unambiguously or say sorry to both me and Anne Joynes.
It is not a big ask
In the meantime you might wish to answer the direct question is D_pen David pen as listed on your website?
@d_pen you could answer as well if you like
becouse it has been a while and answer have I not

is D_penn David Penn who is on watford UKIP webpage
And yes an apology to me and Anne Joynes would sort this out
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @Phil cox Neither of your offers appeal to me, I wish to remain anonymous. You say I am someone other than I am and in doing so call me a and this other person a liar, just say it clearly and unambiguously or say sorry to both me and Anne Joynes. It is not a big ask In the meantime you might wish to answer the direct question is D_pen David pen as listed on your website? @d_pen you could answer as well if you like[/p][/quote]becouse it has been a while and answer have I not is D_penn David Penn who is on watford UKIP webpage And yes an apology to me and Anne Joynes would sort this out dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

4:08pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
cgpc Rob wrote:
Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
How come your totally innocuous post is suddenly showing -7 on 'Likes'?

Something odd is happening on teh WO. I've noticed for some time now that on a numbr of different threads, over a couple of days of comments, pro-UKIP posts gradually get some positives while certain perennial insulters posts go negative. Then suddenly, in no time at all and as if a switch has been thrown, all the plusses become negative and vice-versa.

On one thread not so very long ago, virtually all UKIP supporters posts became exactly -1 and an opponents became all +1. Remarkable coincidence.

Now if I was of a suspicious nature, I'd think that somebody had in place a system to manipulate the Like/Dislike mechanism and they wait until the comments had settled down and then, perhaps, use multiple accounts to change the scores.

Do we know anyone who might have more than one account one here and perhaps think that interfering with the voting system is funny?

In real terms, I don't really care because the number of people reading these posts are less than 100 and most will not take any notice, but it does suggest that somebody on here does not see that manipualting the voting system is not an honest thing to do, which I find annoying. Where I really do care though is because it shows that if somebody is prepared to try to affect the voting system here then it shows just how we need to be vigilant when it comes to real votes at election time. I shall be eyeing up the postal voting system carefully as several press articles have already highlighted how easy it is to manipulate.

You just can't afford to be too trusting these days.
the answer to your Question is simple and common sense it is that people don't agree with the Q's led to answer, and chose to give it a negative rating.

I thought that would just be a matter of Common sense

On the subject of Q have you an answer to the very simple and non leading, non contentious issue of are you the David Penn listed on the UKIP web page
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.[/p][/quote]How come your totally innocuous post is suddenly showing -7 on 'Likes'? Something odd is happening on teh WO. I've noticed for some time now that on a numbr of different threads, over a couple of days of comments, pro-UKIP posts gradually get some positives while certain perennial insulters posts go negative. Then suddenly, in no time at all and as if a switch has been thrown, all the plusses become negative and vice-versa. On one thread not so very long ago, virtually all UKIP supporters posts became exactly -1 and an opponents became all +1. Remarkable coincidence. Now if I was of a suspicious nature, I'd think that somebody had in place a system to manipulate the Like/Dislike mechanism and they wait until the comments had settled down and then, perhaps, use multiple accounts to change the scores. Do we know anyone who might have more than one account one here and perhaps think that interfering with the voting system is funny? In real terms, I don't really care because the number of people reading these posts are less than 100 and most will not take any notice, but it does suggest that somebody on here does not see that manipualting the voting system is not an honest thing to do, which I find annoying. Where I really do care though is because it shows that if somebody is prepared to try to affect the voting system here then it shows just how we need to be vigilant when it comes to real votes at election time. I shall be eyeing up the postal voting system carefully as several press articles have already highlighted how easy it is to manipulate. You just can't afford to be too trusting these days.[/p][/quote]the answer to your Question is simple and common sense it is that people don't agree with the Q's led to answer, and chose to give it a negative rating. I thought that would just be a matter of Common sense On the subject of Q have you an answer to the very simple and non leading, non contentious issue of are you the David Penn listed on the UKIP web page dontknowynot
  • Score: 4

5:21pm Sun 9 Feb 14

cgpc Rob says...

dontknowynot wrote:
cgpc Rob wrote:
Simple solution, state who you are.

Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with.

I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
I am dontknowynot anon poster on the WO
Croxley green parish council just wondering Bob how is that going; are you still banned, or did you clear that up?
As stated on a number of occasions I am not a local politician although I have a political allegiance to the Labour party
Names not Bob!

Banned, would it be because I inform the residents of what's going on. Damning Auditors report stating CGPC might not be acting legally,economically
, effectively and trigger amount for estimates too high at £25k, Abbots Langleys PC £2000pa, clerk failed to put the AR in the supporting papers section, as custom, cllrs didn't have three clear days to read report, as the report wasn't circulated with agenda, residents also denied access as the clerk inserted it in the accounts section, the second year Auditors had raised the same concerns, wonder why some cllrs want me banned!

Only 9 out of 16 cllrs turned up to that meeting, why haven't CGPC for ten years obtained other estimates for their annual fireworks display, provided four companies that wanted to tender, CGPC didn't want to know so still use the company proposed by a cllr who I allege is the biggest opponent at meetings of obtaining other estimates for fireworks display.

Thats why I have had to propose along with Cllr F Brand




Feb FCM

Supporting Papers/External Auditors Report

Introduction

Supporting papers are produced to accompany agenda items on the relevant agendas and are placed for convenience in the Supporting Information/Papers section on the councils website to ensure that CGPCllrs and residents have the ability to have three clear days to read them. This didn't happen with the External Auditors report, which wasn't circulated with the agenda to cllrs and not placed in the supporting papers section on the councils website or attached to the agenda posted in the library for those members of the public who do not have internet/computer access, but placed directly into the Accounts section of the councils website.

A motion was previously passed to this effect in June 2011 at the F/A committee meeting.

Discussion

That no supporting paper will be debated, received and adopted or noted by council or any committee unless they have been put into the public domain via the Supporting Papers section on the CGPC website and been posted along with agendas when displayed at the library for ease of reference to residents and cllrs, for three clear days.

Recomendation

Council agree that all Supporting Papers will not be received, noted, debated or adopted by CGPC at any council/committee meetings unless they have stood for the three full customary days as applicable to agendas and be placed in the public domain via the CGPC website in the Supporting Information/Paper section and posted to cllrs, along with being attached to agendas posted in the library.

Cllr R J Ridley
Cllr F Brand
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.[/p][/quote]I am dontknowynot anon poster on the WO Croxley green parish council just wondering Bob how is that going; are you still banned, or did you clear that up? As stated on a number of occasions I am not a local politician although I have a political allegiance to the Labour party[/p][/quote]Names not Bob! Banned, would it be because I inform the residents of what's going on. Damning Auditors report stating CGPC might not be acting legally,economically , effectively and trigger amount for estimates too high at £25k, Abbots Langleys PC £2000pa, clerk failed to put the AR in the supporting papers section, as custom, cllrs didn't have three clear days to read report, as the report wasn't circulated with agenda, residents also denied access as the clerk inserted it in the accounts section, the second year Auditors had raised the same concerns, wonder why some cllrs want me banned! Only 9 out of 16 cllrs turned up to that meeting, why haven't CGPC for ten years obtained other estimates for their annual fireworks display, provided four companies that wanted to tender, CGPC didn't want to know so still use the company proposed by a cllr who I allege is the biggest opponent at meetings of obtaining other estimates for fireworks display. Thats why I have had to propose along with Cllr F Brand Feb FCM Supporting Papers/External Auditors Report Introduction Supporting papers are produced to accompany agenda items on the relevant agendas and are placed for convenience in the Supporting Information/Papers section on the councils website to ensure that CGPCllrs and residents have the ability to have three clear days to read them. This didn't happen with the External Auditors report, which wasn't circulated with the agenda to cllrs and not placed in the supporting papers section on the councils website or attached to the agenda posted in the library for those members of the public who do not have internet/computer access, but placed directly into the Accounts section of the councils website. A motion was previously passed to this effect in June 2011 at the F/A committee meeting. Discussion That no supporting paper[s] will be debated, received and adopted or noted by council or any committee unless they have been put into the public domain via the Supporting Papers section on the CGPC website and been posted along with agendas when displayed at the library for ease of reference to residents and cllrs, for three clear days. Recomendation[s] Council agree that all Supporting Papers will not be received, noted, debated or adopted by CGPC at any council/committee meetings unless they have stood for the three full customary days as applicable to agendas and be placed in the public domain [except papers relating to a part two, which will be issued to cllrs and not placed in the public domain] via the CGPC website in the Supporting Information/Paper section and posted to cllrs, along with being attached to agendas posted in the library. Cllr R J Ridley Cllr F Brand cgpc Rob
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how???

meanwhile this made me chuckle
Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2554783/UKIP-mans-ch
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-called-Lord-****-Ni
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& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how??? meanwhile this made me chuckle Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2554783/UKIP-mans-ch ief-backer-****-star -called-Lord-****-Ni gel-Farages-pledge-w eed-Walter-Mittys.ht ml dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Harry Caine says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
cgpc Rob wrote:
Simple solution, state who you are.

Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with.

I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.
Can I claim my £5?
What for?
Clearly someone who is unread and sans humour
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Simple solution, state who you are. Phil Cox has his name and photo on here, so we know who we are conversing with. I'm Rob Ridley CGPCllr.[/p][/quote]Can I claim my £5?[/p][/quote]What for?[/p][/quote]Clearly someone who is unread and sans humour Harry Caine
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how???

meanwhile this made me chuckle
Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2554783/UKIP-mans-ch

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-called-Lord-****-Ni

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opps the link won't work as its been censored its Lord L U S T
Kind of ruined it but hey ho
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: & Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how??? meanwhile this made me chuckle Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2554783/UKIP-mans-ch ief-backer-****-star -called-Lord-****-Ni gel-Farages-pledge-w eed-Walter-Mittys.ht ml[/p][/quote]opps the link won't work as its been censored its Lord L U S T Kind of ruined it but hey ho dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Sun 9 Feb 14

cgpc Rob says...

dontknowynot wrote:
& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how???

meanwhile this made me chuckle
Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2554783/UKIP-mans-ch

ief-backer-****-star

-called-Lord-****-Ni

gel-Farages-pledge-w

eed-Walter-Mittys.ht

ml
Just info as you bought up I was banned, when I was previously banned prior to standing for election, what has never been reported is that 90% of which I was banned, are now CGPC policy, it's to clarify, hopes that clarifies!

if you want to remain nameless, in my opinion you voice doesn't count!
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: & Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how??? meanwhile this made me chuckle Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2554783/UKIP-mans-ch ief-backer-****-star -called-Lord-****-Ni gel-Farages-pledge-w eed-Walter-Mittys.ht ml[/p][/quote]Just info as you bought up I was banned, when I was previously banned prior to standing for election, what has never been reported is that 90% of which I was banned, are now CGPC policy, it's to clarify, hopes that clarifies! if you want to remain nameless, in my opinion you voice doesn't count! cgpc Rob
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how???

meanwhile this made me chuckle
Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2554783/UKIP-mans-ch

ief-backer-****-star

-called-Lord-****-Ni

gel-Farages-pledge-w

eed-Walter-Mittys.ht

ml
well then CGBC bobit or whatever it is, might I suggest you just don't read my posts, and not tell me what to do, might I further suggest that you take up the fact that the WO allows for anon posting with them, and also whilst you are at it think of posting under a name that people can recogniz not that many people know of Croxley parish council outside of the area:-)
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: & Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how??? meanwhile this made me chuckle Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2554783/UKIP-mans-ch ief-backer-****-star -called-Lord-****-Ni gel-Farages-pledge-w eed-Walter-Mittys.ht ml[/p][/quote]well then CGBC bobit or whatever it is, might I suggest you just don't read my posts, and not tell me what to do, might I further suggest that you take up the fact that the WO allows for anon posting with them, and also whilst you are at it think of posting under a name that people can recogniz not that many people know of Croxley parish council outside of the area:-) dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

6:34pm Sun 9 Feb 14

cgpc Rob says...

dontknowynot wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how???

meanwhile this made me chuckle
Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP
http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2554783/UKIP-mans-ch


ief-backer-****-star


-called-Lord-****-Ni


gel-Farages-pledge-w


eed-Walter-Mittys.ht


ml
well then CGBC bobit or whatever it is, might I suggest you just don't read my posts, and not tell me what to do, might I further suggest that you take up the fact that the WO allows for anon posting with them, and also whilst you are at it think of posting under a name that people can recogniz not that many people know of Croxley parish council outside of the area:-)
WOW!

You must really be someone important, sorry!!!!!!!!!!!

You attack, remain nameless and then!!!!!!

Maybe the WO should ban anon posting?

Anyone else apart from donthaveaclue care to comment?
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: & Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how??? meanwhile this made me chuckle Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2554783/UKIP-mans-ch ief-backer-****-star -called-Lord-****-Ni gel-Farages-pledge-w eed-Walter-Mittys.ht ml[/p][/quote]well then CGBC bobit or whatever it is, might I suggest you just don't read my posts, and not tell me what to do, might I further suggest that you take up the fact that the WO allows for anon posting with them, and also whilst you are at it think of posting under a name that people can recogniz not that many people know of Croxley parish council outside of the area:-)[/p][/quote]WOW! You must really be someone important, sorry!!!!!!!!!!! You attack, remain nameless and then!!!!!! Maybe the WO should ban anon posting? Anyone else apart from donthaveaclue care to comment? cgpc Rob
  • Score: -1

6:40pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how???

meanwhile this made me chuckle
Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP
http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2554783/UKIP-mans-ch


ief-backer-****-star


-called-Lord-****-Ni


gel-Farages-pledge-w


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ml
Just info as you bought up I was banned, when I was previously banned prior to standing for election, what has never been reported is that 90% of which I was banned, are now CGPC policy, it's to clarify, hopes that clarifies!

if you want to remain nameless, in my opinion you voice doesn't count!
Rob,

if you are interested, come to the UKIP Public meeting on 20th Feb at the Watford Town and Country Club (Rosslyn Rd) - 7:30. You will get to hear what we are up to and also to ask any questions you may have.

Our talks will cover the upcoming Mayoral election in Watford and also the myths spread about the UK/EU by the other parties.

If you do come along please introduce yourself to me as I would like to meet you.

Since we found out who DKYN is we have no further interest in debating with her in these pages but we would be very interested in debating with her when she comes up for re-election.

If I am elected as Mayor I will push for all councillors to sign an undertaking to only post and publish using their own names. Personally I believe posting under a pseudonym whilst an elected official is shameful and shows a contempt for the voters and residents who pay their wages.

Hopefully we can weed out this behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: & Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how??? meanwhile this made me chuckle Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2554783/UKIP-mans-ch ief-backer-****-star -called-Lord-****-Ni gel-Farages-pledge-w eed-Walter-Mittys.ht ml[/p][/quote]Just info as you bought up I was banned, when I was previously banned prior to standing for election, what has never been reported is that 90% of which I was banned, are now CGPC policy, it's to clarify, hopes that clarifies! if you want to remain nameless, in my opinion you voice doesn't count![/p][/quote]Rob, if you are interested, come to the UKIP Public meeting on 20th Feb at the Watford Town and Country Club (Rosslyn Rd) - 7:30. You will get to hear what we are up to and also to ask any questions you may have. Our talks will cover the upcoming Mayoral election in Watford and also the myths spread about the UK/EU by the other parties. If you do come along please introduce yourself to me as I would like to meet you. Since we found out who DKYN is we have no further interest in debating with her in these pages but we would be very interested in debating with her when she comes up for re-election. If I am elected as Mayor I will push for all councillors to sign an undertaking to only post and publish using their own names. Personally I believe posting under a pseudonym whilst an elected official is shameful and shows a contempt for the voters and residents who pay their wages. Hopefully we can weed out this behaviour. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
& Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how???

meanwhile this made me chuckle
Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP
http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/news/article-



2554783/UKIP-mans-ch



ief-backer-****-star



-called-Lord-****-Ni



gel-Farages-pledge-w



eed-Walter-Mittys.ht



ml
well then CGBC bobit or whatever it is, might I suggest you just don't read my posts, and not tell me what to do, might I further suggest that you take up the fact that the WO allows for anon posting with them, and also whilst you are at it think of posting under a name that people can recogniz not that many people know of Croxley parish council outside of the area:-)
WOW!

You must really be someone important, sorry!!!!!!!!!!!

You attack, remain nameless and then!!!!!!

Maybe the WO should ban anon posting?

Anyone else apart from donthaveaclue care to comment?
It is no attack I am just saying I am not of your parish and don't know who you are, nor really would I expect anyone outside of Croxley to know you.
As such going by the name cgpc rob is not very illuminating, it could be PC for instance is normally recognized as something else.
untill you said you were a cllr I did not realize that your name was derived from that, so really you are anon to most people in my opinion.
As to being someone important you are dam^ right I am a voter.
As to attacks your leading question was an attack in my opinion, that is you were joining in a mob in their assertion that my failure to be bullied into sacrificing my anon status confirms me as someone I am not.
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: & Robert that proves I am under an obligation to disclose my name, just exactly how??? meanwhile this made me chuckle Lord ****, well the name makes sense UKIP http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2554783/UKIP-mans-ch ief-backer-****-star -called-Lord-****-Ni gel-Farages-pledge-w eed-Walter-Mittys.ht ml[/p][/quote]well then CGBC bobit or whatever it is, might I suggest you just don't read my posts, and not tell me what to do, might I further suggest that you take up the fact that the WO allows for anon posting with them, and also whilst you are at it think of posting under a name that people can recogniz not that many people know of Croxley parish council outside of the area:-)[/p][/quote]WOW! You must really be someone important, sorry!!!!!!!!!!! You attack, remain nameless and then!!!!!! Maybe the WO should ban anon posting? Anyone else apart from donthaveaclue care to comment?[/p][/quote]It is no attack I am just saying I am not of your parish and don't know who you are, nor really would I expect anyone outside of Croxley to know you. As such going by the name cgpc rob is not very illuminating, it could be PC for instance is normally recognized as something else. untill you said you were a cllr I did not realize that your name was derived from that, so really you are anon to most people in my opinion. As to being someone important you are dam^ right I am a voter. As to attacks your leading question was an attack in my opinion, that is you were joining in a mob in their assertion that my failure to be bullied into sacrificing my anon status confirms me as someone I am not. dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

PHIL cox wrote
"Since we found out who DKYN is we have no further interest in debating with her in these pages but we would be very interested in debating with her when she comes up for re-election"
You are a coward for asserting I am Cllr Anne Joynes and not saying it openly
PHIL cox wrote "Since we found out who DKYN is we have no further interest in debating with her in these pages but we would be very interested in debating with her when she comes up for re-election" You are a coward for asserting I am Cllr Anne Joynes and not saying it openly dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Sun 9 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP?

You never say anything credible all you do is insult and name call like an immature playground bully. Your nothing but another pathetic left winger using the same old pathetic left wing tactics....can't win a debate so you start with the lies and the name calling. Phil has challenged you to an open public debate yet you won't, why? Because you know he would wipe the floor with you. Your only good for hiding behind your fake posting name and spewing bile everywhere!

Phil has done nothing to you, your the one who started all this with immature childish ranting. Just get over the fact that the Tories have been severly weakened the lib dems are dead on a national scale and guess what Now UKIP are going for the Labour jugular. If you want to stop us you will have to come up with something more credible then outrageous lies and name calling. The people of this town and this nation will not be fooled by the likes of you.

Here's some friendly advice give up now! Give up now before people find out who you are and you make a fool of yourself.
Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP? You never say anything credible all you do is insult and name call like an immature playground bully. Your nothing but another pathetic left winger using the same old pathetic left wing tactics....can't win a debate so you start with the lies and the name calling. Phil has challenged you to an open public debate yet you won't, why? Because you know he would wipe the floor with you. Your only good for hiding behind your fake posting name and spewing bile everywhere! Phil has done nothing to you, your the one who started all this with immature childish ranting. Just get over the fact that the Tories have been severly weakened the lib dems are dead on a national scale and guess what Now UKIP are going for the Labour jugular. If you want to stop us you will have to come up with something more credible then outrageous lies and name calling. The people of this town and this nation will not be fooled by the likes of you. Here's some friendly advice give up now! Give up now before people find out who you are and you make a fool of yourself. ukip-dan
  • Score: -1

8:42pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Oh another little UKIP devotee coming on here to tell me what!
O Possum you are so deluded
You say Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP?
Firstly I did not start this Phil Cox& D_penn did by accusing me of being someone else namely Cllr Anne Joynes. Not only that but by positing themselves as some sort of jumped up Roy Rogers moderators of this site.
I mean I ask you its as if Phil Cox has got on his trusty stead David Penn and been deputised by the mighty dearanger and gone to the sacred mount to return with his stone scribed rules that say
1) All politicians must identify themselves
2) All people whom I accuse of being a politician must identify themselves by coming to a UKIP metting and braving the inquisition of your committee or have you resurrected Francisco Javier de Mier y Campillo
In the meantime I ask myself Dan are you really Dan surly you are Matthew Hopkins sent fourth to slay the wicked internet Troll, well maybe I am and maybe I am not, and maybe I am the type of troll that it is entirely safe to have and that is a good thing, the type that will stand up to the outrageous attempt by a wannabe politician and a wannabe party to abuse the internet pages of a local newspaper to spread their propaganda.
No other party does it none!
Why because here is a place to disagree with others and not have to disclose who you are, not a Forum for any one party. If your party wants a forum well you have a wealth of IT people in it get them to set up a forum of their own and stop trying to abuse this website’
Being somewhat coarse, abrasive or even rude is acceptable on a site like this as is being troll like, they are all part and parcel of a site like this! As an individual it is an acceptable way to behave and fine as a county cllr it may not be.
Now I will concedemy behaviour on here is not fitting to that of a county cllr but I am not one, therefore when Phil Cox accuses Cllr Anne Joynes of being me he is accusing her of behaving inappropriately, very simply he is smearing her.
That is he is using my anon status to smear a respected and respectable county cllr in an outrageous manner, now I am outraged at this as Malcolm X might say it is an appropriate response.
Phil Cox will neither apologise, as an ordinary anon poster might if they got something wrong, nor state clearly in an unambiguous fashion that I am Anne Joynes. This makes him both a Coward and a fool.
A coward because he does not have the courage of his convictions, and a fool because those are the only two ways to resolve this.
Oh another little UKIP devotee coming on here to tell me what! O Possum you are so deluded You say Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP? Firstly I did not start this Phil Cox& D_penn did by accusing me of being someone else namely Cllr Anne Joynes. Not only that but by positing themselves as some sort of jumped up Roy Rogers moderators of this site. I mean I ask you its as if Phil Cox has got on his trusty stead David Penn and been deputised by the mighty dearanger and gone to the sacred mount to return with his stone scribed rules that say 1) All politicians must identify themselves 2) All people whom I accuse of being a politician must identify themselves by coming to a UKIP metting and braving the inquisition of your committee or have you resurrected Francisco Javier de Mier y Campillo In the meantime I ask myself Dan are you really Dan surly you are Matthew Hopkins sent fourth to slay the wicked internet Troll, well maybe I am and maybe I am not, and maybe I am the type of troll that it is entirely safe to have and that is a good thing, the type that will stand up to the outrageous attempt by a wannabe politician and a wannabe party to abuse the internet pages of a local newspaper to spread their propaganda. No other party does it none! Why because here is a place to disagree with others and not have to disclose who you are, not a Forum for any one party. If your party wants a forum well you have a wealth of IT people in it get them to set up a forum of their own and stop trying to abuse this website’ Being somewhat coarse, abrasive or even rude is acceptable on a site like this as is being troll like, they are all part and parcel of a site like this! As an individual it is an acceptable way to behave and fine as a county cllr it may not be. Now I will concedemy behaviour on here is not fitting to that of a county cllr but I am not one, therefore when Phil Cox accuses Cllr Anne Joynes of being me he is accusing her of behaving inappropriately, very simply he is smearing her. That is he is using my anon status to smear a respected and respectable county cllr in an outrageous manner, now I am outraged at this as Malcolm X might say it is an appropriate response. Phil Cox will neither apologise, as an ordinary anon poster might if they got something wrong, nor state clearly in an unambiguous fashion that I am Anne Joynes. This makes him both a Coward and a fool. A coward because he does not have the courage of his convictions, and a fool because those are the only two ways to resolve this. dontknowynot
  • Score: 3

8:54pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

"Since we found out who DKYN is we have no further interest in debating with her in these pages but we would be very interested in debating with her when she comes up for re-election.

If I am elected as Mayor I will push for all councillors to sign an undertaking to only post and publish using their own names. Personally I believe posting under a pseudonym whilst an elected official is shameful and shows a contempt for the voters and residents who pay their wages.

Hopefully we can weed out this behaviour."

Phil Cox you are Wronger than a wrong thing from the planet wrong, but hey ho if you have he courage of your convictions just say it clearly, if not remain a coward, you have nothing to loss if you are right!!!!
"Since we found out who DKYN is we have no further interest in debating with her in these pages but we would be very interested in debating with her when she comes up for re-election. If I am elected as Mayor I will push for all councillors to sign an undertaking to only post and publish using their own names. Personally I believe posting under a pseudonym whilst an elected official is shameful and shows a contempt for the voters and residents who pay their wages. Hopefully we can weed out this behaviour." Phil Cox you are Wronger than a wrong thing from the planet wrong, but hey ho if you have he courage of your convictions just say it clearly, if not remain a coward, you have nothing to loss if you are right!!!! dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox said

"If I am elected as Mayor I will push for all councillors to sign an undertaking to only post and publish using their own names"

now there is one out of the Walter Mitty handbook
Phil Cox said "If I am elected as Mayor I will push for all councillors to sign an undertaking to only post and publish using their own names" now there is one out of the Walter Mitty handbook dontknowynot
  • Score: 3

10:24pm Sun 9 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

Possum? How dare you! Trying to be ageist now are we?. DKYN I really do think you need to grow up your the one who is acting like a child. If you don't like UKIP say so date your reasons and leave it at that. Don't go around insulting people and making up lies it's really immature. And yes I am Dan Channing a UKIP local elections candidate, I live in north Watford. I'm not ashamed to be honest about who I am as I have nothing to be ashamed of unlike yourself. You behaviour is disgraceful, you started this with your nasty spiteful comments that always appear every time there is a UKIP related article. There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post it's just a weak attempt at trying to discredit us. Your nothing but an embarrassment to yourself and your beloved liebour party. Your the person who is deluded you don't know anything about myself David Phil or UKIP for that matter. All you do is say what you would like to be the truth. Nothing you say about UKIP is credible or contains the slightest bit of fact. Your just another scared Labour member. And you should be because UKIP are going after your party now.
Possum? How dare you! Trying to be ageist now are we?. DKYN I really do think you need to grow up your the one who is acting like a child. If you don't like UKIP say so date your reasons and leave it at that. Don't go around insulting people and making up lies it's really immature. And yes I am Dan Channing a UKIP local elections candidate, I live in north Watford. I'm not ashamed to be honest about who I am as I have nothing to be ashamed of unlike yourself. You behaviour is disgraceful, you started this with your nasty spiteful comments that always appear every time there is a UKIP related article. There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post it's just a weak attempt at trying to discredit us. Your nothing but an embarrassment to yourself and your beloved liebour party. Your the person who is deluded you don't know anything about myself David Phil or UKIP for that matter. All you do is say what you would like to be the truth. Nothing you say about UKIP is credible or contains the slightest bit of fact. Your just another scared Labour member. And you should be because UKIP are going after your party now. ukip-dan
  • Score: -4

10:47pm Sun 9 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@ukip_dan

“O Possum” not ageist just you bring out the Barry Humphries, in me!

Never mind I sincerely apologize if I have upset you I anyway!!!

As for your telling me what to do, get lost mate!!!
@ukip_dan “O Possum” not ageist just you bring out the Barry Humphries, in me! Never mind I sincerely apologize if I have upset you I anyway!!! As for your telling me what to do, get lost mate!!! dontknowynot
  • Score: 5

10:54pm Sun 9 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

Look this is getting tiresome. When did I tell you what to do? I only recall giving you some advice and telling you some home truths. Don't recall ever telling you what to do.
Look this is getting tiresome. When did I tell you what to do? I only recall giving you some advice and telling you some home truths. Don't recall ever telling you what to do. ukip-dan
  • Score: -9

12:20am Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

ukip-dan wrote:
Look this is getting tiresome. When did I tell you what to do? I only recall giving you some advice and telling you some home truths. Don't recall ever telling you what to do.
Oh you are awfull
Your clear intention is to tell me what to do,
Now as to David is that David Penn and is he D_penn, becouse niether Phil or D_penn will answer me on that.

As to UKIP and Phil Cox he has this Walter Mitty policy re CLLrs not using Pseudonyms, now I ask you how on earth is he going o enforce it and isn't it an outrageous infringement on a cllrs right to a private life, I mean what if a cllr only ever comments on football, to have to comment as a cllr is absurd.

As to the fixation of smearing Anne Joynes by accusing her of being me and then not ennonciating it clearly and unambiguasly, it is, as I have posted both Cowardly and Foolish. As such Phil Cox is a coward and a Fool
[quote][p][bold]ukip-dan[/bold] wrote: Look this is getting tiresome. When did I tell you what to do? I only recall giving you some advice and telling you some home truths. Don't recall ever telling you what to do.[/p][/quote]Oh you are awfull Your clear intention is to tell me what to do, Now as to David is that David Penn and is he D_penn, becouse niether Phil or D_penn will answer me on that. As to UKIP and Phil Cox he has this Walter Mitty policy re CLLrs not using Pseudonyms, now I ask you how on earth is he going o enforce it and isn't it an outrageous infringement on a cllrs right to a private life, I mean what if a cllr only ever comments on football, to have to comment as a cllr is absurd. As to the fixation of smearing Anne Joynes by accusing her of being me and then not ennonciating it clearly and unambiguasly, it is, as I have posted both Cowardly and Foolish. As such Phil Cox is a coward and a Fool dontknowynot
  • Score: 6

12:30am Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@ukip_dan
you wrote

"There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post "
The overwhelming posts I make are that I am not Cllr Anne Joynes this is not venomous or a lie.
I merely go on to say that Phil cox is a coward for not saying sorry or stating it clearly that I am, this is neither venomous or a lie.
I will continue to say it and if he does not like it well he can lump it
@ukip_dan you wrote "There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post " The overwhelming posts I make are that I am not Cllr Anne Joynes this is not venomous or a lie. I merely go on to say that Phil cox is a coward for not saying sorry or stating it clearly that I am, this is neither venomous or a lie. I will continue to say it and if he does not like it well he can lump it dontknowynot
  • Score: 7

10:52am Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

ukip-dan wrote:
Possum? How dare you! Trying to be ageist now are we?. DKYN I really do think you need to grow up your the one who is acting like a child. If you don't like UKIP say so date your reasons and leave it at that. Don't go around insulting people and making up lies it's really immature. And yes I am Dan Channing a UKIP local elections candidate, I live in north Watford. I'm not ashamed to be honest about who I am as I have nothing to be ashamed of unlike yourself. You behaviour is disgraceful, you started this with your nasty spiteful comments that always appear every time there is a UKIP related article. There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post it's just a weak attempt at trying to discredit us. Your nothing but an embarrassment to yourself and your beloved liebour party. Your the person who is deluded you don't know anything about myself David Phil or UKIP for that matter. All you do is say what you would like to be the truth. Nothing you say about UKIP is credible or contains the slightest bit of fact. Your just another scared Labour member. And you should be because UKIP are going after your party now.
BTW if you loss it over my posting on here how on earth do you expect to hack it as a Cllr????
[quote][p][bold]ukip-dan[/bold] wrote: Possum? How dare you! Trying to be ageist now are we?. DKYN I really do think you need to grow up your the one who is acting like a child. If you don't like UKIP say so date your reasons and leave it at that. Don't go around insulting people and making up lies it's really immature. And yes I am Dan Channing a UKIP local elections candidate, I live in north Watford. I'm not ashamed to be honest about who I am as I have nothing to be ashamed of unlike yourself. You behaviour is disgraceful, you started this with your nasty spiteful comments that always appear every time there is a UKIP related article. There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post it's just a weak attempt at trying to discredit us. Your nothing but an embarrassment to yourself and your beloved liebour party. Your the person who is deluded you don't know anything about myself David Phil or UKIP for that matter. All you do is say what you would like to be the truth. Nothing you say about UKIP is credible or contains the slightest bit of fact. Your just another scared Labour member. And you should be because UKIP are going after your party now.[/p][/quote]BTW if you loss it over my posting on here how on earth do you expect to hack it as a Cllr???? dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Mon 10 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

I've not lost it at all. I just don't like bullies like yourself
I've not lost it at all. I just don't like bullies like yourself ukip-dan
  • Score: -2

1:23pm Mon 10 Feb 14

ukip-dan says...

Why on earth would someone like you upset me it's laughable.
Why on earth would someone like you upset me it's laughable. ukip-dan
  • Score: -3

1:47pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
ukip-dan wrote:
Possum? How dare you! Trying to be ageist now are we?. DKYN I really do think you need to grow up your the one who is acting like a child. If you don't like UKIP say so date your reasons and leave it at that. Don't go around insulting people and making up lies it's really immature. And yes I am Dan Channing a UKIP local elections candidate, I live in north Watford. I'm not ashamed to be honest about who I am as I have nothing to be ashamed of unlike yourself. You behaviour is disgraceful, you started this with your nasty spiteful comments that always appear every time there is a UKIP related article. There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post it's just a weak attempt at trying to discredit us. Your nothing but an embarrassment to yourself and your beloved liebour party. Your the person who is deluded you don't know anything about myself David Phil or UKIP for that matter. All you do is say what you would like to be the truth. Nothing you say about UKIP is credible or contains the slightest bit of fact. Your just another scared Labour member. And you should be because UKIP are going after your party now.
BTW if you loss it over my posting on here how on earth do you expect to hack it as a Cllr????
looks like you lost it to me,

now come on DAn Phil and David

Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ukip-dan[/bold] wrote: Possum? How dare you! Trying to be ageist now are we?. DKYN I really do think you need to grow up your the one who is acting like a child. If you don't like UKIP say so date your reasons and leave it at that. Don't go around insulting people and making up lies it's really immature. And yes I am Dan Channing a UKIP local elections candidate, I live in north Watford. I'm not ashamed to be honest about who I am as I have nothing to be ashamed of unlike yourself. You behaviour is disgraceful, you started this with your nasty spiteful comments that always appear every time there is a UKIP related article. There is no truth in the venomous lies you spit every time you post it's just a weak attempt at trying to discredit us. Your nothing but an embarrassment to yourself and your beloved liebour party. Your the person who is deluded you don't know anything about myself David Phil or UKIP for that matter. All you do is say what you would like to be the truth. Nothing you say about UKIP is credible or contains the slightest bit of fact. Your just another scared Labour member. And you should be because UKIP are going after your party now.[/p][/quote]BTW if you loss it over my posting on here how on earth do you expect to hack it as a Cllr????[/p][/quote]looks like you lost it to me, now come on DAn Phil and David Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all dontknowynot
  • Score: 2

3:02pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Harry Caine says...

Clearly this UKIP shower are not very good at this, hence their low approval rating.

3/10 need to try much harder
Clearly this UKIP shower are not very good at this, hence their low approval rating. 3/10 need to try much harder Harry Caine
  • Score: 1

3:48pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

4:00pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
there speaks the voice of experiance
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]there speaks the voice of experiance dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Mon 10 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Harry Caine wrote:
Clearly this UKIP shower are not very good at this, hence their low approval rating. 3/10 need to try much harder
Please read my earlier post above... 2:46pm Sun 9 Feb 2014
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: Clearly this UKIP shower are not very good at this, hence their low approval rating. 3/10 need to try much harder[/p][/quote]Please read my earlier post above... 2:46pm Sun 9 Feb 2014 D_Penn
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
there speaks the voice of experiance
There speaks the voice of an IT consultant who knows how easy it would be for someone unscrupulous to do such a thing.

The sensible thing to do would be to look at whose rambling posts have high approval ratings and consider the possibilities.

Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN, no matter how odd the posting, and disapprove of anything by anyone vaguely supportive of UKIP? I'm not so sure. That wasn't the case until recently when all the scores reversed overnight.

When you get a posting like this

"You bet my aim is true,
Because, you know we aim to please,
Bring you to your knees"

and it gets three more likes than dislikes, you know there is something seriously odd going on.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]there speaks the voice of experiance[/p][/quote]There speaks the voice of an IT consultant who knows how easy it would be for someone unscrupulous to do such a thing. The sensible thing to do would be to look at whose rambling posts have high approval ratings and consider the possibilities. Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN, no matter how odd the posting, and disapprove of anything by anyone vaguely supportive of UKIP? I'm not so sure. That wasn't the case until recently when all the scores reversed overnight. When you get a posting like this "You bet my aim is true, Because, you know we aim to please, Bring you to your knees" and it gets three more likes than dislikes, you know there is something seriously odd going on. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

5:45pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
there speaks the voice of experiance
There speaks the voice of an IT consultant who knows how easy it would be for someone unscrupulous to do such a thing.

The sensible thing to do would be to look at whose rambling posts have high approval ratings and consider the possibilities.

Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN, no matter how odd the posting, and disapprove of anything by anyone vaguely supportive of UKIP? I'm not so sure. That wasn't the case until recently when all the scores reversed overnight.

When you get a posting like this

"You bet my aim is true,
Because, you know we aim to please,
Bring you to your knees"

and it gets three more likes than dislikes, you know there is something seriously odd going on.
Ain't a hope in hell,
Nothing's gonna bring us down,
The way we fly,
Five miles off the ground,
Because we shoot to kill,
And you know we always will,
It's a Bomber
Scream a thousand miles,
Feel the black death rising moan,
Firestorm coming closer,
Napalm to the bone,
Because, you know we do it right,
A mission every night,
It's a Bomber

No night fighter,
Gonna stop us getting through,
The sirens make you shiver,
You bet my aim is true,
Because, you know we aim to please,
Bring you to your knees,
It's a Bomber

Motorhead some time in the 70;s
Never ming culture seems to be wasted on you Possum

I am still however waiting for the long overdue apology from you or just a clear statement.
Also you might like to answer re David Penn is he D_penn
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]there speaks the voice of experiance[/p][/quote]There speaks the voice of an IT consultant who knows how easy it would be for someone unscrupulous to do such a thing. The sensible thing to do would be to look at whose rambling posts have high approval ratings and consider the possibilities. Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN, no matter how odd the posting, and disapprove of anything by anyone vaguely supportive of UKIP? I'm not so sure. That wasn't the case until recently when all the scores reversed overnight. When you get a posting like this "You bet my aim is true, Because, you know we aim to please, Bring you to your knees" and it gets three more likes than dislikes, you know there is something seriously odd going on.[/p][/quote]Ain't a hope in hell, Nothing's gonna bring us down, The way we fly, Five miles off the ground, Because we shoot to kill, And you know we always will, It's a Bomber Scream a thousand miles, Feel the black death rising moan, Firestorm coming closer, Napalm to the bone, Because, you know we do it right, A mission every night, It's a Bomber No night fighter, Gonna stop us getting through, The sirens make you shiver, You bet my aim is true, Because, you know we aim to please, Bring you to your knees, It's a Bomber Motorhead some time in the 70;s Never ming culture seems to be wasted on you Possum I am still however waiting for the long overdue apology from you or just a clear statement. Also you might like to answer re David Penn is he D_penn dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

6:02pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

So Phil Cox

you have got a tad less Cowardly today, but still a coward!!

you wrote
"Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN,"

which councillor is that then, I am getting so scarred that I might be rumbled (thats sarcasm in case your wit didn't grasp it)
you could say i'm Sweating like a glass blower's arse!
So Phil Cox you have got a tad less Cowardly today, but still a coward!! you wrote "Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN," which councillor is that then, I am getting so scarred that I might be rumbled (thats sarcasm in case your wit didn't grasp it) you could say i'm Sweating like a glass blower's arse! dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

For anyone curious about DKYN and his/her motivations, you might like to look at this article about Anne Joynes election victory last year where DKYN posts a very long diatribe.

The surprising thing is that in the article comment by DKYN about Anne Joynes the spelling and grammar is nothing like the level we are treated to on the WO website. Quite a reversal in fact.

Why would an article about Anne Joynes elicit such a changed response from DKYN?

DKYN has at least two secret identities (even Superman never managed that) and two distinct styles of writing. How very strange and how dramatic.



http://www.stalbansr
eview.co.uk/news/103
99633.Labour_gain_fr
om_Greens_in_Watford
/?ref=rc
For anyone curious about DKYN and his/her motivations, you might like to look at this article about Anne Joynes election victory last year where DKYN posts a very long diatribe. The surprising thing is that in the article comment by DKYN about Anne Joynes the spelling and grammar is nothing like the level we are treated to on the WO website. Quite a reversal in fact. Why would an article about Anne Joynes elicit such a changed response from DKYN? DKYN has at least two secret identities (even Superman never managed that) and two distinct styles of writing. How very strange and how dramatic. http://www.stalbansr eview.co.uk/news/103 99633.Labour_gain_fr om_Greens_in_Watford /?ref=rc Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Arthur says...

ukip-dan wrote:
Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP?

You never say anything credible all you do is insult and name call like an immature playground bully. Your nothing but another pathetic left winger using the same old pathetic left wing tactics....can't win a debate so you start with the lies and the name calling. Phil has challenged you to an open public debate yet you won't, why? Because you know he would wipe the floor with you. Your only good for hiding behind your fake posting name and spewing bile everywhere!

Phil has done nothing to you, your the one who started all this with immature childish ranting. Just get over the fact that the Tories have been severly weakened the lib dems are dead on a national scale and guess what Now UKIP are going for the Labour jugular. If you want to stop us you will have to come up with something more credible then outrageous lies and name calling. The people of this town and this nation will not be fooled by the likes of you.

Here's some friendly advice give up now! Give up now before people find out who you are and you make a fool of yourself.
It strikes me that if Mr Cox were to debate with anyone wouldn't it be more realistic to debate with the other Mayoral Candidates, or is that too challenging?
Judging by how's he's doing on here that you be very revealing
[quote][p][bold]ukip-dan[/bold] wrote: Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP? You never say anything credible all you do is insult and name call like an immature playground bully. Your nothing but another pathetic left winger using the same old pathetic left wing tactics....can't win a debate so you start with the lies and the name calling. Phil has challenged you to an open public debate yet you won't, why? Because you know he would wipe the floor with you. Your only good for hiding behind your fake posting name and spewing bile everywhere! Phil has done nothing to you, your the one who started all this with immature childish ranting. Just get over the fact that the Tories have been severly weakened the lib dems are dead on a national scale and guess what Now UKIP are going for the Labour jugular. If you want to stop us you will have to come up with something more credible then outrageous lies and name calling. The people of this town and this nation will not be fooled by the likes of you. Here's some friendly advice give up now! Give up now before people find out who you are and you make a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]It strikes me that if Mr Cox were to debate with anyone wouldn't it be more realistic to debate with the other Mayoral Candidates, or is that too challenging? Judging by how's he's doing on here that you be very revealing Arthur
  • Score: -2

6:25pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
So Phil Cox

you have got a tad less Cowardly today, but still a coward!!

you wrote
"Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN,"

which councillor is that then, I am getting so scarred that I might be rumbled (thats sarcasm in case your wit didn't grasp it)
you could say i'm Sweating like a glass blower's arse!
Why not just post in plain English and without the crude or insulting references? You are not fooling anybody. The time for acting is over.

People might even listen.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: So Phil Cox you have got a tad less Cowardly today, but still a coward!! you wrote "Could it really be true that readers of these posts approve of anything by Labour's very own councillor DKYN," which councillor is that then, I am getting so scarred that I might be rumbled (thats sarcasm in case your wit didn't grasp it) you could say i'm Sweating like a glass blower's arse![/p][/quote]Why not just post in plain English and without the crude or insulting references? You are not fooling anybody. The time for acting is over. People might even listen. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Arthur wrote:
ukip-dan wrote:
Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP?

You never say anything credible all you do is insult and name call like an immature playground bully. Your nothing but another pathetic left winger using the same old pathetic left wing tactics....can't win a debate so you start with the lies and the name calling. Phil has challenged you to an open public debate yet you won't, why? Because you know he would wipe the floor with you. Your only good for hiding behind your fake posting name and spewing bile everywhere!

Phil has done nothing to you, your the one who started all this with immature childish ranting. Just get over the fact that the Tories have been severly weakened the lib dems are dead on a national scale and guess what Now UKIP are going for the Labour jugular. If you want to stop us you will have to come up with something more credible then outrageous lies and name calling. The people of this town and this nation will not be fooled by the likes of you.

Here's some friendly advice give up now! Give up now before people find out who you are and you make a fool of yourself.
It strikes me that if Mr Cox were to debate with anyone wouldn't it be more realistic to debate with the other Mayoral Candidates, or is that too challenging?
Judging by how's he's doing on here that you be very revealing
I look forward to the election hustings where the candidates standing for Mayor will be able to debate and answer questions from the public.

I hope you will be there Arthur.

In the meantime we hold monthly public UKIP meetings in Watford where people are able to come and ask any questions they wish. You are most welcome, as is DKYN.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ukip-dan[/bold] wrote: Don'tknowwhynot, just stop this! Why are you so scared of UKIP? You never say anything credible all you do is insult and name call like an immature playground bully. Your nothing but another pathetic left winger using the same old pathetic left wing tactics....can't win a debate so you start with the lies and the name calling. Phil has challenged you to an open public debate yet you won't, why? Because you know he would wipe the floor with you. Your only good for hiding behind your fake posting name and spewing bile everywhere! Phil has done nothing to you, your the one who started all this with immature childish ranting. Just get over the fact that the Tories have been severly weakened the lib dems are dead on a national scale and guess what Now UKIP are going for the Labour jugular. If you want to stop us you will have to come up with something more credible then outrageous lies and name calling. The people of this town and this nation will not be fooled by the likes of you. Here's some friendly advice give up now! Give up now before people find out who you are and you make a fool of yourself.[/p][/quote]It strikes me that if Mr Cox were to debate with anyone wouldn't it be more realistic to debate with the other Mayoral Candidates, or is that too challenging? Judging by how's he's doing on here that you be very revealing[/p][/quote]I look forward to the election hustings where the candidates standing for Mayor will be able to debate and answer questions from the public. I hope you will be there Arthur. In the meantime we hold monthly public UKIP meetings in Watford where people are able to come and ask any questions they wish. You are most welcome, as is DKYN. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
For anyone curious about DKYN and his/her motivations, you might like to look at this article about Anne Joynes election victory last year where DKYN posts a very long diatribe.

The surprising thing is that in the article comment by DKYN about Anne Joynes the spelling and grammar is nothing like the level we are treated to on the WO website. Quite a reversal in fact.

Why would an article about Anne Joynes elicit such a changed response from DKYN?

DKYN has at least two secret identities (even Superman never managed that) and two distinct styles of writing. How very strange and how dramatic.



http://www.stalbansr

eview.co.uk/news/103

99633.Labour_gain_fr

om_Greens_in_Watford

/?ref=rc
Maybe just maybe I am giving my spelling and grammar more attention.

But boy I have got under your skin if you went to all that trouble, (blushes possum).
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: For anyone curious about DKYN and his/her motivations, you might like to look at this article about Anne Joynes election victory last year where DKYN posts a very long diatribe. The surprising thing is that in the article comment by DKYN about Anne Joynes the spelling and grammar is nothing like the level we are treated to on the WO website. Quite a reversal in fact. Why would an article about Anne Joynes elicit such a changed response from DKYN? DKYN has at least two secret identities (even Superman never managed that) and two distinct styles of writing. How very strange and how dramatic. http://www.stalbansr eview.co.uk/news/103 99633.Labour_gain_fr om_Greens_in_Watford /?ref=rc[/p][/quote]Maybe just maybe I am giving my spelling and grammar more attention. But boy I have got under your skin if you went to all that trouble, (blushes possum). dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

6:55pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Harry Caine says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you?
Why not tell all of us how you do that?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that? Harry Caine
  • Score: 0

6:57pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you?
Why not tell all of us how you do that?
See my earlier reply 5:27pm.
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that?[/p][/quote]See my earlier reply 5:27pm. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

BTW Phil Cox
http://www.stalbansr
eview.co.uk/archive/
2014/02/06/10993032.
UKIP_mayoral_candida
te_outlines_key_pled
ges/
here we are in the St albans review

I have never posted on that site, it is just part of the same newspaper chain and they link up

Now would you please enlighten me as to who I am?
and also if D_penn is David Penn
BTW Phil Cox http://www.stalbansr eview.co.uk/archive/ 2014/02/06/10993032. UKIP_mayoral_candida te_outlines_key_pled ges/ here we are in the St albans review I have never posted on that site, it is just part of the same newspaper chain and they link up Now would you please enlighten me as to who I am? and also if D_penn is David Penn dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

8:53pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Curly1962 says...

My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?
My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters? Curly1962
  • Score: 0

9:38pm Mon 10 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Curly1962 wrote:
My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?
If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven.

It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish.

I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party

So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them.
[quote][p][bold]Curly1962[/bold] wrote: My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven. It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish. I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them. D_Penn
  • Score: 0

9:47pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
Curly1962 wrote:
My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?
If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven.

It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish.

I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party

So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them.
how to win votes UKIP style classic!!!
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Curly1962[/bold] wrote: My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven. It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish. I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them.[/p][/quote]how to win votes UKIP style classic!!! dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

9:47pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil cox
I don’ personally think you are very good at this, this being in fact many this’s. please excuse the creative morphology. By that I mean one posting on a newspaper discussion board, two being a mayoral candidate, three being a conspiracy theorist, four amateur phycology and five spotting clues.
I am one person, and yes I switch styles also If I type in the little box I make grammar and spelling Mistakes, and if I type in Word then paste, not so much. If you only post in the same ole way then my little UKIP devotee you will find things somewhat stayed and even dull, you might even come across as a witless dullard or worse. No my devoted follower, and boy you are devoted, the lengths that you have gone to are immense, no matter what way round you did it: I must commend you on either digging this out or sitting on it. It is akin to making a life size replica of the Cutty Sark with matchsticks, well not really but being in UKIP you should be used to the concept of exaggeration.
On the subject of the truth it appears you are less well acquainted, I am not Anne Joynes any Labour cllr or in fact any other cllr, any collection of people, My name is not lily or Barry and I may or may not be anything like you imagine. What I am is a poster who remains and will remain anon.
You have indulged in the parlour game of guess the poster and come firmly down on the side of me being a Cllr named Anne Joynes, to be fair when your fellow UKIPer set the trap I could not resist poking it with a stick, but hey ho you still got it wrong, and now it appears you have doubts as to who I am so have concocted the myth of the multiple I.
You will never find out who I am because in essence I am a voter and nothing more than that, yes I am a member of the Labour party but no I don’t go out as an activist, so I am really nothing to you, just an anon poster on the WO website.
Now we can drop this, you can stop your exercise in Paranoia’ and I really do think that you are displaying signs of being paranoid in both a clinical sense and everyday sense, for example your insistence that I am Anne Joynes or any other labour Cllr or a collection is delusional, as is your idea of manipulation of ratings its nonsense, sure some people are voting my posts up and maybe they know each other, but come on there are at least three UKIPers posting and voting on this thread.
I would suggest you would benefit from putting this thread to bed so to speak and just say sorry to Me and Anne for getting it wrong
As a gesture of good will I will say that I am a man, I have been hinting at this for some time with the “possum” ref being Barry Humphries a touch of Dick Emerys a splattering of Lilley Savages, in deference to concerns for your well being here I am going to stop posting on this for the time being and you the opportunity to reflect .
Phil cox I don’ personally think you are very good at this, this being in fact many this’s. please excuse the creative morphology. By that I mean one posting on a newspaper discussion board, two being a mayoral candidate, three being a conspiracy theorist, four amateur phycology and five spotting clues. I am one person, and yes I switch styles also If I type in the little box I make grammar and spelling Mistakes, and if I type in Word then paste, not so much. If you only post in the same ole way then my little UKIP devotee you will find things somewhat stayed and even dull, you might even come across as a witless dullard or worse. No my devoted follower, and boy you are devoted, the lengths that you have gone to are immense, no matter what way round you did it: I must commend you on either digging this out or sitting on it. It is akin to making a life size replica of the Cutty Sark with matchsticks, well not really but being in UKIP you should be used to the concept of exaggeration. On the subject of the truth it appears you are less well acquainted, I am not Anne Joynes any Labour cllr or in fact any other cllr, any collection of people, My name is not lily or Barry and I may or may not be anything like you imagine. What I am is a poster who remains and will remain anon. You have indulged in the parlour game of guess the poster and come firmly down on the side of me being a Cllr named Anne Joynes, to be fair when your fellow UKIPer set the trap I could not resist poking it with a stick, but hey ho you still got it wrong, and now it appears you have doubts as to who I am so have concocted the myth of the multiple I. You will never find out who I am because in essence I am a voter and nothing more than that, yes I am a member of the Labour party but no I don’t go out as an activist, so I am really nothing to you, just an anon poster on the WO website. Now we can drop this, you can stop your exercise in Paranoia’ and I really do think that you are displaying signs of being paranoid in both a clinical sense and everyday sense, for example your insistence that I am Anne Joynes or any other labour Cllr or a collection is delusional, as is your idea of manipulation of ratings its nonsense, sure some people are voting my posts up and maybe they know each other, but come on there are at least three UKIPers posting and voting on this thread. I would suggest you would benefit from putting this thread to bed so to speak and just say sorry to Me and Anne for getting it wrong As a gesture of good will I will say that I am a man, I have been hinting at this for some time with the “possum” ref being Barry Humphries a touch of Dick Emerys a splattering of Lilley Savages, in deference to concerns for your well being here I am going to stop posting on this for the time being and you the opportunity to reflect . dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

9:48pm Mon 10 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that?
Those sad enough to want to cheat the system can create multiple WO accounts under different names and then use them to vote multiple times.
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that?[/p][/quote]Those sad enough to want to cheat the system can create multiple WO accounts under different names and then use them to vote multiple times. D_Penn
  • Score: 2

10:04pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Curly1962 wrote:
My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?
Good question.

I could stand as an independent. Certainly if elected I will act as an independent.

One thing stops me.

Ukip is not how you describe them.

I would recognise out-of-date sexist racist fruitloop nutters and so far I have not met any, not even close. Also, if the party was as you describe it then it would not have me as a member.

There are certainly none I have met in Watford nor at the party conference I attended last year. Undoubtedly there are one or two strange or extreme people around, politics attracts them and I am sure all parties struggle with the same issue, but it is how a party acts once they are discovered that counts. So far Ukip has been removing them as they are found, which is as it should be.

I am quite happy within Ukip. I looked at all the parties websites and manifestos in 2010 and armed with that knowledge and my knowledge of the other parties I chose Ukip. I am rather drawn to independent thinking and free speech and a party that really does want to work for the people and not the party. They have some good ideas and are head and shoulders above the EU parties (LibLabCon).

So it's Ukip for me. Come to one of our meetings, you may find you like what you see. It is not at all like you describe. If it was Ukip would most likely not even have a Watford branch. I can't imagine a single one of our members wanting to be part of the sort of party you described.
[quote][p][bold]Curly1962[/bold] wrote: My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?[/p][/quote]Good question. I could stand as an independent. Certainly if elected I will act as an independent. One thing stops me. Ukip is not how you describe them. I would recognise out-of-date sexist racist fruitloop nutters and so far I have not met any, not even close. Also, if the party was as you describe it then it would not have me as a member. There are certainly none I have met in Watford nor at the party conference I attended last year. Undoubtedly there are one or two strange or extreme people around, politics attracts them and I am sure all parties struggle with the same issue, but it is how a party acts once they are discovered that counts. So far Ukip has been removing them as they are found, which is as it should be. I am quite happy within Ukip. I looked at all the parties websites and manifestos in 2010 and armed with that knowledge and my knowledge of the other parties I chose Ukip. I am rather drawn to independent thinking and free speech and a party that really does want to work for the people and not the party. They have some good ideas and are head and shoulders above the EU parties (LibLabCon). So it's Ukip for me. Come to one of our meetings, you may find you like what you see. It is not at all like you describe. If it was Ukip would most likely not even have a Watford branch. I can't imagine a single one of our members wanting to be part of the sort of party you described. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

11:12am Tue 11 Feb 14

Harry Caine says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you?
Why not tell all of us how you do that?
See my earlier reply 5:27pm.
Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that?[/p][/quote]See my earlier reply 5:27pm.[/p][/quote]Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question. Harry Caine
  • Score: -3

11:31am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you?
Why not tell all of us how you do that?
See my earlier reply 5:27pm.
Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question.
Harry,

I'm an IT professional.

Off the top of my head I can think of several ways of manipulating the like scores on these posts. It's not difficult.

I leave the scores alone. If I were manipulating scores I would not be letting all the Labour comments stay on plus and Ukip on minus scores now would I? It doesn't take a detective to work that out.

In fact it helps us that when a Ukip supporter makes a comment like "Ukip would reduce the price of cheese" and it gets a low score of -10 say, then it indicates that someone is probably manipulating the scores for political ends.

If I explained how it could be done, as you ask me to, then I believe it would only encourage those who would do such a thing. It might make their life easier if I told them the quickest and easiest way to do it.

Out of interest Harry, why would you like to know how to manipulate scores on the WO?
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that?[/p][/quote]See my earlier reply 5:27pm.[/p][/quote]Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question.[/p][/quote]Harry, I'm an IT professional. Off the top of my head I can think of several ways of manipulating the like scores on these posts. It's not difficult. I leave the scores alone. If I were manipulating scores I would not be letting all the Labour comments stay on plus and Ukip on minus scores now would I? It doesn't take a detective to work that out. In fact it helps us that when a Ukip supporter makes a comment like "Ukip would reduce the price of cheese" and it gets a low score of -10 say, then it indicates that someone is probably manipulating the scores for political ends. If I explained how it could be done, as you ask me to, then I believe it would only encourage those who would do such a thing. It might make their life easier if I told them the quickest and easiest way to do it. Out of interest Harry, why would you like to know how to manipulate scores on the WO? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

4:08pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Harry Caine says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you?
Why not tell all of us how you do that?
See my earlier reply 5:27pm.
Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question.
Harry,

I'm an IT professional.

Off the top of my head I can think of several ways of manipulating the like scores on these posts. It's not difficult.

I leave the scores alone. If I were manipulating scores I would not be letting all the Labour comments stay on plus and Ukip on minus scores now would I? It doesn't take a detective to work that out.

In fact it helps us that when a Ukip supporter makes a comment like "Ukip would reduce the price of cheese" and it gets a low score of -10 say, then it indicates that someone is probably manipulating the scores for political ends.

If I explained how it could be done, as you ask me to, then I believe it would only encourage those who would do such a thing. It might make their life easier if I told them the quickest and easiest way to do it.

Out of interest Harry, why would you like to know how to manipulate scores on the WO?
Out of interest. Judging by some of the astronomical number of votes, clearly, the certain members of the administration have been at it for years - plus ca change.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that?[/p][/quote]See my earlier reply 5:27pm.[/p][/quote]Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question.[/p][/quote]Harry, I'm an IT professional. Off the top of my head I can think of several ways of manipulating the like scores on these posts. It's not difficult. I leave the scores alone. If I were manipulating scores I would not be letting all the Labour comments stay on plus and Ukip on minus scores now would I? It doesn't take a detective to work that out. In fact it helps us that when a Ukip supporter makes a comment like "Ukip would reduce the price of cheese" and it gets a low score of -10 say, then it indicates that someone is probably manipulating the scores for political ends. If I explained how it could be done, as you ask me to, then I believe it would only encourage those who would do such a thing. It might make their life easier if I told them the quickest and easiest way to do it. Out of interest Harry, why would you like to know how to manipulate scores on the WO?[/p][/quote]Out of interest. Judging by some of the astronomical number of votes, clearly, the certain members of the administration have been at it for years - plus ca change. Harry Caine
  • Score: 1

4:28pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Harry Caine wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.
Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you?
Why not tell all of us how you do that?
See my earlier reply 5:27pm.
Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question.
Harry,

I'm an IT professional.

Off the top of my head I can think of several ways of manipulating the like scores on these posts. It's not difficult.

I leave the scores alone. If I were manipulating scores I would not be letting all the Labour comments stay on plus and Ukip on minus scores now would I? It doesn't take a detective to work that out.

In fact it helps us that when a Ukip supporter makes a comment like "Ukip would reduce the price of cheese" and it gets a low score of -10 say, then it indicates that someone is probably manipulating the scores for political ends.

If I explained how it could be done, as you ask me to, then I believe it would only encourage those who would do such a thing. It might make their life easier if I told them the quickest and easiest way to do it.

Out of interest Harry, why would you like to know how to manipulate scores on the WO?
Out of interest. Judging by some of the astronomical number of votes, clearly, the certain members of the administration have been at it for years - plus ca change.
I suspect you are right Harry.

It's wrong to fiddle votes (including postal votes) and I think it's wrong to try to deceive people by posting anonymously if an elected official or while standing for election.

Higher standards in public life would be a benefit to Watford.
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: The approval ratings can be manipulated Harry. It is very easy to do.[/p][/quote]Oh ............. so that explains it - you're manipulating things are you? Why not tell all of us how you do that?[/p][/quote]See my earlier reply 5:27pm.[/p][/quote]Anther wriggly politician, never give a straight answer to a straight question.[/p][/quote]Harry, I'm an IT professional. Off the top of my head I can think of several ways of manipulating the like scores on these posts. It's not difficult. I leave the scores alone. If I were manipulating scores I would not be letting all the Labour comments stay on plus and Ukip on minus scores now would I? It doesn't take a detective to work that out. In fact it helps us that when a Ukip supporter makes a comment like "Ukip would reduce the price of cheese" and it gets a low score of -10 say, then it indicates that someone is probably manipulating the scores for political ends. If I explained how it could be done, as you ask me to, then I believe it would only encourage those who would do such a thing. It might make their life easier if I told them the quickest and easiest way to do it. Out of interest Harry, why would you like to know how to manipulate scores on the WO?[/p][/quote]Out of interest. Judging by some of the astronomical number of votes, clearly, the certain members of the administration have been at it for years - plus ca change.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are right Harry. It's wrong to fiddle votes (including postal votes) and I think it's wrong to try to deceive people by posting anonymously if an elected official or while standing for election. Higher standards in public life would be a benefit to Watford. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

5:14pm Tue 11 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

I agree. I don't often use the Like/Dislike feature because I have to feel strongly enough about a post. When I do, I vote honestly which means even those I might disagree strongly with on most topics, if they make good sense on another then they will get a 'Like'. Given that most of these political pages get read by a maximum of about 100 people - most of them already politicised I suspect, it makes no sense trying to fiddle the figure, but the dynamics of change means that it is happening.
I agree. I don't often use the Like/Dislike feature because I have to feel strongly enough about a post. When I do, I vote honestly which means even those I might disagree strongly with on most topics, if they make good sense on another then they will get a 'Like'. Given that most of these political pages get read by a maximum of about 100 people - most of them already politicised I suspect, it makes no sense trying to fiddle the figure, but the dynamics of change means that it is happening. D_Penn
  • Score: 3

6:44pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Curly1962 says...

D_Penn wrote:
Curly1962 wrote:
My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?
If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven.

It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish.

I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party

So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them.
First of all, D Penn, I addressed my queston to Phil, who, unlike you, was courteous in his response. Your rude and disrespectful reply just reinforces my view of the average UKIP supporter. Perhaps you have never heard of Godfrey Bloom, David Silvester Geoffrey Clark - all either sexists, outdated, racists, nutters or all of the above. The other parties might well attract people with those views but the only party that actually elevates them to positions of responsibility seems to be UKIP and, as it has a much smaller membership than the main parties, there seems to be a disproportionate number of them. Chucking them out after their "gaffes" to avoid bad publicity does to fill me with confidence that the ranks of UKIP are not full to bursting with pople who hold similar views!
What evidence do you have that the Conservatives actively admit ex-BNP supporters to their ranks? I would have thought that, with the average BNP supporter's views on homosexuality, gender equality and racial equality, the Conservative party in it's current state would hardly be their natural home! How do UKIP ensure that their members do not have a previous affiliation with BNP or EDL?
Contrary to your "opinion" my views are drawn from personal experience - those people that I know are UKIP supporters and the posts and comments that I see on news forums and social networking sites.
@Phil.
"So it's Ukip for me. Come to one of our meetings, you may find you like what you see. It is not at all like you describe. If it was Ukip would most likely not even have a Watford branch. I can't imagine a single one of our members wanting to be part of the sort of party you described"
I am generally a very open minded person but I am afraid that I would not be seen dead with the sort of people (Including D Penn) that would attend a meeting of UKIP. I sincerely hope that Watford, my home for the last 50 years, is not the sort of town where UKIP can flourish.
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Curly1962[/bold] wrote: My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven. It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish. I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them.[/p][/quote]First of all, D Penn, I addressed my queston to Phil, who, unlike you, was courteous in his response. Your rude and disrespectful reply just reinforces my view of the average UKIP supporter. Perhaps you have never heard of Godfrey Bloom, David Silvester Geoffrey Clark - all either sexists, outdated, racists, nutters or all of the above. The other parties might well attract people with those views but the only party that actually elevates them to positions of responsibility seems to be UKIP and, as it has a much smaller membership than the main parties, there seems to be a disproportionate number of them. Chucking them out after their "gaffes" to avoid bad publicity does to fill me with confidence that the ranks of UKIP are not full to bursting with pople who hold similar views! What evidence do you have that the Conservatives actively admit ex-BNP supporters to their ranks? I would have thought that, with the average BNP supporter's views on homosexuality, gender equality and racial equality, the Conservative party in it's current state would hardly be their natural home! How do UKIP ensure that their members do not have a previous affiliation with BNP or EDL? Contrary to your "opinion" my views are drawn from personal experience - those people that I know are UKIP supporters and the posts and comments that I see on news forums and social networking sites. @Phil. "So it's Ukip for me. Come to one of our meetings, you may find you like what you see. It is not at all like you describe. If it was Ukip would most likely not even have a Watford branch. I can't imagine a single one of our members wanting to be part of the sort of party you described" I am generally a very open minded person but I am afraid that I would not be seen dead with the sort of people (Including D Penn) that would attend a meeting of UKIP. I sincerely hope that Watford, my home for the last 50 years, is not the sort of town where UKIP can flourish. Curly1962
  • Score: -1

7:41pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Curly1962,

it's entirely up to you but you may be missing out on something interesting and good.

What harm is there in coming down to a meeting to either see if you were right or be pleasantly surprised?

We are gaining supporters and members from LibDems, Conservatives and Labour and even people who had given up on politics. There might be something here for you as well.
Curly1962, it's entirely up to you but you may be missing out on something interesting and good. What harm is there in coming down to a meeting to either see if you were right or be pleasantly surprised? We are gaining supporters and members from LibDems, Conservatives and Labour and even people who had given up on politics. There might be something here for you as well. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

7:56pm Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Curly1962 wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Curly1962 wrote:
My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?
If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven.

It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish.

I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party

So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them.
First of all, D Penn, I addressed my queston to Phil, who, unlike you, was courteous in his response. Your rude and disrespectful reply just reinforces my view of the average UKIP supporter. Perhaps you have never heard of Godfrey Bloom, David Silvester Geoffrey Clark - all either sexists, outdated, racists, nutters or all of the above. The other parties might well attract people with those views but the only party that actually elevates them to positions of responsibility seems to be UKIP and, as it has a much smaller membership than the main parties, there seems to be a disproportionate number of them. Chucking them out after their "gaffes" to avoid bad publicity does to fill me with confidence that the ranks of UKIP are not full to bursting with pople who hold similar views!
What evidence do you have that the Conservatives actively admit ex-BNP supporters to their ranks? I would have thought that, with the average BNP supporter's views on homosexuality, gender equality and racial equality, the Conservative party in it's current state would hardly be their natural home! How do UKIP ensure that their members do not have a previous affiliation with BNP or EDL?
Contrary to your "opinion" my views are drawn from personal experience - those people that I know are UKIP supporters and the posts and comments that I see on news forums and social networking sites.
@Phil.
"So it's Ukip for me. Come to one of our meetings, you may find you like what you see. It is not at all like you describe. If it was Ukip would most likely not even have a Watford branch. I can't imagine a single one of our members wanting to be part of the sort of party you described"
I am generally a very open minded person but I am afraid that I would not be seen dead with the sort of people (Including D Penn) that would attend a meeting of UKIP. I sincerely hope that Watford, my home for the last 50 years, is not the sort of town where UKIP can flourish.
if I am right its worse than that
D_Penn appears very much to be David Penn a member of the Watford UKIP committee who stood for election in Last years council elections.
It does raise an eyebrow if true.I mean look at what Phil cox has been saying on websites like this and cllrs posting.
And yes I did stop posting on here but there goes it was taken as an excuse to carry on with ridiculous accusations
[quote][p][bold]Curly1962[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Curly1962[/bold] wrote: My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss then you must be in heaven. It's almost unbelievable that there are still people like you out there who believe this media driven rubbish. I suspect you are Conservative since you are just copying Cameron rather than being able to think for yourself. Whatever the case, I can tell you now that whenever I have heard sexist and racist comments it has been out of the mouths of Tories. For that reason alone, I would never have joined the Conservatives - who, unlike UKIP, will happily admit ex-members of the BNP or EDL to their party So if you want to carry on throwing your insults you can chuck them at the Conservative party because then at least they may have some truth attached to them.[/p][/quote]First of all, D Penn, I addressed my queston to Phil, who, unlike you, was courteous in his response. Your rude and disrespectful reply just reinforces my view of the average UKIP supporter. Perhaps you have never heard of Godfrey Bloom, David Silvester Geoffrey Clark - all either sexists, outdated, racists, nutters or all of the above. The other parties might well attract people with those views but the only party that actually elevates them to positions of responsibility seems to be UKIP and, as it has a much smaller membership than the main parties, there seems to be a disproportionate number of them. Chucking them out after their "gaffes" to avoid bad publicity does to fill me with confidence that the ranks of UKIP are not full to bursting with pople who hold similar views! What evidence do you have that the Conservatives actively admit ex-BNP supporters to their ranks? I would have thought that, with the average BNP supporter's views on homosexuality, gender equality and racial equality, the Conservative party in it's current state would hardly be their natural home! How do UKIP ensure that their members do not have a previous affiliation with BNP or EDL? Contrary to your "opinion" my views are drawn from personal experience - those people that I know are UKIP supporters and the posts and comments that I see on news forums and social networking sites. @Phil. "So it's Ukip for me. Come to one of our meetings, you may find you like what you see. It is not at all like you describe. If it was Ukip would most likely not even have a Watford branch. I can't imagine a single one of our members wanting to be part of the sort of party you described" I am generally a very open minded person but I am afraid that I would not be seen dead with the sort of people (Including D Penn) that would attend a meeting of UKIP. I sincerely hope that Watford, my home for the last 50 years, is not the sort of town where UKIP can flourish.[/p][/quote]if I am right its worse than that D_Penn appears very much to be David Penn a member of the Watford UKIP committee who stood for election in Last years council elections. It does raise an eyebrow if true.I mean look at what Phil cox has been saying on websites like this and cllrs posting. And yes I did stop posting on here but there goes it was taken as an excuse to carry on with ridiculous accusations dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

7:57pm Tue 11 Feb 14

D_Penn says...

@curly1962

You said: "My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?"

So chummy, if you want to dish it out bad mannered untruths about people in UKIP then there's no point you having the cheek to complain about my "rude and disrespectful reply" as you call it. When I called you 'ignorant' it's because you are ignorant of the facts and that is true. If you don't agree then come and meet us and learn.

You mention a few UKIP names who do not represent the views of the UKIP party who now number 34,000 members. Like all parties, we are bound to have a few who need pruning - and when they come out of the woodwork, they have been. That does not entitle you to go round trying to treat all members as being tarred with the same brush. As I said, the remarks you made are, from my experiences, more applicable to the Conservatives.
@curly1962 You said: "My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?" So chummy, if you want to dish it out bad mannered untruths about people in UKIP then there's no point you having the cheek to complain about my "rude and disrespectful reply" as you call it. When I called you 'ignorant' it's because you are ignorant of the facts and that is true. If you don't agree then come and meet us and learn. You mention a few UKIP names who do not represent the views of the UKIP party who now number 34,000 members. Like all parties, we are bound to have a few who need pruning - and when they come out of the woodwork, they have been. That does not entitle you to go round trying to treat all members as being tarred with the same brush. As I said, the remarks you made are, from my experiences, more applicable to the Conservatives. D_Penn
  • Score: 0

2:05am Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

D_Penn wrote:
@curly1962

You said: "My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?"

So chummy, if you want to dish it out bad mannered untruths about people in UKIP then there's no point you having the cheek to complain about my "rude and disrespectful reply" as you call it. When I called you 'ignorant' it's because you are ignorant of the facts and that is true. If you don't agree then come and meet us and learn.

You mention a few UKIP names who do not represent the views of the UKIP party who now number 34,000 members. Like all parties, we are bound to have a few who need pruning - and when they come out of the woodwork, they have been. That does not entitle you to go round trying to treat all members as being tarred with the same brush. As I said, the remarks you made are, from my experiences, more applicable to the Conservatives.
Oh possum,
just droping a quick line to say you have a point on Manipulation of ratings, sometimes I give myself a negative tick just for the heck of it

Like THis ARRRRGHHH
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: @curly1962 You said: "My question to Phil is: Why not stand as an independent instead of allying yourself with a bunch of out of date, sexist, racist fruitloops and nutters?" So chummy, if you want to dish it out bad mannered untruths about people in UKIP then there's no point you having the cheek to complain about my "rude and disrespectful reply" as you call it. When I called you 'ignorant' it's because you are ignorant of the facts and that is true. If you don't agree then come and meet us and learn. You mention a few UKIP names who do not represent the views of the UKIP party who now number 34,000 members. Like all parties, we are bound to have a few who need pruning - and when they come out of the woodwork, they have been. That does not entitle you to go round trying to treat all members as being tarred with the same brush. As I said, the remarks you made are, from my experiences, more applicable to the Conservatives.[/p][/quote]Oh possum, just droping a quick line to say you have a point on Manipulation of ratings, sometimes I give myself a negative tick just for the heck of it Like THis ARRRRGHHH dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

7:28am Wed 12 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Principles, doing the right thing, not rhetoric and rants, will make Watford a better place, DKYN.

UKIP will be the breath of fresh air that Watford so desperately needs.
Principles, doing the right thing, not rhetoric and rants, will make Watford a better place, DKYN. UKIP will be the breath of fresh air that Watford so desperately needs. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

7:39am Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Principles, doing the right thing, not rhetoric and rants, will make Watford a better place, DKYN.

UKIP will be the breath of fresh air that Watford so desperately needs.
if you know the meaning of the word you would not try Taring Labout with the same brush as the Libdems onf arm terrace Allotments, on this you are utterly beyond contempt or trason
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Principles, doing the right thing, not rhetoric and rants, will make Watford a better place, DKYN. UKIP will be the breath of fresh air that Watford so desperately needs.[/p][/quote]if you know the meaning of the word you would not try Taring Labout with the same brush as the Libdems onf arm terrace Allotments, on this you are utterly beyond contempt or trason dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

10:03am Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Principles, doing the right thing, not rhetoric and rants, will make Watford a better place, DKYN.

UKIP will be the breath of fresh air that Watford so desperately needs.
if you know the meaning of the word you would not try Taring Labout with the same brush as the Libdems onf arm terrace Allotments, on this you are utterly beyond contempt or trason
oops thats reason not trason
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Principles, doing the right thing, not rhetoric and rants, will make Watford a better place, DKYN. UKIP will be the breath of fresh air that Watford so desperately needs.[/p][/quote]if you know the meaning of the word you would not try Taring Labout with the same brush as the Libdems onf arm terrace Allotments, on this you are utterly beyond contempt or trason[/p][/quote]oops thats reason not trason dontknowynot
  • Score: -5

8:03pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Popeonarope says...

This is why i cant stand politics.
Attention seeking muppets who would rather continue focusing on irrelevant self promoting agendas and name calling instead of doing what they are supposed to do. This piece reminds me of the braying and infantile house of commons during PMs question time. Adults behaving like children who are in charge of the country!
DKYN - Your boring, overbearing and repetitive. Give it a rest please.

In summary -
Conservatives - Elitist, status obsessed suits with private agendas.
Lib Dems - Wet blanket, insecure, clueless followers.
Labour - Traitorous, incapable war mongers, out of touch with reality.
UKIP - Unknown?

In the absence of a 'none of the above' option i will be voting for UKIP locally and nationally this time round, They could not do a worse job than the current bunch,
This is why i cant stand politics. Attention seeking muppets who would rather continue focusing on irrelevant self promoting agendas and name calling instead of doing what they are supposed to do. This piece reminds me of the braying and infantile house of commons during PMs question time. Adults behaving like children who are in charge of the country! DKYN - Your boring, overbearing and repetitive. Give it a rest please. In summary - Conservatives - Elitist, status obsessed suits with private agendas. Lib Dems - Wet blanket, insecure, clueless followers. Labour - Traitorous, incapable war mongers, out of touch with reality. UKIP - Unknown? In the absence of a 'none of the above' option i will be voting for UKIP locally and nationally this time round, They could not do a worse job than the current bunch, Popeonarope
  • Score: 8

1:49pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Arthur says...

UKIP acolytes cop a load of the Wythenshaw results:

Mike Kane (Lab) 13,261 (55.34 per cent, +11.21 per cent)

John Bickley (Ukip) 4,301 (17.95 per cent, +14.50 per cent)

The Rev Daniel Critchlow (C) 3,479 (14.52 per cent, -11.03 per cent)

Mary Di Mauro (LD) 1,176 (4.91 per cent, -17.44 per cent)

Nigel Woodcock (Green) 748 (3.12per cent)

Eddy O'Sullivan (BNP) 708 (2.95 per cent, -0.90 per cent)

Captain Chaplington-Smythe (Loony) 288 (1.20 per cent)

Lab majority: 8,960 (37.39 per cent)

NB the increase in Labour's share of the Vote at the expense of the ConDems
Ukip must try harder
UKIP acolytes cop a load of the Wythenshaw results: Mike Kane (Lab) 13,261 (55.34 per cent, +11.21 per cent) John Bickley (Ukip) 4,301 (17.95 per cent, +14.50 per cent) The Rev Daniel Critchlow (C) 3,479 (14.52 per cent, -11.03 per cent) Mary Di Mauro (LD) 1,176 (4.91 per cent, -17.44 per cent) Nigel Woodcock (Green) 748 (3.12per cent) Eddy O'Sullivan (BNP) 708 (2.95 per cent, -0.90 per cent) Captain Chaplington-Smythe (Loony) 288 (1.20 per cent) Lab majority: 8,960 (37.39 per cent) NB the increase in Labour's share of the Vote at the expense of the ConDems Ukip must try harder Arthur
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

We will indeed try harder Arthur.

Second is not bad in such a seat for Ukip, beating the other two main parties into third and fourth place.

These results are specific to that area of course, our biggest threat here in Watford is the LibDems, not Labour, although we must beat all of them to win in 2014.

I hear so many comments from people who have been waiting for a viable alternative to the LibDems in Watford. We in Ukip hope to provide that viable alternative.
We will indeed try harder Arthur. Second is not bad in such a seat for Ukip, beating the other two main parties into third and fourth place. These results are specific to that area of course, our biggest threat here in Watford is the LibDems, not Labour, although we must beat all of them to win in 2014. I hear so many comments from people who have been waiting for a viable alternative to the LibDems in Watford. We in Ukip hope to provide that viable alternative. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

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