£800k improvement plans for allotments in Watford

Watford Observer: £800k improvement plans for Watford allotments £800k improvement plans for Watford allotments

Plans for an £800,000 programme of improvements to Watford's allotments have been finalised.

Watford Borough Council announced specialists hired by the authority had drawn up proposals, which were now going out to tender.

The council has now written to allotment-holders to inform them how they will be affected by the changes.

The investment comes after the council voted to allow the Farm Terrace Allotments, behind Vicarage Road stadium, to be built on as part of the health campus development.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Residents can view the council’s plans for the various allotment sites across the town here.

http://www.watford.gov.uk/ccm/content/leisure-and-community/allotment-investment-programme/allotments-investment-programme.en

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5:40pm Mon 10 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Well we all know what this is about

TUT TUT
Well we all know what this is about TUT TUT dontknowynot
  • Score: -12

5:45pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Cuetip says...

Glad to see the allotments receiving some attention. The work is long overdue after promises were made years ago eg secure fences, water buts. Hope the ongoing maintenance concerns of holders will be considered eg the number of cuts a year.

Hopefully Farm Terrace has not been erased.
Glad to see the allotments receiving some attention. The work is long overdue after promises were made years ago eg secure fences, water buts. Hope the ongoing maintenance concerns of holders will be considered eg the number of cuts a year. Hopefully Farm Terrace has not been erased. Cuetip
  • Score: 5

6:38pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

UKIP would not only upgrade the allotments but would keep Farm Terrace allotments as well.

Clearly a choice here between LibDem and UKIP as to what is the best direction for Watford's future.
UKIP would not only upgrade the allotments but would keep Farm Terrace allotments as well. Clearly a choice here between LibDem and UKIP as to what is the best direction for Watford's future. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

8:16pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Nascot says...

In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council
In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council Nascot
  • Score: 1

10:21pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Nascot wrote:
In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council
Or you need to talk common sense and be able to put your argument across well so that others might act on merit rather than follow a herd instinct within their party.

I am absolutely sure the other parties will come up with good ideas too. I will help good ideas flourish and stop bad ideas at the door.

I want to run a council that works for everybody, not just those in a certain area or those who vote this way or that, but for everybody.

A good Mayor could do that. A good Mayor will work with everybody, no matter their political affiliations, in the interests of the town and its people.

If the councillors do not act in the interests of the town and people then they and their party will struggle to be re-elected. Remember, I am going to run the most open council in the UK.

Our actions will be open to public and press scrutiny. There will be nowhere to hide for any of us.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council[/p][/quote]Or you need to talk common sense and be able to put your argument across well so that others might act on merit rather than follow a herd instinct within their party. I am absolutely sure the other parties will come up with good ideas too. I will help good ideas flourish and stop bad ideas at the door. I want to run a council that works for everybody, not just those in a certain area or those who vote this way or that, but for everybody. A good Mayor could do that. A good Mayor will work with everybody, no matter their political affiliations, in the interests of the town and its people. If the councillors do not act in the interests of the town and people then they and their party will struggle to be re-elected. Remember, I am going to run the most open council in the UK. Our actions will be open to public and press scrutiny. There will be nowhere to hide for any of us. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

4:45am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

This cash was I direct reaction to the Save Farm Terrace campaign.
As for the Populist attitude of UKIP here jumping on Bandwagons springs to mind.
Shameful opportunism by the Mayoral candidate in my opinion, next thing he will be inviting us all along to a local meeting , tut tut
This cash was I direct reaction to the Save Farm Terrace campaign. As for the Populist attitude of UKIP here jumping on Bandwagons springs to mind. Shameful opportunism by the Mayoral candidate in my opinion, next thing he will be inviting us all along to a local meeting , tut tut dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

7:48am Tue 11 Feb 14

The Rover says...

How can you possibly spend £800k on allotments? More to the point WHY would you spend £800k on allotments? In the last year we have seen that £4.5 million spent on the top of the High Street, and over £5 million on Cassiobury Park, and now £800k on allotments. Is the mayor determined to empty the bank account before she goes? STOP WASTING OUR MONEY!!!
How can you possibly spend £800k on allotments? More to the point WHY would you spend £800k on allotments? In the last year we have seen that £4.5 million spent on the top of the High Street, and over £5 million on Cassiobury Park, and now £800k on allotments. Is the mayor determined to empty the bank account before she goes? STOP WASTING OUR MONEY!!! The Rover
  • Score: 3

7:52am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Populist.

Here's the Wikipedia definition

"Populism is a political doctrine where one sides with "the people" against "the elite".

Guilty as charged!

We in Ukip are on the side of the people and we are proud of it.

It distinguishes us from the failed political parties like Labour who clearly by their own words above are not on the side of the people.

As for jumping on bandwagons, we saw the fuss over the allotments last year and got involved. We attended meeting and we wrote in these pages in support of Farm Terrace on numerous occasions. We have donated to their appeal.

When we were drawing up our manifesto we recognised the injustice of building on Farm Terrace so we have come out 100% in favour of saving Farm Terrace allotments and improving the allotments overall.

If doing what is right is described by Labour as jumping on a bandwagon, who cares? As far as we are concerned we are doing what is right.

Vote Ukip, it will be such a breath of fresh air.

I think you can see what Labour's attitude is. Attack others who care but have no policies of your own. Sickening.
Populist. Here's the Wikipedia definition "Populism is a political doctrine where one sides with "the people" against "the elite". Guilty as charged! We in Ukip are on the side of the people and we are proud of it. It distinguishes us from the failed political parties like Labour who clearly by their own words above are not on the side of the people. As for jumping on bandwagons, we saw the fuss over the allotments last year and got involved. We attended meeting and we wrote in these pages in support of Farm Terrace on numerous occasions. We have donated to their appeal. When we were drawing up our manifesto we recognised the injustice of building on Farm Terrace so we have come out 100% in favour of saving Farm Terrace allotments and improving the allotments overall. If doing what is right is described by Labour as jumping on a bandwagon, who cares? As far as we are concerned we are doing what is right. Vote Ukip, it will be such a breath of fresh air. I think you can see what Labour's attitude is. Attack others who care but have no policies of your own. Sickening. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

8:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

@phil Cox
there you go again I am not the voice of Labour just a Labour party member, there is a world of difference.
In the meantime I suggest reading the post of "Nascot".
The only Party that can challange the Libdems in Watford is Labour, they must be hoping for some gain this year and getting double figs.
In Watford II reckon the tuth is vote UKIp get Libdems
@phil Cox there you go again I am not the voice of Labour just a Labour party member, there is a world of difference. In the meantime I suggest reading the post of "Nascot". The only Party that can challange the Libdems in Watford is Labour, they must be hoping for some gain this year and getting double figs. In Watford II reckon the tuth is vote UKIp get Libdems dontknowynot
  • Score: -5

8:22am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Keep believing it DKYN, after all it is your party's only defence against Ukip as you have no policies.

Labour says vote Ukip, get LibDem.

Conservatives say vote Ukip, get Labour.

All we are waiting for is the LibDems to say vote Ukip and get Labour and we have the set.

The truth is, vote Ukip, get Ukip and that is what you are all so afraid of.

Ukip is standing in every ward this year for the first time ever, and for Mayor. We will change politics in Watford just like we are changing politics nationally.

Labour is the party of envy, waste and failure. Why would we want more Labour? You have already ridiculed Ukip for standing with the people against the elite. You are the elite that we are standing against. You are the problem that Ukip will fix, you and the LibDems and the Conservatives. What's more, people know it.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip
Keep believing it DKYN, after all it is your party's only defence against Ukip as you have no policies. Labour says vote Ukip, get LibDem. Conservatives say vote Ukip, get Labour. All we are waiting for is the LibDems to say vote Ukip and get Labour and we have the set. The truth is, vote Ukip, get Ukip and that is what you are all so afraid of. Ukip is standing in every ward this year for the first time ever, and for Mayor. We will change politics in Watford just like we are changing politics nationally. Labour is the party of envy, waste and failure. Why would we want more Labour? You have already ridiculed Ukip for standing with the people against the elite. You are the elite that we are standing against. You are the problem that Ukip will fix, you and the LibDems and the Conservatives. What's more, people know it. Vote Ukip, get Ukip Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

9:13am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox
It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike.
It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory.
Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking.
Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics.
You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them.
Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly.
I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward
Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool
Phil Cox It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike. It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory. Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking. Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics. You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them. Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly. I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

9:19am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
@phil Cox
there you go again I am not the voice of Labour just a Labour party member, there is a world of difference.
In the meantime I suggest reading the post of "Nascot".
The only Party that can challange the Libdems in Watford is Labour, they must be hoping for some gain this year and getting double figs.
In Watford II reckon the tuth is vote UKIp get Libdems
Here's the rub.

Bad as the LibDems are under Thornhill, and there are plenty of people who do not like the way the LibDems are treating the people and town of Watford, I have never come across anyone who thinks the solution is more Labour. (with the exception of yourselves).

Less LibDem, yes, but more Labour - no thanks.

I would wholeheartedly agree with them.

The choice was basically LibDem or Labour and the majority have voted consistently not to have Labour. Time after time after time.

In the last two Mayoral elections Labour has come third with less than a quarter of the vote. Do you really think Jagtar Singh Dhindsa will turn things around for Labour in Watford?

Now we have Ukip, an alternative to the LibDems and to Labour, Conservatives and Greens. A party that cares and has ideas to make Watford a better place to live in. A party that belongs to the people and works for the people. A party that offers binding referenda to ensure the people have the final say. What a change that would make.

Finally, there is a real choice for Watford. We will be standing in every ward and I can see why that will be worrying the other parties.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: @phil Cox there you go again I am not the voice of Labour just a Labour party member, there is a world of difference. In the meantime I suggest reading the post of "Nascot". The only Party that can challange the Libdems in Watford is Labour, they must be hoping for some gain this year and getting double figs. In Watford II reckon the tuth is vote UKIp get Libdems[/p][/quote]Here's the rub. Bad as the LibDems are under Thornhill, and there are plenty of people who do not like the way the LibDems are treating the people and town of Watford, I have never come across anyone who thinks the solution is more Labour. (with the exception of yourselves). Less LibDem, yes, but more Labour - no thanks. I would wholeheartedly agree with them. The choice was basically LibDem or Labour and the majority have voted consistently not to have Labour. Time after time after time. In the last two Mayoral elections Labour has come third with less than a quarter of the vote. Do you really think Jagtar Singh Dhindsa will turn things around for Labour in Watford? Now we have Ukip, an alternative to the LibDems and to Labour, Conservatives and Greens. A party that cares and has ideas to make Watford a better place to live in. A party that belongs to the people and works for the people. A party that offers binding referenda to ensure the people have the final say. What a change that would make. Finally, there is a real choice for Watford. We will be standing in every ward and I can see why that will be worrying the other parties. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

9:19am Tue 11 Feb 14

stewbyhorn says...

The trouble is gentlemen is that we all have different views on what we want and how we do things but ALL party's tell us what we want to hear and then do the opposite when voted in, hence why the poor turnout at the local elections
The trouble is gentlemen is that we all have different views on what we want and how we do things but ALL party's tell us what we want to hear and then do the opposite when voted in, hence why the poor turnout at the local elections stewbyhorn
  • Score: 5

9:29am Tue 11 Feb 14

Cuetip says...

Nascot wrote:
In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council
Really. You might as well throw in the towel before the bell.

What's important is that you stand up to blatant injustice, for the long suffering taxpayers, ill conceived policies eg ovedevelopment of flats, loss of allotment land, so car free schools and car free high density blocks with little reference to the infra structure.

That is why there is an opposition in a democracy.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council[/p][/quote]Really. You might as well throw in the towel before the bell. What's important is that you stand up to blatant injustice, for the long suffering taxpayers, ill conceived policies eg ovedevelopment of flats, loss of allotment land, so car free schools and car free high density blocks with little reference to the infra structure. That is why there is an opposition in a democracy. Cuetip
  • Score: 3

9:30am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

stewbyhorn wrote:
The trouble is gentlemen is that we all have different views on what we want and how we do things but ALL party's tell us what we want to hear and then do the opposite when voted in, hence why the poor turnout at the local elections
I quite understand.

The difference now is that in Ukip we actually not only believe it but are determined to carry it through, subject to the approval of the people of Watford.

Like you, we are so fed up being taken for granted by the other parties. That's why we have joined Ukip - to do something about it. To stop those abuses.

Give Ukip a try. You've tried the rest and they have all come up wanting.

Ukip is the difference many people have been waiting for.
[quote][p][bold]stewbyhorn[/bold] wrote: The trouble is gentlemen is that we all have different views on what we want and how we do things but ALL party's tell us what we want to hear and then do the opposite when voted in, hence why the poor turnout at the local elections[/p][/quote]I quite understand. The difference now is that in Ukip we actually not only believe it but are determined to carry it through, subject to the approval of the people of Watford. Like you, we are so fed up being taken for granted by the other parties. That's why we have joined Ukip - to do something about it. To stop those abuses. Give Ukip a try. You've tried the rest and they have all come up wanting. Ukip is the difference many people have been waiting for. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

9:34am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Well at least you move in the direction of being honest, (although wrong) ie that you prefer the Libdems to Labour.
Now will you please clear up this little issue of you saying I am a Labour cllr, I am not and I would like to resolve this issue
Well at least you move in the direction of being honest, (although wrong) ie that you prefer the Libdems to Labour. Now will you please clear up this little issue of you saying I am a Labour cllr, I am not and I would like to resolve this issue dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

9:59am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Cuetip wrote:
Nascot wrote:
In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council
Really. You might as well throw in the towel before the bell.

What's important is that you stand up to blatant injustice, for the long suffering taxpayers, ill conceived policies eg ovedevelopment of flats, loss of allotment land, so car free schools and car free high density blocks with little reference to the infra structure.

That is why there is an opposition in a democracy.
/*-Indeed
This in my view is why getting more Labour Cllrs is the way to go, they have had to rebuild from nowt, from the ground up, getting back to basics, casework, campaigning work with groups in the community, building links with different agencies and slogging away at it year after year after year.
UKIP on the other hand want to come in and say oh lets do this its common sense. UKIP want to float ideas about local referendum and council internet policy in the knowledge that they will always be able to blame someone else for not being able to do it.
No the only alternative is Labour Locally, and yes Jagtar having weathered the storm as a minority of one on the council in some ways is the man for the job of what will be at least two years of a Minority Mayor
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council[/p][/quote]Really. You might as well throw in the towel before the bell. What's important is that you stand up to blatant injustice, for the long suffering taxpayers, ill conceived policies eg ovedevelopment of flats, loss of allotment land, so car free schools and car free high density blocks with little reference to the infra structure. That is why there is an opposition in a democracy.[/p][/quote]/*-Indeed This in my view is why getting more Labour Cllrs is the way to go, they have had to rebuild from nowt, from the ground up, getting back to basics, casework, campaigning work with groups in the community, building links with different agencies and slogging away at it year after year after year. UKIP on the other hand want to come in and say oh lets do this its common sense. UKIP want to float ideas about local referendum and council internet policy in the knowledge that they will always be able to blame someone else for not being able to do it. No the only alternative is Labour Locally, and yes Jagtar having weathered the storm as a minority of one on the council in some ways is the man for the job of what will be at least two years of a Minority Mayor dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

10:03am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Cuetip wrote:
Nascot wrote:
In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council
Really. You might as well throw in the towel before the bell.

What's important is that you stand up to blatant injustice, for the long suffering taxpayers, ill conceived policies eg ovedevelopment of flats, loss of allotment land, so car free schools and car free high density blocks with little reference to the infra structure.

That is why there is an opposition in a democracy.
Well said Cuetip.
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: In order to sway policy you have to be in the majority in the Council[/p][/quote]Really. You might as well throw in the towel before the bell. What's important is that you stand up to blatant injustice, for the long suffering taxpayers, ill conceived policies eg ovedevelopment of flats, loss of allotment land, so car free schools and car free high density blocks with little reference to the infra structure. That is why there is an opposition in a democracy.[/p][/quote]Well said Cuetip. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

10:14am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox
It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike.
It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory.
Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking.
Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics.
You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them.
Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly.
I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward
Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool
and by the way Phil Cox
you still have not answered
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike. It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory. Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking. Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics. You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them. Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly. I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool[/p][/quote]and by the way Phil Cox you still have not answered dontknowynot
  • Score: -3

10:14am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox
It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike.
It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory.
Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking.
Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics.
You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them.
Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly.
I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward
Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool
and by the way Phil Cox
you still have not answered
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike. It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory. Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking. Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics. You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them. Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly. I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool[/p][/quote]and by the way Phil Cox you still have not answered dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

10:45am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
Phil Cox
It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike.
It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory.
Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking.
Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics.
You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them.
Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly.
I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward
Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool
and by the way Phil Cox
you still have not answered
I don't know who you are. Not for sure.

If you are not a councillor then I don't really care who you are.

I have been informed, reliably I had believed, that you are a councillor and that does disturb me. That you might be that councillor and post in the way you do, abusively under multiple identities. If it is true then there is much to be concerned about as far as your fitness for elected office goes. Watford deserves better than that.

I know, you deny being a councillor yet the evidence is there on these pages that you are no stranger to deception. I am afraid that with you it is impossible tell whether what you say is true or not and so your denials carry no weight whatsoever. It really is a case of "Well, she would say that, wouldn't she?"


In some ways you are a great advert for common sense and Ukip.

The fact you tried to tarnish our reputation by giving yourself a name with UKIP in the title (UKIP-Pal) but then so spectacularly tripped over your own two feet when posting under that false name by ranting on as DKYN only goes to illustrate the sort of person you are.

Ukip will be a breath of fresh air for Watford. The alternative, if it is people like you, will make the choice for voters even simpler.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox It appears you learn nothing, as I said I am not a spokesman for the Labour party, analytically it is the case that in order to do anything on the council you need at least a sizable Minority, you will not get this it just will not happen. I very much doubt that you will get a single seat on Watford Council, you may however split the anti Libdem vote in one or two wards, as such you will keep in the very libdem cllrs you say you dislike. It is of no surprise to me because you are a Tory party plain and simple, I have seen how on another thread you stated that in 2010 you looked at the manifestos and chose UKIP, well at the time it was a Tory manifesto, your party leader has tore it up and publicly rubbished it as Tory. Yet it was this that attracted you identified with in 2010, therefore you are a Tory. Now Farrage realises that the polices are silly and also right wing so he ditches and tries to attract Labour voters up north, this is another example of just chasing the popular vote without any joined up thinking. Another example is your stated policy of asking Cllrs not to post on websites using Pseudonyms, it is totally unenforceable and an unwarranted intrusion on the privacy of a cllr who wants to post about football, gardening, skiing, or any other activity unrelated to politics. You have shown utter contempt for Labour and for the Labour Cllr you accuse me of being, yet you continue with the line oh I will work with people, I am sorry this rings hollow when you are so contemptuous of them. Also I as an individual find it offensive that you chose to say I am someone other than I am. You are wrong, I again ask you to retract your accusation or state it clearly. I say clearly that your failure to do either makes you a coward Isay clearly that your failure to drop the subject given the opportunity makes you a fool[/p][/quote]and by the way Phil Cox you still have not answered[/p][/quote]I don't know who you are. Not for sure. If you are not a councillor then I don't really care who you are. I have been informed, reliably I had believed, that you are a councillor and that does disturb me. That you might be that councillor and post in the way you do, abusively under multiple identities. If it is true then there is much to be concerned about as far as your fitness for elected office goes. Watford deserves better than that. I know, you deny being a councillor yet the evidence is there on these pages that you are no stranger to deception. I am afraid that with you it is impossible tell whether what you say is true or not and so your denials carry no weight whatsoever. It really is a case of "Well, she would say that, wouldn't she?" In some ways you are a great advert for common sense and Ukip. The fact you tried to tarnish our reputation by giving yourself a name with UKIP in the title (UKIP-Pal) but then so spectacularly tripped over your own two feet when posting under that false name by ranting on as DKYN only goes to illustrate the sort of person you are. Ukip will be a breath of fresh air for Watford. The alternative, if it is people like you, will make the choice for voters even simpler. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

11:21am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

So Phil You are disturbed.
Fact is you and your UKIP committee members and cllrs annoyed me and I decided to try out a UKIP handle for a rant or two, your depiction of me being some sort of troll versed in deceptive arts does not bear up to scrutiny, had I been or had I been posting as part of some such my pervieved mastake would not have happened would it??
Similarly your concerns re manipulation of likes is all in your head, The image of manipulation put forward by you and your team is of an organized group of people trying to manipulate this board and I don’t see it apart from in the posting of UKIP candidates and committee members, where you have been working as a team.
Now you still want to Smear Labour with your innuendo and you still want to say that I am Anne or someone else or a collection of people or whatever suits you, all I am is an anon poster, a voter, a member of the Labour party and someone who has rumbled you.
You say you are not a Tory but you thought the UKIP manifesto of 2010 was the best, yet even by admission of Farrage it was a Tory Manifesto drawn up by a Tory who is no longer with your party.
You say you have been informed reliably that I am Anne Joynes, I am telling you that this is wrong, I am not. You should therefore question the reliability of this person, you clearly do not believe them enough to state clearly that I am she.
You say that if I am not that you don’t care who I am, I find this glib and shows you not to be a nice person, in fact rather nasty. If I am not Anne I am someone that you and your team have accused of being someone else and whom you have berated and tried to bully, irrespective of the robustness of my posting. You have sort to be a witch finder general of this website and metaphorically tie me to a ducking stool.
I find this most alarming for someone who aspires to be Mayor, the plain honest and common sense truth is that you should care, because if I am not Anne you and your team have acted very poorly towards me.

I cannot help but ask what you would be like if you actually ever had to deal with real politicians when you are wrong in so many ways on your dealings with one anon poster.
So Phil You are disturbed. Fact is you and your UKIP committee members and cllrs annoyed me and I decided to try out a UKIP handle for a rant or two, your depiction of me being some sort of troll versed in deceptive arts does not bear up to scrutiny, had I been or had I been posting as part of some such my pervieved mastake would not have happened would it?? Similarly your concerns re manipulation of likes is all in your head, The image of manipulation put forward by you and your team is of an organized group of people trying to manipulate this board and I don’t see it apart from in the posting of UKIP candidates and committee members, where you have been working as a team. Now you still want to Smear Labour with your innuendo and you still want to say that I am Anne or someone else or a collection of people or whatever suits you, all I am is an anon poster, a voter, a member of the Labour party and someone who has rumbled you. You say you are not a Tory but you thought the UKIP manifesto of 2010 was the best, yet even by admission of Farrage it was a Tory Manifesto drawn up by a Tory who is no longer with your party. You say you have been informed reliably that I am Anne Joynes, I am telling you that this is wrong, I am not. You should therefore question the reliability of this person, you clearly do not believe them enough to state clearly that I am she. You say that if I am not that you don’t care who I am, I find this glib and shows you not to be a nice person, in fact rather nasty. If I am not Anne I am someone that you and your team have accused of being someone else and whom you have berated and tried to bully, irrespective of the robustness of my posting. You have sort to be a witch finder general of this website and metaphorically tie me to a ducking stool. I find this most alarming for someone who aspires to be Mayor, the plain honest and common sense truth is that you should care, because if I am not Anne you and your team have acted very poorly towards me. I cannot help but ask what you would be like if you actually ever had to deal with real politicians when you are wrong in so many ways on your dealings with one anon poster. dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

11:43am Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

DKYN

Why do you persist in writing in this style? I know you can write coherently and spell properly, the evidence is on the article I posted a link to.

Is it a deliberate deception or is there some sort of problem?

You made a mistake, a huge mistake, when you responded as DKYN while signed on as another user. The fact you used UKIP in the name is rather shameful. Do you apologise for that deception?

How many other names do you post under? Clearly posting on the WO brings out your acting skills.
DKYN Why do you persist in writing in this style? I know you can write coherently and spell properly, the evidence is on the article I posted a link to. Is it a deliberate deception or is there some sort of problem? You made a mistake, a huge mistake, when you responded as DKYN while signed on as another user. The fact you used UKIP in the name is rather shameful. Do you apologise for that deception? How many other names do you post under? Clearly posting on the WO brings out your acting skills. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

11:52am Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
DKYN

Why do you persist in writing in this style? I know you can write coherently and spell properly, the evidence is on the article I posted a link to.

Is it a deliberate deception or is there some sort of problem?

You made a mistake, a huge mistake, when you responded as DKYN while signed on as another user. The fact you used UKIP in the name is rather shameful. Do you apologise for that deception?

How many other names do you post under? Clearly posting on the WO brings out your acting skills.
I have but 2 DKYN and ukip something or other, no more, I have never posted on another local newspaper, and really you are just fogging the issue and compounding, there was no deception was there as it was signed DKYN, in your trawling of this site have you found any other posts by ukip-pal
and while your at it maybe you would like to tell me my other Pseudonyms on here?
I am just an anon poster etc thats all,
I suggest you look at the way you are treating me and how that reflects on YOU as a Mayoral candidate, it is not good, nor is your smearing of Anne Joynes
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: DKYN Why do you persist in writing in this style? I know you can write coherently and spell properly, the evidence is on the article I posted a link to. Is it a deliberate deception or is there some sort of problem? You made a mistake, a huge mistake, when you responded as DKYN while signed on as another user. The fact you used UKIP in the name is rather shameful. Do you apologise for that deception? How many other names do you post under? Clearly posting on the WO brings out your acting skills.[/p][/quote]I have but 2 DKYN and ukip something or other, no more, I have never posted on another local newspaper, and really you are just fogging the issue and compounding, there was no deception was there as it was signed DKYN, in your trawling of this site have you found any other posts by ukip-pal and while your at it maybe you would like to tell me my other Pseudonyms on here? I am just an anon poster etc thats all, I suggest you look at the way you are treating me and how that reflects on YOU as a Mayoral candidate, it is not good, nor is your smearing of Anne Joynes dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Andrew1963 says...

Getting back to the point, i believe the £800,000 is the result of closing down the Farm terrace allotments. In my view these large one off investments are not the way to go. There should be a regular annual investment programme in recreation (allotments; sports pitches, etc) so that facilities are kept in a good state. Virtually all this money will go on new fences - it is a difficult thing to say you have improved allotments by putting right a dozen years of neglecting the boundaries to your property. Surely routine expenditure is better than routine indifference and splashing the cash to divert attention from the closure of a facility?
Getting back to the point, i believe the £800,000 is the result of closing down the Farm terrace allotments. In my view these large one off investments are not the way to go. There should be a regular annual investment programme in recreation (allotments; sports pitches, etc) so that facilities are kept in a good state. Virtually all this money will go on new fences - it is a difficult thing to say you have improved allotments by putting right a dozen years of neglecting the boundaries to your property. Surely routine expenditure is better than routine indifference and splashing the cash to divert attention from the closure of a facility? Andrew1963
  • Score: 5

12:29pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
Getting back to the point, i believe the £800,000 is the result of closing down the Farm terrace allotments. In my view these large one off investments are not the way to go. There should be a regular annual investment programme in recreation (allotments; sports pitches, etc) so that facilities are kept in a good state. Virtually all this money will go on new fences - it is a difficult thing to say you have improved allotments by putting right a dozen years of neglecting the boundaries to your property. Surely routine expenditure is better than routine indifference and splashing the cash to divert attention from the closure of a facility?
Well said Andrew, you are quite right.

UKIP is committed to maintaining and improving the facilities to allotments in Watford.

I have heard somewhere there has been underinvestment in the past with vague promises of future spending, almost as a sweetener for losing some protected allotments space. This is not the right way of doing things.

Ukip would like to keep allotments as near to the people that use them as possible and spend on their maintenance that which is necessary and affordable. In other words a sustainable program of protection and enhancement.

I have no idea of how much needs to be spent or over what period of time, but when there is the money to build bridges over a pond it shows a certain lack of perspective by the council leaders.

UKIP does not play games, it is interested in doing what is right and keeping Farm terrace and maintaining and improving allotments is one of our commitments to doing what is right for Watford.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Getting back to the point, i believe the £800,000 is the result of closing down the Farm terrace allotments. In my view these large one off investments are not the way to go. There should be a regular annual investment programme in recreation (allotments; sports pitches, etc) so that facilities are kept in a good state. Virtually all this money will go on new fences - it is a difficult thing to say you have improved allotments by putting right a dozen years of neglecting the boundaries to your property. Surely routine expenditure is better than routine indifference and splashing the cash to divert attention from the closure of a facility?[/p][/quote]Well said Andrew, you are quite right. UKIP is committed to maintaining and improving the facilities to allotments in Watford. I have heard somewhere there has been underinvestment in the past with vague promises of future spending, almost as a sweetener for losing some protected allotments space. This is not the right way of doing things. Ukip would like to keep allotments as near to the people that use them as possible and spend on their maintenance that which is necessary and affordable. In other words a sustainable program of protection and enhancement. I have no idea of how much needs to be spent or over what period of time, but when there is the money to build bridges over a pond it shows a certain lack of perspective by the council leaders. UKIP does not play games, it is interested in doing what is right and keeping Farm terrace and maintaining and improving allotments is one of our commitments to doing what is right for Watford. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

12:35pm Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Andrew1963 wrote:
Getting back to the point, i believe the £800,000 is the result of closing down the Farm terrace allotments. In my view these large one off investments are not the way to go. There should be a regular annual investment programme in recreation (allotments; sports pitches, etc) so that facilities are kept in a good state. Virtually all this money will go on new fences - it is a difficult thing to say you have improved allotments by putting right a dozen years of neglecting the boundaries to your property. Surely routine expenditure is better than routine indifference and splashing the cash to divert attention from the closure of a facility?
Well said Andrew, you are quite right.

UKIP is committed to maintaining and improving the facilities to allotments in Watford.

I have heard somewhere there has been underinvestment in the past with vague promises of future spending, almost as a sweetener for losing some protected allotments space. This is not the right way of doing things.

Ukip would like to keep allotments as near to the people that use them as possible and spend on their maintenance that which is necessary and affordable. In other words a sustainable program of protection and enhancement.

I have no idea of how much needs to be spent or over what period of time, but when there is the money to build bridges over a pond it shows a certain lack of perspective by the council leaders.

UKIP does not play games, it is interested in doing what is right and keeping Farm terrace and maintaining and improving allotments is one of our commitments to doing what is right for Watford.
one might say tut tut
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Getting back to the point, i believe the £800,000 is the result of closing down the Farm terrace allotments. In my view these large one off investments are not the way to go. There should be a regular annual investment programme in recreation (allotments; sports pitches, etc) so that facilities are kept in a good state. Virtually all this money will go on new fences - it is a difficult thing to say you have improved allotments by putting right a dozen years of neglecting the boundaries to your property. Surely routine expenditure is better than routine indifference and splashing the cash to divert attention from the closure of a facility?[/p][/quote]Well said Andrew, you are quite right. UKIP is committed to maintaining and improving the facilities to allotments in Watford. I have heard somewhere there has been underinvestment in the past with vague promises of future spending, almost as a sweetener for losing some protected allotments space. This is not the right way of doing things. Ukip would like to keep allotments as near to the people that use them as possible and spend on their maintenance that which is necessary and affordable. In other words a sustainable program of protection and enhancement. I have no idea of how much needs to be spent or over what period of time, but when there is the money to build bridges over a pond it shows a certain lack of perspective by the council leaders. UKIP does not play games, it is interested in doing what is right and keeping Farm terrace and maintaining and improving allotments is one of our commitments to doing what is right for Watford.[/p][/quote]one might say tut tut dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

1:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

not a regular says...

28.08 hectares, or 280,000 sqm at a cost of £4.40/25sqm/year is £49,420 per year incoming. Assuming there are no reduced rates (which there will be).

Minus any maintenance, lost capital by keeping the allotments, an allotment officer and use of a contractor and you're looking at a yearly loss to keep these things running.

So now we're having the council spend an additional £800k on what is a hobby to 1% of the population. Great.

Where did this funding come from? Even it is is s106 funded (and I doubt it will as these allotments are spread out and thus no developer would agree to it). If it's capital financing given to improve parkland then surely it should be used to provide a space to the PUBLIC.
28.08 hectares, or 280,000 sqm at a cost of £4.40/25sqm/year is £49,420 per year incoming. Assuming there are no reduced rates (which there will be). Minus any maintenance, lost capital by keeping the allotments, an allotment officer and use of a contractor and you're looking at a yearly loss to keep these things running. So now we're having the council spend an additional £800k on what is a hobby to 1% of the population. Great. Where did this funding come from? Even it is is s106 funded (and I doubt it will as these allotments are spread out and thus no developer would agree to it). If it's capital financing given to improve parkland then surely it should be used to provide a space to the PUBLIC. not a regular
  • Score: 2

1:10pm Tue 11 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Well we all know what this is about

TUT TUT
The neg rating on this post of -10 which basically is a comment of disapproval does seem at odds with the criticism of the council on this.

Someone seems to be useing this issue for their own self glorification, shameful really
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Well we all know what this is about TUT TUT[/p][/quote]The neg rating on this post of -10 which basically is a comment of disapproval does seem at odds with the criticism of the council on this. Someone seems to be useing this issue for their own self glorification, shameful really dontknowynot
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Tue 11 Feb 14

TRT says...

For once WBC listened to plot holders and instead of enormous fencing creating a "Fort Paddock", they've opted for something far less intrusive visually, and a toilet block (which I'm grateful for). Mind you... they didn't really need to spend quite that much in the first place. The allotments are a bit tired and raggedy, but that's part of their appeal - there's a real sense of the past up there. With those maple pail fences and uninterrupted views to the south, you can almost hear the roar of a Spitfire on a summer's day.
For once WBC listened to plot holders and instead of enormous fencing creating a "Fort Paddock", they've opted for something far less intrusive visually, and a toilet block (which I'm grateful for). Mind you... they didn't really need to spend quite that much in the first place. The allotments are a bit tired and raggedy, but that's part of their appeal - there's a real sense of the past up there. With those maple pail fences and uninterrupted views to the south, you can almost hear the roar of a Spitfire on a summer's day. TRT
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Tue 11 Feb 14

pernix says...

not a regular wrote:
28.08 hectares, or 280,000 sqm at a cost of £4.40/25sqm/year is £49,420 per year incoming. Assuming there are no reduced rates (which there will be).

Minus any maintenance, lost capital by keeping the allotments, an allotment officer and use of a contractor and you're looking at a yearly loss to keep these things running.

So now we're having the council spend an additional £800k on what is a hobby to 1% of the population. Great.

Where did this funding come from? Even it is is s106 funded (and I doubt it will as these allotments are spread out and thus no developer would agree to it). If it's capital financing given to improve parkland then surely it should be used to provide a space to the PUBLIC.
I very much doubt that any recreational facilities funded by the council pay for themselves. I don't personally use skate parks, swings and see-saws, croquet lawns, grass tennis courts, football pitches, etc. but I am perfectly happy for the council to be providing these facilities for others to make use of, because that is what being a community is all about.
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: 28.08 hectares, or 280,000 sqm at a cost of £4.40/25sqm/year is £49,420 per year incoming. Assuming there are no reduced rates (which there will be). Minus any maintenance, lost capital by keeping the allotments, an allotment officer and use of a contractor and you're looking at a yearly loss to keep these things running. So now we're having the council spend an additional £800k on what is a hobby to 1% of the population. Great. Where did this funding come from? Even it is is s106 funded (and I doubt it will as these allotments are spread out and thus no developer would agree to it). If it's capital financing given to improve parkland then surely it should be used to provide a space to the PUBLIC.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that any recreational facilities funded by the council pay for themselves. I don't personally use skate parks, swings and see-saws, croquet lawns, grass tennis courts, football pitches, etc. but I am perfectly happy for the council to be providing these facilities for others to make use of, because that is what being a community is all about. pernix
  • Score: 5

6:01pm Tue 11 Feb 14

sjtrebar says...

This is the council's spin and propaganda. They are getting worried as there is going to be renewed and increased media attention on the case. This was a sweetener that they promised the Government in their first submission. We believe that it is nothing more than a 'carrot' to win the support of other plot holders. But they should know better. All the allotments would welcome improvements but not at the cost of the loss of the Farm terrace site. I think everyone can see through it.
This is the council's spin and propaganda. They are getting worried as there is going to be renewed and increased media attention on the case. This was a sweetener that they promised the Government in their first submission. We believe that it is nothing more than a 'carrot' to win the support of other plot holders. But they should know better. All the allotments would welcome improvements but not at the cost of the loss of the Farm terrace site. I think everyone can see through it. sjtrebar
  • Score: 1

6:35pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
UKIP would not only upgrade the allotments but would keep Farm Terrace allotments as well.

Clearly a choice here between LibDem and UKIP as to what is the best direction for Watford's future.
One thing you need to think about is numbers, Phil. They go something like this: Allotment holders affected by closure of Farm Terrace and relocation to other allotments sites - 60. Number of families likely to benefit from the new housing element in the Health Campus - around 700. Numbers of residents of Watford who will benefit from modernised hospital facilities, - 80,000. Now if I was looking for votes, which of these would I seek to please most?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: UKIP would not only upgrade the allotments but would keep Farm Terrace allotments as well. Clearly a choice here between LibDem and UKIP as to what is the best direction for Watford's future.[/p][/quote]One thing you need to think about is numbers, Phil. They go something like this: Allotment holders affected by closure of Farm Terrace and relocation to other allotments sites - 60. Number of families likely to benefit from the new housing element in the Health Campus - around 700. Numbers of residents of Watford who will benefit from modernised hospital facilities, - 80,000. Now if I was looking for votes, which of these would I seek to please most? Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -2

8:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
UKIP would not only upgrade the allotments but would keep Farm Terrace allotments as well.

Clearly a choice here between LibDem and UKIP as to what is the best direction for Watford's future.
One thing you need to think about is numbers, Phil. They go something like this: Allotment holders affected by closure of Farm Terrace and relocation to other allotments sites - 60. Number of families likely to benefit from the new housing element in the Health Campus - around 700. Numbers of residents of Watford who will benefit from modernised hospital facilities, - 80,000. Now if I was looking for votes, which of these would I seek to please most?
Sometimes you have to do what's right Wacko and take the consequences.

I'm trying to stand up for what's right and I hope people will recognise that for what it is - honest politics.

I also disagree with the premise of your figures, they sound like LibDem propaganda that is now shown to be false.

1. Number of families likely to lose out from not having houses built on Farm Terrace is more like 60-70, not 700.

2. Number of residents likely to benefit from modernised hospital facilities? Yes, 80,000-90,000 potentially from Watford, every resident in fact. I see absolutely no reason why saving a protected allotment site should affect the possibility of modernised hospital facilities. I notice you are no longer talking about a new hospital - it seems the LibDems have given up on that altogether now as a line to hide their development behind.

If you don't mind I will just do what is right and decent and leave the shenanigans to the LibDems and Labour.

I hope people will vote Ukip because of this fresh approach to politics. Doing what is right and decent in an honest way.

If we are elected we will open a full investigation into what has gone on with this development, why we were told things that turned out not to be true, and whether there has been any misuse of public office.

The most open council in the UK is what I have promised, and it is what I will deliver.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: UKIP would not only upgrade the allotments but would keep Farm Terrace allotments as well. Clearly a choice here between LibDem and UKIP as to what is the best direction for Watford's future.[/p][/quote]One thing you need to think about is numbers, Phil. They go something like this: Allotment holders affected by closure of Farm Terrace and relocation to other allotments sites - 60. Number of families likely to benefit from the new housing element in the Health Campus - around 700. Numbers of residents of Watford who will benefit from modernised hospital facilities, - 80,000. Now if I was looking for votes, which of these would I seek to please most?[/p][/quote]Sometimes you have to do what's right Wacko and take the consequences. I'm trying to stand up for what's right and I hope people will recognise that for what it is - honest politics. I also disagree with the premise of your figures, they sound like LibDem propaganda that is now shown to be false. 1. Number of families likely to lose out from not having houses built on Farm Terrace is more like 60-70, not 700. 2. Number of residents likely to benefit from modernised hospital facilities? Yes, 80,000-90,000 potentially from Watford, every resident in fact. I see absolutely no reason why saving a protected allotment site should affect the possibility of modernised hospital facilities. I notice you are no longer talking about a new hospital - it seems the LibDems have given up on that altogether now as a line to hide their development behind. If you don't mind I will just do what is right and decent and leave the shenanigans to the LibDems and Labour. I hope people will vote Ukip because of this fresh approach to politics. Doing what is right and decent in an honest way. If we are elected we will open a full investigation into what has gone on with this development, why we were told things that turned out not to be true, and whether there has been any misuse of public office. The most open council in the UK is what I have promised, and it is what I will deliver. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

9:51pm Tue 11 Feb 14

sjtrebar says...

We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme.
com/save-farm-terrac
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We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e sjtrebar
  • Score: -2

3:19am Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil cox wrote "If you don't mind I will just do what is right and decent and leave the shenanigans to the LibDems and Labour."

shameless!!!!!
Phil cox wrote "If you don't mind I will just do what is right and decent and leave the shenanigans to the LibDems and Labour." shameless!!!!! dontknowynot
  • Score: 1

3:19am Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

sjtrebar wrote:
We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme.

com/save-farm-terrac

e
yep
[quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e[/p][/quote]yep dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

8:08am Wed 12 Feb 14

Wacko Jacko says...

sjtrebar wrote:
We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme.

com/save-farm-terrac

e
Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah
[quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e[/p][/quote]Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -1

8:22am Wed 12 Feb 14

sjtrebar says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
sjtrebar wrote:
We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme.


com/save-farm-terrac


e
Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah
That being a much increased risk to an already high risk flood area?? How exactly does concreting over that much water absorbing green land, help?? Or maybe you mean the increased jobs? Which will mainly be temporary and most probably out sourced to the lowest bidder! Or maybe you mean the 700+ flats which will be squeezed in to an already over crowded highly urbanized area with absolutely no increase in infrastructure??? THAT is the bigger pictue actually!!!! But you are right. My main concern IS saving the only real green space for current and future generations to use to grow healthy fresh clean produce for their families.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e[/p][/quote]Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah[/p][/quote]That being a much increased risk to an already high risk flood area?? How exactly does concreting over that much water absorbing green land, help?? Or maybe you mean the increased jobs? Which will mainly be temporary and most probably out sourced to the lowest bidder! Or maybe you mean the 700+ flats which will be squeezed in to an already over crowded highly urbanized area with absolutely no increase in infrastructure??? THAT is the bigger pictue actually!!!! But you are right. My main concern IS saving the only real green space for current and future generations to use to grow healthy fresh clean produce for their families. sjtrebar
  • Score: 0

8:41am Wed 12 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
sjtrebar wrote:
We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme.


com/save-farm-terrac


e
Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah
Please explain what the bigger picture is Wacko?

Is it still a shiny new hospital SJT is not looking at? Oh no, that one's been rumbled hasn't it?

Or is SJT not looking at the building on flood plains to create a huge housing estate?



We all know the local LibDems want to build on the allotments. I am curious as to why Wacko and his LibDem colleagues in council think that protesters should not protest about the lost of a local amenity that is protected from development by law.

Something not quite right here. That's why Ukip have committed to holding a full and open investigation over this overdevelopment of housing.

Will the greens and Labour back Ukip on this? No word as yet, in fact they have stayed curiously silent on the matter.

If it comes to the choice I hope they will do what is right rather than what is in the interests of their parties over Farm Terrace.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e[/p][/quote]Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah[/p][/quote]Please explain what the bigger picture is Wacko? Is it still a shiny new hospital SJT is not looking at? Oh no, that one's been rumbled hasn't it? Or is SJT not looking at the building on flood plains to create a huge housing estate? We all know the local LibDems want to build on the allotments. I am curious as to why Wacko and his LibDem colleagues in council think that protesters should not protest about the lost of a local amenity that is protected from development by law. Something not quite right here. That's why Ukip have committed to holding a full and open investigation over this overdevelopment of housing. Will the greens and Labour back Ukip on this? No word as yet, in fact they have stayed curiously silent on the matter. If it comes to the choice I hope they will do what is right rather than what is in the interests of their parties over Farm Terrace. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

10:03am Wed 12 Feb 14

not a regular says...

pernix wrote:
not a regular wrote: 28.08 hectares, or 280,000 sqm at a cost of £4.40/25sqm/year is £49,420 per year incoming. Assuming there are no reduced rates (which there will be). Minus any maintenance, lost capital by keeping the allotments, an allotment officer and use of a contractor and you're looking at a yearly loss to keep these things running. So now we're having the council spend an additional £800k on what is a hobby to 1% of the population. Great. Where did this funding come from? Even it is is s106 funded (and I doubt it will as these allotments are spread out and thus no developer would agree to it). If it's capital financing given to improve parkland then surely it should be used to provide a space to the PUBLIC.
I very much doubt that any recreational facilities funded by the council pay for themselves. I don't personally use skate parks, swings and see-saws, croquet lawns, grass tennis courts, football pitches, etc. but I am perfectly happy for the council to be providing these facilities for others to make use of, because that is what being a community is all about.
I am very much in favour of council funded recreational facilities. As you say, that's what being a community is all about.

The things you mentioned, like skate parks, may be of no interest to you. But nobody is telling you that you can't use them, you just choose not to. Much like public libraries and museums. Allotments, however, are not public space, and are not a necessary part of life (like shelter, food and energy which is rightly subsidised through social housing).

It's not open to the public and therefore should not be funded via the public.
[quote][p][bold]pernix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: 28.08 hectares, or 280,000 sqm at a cost of £4.40/25sqm/year is £49,420 per year incoming. Assuming there are no reduced rates (which there will be). Minus any maintenance, lost capital by keeping the allotments, an allotment officer and use of a contractor and you're looking at a yearly loss to keep these things running. So now we're having the council spend an additional £800k on what is a hobby to 1% of the population. Great. Where did this funding come from? Even it is is s106 funded (and I doubt it will as these allotments are spread out and thus no developer would agree to it). If it's capital financing given to improve parkland then surely it should be used to provide a space to the PUBLIC.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that any recreational facilities funded by the council pay for themselves. I don't personally use skate parks, swings and see-saws, croquet lawns, grass tennis courts, football pitches, etc. but I am perfectly happy for the council to be providing these facilities for others to make use of, because that is what being a community is all about.[/p][/quote]I am very much in favour of council funded recreational facilities. As you say, that's what being a community is all about. The things you mentioned, like skate parks, may be of no interest to you. But nobody is telling you that you can't use them, you just choose not to. Much like public libraries and museums. Allotments, however, are not public space, and are not a necessary part of life (like shelter, food and energy which is rightly subsidised through social housing). It's not open to the public and therefore should not be funded via the public. not a regular
  • Score: -2

10:05am Wed 12 Feb 14

not a regular says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
sjtrebar wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e
Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah
Please explain what the bigger picture is Wacko? Is it still a shiny new hospital SJT is not looking at? Oh no, that one's been rumbled hasn't it? Or is SJT not looking at the building on flood plains to create a huge housing estate? We all know the local LibDems want to build on the allotments. I am curious as to why Wacko and his LibDem colleagues in council think that protesters should not protest about the lost of a local amenity that is protected from development by law. Something not quite right here. That's why Ukip have committed to holding a full and open investigation over this overdevelopment of housing. Will the greens and Labour back Ukip on this? No word as yet, in fact they have stayed curiously silent on the matter. If it comes to the choice I hope they will do what is right rather than what is in the interests of their parties over Farm Terrace.
You've mentioned "do what is right" about 100 times so far. You're starting to sound like Cameron.

Next you'll be telling us about "hard working, aspirational, allotment tenants".
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e[/p][/quote]Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah[/p][/quote]Please explain what the bigger picture is Wacko? Is it still a shiny new hospital SJT is not looking at? Oh no, that one's been rumbled hasn't it? Or is SJT not looking at the building on flood plains to create a huge housing estate? We all know the local LibDems want to build on the allotments. I am curious as to why Wacko and his LibDem colleagues in council think that protesters should not protest about the lost of a local amenity that is protected from development by law. Something not quite right here. That's why Ukip have committed to holding a full and open investigation over this overdevelopment of housing. Will the greens and Labour back Ukip on this? No word as yet, in fact they have stayed curiously silent on the matter. If it comes to the choice I hope they will do what is right rather than what is in the interests of their parties over Farm Terrace.[/p][/quote]You've mentioned "do what is right" about 100 times so far. You're starting to sound like Cameron. Next you'll be telling us about "hard working, aspirational, allotment tenants". not a regular
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

not a regular wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
sjtrebar wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e
Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah
Please explain what the bigger picture is Wacko? Is it still a shiny new hospital SJT is not looking at? Oh no, that one's been rumbled hasn't it? Or is SJT not looking at the building on flood plains to create a huge housing estate? We all know the local LibDems want to build on the allotments. I am curious as to why Wacko and his LibDem colleagues in council think that protesters should not protest about the lost of a local amenity that is protected from development by law. Something not quite right here. That's why Ukip have committed to holding a full and open investigation over this overdevelopment of housing. Will the greens and Labour back Ukip on this? No word as yet, in fact they have stayed curiously silent on the matter. If it comes to the choice I hope they will do what is right rather than what is in the interests of their parties over Farm Terrace.
You've mentioned "do what is right" about 100 times so far. You're starting to sound like Cameron.

Next you'll be telling us about "hard working, aspirational, allotment tenants".
It sounds like my message is getting through then. Good.

Ukip will locally not follow any party agenda but will try to do what is right for the people and town or Watford.

It's such a good idea it's worth repeating!
[quote][p][bold]not a regular[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: We are not politically motivated, we are community motivated. We don't care about who people vote for as long as we can all be united in saving Farm Terrace Allotments. To that end it would be great if we could see some financial help to put towards our fight. So far every other party except the Liberals and Conservatives have said they will save us if elected. Please continue to champion us as part of your manifesto but put your money where your mouth is and donate at - http://www.gofundme. com/save-farm-terrac e[/p][/quote]Or more succinctly she doesn't care about anything apart from her own and other Farm Terrace allotment holder's self interest. Time to look at the bigger picture Sarah[/p][/quote]Please explain what the bigger picture is Wacko? Is it still a shiny new hospital SJT is not looking at? Oh no, that one's been rumbled hasn't it? Or is SJT not looking at the building on flood plains to create a huge housing estate? We all know the local LibDems want to build on the allotments. I am curious as to why Wacko and his LibDem colleagues in council think that protesters should not protest about the lost of a local amenity that is protected from development by law. Something not quite right here. That's why Ukip have committed to holding a full and open investigation over this overdevelopment of housing. Will the greens and Labour back Ukip on this? No word as yet, in fact they have stayed curiously silent on the matter. If it comes to the choice I hope they will do what is right rather than what is in the interests of their parties over Farm Terrace.[/p][/quote]You've mentioned "do what is right" about 100 times so far. You're starting to sound like Cameron. Next you'll be telling us about "hard working, aspirational, allotment tenants".[/p][/quote]It sounds like my message is getting through then. Good. Ukip will locally not follow any party agenda but will try to do what is right for the people and town or Watford. It's such a good idea it's worth repeating! Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

2:22pm Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

The penny has dropped
Th whole point of Phil Cox & UKIP is to make the Libdems look good, their constant hijacking of issues and barmy policies are aimed at getting Dotty el duce and her cronies re elected, they are all part of a Libdem sleeper cell he as much as admitted it with his SDP and Libdem background.
The penny has dropped Th whole point of Phil Cox & UKIP is to make the Libdems look good, their constant hijacking of issues and barmy policies are aimed at getting Dotty el duce and her cronies re elected, they are all part of a Libdem sleeper cell he as much as admitted it with his SDP and Libdem background. dontknowynot
  • Score: -1

2:38pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
The penny has dropped
Th whole point of Phil Cox & UKIP is to make the Libdems look good, their constant hijacking of issues and barmy policies are aimed at getting Dotty el duce and her cronies re elected, they are all part of a Libdem sleeper cell he as much as admitted it with his SDP and Libdem background.
Mainly a Labour background actually as you well know but choose to gloss over as it doesn't suit your Labour agenda.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

Nothing else comes close.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: The penny has dropped Th whole point of Phil Cox & UKIP is to make the Libdems look good, their constant hijacking of issues and barmy policies are aimed at getting Dotty el duce and her cronies re elected, they are all part of a Libdem sleeper cell he as much as admitted it with his SDP and Libdem background.[/p][/quote]Mainly a Labour background actually as you well know but choose to gloss over as it doesn't suit your Labour agenda. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. Nothing else comes close. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

3:34pm Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
dontknowynot wrote:
The penny has dropped
Th whole point of Phil Cox & UKIP is to make the Libdems look good, their constant hijacking of issues and barmy policies are aimed at getting Dotty el duce and her cronies re elected, they are all part of a Libdem sleeper cell he as much as admitted it with his SDP and Libdem background.
Mainly a Labour background actually as you well know but choose to gloss over as it doesn't suit your Labour agenda.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

Nothing else comes close.
the WO got it wrong then clearly best take it up with them.
Anyway noone can doubt that you hate Labour now thats for sure.never let a chance go by to blame it on Labour and suck up to the Torys thats you and Simon Hughes all over.
As for voting UKIP and getting UKIP as I have stated it is nonsense, now remind me what % of Eastern region MEP's are still UKIP and what % of UKIP MEP,s in general are still UKIP.
Locally where do you actually stand a chance of winning a seat, because I see no wards set to turn UKIP, but wards where you might keep your pals the Libdems in.
This week is set to see your party fail spectacularly to make inroads into the Labour vote up north, it also sees confirmation in opinion polls that your vote peaked last year,
Locally your party cannot win and a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Libdems, but if the truth be known that is OK with you because you just hate Labour.
Vote UKIP get libdem
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: The penny has dropped Th whole point of Phil Cox & UKIP is to make the Libdems look good, their constant hijacking of issues and barmy policies are aimed at getting Dotty el duce and her cronies re elected, they are all part of a Libdem sleeper cell he as much as admitted it with his SDP and Libdem background.[/p][/quote]Mainly a Labour background actually as you well know but choose to gloss over as it doesn't suit your Labour agenda. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. Nothing else comes close.[/p][/quote]the WO got it wrong then clearly best take it up with them. Anyway noone can doubt that you hate Labour now thats for sure.never let a chance go by to blame it on Labour and suck up to the Torys thats you and Simon Hughes all over. As for voting UKIP and getting UKIP as I have stated it is nonsense, now remind me what % of Eastern region MEP's are still UKIP and what % of UKIP MEP,s in general are still UKIP. Locally where do you actually stand a chance of winning a seat, because I see no wards set to turn UKIP, but wards where you might keep your pals the Libdems in. This week is set to see your party fail spectacularly to make inroads into the Labour vote up north, it also sees confirmation in opinion polls that your vote peaked last year, Locally your party cannot win and a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Libdems, but if the truth be known that is OK with you because you just hate Labour. Vote UKIP get libdem dontknowynot
  • Score: -2

4:49pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

DKYN, get a grip.

First I'm a Tory, then I'm a LibDem.

In case you hadn't noticed I'm actually in Ukip and standing for Ukip against an incumbent LibDem Mayor who you and your party have failed to make any sort of dent in over the last 12 years.

If I wanted to stand for the LibDems, which I most definitely do not, life might have been a little easier for me rather than taking them on head-on.

Come on, think about it.

Ukip are making inroads across the country. Watford will be no exception.

Your ex-supporters will be voting for us in May. A number of them are even signed-up members of Ukip now.

No wonder you rabbit on senselessly trying to persuade anyone who might listen that we are anything but Ukip. Well you're wrong, we are Ukip through and through.

I don't hate Labour at all, I know that most people in Labour mean well. I haven't lost my desire to see a healthy and free NHS and good schools, I have just discovered how useless Labour was at delivering them, how much money has been wasted time and again and I have no wish to see that waste repeated. Ukip will deliver better services than Labour ever could and without the waste, because we do not carry your left-wing baggage.

That's one of the reasons people are leaving Labour and joining Ukip. Common sense goes a long way, political baggage just gets in the way.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

Accept no substitute!
DKYN, get a grip. First I'm a Tory, then I'm a LibDem. In case you hadn't noticed I'm actually in Ukip and standing for Ukip against an incumbent LibDem Mayor who you and your party have failed to make any sort of dent in over the last 12 years. If I wanted to stand for the LibDems, which I most definitely do not, life might have been a little easier for me rather than taking them on head-on. Come on, think about it. Ukip are making inroads across the country. Watford will be no exception. Your ex-supporters will be voting for us in May. A number of them are even signed-up members of Ukip now. No wonder you rabbit on senselessly trying to persuade anyone who might listen that we are anything but Ukip. Well you're wrong, we are Ukip through and through. I don't hate Labour at all, I know that most people in Labour mean well. I haven't lost my desire to see a healthy and free NHS and good schools, I have just discovered how useless Labour was at delivering them, how much money has been wasted time and again and I have no wish to see that waste repeated. Ukip will deliver better services than Labour ever could and without the waste, because we do not carry your left-wing baggage. That's one of the reasons people are leaving Labour and joining Ukip. Common sense goes a long way, political baggage just gets in the way. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. Accept no substitute! Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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4:56pm Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
DKYN, get a grip.

First I'm a Tory, then I'm a LibDem.

In case you hadn't noticed I'm actually in Ukip and standing for Ukip against an incumbent LibDem Mayor who you and your party have failed to make any sort of dent in over the last 12 years.

If I wanted to stand for the LibDems, which I most definitely do not, life might have been a little easier for me rather than taking them on head-on.

Come on, think about it.

Ukip are making inroads across the country. Watford will be no exception.

Your ex-supporters will be voting for us in May. A number of them are even signed-up members of Ukip now.

No wonder you rabbit on senselessly trying to persuade anyone who might listen that we are anything but Ukip. Well you're wrong, we are Ukip through and through.

I don't hate Labour at all, I know that most people in Labour mean well. I haven't lost my desire to see a healthy and free NHS and good schools, I have just discovered how useless Labour was at delivering them, how much money has been wasted time and again and I have no wish to see that waste repeated. Ukip will deliver better services than Labour ever could and without the waste, because we do not carry your left-wing baggage.

That's one of the reasons people are leaving Labour and joining Ukip. Common sense goes a long way, political baggage just gets in the way.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

Accept no substitute!
if ducking Q is what counts you might get somewhere
No answer re the Eatern region MEPs 50%
or the total MEP's 70% I think
Nor any ward UKIP actually stand a chance in none
Just as you can't answer any Q
vote UKIP get nothing that makes sense
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: DKYN, get a grip. First I'm a Tory, then I'm a LibDem. In case you hadn't noticed I'm actually in Ukip and standing for Ukip against an incumbent LibDem Mayor who you and your party have failed to make any sort of dent in over the last 12 years. If I wanted to stand for the LibDems, which I most definitely do not, life might have been a little easier for me rather than taking them on head-on. Come on, think about it. Ukip are making inroads across the country. Watford will be no exception. Your ex-supporters will be voting for us in May. A number of them are even signed-up members of Ukip now. No wonder you rabbit on senselessly trying to persuade anyone who might listen that we are anything but Ukip. Well you're wrong, we are Ukip through and through. I don't hate Labour at all, I know that most people in Labour mean well. I haven't lost my desire to see a healthy and free NHS and good schools, I have just discovered how useless Labour was at delivering them, how much money has been wasted time and again and I have no wish to see that waste repeated. Ukip will deliver better services than Labour ever could and without the waste, because we do not carry your left-wing baggage. That's one of the reasons people are leaving Labour and joining Ukip. Common sense goes a long way, political baggage just gets in the way. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. Accept no substitute![/p][/quote]if ducking Q is what counts you might get somewhere No answer re the Eatern region MEPs 50% or the total MEP's 70% I think Nor any ward UKIP actually stand a chance in none Just as you can't answer any Q vote UKIP get nothing that makes sense dontknowynot
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5:21pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Vote Ukip, get properly maintained allotments and parks year in year out.

That's what this story is about after all, allotments and I am saying what a Ukip Mayor will do for them.

Plain speaking, plain commitment, no small print. As Mayor I would do all in my power to push the council to offer this and save Farm Terrace. It is something all councillors should be in favour of. It's the right thing to do.

Unscrupulous councils might neglect them in the hope of them being abandoned and turned over to prime building land. That's just sneaky and wrong. Ukip are better than that.

I am standing for local election for Mayor. My colleagues are standing for councillor in all Watford wards.

We are standing because we want to win, we want a positive change in Watford. We are the real alternative to the failed politics of the other parties.

I could have stood for another party but I have little respect for the other parties and how they treat the electorate. I have lots of respect for the people who vote for them, but not so much for the parties themselves who do not seem to respect their own voters.

The other parties all seem so controlling and detached. Ukip is not like the other parties, Ukip is not like your party DKYN and it is better for it.

On wider but irrelevant to local elections issues we had some UKIP MEP's disappear but we will get all those seats back at this election and then some more on top I suspect. There is even talk of Ukip coming first and the LibDems being wiped out. How about that?

I look forward to the local elections this year. I look forward to taking on Dorothy and Jagtar in the hustings. It's going to be interesting for Watford finally to have an alternative to vote for. With secondary votes there is everything to play for in 2014.

Labour, LibDem, Conservative, Independent and Green voters will have to decide who to give their primary and secondary votes to.

Would they prefer another term with Dorothy Thornhill in charge or would they prefer A Ukip Mayor, working completely indpendently in the interests of the people of Watford? I have already promised to treat all parties fairly.

On that basis, I think we stand a reasonable chance. Don't you?
Vote Ukip, get properly maintained allotments and parks year in year out. That's what this story is about after all, allotments and I am saying what a Ukip Mayor will do for them. Plain speaking, plain commitment, no small print. As Mayor I would do all in my power to push the council to offer this and save Farm Terrace. It is something all councillors should be in favour of. It's the right thing to do. Unscrupulous councils might neglect them in the hope of them being abandoned and turned over to prime building land. That's just sneaky and wrong. Ukip are better than that. I am standing for local election for Mayor. My colleagues are standing for councillor in all Watford wards. We are standing because we want to win, we want a positive change in Watford. We are the real alternative to the failed politics of the other parties. I could have stood for another party but I have little respect for the other parties and how they treat the electorate. I have lots of respect for the people who vote for them, but not so much for the parties themselves who do not seem to respect their own voters. The other parties all seem so controlling and detached. Ukip is not like the other parties, Ukip is not like your party DKYN and it is better for it. On wider but irrelevant to local elections issues we had some UKIP MEP's disappear but we will get all those seats back at this election and then some more on top I suspect. There is even talk of Ukip coming first and the LibDems being wiped out. How about that? I look forward to the local elections this year. I look forward to taking on Dorothy and Jagtar in the hustings. It's going to be interesting for Watford finally to have an alternative to vote for. With secondary votes there is everything to play for in 2014. Labour, LibDem, Conservative, Independent and Green voters will have to decide who to give their primary and secondary votes to. Would they prefer another term with Dorothy Thornhill in charge or would they prefer A Ukip Mayor, working completely indpendently in the interests of the people of Watford? I have already promised to treat all parties fairly. On that basis, I think we stand a reasonable chance. Don't you? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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6:49pm Wed 12 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Your local ukip policys
1) Internet policy on cllr posting on WO that can’t be maintained
2) Expensive Local referendum on issues,
3) Maintaining payments on maintenance
4) Pumping the water down stream to make it someone else’s problem
5) Blaming Labour for the Black death
6) Always ignore Logic
7) Never ever answer a Question
Your local ukip policys 1) Internet policy on cllr posting on WO that can’t be maintained 2) Expensive Local referendum on issues, 3) Maintaining payments on maintenance 4) Pumping the water down stream to make it someone else’s problem 5) Blaming Labour for the Black death 6) Always ignore Logic 7) Never ever answer a Question dontknowynot
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7:01am Thu 13 Feb 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

dontknowynot wrote:
Your local ukip policys
1) Internet policy on cllr posting on WO that can’t be maintained
2) Expensive Local referendum on issues,
3) Maintaining payments on maintenance
4) Pumping the water down stream to make it someone else’s problem
5) Blaming Labour for the Black death
6) Always ignore Logic
7) Never ever answer a Question
Not surprisingly all your points are either lies or incorrect.

I am happy to debate all your points face to face if you have the courage to face me. Until such time you will remain a Labour poster who peddles lie after lie after lie. I do hope your voters see your posts and act accordingly at the ballot box in Watford, particularly in Leggatts.

I doubt any readers are foolish enough to believe any of your posts which is a shame as on the odd rare occasion you have actually tried to make a point and once I even gave you a thumbs up on your post because you were right about something and made a good point.

What a shame you put your talents to misinformation and insults. You might actually be able to do some good if you changed your ways.

Clearly you view Ukip as the greatest threat to Labour in Watford and on that point I would agree with you. We are the only threat to Labour in Watford.

None of the other parties are attracting ex-Labour supporters and members like Ukip are.

Did I mention we are holding an open public meeting on 20th Feb at the Town And Country Club. All welcome. 7:30. Labour supporters please come along and ask us why it would be better to support Ukip than Labour.

That's irrelevant though if you have a LibDem Mayor and majority on council - they can just ignore Labour like they did over Farm Terrace.

Labour in Watford are a toothless party locally without enough support to get anything done. A Ukip Mayor would not ignore the Labour group, you would be treated fairly and equally and your proposals, if they have merit, would be given fair and equal consideration.

Consequently, as it is not likely there will be a Labour Mayor in Watford for several reasons, it would be in the interest of minority parties like Labour to have a Ukip Mayor.

So DKYN, when it comes to casting your vote I know you will put your primary vote in the box marked "Labour".

The interesting part is when it comes to casting your secondary vote.

You have to ask yourself whether you would prefer a LibDem Mayor or a me as a Ukip Mayor, because that is the straight choice facing you.
[quote][p][bold]dontknowynot[/bold] wrote: Your local ukip policys 1) Internet policy on cllr posting on WO that can’t be maintained 2) Expensive Local referendum on issues, 3) Maintaining payments on maintenance 4) Pumping the water down stream to make it someone else’s problem 5) Blaming Labour for the Black death 6) Always ignore Logic 7) Never ever answer a Question[/p][/quote]Not surprisingly all your points are either lies or incorrect. I am happy to debate all your points face to face if you have the courage to face me. Until such time you will remain a Labour poster who peddles lie after lie after lie. I do hope your voters see your posts and act accordingly at the ballot box in Watford, particularly in Leggatts. I doubt any readers are foolish enough to believe any of your posts which is a shame as on the odd rare occasion you have actually tried to make a point and once I even gave you a thumbs up on your post because you were right about something and made a good point. What a shame you put your talents to misinformation and insults. You might actually be able to do some good if you changed your ways. Clearly you view Ukip as the greatest threat to Labour in Watford and on that point I would agree with you. We are the only threat to Labour in Watford. None of the other parties are attracting ex-Labour supporters and members like Ukip are. Did I mention we are holding an open public meeting on 20th Feb at the Town And Country Club. All welcome. 7:30. Labour supporters please come along and ask us why it would be better to support Ukip than Labour. That's irrelevant though if you have a LibDem Mayor and majority on council - they can just ignore Labour like they did over Farm Terrace. Labour in Watford are a toothless party locally without enough support to get anything done. A Ukip Mayor would not ignore the Labour group, you would be treated fairly and equally and your proposals, if they have merit, would be given fair and equal consideration. Consequently, as it is not likely there will be a Labour Mayor in Watford for several reasons, it would be in the interest of minority parties like Labour to have a Ukip Mayor. So DKYN, when it comes to casting your vote I know you will put your primary vote in the box marked "Labour". The interesting part is when it comes to casting your secondary vote. You have to ask yourself whether you would prefer a LibDem Mayor or a me as a Ukip Mayor, because that is the straight choice facing you. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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