Bushey North representative Councillor Leslie Winters grills Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, on LBC radio over 'blatant disloyalty'

Watford Observer: Bushey councillor grills Deputy PM live on radio over 'blatant disloyalty' Bushey councillor grills Deputy PM live on radio over 'blatant disloyalty'

A Bushey councillor called for the resignation of the Deputy Prime Minister live on the radio yesterday.

Bushey North representative Councillor Leslie Winters phoned into LBC’s weekly breakfast show, which sees Nick Clegg challenged by listeners and the show’s host Nick Ferrari.

Mr Winters called after Mr Clegg’s comments about “cosying up” with Labour in the next General Election.

Mr Winters said on air: “As Deputy Prime Minister of the coalition for four years, you have been very critical of Labour's economic record.

'P45 and marching orders'

“Last weekend on another radio station you said Labour had become more credible and then if no party had an overall majority in the next election you would tend to cosy up with Labour.

“I have two questions for you. Why should the PM not give you your P45 and marching orders, and secondly have you have absolutely no shame to be so disloyal. I think is absolutely amazing that you can do that.”

Nick Clegg said in response: “I’m sorry to hear Leslie you feel so strongly. I didn’t of course say that. If you listen to the interview, what I said was actually a rather common place, unsurprising observation which was that given that Labour appeared so completely unprepared for a hung parliament in 2010 you would have thought they have changed since then and are more open to planning for the possibility they might need to share power. I didn’t say anything about their credibility on the economy.

'A little over the top'

“In fact I remain as critical now as I always have done for Labour's failure to apologise for the economic mess they created. So I think the reaction to those rather unsurprising observations was a little over the top but there you go. That’s the way people sometimes extrapolate from these kinds of comments.”

Speaking after the radio call in, Mr Winters said: “I was invited to speak to Nick Clegg and questioned him as to his blatant disloyalty in his position as deputy prime minister.

“Nick Clegg declined to answer as to my wish that the PM give him his P45 over his shameful outburst, where he said he would consider supporting the Labour Party after the next election should the result be a hung parliament. He is unfit to hold the office of deputy PM and be kicked out. He just did not have the answers and waffled on. I hope to meet up with him again.”

During the show, Nick Clegg also challenged Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, to a live debate on Britain's membership of the European Union before May's elections.

The show can be heard via: http://www.lbc.co.uk/call-clegg-watch-live-on-lbc-tv-65540

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12:21pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Hairy Hornet says...

The councillors comments betray a real naivety and lack of political nous. Sort of remarks you would expect from angry of Tunbridge Wells. Dont think Westminster has anything to fear!
The councillors comments betray a real naivety and lack of political nous. Sort of remarks you would expect from angry of Tunbridge Wells. Dont think Westminster has anything to fear! Hairy Hornet

1:04pm Fri 21 Feb 14

garston tony says...

Personally I think its Cllr Winters who should resign/be given his P45 by whatever party he represents for making such an idiot of himself on the radio.

Wether or not Clegg did say what this Cllr accused him of (and it appears the Cllr got the whole basis for his grievance wrong from the off) surely we WANT our politicians to be able to change their minds. We all change our minds on many things every day of our lives when we get new information or a situation changes so why do people think politicians should plow on regardless with whatever path they have set themselves on and not take into account changes?!?!

Personally I think Labour are even worse now than they were when they were actually in power, they havent ever apologised for the mess that they made yet constantly attack the government who is trying to clear it up whilst all the while not having any policies to put forward themselves! The Lib Dems are on a loser if they do want to cosy up to them but that is their choice to make.

But Cllr Winters, here is a clue for you as to why Cameron does not give Clegg a P45. Clegg DOESNT WORK FOR HIM. He is a leader of a seperate party who has formed a coalition with the Conservatives, that does not make him beholden to the Conservatives or Cameron and Clegg is perfectly entitled to voice opinions that do not match those of his partners. In fact i'm glad that he does, it shows that he is independant still and that there are checks and balances from both parties moderating what the government does.

The only way Cameron could 'sack' Clegg anyway is to call for an election, no party wants that right now least of all Labour who are a total wash out.

Cllr Winter reminds me of the type of husband who expects his wife to be totally subservient and wait on him and and foot, to be seen but not heard. Cllr Winter is a political cave man basically and people of Bushey please vote him out!
Personally I think its Cllr Winters who should resign/be given his P45 by whatever party he represents for making such an idiot of himself on the radio. Wether or not Clegg did say what this Cllr accused him of (and it appears the Cllr got the whole basis for his grievance wrong from the off) surely we WANT our politicians to be able to change their minds. We all change our minds on many things every day of our lives when we get new information or a situation changes so why do people think politicians should plow on regardless with whatever path they have set themselves on and not take into account changes?!?! Personally I think Labour are even worse now than they were when they were actually in power, they havent ever apologised for the mess that they made yet constantly attack the government who is trying to clear it up whilst all the while not having any policies to put forward themselves! The Lib Dems are on a loser if they do want to cosy up to them but that is their choice to make. But Cllr Winters, here is a clue for you as to why Cameron does not give Clegg a P45. Clegg DOESNT WORK FOR HIM. He is a leader of a seperate party who has formed a coalition with the Conservatives, that does not make him beholden to the Conservatives or Cameron and Clegg is perfectly entitled to voice opinions that do not match those of his partners. In fact i'm glad that he does, it shows that he is independant still and that there are checks and balances from both parties moderating what the government does. The only way Cameron could 'sack' Clegg anyway is to call for an election, no party wants that right now least of all Labour who are a total wash out. Cllr Winter reminds me of the type of husband who expects his wife to be totally subservient and wait on him and and foot, to be seen but not heard. Cllr Winter is a political cave man basically and people of Bushey please vote him out! garston tony

1:21pm Fri 21 Feb 14

CaptainPC says...

Politicians are scum.......
Politicians are scum....... CaptainPC

1:51pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Smilingburkinshaw says...

You can't call an election, its a fixed, five year term parliament.
You can't call an election, its a fixed, five year term parliament. Smilingburkinshaw

2:16pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Arthur says...

garston tony wrote:
Personally I think its Cllr Winters who should resign/be given his P45 by whatever party he represents for making such an idiot of himself on the radio.

Wether or not Clegg did say what this Cllr accused him of (and it appears the Cllr got the whole basis for his grievance wrong from the off) surely we WANT our politicians to be able to change their minds. We all change our minds on many things every day of our lives when we get new information or a situation changes so why do people think politicians should plow on regardless with whatever path they have set themselves on and not take into account changes?!?!

Personally I think Labour are even worse now than they were when they were actually in power, they havent ever apologised for the mess that they made yet constantly attack the government who is trying to clear it up whilst all the while not having any policies to put forward themselves! The Lib Dems are on a loser if they do want to cosy up to them but that is their choice to make.

But Cllr Winters, here is a clue for you as to why Cameron does not give Clegg a P45. Clegg DOESNT WORK FOR HIM. He is a leader of a seperate party who has formed a coalition with the Conservatives, that does not make him beholden to the Conservatives or Cameron and Clegg is perfectly entitled to voice opinions that do not match those of his partners. In fact i'm glad that he does, it shows that he is independant still and that there are checks and balances from both parties moderating what the government does.

The only way Cameron could 'sack' Clegg anyway is to call for an election, no party wants that right now least of all Labour who are a total wash out.

Cllr Winter reminds me of the type of husband who expects his wife to be totally subservient and wait on him and and foot, to be seen but not heard. Cllr Winter is a political cave man basically and people of Bushey please vote him out!
Contrary to the "Tory Story" repeated ad nauseum throughout the media, Labour's economic credentials are very strong.

Despite Tory and Lib-Dem success in conning everyone with their repetitive Laurel and Hardy mantra:
"Another fine mess you've left us in"

Labour delivered unprecedented UK growth between 1997 and 2008.

Despite Brown dropping a clanger in 2007 by abolishing the 10p tax rate, followed by the 2008 financial tsunami that hit our shores due to the earthquake of US sub-prime debt, the truth is that it was Brown and Obama who engineered fiscal stimulus.

This transformed an imminent world depression into a much milder problem with Britain even enjoying fragile growth by the 2010 election. Yes, we had a deficit; two-thirds caused by the bankers and one-third from the government pump-priming the economy for growth and jobs.

That was the price of avoiding a depression
created by greedy Banksters which resulted in a steady return to growth 2009-2010 better than Osborne achieved since pro rata

Garston Tony you need to get out more, stop regurgitating the propaganda and wake up to what's really going on in the world
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Personally I think its Cllr Winters who should resign/be given his P45 by whatever party he represents for making such an idiot of himself on the radio. Wether or not Clegg did say what this Cllr accused him of (and it appears the Cllr got the whole basis for his grievance wrong from the off) surely we WANT our politicians to be able to change their minds. We all change our minds on many things every day of our lives when we get new information or a situation changes so why do people think politicians should plow on regardless with whatever path they have set themselves on and not take into account changes?!?! Personally I think Labour are even worse now than they were when they were actually in power, they havent ever apologised for the mess that they made yet constantly attack the government who is trying to clear it up whilst all the while not having any policies to put forward themselves! The Lib Dems are on a loser if they do want to cosy up to them but that is their choice to make. But Cllr Winters, here is a clue for you as to why Cameron does not give Clegg a P45. Clegg DOESNT WORK FOR HIM. He is a leader of a seperate party who has formed a coalition with the Conservatives, that does not make him beholden to the Conservatives or Cameron and Clegg is perfectly entitled to voice opinions that do not match those of his partners. In fact i'm glad that he does, it shows that he is independant still and that there are checks and balances from both parties moderating what the government does. The only way Cameron could 'sack' Clegg anyway is to call for an election, no party wants that right now least of all Labour who are a total wash out. Cllr Winter reminds me of the type of husband who expects his wife to be totally subservient and wait on him and and foot, to be seen but not heard. Cllr Winter is a political cave man basically and people of Bushey please vote him out![/p][/quote]Contrary to the "Tory Story" repeated ad nauseum throughout the media, Labour's economic credentials are very strong. Despite Tory and Lib-Dem success in conning everyone with their repetitive Laurel and Hardy mantra: "Another fine mess you've left us in" Labour delivered unprecedented UK growth between 1997 and 2008. Despite Brown dropping a clanger in 2007 by abolishing the 10p tax rate, followed by the 2008 financial tsunami that hit our shores due to the earthquake of US sub-prime debt, the truth is that it was Brown and Obama who engineered fiscal stimulus. This transformed an imminent world depression into a much milder problem with Britain even enjoying fragile growth by the 2010 election. Yes, we had a deficit; two-thirds caused by the bankers and one-third from the government pump-priming the economy for growth and jobs. That was the price of avoiding a depression created by greedy Banksters which resulted in a steady return to growth 2009-2010 better than Osborne achieved since pro rata Garston Tony you need to get out more, stop regurgitating the propaganda and wake up to what's really going on in the world Arthur

3:05pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Hairy Hornet says...

The councillor just comes accross as an idiot who cannot be taken seriously. I dont blame Clegg for not fully engaging with him, his remarks about P45 s and sacking put him in the bracket of those who would benefit from a course in Politics/British Constitution at the local Adult Education Centre before they are able to articulate their political viewpoint with any credibility!
The councillor just comes accross as an idiot who cannot be taken seriously. I dont blame Clegg for not fully engaging with him, his remarks about P45 s and sacking put him in the bracket of those who would benefit from a course in Politics/British Constitution at the local Adult Education Centre before they are able to articulate their political viewpoint with any credibility! Hairy Hornet

4:12pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Oxhey Kev says...

I see that Leslie Winters is a Conservative Councillor, so therefore getting a few digs into the coalition partner is not at all surprising, especailly with an election not too far around the corner. I listened to LBC and thought you came across as a bit of a idiot. Good on you Mr Winters, youve made my mind up to vote UKIP this time around. Not that I agree with their policies, but more to do with Mr Farage being the sort of bloke you could sit down in the Pub with and have a drink with. Unlike Cameron, Clegg and Milliband, who I doubt would ever want to be seen in a Pub with us riff-raff.
I see that Leslie Winters is a Conservative Councillor, so therefore getting a few digs into the coalition partner is not at all surprising, especailly with an election not too far around the corner. I listened to LBC and thought you came across as a bit of a idiot. Good on you Mr Winters, youve made my mind up to vote UKIP this time around. Not that I agree with their policies, but more to do with Mr Farage being the sort of bloke you could sit down in the Pub with and have a drink with. Unlike Cameron, Clegg and Milliband, who I doubt would ever want to be seen in a Pub with us riff-raff. Oxhey Kev

4:49pm Fri 21 Feb 14

dontknowynot says...

Clegg is looking very silly, he has no influence over Labour, they are not his party, in 2015 IF Libdems are in a position to be in a coalition with Labour then the first thing they would have to do is have a leader Labour can trust, that rules out Clegg, Lawa, Alexander, and Hughes.
As for the Tory party telling the Libdems what to do nothing new there!!!
Clegg is looking very silly, he has no influence over Labour, they are not his party, in 2015 IF Libdems are in a position to be in a coalition with Labour then the first thing they would have to do is have a leader Labour can trust, that rules out Clegg, Lawa, Alexander, and Hughes. As for the Tory party telling the Libdems what to do nothing new there!!! dontknowynot

6:26pm Sat 22 Feb 14

cgpc Rob says...

What do you expect of Clegg, he's a politician and he likes the feeling of power, so will cosy up to whoever allows him and his party to be self indulgent, as it appears do most politicians!
What do you expect of Clegg, he's a politician and he likes the feeling of power, so will cosy up to whoever allows him and his party to be self indulgent, as it appears do most politicians! cgpc Rob

10:26am Mon 24 Feb 14

garston tony says...

Smilingburkinshaw wrote:
You can't call an election, its a fixed, five year term parliament.
But if Cameron 'sacked' Clegg then the coalition would fall apart. Its unlikely that anyone else would be able to form a majority government so it would in effect collapse leading to an early election
[quote][p][bold]Smilingburkinshaw[/bold] wrote: You can't call an election, its a fixed, five year term parliament.[/p][/quote]But if Cameron 'sacked' Clegg then the coalition would fall apart. Its unlikely that anyone else would be able to form a majority government so it would in effect collapse leading to an early election garston tony

10:30am Mon 24 Feb 14

garston tony says...

Arthur wrote:
garston tony wrote: Personally I think its Cllr Winters who should resign/be given his P45 by whatever party he represents for making such an idiot of himself on the radio. Wether or not Clegg did say what this Cllr accused him of (and it appears the Cllr got the whole basis for his grievance wrong from the off) surely we WANT our politicians to be able to change their minds. We all change our minds on many things every day of our lives when we get new information or a situation changes so why do people think politicians should plow on regardless with whatever path they have set themselves on and not take into account changes?!?! Personally I think Labour are even worse now than they were when they were actually in power, they havent ever apologised for the mess that they made yet constantly attack the government who is trying to clear it up whilst all the while not having any policies to put forward themselves! The Lib Dems are on a loser if they do want to cosy up to them but that is their choice to make. But Cllr Winters, here is a clue for you as to why Cameron does not give Clegg a P45. Clegg DOESNT WORK FOR HIM. He is a leader of a seperate party who has formed a coalition with the Conservatives, that does not make him beholden to the Conservatives or Cameron and Clegg is perfectly entitled to voice opinions that do not match those of his partners. In fact i'm glad that he does, it shows that he is independant still and that there are checks and balances from both parties moderating what the government does. The only way Cameron could 'sack' Clegg anyway is to call for an election, no party wants that right now least of all Labour who are a total wash out. Cllr Winter reminds me of the type of husband who expects his wife to be totally subservient and wait on him and and foot, to be seen but not heard. Cllr Winter is a political cave man basically and people of Bushey please vote him out!
Contrary to the "Tory Story" repeated ad nauseum throughout the media, Labour's economic credentials are very strong. Despite Tory and Lib-Dem success in conning everyone with their repetitive Laurel and Hardy mantra: "Another fine mess you've left us in" Labour delivered unprecedented UK growth between 1997 and 2008. Despite Brown dropping a clanger in 2007 by abolishing the 10p tax rate, followed by the 2008 financial tsunami that hit our shores due to the earthquake of US sub-prime debt, the truth is that it was Brown and Obama who engineered fiscal stimulus. This transformed an imminent world depression into a much milder problem with Britain even enjoying fragile growth by the 2010 election. Yes, we had a deficit; two-thirds caused by the bankers and one-third from the government pump-priming the economy for growth and jobs. That was the price of avoiding a depression created by greedy Banksters which resulted in a steady return to growth 2009-2010 better than Osborne achieved since pro rata Garston Tony you need to get out more, stop regurgitating the propaganda and wake up to what's really going on in the world
You are having a laugh!

It was Brown relaxing the banking rules in this country that allowed the banks to get into such horendous trouble in the first place. If he hadnt they wouldnt and we would be in a much healthier position when the downturn did happen.

Also it was Labour that ramped up public spending and (despite booming economic times) therefore also the national debt again leaving the country in a financial crisis when the economic downturn happened.

I get out plenty Arthur, you however seem stuck in cloud cuckoo land wearing rose tinted glasses
[quote][p][bold]Arthur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Personally I think its Cllr Winters who should resign/be given his P45 by whatever party he represents for making such an idiot of himself on the radio. Wether or not Clegg did say what this Cllr accused him of (and it appears the Cllr got the whole basis for his grievance wrong from the off) surely we WANT our politicians to be able to change their minds. We all change our minds on many things every day of our lives when we get new information or a situation changes so why do people think politicians should plow on regardless with whatever path they have set themselves on and not take into account changes?!?! Personally I think Labour are even worse now than they were when they were actually in power, they havent ever apologised for the mess that they made yet constantly attack the government who is trying to clear it up whilst all the while not having any policies to put forward themselves! The Lib Dems are on a loser if they do want to cosy up to them but that is their choice to make. But Cllr Winters, here is a clue for you as to why Cameron does not give Clegg a P45. Clegg DOESNT WORK FOR HIM. He is a leader of a seperate party who has formed a coalition with the Conservatives, that does not make him beholden to the Conservatives or Cameron and Clegg is perfectly entitled to voice opinions that do not match those of his partners. In fact i'm glad that he does, it shows that he is independant still and that there are checks and balances from both parties moderating what the government does. The only way Cameron could 'sack' Clegg anyway is to call for an election, no party wants that right now least of all Labour who are a total wash out. Cllr Winter reminds me of the type of husband who expects his wife to be totally subservient and wait on him and and foot, to be seen but not heard. Cllr Winter is a political cave man basically and people of Bushey please vote him out![/p][/quote]Contrary to the "Tory Story" repeated ad nauseum throughout the media, Labour's economic credentials are very strong. Despite Tory and Lib-Dem success in conning everyone with their repetitive Laurel and Hardy mantra: "Another fine mess you've left us in" Labour delivered unprecedented UK growth between 1997 and 2008. Despite Brown dropping a clanger in 2007 by abolishing the 10p tax rate, followed by the 2008 financial tsunami that hit our shores due to the earthquake of US sub-prime debt, the truth is that it was Brown and Obama who engineered fiscal stimulus. This transformed an imminent world depression into a much milder problem with Britain even enjoying fragile growth by the 2010 election. Yes, we had a deficit; two-thirds caused by the bankers and one-third from the government pump-priming the economy for growth and jobs. That was the price of avoiding a depression created by greedy Banksters which resulted in a steady return to growth 2009-2010 better than Osborne achieved since pro rata Garston Tony you need to get out more, stop regurgitating the propaganda and wake up to what's really going on in the world[/p][/quote]You are having a laugh! It was Brown relaxing the banking rules in this country that allowed the banks to get into such horendous trouble in the first place. If he hadnt they wouldnt and we would be in a much healthier position when the downturn did happen. Also it was Labour that ramped up public spending and (despite booming economic times) therefore also the national debt again leaving the country in a financial crisis when the economic downturn happened. I get out plenty Arthur, you however seem stuck in cloud cuckoo land wearing rose tinted glasses garston tony

11:41am Mon 24 Feb 14

Smilingburkinshaw says...

garston tony wrote:
Smilingburkinshaw wrote: You can't call an election, its a fixed, five year term parliament.
But if Cameron 'sacked' Clegg then the coalition would fall apart. Its unlikely that anyone else would be able to form a majority government so it would in effect collapse leading to an early election
No, I don't think that's what would happen. The Tories would have to go it alone. They would be a bit of a lame duck government but I don't think you can call early elections anymore.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smilingburkinshaw[/bold] wrote: You can't call an election, its a fixed, five year term parliament.[/p][/quote]But if Cameron 'sacked' Clegg then the coalition would fall apart. Its unlikely that anyone else would be able to form a majority government so it would in effect collapse leading to an early election[/p][/quote]No, I don't think that's what would happen. The Tories would have to go it alone. They would be a bit of a lame duck government but I don't think you can call early elections anymore. Smilingburkinshaw

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