Croxley Rail Link will create 'visible boundary' between Three Rivers and Watford

Croxley Rail Link will create 'visible boundary' between Three Rivers and Watford

Croxley Rail Link will create 'visible boundary' between Three Rivers and Watford

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Conditions for the "controversial" Croxley Rail Link, which will create a "visible boundary" between Three Rivers and Watford were discussed at a council meeting last night.

Politicians and residents packed into Three Rivers House to receive an update on the rail link, which looks to connect Croxley station to Watford Junction, via two new stations and Watford High Street.

As permission for the Croxley Rail Link has already been granted by the government, under the Transport and Works Act Order, the district council cannot refuse planning permission, but has been charged with the task of approving certain conditions.

While there are a total of 18 conditions, the main aspects that Three Rivers will consider relate to the viaduct, which will connect Croxley station with a new station in Ascot Road, which will be called Cassiobridge.

The next phase of the line, which will run from the new Watford Vicarage Road Station, to Watford High Street Station before terminating at Watford Junction, will be discussed by the neighbouring borough councillors.

Watford Observer:

Croxley Rail Link will connect Croxley station and Watford Junction on the Metropolitan Line

The viaduct is designed to go over the roundabout with Rickmansworth Road and Watford Road. It will also travel over the children’s play area in Baldwins Lane.

The conditions that Three Rivers will be looking at are landscaping, highways access and the design.

If the council does not approve the conditions, then the applicant would be required to submit new plans and designs.

Councillor Phil Brading, deputy leader of the Liberal Democrat-run council, chaired the local area forum last night.

The representative for Croxley Green South said that "it’s not a graceful design", but made the point that the applicants had to build it within budget.

Watford Observer:

He added that "fitting out the viaduct" would take about 12 to 18 months. Yet the council were unsure whether construction of the viaduct containers would take place on-site, or whether they would be built and positioned in place at a later date.

Work is due to begin on the Croxley Rail Link in September, and is scheduled to be completed in 2017.

Hertfordshire County Council is the lead promoter of the project and is being supported by Transport for London (TfL) and Network Rail, who owns the former railway land.

Watford Observer:

The viaduct is designed to go over Watford Road roundabout

Croxley Green Parish Councillor Wendy Jordan, who is chair of the planning and development committee, said: "The viaduct is the biggest thing to happen to Croxley since the railway. It’s quite controversial and some people don’t think it’s the right thing to happen to Croxley.

"I know how critical it’s going to be to the people of Watford, but it’s going to be the Croxley Rail Link."

Councillor Jordan said that the link will benefit the Watford and Croxley business parks, which also need to be developed.

She added: "My view is that the viaduct is actually a jolly nice boundary saying ‘this is Croxley and this is Watford."

Three Rivers officer, Peter Simons, is working on the council’s project team, which is headed up by Hertfordshire County Council.

Mr Simons said that Three Rivers would see "the most significant impact", particularly with road closures.

Watford Observer:

Viaduct to go over Baldwins Lane play area

He added: "There is going to be a period of time when Baldwins Lane will be closed but they (the applicants) won’t close the whole road, they will close one lane at a time and funnel traffic around."

The district council has to make a decision on whether or not to approve the conditions by March 17.

As a result, the application will not be going to Three Rivers’ planning committee, but will be discussed at the sustainable environment policy and scrutiny committee next Tuesday (March 11).

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3:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Green Gal says...

We are getting rid of Greenbelt now and using big concrete viaducts to create boundries between towns. Lovely!
We are getting rid of Greenbelt now and using big concrete viaducts to create boundries between towns. Lovely! Green Gal
  • Score: -12

3:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Mad_Hat says...

Welcome to Croxley Grey.
Welcome to Croxley Grey. Mad_Hat
  • Score: 5

4:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

HornetJJ says...

They could always paint the bridges green!
They could always paint the bridges green! HornetJJ
  • Score: 14

5:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

andyhooked says...

Croxley Green Parish Councillor Wendy Jordan, who is chair of the planning and development committee, said: "The viaduct is the biggest thing to happen to Croxley since the railway. It’s quite controversial and some people don’t think it’s the right thing to happen to Croxley.

The biggest things since the railway? Has Councillor Jordan been misquoted and out of context? WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH! Seems to me that NIBMYs are running the show again. Too scared of potential voters so they oppose. The time-line continues to slip for this vital and essential development. What about the build of the M25 years ago? No person complains now about how essential it is to our economy and keeping traffic away from the A roads in or around Watford and the wider Herts area. The M25 bridges seem a bit grey to me. Get on with the works for the new rail link for heavens sake.
Croxley Green Parish Councillor Wendy Jordan, who is chair of the planning and development committee, said: "The viaduct is the biggest thing to happen to Croxley since the railway. It’s quite controversial and some people don’t think it’s the right thing to happen to Croxley. The biggest things since the railway? Has Councillor Jordan been misquoted and out of context? WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH! Seems to me that NIBMYs are running the show again. Too scared of potential voters so they oppose. The time-line continues to slip for this vital and essential development. What about the build of the M25 years ago? No person complains now about how essential it is to our economy and keeping traffic away from the A roads in or around Watford and the wider Herts area. The M25 bridges seem a bit grey to me. Get on with the works for the new rail link for heavens sake. andyhooked
  • Score: 24

6:37pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Retlas says...

Why is it controversial? The majority of people that I know and yes I do live in Croxley Green, are in favour of the link.

It will be an alternative route to Watford and I will use it!

Win win.
Why is it controversial? The majority of people that I know and yes I do live in Croxley Green, are in favour of the link. It will be an alternative route to Watford and I will use it! Win win. Retlas
  • Score: 34

10:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Andrew1963 says...

I know this is a bit left field, but all that flat land on the Croxley business park, would be a good place to build a new hospital or even a new football stadium. The new met line station makes it more accessible than the current location of both, and you could easily get a road to link up to the old Tolpits Lane back door entrance.
I know this is a bit left field, but all that flat land on the Croxley business park, would be a good place to build a new hospital or even a new football stadium. The new met line station makes it more accessible than the current location of both, and you could easily get a road to link up to the old Tolpits Lane back door entrance. Andrew1963
  • Score: 2

10:16pm Tue 4 Mar 14

PedroHornet says...

I think Kathryn (reporter) got the matter of road closure a bit wrong. I was at the meeting last night and, as I recall, it was stated that the dual carriageway over the canal will be partially closed at times and the traffic will be funnelled through one lane at a time. However during the construction of the section over Baldwins Lane, the road would be completely closed at that location and there will be times when the work would need to be carried out at night. There was a sarcastic comment made by someone at the meeting that "this would please the residents nearby".
I think Kathryn (reporter) got the matter of road closure a bit wrong. I was at the meeting last night and, as I recall, it was stated that the dual carriageway over the canal will be partially closed at times and the traffic will be funnelled through one lane at a time. However during the construction of the section over Baldwins Lane, the road would be completely closed at that location and there will be times when the work would need to be carried out at night. There was a sarcastic comment made by someone at the meeting that "this would please the residents nearby". PedroHornet
  • Score: 5

7:14am Wed 5 Mar 14

cgpc Rob says...

No one knows if the residents back the scheme as no survey has ever been held, asking their opinion, it might be yes/no. Cllr Jordan doesn't speak for all parish cllrs.

As it appear to be a done job, one question is how many environmental features for insects/birds/bats etc could be added, sparrow boxes for example.
No one knows if the residents back the scheme as no survey has ever been held, asking their opinion, it might be yes/no. Cllr Jordan doesn't speak for all parish cllrs. As it appear to be a done job, one question is how many environmental features for insects/birds/bats etc could be added, sparrow boxes for example. cgpc Rob
  • Score: -7

8:24am Wed 5 Mar 14

martin grant says...

Cllr Jordon welcome to the Lib/Dems. Don`t you realise this rail link has been on the drawing board for several years. Where were you then?

This is going to be built whether or not you and your councillors like it or not.

Shouldn`t you be more worried about losing `green belt` status than worrying about the link, which is now of and running.

Typical Lib/Dems shut the door after the horses have bolted.
Cllr Jordon welcome to the Lib/Dems. Don`t you realise this rail link has been on the drawing board for several years. Where were you then? This is going to be built whether or not you and your councillors like it or not. Shouldn`t you be more worried about losing `green belt` status than worrying about the link, which is now of and running. Typical Lib/Dems shut the door after the horses have bolted. martin grant
  • Score: 9

8:28am Wed 5 Mar 14

martin grant says...

Retlas wrote:
Why is it controversial? The majority of people that I know and yes I do live in Croxley Green, are in favour of the link.

It will be an alternative route to Watford and I will use it!

Win win.
You`re spot on. What planet is Cllr. Jordan on?
[quote][p][bold]Retlas[/bold] wrote: Why is it controversial? The majority of people that I know and yes I do live in Croxley Green, are in favour of the link. It will be an alternative route to Watford and I will use it! Win win.[/p][/quote]You`re spot on. What planet is Cllr. Jordan on? martin grant
  • Score: 11

9:06am Wed 5 Mar 14

S/O man says...

Where's the UKIP side of the story? have our prayers been answered and Mr Cox has finally realised that nobody is interested in his side of this story.
Where's the UKIP side of the story? have our prayers been answered and Mr Cox has finally realised that nobody is interested in his side of this story. S/O man
  • Score: 11

9:16am Wed 5 Mar 14

cgpc Rob says...

The Green Belt Status has been removed, if TRDC appeal they could lose even more land, will the owner of Killigdon Farm object?
The Green Belt Status has been removed, if TRDC appeal they could lose even more land, will the owner of Killigdon Farm object? cgpc Rob
  • Score: 0

11:53am Wed 5 Mar 14

John Dowdle says...

Personally, I find the proposed bridge completely hideous in appearance.
There is also, I believe, a big question mark over its safety.
What might happen, for example, if a large lorry or truck lost control and ran into one of the support columns when a train was passing above?
This could be a massive tragedy just waiting to happen.
Right now, based on the few details available, the proposed Vicarage Road station appears to be literally in the middle of nowhere.
Even if the proposed 700 flats do get built on the West Watford Flood Plain (and how might that affect flooding issues for the line?) the proposed station still does not appear to be all that close to where people live.
These two proposals - the proposed West Watford housing estate on a flood plain and the proposed Croxley Link - are being considered in isolation but clearly they have a potential impact when combined that no one individual and no one council appears to be taking on board.
Is this not a case of an absence of "joined-up" thinking?
Personally, I find the proposed bridge completely hideous in appearance. There is also, I believe, a big question mark over its safety. What might happen, for example, if a large lorry or truck lost control and ran into one of the support columns when a train was passing above? This could be a massive tragedy just waiting to happen. Right now, based on the few details available, the proposed Vicarage Road station appears to be literally in the middle of nowhere. Even if the proposed 700 flats do get built on the West Watford Flood Plain (and how might that affect flooding issues for the line?) the proposed station still does not appear to be all that close to where people live. These two proposals - the proposed West Watford housing estate on a flood plain and the proposed Croxley Link - are being considered in isolation but clearly they have a potential impact when combined that no one individual and no one council appears to be taking on board. Is this not a case of an absence of "joined-up" thinking? John Dowdle
  • Score: -19

12:30pm Wed 5 Mar 14

peter10531089 says...

This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares.
This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares. peter10531089
  • Score: -3

12:35pm Wed 5 Mar 14

TRT says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Personally, I find the proposed bridge completely hideous in appearance.
There is also, I believe, a big question mark over its safety.
What might happen, for example, if a large lorry or truck lost control and ran into one of the support columns when a train was passing above?
This could be a massive tragedy just waiting to happen.
Right now, based on the few details available, the proposed Vicarage Road station appears to be literally in the middle of nowhere.
Even if the proposed 700 flats do get built on the West Watford Flood Plain (and how might that affect flooding issues for the line?) the proposed station still does not appear to be all that close to where people live.
These two proposals - the proposed West Watford housing estate on a flood plain and the proposed Croxley Link - are being considered in isolation but clearly they have a potential impact when combined that no one individual and no one council appears to be taking on board.
Is this not a case of an absence of "joined-up" thinking?
I've read the CRL documentation, that which is available. Their figures for pluvial run off are pretty good, and they've really gone to town on the station design to incorporate soak aways, buffer tanks, green roofs etc. Given the location of Vicarage Road station, they are concerned that the run off from the station buildings may flow down the bridge and into the power substation and/or school and/or the rest of the line and/or the lower reaches of the estate which already has a problem with sewage back-flowing from the drains.

It's been taken into account.

As for fluvial flooding, there is a risk at Cassiobridge, but not at the area around Cardiff Road, though, again, pluvial flooding may be a concern if the status quo changes regarding the amount of soakaway above the line of the track. The proposed roadway would have to flyover the rail line, so there's little chance of them raising the trackbed significantly to account for that.

The location of the stations is determined by the distance to the next stop, and it was considered that a stop at Cardiff Road was too close to Watford High Street (though I reckon I've seen closer stops on the network). West Watford station would have made sense, but there are physical limitations to the space available there without buying up land at the old Scammell works which would have put the cost up. Personally I would have preferred Cardiff Road and West Watford as stops; it just makes more sense. The regulations regarding track gradients at stations has changed, too, since the original line was laid down.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: Personally, I find the proposed bridge completely hideous in appearance. There is also, I believe, a big question mark over its safety. What might happen, for example, if a large lorry or truck lost control and ran into one of the support columns when a train was passing above? This could be a massive tragedy just waiting to happen. Right now, based on the few details available, the proposed Vicarage Road station appears to be literally in the middle of nowhere. Even if the proposed 700 flats do get built on the West Watford Flood Plain (and how might that affect flooding issues for the line?) the proposed station still does not appear to be all that close to where people live. These two proposals - the proposed West Watford housing estate on a flood plain and the proposed Croxley Link - are being considered in isolation but clearly they have a potential impact when combined that no one individual and no one council appears to be taking on board. Is this not a case of an absence of "joined-up" thinking?[/p][/quote]I've read the CRL documentation, that which is available. Their figures for pluvial run off are pretty good, and they've really gone to town on the station design to incorporate soak aways, buffer tanks, green roofs etc. Given the location of Vicarage Road station, they are concerned that the run off from the station buildings may flow down the bridge and into the power substation and/or school and/or the rest of the line and/or the lower reaches of the estate which already has a problem with sewage back-flowing from the drains. It's been taken into account. As for fluvial flooding, there is a risk at Cassiobridge, but not at the area around Cardiff Road, though, again, pluvial flooding may be a concern if the status quo changes regarding the amount of soakaway above the line of the track. The proposed roadway would have to flyover the rail line, so there's little chance of them raising the trackbed significantly to account for that. The location of the stations is determined by the distance to the next stop, and it was considered that a stop at Cardiff Road was too close to Watford High Street (though I reckon I've seen closer stops on the network). West Watford station would have made sense, but there are physical limitations to the space available there without buying up land at the old Scammell works which would have put the cost up. Personally I would have preferred Cardiff Road and West Watford as stops; it just makes more sense. The regulations regarding track gradients at stations has changed, too, since the original line was laid down. TRT
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Wed 5 Mar 14

TRT says...

peter10531089 wrote:
This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares.
They should get the current fare from Zone 8 to Watford Junction, which is £1.50 or £1.60 depending on peaks and using Oyster. Same mechanism as applies to High Street to the Junction on Overground currently. But don't expect Watford Junction to join e.g. Zone 9 any time soon. Currently an under 16 can ride off peak round the system for just £1.50 maximum fare anywhere, provided they get on at High Street. If they go through the Junction, that rises to an eye-watering £8.20.
[quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares.[/p][/quote]They should get the current fare from Zone 8 to Watford Junction, which is £1.50 or £1.60 depending on peaks and using Oyster. Same mechanism as applies to High Street to the Junction on Overground currently. But don't expect Watford Junction to join e.g. Zone 9 any time soon. Currently an under 16 can ride off peak round the system for just £1.50 maximum fare anywhere, provided they get on at High Street. If they go through the Junction, that rises to an eye-watering £8.20. TRT
  • Score: 5

1:10pm Wed 5 Mar 14

John Dowdle says...

TRT wrote:
peter10531089 wrote:
This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares.
They should get the current fare from Zone 8 to Watford Junction, which is £1.50 or £1.60 depending on peaks and using Oyster. Same mechanism as applies to High Street to the Junction on Overground currently. But don't expect Watford Junction to join e.g. Zone 9 any time soon. Currently an under 16 can ride off peak round the system for just £1.50 maximum fare anywhere, provided they get on at High Street. If they go through the Junction, that rises to an eye-watering £8.20.
But - presumably - catching a train at the High Street means you can only travel to Euston on the slow train, whereas catching a train at Watford Junction means that you can catch the fast train?
Of course, it may be possible to get off the slow train at Bushey or Harrow & Wealdstone and then get the next fast train but this is clearly a hassle and may not end up being any quicker than just staying on the slow train.
Is that right?
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares.[/p][/quote]They should get the current fare from Zone 8 to Watford Junction, which is £1.50 or £1.60 depending on peaks and using Oyster. Same mechanism as applies to High Street to the Junction on Overground currently. But don't expect Watford Junction to join e.g. Zone 9 any time soon. Currently an under 16 can ride off peak round the system for just £1.50 maximum fare anywhere, provided they get on at High Street. If they go through the Junction, that rises to an eye-watering £8.20.[/p][/quote]But - presumably - catching a train at the High Street means you can only travel to Euston on the slow train, whereas catching a train at Watford Junction means that you can catch the fast train? Of course, it may be possible to get off the slow train at Bushey or Harrow & Wealdstone and then get the next fast train but this is clearly a hassle and may not end up being any quicker than just staying on the slow train. Is that right? John Dowdle
  • Score: -1

10:18pm Wed 5 Mar 14

cgpc Rob says...

Councillor Jordan: "My view is that the viaduct is actually a jolly nice boundary saying ‘this is Croxley and this is Watford."states,

Does Cllr Jordan want a stockade around Croxley Green to keep it apart from Rickmansworth/Sarrat
t etc because it makes a joly nice boundary!
Councillor Jordan: "My view is that the viaduct is actually a jolly nice boundary saying ‘this is Croxley and this is Watford."states, Does Cllr Jordan want a stockade around Croxley Green to keep it apart from Rickmansworth/Sarrat t etc because it makes a joly nice boundary! cgpc Rob
  • Score: 1

11:03pm Wed 5 Mar 14

TRT says...

John Dowdle wrote:
TRT wrote:
peter10531089 wrote:
This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares.
They should get the current fare from Zone 8 to Watford Junction, which is £1.50 or £1.60 depending on peaks and using Oyster. Same mechanism as applies to High Street to the Junction on Overground currently. But don't expect Watford Junction to join e.g. Zone 9 any time soon. Currently an under 16 can ride off peak round the system for just £1.50 maximum fare anywhere, provided they get on at High Street. If they go through the Junction, that rises to an eye-watering £8.20.
But - presumably - catching a train at the High Street means you can only travel to Euston on the slow train, whereas catching a train at Watford Junction means that you can catch the fast train?
Of course, it may be possible to get off the slow train at Bushey or Harrow & Wealdstone and then get the next fast train but this is clearly a hassle and may not end up being any quicker than just staying on the slow train.
Is that right?
People do double back through Watford Junction onto the London Midland service, though they wouldn't have a valid ticket for that journey.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peter10531089[/bold] wrote: This has indeed been mooted for over two decades now - I am surpirsed that in that time nothing more aesthetically pleasing however I would like to know that as the Government and London Underground seem hell bent on disturbing Croxley Green and Watford will our pensioners receive a freedom pass from now on (I understand that our pensioner do not currently enjoy free London Underground travel as they do in Middlesex)? Also I notice special fare applies to Watford Junction - how will that impact on local people using the service to connect with National Rail Services in terms of fares.[/p][/quote]They should get the current fare from Zone 8 to Watford Junction, which is £1.50 or £1.60 depending on peaks and using Oyster. Same mechanism as applies to High Street to the Junction on Overground currently. But don't expect Watford Junction to join e.g. Zone 9 any time soon. Currently an under 16 can ride off peak round the system for just £1.50 maximum fare anywhere, provided they get on at High Street. If they go through the Junction, that rises to an eye-watering £8.20.[/p][/quote]But - presumably - catching a train at the High Street means you can only travel to Euston on the slow train, whereas catching a train at Watford Junction means that you can catch the fast train? Of course, it may be possible to get off the slow train at Bushey or Harrow & Wealdstone and then get the next fast train but this is clearly a hassle and may not end up being any quicker than just staying on the slow train. Is that right?[/p][/quote]People do double back through Watford Junction onto the London Midland service, though they wouldn't have a valid ticket for that journey. TRT
  • Score: 2

1:45pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Nascot says...

Where is Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral Candidate for Watford when you need to know whre his party stands on this LOCAL issue. To busy with his delusions of how if he was elected it would influence national/internation
al affairs I expect.
Where is Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral Candidate for Watford when you need to know whre his party stands on this LOCAL issue. To busy with his delusions of how if he was elected it would influence national/internation al affairs I expect. Nascot
  • Score: 2

4:10pm Fri 7 Mar 14

andyhooked says...

Yuk!! Putting UKIP into this discussion is about as mad as saying UKIP is not a one-trick pony about Europe. Cllr Jordan should be in the Green Party as they oppose everything. As for people including pensioners being able to get to the town centre at Watford from Croxley and not using the new rail link then I suspect they drive anyway. This new rail link must be the best thing for promotting Watford shopping centre and jobs as well as the proposed development of the now defunct industrial estate close to the hospital and WFC. More jobs and more benefit to the local economy. West Watford is an absolute run down area. Cllr Jordan should either resign or set up her own cottage industry in Cumbria where there are few raods and even fewer trains.
Yuk!! Putting UKIP into this discussion is about as mad as saying UKIP is not a one-trick pony about Europe. Cllr Jordan should be in the Green Party as they oppose everything. As for people including pensioners being able to get to the town centre at Watford from Croxley and not using the new rail link then I suspect they drive anyway. This new rail link must be the best thing for promotting Watford shopping centre and jobs as well as the proposed development of the now defunct industrial estate close to the hospital and WFC. More jobs and more benefit to the local economy. West Watford is an absolute run down area. Cllr Jordan should either resign or set up her own cottage industry in Cumbria where there are few raods and even fewer trains. andyhooked
  • Score: 2

7:02pm Fri 7 Mar 14

martin grant says...

Poor Parish Cllr. Jordan has done herself no favour. What a mess she has got herself into. But then she is a Lib/Dem what else can you expect. She is now under control of Ann Shaw, whom no existing Lib/Dem councillor dare confront. Cllr Brian White has said `she who must be obeyed` Have the Lib/Dems no spine bone? They have cost the residents of TRDC a fortune, especially the farce of William Penn and South Oxhey.
Poor Parish Cllr. Jordan has done herself no favour. What a mess she has got herself into. But then she is a Lib/Dem what else can you expect. She is now under control of Ann Shaw, whom no existing Lib/Dem councillor dare confront. Cllr Brian White has said `she who must be obeyed` Have the Lib/Dems no spine bone? They have cost the residents of TRDC a fortune, especially the farce of William Penn and South Oxhey. martin grant
  • Score: 2

4:58pm Sat 8 Mar 14

cgpc Rob says...

Not just at TRDC, there are 5 Lib/dems on CGPC, not one of them has ever requested prices on contracts in fact when there were four when CGPC decided to take over the Greens contract which could be done by TRDC for £1600pa, but CGPC charge residents £16000pa for the same. 90% more!!!

Too much influence maybe!
Not just at TRDC, there are 5 Lib/dems on CGPC, not one of them has ever requested prices on contracts in fact when there were four when CGPC decided to take over the Greens contract which could be done by TRDC for £1600pa, but CGPC charge residents £16000pa for the same. 90% more!!! Too much influence maybe! cgpc Rob
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5:33pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Retlas says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Not just at TRDC, there are 5 Lib/dems on CGPC, not one of them has ever requested prices on contracts in fact when there were four when CGPC decided to take over the Greens contract which could be done by TRDC for £1600pa, but CGPC charge residents £16000pa for the same. 90% more!!!

Too much influence maybe!
Mr Ridley
I'm sure your figures are correct, otherwise you may be legally challenged.....but what has cutting the grass on the Green got to do with the rail link.
Please enlighten me!
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Not just at TRDC, there are 5 Lib/dems on CGPC, not one of them has ever requested prices on contracts in fact when there were four when CGPC decided to take over the Greens contract which could be done by TRDC for £1600pa, but CGPC charge residents £16000pa for the same. 90% more!!! Too much influence maybe![/p][/quote]Mr Ridley I'm sure your figures are correct, otherwise you may be legally challenged.....but what has cutting the grass on the Green got to do with the rail link. Please enlighten me! Retlas
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6:10pm Sat 8 Mar 14

cgpc Rob says...

martin grant wrote:
Poor Parish Cllr. Jordan has done herself no favour. What a mess she has got herself into. But then she is a Lib/Dem what else can you expect. She is now under control of Ann Shaw, whom no existing Lib/Dem councillor dare confront. Cllr Brian White has said `she who must be obeyed` Have the Lib/Dems no spine bone? They have cost the residents of TRDC a fortune, especially the farce of William Penn and South Oxhey.
The above mentions costs to residents of TRDC, CGPC is in the TRDC area, hope that answers your question.
[quote][p][bold]martin grant[/bold] wrote: Poor Parish Cllr. Jordan has done herself no favour. What a mess she has got herself into. But then she is a Lib/Dem what else can you expect. She is now under control of Ann Shaw, whom no existing Lib/Dem councillor dare confront. Cllr Brian White has said `she who must be obeyed` Have the Lib/Dems no spine bone? They have cost the residents of TRDC a fortune, especially the farce of William Penn and South Oxhey.[/p][/quote]The above mentions costs to residents of TRDC, CGPC is in the TRDC area, hope that answers your question. cgpc Rob
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12:38am Sun 9 Mar 14

Retlas says...

No — it doesn't address my question about the rail link.
Cutting grass and leisure centre funding is totally divorced from Central Government, HCC and TFL who seem to be the main players in this project.
Please explain why you are bringing other issues to this thread?
Thank you.
No — it doesn't address my question about the rail link. Cutting grass and leisure centre funding is totally divorced from Central Government, HCC and TFL who seem to be the main players in this project. Please explain why you are bringing other issues to this thread? Thank you. Retlas
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9:00am Sun 9 Mar 14

cgpc Rob says...

martin grant wrote:
Poor Parish Cllr. Jordan has done herself no favour. What a mess she has got herself into. But then she is a Lib/Dem what else can you expect. She is now under control of Ann Shaw, whom no existing Lib/Dem councillor dare confront. Cllr Brian White has said `she who must be obeyed` Have the Lib/Dems no spine bone? They have cost the residents of TRDC a fortune, especially the farce of William Penn and South Oxhey.
I again refer to the above comment about lib/dem cllrs/representative
s on councils possibly costing residents money.
[quote][p][bold]martin grant[/bold] wrote: Poor Parish Cllr. Jordan has done herself no favour. What a mess she has got herself into. But then she is a Lib/Dem what else can you expect. She is now under control of Ann Shaw, whom no existing Lib/Dem councillor dare confront. Cllr Brian White has said `she who must be obeyed` Have the Lib/Dems no spine bone? They have cost the residents of TRDC a fortune, especially the farce of William Penn and South Oxhey.[/p][/quote]I again refer to the above comment about lib/dem cllrs/representative s on councils possibly costing residents money. cgpc Rob
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8:21pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Retlas says...

cgcp Rob

You are a typical politician, not answeing a direct question and the answer that you reply with is a quote from someone else.
Why will you not answer a straightforward question? I suspect that you have no idea about the rail link and bring a discussion back to your pet subject of CGPC of which you seem to object to most strongly.
I again ask what has your input got to do with the rail link??
........and please don't quote Martin Grant again if you have nothing of your own to add!!
cgcp Rob You are a typical politician, not answeing a direct question and the answer that you reply with is a quote from someone else. Why will you not answer a straightforward question? I suspect that you have no idea about the rail link and bring a discussion back to your pet subject of CGPC of which you seem to object to most strongly. I again ask what has your input got to do with the rail link?? ........and please don't quote Martin Grant again if you have nothing of your own to add!! Retlas
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6:56pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Keefer says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
I know this is a bit left field, but all that flat land on the Croxley business park, would be a good place to build a new hospital or even a new football stadium. The new met line station makes it more accessible than the current location of both, and you could easily get a road to link up to the old Tolpits Lane back door entrance.
A new Stadium &\or Hospital down the bottom of Whippendell\Rickmans
worth Rd, with Tolpits Lane as a "back door entrance" you say? Do you think the traffic will materialise on one of these roads out of thin air too? I don't think you have any idea how far the football fans are willing to walk to the Vicarage Rd Stadium - less than a mile in most cases & they drive from all over Herts, Beds & Bucks to support the Hornets. Croxley Green would become a car park on match days! I know this because I live within a mile of the current Stadium & wouldn't wish my access situation on anyone else.

I don't think you've thought this through Andrew! So let's get back to the centre field & leave this matter alone shall we.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: I know this is a bit left field, but all that flat land on the Croxley business park, would be a good place to build a new hospital or even a new football stadium. The new met line station makes it more accessible than the current location of both, and you could easily get a road to link up to the old Tolpits Lane back door entrance.[/p][/quote]A new Stadium &\or Hospital down the bottom of Whippendell\Rickmans worth Rd, with Tolpits Lane as a "back door entrance" you say? Do you think the traffic will materialise on one of these roads out of thin air too? I don't think you have any idea how far the football fans are willing to walk to the Vicarage Rd Stadium - less than a mile in most cases & they drive from all over Herts, Beds & Bucks to support the Hornets. Croxley Green would become a car park on match days! I know this because I live within a mile of the current Stadium & wouldn't wish my access situation on anyone else. I don't think you've thought this through Andrew! So let's get back to the centre field & leave this matter alone shall we. Keefer
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