Watford Market traders: 'conned from day one'

Watford Market traders: 'conned from day one'

Watford Market traders: 'conned from day one'

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

Market traders from Watford are not all being offered stalls when the market relocates, in a move that has been described as "ripping the heart out of Watford".

Council planners signed-off plans last year to move the market to the car park of the TJ Hughes building off High Street in September. Along with moving outdoors, the market will run five days a week rather than three.

The new market will have space for around 40 permanent stalls and will be managed by Town and Country Markets.

The move has not gone down well with market traders, some of whom want to move but haven’t been given stalls.

Margaret Beresford has owned ‘Little Knits’ for seven years. The stall sells handmade children’s toys and clothing.

She said she would not be moving, and descried the move was "ripping the heart out of Watford".

The 69-year-old said: "The council is putting pounds before people, and a lot of us will be out of work.

"It is not suitable for us to move as all our stock would most likely be damp, and moving from three days to five is ridiculous.

"It’s depressing. Some of those that do want to go haven’t even been given a place. It really gets my back up.

"The money should be spent on doing this market up. Most of us cannot afford shops so we will be out of work.

"It has depressed a lot of people. You don’t want your life planned for you do you?

"We have been conned from day one. The new market will not be a market, it will be an arcade. The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want."

Watford Observer:

An indication of how the new market will look

Butcher Kathy Newton is not taking her business to the new market because of "a lack of space" there.

The 52-year-old said: "The room we have been offered is not adequate for us to work to our high standards. It is not feasible for is to make the move.

"It is a great shame. We have been here a year now and have a great set of regulars.

"Having stalls are great because people can just move on if they want. It is completely different to owning a shop.

"We are like family here, we all know each other, and it will be terribly sad to have to all split up.

"Our regulars are mortified, and have offered to help us find somewhere else."

While some traders are opposed to the move, there are others who want to move but have not been given a place yet.

Tony Pieri owns Tony’s Hairdressers, and said that because he is providing a service rather than selling products he has been refused a market stall.

The 53-year-old said: "This is my livelihood. I have been here for 15 months and have built up a great clientelle.

"I can’t afford to be in a shop. I had to build this from scratch but have been told at the moment there is not enough room for me.

"I welcome the move, I think the new market will be modern, cleaner and have more passing trade. I am all for it, I believe it will work. I think it’s a great day to have it open for five days a week, I want to be working."

Peter Nelson, Watford Borough Council spokesman, said: "The council is creating an iconic, modern market that will look and feel different to the existing market. The current market costs tax payers a lot of money, it’s been losing business and the Charter Place building it is housed in is uneconomical to maintain.

"The new market will be smaller than the existing one, and there will inevitably be disappointments, particularly when a large number of the traders applied for units. This was made clear to all traders from the start.

"The selection process for units in the new market is ongoing and is being carried out by Town & Country Markets, the proposed operator of the new market.

"No indication was given to any trader of possible success or refusal prior to the applications being considered and traders notified formally."

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4:31pm Mon 10 Mar 14

TRT says...

"We have been conned from day one. The new market will not be a market, it will be an arcade. The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want."

But I'm sure that 70% of the people of Watford agreed with the proposals and told the Mayor to "just get on with it".

Same old story - out with the old, in with the new and **** the consequences, **** the little people, don't listen to the warnings. The council are too easily swayed by developers with their promises of this and that and the modern...
I'm getting grave misgivings about the Charter Place redevelopment now, having seen how the council is completely toothless... they can't hold developers to account.
For example, there are blocks of flats going up in Bushey where planning permission was granted for one and two bedroom apartments. They are being advertised as two and three bedroom apartments now they've been built, and the groundworks do not match the submitted plans!

The market move is yet another travesty perpetrated by a tired old mare.
"We have been conned from day one. The new market will not be a market, it will be an arcade. The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want." But I'm sure that 70% of the people of Watford agreed with the proposals and told the Mayor to "just get on with it". Same old story - out with the old, in with the new and **** the consequences, **** the little people, don't listen to the warnings. The council are too easily swayed by developers with their promises of this and that and the modern... I'm getting grave misgivings about the Charter Place redevelopment now, having seen how the council is completely toothless... they can't hold developers to account. For example, there are blocks of flats going up in Bushey where planning permission was granted for one and two bedroom apartments. They are being advertised as two and three bedroom apartments now they've been built, and the groundworks do not match the submitted plans! The market move is yet another travesty perpetrated by a tired old mare. TRT
  • Score: 13

5:01pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ramage1996 says...

UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP! ramage1996
  • Score: -22

5:24pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Cuetip says...

It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living.
It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living. Cuetip
  • Score: -7

5:59pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ramage1996 says...

FREE TRAIN TRAVEL IF YOU VOTE UKIP!

FREE MARKET STALLS, UKIP IS THE FUTURE!

VOTE COX IN ELECTIONS AND THE COUNCIL TAX WILL BE CUT BY 25%
FREE TRAIN TRAVEL IF YOU VOTE UKIP! FREE MARKET STALLS, UKIP IS THE FUTURE! VOTE COX IN ELECTIONS AND THE COUNCIL TAX WILL BE CUT BY 25% ramage1996
  • Score: -17

6:17pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -3

6:45pm Mon 10 Mar 14

ramage1996 says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
That is what I said Phil, vote UKIP.


I'm sure UKIP would sort this out as you said in the the post above x
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]That is what I said Phil, vote UKIP. I'm sure UKIP would sort this out as you said in the the post above x ramage1996
  • Score: -16

10:20pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Oxhey-Moron says...

I may not be all of Watford, but I'd personally prefer a market without many of the existing traders and the tat that they sell.

If the current market is what the people of Watford wanted, it would be used. If it were used, there would actually be a case to keep it where it is.

Moving from opening 3 days a week to 5 days a week is not 'ridiculous', it's a more sensible and sustainable way to run the market. You cannot have a large portion of the town centre closed, for over 50% of the week.
I may not be all of Watford, but I'd personally prefer a market without many of the existing traders and the tat that they sell. If the current market is what the people of Watford wanted, it would be used. If it were used, there would actually be a case to keep it where it is. Moving from opening 3 days a week to 5 days a week is not 'ridiculous', it's a more sensible and sustainable way to run the market. You cannot have a large portion of the town centre closed, for over 50% of the week. Oxhey-Moron
  • Score: 8

10:59pm Mon 10 Mar 14

El Blissett says...

This story is very confused.

The main issue is that traders are angry because some want to move but have not been offered places.

Interviewee 1 - Margaret - doesn't want to move.

Interviewee 2 - Kathy - has been offered a place but isn't going to take it.

Interviewee 3 - Tony - seems to be in favour of the changes despite not getting a pitch.

Was there not one single person to be found who could actually support the angle of the story?
This story is very confused. The main issue is that traders are angry because some want to move but have not been offered places. Interviewee 1 - Margaret - doesn't want to move. Interviewee 2 - Kathy - has been offered a place but isn't going to take it. Interviewee 3 - Tony - seems to be in favour of the changes despite not getting a pitch. Was there not one single person to be found who could actually support the angle of the story? El Blissett
  • Score: 6

11:33pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Andrew1963 says...

Yes but the journalist very usefully got the ages of the market traders quoted in the story. But how old is Peter Nelson from Watford Council? We need to know now!
Yes but the journalist very usefully got the ages of the market traders quoted in the story. But how old is Peter Nelson from Watford Council? We need to know now! Andrew1963
  • Score: 12

7:02am Tue 11 Mar 14

E.Coli says...

Cuetip wrote:
It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living.
What has your rant got to do with the market moving.Have been talking to the big tree in the park again.
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living.[/p][/quote]What has your rant got to do with the market moving.Have been talking to the big tree in the park again. E.Coli
  • Score: -2

7:53am Tue 11 Mar 14

rew001 says...

i'm not sure how the headline fits the story. One trader is unhappy largely because the market will be open for five days instead of three. I'd call that offering a better service with the added benefit of making the best use of the space. The current market is losing money and is, in effect, being subsidised by the council tax payers. That shouldn't be allowed to continue so I say welcome to the new market.
i'm not sure how the headline fits the story. One trader is unhappy largely because the market will be open for five days instead of three. I'd call that offering a better service with the added benefit of making the best use of the space. The current market is losing money and is, in effect, being subsidised by the council tax payers. That shouldn't be allowed to continue so I say welcome to the new market. rew001
  • Score: 1

8:33am Tue 11 Mar 14

Cuetip says...

E.Coli wrote:
Cuetip wrote:
It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living.
What has your rant got to do with the market moving.Have been talking to the big tree in the park again.
WOW. Sweating assets and moving up towards market rates under the banner of affordable rents obviously tickles you out again. Some advice, just look in the mirror and see the big picture of at least yourself and then ckeck the word relevance. Market traders do have concerns about the reduced space and who is in and who is out.

Isn't that Cedar tree wonderful and isn't she lovely as it's a reminder that sometimes one has to stand out from the crowd when something is wrong.

Try it for once and see how you feel. Like the parking charges on the Watford Business Park and there is no point leaving your seat and hiding behind a pillar when residents moan about parking charges.

Rumours of the Cedar tree passing was greatly exaggerated as everyone now knows. It's still defiantly standing really tall and proud on the hill when all around have seen their branches wrecked despite huddling with others.

Stop chewing the grass to get a 'chilling experience' . It might help with your endless sleepless nights but your cerebellum - judging by your usual limited repetitive posting - is beyong repair from years of misuse.

Your night's HW old chap. Look up Wabi-sabi and stop being so narrow and closed.
[quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living.[/p][/quote]What has your rant got to do with the market moving.Have been talking to the big tree in the park again.[/p][/quote]WOW. Sweating assets and moving up towards market rates under the banner of affordable rents obviously tickles you out again. Some advice, just look in the mirror and see the big picture of at least yourself and then ckeck the word relevance. Market traders do have concerns about the reduced space and who is in and who is out. Isn't that Cedar tree wonderful and isn't she lovely as it's a reminder that sometimes one has to stand out from the crowd when something is wrong. Try it for once and see how you feel. Like the parking charges on the Watford Business Park and there is no point leaving your seat and hiding behind a pillar when residents moan about parking charges. Rumours of the Cedar tree passing was greatly exaggerated as everyone now knows. It's still defiantly standing really tall and proud on the hill when all around have seen their branches wrecked despite huddling with others. Stop chewing the grass to get a 'chilling experience' . It might help with your endless sleepless nights but your cerebellum - judging by your usual limited repetitive posting - is beyong repair from years of misuse. Your night's HW old chap. Look up Wabi-sabi and stop being so narrow and closed. Cuetip
  • Score: -5

8:52am Tue 11 Mar 14

yellow hornet says...

Cuetip wrote:
E.Coli wrote:
Cuetip wrote:
It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living.
What has your rant got to do with the market moving.Have been talking to the big tree in the park again.
WOW. Sweating assets and moving up towards market rates under the banner of affordable rents obviously tickles you out again. Some advice, just look in the mirror and see the big picture of at least yourself and then ckeck the word relevance. Market traders do have concerns about the reduced space and who is in and who is out.

Isn't that Cedar tree wonderful and isn't she lovely as it's a reminder that sometimes one has to stand out from the crowd when something is wrong.

Try it for once and see how you feel. Like the parking charges on the Watford Business Park and there is no point leaving your seat and hiding behind a pillar when residents moan about parking charges.

Rumours of the Cedar tree passing was greatly exaggerated as everyone now knows. It's still defiantly standing really tall and proud on the hill when all around have seen their branches wrecked despite huddling with others.

Stop chewing the grass to get a 'chilling experience' . It might help with your endless sleepless nights but your cerebellum - judging by your usual limited repetitive posting - is beyong repair from years of misuse.

Your night's HW old chap. Look up Wabi-sabi and stop being so narrow and closed.
Barking.
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: It's all part of a much bigger jig saw as with the bedroom tax or bedroom subsidy, moving social rents towards market rates. The squeeze is on especially at the bottom end where costs were more affordable as authorities look to sweat their assets with tenants being asked to accept a more 'head to toe' arrangement regardless of the cost of living.[/p][/quote]What has your rant got to do with the market moving.Have been talking to the big tree in the park again.[/p][/quote]WOW. Sweating assets and moving up towards market rates under the banner of affordable rents obviously tickles you out again. Some advice, just look in the mirror and see the big picture of at least yourself and then ckeck the word relevance. Market traders do have concerns about the reduced space and who is in and who is out. Isn't that Cedar tree wonderful and isn't she lovely as it's a reminder that sometimes one has to stand out from the crowd when something is wrong. Try it for once and see how you feel. Like the parking charges on the Watford Business Park and there is no point leaving your seat and hiding behind a pillar when residents moan about parking charges. Rumours of the Cedar tree passing was greatly exaggerated as everyone now knows. It's still defiantly standing really tall and proud on the hill when all around have seen their branches wrecked despite huddling with others. Stop chewing the grass to get a 'chilling experience' . It might help with your endless sleepless nights but your cerebellum - judging by your usual limited repetitive posting - is beyong repair from years of misuse. Your night's HW old chap. Look up Wabi-sabi and stop being so narrow and closed.[/p][/quote]Barking. yellow hornet
  • Score: 5

10:09am Tue 11 Mar 14

dontknowynot says...

Iconic Market >> This has got to be total spin and BS its a market crammed into car park beside a ring road and flyover, I fail to see on what basis it is Iconic!, Still maybe it will by an Icon of the mediocre or awfulness, but please don't kid us that this is iconic in the sense of the Grand Bizarre, or Covent Garden, Camden lock, or Portobello road. Iconic it will not be.
I am surpassed that the WO haven't dug up the Market traders association rep on this he usually has great things to say about any development Watford Council want to undertake.
Its a part time Market and was such for a reason, if you want a diverse market there are types of stall that require a lot of work sourcing stock etc and if you are a sole trader on your Jack Jones, then you can't be in two places at the same time.
Clearly the new market doesn't want these type of stalls, well thats the choice of the council, they hold the charter and do what they or rather Dotty wants. Including running down the market by setting up direct competition to it in Queens Road Market, allowing themed markets to operate in direct competition to some stalls at vastly reduced rates.
As for commercial considerations; they come into play when the council want, for instance I am sure that when the artists where in the market they got space for free and didn't even have to pay a commission on sales!!
Iconic Market >> This has got to be total spin and BS its a market crammed into car park beside a ring road and flyover, I fail to see on what basis it is Iconic!, Still maybe it will by an Icon of the mediocre or awfulness, but please don't kid us that this is iconic in the sense of the Grand Bizarre, or Covent Garden, Camden lock, or Portobello road. Iconic it will not be. I am surpassed that the WO haven't dug up the Market traders association rep on this he usually has great things to say about any development Watford Council want to undertake. Its a part time Market and was such for a reason, if you want a diverse market there are types of stall that require a lot of work sourcing stock etc and if you are a sole trader on your Jack Jones, then you can't be in two places at the same time. Clearly the new market doesn't want these type of stalls, well thats the choice of the council, they hold the charter and do what they or rather Dotty wants. Including running down the market by setting up direct competition to it in Queens Road Market, allowing themed markets to operate in direct competition to some stalls at vastly reduced rates. As for commercial considerations; they come into play when the council want, for instance I am sure that when the artists where in the market they got space for free and didn't even have to pay a commission on sales!! dontknowynot
  • Score: 3

10:12am Tue 11 Mar 14

TRT says...

It's a misspelling. Should be 'ironic'.
It's a misspelling. Should be 'ironic'. TRT
  • Score: 2

11:01am Tue 11 Mar 14

Cuetip says...

yellow hornet spliced E.Coli sooooo liberal (note small l ) with your expressions as it suits your stature judging by your very limited insenstive comments to the plight of others which to say the least are a bit rum.

PS How is your health or blood pressure? Hopefuly you might get something in the new market to ease your painful piles of anxieties if it's not all fast food and chocolate sweets.

Incidently grass can't get rid bigotry and ignorance as BARKING does have a very lively market.

Lots of best wishes as always as I never give up that one day you will be less liberal with your prejudiced views on the difficulties of so many hard pressed bullied groups in this country.
yellow hornet spliced E.Coli sooooo liberal (note small l ) with your expressions as it suits your stature judging by your very limited insenstive comments to the plight of others which to say the least are a bit rum. PS How is your health or blood pressure? Hopefuly you might get something in the new market to ease your painful piles of anxieties if it's not all fast food and chocolate sweets. Incidently grass can't get rid bigotry and ignorance as BARKING does have a very lively market. Lots of best wishes as always as I never give up that one day you will be less liberal with your prejudiced views on the difficulties of so many hard pressed bullied groups in this country. Cuetip
  • Score: -3

11:31am Tue 11 Mar 14

dontknowynot says...

Just wondering when the Market started making a loss, it couldn't be the First time Dotty decided she wanted to close it down and stalls like the Fancy dress and Gibsons Left to set up shops No?
If It made a profit (as I believe it did) before Dotty was Mayor, it would be fair and factual to say that the Libdem administration failed to keep it in profit.
Just wondering when the Market started making a loss, it couldn't be the First time Dotty decided she wanted to close it down and stalls like the Fancy dress and Gibsons Left to set up shops No? If It made a profit (as I believe it did) before Dotty was Mayor, it would be fair and factual to say that the Libdem administration failed to keep it in profit. dontknowynot
  • Score: 5

12:29pm Tue 11 Mar 14

CaptainPC says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected."

Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar.

Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected." Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar. Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box? CaptainPC
  • Score: 3

12:56pm Tue 11 Mar 14

LocalBoy1 says...

"The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want.".......... Of course she doesn't, she never asks. It's all about Dotty, money and outside investment. She's not concerned about the people of Watford.
"The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want.".......... Of course she doesn't, she never asks. It's all about Dotty, money and outside investment. She's not concerned about the people of Watford. LocalBoy1
  • Score: 7

1:15pm Tue 11 Mar 14

CaptainPC says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
"The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want.".......... Of course she doesn't, she never asks. It's all about Dotty, money and outside investment. She's not concerned about the people of Watford.
UKIP will try and find out if they get elected, but there's not much point in trying to now as they will probably not get in. What's the difference?
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: "The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want.".......... Of course she doesn't, she never asks. It's all about Dotty, money and outside investment. She's not concerned about the people of Watford.[/p][/quote]UKIP will try and find out if they get elected, but there's not much point in trying to now as they will probably not get in. What's the difference? CaptainPC
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Tue 11 Mar 14

ramage1996 says...

CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected."

Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar.

Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?
I totally agree CaptainPC, this Cox bloke is a chancer who turns up on every article promising the world in the hope of landing a highly paid job.

I do not want a chancer from a racist party as mayor of Watford.


I wonder if Cox would work as hard as Farage does in Brussels where he never turns up for any votes and just picks up his huge salary and dodgy bonuses?
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected." Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar. Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?[/p][/quote]I totally agree CaptainPC, this Cox bloke is a chancer who turns up on every article promising the world in the hope of landing a highly paid job. I do not want a chancer from a racist party as mayor of Watford. I wonder if Cox would work as hard as Farage does in Brussels where he never turns up for any votes and just picks up his huge salary and dodgy bonuses? ramage1996
  • Score: 6

4:58pm Tue 11 Mar 14

watfordrick says...

CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected."

Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar.

Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?
But I really dislike Thornhill but she's obviously gonna get in again with there being no sensible alternative. Oh well I'll just keep re reading the below article as I have done for the last few years to make me feel better.
http://m.watfordobse
rver.co.uk/news/4396
390.Mayor_badly_bitt
en_by_dog/?ref=arc
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected." Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar. Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?[/p][/quote]But I really dislike Thornhill but she's obviously gonna get in again with there being no sensible alternative. Oh well I'll just keep re reading the below article as I have done for the last few years to make me feel better. http://m.watfordobse rver.co.uk/news/4396 390.Mayor_badly_bitt en_by_dog/?ref=arc watfordrick
  • Score: -1

5:23pm Tue 11 Mar 14

ramage1996 says...

watfordrick wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected."

Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar.

Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?
But I really dislike Thornhill but she's obviously gonna get in again with there being no sensible alternative. Oh well I'll just keep re reading the below article as I have done for the last few years to make me feel better.
http://m.watfordobse

rver.co.uk/news/4396

390.Mayor_badly_bitt

en_by_dog/?ref=arc
I will vote for Dotty as any other vote might give this racist chancer Cox ore of an oppotunity to get in.

If Watford FC win tonight in Donny he will turn up like he normally does on the football articles banging on about UKIP, like he does on allotment, market etc articles promising the world, its getting boring..

Vote UKIP get UKIP (a racist chancer wanting a 60k plus expenses)
The only other example to compare him too is Farage who never turns up to vote and dos no work for his money so Watford needs to look at that and see that Cox just wants to mug the Watford tax payer off while splitting our community with his disgusting racist bile.
[quote][p][bold]watfordrick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected." Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar. Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?[/p][/quote]But I really dislike Thornhill but she's obviously gonna get in again with there being no sensible alternative. Oh well I'll just keep re reading the below article as I have done for the last few years to make me feel better. http://m.watfordobse rver.co.uk/news/4396 390.Mayor_badly_bitt en_by_dog/?ref=arc[/p][/quote]I will vote for Dotty as any other vote might give this racist chancer Cox ore of an oppotunity to get in. If Watford FC win tonight in Donny he will turn up like he normally does on the football articles banging on about UKIP, like he does on allotment, market etc articles promising the world, its getting boring.. Vote UKIP get UKIP (a racist chancer wanting a 60k plus expenses) The only other example to compare him too is Farage who never turns up to vote and dos no work for his money so Watford needs to look at that and see that Cox just wants to mug the Watford tax payer off while splitting our community with his disgusting racist bile. ramage1996
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

bigmeuprudeboy says...

CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected."

Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar.

Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?
Exactly CaptainPC, a good example recently has been the local election in Wyhenshawe where UKIP lost by a big majority.
However the prospective UKIP candidate was saying things that were not true that Farage after the event admitted were against his party policy such as keeping the local hospital open, increased funding to the NHS, no cuts to benefits.
This Mr Cox is doing the same thing, he is making commitments on all sorts of things that are untrue just like his Wythenshawe counterpart.

UKIP or the BNP or the EDL or any racist organisation who lie and deceive should be mocked.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected." Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar. Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?[/p][/quote]Exactly CaptainPC, a good example recently has been the local election in Wyhenshawe where UKIP lost by a big majority. However the prospective UKIP candidate was saying things that were not true that Farage after the event admitted were against his party policy such as keeping the local hospital open, increased funding to the NHS, no cuts to benefits. This Mr Cox is doing the same thing, he is making commitments on all sorts of things that are untrue just like his Wythenshawe counterpart. UKIP or the BNP or the EDL or any racist organisation who lie and deceive should be mocked. bigmeuprudeboy
  • Score: 1

10:25am Wed 12 Mar 14

CaptainPC says...

I don't actually think UKIP are a "racist" organsiation as I am sure they embrace "little Englanders" of all hues, same goes for the BNP. They would probably be happy to accept votes from people who are out and out Nazis though.

Do like the fact that UKIP Have appropriated the BNP slogan but will not accept members who were BNP members. They make a virtue of this, but to me it's a lot more about PR than any ideology.

Thir PR is absolutely dreadful, mind. Otherwise why would they let this fool Cox come on these forums?

He's always going to get savaged and made to look a right mug.
I don't actually think UKIP are a "racist" organsiation as I am sure they embrace "little Englanders" of all hues, same goes for the BNP. They would probably be happy to accept votes from people who are out and out Nazis though. Do like the fact that UKIP Have appropriated the BNP slogan but will not accept members who were BNP members. They make a virtue of this, but to me it's a lot more about PR than any ideology. Thir PR is absolutely dreadful, mind. Otherwise why would they let this fool Cox come on these forums? He's always going to get savaged and made to look a right mug. CaptainPC
  • Score: 1

10:32am Wed 12 Mar 14

CaptainPC says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
This would never have been allowed under UKIP.
Not sure if Cassetti, Angella; Anya, Battocchio ,Faraoni, Tozser, Merkel Forestieri , Pudil or Ranegie would be either.
Just saying like......
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]This would never have been allowed under UKIP. Not sure if Cassetti, Angella; Anya, Battocchio ,Faraoni, Tozser, Merkel Forestieri , Pudil or Ranegie would be either. Just saying like...... CaptainPC
  • Score: 1

12:58pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected."

Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar.

Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?
You insult decent people, ex-Labour, ex-LibDem and Ex-Tory voters when you insult Ukip voters. I'm sure you're aware of that by now.

You really must be worried about the success of Ukip.

Wanting to manage immigration is not the same as hating immigrants, far from it. It is a policy to manage this country properly. Unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is bad for the UK.

Racism is bad. Racial hatred is bad. Why do you try to stoke these fears?
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected." Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar. Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?[/p][/quote]You insult decent people, ex-Labour, ex-LibDem and Ex-Tory voters when you insult Ukip voters. I'm sure you're aware of that by now. You really must be worried about the success of Ukip. Wanting to manage immigration is not the same as hating immigrants, far from it. It is a policy to manage this country properly. Unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is bad for the UK. Racism is bad. Racial hatred is bad. Why do you try to stoke these fears? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -3

3:10pm Wed 12 Mar 14

CaptainPC says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP.

VOTE UKIP!
What an idiotic thing to say.

If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip.

Vote Ukip, get Ukip.

And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care.

If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess.

Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.
What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected."

Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar.

Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?
You insult decent people, ex-Labour, ex-LibDem and Ex-Tory voters when you insult Ukip voters. I'm sure you're aware of that by now.

You really must be worried about the success of Ukip.

Wanting to manage immigration is not the same as hating immigrants, far from it. It is a policy to manage this country properly. Unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is bad for the UK.

Racism is bad. Racial hatred is bad. Why do you try to stoke these fears?
Are you for real?

If you were seriously applying for a £60k job at a real company and you had no answers for the following, you'd be laughed out the room.

What actual policies have you got other than pulling out of the EU?
How are you at all relevant at local level?

If I am insulting people, who are too stupid to see through your basic bluster and scapegoating of EU immigrants, I really could not care less.

I'm not frightened of UKIP in the slightest-they are just the BNP without the charisma-just find you a bit fatuous.

Also on a serious matter, are you accusing of stoking racial hatred or stoking a fear of racial hatred?

I'm assuming the latter, as the former would be accusing me of a criminal offence, in which case fair enough.I am afraid of racial hatred but as you too state racial hatred is bad so we are agreed aren't we?

I've already said that I don't consider UKIP to be a racist party, but having siad that if you won the mayoral election by the vote cast by Mr A Hitler of North Watford, would you resign?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: UKIP WILL STOP THIS AND SUPPLY FREE MARKET PITCHES TO CURRENT MARKET STALL HOLDERS FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO PAY A PENNY FOR THE MARKET STALL UNDER UKIP. VOTE UKIP![/p][/quote]What an idiotic thing to say. If this is the best our rivals can do to try to stop the people of Watford voting Ukip on May 22nd then things are looking very bright for Ukip. Vote Ukip, get Ukip. And yes, we might well have something to say on behalf of the market traders who are being let down by a council that not only does not listen, it does not care. If I get elected as Mayor I invite the market traders to come to see me in week one and we will see what we can do to clear up the LibDems mess. Vote Ukip, for a better Watford.[/p][/quote]What a load of bo££ocks. Translates as "I haven't got a clue what I'd do as mayor, but if you vote for me I'll try and find out as soon as I am elected." Effectively you are interviewing for a £60k job and you sound like a school leaver wanting a job in a heel bar. Do people hate immigrants enough to fool for this? Are people stupid enough to fall for it clever enough to get a small piece of paper in a big box?[/p][/quote]You insult decent people, ex-Labour, ex-LibDem and Ex-Tory voters when you insult Ukip voters. I'm sure you're aware of that by now. You really must be worried about the success of Ukip. Wanting to manage immigration is not the same as hating immigrants, far from it. It is a policy to manage this country properly. Unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is bad for the UK. Racism is bad. Racial hatred is bad. Why do you try to stoke these fears?[/p][/quote]Are you for real? If you were seriously applying for a £60k job at a real company and you had no answers for the following, you'd be laughed out the room. What actual policies have you got other than pulling out of the EU? How are you at all relevant at local level? If I am insulting people, who are too stupid to see through your basic bluster and scapegoating of EU immigrants, I really could not care less. I'm not frightened of UKIP in the slightest-they are just the BNP without the charisma-just find you a bit fatuous. Also on a serious matter, are you accusing of stoking racial hatred or stoking a fear of racial hatred? I'm assuming the latter, as the former would be accusing me of a criminal offence, in which case fair enough.I am afraid of racial hatred but as you too state racial hatred is bad so we are agreed aren't we? I've already said that I don't consider UKIP to be a racist party, but having siad that if you won the mayoral election by the vote cast by Mr A Hitler of North Watford, would you resign? CaptainPC
  • Score: 0

10:49am Sun 16 Mar 14

#UKMum says...

"The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want."

The Mayor doesn't care what the people of Watford want. A wonderful indoor market that I use will become an outdoor market which I will not use.
"The mayor does not know what the people of Watford want." The Mayor doesn't care what the people of Watford want. A wonderful indoor market that I use will become an outdoor market which I will not use. #UKMum
  • Score: 1

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