Watford Foodbank given grant to help support its operation

Watford Observer: Watford Foodbank given grant to help support its operation Watford Foodbank given grant to help support its operation

A foodbank in north Watford has been given a council cash grant to help its work supporting people in need.

Watford Foodbank, in Imperial Way, has received £500 from Hertfordshire County Council to help improve its operation.

The money has come from the council’s locality budget scheme.

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6:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

LSC says...

So it is being accepted and admitted by our Great Leaders that some people simply cannot afford to eat in this area.
How much was that Purple Flag again? How much is the bridge over the pond?
So it is being accepted and admitted by our Great Leaders that some people simply cannot afford to eat in this area. How much was that Purple Flag again? How much is the bridge over the pond? LSC
  • Score: 3

6:45am Sun 6 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

I find this development wholly objectionable on a number of fronts.
Firstly, the organisation involved is a religious front.
It is linked principally to a number of local Christian churches.
It may seem harsh but I believe they are in a position of colluding with central government to drive down incomes and living standards by participating in such a fig leaf operation.
The volunteers may feel better for being involved and the recipients of the food will no doubt welcome the food but surely we all need to ask just what kind of society this is leading to where poverty is institutionalised with the active co-operation of church-based organisations?
There is also a question as to why council tax payers' money is being used to subsidise such an operation - or is this a kind of electoral bribe in the run up to the European, mayoral and borough council elections next month?
I find this development wholly objectionable on a number of fronts. Firstly, the organisation involved is a religious front. It is linked principally to a number of local Christian churches. It may seem harsh but I believe they are in a position of colluding with central government to drive down incomes and living standards by participating in such a fig leaf operation. The volunteers may feel better for being involved and the recipients of the food will no doubt welcome the food but surely we all need to ask just what kind of society this is leading to where poverty is institutionalised with the active co-operation of church-based organisations? There is also a question as to why council tax payers' money is being used to subsidise such an operation - or is this a kind of electoral bribe in the run up to the European, mayoral and borough council elections next month? John Dowdle
  • Score: 8

6:42pm Sun 6 Apr 14

WatfordAlex says...

John Dowdle wrote:
I find this development wholly objectionable on a number of fronts.
Firstly, the organisation involved is a religious front.
It is linked principally to a number of local Christian churches.
It may seem harsh but I believe they are in a position of colluding with central government to drive down incomes and living standards by participating in such a fig leaf operation.
The volunteers may feel better for being involved and the recipients of the food will no doubt welcome the food but surely we all need to ask just what kind of society this is leading to where poverty is institutionalised with the active co-operation of church-based organisations?
There is also a question as to why council tax payers' money is being used to subsidise such an operation - or is this a kind of electoral bribe in the run up to the European, mayoral and borough council elections next month?
God, you really are a miserable little misanthrope! How is a food bank 'driving down incomes and living standards'? I'd say they are doing the opposite of that. While you're sitting at home slagging off these volunteers from the comfort of your living room, they are out there helping some of the poorest members of our society. Put simply: you any your tiny band of atheist zealots don't come out looking too great in this scenario.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: I find this development wholly objectionable on a number of fronts. Firstly, the organisation involved is a religious front. It is linked principally to a number of local Christian churches. It may seem harsh but I believe they are in a position of colluding with central government to drive down incomes and living standards by participating in such a fig leaf operation. The volunteers may feel better for being involved and the recipients of the food will no doubt welcome the food but surely we all need to ask just what kind of society this is leading to where poverty is institutionalised with the active co-operation of church-based organisations? There is also a question as to why council tax payers' money is being used to subsidise such an operation - or is this a kind of electoral bribe in the run up to the European, mayoral and borough council elections next month?[/p][/quote]God, you really are a miserable little misanthrope! How is a food bank 'driving down incomes and living standards'? I'd say they are doing the opposite of that. While you're sitting at home slagging off these volunteers from the comfort of your living room, they are out there helping some of the poorest members of our society. Put simply: you any your tiny band of atheist zealots don't come out looking too great in this scenario. WatfordAlex
  • Score: -3

8:06pm Sun 6 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

What you need to grasp is that the government and businesses in this country are colluding together to pay below living level wages. In this situation, low paid workers are increasingly turning to food banks to survive.
Food banks are not the answer. The answer is decent wage levels.
We are supposed to have a minimum living wage in this country.
Instead, wage levels for most low paid workers have declined in real terms.
This leads to 'driving down incomes and living standards'
The clerics should be campaigning to secure better wage levels.
Welby and Nichols have just taken a first faltering step on that road today.
Food banks are - at best - a short term solution.
We - all of us - deserve better than that.
What you need to grasp is that the government and businesses in this country are colluding together to pay below living level wages. In this situation, low paid workers are increasingly turning to food banks to survive. Food banks are not the answer. The answer is decent wage levels. We are supposed to have a minimum living wage in this country. Instead, wage levels for most low paid workers have declined in real terms. This leads to 'driving down incomes and living standards' The clerics should be campaigning to secure better wage levels. Welby and Nichols have just taken a first faltering step on that road today. Food banks are - at best - a short term solution. We - all of us - deserve better than that. John Dowdle
  • Score: 4

10:26pm Sun 6 Apr 14

LSC says...

"Put simply: you any your tiny band of atheist zealots don't come out looking too great in this scenario."

You don't know what we might do, because we don't do it in anyone else's name. I don't do ANY good works in the name of atheism. But I do some good works none the less. I do them because it makes me feel good.
Not because a god spoke to me; not because a book told me to. And definatealy not because it gives me the opportunity to get new recruits into my gang of athiest zealots.
When christians can say the same, we are on moral level ground.
They had to be told to be nice. I'm just nice. :)
"Put simply: you any your tiny band of atheist zealots don't come out looking too great in this scenario." You don't know what we might do, because we don't do it in anyone else's name. I don't do ANY good works in the name of atheism. But I do some good works none the less. I do them because it makes me feel good. Not because a god spoke to me; not because a book told me to. And definatealy not because it gives me the opportunity to get new recruits into my gang of athiest zealots. When christians can say the same, we are on moral level ground. They had to be told to be nice. I'm just nice. :) LSC
  • Score: -2

10:32pm Sun 6 Apr 14

WD18Firm says...

John Dowdle, I understand your point but whilst on the road to your utopian solution what do you suggest...? That we close all the foodbanks and let tens of thousands of people starve to prove you right?
John Dowdle, I understand your point but whilst on the road to your utopian solution what do you suggest...? That we close all the foodbanks and let tens of thousands of people starve to prove you right? WD18Firm
  • Score: -1

1:03am Mon 7 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

It is a clear indicator as to the sheer extent to which the vast majority in our society have become utterly supine. I don't know when it will end.
After World War Two, we elected a Labour Government with a substantial majority, which went on to introduce a modern welfare state to the UK.
These days, we all seem to be being recruited into a situation where our valued public services are simply being eroded steadily through a process of privatisation and enrichment of the obscenely wealthy in our country.
I am not being party political in saying this. All the main parties have participated in this steady erosion of public welfare services.
What we need is a government which will introduce realistic minimum pay levels which are sufficient for all people to live in decency and dignity - and not having to resort to food banks to survive.
The general election is only a year away now. We have to hope we will see a change in government policies which will ensure that all working and nonworking persons in our society will thereafter earn sufficient in pay and salaries to ensure they never again have to contemplate using food-banks.
I started off saying I found these proposals wholly unacceptable but I did not argue against them coming into effect. As an interim measure, I do see we will have to accept these food bank arrangements if we are to avoid an even worse welfare tragedy situation but we should all of us think rather harder as to why we have ended up in this wholly unnecessary situation.
I also questioned the timing of this grant and asked if it might be linked to the electoral cycle. No one has responded on that point yet.
It is a clear indicator as to the sheer extent to which the vast majority in our society have become utterly supine. I don't know when it will end. After World War Two, we elected a Labour Government with a substantial majority, which went on to introduce a modern welfare state to the UK. These days, we all seem to be being recruited into a situation where our valued public services are simply being eroded steadily through a process of privatisation and enrichment of the obscenely wealthy in our country. I am not being party political in saying this. All the main parties have participated in this steady erosion of public welfare services. What we need is a government which will introduce realistic minimum pay levels which are sufficient for all people to live in decency and dignity - and not having to resort to food banks to survive. The general election is only a year away now. We have to hope we will see a change in government policies which will ensure that all working and nonworking persons in our society will thereafter earn sufficient in pay and salaries to ensure they never again have to contemplate using food-banks. I started off saying I found these proposals wholly unacceptable but I did not argue against them coming into effect. As an interim measure, I do see we will have to accept these food bank arrangements if we are to avoid an even worse welfare tragedy situation but we should all of us think rather harder as to why we have ended up in this wholly unnecessary situation. I also questioned the timing of this grant and asked if it might be linked to the electoral cycle. No one has responded on that point yet. John Dowdle
  • Score: 2

1:27am Mon 7 Apr 14

Su Murray says...

"I also questioned the timing of this grant and asked if it might be linked to the electoral cycle. No one has responded on that point yet".

I think most of us just take that for granted really John.

This fund is meant to be used for 'worthwhile projects that promote social, economic or environmental well being' - the implication being projects that are not part of the Council or Government's statutory duties. Shameful then that it is having to be used to provide people with basic food.
"I also questioned the timing of this grant and asked if it might be linked to the electoral cycle. No one has responded on that point yet". I think most of us just take that for granted really John. This fund is meant to be used for 'worthwhile projects that promote social, economic or environmental well being' - the implication being projects that are not part of the Council or Government's statutory duties. Shameful then that it is having to be used to provide people with basic food. Su Murray
  • Score: 4

6:51pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Arthur says...

Here's the simple explanation:

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom
e-news/fck-the-poor-
9244311.html
Here's the simple explanation: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/fck-the-poor- 9244311.html Arthur
  • Score: 2

7:26pm Mon 7 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

Arthur wrote:
Here's the simple explanation:

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom

e-news/fck-the-poor-

9244311.html
Hardly - it is a commercial.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur[/bold] wrote: Here's the simple explanation: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/fck-the-poor- 9244311.html[/p][/quote]Hardly - it is a commercial. John Dowdle
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Su Murray says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Arthur wrote:
Here's the simple explanation:

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom


e-news/fck-the-poor-


9244311.html
Hardly - it is a commercial.
I imagine Arthur is referring to the message within the clip. I think he has a point too.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur[/bold] wrote: Here's the simple explanation: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/fck-the-poor- 9244311.html[/p][/quote]Hardly - it is a commercial.[/p][/quote]I imagine Arthur is referring to the message within the clip. I think he has a point too. Su Murray
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Su Murray says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Arthur wrote:
Here's the simple explanation:

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom


e-news/fck-the-poor-


9244311.html
Hardly - it is a commercial.
I imagine Arthur is referring to the message within the clip. I think he has a point too.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur[/bold] wrote: Here's the simple explanation: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/hom e-news/fck-the-poor- 9244311.html[/p][/quote]Hardly - it is a commercial.[/p][/quote]I imagine Arthur is referring to the message within the clip. I think he has a point too. Su Murray
  • Score: 0

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