Watford General Hospital must sell land to get money from health campus

Watford Observer: Watford Health Campus: Watford General Hospital must sell land to get money Watford Health Campus: Watford General Hospital must sell land to get money

The trust in charge of Watford General Hospital will only get money from the health campus if it sells part of its site.

Samantha Jones, chief executive of West Hertfordshire Hospitals NHS Trust, said the regeneration scheme was giving the hospital land "flexibility" to redevelop.

However the method of funding for any large scale redevelopment of Watford General Hospital would only be decided after the trust finished drawing up its strategy for the future.

It also emerged this week that the trust is not a part of the health campus legal agreement between Watford Borough Council and developers Kier, but it retains a veto over the proposals.

In an interview with the Watford Observer, Ms Jones said the trust was currently working on its clinical strategy, which would determine hospital services in Watford, St Albans and Hemel Hempstead for the coming decades.

She said: "I am on record as saying our buildings are not fit for purpose and I don’t think anybody would disagree with me.

"The question people want the answer to is ‘what is the future of the clinical services and what is the future of Watford, St Albans and Hemel’. And we have said that, with our commissioners, because we have to respond to what our commissioners want.

"We are reviewing how those services are provided by us but also by the community services and also by the mental health trust and the primary care, to see what does the future of healthcare look like in west Hertfordshire.

"And that is important and that is completely relevant to the health campus, because we need to make sure that whatever we have here is fit for the next five years and the next 20 years."

The health campus project plans to redevelop the land around the hospital, behind Vicarage Road, with around 700 new homes as well as business and green spaces. Part of the scheme has been earmarked for the hospital’s redevelopment.

This week the trust confirmed that it would only receive money from the scheme if it sold some of its land to the developers. However the trust said the health campus had already financially benefited the hospital as it had helped it to secure funding for the new access road from Dalton Way.

The shape of the new hospital services will not become clear until the clinical strategy is finalised, which could be as late as mid 2015. The trust has already confirmed that the A&E and maternity until will be staying in Watford, but little else has been divulged.

Ms Jones added that part of the reason the clinical strategy was taking a long time was that the management had changed at the hospital since she took the helm last year.

She also said the last couple of years had seen sweeping NHS reforms that meant hospital services were heavily influenced by what GP-run consortiums wanted.

Ms Jones said: "Yes the landscape in the NHS has completely changed and there was a new landscape from April 2013 when the CCGs (clinical commissioning groups) came in and took responsibility. But healthcare has to be provided and with the questions we’re working through with our commissioners, and we have a really good relationship with our commissioners at Herts Valley CCG."

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12:15pm Fri 4 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

umm well that's it then
New health facility in watford are now just a "pocket full of Mumbles" type of promise and the Health Campus is a housing estate on the floodplane

That makes the central accusation of the Farm Terrace Allotment peeps true, its just a landgrab
umm well that's it then New health facility in watford are now just a "pocket full of Mumbles" type of promise and the Health Campus is a housing estate on the floodplane That makes the central accusation of the Farm Terrace Allotment peeps true, its just a landgrab ancientandageing
  • Score: 19

12:48pm Fri 4 Apr 14

jamesja says...

does this mean that some hospital land is to be sold for non hospital development? this would be a strange turn of events. I thought the hospital were getting more land out of this. Is it that we're getting a housing development and smaller hospital at the end of the day, as well as taking the allotments?
does this mean that some hospital land is to be sold for non hospital development? this would be a strange turn of events. I thought the hospital were getting more land out of this. Is it that we're getting a housing development and smaller hospital at the end of the day, as well as taking the allotments? jamesja
  • Score: 12

1:10pm Fri 4 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

This is the important comment...

"We are reviewing how those services are provided by us but also by the community services and also by the mental health trust and the primary care, to see what does the future of healthcare look like in west Hertfordshire. And that is important and that is completely relevant to the health campus, because we need to make sure that whatever we have here is fit for the next five years and the next 20 years."

This comment could not makes it clearer that the Trust is still very undecided about what it wants to do with Watford General.

As I have repeatedly said, until the Trust are absolutely sure about what is needed, it is simply utter madness to build the so called Health Campus.

Any half-wit can see that you have to first design the hospital buildings, roads and infrastructure to fit the need. Then, and only then, should you stop and look what to do with the remaining surrounding land.

Yet what is happening here is a disgrace. The Lib Dem council that is driving the new Housing Development, sorry, Health Campus, have pound signs in their eyes. By using up land before they can be 100% certain it will not be needed for the hospital, they are risking that many services that could and should be provided in Watford will end up elsewhere.

There is no pressing requirement forcing the new housing development to start now. Waiting two years to allow the Trust to finalise its plans is simple and would be the correct thing to do.

Instead we have seen the Lib Dem controlled council behave in an outrageously irresponsible way. For the people of Watford's sake, I seriously hope it doesn't come back to bite them.
This is the important comment... "We are reviewing how those services are provided by us but also by the community services and also by the mental health trust and the primary care, to see what does the future of healthcare look like in west Hertfordshire. And that is important and that is completely relevant to the health campus, because we need to make sure that whatever we have here is fit for the next five years and the next 20 years." This comment could not makes it clearer that the Trust is still very undecided about what it wants to do with Watford General. As I have repeatedly said, until the Trust are absolutely sure about what is needed, it is simply utter madness to build the so called Health Campus. Any half-wit can see that you have to first design the hospital buildings, roads and infrastructure to fit the need. Then, and only then, should you stop and look what to do with the remaining surrounding land. Yet what is happening here is a disgrace. The Lib Dem council that is driving the new Housing Development, sorry, Health Campus, have pound signs in their eyes. By using up land before they can be 100% certain it will not be needed for the hospital, they are risking that many services that could and should be provided in Watford will end up elsewhere. There is no pressing requirement forcing the new housing development to start now. Waiting two years to allow the Trust to finalise its plans is simple and would be the correct thing to do. Instead we have seen the Lib Dem controlled council behave in an outrageously irresponsible way. For the people of Watford's sake, I seriously hope it doesn't come back to bite them. D_Penn
  • Score: 12

1:47pm Fri 4 Apr 14

bushey10 says...

This is a housing development and it's clear that no part of the profits go towards services at the hospital ( rebuilding run down buildings etc.) It should "not" be called a health campus as it totally misleading. The local councillors should hang their heads in shame as they are clearly misleading residents as it's all to with the councils housing figures. No wonder the Mayor is worried as without these houses she's well short off her the housing target.
This is a housing development and it's clear that no part of the profits go towards services at the hospital ( rebuilding run down buildings etc.) It should "not" be called a health campus as it totally misleading. The local councillors should hang their heads in shame as they are clearly misleading residents as it's all to with the councils housing figures. No wonder the Mayor is worried as without these houses she's well short off her the housing target. bushey10
  • Score: 14

3:02pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

This whole affair is a disgrace, both the Mayors cash grab for the land and the suggestion the hospital should sell off land. Such short-termism is really quite shocking. Why the rush to build now when a delay would not cause any problems at all and in fact could only help the hospital's cause to stay in Watford?

Building homes now on the land will likely tie the hospitals hands when it comes to redeveloping the hospital and we may well lose services and not get a new hospital which this town desperately needs and has repeatedly been promised.

If you don't like what is going on, don't vote LibDem or Conservative.

Vote Ukip for a new Mayor, one that cares.
This whole affair is a disgrace, both the Mayors cash grab for the land and the suggestion the hospital should sell off land. Such short-termism is really quite shocking. Why the rush to build now when a delay would not cause any problems at all and in fact could only help the hospital's cause to stay in Watford? Building homes now on the land will likely tie the hospitals hands when it comes to redeveloping the hospital and we may well lose services and not get a new hospital which this town desperately needs and has repeatedly been promised. If you don't like what is going on, don't vote LibDem or Conservative. Vote Ukip for a new Mayor, one that cares. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 18

4:06pm Fri 4 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

bushey10 wrote:
This is a housing development and it's clear that no part of the profits go towards services at the hospital ( rebuilding run down buildings etc.) It should "not" be called a health campus as it totally misleading. The local councillors should hang their heads in shame as they are clearly misleading residents as it's all to with the councils housing figures. No wonder the Mayor is worried as without these houses she's well short off her the housing target.
The slavish adherence to housing targets by the Lib Dems is part of the problem as it gives an excuse for never ending developments.

The last Labour government foolishly and irresponsibly opened the immigration floodgates without giving the slightest thought to where these people were going to live. Their shameful politically driven aim to 'rub the right's nose in diversity' betrayed everyone, both resident and immigrant alike.

People across Britain saw rents and house prices driven up as demand vastly exceeded supply. Young people getting married found it increasingly impossible to get their own place. Students leaving school and university remain stuck at home unless their parents can raise the money to help them - often out of money put aside for their retirement.

The only solution to the massive housing shortage left by the time Labour had finished with its disastrous open door policy was that a huge new house building programme was required. That has resulted in the dreaded house building targets being foisted on councils, regardless of whether towns had either the space or infrastructure to cope.

Unfortunately, many weak Councils, Lib Dem controlled Watford included, never questioned the policy or dared to argue that it would take a wrecking ball to local infrastructure. So here in Watford, targets were simply accepted. There was no study to see at what point the lives of existing Watford residents becomes intolerable because of overcrowding. No Watford residents were asked about how much new housing would be acceptable.

The Lib Dems have kept smiling whilst letting development after development take place - and I guarantee that while they are in power they will carry on doing so until every space in Watford is crammed full of flats and our town effectively becomes a cramped, over-crowded, inner-city borough.

It fits in well with the Lib Dem mantra of homes for all. Nothing wrong at all with that principle, but they have absolutely no concern for the welfare for the people who voted for them and who are already living here in our increasingly overpopulated town. Worse, they love the extra money all these developments and new Council Tax payers bring in because it makes them look like they are running the budget so well.

So they never look at or consider the only alternative that can prevent Watford from turing into a hell-hole.

What they are missing is that trashing towns like Watford is absolutely not the way to solve the problem of housing shortage because all you end up with is everybody being unhappy.

The only sensible solution is that Britain needs new towns and plenty of them. Yes, it means building on the green fields of Hertfordshire, but as much as we all hate that, it was always inevitable from the moment Labour began its appalling policy.

Furthermore, whilst we are members of the EU and and people from much poorer parts of Europe can come and live here anytime they wish, there will be long-term, significant net migration year in, year out, requiring contant new housing.

Let's be clear. this will never stop until the Eastern European countries economies start matching Britain's. In all likelihood, that will only happen if their economies grow and become richer and ours shrinks and becomes poorer. It may take decades for that to happen, so until then, ignore what the government politicians tell you, thousands and thousands and thousands of houses will be needed each year for a generation or more.

One thing is certain though. They cannot all be built in Watford. It's long overdue that the Lib Dems put existing Watford residents first and said, "No more new housing in Watford. We are full!"

That's not going to happen so, for the sake of everyone living in this town we need to get rid of them and put in place a new council that will put the needs of existing Watford residents first. To put an end to this overcrowding madness is one of the primary reasons I'll be standing for UKIP in the coming elections.
[quote][p][bold]bushey10[/bold] wrote: This is a housing development and it's clear that no part of the profits go towards services at the hospital ( rebuilding run down buildings etc.) It should "not" be called a health campus as it totally misleading. The local councillors should hang their heads in shame as they are clearly misleading residents as it's all to with the councils housing figures. No wonder the Mayor is worried as without these houses she's well short off her the housing target.[/p][/quote]The slavish adherence to housing targets by the Lib Dems is part of the problem as it gives an excuse for never ending developments. The last Labour government foolishly and irresponsibly opened the immigration floodgates without giving the slightest thought to where these people were going to live. Their shameful politically driven aim to 'rub the right's nose in diversity' betrayed everyone, both resident and immigrant alike. People across Britain saw rents and house prices driven up as demand vastly exceeded supply. Young people getting married found it increasingly impossible to get their own place. Students leaving school and university remain stuck at home unless their parents can raise the money to help them - often out of money put aside for their retirement. The only solution to the massive housing shortage left by the time Labour had finished with its disastrous open door policy was that a huge new house building programme was required. That has resulted in the dreaded house building targets being foisted on councils, regardless of whether towns had either the space or infrastructure to cope. Unfortunately, many weak Councils, Lib Dem controlled Watford included, never questioned the policy or dared to argue that it would take a wrecking ball to local infrastructure. So here in Watford, targets were simply accepted. There was no study to see at what point the lives of existing Watford residents becomes intolerable because of overcrowding. No Watford residents were asked about how much new housing would be acceptable. The Lib Dems have kept smiling whilst letting development after development take place - and I guarantee that while they are in power they will carry on doing so until every space in Watford is crammed full of flats and our town effectively becomes a cramped, over-crowded, inner-city borough. It fits in well with the Lib Dem mantra of homes for all. Nothing wrong at all with that principle, but they have absolutely no concern for the welfare for the people who voted for them and who are already living here in our increasingly overpopulated town. Worse, they love the extra money all these developments and new Council Tax payers bring in because it makes them look like they are running the budget so well. So they never look at or consider the only alternative that can prevent Watford from turing into a hell-hole. What they are missing is that trashing towns like Watford is absolutely not the way to solve the problem of housing shortage because all you end up with is everybody being unhappy. The only sensible solution is that Britain needs new towns and plenty of them. Yes, it means building on the green fields of Hertfordshire, but as much as we all hate that, it was always inevitable from the moment Labour began its appalling policy. Furthermore, whilst we are members of the EU and and people from much poorer parts of Europe can come and live here anytime they wish, there will be long-term, significant net migration year in, year out, requiring contant new housing. Let's be clear. this will never stop until the Eastern European countries economies start matching Britain's. In all likelihood, that will only happen if their economies grow and become richer and ours shrinks and becomes poorer. It may take decades for that to happen, so until then, ignore what the government politicians tell you, thousands and thousands and thousands of houses will be needed each year for a generation or more. One thing is certain though. They cannot all be built in Watford. It's long overdue that the Lib Dems put existing Watford residents first and said, "No more new housing in Watford. We are full!" That's not going to happen so, for the sake of everyone living in this town we need to get rid of them and put in place a new council that will put the needs of existing Watford residents first. To put an end to this overcrowding madness is one of the primary reasons I'll be standing for UKIP in the coming elections. D_Penn
  • Score: 16

4:08pm Fri 4 Apr 14

TRT says...

Sounds to me like the hospital sells the land to the developer then rents it back on a long term lease, along with a new generic building. Not the other way round, of course, never that - with the current owner leasing the land to the developer and retaining ownership (like the 999 year lease of Charter Place).
This is an absolute shambles. The access road is being built across playing fields, for crying out loud. Not only that, but those playing fields are also a flood plain, and no doubt the level of the road near the garage will be raised to stop the road junction flooding like it did last year and every year with above average rainfall (it's why the pavement is raised along one side), meaning that any future opportunity to restore the Southern curve bridge (allowing Croxley Rail Link services to run south into Bushey and on towards Euston or diverting along the West Hampstead branch towards Stratford to provide e.g. an East/West through service) will be made more difficult as there will be insufficient headroom to restore the trackbed at level.

All work on this project should be halted immediately and subject to review by a neutral public body in 2015 when the NHS have sorted their ideas out. Otherwise this will end up as a massive public loss to private companies yet again.
Sounds to me like the hospital sells the land to the developer then rents it back on a long term lease, along with a new generic building. Not the other way round, of course, never that - with the current owner leasing the land to the developer and retaining ownership (like the 999 year lease of Charter Place). This is an absolute shambles. The access road is being built across playing fields, for crying out loud. Not only that, but those playing fields are also a flood plain, and no doubt the level of the road near the garage will be raised to stop the road junction flooding like it did last year and every year with above average rainfall (it's why the pavement is raised along one side), meaning that any future opportunity to restore the Southern curve bridge (allowing Croxley Rail Link services to run south into Bushey and on towards Euston or diverting along the West Hampstead branch towards Stratford to provide e.g. an East/West through service) will be made more difficult as there will be insufficient headroom to restore the trackbed at level. All work on this project should be halted immediately and subject to review by a neutral public body in 2015 when the NHS have sorted their ideas out. Otherwise this will end up as a massive public loss to private companies yet again. TRT
  • Score: 15

4:36pm Fri 4 Apr 14

#UKMum says...

One wonders why Watford Gen should be handing over any land at all.
One wonders why Watford Gen should be handing over any land at all. #UKMum
  • Score: 17

4:37pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

D. Penn says 'Any half-wit can see that you have to first design the hospital buildings, roads and infrastructure to fit the need. Then, and only then, should you stop and look what to do with the remaining surrounding land.'
Well a half-wit UKIP supporter might think that, but many major developments, especially those with a long time line like the Health Campus, begin when an overall strategy is in place which allows logical spaces to be allocated to the various functions, well ahead of final designs being in place. This allows work to start on parts like the road network and generic elements like much needed housing, while the really complicated technical parts, like hospital facilities, are sorted out. It's logical and practical.
D Penn then goes on to say that the housing shortage should be sorted by building 'new towns and plenty of them' presumably in someone else's back yard, not his. The problem is that we have a housing shortage right here. House prices have gone through the roof in Watford, demand far exceeds supply and young people and young local families want affordable homes here where they live, not have to move away to one of your mythical new towns, which could be decades and many miles away.
It's all very well for the two 'I'm all right Jack' ukippers writing in this thread living in their nice comfortable detached houses in well to do Park ward. They don't suffer from the problems of a house shortage, rather they benefit from the current inflated prices.
I want to see affordable homes made available for the young families of Watford, right here in Watford, and that's what the Health Campus offers, along with the thousand plus new jobs and modernised hospital facilities the Health Campus development offers.
D. Penn says 'Any half-wit can see that you have to first design the hospital buildings, roads and infrastructure to fit the need. Then, and only then, should you stop and look what to do with the remaining surrounding land.' Well a half-wit UKIP supporter might think that, but many major developments, especially those with a long time line like the Health Campus, begin when an overall strategy is in place which allows logical spaces to be allocated to the various functions, well ahead of final designs being in place. This allows work to start on parts like the road network and generic elements like much needed housing, while the really complicated technical parts, like hospital facilities, are sorted out. It's logical and practical. D Penn then goes on to say that the housing shortage should be sorted by building 'new towns and plenty of them' presumably in someone else's back yard, not his. The problem is that we have a housing shortage right here. House prices have gone through the roof in Watford, demand far exceeds supply and young people and young local families want affordable homes here where they live, not have to move away to one of your mythical new towns, which could be decades and many miles away. It's all very well for the two 'I'm all right Jack' ukippers writing in this thread living in their nice comfortable detached houses in well to do Park ward. They don't suffer from the problems of a house shortage, rather they benefit from the current inflated prices. I want to see affordable homes made available for the young families of Watford, right here in Watford, and that's what the Health Campus offers, along with the thousand plus new jobs and modernised hospital facilities the Health Campus development offers. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -22

4:37pm Fri 4 Apr 14

crazyfrog says...

"The trust in charge of Watford General Hospital will only get money from the health campus if it sells part of its site."

My question is who are the "health Campus"? I take it they mean watford council and the housing developer kier? So if this is the case can watford borough council explain their stance on this matter, why are they assisting the developer kier into forcing watford general hospital into selling vital hospital land for private development?

this whole project needs stopping NOW !

The hospital management has changed and the trusts clinical strategy will not be finished untill 2015 so this whole project needs placing on ice untill then.

I think west Herts NHS trust need to use their veto to stop this project before it turns into a future nightmare for any hospital regeneration as the developer and watford council seem hell bent in forcing this development through as quickly as possible right now.

Watford council and west Herts NHS trust have a duty of care to the residents of watford who they they serve so they should both be looking a stopping this development before it's to late.
"The trust in charge of Watford General Hospital will only get money from the health campus if it sells part of its site." My question is who are the "health Campus"? I take it they mean watford council and the housing developer kier? So if this is the case can watford borough council explain their stance on this matter, why are they assisting the developer kier into forcing watford general hospital into selling vital hospital land for private development? this whole project needs stopping NOW ! The hospital management has changed and the trusts clinical strategy will not be finished untill 2015 so this whole project needs placing on ice untill then. I think west Herts NHS trust need to use their veto to stop this project before it turns into a future nightmare for any hospital regeneration as the developer and watford council seem hell bent in forcing this development through as quickly as possible right now. Watford council and west Herts NHS trust have a duty of care to the residents of watford who they they serve so they should both be looking a stopping this development before it's to late. crazyfrog
  • Score: 20

5:34pm Fri 4 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

@Wacko Jacko

You think building roads and houses first and then seeing if a new hospital can fit in afterwards is ‘logical and practical’? So what if the hospital reports in two years that the space left is unsuitable or in the wrong place? Are you going to tear up a new road or demolish brand new flats?

It is perfectly sensible to wait until the hospital Trust is absolutely clear about its needs and then you design the whole area. If the hospital suddenly finds it needs a whole new block it’s very easy to move flats and roads while they are still on the drawing board. Once built, you’re stuffed!


On the matter of new housing, your suggestion that I want them built in 'someone else’s back yard' could not be further from the truth. I don’t want any more house building in anybody’s back yard! If you read my post you will see that I said we are now left with no sensible choice other than to build new towns on green sites. I hate the idea, but we are left with no alternative given the past huge population increase and the fact that it will continue into the future. Towns simply cannot take any more.


You also say: “I want to see affordable homes made available for the young families of Watford, right here in Watford... ”

It all sounds reasonable until you realise that the residents of these flats will be paying huge mortgages for over thirty years in return for rabbit- hutch sized rooms. They will also add to and suffer from all the nightmare Watford traffic. They will also have to fight for school places and all the other services required for modern living. Why do you want to inflict these problems on new residents and increase overcrowding for everyone? These are people we are talking about, not rats. Human beings deserve better than to be bled dry in return for being stacked one on top of the other just because recent governments have failed utterly to control our borders.

We are where we are and people need places to live. Far better to build a new town with decent sized houses, new roads, schools etc., where people can live in comfort and raise children somewhere with breathing space. Of course it costs, but there is no choice because Watford and other towns are reaching breaking point and stuffing more and more people shoulder to shoulder is not the answer.
@Wacko Jacko You think building roads and houses first and then seeing if a new hospital can fit in afterwards is ‘logical and practical’? So what if the hospital reports in two years that the space left is unsuitable or in the wrong place? Are you going to tear up a new road or demolish brand new flats? It is perfectly sensible to wait until the hospital Trust is absolutely clear about its needs and then you design the whole area. If the hospital suddenly finds it needs a whole new block it’s very easy to move flats and roads while they are still on the drawing board. Once built, you’re stuffed! On the matter of new housing, your suggestion that I want them built in 'someone else’s back yard' could not be further from the truth. I don’t want any more house building in anybody’s back yard! If you read my post you will see that I said we are now left with no sensible choice other than to build new towns on green sites. I hate the idea, but we are left with no alternative given the past huge population increase and the fact that it will continue into the future. Towns simply cannot take any more. You also say: “I want to see affordable homes made available for the young families of Watford, right here in Watford... ” It all sounds reasonable until you realise that the residents of these flats will be paying huge mortgages for over thirty years in return for rabbit- hutch sized rooms. They will also add to and suffer from all the nightmare Watford traffic. They will also have to fight for school places and all the other services required for modern living. Why do you want to inflict these problems on new residents and increase overcrowding for everyone? These are people we are talking about, not rats. Human beings deserve better than to be bled dry in return for being stacked one on top of the other just because recent governments have failed utterly to control our borders. We are where we are and people need places to live. Far better to build a new town with decent sized houses, new roads, schools etc., where people can live in comfort and raise children somewhere with breathing space. Of course it costs, but there is no choice because Watford and other towns are reaching breaking point and stuffing more and more people shoulder to shoulder is not the answer. D_Penn
  • Score: 18

7:19pm Fri 4 Apr 14

bushey10 says...

Problem is where dose it stop, the Mayor wants to build all around the hospital and then were next?
One wonders if the same reasons will then be used by the controlling Councillors & Mayor to build on Watford's open spaces and parks next.

Whilst all that's going on the Hospital gets not a penny from the developers to build new buildings or buy new equipment, a Heath Campus - whose conning who!
Problem is where dose it stop, the Mayor wants to build all around the hospital and then were next? One wonders if the same reasons will then be used by the controlling Councillors & Mayor to build on Watford's open spaces and parks next. Whilst all that's going on the Hospital gets not a penny from the developers to build new buildings or buy new equipment, a Heath Campus - whose conning who! bushey10
  • Score: 4

7:23pm Fri 4 Apr 14

CroxleyS says...

This is undoubtedly an interesting quandary about the future of the hospital and land. Has anyone considered what used to sit on the land in Cardiff Road and the impact that would have had on the environment they intend to build houses on??????
This is undoubtedly an interesting quandary about the future of the hospital and land. Has anyone considered what used to sit on the land in Cardiff Road and the impact that would have had on the environment they intend to build houses on?????? CroxleyS
  • Score: 7

7:35pm Fri 4 Apr 14

#UKMum says...

Well what used to sit on Cardiff Road? Please do go on.
Well what used to sit on Cardiff Road? Please do go on. #UKMum
  • Score: 1

7:41pm Fri 4 Apr 14

CroxleyS says...

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Follow this link and all becomes clear !
http://www.britainfr omabove.org.uk/image /epw039622 Follow this link and all becomes clear ! CroxleyS
  • Score: 2

9:59pm Fri 4 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

CroxleyS wrote:
http://www.britainfr

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/epw039622

Follow this link and all becomes clear !
interesting photo, however the hospital site is listed as "Shrodells hospital", when in fact it was Shrodells Public Assistance Institution, that is still a Workhouse, Technically it was still a poor Law institution untill its conversion to a Hospital in 1948.
Now it was the Labour Gov that finally brought in the NHS and Welfare state got rid of the last vestiges of workhouses.The sad thing is that this story demonstrates the fragility of the entire NHS, this gov made up of Liberal Democrats and conservatives are in the process of asset striping and privatizing the NHS. Interestingly the site of the hospital/workhouse dates back to 1837, so has been publicly owned for 180 yrs and now it looks like it is just another asset to sell.
[quote][p][bold]CroxleyS[/bold] wrote: http://www.britainfr omabove.org.uk/image /epw039622 Follow this link and all becomes clear ![/p][/quote]interesting photo, however the hospital site is listed as "Shrodells hospital", when in fact it was Shrodells Public Assistance Institution, that is still a Workhouse, Technically it was still a poor Law institution untill its conversion to a Hospital in 1948. Now it was the Labour Gov that finally brought in the NHS and Welfare state got rid of the last vestiges of workhouses.The sad thing is that this story demonstrates the fragility of the entire NHS, this gov made up of Liberal Democrats and conservatives are in the process of asset striping and privatizing the NHS. Interestingly the site of the hospital/workhouse dates back to 1837, so has been publicly owned for 180 yrs and now it looks like it is just another asset to sell. ancientandageing
  • Score: 3

10:54pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

bushey10 wrote:
Problem is where dose it stop, the Mayor wants to build all around the hospital and then were next?
One wonders if the same reasons will then be used by the controlling Councillors & Mayor to build on Watford's open spaces and parks next.

Whilst all that's going on the Hospital gets not a penny from the developers to build new buildings or buy new equipment, a Heath Campus - whose conning who!
This whole health campus is an utter farce with any plans or space for a new hospital fast disappearing with every land grab.
[quote][p][bold]bushey10[/bold] wrote: Problem is where dose it stop, the Mayor wants to build all around the hospital and then were next? One wonders if the same reasons will then be used by the controlling Councillors & Mayor to build on Watford's open spaces and parks next. Whilst all that's going on the Hospital gets not a penny from the developers to build new buildings or buy new equipment, a Heath Campus - whose conning who![/p][/quote]This whole health campus is an utter farce with any plans or space for a new hospital fast disappearing with every land grab. Cuetip
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12:24am Sat 5 Apr 14

Andrew1963 says...

The only way the hospital can sell its land at Watford General, (probably along vicarage road frontage for high density housing), and keep the money for investment in new facilities is to be a Trust. That won't happen because it is too weak financially to be allowed to become a Trust. If it sold the land today all the money would go into a central NHS pot. The very same pot of money that was used to lend the hospital the cash to build the road. So it is entirely possible that the hospital site will get smaller, with no new facilities and the money from the sale simply paying for the road that will allow Kier and Watford council to profit from the redevelopment of the Cardiif Road industrial estate.
The only way the hospital can sell its land at Watford General, (probably along vicarage road frontage for high density housing), and keep the money for investment in new facilities is to be a Trust. That won't happen because it is too weak financially to be allowed to become a Trust. If it sold the land today all the money would go into a central NHS pot. The very same pot of money that was used to lend the hospital the cash to build the road. So it is entirely possible that the hospital site will get smaller, with no new facilities and the money from the sale simply paying for the road that will allow Kier and Watford council to profit from the redevelopment of the Cardiif Road industrial estate. Andrew1963
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