Death on busy road outside schools in north Watford 'a matter of when, not if'

Nikki Pengelly with Stephen Giles- Medhurst on steps of Watford council with petition to improve road safety outside Parkgate Junior School

Nikki Pengelly with Stephen Giles- Medhurst on steps of Watford council with petition to improve road safety outside Parkgate Junior School

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

Parents have warned it is only a matter of time before a pupil is seriously injured or killed on a main north Watford road near two schools unless actions is taken.

Politicians were presented with a petition of more than 1,000 signatures on Wednesday calling for the crossing on Bushey Mill Lane to be improved and a 20mph zone.

The road sits between Parkgate Junior School and Parkgate Infants and Nursery and is a busy thoroughfare for pupils and parents.

Nikki Pengelly, 40, one of the mothers spearheading the campaign said the location of the current crossing in Bushey Mill Lane, by Parkgate Road, was inadequate and in a dangerous place.

The mother-of-three from Leggatts Wood Avenue said: "The way the cars go around the bend they do not realise the lights are there and they go straight through the red lights.

"I watched with an open mouth as my son was at the lights when they went green, he decided to cross but then stopped himself as he saw a lorry coming. A 10-year-old should not have to do that."

Mrs Pegelly, a bookeeper, said that parents want the crossing upgraded and also a 20 mph zone imposed around the area in mornings and evenings.

She added: "It is little things to be put in place to make it safer for our children as it is not a matter of if there will be a death, but when there will be a death."

Parents at the school handed their petition to politicians at the Highways Liaison Briefing at Watford Borough Council yesterday (on Wednesday).

Councillor Stephen Giles-Medhurst, the chairman of the committee, said politicians had supported the plans

He said:  "It was supported by the whole panel and now it is will the highways officers. There is an industrial estate with lorries coming down that road.

"Also the location of the lights is close to a bend. There are a number of factors that make it very dangerous at the end of the day. There are clear and important issues and something needs to be done about it."

Councillor Giles-Medhurst said he felt the cost of the improving the crossing would not be too great as the main parts such as the lights were also in place.

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2:15pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Common sense would say that this crossing should be examined quickly by traffic and safety experts. It should be the top priority of the councils to do so where such a risk has been identified.

Common sense then goes on to say that if found dangerous, as it seems is the case, then action should be taken as a matter of urgency to fix the problem. Again, the top priority.

If I were Mayor I would be taking action immediately to resolve this issue and push for a solution without delay.

If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so.

To other schools and parents in the future, don't bother getting a petition in future, it just delays things, just come straight to me, no messing around we will just do what is necessary. As for cost, if it needs doing then it needs doing and the funds must be found and the works not delayed for financial reasons.

I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction.

This should be resolved before the elections. If it is not, come and see me and it will be resolved very shortly afterwards.

Safety on our streets must be a top priority for the council and the Mayor. As a father it is one of my top priorities and I will not allow delays where child safety is at stake.
Common sense would say that this crossing should be examined quickly by traffic and safety experts. It should be the top priority of the councils to do so where such a risk has been identified. Common sense then goes on to say that if found dangerous, as it seems is the case, then action should be taken as a matter of urgency to fix the problem. Again, the top priority. If I were Mayor I would be taking action immediately to resolve this issue and push for a solution without delay. If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so. To other schools and parents in the future, don't bother getting a petition in future, it just delays things, just come straight to me, no messing around we will just do what is necessary. As for cost, if it needs doing then it needs doing and the funds must be found and the works not delayed for financial reasons. I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction. This should be resolved before the elections. If it is not, come and see me and it will be resolved very shortly afterwards. Safety on our streets must be a top priority for the council and the Mayor. As a father it is one of my top priorities and I will not allow delays where child safety is at stake. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

3:38pm Fri 4 Apr 14

TRT says...

Eh? I've never missed that crossing. It is a little bit "fade into the background", but a lick of red anti-skid on the road surface on the approaches to it, and no worries.
Eh? I've never missed that crossing. It is a little bit "fade into the background", but a lick of red anti-skid on the road surface on the approaches to it, and no worries. TRT
  • Score: 6

4:11pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Common sense would say that this crossing should be examined quickly by traffic and safety experts. It should be the top priority of the councils to do so where such a risk has been identified.

Common sense then goes on to say that if found dangerous, as it seems is the case, then action should be taken as a matter of urgency to fix the problem. Again, the top priority.

If I were Mayor I would be taking action immediately to resolve this issue and push for a solution without delay.

If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so.

To other schools and parents in the future, don't bother getting a petition in future, it just delays things, just come straight to me, no messing around we will just do what is necessary. As for cost, if it needs doing then it needs doing and the funds must be found and the works not delayed for financial reasons.

I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction.

This should be resolved before the elections. If it is not, come and see me and it will be resolved very shortly afterwards.

Safety on our streets must be a top priority for the council and the Mayor. As a father it is one of my top priorities and I will not allow delays where child safety is at stake.
If Cox had read this article carefully he would have noted that action has already been taken. The matter has the support of all members of the highways panel and is now in the hands of Herts County Council highways officers who are responsible for doing whatever their experts deem necessary to make the crossing safe.
So there's really no need for Mr Cox to leap bravely onto his white charger over this, if he becomes Mayo. Which after all is just as well as he stands no chance of achieving that goal.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Common sense would say that this crossing should be examined quickly by traffic and safety experts. It should be the top priority of the councils to do so where such a risk has been identified. Common sense then goes on to say that if found dangerous, as it seems is the case, then action should be taken as a matter of urgency to fix the problem. Again, the top priority. If I were Mayor I would be taking action immediately to resolve this issue and push for a solution without delay. If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so. To other schools and parents in the future, don't bother getting a petition in future, it just delays things, just come straight to me, no messing around we will just do what is necessary. As for cost, if it needs doing then it needs doing and the funds must be found and the works not delayed for financial reasons. I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction. This should be resolved before the elections. If it is not, come and see me and it will be resolved very shortly afterwards. Safety on our streets must be a top priority for the council and the Mayor. As a father it is one of my top priorities and I will not allow delays where child safety is at stake.[/p][/quote]If Cox had read this article carefully he would have noted that action has already been taken. The matter has the support of all members of the highways panel and is now in the hands of Herts County Council highways officers who are responsible for doing whatever their experts deem necessary to make the crossing safe. So there's really no need for Mr Cox to leap bravely onto his white charger over this, if he becomes Mayo. Which after all is just as well as he stands no chance of achieving that goal. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -6

4:25pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I read the article and am aware of the contents. It has political approval and is with the Highways Officers. That is some action but it has not changed the situation on the road itself. Changes on the actual road is the only action that counts and will make it safer. Politicians receiving petitions and posing for publicity shots does nothing to move this important issue faster. If anything it just slows things down.

As a potential Mayor in May I was giving not only my full support but also a promise of swift action if this gets bogged down in council procedures.

A UKIP Mayor will make important things like this move as quickly as possible and give them the highest priority.

I am just saddened by the delay caused by having to get a petition together for something that must have been a problem for some time and should have been actioned much earlier.

In future people can come directly to me as Mayor to raise issues of such gravity.

As for my chances of becoming Mayor, I think I'll let the electorate decide what sort of Mayor they want.
I read the article and am aware of the contents. It has political approval and is with the Highways Officers. That is some action but it has not changed the situation on the road itself. Changes on the actual road is the only action that counts and will make it safer. Politicians receiving petitions and posing for publicity shots does nothing to move this important issue faster. If anything it just slows things down. As a potential Mayor in May I was giving not only my full support but also a promise of swift action if this gets bogged down in council procedures. A UKIP Mayor will make important things like this move as quickly as possible and give them the highest priority. I am just saddened by the delay caused by having to get a petition together for something that must have been a problem for some time and should have been actioned much earlier. In future people can come directly to me as Mayor to raise issues of such gravity. As for my chances of becoming Mayor, I think I'll let the electorate decide what sort of Mayor they want. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

7:40pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Sara says...

Phil, this is not a Borough Council responsibility. So the Mayor has no jurisdiction. Cllr Giles-Medhurst is acting in his capacity as a County Councillor.

If you want to influence the County Council as a member, you need to stand for election as a county councillor. The most recent set of elections were last May. Did you stand and put your case to the electorate then?
Phil, this is not a Borough Council responsibility. So the Mayor has no jurisdiction. Cllr Giles-Medhurst is acting in his capacity as a County Councillor. If you want to influence the County Council as a member, you need to stand for election as a county councillor. The most recent set of elections were last May. Did you stand and put your case to the electorate then? Sara
  • Score: -4

8:07pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Phil, this is not a Borough Council responsibility. So the Mayor has no jurisdiction. Cllr Giles-Medhurst is acting in his capacity as a County Councillor.

If you want to influence the County Council as a member, you need to stand for election as a county councillor. The most recent set of elections were last May. Did you stand and put your case to the electorate then?
I know that Sara, but then nor are potholes but you can't open a local LibDem leaflet without a picture of a local LibDem councillor looking at one. I think your town councillors like to kid people you are responsible for them, don't you?

The point is a Mayor can bring political pressure to bear and in case you didn't read the article there is a Highways Liaison between the councils. Watford BC does have some influence in the matter, or would you like to deny that?

I think I have made my point but just in case, if it was purely a County Council issue why did Giles have his publicity shot outside the Town Hall (local, not county council building)? He's not a WBC Councillor is he? I thought not. Anything for a publicity shot eh, especially leading up to the elections. And why hand in a petition at Watford Borough Council?


You can't have it both ways Sara, can you? But then I suppose Nick Clegg is not a straight sort of guy and he's your leader. His lies tripped him up on the TV EU debate against Farage and he came out pretty battered. It wasn't his fault though. He knew his arguments and statistics wouldn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny and so he resorted to lies and personal attacks.

Not a good way to either conduct himself or politics, was it?
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Phil, this is not a Borough Council responsibility. So the Mayor has no jurisdiction. Cllr Giles-Medhurst is acting in his capacity as a County Councillor. If you want to influence the County Council as a member, you need to stand for election as a county councillor. The most recent set of elections were last May. Did you stand and put your case to the electorate then?[/p][/quote]I know that Sara, but then nor are potholes but you can't open a local LibDem leaflet without a picture of a local LibDem councillor looking at one. I think your town councillors like to kid people you are responsible for them, don't you? The point is a Mayor can bring political pressure to bear and in case you didn't read the article there is a Highways Liaison between the councils. Watford BC does have some influence in the matter, or would you like to deny that? I think I have made my point but just in case, if it was purely a County Council issue why did Giles have his publicity shot outside the Town Hall (local, not county council building)? He's not a WBC Councillor is he? I thought not. Anything for a publicity shot eh, especially leading up to the elections. And why hand in a petition at Watford Borough Council? You can't have it both ways Sara, can you? But then I suppose Nick Clegg is not a straight sort of guy and he's your leader. His lies tripped him up on the TV EU debate against Farage and he came out pretty battered. It wasn't his fault though. He knew his arguments and statistics wouldn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny and so he resorted to lies and personal attacks. Not a good way to either conduct himself or politics, was it? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

11:14pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
Phil, this is not a Borough Council responsibility. So the Mayor has no jurisdiction. Cllr Giles-Medhurst is acting in his capacity as a County Councillor.

If you want to influence the County Council as a member, you need to stand for election as a county councillor. The most recent set of elections were last May. Did you stand and put your case to the electorate then?
I know that Sara, but then nor are potholes but you can't open a local LibDem leaflet without a picture of a local LibDem councillor looking at one. I think your town councillors like to kid people you are responsible for them, don't you?

The point is a Mayor can bring political pressure to bear and in case you didn't read the article there is a Highways Liaison between the councils. Watford BC does have some influence in the matter, or would you like to deny that?

I think I have made my point but just in case, if it was purely a County Council issue why did Giles have his publicity shot outside the Town Hall (local, not county council building)? He's not a WBC Councillor is he? I thought not. Anything for a publicity shot eh, especially leading up to the elections. And why hand in a petition at Watford Borough Council?


You can't have it both ways Sara, can you? But then I suppose Nick Clegg is not a straight sort of guy and he's your leader. His lies tripped him up on the TV EU debate against Farage and he came out pretty battered. It wasn't his fault though. He knew his arguments and statistics wouldn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny and so he resorted to lies and personal attacks.

Not a good way to either conduct himself or politics, was it?
You show up your lack off understanding of local issues and how things work almost you sit at your keyboard. District/Borough Councillors can bring things to the attention of the County council!, but cannot decide on it.

Each area has a highways meeting which involves Councillors from the area, but it has no powers, not can it make decisions. All the money and power is with the County Council and County Councillors, not the Mayor or District/Borough Councillors. However each meeting is usually held at the Town Hall or offices for that area, rather than County Hall. So the Watford meeting with Watford area County Councillors is held at Watford Town Hall. Councillor Giles-Medhurst is a County Councillor for the Watford area, so he attends that meeting.

See it's quite simple, although maybe not simple enough for someone who can't even get people's name correct. Not a good quality for a prospective Mayor - could lose you a lot of friends and contacts.

So do tell us, why aren't you a County councillor, coming to the rescue of drivers and pedestrians across the county?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Phil, this is not a Borough Council responsibility. So the Mayor has no jurisdiction. Cllr Giles-Medhurst is acting in his capacity as a County Councillor. If you want to influence the County Council as a member, you need to stand for election as a county councillor. The most recent set of elections were last May. Did you stand and put your case to the electorate then?[/p][/quote]I know that Sara, but then nor are potholes but you can't open a local LibDem leaflet without a picture of a local LibDem councillor looking at one. I think your town councillors like to kid people you are responsible for them, don't you? The point is a Mayor can bring political pressure to bear and in case you didn't read the article there is a Highways Liaison between the councils. Watford BC does have some influence in the matter, or would you like to deny that? I think I have made my point but just in case, if it was purely a County Council issue why did Giles have his publicity shot outside the Town Hall (local, not county council building)? He's not a WBC Councillor is he? I thought not. Anything for a publicity shot eh, especially leading up to the elections. And why hand in a petition at Watford Borough Council? You can't have it both ways Sara, can you? But then I suppose Nick Clegg is not a straight sort of guy and he's your leader. His lies tripped him up on the TV EU debate against Farage and he came out pretty battered. It wasn't his fault though. He knew his arguments and statistics wouldn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny and so he resorted to lies and personal attacks. Not a good way to either conduct himself or politics, was it?[/p][/quote]You show up your lack off understanding of local issues and how things work almost you sit at your keyboard. District/Borough Councillors can bring things to the attention of the County council!, but cannot decide on it. Each area has a highways meeting which involves Councillors from the area, but it has no powers, not can it make decisions. All the money and power is with the County Council and County Councillors, not the Mayor or District/Borough Councillors. However each meeting is usually held at the Town Hall or offices for that area, rather than County Hall. So the Watford meeting with Watford area County Councillors is held at Watford Town Hall. Councillor Giles-Medhurst is a County Councillor for the Watford area, so he attends that meeting. See it's quite simple, although maybe not simple enough for someone who can't even get people's name correct. Not a good quality for a prospective Mayor - could lose you a lot of friends and contacts. So do tell us, why aren't you a County councillor, coming to the rescue of drivers and pedestrians across the county? Sara
  • Score: -9

1:16pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Agentlizzy says...

A 20mph zone won't stop idiot drivers like the one that overtook me on a mini roundabout down Bushey Mill Lane one morning before 8am this week!
A 20mph zone won't stop idiot drivers like the one that overtook me on a mini roundabout down Bushey Mill Lane one morning before 8am this week! Agentlizzy
  • Score: 9

2:10pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies.

A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.
That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 8

3:42pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said:
If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so.

Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet.
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said: If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so. Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet. Nascot
  • Score: -6

3:46pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.
Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition.

Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.[/p][/quote]Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition. Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk. Sara
  • Score: -6

4:59pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.
Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition.

Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.
Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story.

My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity?

Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay.

As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing.

I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.[/p][/quote]Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition. Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.[/p][/quote]Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story. My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity? Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay. As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing. I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 6

5:01pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Nascot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said:
If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so.

Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet.
Cheap shot.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said: If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so. Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet.[/p][/quote]Cheap shot. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

5:30pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction.

apostrophe?
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says... I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction. apostrophe? Nascot
  • Score: -10

6:59pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I see my common sense, calling for action and caring posts have been significantly voted down while my LibDem opponents critical posts are voted up. Why would that be? Who might do such a thing?

This could be the true opinion of readers or the dirty tricks department of the LibDems. It's hard to know for sure.

At least they can't influence the content of the posts by any fiddling around.

The question has to be. If UKIP are no threat to them, then why are they spending so much time and effort telling UKIP they have no chance and voting down the posts?

If they are worried now, it's nothing to how worried they will be on 22nd May.
I see my common sense, calling for action and caring posts have been significantly voted down while my LibDem opponents critical posts are voted up. Why would that be? Who might do such a thing? This could be the true opinion of readers or the dirty tricks department of the LibDems. It's hard to know for sure. At least they can't influence the content of the posts by any fiddling around. The question has to be. If UKIP are no threat to them, then why are they spending so much time and effort telling UKIP they have no chance and voting down the posts? If they are worried now, it's nothing to how worried they will be on 22nd May. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

8:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.
Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition.

Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.
Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story.

My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity?

Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay.

As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing.

I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place.
You really have no idea what you are talking about - or you are telling porkies. I'm not sure which is worse.

Dorothy was approached by so e parents a while ago. They approached her because they knew she would be helpful. She then helped them collect petition signatures and County Cllr Stephen Giles-Medhurst then arranged for it to be presented at the next County Council'sWatford Highways Liaison meeting, which was held at Watford Town Hall as usual.

No hold up, no problems. Happier parents.

BTW why didn't you stand for HCC last year Phil if you have such an interest in a Highways issues?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.[/p][/quote]Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition. Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.[/p][/quote]Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story. My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity? Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay. As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing. I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place.[/p][/quote]You really have no idea what you are talking about - or you are telling porkies. I'm not sure which is worse. Dorothy was approached by so e parents a while ago. They approached her because they knew she would be helpful. She then helped them collect petition signatures and County Cllr Stephen Giles-Medhurst then arranged for it to be presented at the next County Council'sWatford Highways Liaison meeting, which was held at Watford Town Hall as usual. No hold up, no problems. Happier parents. BTW why didn't you stand for HCC last year Phil if you have such an interest in a Highways issues? Sara
  • Score: -7

8:26pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.
Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition.

Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.
Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story.

My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity?

Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay.

As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing.

I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place.
You really have no idea what you are talking about - or you are telling porkies. I'm not sure which is worse.

Dorothy was approached by so e parents a while ago. They approached her because they knew she would be helpful. She then helped them collect petition signatures and County Cllr Stephen Giles-Medhurst then arranged for it to be presented at the next County Council'sWatford Highways Liaison meeting, which was held at Watford Town Hall as usual.

No hold up, no problems. Happier parents.

BTW why didn't you stand for HCC last year Phil if you have such an interest in a Highways issues?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.[/p][/quote]Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition. Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.[/p][/quote]Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story. My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity? Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay. As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing. I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place.[/p][/quote]You really have no idea what you are talking about - or you are telling porkies. I'm not sure which is worse. Dorothy was approached by so e parents a while ago. They approached her because they knew she would be helpful. She then helped them collect petition signatures and County Cllr Stephen Giles-Medhurst then arranged for it to be presented at the next County Council'sWatford Highways Liaison meeting, which was held at Watford Town Hall as usual. No hold up, no problems. Happier parents. BTW why didn't you stand for HCC last year Phil if you have such an interest in a Highways issues? Sara
  • Score: -6

9:06pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I see my common sense, calling for action and caring posts have been significantly voted down while my LibDem opponents critical posts are voted up. Why would that be? Who might do such a thing?

This could be the true opinion of readers or the dirty tricks department of the LibDems. It's hard to know for sure.

At least they can't influence the content of the posts by any fiddling around.

The question has to be. If UKIP are no threat to them, then why are they spending so much time and effort telling UKIP they have no chance and voting down the posts?

If they are worried now, it's nothing to how worried they will be on 22nd May.
Me I can't wait until it is until Phil Cox former UKIP Mayoral Candidate for Watford and he returns to being RegEdit or MarsLander
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I see my common sense, calling for action and caring posts have been significantly voted down while my LibDem opponents critical posts are voted up. Why would that be? Who might do such a thing? This could be the true opinion of readers or the dirty tricks department of the LibDems. It's hard to know for sure. At least they can't influence the content of the posts by any fiddling around. The question has to be. If UKIP are no threat to them, then why are they spending so much time and effort telling UKIP they have no chance and voting down the posts? If they are worried now, it's nothing to how worried they will be on 22nd May.[/p][/quote]Me I can't wait until it is until Phil Cox former UKIP Mayoral Candidate for Watford and he returns to being RegEdit or MarsLander Nascot
  • Score: -5

10:23pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Nascot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said:
If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so.

Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet.
Cheap shot.
Only quoting what you said
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said: If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so. Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet.[/p][/quote]Cheap shot.[/p][/quote]Only quoting what you said Nascot
  • Score: -8

10:23pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Nascot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said:
If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so.

Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet.
Cheap shot.
Only quoting what you said
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford said: If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so. Sorry but wasn't your first pledge, in a post not too long ago, to deal with the location and look of the new market? Broken promises already and not even elected yet.[/p][/quote]Cheap shot.[/p][/quote]Only quoting what you said Nascot
  • Score: -7

11:19pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.
Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition.

Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.
Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story.

My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity?

Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay.

As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing.

I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place.
You really have no idea what you are talking about - or you are telling porkies. I'm not sure which is worse.

Dorothy was approached by so e parents a while ago. They approached her because they knew she would be helpful. She then helped them collect petition signatures and County Cllr Stephen Giles-Medhurst then arranged for it to be presented at the next County Council'sWatford Highways Liaison meeting, which was held at Watford Town Hall as usual.

No hold up, no problems. Happier parents.

BTW why didn't you stand for HCC last year Phil if you have such an interest in a Highways issues?
It's quite simple Sara. Try reading my posts again.

I don't tell porkies. Although I have been an inactive member of the LibDems in the past it was not compulsory at that time for ordinary members to tell porkies.

I also understand enough of where the responsibilities lie and when I explained that to you, you agreed with me and told me Dotty was already doing it by helping collect signatures on a petition. Sadly the bit Dotty was already doing was a bit of a case of image over substance and therefore a waste of time both for her and the parents. Do you really need a petition before county will take notice of a potentially very serious traffic danger? I **** well hope not.

I suppose if you didn't have an elected Mayor doing these stunts you would probably have to pay for publicity so I can see the attraction for you even if I don't agree with it. We call it playing politics with peoples lives. You call it walking the walk.

I wonder who is right?
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: That is my understanding of events and procedures too, although you seem to play down the influence an elected Mayor can have on outside bodies. A Mayor is also able to do other things to help in situations like this if necessary. If DT doesn't know that, maybe she's not trying hard enough.[/p][/quote]Having spoken to Dorothy this morning as I happened to be meeting her about another matter, I understand that she had already spoken to the residents and was out over a fortnight ago helping to collect signatures for the petition. Like all good Councillors, Dorothy does a lot of behind the scenes influencing that brings results, but she doesn't make a big fuss or come to the papers every hour. She just gets on with things. I believe it's called walking the walk.[/p][/quote]Thank you for confirming what I said about the Mayor having influence and accepting what you said was not the whole story. My only disappointment in all this was the waste of time the petition took and Dotty's role in dragging it out. Why was a petition necessary, surely it just introduced a potential delay and caused more work? The need for this is as clear as the nose on your face, we would call it common sense to do this, so was the petition necessary or just another LibDem pre-election photo and publicity opportunity? Vote UKIP. Cut the clutter and let's just get on with doing what is right for Watford, without delay. As Mayor I will not be interested in faux petitions and looking like I am doing the right thing. I will be far more interested in just getting on with the job and doing the right thing. I might not get photo opportunities as often as Dotty and the other LibDems try to do, but a lot of readers will probably appreciate that. I know I would in their place.[/p][/quote]You really have no idea what you are talking about - or you are telling porkies. I'm not sure which is worse. Dorothy was approached by so e parents a while ago. They approached her because they knew she would be helpful. She then helped them collect petition signatures and County Cllr Stephen Giles-Medhurst then arranged for it to be presented at the next County Council'sWatford Highways Liaison meeting, which was held at Watford Town Hall as usual. No hold up, no problems. Happier parents. BTW why didn't you stand for HCC last year Phil if you have such an interest in a Highways issues?[/p][/quote]It's quite simple Sara. Try reading my posts again. I don't tell porkies. Although I have been an inactive member of the LibDems in the past it was not compulsory at that time for ordinary members to tell porkies. I also understand enough of where the responsibilities lie and when I explained that to you, you agreed with me and told me Dotty was already doing it by helping collect signatures on a petition. Sadly the bit Dotty was already doing was a bit of a case of image over substance and therefore a waste of time both for her and the parents. Do you really need a petition before county will take notice of a potentially very serious traffic danger? I **** well hope not. I suppose if you didn't have an elected Mayor doing these stunts you would probably have to pay for publicity so I can see the attraction for you even if I don't agree with it. We call it playing politics with peoples lives. You call it walking the walk. I wonder who is right? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 9

11:57pm Sat 5 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

I welcome the action being taken to improve safety anywhere where children are specifically at risk. It is well known that one area that is a great threat to children's lives from traffic accidents is close to school gates.

When I was at school, a girl two forms below me, fourteen year old Angela Downey, was killed outside the school just before the Christmas break. It had a profound effect on me.

I was a governor at Laurance Haines School in 1998 when little Ryan Moorhead died in an accident right outside the school. It is hard to describe the horror and impotence that one feels after such a tragedy.

The misery and despair that such loss of young lives causes for their families is impossible to imagine so when a risk is identified, as here, it is right that everyone supports action.

I hope that any changes are made as speedily as possible because it would be unbearable if anything should happen to a child before work could be completed.
I welcome the action being taken to improve safety anywhere where children are specifically at risk. It is well known that one area that is a great threat to children's lives from traffic accidents is close to school gates. When I was at school, a girl two forms below me, fourteen year old Angela Downey, was killed outside the school just before the Christmas break. It had a profound effect on me. I was a governor at Laurance Haines School in 1998 when little Ryan Moorhead died in an accident right outside the school. It is hard to describe the horror and impotence that one feels after such a tragedy. The misery and despair that such loss of young lives causes for their families is impossible to imagine so when a risk is identified, as here, it is right that everyone supports action. I hope that any changes are made as speedily as possible because it would be unbearable if anything should happen to a child before work could be completed. D_Penn
  • Score: 10

12:06am Sun 6 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara,

you are a county councillor I believe. What is the timetable for resolving this issue and making this road safe for children?

Do you or Giles have any responsibility for Highways on the council? (I am referring to Hertfordshire County Council - to avoid any confusion).
Sara, you are a county councillor I believe. What is the timetable for resolving this issue and making this road safe for children? Do you or Giles have any responsibility for Highways on the council? (I am referring to Hertfordshire County Council - to avoid any confusion). Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 11

7:29am Sun 6 Apr 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara,

you are a county councillor I believe. What is the timetable for resolving this issue and making this road safe for children?

Do you or Giles have any responsibility for Highways on the council? (I am referring to Hertfordshire County Council - to avoid any confusion).
It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less.

I have no specific responsibility for highways at County Council other than that as a division member and a member of the council, like the other 76. I don't know any County Councillors called Giles.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Sara, you are a county councillor I believe. What is the timetable for resolving this issue and making this road safe for children? Do you or Giles have any responsibility for Highways on the council? (I am referring to Hertfordshire County Council - to avoid any confusion).[/p][/quote]It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less. I have no specific responsibility for highways at County Council other than that as a division member and a member of the council, like the other 76. I don't know any County Councillors called Giles. Sara
  • Score: -6

12:48pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Thank you for the response Sara.

I think that's why more and more people are turning to UKIP.

They are fed up of politicians who waste their time on photo calls and self-publicity while there is urgent work to be done.

They are fed up of their elected politicians not recognising the urgency of works or lifting a finger to make a difference and saying "It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less". - your own words.

Your words show how detached you are from the concerns of the people you represent and demonstrate a "couldn't care less, not my problem" sort of attitude.

We in UKIP are fed up of politicians like you. Our voters agree with us.

The people deserve better.

They are voting UKIP.
Thank you for the response Sara. I think that's why more and more people are turning to UKIP. They are fed up of politicians who waste their time on photo calls and self-publicity while there is urgent work to be done. They are fed up of their elected politicians not recognising the urgency of works or lifting a finger to make a difference and saying "It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less". - your own words. Your words show how detached you are from the concerns of the people you represent and demonstrate a "couldn't care less, not my problem" sort of attitude. We in UKIP are fed up of politicians like you. Our voters agree with us. The people deserve better. They are voting UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

9:21pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Sara says...

Dear Phil,
I think you may have a problem comprehending some quite simple English.

I tell you that I have no specific responsibility for highways beyond that of an ordinary member and you go into a rant. Only a small number of Councillors can serve on the committee which looks after Highways issues. The rest of us get on with our ward issues. That's what Councillors do. Hasn't stopped me getting several pedestrian crossings installed, improved roads and pavements, new grit bins, new street name plates, clearer safety markings, vegetation cut back, safety measures outside schools, reduced traffic speeds, and much more.

The words that I use were a paraphrase of Humpty Dumpty inThrough the Looking Glass. They refer to the attitude of the Conservative-run County Council, whose highways section are, to my mind and that of many colleagues, not fit for purpose.

I am not one to sing my own praises, or indeed take photos for the papers. However I think you may have picked on the wrong person to accuse of being lazy and unpopular, as a quick perusal of election results and local issues would have demonstrated.
Dear Phil, I think you may have a problem comprehending some quite simple English. I tell you that I have no specific responsibility for highways beyond that of an ordinary member and you go into a rant. Only a small number of Councillors can serve on the committee which looks after Highways issues. The rest of us get on with our ward issues. That's what Councillors do. Hasn't stopped me getting several pedestrian crossings installed, improved roads and pavements, new grit bins, new street name plates, clearer safety markings, vegetation cut back, safety measures outside schools, reduced traffic speeds, and much more. The words that I use were a paraphrase of Humpty Dumpty inThrough the Looking Glass. They refer to the attitude of the Conservative-run County Council, whose highways section are, to my mind and that of many colleagues, not fit for purpose. I am not one to sing my own praises, or indeed take photos for the papers. However I think you may have picked on the wrong person to accuse of being lazy and unpopular, as a quick perusal of election results and local issues would have demonstrated. Sara
  • Score: -10

11:44am Mon 7 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Dear Phil,
I think you may have a problem comprehending some quite simple English.

I tell you that I have no specific responsibility for highways beyond that of an ordinary member and you go into a rant. Only a small number of Councillors can serve on the committee which looks after Highways issues. The rest of us get on with our ward issues. That's what Councillors do. Hasn't stopped me getting several pedestrian crossings installed, improved roads and pavements, new grit bins, new street name plates, clearer safety markings, vegetation cut back, safety measures outside schools, reduced traffic speeds, and much more.

The words that I use were a paraphrase of Humpty Dumpty inThrough the Looking Glass. They refer to the attitude of the Conservative-run County Council, whose highways section are, to my mind and that of many colleagues, not fit for purpose.

I am not one to sing my own praises, or indeed take photos for the papers. However I think you may have picked on the wrong person to accuse of being lazy and unpopular, as a quick perusal of election results and local issues would have demonstrated.
Sara,

I must confess that I am disappointed to have any elected councillor, no matter what party, that when faced with an urgent safety issue concerning our children crossing outside a school with a prediction that a death is only a matter of time, that said elected councillor, you, quote Humpty Dumpty.

It's quite frankly insulting to every taxpayer and particularly the families of the children who are in danger.

I can only thank my lucky stars that you are not in any position of authority over this matter if that is your attitude to such issues.

You are part of the problem, not the solution.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Dear Phil, I think you may have a problem comprehending some quite simple English. I tell you that I have no specific responsibility for highways beyond that of an ordinary member and you go into a rant. Only a small number of Councillors can serve on the committee which looks after Highways issues. The rest of us get on with our ward issues. That's what Councillors do. Hasn't stopped me getting several pedestrian crossings installed, improved roads and pavements, new grit bins, new street name plates, clearer safety markings, vegetation cut back, safety measures outside schools, reduced traffic speeds, and much more. The words that I use were a paraphrase of Humpty Dumpty inThrough the Looking Glass. They refer to the attitude of the Conservative-run County Council, whose highways section are, to my mind and that of many colleagues, not fit for purpose. I am not one to sing my own praises, or indeed take photos for the papers. However I think you may have picked on the wrong person to accuse of being lazy and unpopular, as a quick perusal of election results and local issues would have demonstrated.[/p][/quote]Sara, I must confess that I am disappointed to have any elected councillor, no matter what party, that when faced with an urgent safety issue concerning our children crossing outside a school with a prediction that a death is only a matter of time, that said elected councillor, you, quote Humpty Dumpty. It's quite frankly insulting to every taxpayer and particularly the families of the children who are in danger. I can only thank my lucky stars that you are not in any position of authority over this matter if that is your attitude to such issues. You are part of the problem, not the solution. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 7

8:20am Tue 8 Apr 14

johnhornet says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Thank you for the response Sara.

I think that's why more and more people are turning to UKIP.

They are fed up of politicians who waste their time on photo calls and self-publicity while there is urgent work to be done.

They are fed up of their elected politicians not recognising the urgency of works or lifting a finger to make a difference and saying "It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less". - your own words.

Your words show how detached you are from the concerns of the people you represent and demonstrate a "couldn't care less, not my problem" sort of attitude.

We in UKIP are fed up of politicians like you. Our voters agree with us.

The people deserve better.

They are voting UKIP.
No Phil. We electorate are fed up with all politicians. Especially the shouty moany ones. You said you would get it changed. You can't.

For everyone's benefit, the issue of this crossing has gone on for many years. When HCC last replaced it unbelievably they either tried to do it in term time, or actually did - I can't remember.

Sue is right to say that it would appear Hertfordshire Highways are not fit for purpose. Phil Cox or anyone shouting at them isn't going to make a difference. The will has to change at County Hall. As someone who cycles the roads are in a shocking state, and some of the temporary repairs that get done actually make the road worse. Look at the lower part of Bushey Mill Lane - its is a busy road and it is dangerous. I could have made a better repair at the roundabout with a tin of rice pudding and a blowtorch.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Thank you for the response Sara. I think that's why more and more people are turning to UKIP. They are fed up of politicians who waste their time on photo calls and self-publicity while there is urgent work to be done. They are fed up of their elected politicians not recognising the urgency of works or lifting a finger to make a difference and saying "It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less". - your own words. Your words show how detached you are from the concerns of the people you represent and demonstrate a "couldn't care less, not my problem" sort of attitude. We in UKIP are fed up of politicians like you. Our voters agree with us. The people deserve better. They are voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]No Phil. We electorate are fed up with all politicians. Especially the shouty moany ones. You said you would get it changed. You can't. For everyone's benefit, the issue of this crossing has gone on for many years. When HCC last replaced it unbelievably they either tried to do it in term time, or actually did - I can't remember. Sue is right to say that it would appear Hertfordshire Highways are not fit for purpose. Phil Cox or anyone shouting at them isn't going to make a difference. The will has to change at County Hall. As someone who cycles the roads are in a shocking state, and some of the temporary repairs that get done actually make the road worse. Look at the lower part of Bushey Mill Lane - its is a busy road and it is dangerous. I could have made a better repair at the roundabout with a tin of rice pudding and a blowtorch. johnhornet
  • Score: 0

9:13am Tue 8 Apr 14

Sara says...

Anyone who thinks all 77 Councillors shouting about something will make it happen clearly gas no understanding on how to get things done. Those who can, do. Those who can't shout about it on the web site of the local paper.

The future of this crossing is being pursued by two of the most effective local politicians that I know. They (and I) have successfully campaigned for pedestrian crossings elsewhere. We will continue to get on with things.

And why not quote Charles Lutwidge Dodgson? He was a brilliant satirical author and mathematician, who, though an old-fashioned Tory, is so much more worth quoting than Nigel Farage. Take a look at his voting record and that of his fellow UKIP MEPs. Now that IS nonsense that Lewis Carroll would be proud of!
Anyone who thinks all 77 Councillors shouting about something will make it happen clearly gas no understanding on how to get things done. Those who can, do. Those who can't shout about it on the web site of the local paper. The future of this crossing is being pursued by two of the most effective local politicians that I know. They (and I) have successfully campaigned for pedestrian crossings elsewhere. We will continue to get on with things. And why not quote Charles Lutwidge Dodgson? He was a brilliant satirical author and mathematician, who, though an old-fashioned Tory, is so much more worth quoting than Nigel Farage. Take a look at his voting record and that of his fellow UKIP MEPs. Now that IS nonsense that Lewis Carroll would be proud of! Sara
  • Score: -2

10:13am Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

johnhornet wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Thank you for the response Sara.

I think that's why more and more people are turning to UKIP.

They are fed up of politicians who waste their time on photo calls and self-publicity while there is urgent work to be done.

They are fed up of their elected politicians not recognising the urgency of works or lifting a finger to make a difference and saying "It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less". - your own words.

Your words show how detached you are from the concerns of the people you represent and demonstrate a "couldn't care less, not my problem" sort of attitude.

We in UKIP are fed up of politicians like you. Our voters agree with us.

The people deserve better.

They are voting UKIP.
No Phil. We electorate are fed up with all politicians. Especially the shouty moany ones. You said you would get it changed. You can't.

For everyone's benefit, the issue of this crossing has gone on for many years. When HCC last replaced it unbelievably they either tried to do it in term time, or actually did - I can't remember.

Sue is right to say that it would appear Hertfordshire Highways are not fit for purpose. Phil Cox or anyone shouting at them isn't going to make a difference. The will has to change at County Hall. As someone who cycles the roads are in a shocking state, and some of the temporary repairs that get done actually make the road worse. Look at the lower part of Bushey Mill Lane - its is a busy road and it is dangerous. I could have made a better repair at the roundabout with a tin of rice pudding and a blowtorch.
I know what you mean. That's one of the reasons I have offered to stand for Mayor. I just believe there is a better way, and yes, attitudes must change both in councillors and in council.

What I don't like is the acceptance of the status quo. All too often civil servants and councillors will just shrug their shoulders and say "that's just the way it happens, you can't change it". They don't have the vision or the drive to change things for the better. The good job they think they are doing could be done by anyone in their position. They are not making things better, or worse for that matter, just keeping things ticking over.

I will change things for the better if elected. Ok, all I can do at County is bring pressure to bear, but a Mayor can bring pressure to bear like no-one else outside of the county council.

The real changes I will bring about will be at Watford Council and the changes are necessary to give the people the sort of council they deserve and an example for other councils around the council in terms of customer service, openness and prudent management of the finances keeping taxes as low as possible.

I my business I am known for cutting through red tape and getting the job done well for a great price. I will bring those skills to bear at WBC and there will be changes, very noticeable and for the better.

Wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]johnhornet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Thank you for the response Sara. I think that's why more and more people are turning to UKIP. They are fed up of politicians who waste their time on photo calls and self-publicity while there is urgent work to be done. They are fed up of their elected politicians not recognising the urgency of works or lifting a finger to make a difference and saying "It takes as long as the County Council chooses it to take — neither more nor less". - your own words. Your words show how detached you are from the concerns of the people you represent and demonstrate a "couldn't care less, not my problem" sort of attitude. We in UKIP are fed up of politicians like you. Our voters agree with us. The people deserve better. They are voting UKIP.[/p][/quote]No Phil. We electorate are fed up with all politicians. Especially the shouty moany ones. You said you would get it changed. You can't. For everyone's benefit, the issue of this crossing has gone on for many years. When HCC last replaced it unbelievably they either tried to do it in term time, or actually did - I can't remember. Sue is right to say that it would appear Hertfordshire Highways are not fit for purpose. Phil Cox or anyone shouting at them isn't going to make a difference. The will has to change at County Hall. As someone who cycles the roads are in a shocking state, and some of the temporary repairs that get done actually make the road worse. Look at the lower part of Bushey Mill Lane - its is a busy road and it is dangerous. I could have made a better repair at the roundabout with a tin of rice pudding and a blowtorch.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean. That's one of the reasons I have offered to stand for Mayor. I just believe there is a better way, and yes, attitudes must change both in councillors and in council. What I don't like is the acceptance of the status quo. All too often civil servants and councillors will just shrug their shoulders and say "that's just the way it happens, you can't change it". They don't have the vision or the drive to change things for the better. The good job they think they are doing could be done by anyone in their position. They are not making things better, or worse for that matter, just keeping things ticking over. I will change things for the better if elected. Ok, all I can do at County is bring pressure to bear, but a Mayor can bring pressure to bear like no-one else outside of the county council. The real changes I will bring about will be at Watford Council and the changes are necessary to give the people the sort of council they deserve and an example for other councils around the council in terms of customer service, openness and prudent management of the finances keeping taxes as low as possible. I my business I am known for cutting through red tape and getting the job done well for a great price. I will bring those skills to bear at WBC and there will be changes, very noticeable and for the better. Wait and see. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

10:29am Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Anyone who thinks all 77 Councillors shouting about something will make it happen clearly gas no understanding on how to get things done. Those who can, do. Those who can't shout about it on the web site of the local paper.

The future of this crossing is being pursued by two of the most effective local politicians that I know. They (and I) have successfully campaigned for pedestrian crossings elsewhere. We will continue to get on with things.

And why not quote Charles Lutwidge Dodgson? He was a brilliant satirical author and mathematician, who, though an old-fashioned Tory, is so much more worth quoting than Nigel Farage. Take a look at his voting record and that of his fellow UKIP MEPs. Now that IS nonsense that Lewis Carroll would be proud of!
Sara,

you're absolutely right. I am not an elected politician either at WBC or Herts CC so I have no influence at all. YET. Things will change if I become Mayor.

The difference is, you are an elected politician at HCC yet you don't "Do" anything special, you just go with the slow flow. And then you quote humpty dumpty and seem quite proud of the humpty dumpty statement endorsing inaction. Maybe that just sums up LibDems. Happy to go with the flow and live in fairytale land.

Out of interest, who are the "two most effective politicians you know" who are pursuing this? And what do you mean by pursuing? What are they actually doing about it? Specifically.

Are they sitting back reading Humpty Dumpty looking for policies for the next elections. Nick Clegg came out with a few fairy tales didn't he when he held debates with Nigel Farage, but the people saw through his badly scripted arguments and poor Nick took a well-deserved beating. No wonder UKIP is gaining so many votes and the LibDems are sliding down the polls.

I can't wait for May 22nd, feedback on the doorstep so far has been very encouraging in Watford. The LibDems are in for some surprises in May.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Anyone who thinks all 77 Councillors shouting about something will make it happen clearly gas no understanding on how to get things done. Those who can, do. Those who can't shout about it on the web site of the local paper. The future of this crossing is being pursued by two of the most effective local politicians that I know. They (and I) have successfully campaigned for pedestrian crossings elsewhere. We will continue to get on with things. And why not quote Charles Lutwidge Dodgson? He was a brilliant satirical author and mathematician, who, though an old-fashioned Tory, is so much more worth quoting than Nigel Farage. Take a look at his voting record and that of his fellow UKIP MEPs. Now that IS nonsense that Lewis Carroll would be proud of![/p][/quote]Sara, you're absolutely right. I am not an elected politician either at WBC or Herts CC so I have no influence at all. YET. Things will change if I become Mayor. The difference is, you are an elected politician at HCC yet you don't "Do" anything special, you just go with the slow flow. And then you quote humpty dumpty and seem quite proud of the humpty dumpty statement endorsing inaction. Maybe that just sums up LibDems. Happy to go with the flow and live in fairytale land. Out of interest, who are the "two most effective politicians you know" who are pursuing this? And what do you mean by pursuing? What are they actually doing about it? Specifically. Are they sitting back reading Humpty Dumpty looking for policies for the next elections. Nick Clegg came out with a few fairy tales didn't he when he held debates with Nigel Farage, but the people saw through his badly scripted arguments and poor Nick took a well-deserved beating. No wonder UKIP is gaining so many votes and the LibDems are sliding down the polls. I can't wait for May 22nd, feedback on the doorstep so far has been very encouraging in Watford. The LibDems are in for some surprises in May. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

10:46am Tue 8 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

One of the biggest mistakes was when many years back, in the interests of 'efficiency', responsibility for all the highways was moved from local council to county. It was one of those ideas that looked financially good on paper but has been a disaster for common sense.

The people who are best placed to sort out local road issues are those that use them regularly and can see for themselves when something is wrong. The problem now though when you try to get something done about it.

County is too remote and it has hundreds of action requests from all over Hertfordshire. The people who work in the highways department will not know Watford intimately in the way the people who live here do. I don't know how they prioritise work, but Watford is just one small corner fighting for resources against all other towns. It's all too big.

This crossing issue is a case in point. If Watford had control of its own roads sorting it would be a very short process because everyone would be local and fully understand the problem. A temporary solution followed by a more permanent one could almost have been worked out and agreed in a day. Instead we have a much more laborious bureaucratic process to wade through requiring a thousand signature petition just to get anyone to take serious notice!

What is needed is for the government to give control of local roads back to local councils. Yes, it will be more costly, but given the gargantuan amount of money that the government extracts from us all through Road Tax, Petrol Duty, Parking etc., it is not unreasonable for us all to expect that we have a system where a dangerous pothole is fixed within hours of it being reported. Even moreso, where a clear threat exists to the safety of our children shouldn't we have a right to expect immediate action?
One of the biggest mistakes was when many years back, in the interests of 'efficiency', responsibility for all the highways was moved from local council to county. It was one of those ideas that looked financially good on paper but has been a disaster for common sense. The people who are best placed to sort out local road issues are those that use them regularly and can see for themselves when something is wrong. The problem now though when you try to get something done about it. County is too remote and it has hundreds of action requests from all over Hertfordshire. The people who work in the highways department will not know Watford intimately in the way the people who live here do. I don't know how they prioritise work, but Watford is just one small corner fighting for resources against all other towns. It's all too big. This crossing issue is a case in point. If Watford had control of its own roads sorting it would be a very short process because everyone would be local and fully understand the problem. A temporary solution followed by a more permanent one could almost have been worked out and agreed in a day. Instead we have a much more laborious bureaucratic process to wade through requiring a thousand signature petition just to get anyone to take serious notice! What is needed is for the government to give control of local roads back to local councils. Yes, it will be more costly, but given the gargantuan amount of money that the government extracts from us all through Road Tax, Petrol Duty, Parking etc., it is not unreasonable for us all to expect that we have a system where a dangerous pothole is fixed within hours of it being reported. Even moreso, where a clear threat exists to the safety of our children shouldn't we have a right to expect immediate action? D_Penn
  • Score: 0

11:23am Tue 8 Apr 14

Sara says...

No I don't 'go with the flow'. I get things done. Go and look at pedestrian crossings in Bedmond Road and Hazelwood Lane (both by schools), Gallows Hill Lane (by park and on route to two schools), Tibbs Hill Road, College Road (by park and play area) Station Road and Primrose Hill (by play area and on route to school). All installed thanks to campaigns which I either led or played a major part. And crossings are only a small part of what I (and other effective councillors) do.

I had a comment sent to me in direct response to your comment from a local resident who is politically aware but certainly no Lib Dem. He said "I think it is a bit of a cheek for a UKIP guy to attack you. He is talking from a position of total ignorance and arrogance. He obviously has no idea of how much work you do." Several other residents with no political affiliation have emailed me privately along the same lines. I'm happy with that. I don't do it for votes. I do it for the community.
No I don't 'go with the flow'. I get things done. Go and look at pedestrian crossings in Bedmond Road and Hazelwood Lane (both by schools), Gallows Hill Lane (by park and on route to two schools), Tibbs Hill Road, College Road (by park and play area) Station Road and Primrose Hill (by play area and on route to school). All installed thanks to campaigns which I either led or played a major part. And crossings are only a small part of what I (and other effective councillors) do. I had a comment sent to me in direct response to your comment from a local resident who is politically aware but certainly no Lib Dem. He said "I think it is a bit of a cheek for a UKIP guy to attack you. He is talking from a position of total ignorance and arrogance. He obviously has no idea of how much work you do." Several other residents with no political affiliation have emailed me privately along the same lines. I'm happy with that. I don't do it for votes. I do it for the community. Sara
  • Score: -1

3:05pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara

so who are the dynamic duo you mentioned earlier?

I have equally had feedback from a great many residents in response to the LibDem council and Mayor in Watford that it's no use opposing them on any issue, they do not listen and they just do what they want. Over the years that statement has become more and more true. That's why we need a UKIP Mayor and council that works for the people.

UKIP - a different and better way of doing council business.

Vote UKIP and see the difference in how quickly urgent things get done and how much better value for money we achieve.

You say you do not do it for votes but for the community.

You're not a campaigner though, you are a paid officer of the council. You receive payment and if I'm not mistaken a pension as well.

Out of interest how much do you an Giles make each year from your councillor appointments?
Sara so who are the dynamic duo you mentioned earlier? I have equally had feedback from a great many residents in response to the LibDem council and Mayor in Watford that it's no use opposing them on any issue, they do not listen and they just do what they want. Over the years that statement has become more and more true. That's why we need a UKIP Mayor and council that works for the people. UKIP - a different and better way of doing council business. Vote UKIP and see the difference in how quickly urgent things get done and how much better value for money we achieve. You say you do not do it for votes but for the community. You're not a campaigner though, you are a paid officer of the council. You receive payment and if I'm not mistaken a pension as well. Out of interest how much do you an Giles make each year from your councillor appointments? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

3:34pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sara says...

I'm actually not a paid officer of the council. I'm a councillor. There's a difference and technically I'm not paid. The allowances I receive are a natter of public record. For sitting on three councils, I receive less than £1k a month after actual expenses are paid.

I don't have a pension and I don't have the time to have any other form of paid employment or other income, although I do have unpaid work outside the home. Any 'freebies' I receive that are of value to me are either given away or I make an equivalent payment to a local charity.

You don't get rich being a councillor, but if I didn't receive an allowance, I'd struggle to do the job. It's a hypothetical question, but are you planning to be an unpaid Mayor?
I'm actually not a paid officer of the council. I'm a councillor. There's a difference and technically I'm not paid. The allowances I receive are a natter of public record. For sitting on three councils, I receive less than £1k a month after actual expenses are paid. I don't have a pension and I don't have the time to have any other form of paid employment or other income, although I do have unpaid work outside the home. Any 'freebies' I receive that are of value to me are either given away or I make an equivalent payment to a local charity. You don't get rich being a councillor, but if I didn't receive an allowance, I'd struggle to do the job. It's a hypothetical question, but are you planning to be an unpaid Mayor? Sara
  • Score: -1

3:54pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
I'm actually not a paid officer of the council. I'm a councillor. There's a difference and technically I'm not paid. The allowances I receive are a natter of public record. For sitting on three councils, I receive less than £1k a month after actual expenses are paid.

I don't have a pension and I don't have the time to have any other form of paid employment or other income, although I do have unpaid work outside the home. Any 'freebies' I receive that are of value to me are either given away or I make an equivalent payment to a local charity.

You don't get rich being a councillor, but if I didn't receive an allowance, I'd struggle to do the job. It's a hypothetical question, but are you planning to be an unpaid Mayor?
I will ask you again Sara.

How much (Gross) do you receive per year from your roles in the councils you sit on?

How much more do you claim in expenses per year on top of your allowances?

I think it is important that the voters know how much they pay you and how much in expenses you claim.

There is nothing to be ashamed at by being paid to do such a role. Many people would be grateful for the extra income it brings in.

Some voters in full-time jobs will be surprised to learn they could earn more by being a councillor like you than working full-time for a living.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I'm actually not a paid officer of the council. I'm a councillor. There's a difference and technically I'm not paid. The allowances I receive are a natter of public record. For sitting on three councils, I receive less than £1k a month after actual expenses are paid. I don't have a pension and I don't have the time to have any other form of paid employment or other income, although I do have unpaid work outside the home. Any 'freebies' I receive that are of value to me are either given away or I make an equivalent payment to a local charity. You don't get rich being a councillor, but if I didn't receive an allowance, I'd struggle to do the job. It's a hypothetical question, but are you planning to be an unpaid Mayor?[/p][/quote]I will ask you again Sara. How much (Gross) do you receive per year from your roles in the councils you sit on? How much more do you claim in expenses per year on top of your allowances? I think it is important that the voters know how much they pay you and how much in expenses you claim. There is nothing to be ashamed at by being paid to do such a role. Many people would be grateful for the extra income it brings in. Some voters in full-time jobs will be surprised to learn they could earn more by being a councillor like you than working full-time for a living. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

4:05pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sara says...

Gross figures are available online, but they are misleading as I pay things like almost all of my petrol, all my car wear and tear, telephone calls, stationery etc from those allowances. I don't usually claim expenses, but this year I've claimed about £300, because I had to attend a lot of information sessions at County Hall I also claimed as a one off for some travel to Manchester for a training programme.

I am sure you would not want me to mislead you. I reckon the amount I have left is below minimum wage. Am I bothered? No,it's a privilege and I am fortunate to be able to do it.
Gross figures are available online, but they are misleading as I pay things like almost all of my petrol, all my car wear and tear, telephone calls, stationery etc from those allowances. I don't usually claim expenses, but this year I've claimed about £300, because I had to attend a lot of information sessions at County Hall I also claimed as a one off for some travel to Manchester for a training programme. I am sure you would not want me to mislead you. I reckon the amount I have left is below minimum wage. Am I bothered? No,it's a privilege and I am fortunate to be able to do it. Sara
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara,

I don't know if you want us to feel sorry for you, having to pay for your own petrol and having wear and tear on your car, so really you don't earn all that much after all from what I assume is a part-time job.

Some politicians seem to forget that most other workers also pay these things out of their wages. It's what normal people do. I do and have done all my working life.

You are describing the things normal people do in their everyday lives, yet you describe it like it is some sort of special case because you are a politician. It's a different mindset with some politicians. A sense of entitlement that normal people do not have.

How long is it since you did a proper job, I mean a full-time one? One where you had to pay your own travel expenses and for your own food?

I know the figures for councillors are online, but wouldn't it just be easier if you came clean and told us what you earn from being a councillor and what you claim in expenses? Gross. Before wear and tear on your car?

The way you are avoiding the question raises a further question of why one earth wouldn't you just answer a straight question with a straight answer? Is there something you would rather we do not know?

Now then Sara, how much, gross do you pull in from being a councillor? It's a straight question.

One further thing, a trip to the HCC website shows that you should be earning a pension to do with your councillor status. Why did you deny it?

For anyone interested in these things, councillors get a basic but often generous allowance and can then claim expenses and further allowances depending on what roles they play on the council. Without knowing what Sara does on the councils it would be difficult to work out exactly what she pulls in with any degree of accuracy.

Sara on the other hand could tell us because she would know the figure but she is being rather reticent about it. It's not a state secret, I could do a Freedom of Information request, so why will she not save the council the time and trouble by just telling us?

I will be very happy to publish how much I earn as Mayor and what expenses I claim. I think this sort of information should be readily available to taxpayers so they know whether their councillor is value for money or just milking the system.
Sara, I don't know if you want us to feel sorry for you, having to pay for your own petrol and having wear and tear on your car, so really you don't earn all that much after all from what I assume is a part-time job. Some politicians seem to forget that most other workers also pay these things out of their wages. It's what normal people do. I do and have done all my working life. You are describing the things normal people do in their everyday lives, yet you describe it like it is some sort of special case because you are a politician. It's a different mindset with some politicians. A sense of entitlement that normal people do not have. How long is it since you did a proper job, I mean a full-time one? One where you had to pay your own travel expenses and for your own food? I know the figures for councillors are online, but wouldn't it just be easier if you came clean and told us what you earn from being a councillor and what you claim in expenses? Gross. Before wear and tear on your car? The way you are avoiding the question raises a further question of why one earth wouldn't you just answer a straight question with a straight answer? Is there something you would rather we do not know? Now then Sara, how much, gross do you pull in from being a councillor? It's a straight question. One further thing, a trip to the HCC website shows that you should be earning a pension to do with your councillor status. Why did you deny it? For anyone interested in these things, councillors get a basic but often generous allowance and can then claim expenses and further allowances depending on what roles they play on the council. Without knowing what Sara does on the councils it would be difficult to work out exactly what she pulls in with any degree of accuracy. Sara on the other hand could tell us because she would know the figure but she is being rather reticent about it. It's not a state secret, I could do a Freedom of Information request, so why will she not save the council the time and trouble by just telling us? I will be very happy to publish how much I earn as Mayor and what expenses I claim. I think this sort of information should be readily available to taxpayers so they know whether their councillor is value for money or just milking the system. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 6

7:17pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sara says...

Anyone can look up the figures. Everything is already published on the councils' web sites. No need to be over dramatic about FOI. I simply don't have them to hand.

I had full-time jobs in the private sector with blue chips for many years before I gave up full-tine paid employment to become a mother. I then returned to full-time employment in 2007, before losing my job in 2010 when the company I worked for went out of business in the recession. Since that time, my husband's job has regularly taken him away from home, so I am back at home for a bit.

As for expenses, when I worked in the private sector, I didn't pay for the calls I made on the phone on my desk, nor for the paper in my printer or the travel to see customers away from the office, nor would I expect to do so now. Almost all my mileage is on council business.
Anyone can look up the figures. Everything is already published on the councils' web sites. No need to be over dramatic about FOI. I simply don't have them to hand. I had full-time jobs in the private sector with blue chips for many years before I gave up full-tine paid employment to become a mother. I then returned to full-time employment in 2007, before losing my job in 2010 when the company I worked for went out of business in the recession. Since that time, my husband's job has regularly taken him away from home, so I am back at home for a bit. As for expenses, when I worked in the private sector, I didn't pay for the calls I made on the phone on my desk, nor for the paper in my printer or the travel to see customers away from the office, nor would I expect to do so now. Almost all my mileage is on council business. Sara
  • Score: -4

8:48pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

You work for us, the taxpayer. Why will you not tell us how much we pay you?

To the nearest £1000 will do, you don't have to be exact.

I find it very hard to believe you do not know how much you take from the public purse for being a councillor.
You work for us, the taxpayer. Why will you not tell us how much we pay you? To the nearest £1000 will do, you don't have to be exact. I find it very hard to believe you do not know how much you take from the public purse for being a councillor. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 6

8:54pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sara says...

I do not keep a check on gross amounts. They are all published online as I said.
I do not keep a check on gross amounts. They are all published online as I said. Sara
  • Score: -4

9:09pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara,

please tell me where I can look online for the gross amounts you took from each of the councils you are serving on.

Please be helpful and not evasive.
Sara, please tell me where I can look online for the gross amounts you took from each of the councils you are serving on. Please be helpful and not evasive. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

10:44pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Sara says...

I don't know. I am not your researcher. Just because I am not willing to look things up at your whim for you doesn't make me evasive.
I don't know. I am not your researcher. Just because I am not willing to look things up at your whim for you doesn't make me evasive. Sara
  • Score: -3

11:48pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

When I had a salary from an employer, I knew exactly how much I was earning each year.

I am not sure I have come across anyone other than you who does not know how much they earn from paid employment.

Evasive? I will let readers read your earlier posts where you started off "doing it for the good of the community" and have spent all the time since trying to avoid declaring how much you actually take from the public purse.

You have about as much credibility as Nick Clegg.

It's clear you are not going to let people know how much you take from the public purse each year for your work as a LibDem councillor.

I'll ask you another two questions.

They cover Watford and I know that you do not cover Watford, but you are a LibDem and there are principles involved here.

1. What do you think about the Mayor making a misleading statement on council tax amounts - giving a figure of £4 to £6 per week for Watford Council tax, dependent on what band you are in, "yes, it really is only that much" crows the Mayor, when the true figure is £3.11 to £9.58 per week, a whole 60% more than she said.

2. What do you think about a council using taxpayers money to produce official annual reports that amount to little more than LibDem publicity booklets? Should the council be spending public money promoting one political party?

I would be interested to see if we get a straight answer from you on those issues Sara. It's about right and wrong, forget the Watford angle.
When I had a salary from an employer, I knew exactly how much I was earning each year. I am not sure I have come across anyone other than you who does not know how much they earn from paid employment. Evasive? I will let readers read your earlier posts where you started off "doing it for the good of the community" and have spent all the time since trying to avoid declaring how much you actually take from the public purse. You have about as much credibility as Nick Clegg. It's clear you are not going to let people know how much you take from the public purse each year for your work as a LibDem councillor. I'll ask you another two questions. They cover Watford and I know that you do not cover Watford, but you are a LibDem and there are principles involved here. 1. What do you think about the Mayor making a misleading statement on council tax amounts - giving a figure of £4 to £6 per week for Watford Council tax, dependent on what band you are in, "yes, it really is only that much" crows the Mayor, when the true figure is £3.11 to £9.58 per week, a whole 60% more than she said. 2. What do you think about a council using taxpayers money to produce official annual reports that amount to little more than LibDem publicity booklets? Should the council be spending public money promoting one political party? I would be interested to see if we get a straight answer from you on those issues Sara. It's about right and wrong, forget the Watford angle. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

2:35pm Wed 9 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Common sense would say that this crossing should be examined quickly by traffic and safety experts. It should be the top priority of the councils to do so where such a risk has been identified.

Common sense then goes on to say that if found dangerous, as it seems is the case, then action should be taken as a matter of urgency to fix the problem. Again, the top priority.

If I were Mayor I would be taking action immediately to resolve this issue and push for a solution without delay.

If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so.

To other schools and parents in the future, don't bother getting a petition in future, it just delays things, just come straight to me, no messing around we will just do what is necessary. As for cost, if it needs doing then it needs doing and the funds must be found and the works not delayed for financial reasons.

I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction.

This should be resolved before the elections. If it is not, come and see me and it will be resolved very shortly afterwards.

Safety on our streets must be a top priority for the council and the Mayor. As a father it is one of my top priorities and I will not allow delays where child safety is at stake.
What authority does WBC have over the highways?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Common sense would say that this crossing should be examined quickly by traffic and safety experts. It should be the top priority of the councils to do so where such a risk has been identified. Common sense then goes on to say that if found dangerous, as it seems is the case, then action should be taken as a matter of urgency to fix the problem. Again, the top priority. If I were Mayor I would be taking action immediately to resolve this issue and push for a solution without delay. If nothing is done before May and I am elected as Mayor, I invite the school and or parents to come to see me and you will have my full backing to take this forward at lightning speed. You will be surprised how quickly things can move if there is a political will to do so. To other schools and parents in the future, don't bother getting a petition in future, it just delays things, just come straight to me, no messing around we will just do what is necessary. As for cost, if it needs doing then it needs doing and the funds must be found and the works not delayed for financial reasons. I would be horrified as Mayor to find such a situation has turned to tragedy due to my and my councils inaction. This should be resolved before the elections. If it is not, come and see me and it will be resolved very shortly afterwards. Safety on our streets must be a top priority for the council and the Mayor. As a father it is one of my top priorities and I will not allow delays where child safety is at stake.[/p][/quote]What authority does WBC have over the highways? CaptainPC
  • Score: 0

9:21pm Wed 9 Apr 14

feliuk says...

Well it's news to me about Dorothy speaking to residents and I live outside the crossing!! As for the petition as far as I knew it was the parents (one of my neighbours) that were collecting the signatures. It's a bit rich of lib dems taking claim for anything done on this crossing or to be done. I remember speaking to councillors years ago with nothing done, I have been saying for years to whoever would listen that someone was going to die. I am glad something will be done, but very, very late on. Councillors always seemed more interested in doing up the road south of the crossing, ie doing the roundabouts, marking the road, etc,etc while where there are 2 schools nothing?
Little moan over now back to the crossing I'm no fan of 20MPH on main roads, what we needed here is proper signage on road and lamp posts of schools and blind bend coming up. And in my opinion 2 roundabouts at parkgate road and northfield gardens would also slow cars down.
Also teaching the parents to actually cross at the crossing and not by parkgate road or northfield gardens would help.
Whatever is done will be better that it is now, but no political party should take credit for something that has been very overdue.
Well it's news to me about Dorothy speaking to residents and I live outside the crossing!! As for the petition as far as I knew it was the parents (one of my neighbours) that were collecting the signatures. It's a bit rich of lib dems taking claim for anything done on this crossing or to be done. I remember speaking to councillors years ago with nothing done, I have been saying for years to whoever would listen that someone was going to die. I am glad something will be done, but very, very late on. Councillors always seemed more interested in doing up the road south of the crossing, ie doing the roundabouts, marking the road, etc,etc while where there are 2 schools nothing? Little moan over now back to the crossing I'm no fan of 20MPH on main roads, what we needed here is proper signage on road and lamp posts of schools and blind bend coming up. And in my opinion 2 roundabouts at parkgate road and northfield gardens would also slow cars down. Also teaching the parents to actually cross at the crossing and not by parkgate road or northfield gardens would help. Whatever is done will be better that it is now, but no political party should take credit for something that has been very overdue. feliuk
  • Score: 0

12:05am Thu 10 Apr 14

Roger Joslyn says...

Phi Cox & Sara......you are the reason why people don't bother to go and vote. I will this year though, for Labour, as it is neither UKIP or Lib.

Try not to hijack the thread . It is very boring and quite childish tbh.
Phi Cox & Sara......you are the reason why people don't bother to go and vote. I will this year though, for Labour, as it is neither UKIP or Lib. Try not to hijack the thread . It is very boring and quite childish tbh. Roger Joslyn
  • Score: -1

12:19am Thu 10 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

Roger Joslyn wrote:
Phi Cox & Sara......you are the reason why people don't bother to go and vote. I will this year though, for Labour, as it is neither UKIP or Lib. Try not to hijack the thread . It is very boring and quite childish tbh.
Whatever you choose to do at local elections please, don't vote Labour when the General Election comes. Britain will not survive economically another five years of Labour mismanagement. People have such short memories. Have they already forgotten the total disaster Brown caused that we are all still paying for today? Who were his close advisors at the time? Milliband and Balls. God help us all if they get their hands on the levers of power!
[quote][p][bold]Roger Joslyn[/bold] wrote: Phi Cox & Sara......you are the reason why people don't bother to go and vote. I will this year though, for Labour, as it is neither UKIP or Lib. Try not to hijack the thread . It is very boring and quite childish tbh.[/p][/quote]Whatever you choose to do at local elections please, don't vote Labour when the General Election comes. Britain will not survive economically another five years of Labour mismanagement. People have such short memories. Have they already forgotten the total disaster Brown caused that we are all still paying for today? Who were his close advisors at the time? Milliband and Balls. God help us all if they get their hands on the levers of power! D_Penn
  • Score: 0

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