Croxley Rail Link: plans revealed for 'unobtrusive' glow in the dark tube station

Watford Observer: Croxley Rail Link: plans revealed for 'unobtrusive' glow in the dark tube station Croxley Rail Link: plans revealed for 'unobtrusive' glow in the dark tube station

One of the new Croxley Rail Link tube station in West Watford will glow in the dark and act as a "beacon" for the area, according to the designing architect.

Michael Watkins, from Acanthus LW Architects, told politicians the Cassiobridge station, which will be elevated above Ascot Road, would be made of material which would illuminate.

He also told Watford Council’s development control committee that the station had would be built from light, fine materials so it did not have an intrusive presence.

The Cassiobridge station will be more prominent that the other new tube station in Vicarage Road, which will be at ground level.

As the Cassiobridge station connects with the viaduct, which comes over the Grand Union Canal, the platforms will be raised above Ascot Road.

Watford Observer:

Explaining the design, Mr Watkins said: "What I have attempted to do all the time with this very large structure is to make it as fine and small and as the least intrusive as possible".

"It is a beacon in the sense it is a fairly large structure and will glow at night."

The new stations are being built as part of the Croxley Rail Link will see the Metropolitan Line routed to Watford Junction station.

The proposed route will see the line go from Croxley station, through the two new stations in Ascot Road and Vicarage Road, before connecting with Watford High Street Station and then terminating at Watford Junction.

As part of the project, which is expected to be finished by 2016, Watford Metropolitan Station will close to passengers and be used as a siding.

The Cassiobridge station is due to be built on an island between the old and new Ascot Roads, near Morrisons.

The design shows that the green-tinted station and its platforms will be elevated above street level.

In documents submitted to the council, officers said: "Given its modern design and use of lightweight materials it will have a positive impact upon the character of the area.

"Overall, the layout, scale and external appearance of the building is considered to be acceptable." 

The main elements will include a new entrance concourse, new staircases and lifts giving step-free access to platforms, new platforms and canopies, plant rooms, and bridge over old Ascot Road.

As well as the station building itself, the proposal also includes the station platforms which will extend eastward towards West-field College School.

Officers concluded the building will have "a positive impact" upon the character and appearance of the area due to its modern design and use of high quality materials.

The Vicarage Road Station site will be located about 220 metres from the road junction with Hagden Lane.

Watford Observer:

The grey station is designed to be set back from the road to allow a forecourt area to the front for circulation space and to provide bicycle storage.

Officers say the station would appear single storey in height when viewed from Vicarage Road and that, as there are a number of three and four storey blocks of flats nearby, the station’s scale is considered to be acceptable.

The station will also have staircases which will lead from the concourse down to platforms on each side of the track and there will also be lifts to serve each platform.

Watford’s part of the viaduct will run from the centre of the River Gade to the East Abutment.

The viaduct will pass into Croxley Green and must also obtain permission by Three Rivers District Council.

During the meeting, Nigel Bell a Labour councillor for Holywell area, said he welcomed the fact Cassiobridge station would glow at night, especially in light of the fact streetlights cut out a midnight.

Councillor George Derbyshire, a Liberal Democrat for the Park area, noted that there was due to be a multi-storey car park at the Cassiobridge station but no extra parking proposed for the Vicarage Road one.

He added: "I am wondering what is being done to protect people around Vicarage Road, as it is quite densely populated area, from all day commuter parking?"

However Councillor Derbyshire was told that this meeting was only to decide the design of the stations and those issues would be addressed at later meetings.

Councillors voted all four applications for the rail link through unanimously.

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5:36pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - isn't there a building just like this at the boys grammar school on ricky road? I suppose it saved the architects the bother of coming up with something original. The whole scheme including the viaduct and the other stations look to have been designed by an accountant.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - isn't there a building just like this at the boys grammar school on ricky road? I suppose it saved the architects the bother of coming up with something original. The whole scheme including the viaduct and the other stations look to have been designed by an accountant. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -5

5:55pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I have never seen two glow-in-the-dark shipping containers stacked one on top of the other before.

I hope it looks better in real life.
I have never seen two glow-in-the-dark shipping containers stacked one on top of the other before. I hope it looks better in real life. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -5

6:15pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Strontium90 says...

My garden shed looks bigger than the glowing station!
My garden shed looks bigger than the glowing station! Strontium90
  • Score: -1

7:00pm Fri 4 Apr 14

gangerman says...

"He added: "I am wondering what is being done to protect people around Vicarage Road, as it is quite densely populated area, from all day commuter parking?" Were you being serious Mr. Derbyshire, Creeping Parking Zone on the way.
"He added: "I am wondering what is being done to protect people around Vicarage Road, as it is quite densely populated area, from all day commuter parking?" Were you being serious Mr. Derbyshire, Creeping Parking Zone on the way. gangerman
  • Score: 1

8:28pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Nat On The Field says...

Ah you miserable lot! It looks exciting! It's a tube station not a theatre!
I personally can't wait to see it. It'll be far better to look at than what's there at the moment.

Can't someone find something positive to say?
Ah you miserable lot! It looks exciting! It's a tube station not a theatre! I personally can't wait to see it. It'll be far better to look at than what's there at the moment. Can't someone find something positive to say? Nat On The Field
  • Score: 11

8:42pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Tizer001 says...

It's brilliant the tubes coming Watford Junction way, Cassiobridge station plans look great :)
It's brilliant the tubes coming Watford Junction way, Cassiobridge station plans look great :) Tizer001
  • Score: 13

9:35pm Fri 4 Apr 14

PedroHornet says...

Is this another (belated) WO April Fools joke or the first station to be made up of shipping containers as already hinted at.
Is this another (belated) WO April Fools joke or the first station to be made up of shipping containers as already hinted at. PedroHornet
  • Score: -2

10:33pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

PedroHornet wrote:
Is this another (belated) WO April Fools joke or the first station to be made up of shipping containers as already hinted at.
Let’s face it this building resembles a nuclear power plant , a factory and humans are just an intrusion – an appendage - and modern architects wonder why the public decry their profession with it’s general lack of human-scale.

This building represents the market forces that result in a race to the bottom and it is an outward symbol of what they think of the local people and Watford as Lowry as this building will devour and burn any forms that resonate with beauty.

We deserve far better.
[quote][p][bold]PedroHornet[/bold] wrote: Is this another (belated) WO April Fools joke or the first station to be made up of shipping containers as already hinted at.[/p][/quote]Let’s face it this building resembles a nuclear power plant , a factory and humans are just an intrusion – an appendage - and modern architects wonder why the public decry their profession with it’s general lack of human-scale. This building represents the market forces that result in a race to the bottom and it is an outward symbol of what they think of the local people and Watford as Lowry as this building will devour and burn any forms that resonate with beauty. We deserve far better. Cuetip
  • Score: 6

12:45am Sat 5 Apr 14

TRT says...

"The station will also have staircases which will lead from the concourse down to platforms on each side of the track and there will also be lifts to serve each platform."

Well, I'm glad they considered a way to get to the trains...
"The station will also have staircases which will lead from the concourse down to platforms on each side of the track and there will also be lifts to serve each platform." Well, I'm glad they considered a way to get to the trains... TRT
  • Score: 9

7:12am Sat 5 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

Exactly what material is being used to create the glow-in-the-dark effect?
It used to be possible to buy clocks and watches that glowed in the dark.
The material employed was radioactive and it was the decay that glowed.
Is the building being painted with radioactive paint of some sort?
If it is, this could have very serious health implications for all concerned.
While the initial project involves a single story structure, what is there to stop the height being increased in future?
George Derbyshire has raised a significant point when asking about the parking arrangements for the Vicarage Road station.
Based on maps produced at the West Watford flood plain housing estate consultation event, I could not see how the station would be accessed.
In both cases - it seems to me - we are all being asked to buy into proverbial pigs in pokes, without having any properly detailed maps and schematics to refer to before agreeing to interim measure being taken.
I consider this situation to be wholly unsatisfactory.
We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid.
If we don't, we will all find our elected representatives acing in haste but we local residents will be the ones who will end up repenting at leisure.
Exactly what material is being used to create the glow-in-the-dark effect? It used to be possible to buy clocks and watches that glowed in the dark. The material employed was radioactive and it was the decay that glowed. Is the building being painted with radioactive paint of some sort? If it is, this could have very serious health implications for all concerned. While the initial project involves a single story structure, what is there to stop the height being increased in future? George Derbyshire has raised a significant point when asking about the parking arrangements for the Vicarage Road station. Based on maps produced at the West Watford flood plain housing estate consultation event, I could not see how the station would be accessed. In both cases - it seems to me - we are all being asked to buy into proverbial pigs in pokes, without having any properly detailed maps and schematics to refer to before agreeing to interim measure being taken. I consider this situation to be wholly unsatisfactory. We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid. If we don't, we will all find our elected representatives acing in haste but we local residents will be the ones who will end up repenting at leisure. John Dowdle
  • Score: -3

11:40am Sat 5 Apr 14

doggydo says...

For christs's sake, what a hideous aesthetic abortion! Why not design something that's pleasing to the eye and enhances people's lives through its unobtrusive beauty? That glow in the dark piece of corrugated iron is pure visual filth. Please don't do it.
For christs's sake, what a hideous aesthetic abortion! Why not design something that's pleasing to the eye and enhances people's lives through its unobtrusive beauty? That glow in the dark piece of corrugated iron is pure visual filth. Please don't do it. doggydo
  • Score: 4

11:44am Sat 5 Apr 14

LocalBoy1 says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Exactly what material is being used to create the glow-in-the-dark effect?
It used to be possible to buy clocks and watches that glowed in the dark.
The material employed was radioactive and it was the decay that glowed.
Is the building being painted with radioactive paint of some sort?
If it is, this could have very serious health implications for all concerned.
While the initial project involves a single story structure, what is there to stop the height being increased in future?
George Derbyshire has raised a significant point when asking about the parking arrangements for the Vicarage Road station.
Based on maps produced at the West Watford flood plain housing estate consultation event, I could not see how the station would be accessed.
In both cases - it seems to me - we are all being asked to buy into proverbial pigs in pokes, without having any properly detailed maps and schematics to refer to before agreeing to interim measure being taken.
I consider this situation to be wholly unsatisfactory.
We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid.
If we don't, we will all find our elected representatives acing in haste but we local residents will be the ones who will end up repenting at leisure.
"We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid" That's the point JD there doesn't appear to be any bricks. It looks like it's going to be along the lines of the revolting Big Yellow and Purple structures and monstrosities at the bottom of Whippendell Road.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: Exactly what material is being used to create the glow-in-the-dark effect? It used to be possible to buy clocks and watches that glowed in the dark. The material employed was radioactive and it was the decay that glowed. Is the building being painted with radioactive paint of some sort? If it is, this could have very serious health implications for all concerned. While the initial project involves a single story structure, what is there to stop the height being increased in future? George Derbyshire has raised a significant point when asking about the parking arrangements for the Vicarage Road station. Based on maps produced at the West Watford flood plain housing estate consultation event, I could not see how the station would be accessed. In both cases - it seems to me - we are all being asked to buy into proverbial pigs in pokes, without having any properly detailed maps and schematics to refer to before agreeing to interim measure being taken. I consider this situation to be wholly unsatisfactory. We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid. If we don't, we will all find our elected representatives acing in haste but we local residents will be the ones who will end up repenting at leisure.[/p][/quote]"We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid" That's the point JD there doesn't appear to be any bricks. It looks like it's going to be along the lines of the revolting Big Yellow and Purple structures and monstrosities at the bottom of Whippendell Road. LocalBoy1
  • Score: 2

12:02pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

The old London stations are elegant and timeless.

In a race to the bottom, this architect has truly plumbed the depths.
The old London stations are elegant and timeless. In a race to the bottom, this architect has truly plumbed the depths. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -4

12:27pm Sat 5 Apr 14

TRT says...

Hmm... an unobtrusive beacon... wouldn't that be an oxymoron?
Hmm... an unobtrusive beacon... wouldn't that be an oxymoron? TRT
  • Score: 12

12:39pm Sat 5 Apr 14

pepsiman says...

Cool
Cool pepsiman
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Sat 5 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

The opening comment here that it looks just like the Music School in front of Watford Boys is spot on.

I know this stuff is subjective, but to me the horrific pale green cube that was dumped in front of the school was an act of sabotage that has totally ruined the glorious facade of a Grade Two listed building.

I had truly hoped never to see its like again anywhere in the world but then painfully, I opened this page to see its clone staring out at me being touted as the new Cassiobridge station.

The architect Michael Watkins 'sell' about its illumination is exactly the same comment that was applied to the Music School design. He no doubt hopes to get an award for this new monstosity like the Music School did. You can make your own mind up about that award it looks if you go here...

http://www.reglit.co
m/news/Watford_Award
.htm

Why anyone would award ugliness on this scale is beyond me. The new station will look as bad so I hope for the sake of the residents living near the new station that a complete redesign otakes place and a new architect is brought in to concentrate on beauty rather than collecting himself an award from the modern art fanatics. My advice is fight now, for God's sake, or you will be forced to live permanenty with a ghastly eyesore on your doorstep.
The opening comment here that it looks just like the Music School in front of Watford Boys is spot on. I know this stuff is subjective, but to me the horrific pale green cube that was dumped in front of the school was an act of sabotage that has totally ruined the glorious facade of a Grade Two listed building. I had truly hoped never to see its like again anywhere in the world but then painfully, I opened this page to see its clone staring out at me being touted as the new Cassiobridge station. The architect Michael Watkins 'sell' about its illumination is exactly the same comment that was applied to the Music School design. He no doubt hopes to get an award for this new monstosity like the Music School did. You can make your own mind up about that award it looks if you go here... http://www.reglit.co m/news/Watford_Award .htm Why anyone would award ugliness on this scale is beyond me. The new station will look as bad so I hope for the sake of the residents living near the new station that a complete redesign otakes place and a new architect is brought in to concentrate on beauty rather than collecting himself an award from the modern art fanatics. My advice is fight now, for God's sake, or you will be forced to live permanenty with a ghastly eyesore on your doorstep. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

1:46pm Sat 5 Apr 14

jag000 says...

As far as I can see, the designs for the stations are in line with the current designs for new tube stations. If you look at relatively new elevated stations on the network such as Wood Lane, on the Hammersmith and City and Circle Lines, you would see that TFL are currently opting for relatively simple structures that fit neatly around the viaducts on which they are situated.
As far as I can see, the designs for the stations are in line with the current designs for new tube stations. If you look at relatively new elevated stations on the network such as Wood Lane, on the Hammersmith and City and Circle Lines, you would see that TFL are currently opting for relatively simple structures that fit neatly around the viaducts on which they are situated. jag000
  • Score: 4

2:23pm Sat 5 Apr 14

TRT says...

It fits the look of the new market at least...
It fits the look of the new market at least... TRT
  • Score: 4

4:33pm Sat 5 Apr 14

watfoid says...

Nat On The Field: "Can't someone find something positive to say?" Well, in a word: no. OK, extending the tube line is a good thing, but it's difficult to be upbeat when they proudly unveil designs for stations which resemble a garbage incinerator. It just goes to show that Watford has finally lost all its civic pride. Once London Transport commissioned designs from the likes of Leslie Green, Charles Holden and Norman Foster. The best they can do now for Watford is a corrugated iron box. It certainly fits in with the surroundings - it looks just like a B&Q!
Nat On The Field: "Can't someone find something positive to say?" Well, in a word: no. OK, extending the tube line is a good thing, but it's difficult to be upbeat when they proudly unveil designs for stations which resemble a garbage incinerator. It just goes to show that Watford has finally lost all its civic pride. Once London Transport commissioned designs from the likes of Leslie Green, Charles Holden and Norman Foster. The best they can do now for Watford is a corrugated iron box. It certainly fits in with the surroundings - it looks just like a B&Q! watfoid
  • Score: 6

4:53pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

If the council proudly usher in this sort of architecture what is the future of Watford?

It's awful.

There's something wrong with planning in Watford when this sort of things gets passed for building.

The fact it lights up at night just adds insult to injury.
If the council proudly usher in this sort of architecture what is the future of Watford? It's awful. There's something wrong with planning in Watford when this sort of things gets passed for building. The fact it lights up at night just adds insult to injury. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

7:11pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

OMG I find myself in agreement with Cuetip, Phil Cox, D Penn, TRT, Doggydo, Watfoid etc. I may have to go for a little lie down to recover my sense of balance
OMG I find myself in agreement with Cuetip, Phil Cox, D Penn, TRT, Doggydo, Watfoid etc. I may have to go for a little lie down to recover my sense of balance Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 9

7:14pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
OMG I find myself in agreement with Cuetip, Phil Cox, D Penn, TRT, Doggydo, Watfoid etc. I may have to go for a little lie down to recover my sense of balance
Didn't know you had one.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: OMG I find myself in agreement with Cuetip, Phil Cox, D Penn, TRT, Doggydo, Watfoid etc. I may have to go for a little lie down to recover my sense of balance[/p][/quote]Didn't know you had one. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

7:36pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
OMG I find myself in agreement with Cuetip, Phil Cox, D Penn, TRT, Doggydo, Watfoid etc. I may have to go for a little lie down to recover my sense of balance
Didn't know you had one.
Thanks Phil, business as usual has returned, I feel so much better now. I disagree with everything you say.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: OMG I find myself in agreement with Cuetip, Phil Cox, D Penn, TRT, Doggydo, Watfoid etc. I may have to go for a little lie down to recover my sense of balance[/p][/quote]Didn't know you had one.[/p][/quote]Thanks Phil, business as usual has returned, I feel so much better now. I disagree with everything you say. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 11

1:13am Sun 6 Apr 14

Keefer says...

Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money.

So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts.

Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore.
Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money. So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts. Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore. Keefer
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Sun 6 Apr 14

LocalBoy1 says...

doggydo wrote:
For christs's sake, what a hideous aesthetic abortion! Why not design something that's pleasing to the eye and enhances people's lives through its unobtrusive beauty? That glow in the dark piece of corrugated iron is pure visual filth. Please don't do it.
Now this comment really puts it all in a nutshell. But will anyone listen to the people of Watford?
[quote][p][bold]doggydo[/bold] wrote: For christs's sake, what a hideous aesthetic abortion! Why not design something that's pleasing to the eye and enhances people's lives through its unobtrusive beauty? That glow in the dark piece of corrugated iron is pure visual filth. Please don't do it.[/p][/quote]Now this comment really puts it all in a nutshell. But will anyone listen to the people of Watford? LocalBoy1
  • Score: 2

5:05pm Sun 6 Apr 14

trebleywebley says...

Why no mention of the adjascent Sunclock Tower.
Why no mention of the adjascent Sunclock Tower. trebleywebley
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Sun 6 Apr 14

LocalBoy1 says...

Keefer wrote:
Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money.

So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts.

Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore.
Wos a matter mate? did the Mrs say NO last night?
[quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money. So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts. Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore.[/p][/quote]Wos a matter mate? did the Mrs say NO last night? LocalBoy1
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Sun 6 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

gangerman wrote:
"He added: "I am wondering what is being done to protect people around Vicarage Road, as it is quite densely populated area, from all day commuter parking?" Were you being serious Mr. Derbyshire, Creeping Parking Zone on the way.
I thought the area already had a CPZ
[quote][p][bold]gangerman[/bold] wrote: "He added: "I am wondering what is being done to protect people around Vicarage Road, as it is quite densely populated area, from all day commuter parking?" Were you being serious Mr. Derbyshire, Creeping Parking Zone on the way.[/p][/quote]I thought the area already had a CPZ ancientandageing
  • Score: 1

12:01am Mon 7 Apr 14

TRT says...

ancientandageing wrote:
gangerman wrote:
"He added: "I am wondering what is being done to protect people around Vicarage Road, as it is quite densely populated area, from all day commuter parking?" Were you being serious Mr. Derbyshire, Creeping Parking Zone on the way.
I thought the area already had a CPZ
Not the area around the Holliwell.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gangerman[/bold] wrote: "He added: "I am wondering what is being done to protect people around Vicarage Road, as it is quite densely populated area, from all day commuter parking?" Were you being serious Mr. Derbyshire, Creeping Parking Zone on the way.[/p][/quote]I thought the area already had a CPZ[/p][/quote]Not the area around the Holliwell. TRT
  • Score: 0

12:33am Mon 7 Apr 14

Andrew1963 says...

George Derbyshire says he is concerned about parking in the densely populated Vicarage Road area. Yet he supports building 700 flats and houses behind the football ground, including the open space known as Farm Terrace allotments. And where exactly are those 700 new households going to park then?
George Derbyshire says he is concerned about parking in the densely populated Vicarage Road area. Yet he supports building 700 flats and houses behind the football ground, including the open space known as Farm Terrace allotments. And where exactly are those 700 new households going to park then? Andrew1963
  • Score: 0

12:48am Mon 7 Apr 14

Keefer says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
doggydo wrote:
For christs's sake, what a hideous aesthetic abortion! Why not design something that's pleasing to the eye and enhances people's lives through its unobtrusive beauty? That glow in the dark piece of corrugated iron is pure visual filth. Please don't do it.
Now this comment really puts it all in a nutshell. But will anyone listen to the people of Watford?
eeeeYea, right! One voice constitutes "the people of Watford" now does it? Just like Tony Blair constituted the people of Great Britain when he went to war in Iraq\Afghanistan?

BAIT.
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doggydo[/bold] wrote: For christs's sake, what a hideous aesthetic abortion! Why not design something that's pleasing to the eye and enhances people's lives through its unobtrusive beauty? That glow in the dark piece of corrugated iron is pure visual filth. Please don't do it.[/p][/quote]Now this comment really puts it all in a nutshell. But will anyone listen to the people of Watford?[/p][/quote]eeeeYea, right! One voice constitutes "the people of Watford" now does it? Just like Tony Blair constituted the people of Great Britain when he went to war in Iraq\Afghanistan? BAIT. Keefer
  • Score: -3

12:55am Mon 7 Apr 14

Keefer says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
Keefer wrote:
Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money.

So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts.

Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore.
Wos a matter mate? did the Mrs say NO last night?
I'm suggesting you fund the construction of your own future listed building! Much like private money did in times gone by.

wos a matter mate, you think your benefits should stretch to paying for this too?
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money. So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts. Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore.[/p][/quote]Wos a matter mate? did the Mrs say NO last night?[/p][/quote]I'm suggesting you fund the construction of your own future listed building! Much like private money did in times gone by. wos a matter mate, you think your benefits should stretch to paying for this too? Keefer
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Mon 7 Apr 14

CaptainPC says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Exactly what material is being used to create the glow-in-the-dark effect?
It used to be possible to buy clocks and watches that glowed in the dark.
The material employed was radioactive and it was the decay that glowed.
Is the building being painted with radioactive paint of some sort?
If it is, this could have very serious health implications for all concerned.
While the initial project involves a single story structure, what is there to stop the height being increased in future?
George Derbyshire has raised a significant point when asking about the parking arrangements for the Vicarage Road station.
Based on maps produced at the West Watford flood plain housing estate consultation event, I could not see how the station would be accessed.
In both cases - it seems to me - we are all being asked to buy into proverbial pigs in pokes, without having any properly detailed maps and schematics to refer to before agreeing to interim measure being taken.
I consider this situation to be wholly unsatisfactory.
We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid.
If we don't, we will all find our elected representatives acing in haste but we local residents will be the ones who will end up repenting at leisure.
We all know who'sa to blame John. Just not allowed to say in these crazy PC times.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: Exactly what material is being used to create the glow-in-the-dark effect? It used to be possible to buy clocks and watches that glowed in the dark. The material employed was radioactive and it was the decay that glowed. Is the building being painted with radioactive paint of some sort? If it is, this could have very serious health implications for all concerned. While the initial project involves a single story structure, what is there to stop the height being increased in future? George Derbyshire has raised a significant point when asking about the parking arrangements for the Vicarage Road station. Based on maps produced at the West Watford flood plain housing estate consultation event, I could not see how the station would be accessed. In both cases - it seems to me - we are all being asked to buy into proverbial pigs in pokes, without having any properly detailed maps and schematics to refer to before agreeing to interim measure being taken. I consider this situation to be wholly unsatisfactory. We should be able to consult fully detailed maps and diagrams before one single brick is laid. If we don't, we will all find our elected representatives acing in haste but we local residents will be the ones who will end up repenting at leisure.[/p][/quote]We all know who'sa to blame John. Just not allowed to say in these crazy PC times. CaptainPC
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4:53pm Tue 8 Apr 14

#UKMum says...

Euukkk - Why can't Watford aspire? Why can't we have decent architecture? Berlin's got it in spades.
Euukkk - Why can't Watford aspire? Why can't we have decent architecture? Berlin's got it in spades. #UKMum
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5:23pm Tue 8 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

#UKMum wrote:
Euukkk - Why can't Watford aspire? Why can't we have decent architecture? Berlin's got it in spades.
Exactly.

I get the feeling that there's an atttitude of 'it's only Watford, why bother?' when it comes to new buildings in our town.

Well, look at the number of buildings that have gone up in Watford over the last 30+ years. If there had been a real drive to focus on elegence and beauty over that period Watford could now have been a town that people visited to just to see the architecture.

Instead, we have suffered the curse of the 'build it cheap' approach and unfortunately, it shows. Can anyone honestly say when they have friends or family come to visit that there is any part of modern Watford that architecturally, they are proud to point out?

There has been a missed opportunity to grow a town of beauty. It began back with the removal of the Cassiobury Park gates and still continues to this day where too few of those in a position to make a difference appreciate that when erecting a structure which may last 150 years or more they have an important duty to make it something people will enjoy looking at.

Sadly, the new Cassiobridge station will quickly, in most people's minds, fit contemptuously into the opposite category along with the old square sixties tower blocks which were only eventually improved by demolition.
[quote][p][bold]#UKMum[/bold] wrote: Euukkk - Why can't Watford aspire? Why can't we have decent architecture? Berlin's got it in spades.[/p][/quote]Exactly. I get the feeling that there's an atttitude of 'it's only Watford, why bother?' when it comes to new buildings in our town. Well, look at the number of buildings that have gone up in Watford over the last 30+ years. If there had been a real drive to focus on elegence and beauty over that period Watford could now have been a town that people visited to just to see the architecture. Instead, we have suffered the curse of the 'build it cheap' approach and unfortunately, it shows. Can anyone honestly say when they have friends or family come to visit that there is any part of modern Watford that architecturally, they are proud to point out? There has been a missed opportunity to grow a town of beauty. It began back with the removal of the Cassiobury Park gates and still continues to this day where too few of those in a position to make a difference appreciate that when erecting a structure which may last 150 years or more they have an important duty to make it something people will enjoy looking at. Sadly, the new Cassiobridge station will quickly, in most people's minds, fit contemptuously into the opposite category along with the old square sixties tower blocks which were only eventually improved by demolition. D_Penn
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6:27pm Tue 8 Apr 14

LocalBoy1 says...

Having been duly reprimanded for breach of terms along with "Keefer" and all our comments being removed by the WO over my tete a tete with Keefer. I still on behalf of the people of Watford take exception to his demeaning remark directed at the people of this town. "Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore". I feel you owe the people of this town an apology! Are you gentleman enough to do that?
Having been duly reprimanded for breach of terms along with "Keefer" and all our comments being removed by the WO over my tete a tete with Keefer. I still on behalf of the people of Watford take exception to his demeaning remark directed at the people of this town. "Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore". I feel you owe the people of this town an apology! Are you gentleman enough to do that? LocalBoy1
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8:22pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Keefer says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
Keefer wrote:
Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money.

So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts.

Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore.
Wos a matter mate? did the Mrs say NO last night?
As a resident of Watford, I don't feel the need to apologise, as the Town has long since lost its Special status IMHO! Where were you when that lopsided Green Box was built in place of the Peace Memorial Hospital? Where were you when Watford Springs was built with such a low budget that it only lasted 10 years before it was torn down. Watford's architecture has been neglected & short-changed for decades! It's not going to change for a couple of train stops.

Too many commentators demand more for nothing, yet they'd soon complain if their taxes increased to pay for the type of architecture being demanded. If you want a nice looking train station do as the residents of Moor Park did ..form an association & pay for the buildings with Private donations. You can't demand "special status" then expect. "the people of Watford" to foot the bill. I don't need a St. Pancras Station facade to catch a tube train, and I'm not deluded enough to believe that London Underground will pay for it.

No! I stand by my assertion that Watford isn't special anymore, and my opinion hasn't changed because of moderator interjection.

So, will you now apologise for your derogatory, useless & off-topic comment aimed at me, LocalBoy1?
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: Most here don't seem to realise that graceful architecture costs! You're wanting Champagne for Beer costs, Bang & Olufsen for Amstrad money. So unless your prepared to push your hand down to the bottom of your very deep pockets, the tin boxes will have to do! It's a modern train stop, not a Museum of the Arts. Get over yourself Watford, you're nothing special anymore.[/p][/quote]Wos a matter mate? did the Mrs say NO last night?[/p][/quote]As a resident of Watford, I don't feel the need to apologise, as the Town has long since lost its Special status IMHO! Where were you when that lopsided Green Box was built in place of the Peace Memorial Hospital? Where were you when Watford Springs was built with such a low budget that it only lasted 10 years before it was torn down. Watford's architecture has been neglected & short-changed for decades! It's not going to change for a couple of train stops. Too many commentators demand more for nothing, yet they'd soon complain if their taxes increased to pay for the type of architecture being demanded. If you want a nice looking train station do as the residents of Moor Park did ..form an association & pay for the buildings with Private donations. You can't demand "special status" then expect. "the people of Watford" to foot the bill. I don't need a St. Pancras Station facade to catch a tube train, and I'm not deluded enough to believe that London Underground will pay for it. No! I stand by my assertion that Watford isn't special anymore, and my opinion hasn't changed because of moderator interjection. So, will you now apologise for your derogatory, useless & off-topic comment aimed at me, LocalBoy1? Keefer
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9:17pm Tue 8 Apr 14

LocalBoy1 says...

@Keefer...

Ahhhh so now I understand, it's about the disappointing architecture. Why on earth didn't you say that? instead of making a broad sweeping statement inferring that the good people of Watford were included. As for where was I when all the buildings you mention were going up? Right here in Watford, been here since the M25 was a line on a survey map and the Harlequin wasn't even thought of!.Cassiobury park gates removed in 1967? bit before my time in Watford. If you have felt this strongly (and you certainly have) about the declining architecture in Watford, why haven't you done something about it? I have watched all you mention being built and pulled down! (Watford Springs) There was a good reason for loosing Watford Springs, I suggest you research as to why?. As for lecturing the people of Watford on raising funding or expecting gold for brass you are starting to sound like a Lib Dem councillor...... Apologies? Oh come on, we were just two outspoken stubborn old coots with very strong views who came head to head, it escalated out of hand and thus the WO reprimand. Are you female? If so my choice of phasing was most inappropriate. But how am I to know that? A lesson learned, assume nothing!
@Keefer... Ahhhh so now I understand, it's about the disappointing architecture. Why on earth didn't you say that? instead of making a broad sweeping statement inferring that the good people of Watford were included. As for where was I when all the buildings you mention were going up? Right here in Watford, been here since the M25 was a line on a survey map and the Harlequin wasn't even thought of!.Cassiobury park gates removed in 1967? bit before my time in Watford. If you have felt this strongly (and you certainly have) about the declining architecture in Watford, why haven't you done something about it? I have watched all you mention being built and pulled down! (Watford Springs) There was a good reason for loosing Watford Springs, I suggest you research as to why?. As for lecturing the people of Watford on raising funding or expecting gold for brass you are starting to sound like a Lib Dem councillor...... Apologies? Oh come on, we were just two outspoken stubborn old coots with very strong views who came head to head, it escalated out of hand and thus the WO reprimand. Are you female? If so my choice of phasing was most inappropriate. But how am I to know that? A lesson learned, assume nothing! LocalBoy1
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9:39pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Keefer says...

Let peace reign, eh LocalBoy?

If I could search for "Watford Springs" and find results containing the phrase "misappropriation of funds" I might believe it, but I doubt any search engine would have that information, so I won't bother.
Let peace reign, eh LocalBoy? If I could search for "Watford Springs" and find results containing the phrase "misappropriation of funds" I might believe it, but I doubt any search engine would have that information, so I won't bother. Keefer
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10:14pm Tue 8 Apr 14

LocalBoy1 says...

Keefer wrote:
Let peace reign, eh LocalBoy?

If I could search for "Watford Springs" and find results containing the phrase "misappropriation of funds" I might believe it, but I doubt any search engine would have that information, so I won't bother.
Well, the construction company who built Watford Springs went bankrupt, the biggest problem was a newly designed water cleaning system. As such WBC was faced with a rectification bill of around £4 million I seem to remember. So rather than waste public funds on a failed project it was pulled down. Sad as it was great fun! As you say let peace reign, we don't want the WO on our tails again..):):):)
[quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: Let peace reign, eh LocalBoy? If I could search for "Watford Springs" and find results containing the phrase "misappropriation of funds" I might believe it, but I doubt any search engine would have that information, so I won't bother.[/p][/quote]Well, the construction company who built Watford Springs went bankrupt, the biggest problem was a newly designed water cleaning system. As such WBC was faced with a rectification bill of around £4 million I seem to remember. So rather than waste public funds on a failed project it was pulled down. Sad as it was great fun! As you say let peace reign, we don't want the WO on our tails again..):):):) LocalBoy1
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5:07pm Thu 10 Apr 14

andyhooked says...

Some very sad comments have been posted.Very few are positive. Well I am! Get on with the project. Watford is billions of light years from being a World Heritage Site. What Watford needs is better access, more shoppers and visitors and more employment. As I have said, the structures around the M25 in posh areas around Chorley Wood have been done and dusted. Does anyone using the M25 in the Herts/Bucks area complain now about ugly structures? As someone has said, look at the new Underground stations at Wood Lane, Hillingdon and others. Art Deco stations or Victorian style stations aint going to be done.
Some very sad comments have been posted.Very few are positive. Well I am! Get on with the project. Watford is billions of light years from being a World Heritage Site. What Watford needs is better access, more shoppers and visitors and more employment. As I have said, the structures around the M25 in posh areas around Chorley Wood have been done and dusted. Does anyone using the M25 in the Herts/Bucks area complain now about ugly structures? As someone has said, look at the new Underground stations at Wood Lane, Hillingdon and others. Art Deco stations or Victorian style stations aint going to be done. andyhooked
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5:37pm Thu 10 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

andyhooked wrote:
Some very sad comments have been posted.Very few are positive. Well I am! Get on with the project. Watford is billions of light years from being a World Heritage Site. What Watford needs is better access, more shoppers and visitors and more employment. As I have said, the structures around the M25 in posh areas around Chorley Wood have been done and dusted. Does anyone using the M25 in the Herts/Bucks area complain now about ugly structures? As someone has said, look at the new Underground stations at Wood Lane, Hillingdon and others. Art Deco stations or Victorian style stations aint going to be done.
I think that is the wrong way to think. It's like writing Watford off just because it's 'only Watford'. Well, I believe all us people of Watford deserve far better consideration than that.

Everyone should be able to live in a village, town or city where when they look out of their window or walk down the street they see buildings that look good and are pleasing to the eye. Just because Watford isn't Paris doesn't mean it can just be trashed by companies trying to save themselves a few quid or a council trying to cram in housing.

Indeed, there are numerous studies that show when people are crowded into ugly areas they care nothing for their surroundings and anti-social behaviour soars. Do we want that future for Watford?

It is not necessary. All it takes is to ensure that when every new building or development takes place that elegant and strong architectural design is a compulsory factor before permission is granted. Over decades every town would improve more and more.

In my opinion, future generations have the right to expect us to leave a legacy which they can enjoy because buildings last a very long time. They will rightly condemn us for short termism if all we do is throw up ugly buildings because at least they are cheap.
[quote][p][bold]andyhooked[/bold] wrote: Some very sad comments have been posted.Very few are positive. Well I am! Get on with the project. Watford is billions of light years from being a World Heritage Site. What Watford needs is better access, more shoppers and visitors and more employment. As I have said, the structures around the M25 in posh areas around Chorley Wood have been done and dusted. Does anyone using the M25 in the Herts/Bucks area complain now about ugly structures? As someone has said, look at the new Underground stations at Wood Lane, Hillingdon and others. Art Deco stations or Victorian style stations aint going to be done.[/p][/quote]I think that is the wrong way to think. It's like writing Watford off just because it's 'only Watford'. Well, I believe all us people of Watford deserve far better consideration than that. Everyone should be able to live in a village, town or city where when they look out of their window or walk down the street they see buildings that look good and are pleasing to the eye. Just because Watford isn't Paris doesn't mean it can just be trashed by companies trying to save themselves a few quid or a council trying to cram in housing. Indeed, there are numerous studies that show when people are crowded into ugly areas they care nothing for their surroundings and anti-social behaviour soars. Do we want that future for Watford? It is not necessary. All it takes is to ensure that when every new building or development takes place that elegant and strong architectural design is a compulsory factor before permission is granted. Over decades every town would improve more and more. In my opinion, future generations have the right to expect us to leave a legacy which they can enjoy because buildings last a very long time. They will rightly condemn us for short termism if all we do is throw up ugly buildings because at least they are cheap. D_Penn
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