Ed Miliband: the people of Watford have been 'let down by poor investment' in town's hospital

Watford Observer: Ed Miliband: the people of Watford have been 'let down by poor investment' in town's hospital Ed Miliband: the people of Watford have been 'let down by poor investment' in town's hospital

Labour leader Ed Miliband criticised the lack of investment in Watford General Hospital on a site visit this week.

He said a spending review is "urgently" required to future-proof the aging hospital.

Speaking at the hospital, Mr Miliband said: "The people of Watford have been let down.

"There has been poor investment.

"The Labour party is looking at a spending review for Watford General.

"I recognise the urgency with which that is required."

The leader of the opposition met with Samantha Jones, chief executive of the West Hertfordshire NHS Trust, as well as patients, their families and staff during the two-day tour.

Ms Jones, who has previously described Watford General’s buildings as "unfit for purpose", said she was delighted to facilitate Mr Miliband’s private visit.

She said the MP for Doncaster North was shown the hospital’s busy accident and emergency department, dementia unit and children’s ward.

Mr Miliband was also briefed on the challenges facing the hospital and NHS Trust.

He said the visit was an opportunity to see the "real pressures on hospital departments".

He said: "This hospital faces the challenge of modernisation in its infrustructure and buildings.

"It's been a long running challenge that needs to be looked at and addressed.

"I saw the maturnity service here and the birthing centre, which is in a new building. The building seems to have made a huge difference to the mums there.

"But other parts of the hospital are much more out of date and it impacts on the quality the patients have."

Watford Labour councillor Matt Turmaine joined Mr Miliband on his visit and spoke for the party on the proposed Health Campus development.

Plans, which include building hundreds of new homes and car parking facilities, while leaving space for new hospital buildings have proved contentious.

Plot holders at the Farm Terrace Allotments, the land of which would be included in the campus, have lodged a legal challenge claiming they were "misled" about the amount of private development in the proposals.

Mr Turmaine said the people of Watford need to know in "concrete terms" what parts of the touted plans are going ahead.

The representative for Holywell Ward said: "We have campaigned to support the allotment holders.

"There’s  still a query over whether the allotment land will be need to be used as hospital carparking.

"Watford General has been in need of investment for a decade now.

"There needs to be a commitment to patients."

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6:13pm Wed 23 Apr 14

enlightened one says...

What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ???

Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !!
What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ??? Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !! enlightened one
  • Score: -5

7:13pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Spending review?

It needs a lot more than that!

Local Labour also seem to be watering down their support for Farm Terrace allotments.

3 Counties radio tomorrow morning 7:20 the Mayoral candidates will be discussing this subject.
Spending review? It needs a lot more than that! Local Labour also seem to be watering down their support for Farm Terrace allotments. 3 Counties radio tomorrow morning 7:20 the Mayoral candidates will be discussing this subject. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -16

7:25pm Wed 23 Apr 14

QUINNPT says...

What a hypocrite his party did not recommend increase in overall hospital spending at the last election.
While this government does have questions to answer over its reform packages, what is done is done, so Mr Milaband explain to the electorate where the money will come from; as I bet Watford is not the only hospital in short of funds.
A case as with all politicians jumping on the bandwagon and when in power will say, "What I said was taken out of context". No wonder people loose trust in politicians......jus
t be honest with people, you will have more respect than just blaming the others in power!.
What a hypocrite his party did not recommend increase in overall hospital spending at the last election. While this government does have questions to answer over its reform packages, what is done is done, so Mr Milaband explain to the electorate where the money will come from; as I bet Watford is not the only hospital in short of funds. A case as with all politicians jumping on the bandwagon and when in power will say, "What I said was taken out of context". No wonder people loose trust in politicians......jus t be honest with people, you will have more respect than just blaming the others in power!. QUINNPT
  • Score: -5

8:25pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Milibland is talking about a spending review as though he is in a position to do anything about it which he isn't, and he isn't likely to be for a very long time, if ever.
And then there's the hapless Turmaine trying to curry favour with both sides, sitting on the fence, supporting both the development and the plot holders at the same time. He's completely lost the plot, it simply confirms that Labour in Watford are a total lost cause.
Milibland is talking about a spending review as though he is in a position to do anything about it which he isn't, and he isn't likely to be for a very long time, if ever. And then there's the hapless Turmaine trying to curry favour with both sides, sitting on the fence, supporting both the development and the plot holders at the same time. He's completely lost the plot, it simply confirms that Labour in Watford are a total lost cause. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -8

8:36pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Sara says...

If, in Matt Turmaine's words, Watford General has been in need of investment for a decade now, why did Ed Miliband's own government not make that investment?

After all, they were in power for more than six years of that decade, at a tine when the world had money to spend.

Why didn't the Labour government make that 'commitment to patients'?
If, in Matt Turmaine's words, Watford General has been in need of investment for a decade now, why did Ed Miliband's own government not make that investment? After all, they were in power for more than six years of that decade, at a tine when the world had money to spend. Why didn't the Labour government make that 'commitment to patients'? Sara
  • Score: -3

10:14pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Andrew1963 says...

enlightened one wrote:
What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ???

Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !!
Well I suppose the AAU investment was an example of capital investment, and increased investment in NHS services that resulted in massive improvements in health care after 2001 is another example of improved services. What I don't understand is that the government invests public money on public facilities at Westfield Academy. An investment that does not involve selling off land for housing. Yet that principle is not applied at the hospital, which has to sell of its land to pay for its share of the cost of the access road. It makes you think the coalition are not prepared to back Watford General.
[quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ??? Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !![/p][/quote]Well I suppose the AAU investment was an example of capital investment, and increased investment in NHS services that resulted in massive improvements in health care after 2001 is another example of improved services. What I don't understand is that the government invests public money on public facilities at Westfield Academy. An investment that does not involve selling off land for housing. Yet that principle is not applied at the hospital, which has to sell of its land to pay for its share of the cost of the access road. It makes you think the coalition are not prepared to back Watford General. Andrew1963
  • Score: 22

10:37pm Wed 23 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
enlightened one wrote:
What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ???

Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !!
Well I suppose the AAU investment was an example of capital investment, and increased investment in NHS services that resulted in massive improvements in health care after 2001 is another example of improved services. What I don't understand is that the government invests public money on public facilities at Westfield Academy. An investment that does not involve selling off land for housing. Yet that principle is not applied at the hospital, which has to sell of its land to pay for its share of the cost of the access road. It makes you think the coalition are not prepared to back Watford General.
wasn't there investment in maternity services and a new stroke unit as well, the problem seems to be any future investment is tied up to a housing estate or some such and a privatization agenda.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ??? Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !![/p][/quote]Well I suppose the AAU investment was an example of capital investment, and increased investment in NHS services that resulted in massive improvements in health care after 2001 is another example of improved services. What I don't understand is that the government invests public money on public facilities at Westfield Academy. An investment that does not involve selling off land for housing. Yet that principle is not applied at the hospital, which has to sell of its land to pay for its share of the cost of the access road. It makes you think the coalition are not prepared to back Watford General.[/p][/quote]wasn't there investment in maternity services and a new stroke unit as well, the problem seems to be any future investment is tied up to a housing estate or some such and a privatization agenda. ancientandageing
  • Score: 18

11:54pm Wed 23 Apr 14

TRT says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Andrew1963 wrote:
enlightened one wrote:
What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ???

Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !!
Well I suppose the AAU investment was an example of capital investment, and increased investment in NHS services that resulted in massive improvements in health care after 2001 is another example of improved services. What I don't understand is that the government invests public money on public facilities at Westfield Academy. An investment that does not involve selling off land for housing. Yet that principle is not applied at the hospital, which has to sell of its land to pay for its share of the cost of the access road. It makes you think the coalition are not prepared to back Watford General.
wasn't there investment in maternity services and a new stroke unit as well, the problem seems to be any future investment is tied up to a housing estate or some such and a privatization agenda.
I think the issue is that they had this vision for a modern, health orientated development, not just an NHS facility, but a model for clean, healthy living - with good homes, a new hospital, teaching and training facilities, health and fitness commercial development, medical manufacturing etc. But somewhere along the line this futuristic vision became more and more diluted until we see it in the form it is today. Which is why it needs to go in the bin and should be revisited in 2015/2016 or later still, even. Because once you've used that land, once you've sold off the family silver, that's it gone forever. The dream will have evaporated and Watford will remain a rabbit hutch borough with dwindling manufacturing and local employment, an economy founded on the service industry and a whole pile of high street generic shops.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: What precisely did Millibland do when he was in government for watford hospital ??? Absolutely bugger all !! Complete berk of a man !![/p][/quote]Well I suppose the AAU investment was an example of capital investment, and increased investment in NHS services that resulted in massive improvements in health care after 2001 is another example of improved services. What I don't understand is that the government invests public money on public facilities at Westfield Academy. An investment that does not involve selling off land for housing. Yet that principle is not applied at the hospital, which has to sell of its land to pay for its share of the cost of the access road. It makes you think the coalition are not prepared to back Watford General.[/p][/quote]wasn't there investment in maternity services and a new stroke unit as well, the problem seems to be any future investment is tied up to a housing estate or some such and a privatization agenda.[/p][/quote]I think the issue is that they had this vision for a modern, health orientated development, not just an NHS facility, but a model for clean, healthy living - with good homes, a new hospital, teaching and training facilities, health and fitness commercial development, medical manufacturing etc. But somewhere along the line this futuristic vision became more and more diluted until we see it in the form it is today. Which is why it needs to go in the bin and should be revisited in 2015/2016 or later still, even. Because once you've used that land, once you've sold off the family silver, that's it gone forever. The dream will have evaporated and Watford will remain a rabbit hutch borough with dwindling manufacturing and local employment, an economy founded on the service industry and a whole pile of high street generic shops. TRT
  • Score: 9

3:37am Thu 24 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

I agree with what TRT has said above, in particular that this whole project should be put on the back burner until after the general election next year.
The allotment land is not being allocated towards hospital parking but to parking for the football club. Does that make any kind of sense?
There is also the need to consider the knock-on environmental effects of building 750 accommodation units on flood plain land. Has any kind of assessment been made of the potential threat to increase flooding risks across Watford as a result? I have not seen any.
In my opinion, the main backers of these plans are showing shockingly low levels of strategic thinking where these proposals are concerned.
I agree with what TRT has said above, in particular that this whole project should be put on the back burner until after the general election next year. The allotment land is not being allocated towards hospital parking but to parking for the football club. Does that make any kind of sense? There is also the need to consider the knock-on environmental effects of building 750 accommodation units on flood plain land. Has any kind of assessment been made of the potential threat to increase flooding risks across Watford as a result? I have not seen any. In my opinion, the main backers of these plans are showing shockingly low levels of strategic thinking where these proposals are concerned. John Dowdle
  • Score: 12

8:12am Thu 24 Apr 14

garston tony says...

I can only agree with many of the previous comments, Labour did nothing to meet the needs of the Hospital or those that use it whilst they were in power yet with elections coming up and the need for votes pressing suddenly its on their radar.

They did nothing in 13 years in power (apart from make the whole system worse in general), have done nothing the past four years whilst out of power so I really dont care what he has to say about the hospital because its only paying lip service to the issues still
I can only agree with many of the previous comments, Labour did nothing to meet the needs of the Hospital or those that use it whilst they were in power yet with elections coming up and the need for votes pressing suddenly its on their radar. They did nothing in 13 years in power (apart from make the whole system worse in general), have done nothing the past four years whilst out of power so I really dont care what he has to say about the hospital because its only paying lip service to the issues still garston tony
  • Score: -11

8:31am Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

None of the failed LibLabCon political parties are prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding and write off the debts of hospitals, yet we can give £13,000,000,000 a year away in Foreign Aid and a further £20,075,000,000 a year to be members of the EU. That's right, each and every year we give away £33 billion.

That's nearly £500 for each man, woman and child in this country. Every year.

It's about time an honest party came forward and started to look seriously at how wisely we spend our taxes and where our priorities lie.

That's why I'm with UKIP. We are prepared to look at things differently and remember who actually pays those taxes.

We are prepared to do what is right.
None of the failed LibLabCon political parties are prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding and write off the debts of hospitals, yet we can give £13,000,000,000 a year away in Foreign Aid and a further £20,075,000,000 a year to be members of the EU. That's right, each and every year we give away £33 billion. That's nearly £500 for each man, woman and child in this country. Every year. It's about time an honest party came forward and started to look seriously at how wisely we spend our taxes and where our priorities lie. That's why I'm with UKIP. We are prepared to look at things differently and remember who actually pays those taxes. We are prepared to do what is right. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -24

9:24am Thu 24 Apr 14

Hampermill-Mike says...

I hope he got to see someone, I assume he was there to see a doctor, he looks so ill in the photo. He should have been told that he was in good hands, the nursing staff and doctors at Watford General are probably some of the best in Great Britain. The what for tests seems to be a matter if weeks, but I can only speak for my own problems . Any, thanks all the staff you are doing a great job.
I hope he got to see someone, I assume he was there to see a doctor, he looks so ill in the photo. He should have been told that he was in good hands, the nursing staff and doctors at Watford General are probably some of the best in Great Britain. The what for tests seems to be a matter if weeks, but I can only speak for my own problems . Any, thanks all the staff you are doing a great job. Hampermill-Mike
  • Score: -2

10:48am Thu 24 Apr 14

MJ1 says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
None of the failed LibLabCon political parties are prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding and write off the debts of hospitals, yet we can give £13,000,000,000 a year away in Foreign Aid and a further £20,075,000,000 a year to be members of the EU. That's right, each and every year we give away £33 billion.

That's nearly £500 for each man, woman and child in this country. Every year.

It's about time an honest party came forward and started to look seriously at how wisely we spend our taxes and where our priorities lie.

That's why I'm with UKIP. We are prepared to look at things differently and remember who actually pays those taxes.

We are prepared to do what is right.
Even if these figures are right (and take anything UKIP tell you with a very large pinch of salt) it reveals the extent to which UKIP would damage our country and the living standards of ordinary people.
Nigel Farage has already said that UKIP are the only party pledged to cut spending on the NHS and on State pensions (Daily Telegraph interview).
Phil Cox has said he'd be happy to see our hospital moved out of the town to nearer HH or St Albans (before he backtracked). UKIP would end overseas aid that is a big source of investment that brings many more billions in trade to the UK as does our part in Europe upon which 3 million British jobs depend.
Phil Cox's economic illiteracy is exposed by his statement that no party is prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding. Well Edgware's new hospital was built from state funding and the Royal Liverpool is about to be built with 90% state funding to mention but two - which makes it all the more scandalous that Harringtom and Thornhill do not argue for the govt funding for Watford General.
The fact is, as most people recognise, that the NHS is only safe in Labour's hands
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: None of the failed LibLabCon political parties are prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding and write off the debts of hospitals, yet we can give £13,000,000,000 a year away in Foreign Aid and a further £20,075,000,000 a year to be members of the EU. That's right, each and every year we give away £33 billion. That's nearly £500 for each man, woman and child in this country. Every year. It's about time an honest party came forward and started to look seriously at how wisely we spend our taxes and where our priorities lie. That's why I'm with UKIP. We are prepared to look at things differently and remember who actually pays those taxes. We are prepared to do what is right.[/p][/quote]Even if these figures are right (and take anything UKIP tell you with a very large pinch of salt) it reveals the extent to which UKIP would damage our country and the living standards of ordinary people. Nigel Farage has already said that UKIP are the only party pledged to cut spending on the NHS and on State pensions (Daily Telegraph interview). Phil Cox has said he'd be happy to see our hospital moved out of the town to nearer HH or St Albans (before he backtracked). UKIP would end overseas aid that is a big source of investment that brings many more billions in trade to the UK as does our part in Europe upon which 3 million British jobs depend. Phil Cox's economic illiteracy is exposed by his statement that no party is prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding. Well Edgware's new hospital was built from state funding and the Royal Liverpool is about to be built with 90% state funding to mention but two - which makes it all the more scandalous that Harringtom and Thornhill do not argue for the govt funding for Watford General. The fact is, as most people recognise, that the NHS is only safe in Labour's hands MJ1
  • Score: 21

11:29am Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I have never backtracked on the hospital, I was misquoted. It happens sometimes.

I have always been pro keeping the hospital in Watford. Nothing has changed.

As for damaging our country and the living standards of ordinary people, that's rich. Giving away £500 per man woman and child - does that not in any way diminish our living standards? Bringing in cheap labour from abroad forcing wages down for UK workers, ordinary people, does that not damage living standards? The damage to this country is incalculable since the LibLabCon started giving away this country's sovereignty piecemeal to the EU without so much as giving us a say on it.

If anyone is damaging living standards and damaging the country, Labour is right up there with the Tories as public enemy number one.

UKIP does not seek an end to overseas aid. There will always be overseas aid but not at such a high rate and what is spent will be spent effectively. There is a quote I like which says that overseas aid is the transfer of wealth from the poor of a rich country to the rich of a poor country.

Overseas aid, in general, at the moment is a scandalous use of our taxes. We would fix that.

As for that old chestnut about being part of the EU and 3 million jobs. Didn't Nick Clegg try that one and lose? I'm surprised people are still trying to pull that wool over peoples eyes.

Even the people who researched that figure now say that it doesn't mean that at all. The jobs are linked to Europe, not dependent on it. There is a huge difference and if we left the EU the jobs would not all disappear. That is because we would continue to trade with the EU. Some jobs may go (Eurocrats) but most jobs in business would stay and new jobs would be created as we develop more trade with the rest of the world and not the sinking EU that is becoming less and less relevant to world trade.

We could also cast off most of those EU rules and regulation that hamper our businesses in this country. It would be a win-win.

As for the NHS being safe in Labours hands, that cannot be true. You only have to look at the last time Labour were in charge. Huge increases in funding led to....huge increases in wages and worse service from our GPs through a complete mismangement of our GP contracts by Labour.

The NHS is safe in UKIPs hands. In fact, it is probably only safe in UKIPs hands. At least then it would be run properly and fairly.

With all the money we could save from EU payments and overseas aid, we could have a lot more hospitals built in this country to replace the ones like Watford.

I don't see Ed Milliband promising anything. That's because he hasn't and he won't promise anything.

Labour, no longer the party of the working and aspiring classes.

UKIP has far more to offer.
I have never backtracked on the hospital, I was misquoted. It happens sometimes. I have always been pro keeping the hospital in Watford. Nothing has changed. As for damaging our country and the living standards of ordinary people, that's rich. Giving away £500 per man woman and child - does that not in any way diminish our living standards? Bringing in cheap labour from abroad forcing wages down for UK workers, ordinary people, does that not damage living standards? The damage to this country is incalculable since the LibLabCon started giving away this country's sovereignty piecemeal to the EU without so much as giving us a say on it. If anyone is damaging living standards and damaging the country, Labour is right up there with the Tories as public enemy number one. UKIP does not seek an end to overseas aid. There will always be overseas aid but not at such a high rate and what is spent will be spent effectively. There is a quote I like which says that overseas aid is the transfer of wealth from the poor of a rich country to the rich of a poor country. Overseas aid, in general, at the moment is a scandalous use of our taxes. We would fix that. As for that old chestnut about being part of the EU and 3 million jobs. Didn't Nick Clegg try that one and lose? I'm surprised people are still trying to pull that wool over peoples eyes. Even the people who researched that figure now say that it doesn't mean that at all. The jobs are linked to Europe, not dependent on it. There is a huge difference and if we left the EU the jobs would not all disappear. That is because we would continue to trade with the EU. Some jobs may go (Eurocrats) but most jobs in business would stay and new jobs would be created as we develop more trade with the rest of the world and not the sinking EU that is becoming less and less relevant to world trade. We could also cast off most of those EU rules and regulation that hamper our businesses in this country. It would be a win-win. As for the NHS being safe in Labours hands, that cannot be true. You only have to look at the last time Labour were in charge. Huge increases in funding led to....huge increases in wages and worse service from our GPs through a complete mismangement of our GP contracts by Labour. The NHS is safe in UKIPs hands. In fact, it is probably only safe in UKIPs hands. At least then it would be run properly and fairly. With all the money we could save from EU payments and overseas aid, we could have a lot more hospitals built in this country to replace the ones like Watford. I don't see Ed Milliband promising anything. That's because he hasn't and he won't promise anything. Labour, no longer the party of the working and aspiring classes. UKIP has far more to offer. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -16

12:09pm Thu 24 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

MJ1 wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
None of the failed LibLabCon political parties are prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding and write off the debts of hospitals, yet we can give £13,000,000,000 a year away in Foreign Aid and a further £20,075,000,000 a year to be members of the EU. That's right, each and every year we give away £33 billion.

That's nearly £500 for each man, woman and child in this country. Every year.

It's about time an honest party came forward and started to look seriously at how wisely we spend our taxes and where our priorities lie.

That's why I'm with UKIP. We are prepared to look at things differently and remember who actually pays those taxes.

We are prepared to do what is right.
Even if these figures are right (and take anything UKIP tell you with a very large pinch of salt) it reveals the extent to which UKIP would damage our country and the living standards of ordinary people.
Nigel Farage has already said that UKIP are the only party pledged to cut spending on the NHS and on State pensions (Daily Telegraph interview).
Phil Cox has said he'd be happy to see our hospital moved out of the town to nearer HH or St Albans (before he backtracked). UKIP would end overseas aid that is a big source of investment that brings many more billions in trade to the UK as does our part in Europe upon which 3 million British jobs depend.
Phil Cox's economic illiteracy is exposed by his statement that no party is prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding. Well Edgware's new hospital was built from state funding and the Royal Liverpool is about to be built with 90% state funding to mention but two - which makes it all the more scandalous that Harringtom and Thornhill do not argue for the govt funding for Watford General.
The fact is, as most people recognise, that the NHS is only safe in Labour's hands
I remember the shambles under Thatcher and Major, just cast your mind back
[quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: None of the failed LibLabCon political parties are prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding and write off the debts of hospitals, yet we can give £13,000,000,000 a year away in Foreign Aid and a further £20,075,000,000 a year to be members of the EU. That's right, each and every year we give away £33 billion. That's nearly £500 for each man, woman and child in this country. Every year. It's about time an honest party came forward and started to look seriously at how wisely we spend our taxes and where our priorities lie. That's why I'm with UKIP. We are prepared to look at things differently and remember who actually pays those taxes. We are prepared to do what is right.[/p][/quote]Even if these figures are right (and take anything UKIP tell you with a very large pinch of salt) it reveals the extent to which UKIP would damage our country and the living standards of ordinary people. Nigel Farage has already said that UKIP are the only party pledged to cut spending on the NHS and on State pensions (Daily Telegraph interview). Phil Cox has said he'd be happy to see our hospital moved out of the town to nearer HH or St Albans (before he backtracked). UKIP would end overseas aid that is a big source of investment that brings many more billions in trade to the UK as does our part in Europe upon which 3 million British jobs depend. Phil Cox's economic illiteracy is exposed by his statement that no party is prepared to build new hospitals out of state funding. Well Edgware's new hospital was built from state funding and the Royal Liverpool is about to be built with 90% state funding to mention but two - which makes it all the more scandalous that Harringtom and Thornhill do not argue for the govt funding for Watford General. The fact is, as most people recognise, that the NHS is only safe in Labour's hands[/p][/quote]I remember the shambles under Thatcher and Major, just cast your mind back ancientandageing
  • Score: 21

12:54pm Thu 24 Apr 14

TRT says...

I quite like the picture though. It looks like he's getting his prostate examined.
I quite like the picture though. It looks like he's getting his prostate examined. TRT
  • Score: -11

2:51pm Thu 24 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

Phil Cox wants the hospital closed down and moved to Hemel or St Albans..
Here is the article in this very paper he said it in.

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"Mr Cox suggested that if elected he would look into whether having the main acute hospital in the "packed" West Watford area was best solution or if it should possibly move to a "more central location" to Watford, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans."




No thanks Mr Cox, I like a hospital in Watford.
Phil Cox wants the hospital closed down and moved to Hemel or St Albans.. Here is the article in this very paper he said it in. http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/10 993032.UKIP_mayoral_ candidate_outlines_k ey_pledges/ "Mr Cox suggested that if elected he would look into whether having the main acute hospital in the "packed" West Watford area was best solution or if it should possibly move to a "more central location" to Watford, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans." No thanks Mr Cox, I like a hospital in Watford. ramage1996
  • Score: 6

3:25pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I was misquoted there and a correcting article was later published. You are quoting from the wrong article.

If we are building a new hospital for three towns worth of people I will look into whether the existing area (West Watford) can cope with it. If it can, I am firmly in favour of keeping it there.

A hospital in West Watford suits Watford very well. My strong preference is to keep it there.

I am pleased you agree with my position on the new hospital, keeping it in Watford. I believe most people in Watford would agree with that position.
I was misquoted there and a correcting article was later published. You are quoting from the wrong article. If we are building a new hospital for three towns worth of people I will look into whether the existing area (West Watford) can cope with it. If it can, I am firmly in favour of keeping it there. A hospital in West Watford suits Watford very well. My strong preference is to keep it there. I am pleased you agree with my position on the new hospital, keeping it in Watford. I believe most people in Watford would agree with that position. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -9

3:49pm Thu 24 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I was misquoted there and a correcting article was later published. You are quoting from the wrong article.

If we are building a new hospital for three towns worth of people I will look into whether the existing area (West Watford) can cope with it. If it can, I am firmly in favour of keeping it there.

A hospital in West Watford suits Watford very well. My strong preference is to keep it there.

I am pleased you agree with my position on the new hospital, keeping it in Watford. I believe most people in Watford would agree with that position.
Oh so the article in this paper that quoted you was wrong, okay.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I was misquoted there and a correcting article was later published. You are quoting from the wrong article. If we are building a new hospital for three towns worth of people I will look into whether the existing area (West Watford) can cope with it. If it can, I am firmly in favour of keeping it there. A hospital in West Watford suits Watford very well. My strong preference is to keep it there. I am pleased you agree with my position on the new hospital, keeping it in Watford. I believe most people in Watford would agree with that position.[/p][/quote]Oh so the article in this paper that quoted you was wrong, okay. ramage1996
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

Sara wrote:
If, in Matt Turmaine's words, Watford General has been in need of investment for a decade now, why did Ed Miliband's own government not make that investment?

After all, they were in power for more than six years of that decade, at a tine when the world had money to spend.

Why didn't the Labour government make that 'commitment to patients'?
If it is two wrongs as the hopital has been decoupled, how do you square it make it sound right in terms of the present so called 'Health Campus' which has become a high density scheme for developers?

The people of this country are poorly served by ego 'mimi centred' polticians who will do anything to maintain their power bases and it is wonder that people are disilusioned.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If, in Matt Turmaine's words, Watford General has been in need of investment for a decade now, why did Ed Miliband's own government not make that investment? After all, they were in power for more than six years of that decade, at a tine when the world had money to spend. Why didn't the Labour government make that 'commitment to patients'?[/p][/quote]If it is two wrongs as the hopital has been decoupled, how do you square it make it sound right in terms of the present so called 'Health Campus' which has become a high density scheme for developers? The people of this country are poorly served by ego 'mimi centred' polticians who will do anything to maintain their power bases and it is wonder that people are disilusioned. Cuetip
  • Score: -2

10:33pm Thu 24 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

One problem is that we were to have a "Health Campus" and it was to be to health what the new college is to FE or 16-18 education.
This has inevitably led to some "oh we will put it of till then" the problem is since the coalition Gov came to power "then" just ain't ever going to come.
One problem is that we were to have a "Health Campus" and it was to be to health what the new college is to FE or 16-18 education. This has inevitably led to some "oh we will put it of till then" the problem is since the coalition Gov came to power "then" just ain't ever going to come. ancientandageing
  • Score: 1

1:14am Fri 25 Apr 14

watfordman says...

labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working
labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working watfordman
  • Score: 3

7:24am Fri 25 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

watfordman wrote:
labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working
you know when people get desparate they come out with the selling of gold, please name one chancellor who has not sold gold since 1945, I think there might actually be one , but put that to one side and ask why?

You actually find it was to save the banks and head of a banking crises in the period 1999 to 2002. http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/finance/tho
maspascoe/100018367/
revealed-why-gordon-
brown-sold-britains-
gold-at-a-knock-down
-price/
Useless I think not, a cunning ploy yes.
[quote][p][bold]watfordman[/bold] wrote: labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working[/p][/quote]you know when people get desparate they come out with the selling of gold, please name one chancellor who has not sold gold since 1945, I think there might actually be one , but put that to one side and ask why? You actually find it was to save the banks and head of a banking crises in the period 1999 to 2002. http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/finance/tho maspascoe/100018367/ revealed-why-gordon- brown-sold-britains- gold-at-a-knock-down -price/ Useless I think not, a cunning ploy yes. ancientandageing
  • Score: -3

7:54am Fri 25 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

ancientandageing wrote:
watfordman wrote:
labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working
you know when people get desparate they come out with the selling of gold, please name one chancellor who has not sold gold since 1945, I think there might actually be one , but put that to one side and ask why?

You actually find it was to save the banks and head of a banking crises in the period 1999 to 2002. http://blogs.telegra

ph.co.uk/finance/tho

maspascoe/100018367/

revealed-why-gordon-

brown-sold-britains-

gold-at-a-knock-down

-price/
Useless I think not, a cunning ploy yes.
How anyone can come out with that analysis baffles me. I can only put it down to blind party loyalty and tribalism.

Brown made a hugely expensive mistake. It cost this country a lot of money.

If you can't admit to your mistakes, how on earth do you expect to learn from them?

If you think Labour are perfect, vote for them. For the rest of us with our heads screwed on, there is always UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfordman[/bold] wrote: labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working[/p][/quote]you know when people get desparate they come out with the selling of gold, please name one chancellor who has not sold gold since 1945, I think there might actually be one , but put that to one side and ask why? You actually find it was to save the banks and head of a banking crises in the period 1999 to 2002. http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/finance/tho maspascoe/100018367/ revealed-why-gordon- brown-sold-britains- gold-at-a-knock-down -price/ Useless I think not, a cunning ploy yes.[/p][/quote]How anyone can come out with that analysis baffles me. I can only put it down to blind party loyalty and tribalism. Brown made a hugely expensive mistake. It cost this country a lot of money. If you can't admit to your mistakes, how on earth do you expect to learn from them? If you think Labour are perfect, vote for them. For the rest of us with our heads screwed on, there is always UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -6

9:05am Fri 25 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
watfordman wrote:
labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working
you know when people get desparate they come out with the selling of gold, please name one chancellor who has not sold gold since 1945, I think there might actually be one , but put that to one side and ask why?

You actually find it was to save the banks and head of a banking crises in the period 1999 to 2002. http://blogs.telegra


ph.co.uk/finance/tho


maspascoe/100018367/


revealed-why-gordon-


brown-sold-britains-


gold-at-a-knock-down


-price/
Useless I think not, a cunning ploy yes.
How anyone can come out with that analysis baffles me. I can only put it down to blind party loyalty and tribalism.

Brown made a hugely expensive mistake. It cost this country a lot of money.

If you can't admit to your mistakes, how on earth do you expect to learn from them?

If you think Labour are perfect, vote for them. For the rest of us with our heads screwed on, there is always UKIP.
You might want to read the article. The treasury move in mysterious ways.

Detractors when desperate tend to change the subject which is what @watfordman appears to have done

I note however that you just come up with slogans and rhetoric as usual, going along the detractor line like @watfordman, he couldn't be one of the UKIP "peoples army" cyber division, watford branch could he?

The overwhelming impression I get is that on the issue of the NHS people can put everything in context and see that in broad terms Labour have shown by dead and action commitment to the NHS and that going forward both locally and nationally Labour are the best Party.

The NHS is only safe in Labour hands
I
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfordman[/bold] wrote: labour are useless . milliband useless . labour mass immigration 4.5 million in 10 years. sold gold worth 15 billoin for half the price well done g .brown . 2.5 million out of work when labour left office , lobour wasnt working[/p][/quote]you know when people get desparate they come out with the selling of gold, please name one chancellor who has not sold gold since 1945, I think there might actually be one , but put that to one side and ask why? You actually find it was to save the banks and head of a banking crises in the period 1999 to 2002. http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/finance/tho maspascoe/100018367/ revealed-why-gordon- brown-sold-britains- gold-at-a-knock-down -price/ Useless I think not, a cunning ploy yes.[/p][/quote]How anyone can come out with that analysis baffles me. I can only put it down to blind party loyalty and tribalism. Brown made a hugely expensive mistake. It cost this country a lot of money. If you can't admit to your mistakes, how on earth do you expect to learn from them? If you think Labour are perfect, vote for them. For the rest of us with our heads screwed on, there is always UKIP.[/p][/quote]You might want to read the article. The treasury move in mysterious ways. Detractors when desperate tend to change the subject which is what @watfordman appears to have done I note however that you just come up with slogans and rhetoric as usual, going along the detractor line like @watfordman, he couldn't be one of the UKIP "peoples army" cyber division, watford branch could he? The overwhelming impression I get is that on the issue of the NHS people can put everything in context and see that in broad terms Labour have shown by dead and action commitment to the NHS and that going forward both locally and nationally Labour are the best Party. The NHS is only safe in Labour hands I ancientandageing
  • Score: -5

9:21pm Fri 25 Apr 14

watfordman says...

socialist ed milliband who lives and owns in a 1 million pound house in london. was a member of gordon browns govt which de regulated the banks causing the collapse of uk banks . gordon brown sold 15 billion of uk gold for 7 billion, 15 billion would of paid for the Olympics, new schools , hospitals , 13 years of labour govt brought us 2 wars one war was based on false wmd info by t . blair , 2.5 million people were unemployed when 13 years of labour party waste were brought to a end.
socialist ed milliband who lives and owns in a 1 million pound house in london. was a member of gordon browns govt which de regulated the banks causing the collapse of uk banks . gordon brown sold 15 billion of uk gold for 7 billion, 15 billion would of paid for the Olympics, new schools , hospitals , 13 years of labour govt brought us 2 wars one war was based on false wmd info by t . blair , 2.5 million people were unemployed when 13 years of labour party waste were brought to a end. watfordman
  • Score: 4

11:16am Sat 26 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

watfordman wrote:
socialist ed milliband who lives and owns in a 1 million pound house in london. was a member of gordon browns govt which de regulated the banks causing the collapse of uk banks . gordon brown sold 15 billion of uk gold for 7 billion, 15 billion would of paid for the Olympics, new schools , hospitals , 13 years of labour govt brought us 2 wars one war was based on false wmd info by t . blair , 2.5 million people were unemployed when 13 years of labour party waste were brought to a end.
Not to mention re-negotiating the GP's contract so they don't have to work weekends or nights, increasing pressures on A&E services, and at the same time raising their pay to £100k or above. Very socialist I don't think. Labour are the party who spend all the money and leave others to sort out up the mess.
Don't waste your vote on Labour, if you want low taxes coupled with good council services, vote LibDem here in watford
[quote][p][bold]watfordman[/bold] wrote: socialist ed milliband who lives and owns in a 1 million pound house in london. was a member of gordon browns govt which de regulated the banks causing the collapse of uk banks . gordon brown sold 15 billion of uk gold for 7 billion, 15 billion would of paid for the Olympics, new schools , hospitals , 13 years of labour govt brought us 2 wars one war was based on false wmd info by t . blair , 2.5 million people were unemployed when 13 years of labour party waste were brought to a end.[/p][/quote]Not to mention re-negotiating the GP's contract so they don't have to work weekends or nights, increasing pressures on A&E services, and at the same time raising their pay to £100k or above. Very socialist I don't think. Labour are the party who spend all the money and leave others to sort out up the mess. Don't waste your vote on Labour, if you want low taxes coupled with good council services, vote LibDem here in watford Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 2

9:28pm Tue 29 Apr 14

audentior01923 says...

You do realise that 0.01 % of people read these forums and even less are interested in the views of Z list politicians or ex politicians.

Not one "real" member of the public posts on these forums unless it's about Watford FC.

Phil the truth is no on cares what you or Mr Penn have to say on here.

Do yourself a favour and start setting up your "office for common sense" in the Tudor Arms and tell to anyone that cares.
You do realise that 0.01 % of people read these forums and even less are interested in the views of Z list politicians or ex politicians. Not one "real" member of the public posts on these forums unless it's about Watford FC. Phil the truth is no on cares what you or Mr Penn have to say on here. Do yourself a favour and start setting up your "office for common sense" in the Tudor Arms and tell to anyone that cares. audentior01923
  • Score: 0

8:19am Wed 30 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

audentior01923 wrote:
You do realise that 0.01 % of people read these forums and even less are interested in the views of Z list politicians or ex politicians.

Not one "real" member of the public posts on these forums unless it's about Watford FC.

Phil the truth is no on cares what you or Mr Penn have to say on here.

Do yourself a favour and start setting up your "office for common sense" in the Tudor Arms and tell to anyone that cares.
A message of advice from our rivals. Not as bad as the poison pen letter I received through the post encouraging me to quit UKIP before the Met Police take me to the cleaners, but an effort none the less.

Please forgive me if I doubt your ability to speak for the whole of Watford and the wisdom and sincerity of your words.

UKIP are doing very well thank you. The response we are getting on the doorstep is very encouraging indeed.

I look forward to the vote and the hustings.

I took part in a radio interview with Dorothy Thornhill a few days ago and Dorothy was extremely evasive about whether the Health Campus included a new hospital. It doesn't include a new hospital, but that fact has passed a lot of people by but she wriggled like mad and changed the subject in a desperate attempt not to answer that question.

In exasperation the interviewer used this phrase to Dorothy "That is misleading isn't it, to say the least?". An accurate observation if ever there was one.

Round one and the misleading Dorothy Thornhil did not come out well.
Is it now time for new management at Watford Town Hall?

I believe it is and an awful lot of people agree with me. On the streets we are overwhelmingly met either with support or the refrain "Anyone but Dorothy".

May 22nd will be an historic day for UKIP.

No wonder Audentior is worried.

UKIP would campaign for a new hospital in Watford, preferably on the Health Campus site if the LibDems have not destroyed it first by overdeveloping it with housing.

Watford deserves better.
[quote][p][bold]audentior01923[/bold] wrote: You do realise that 0.01 % of people read these forums and even less are interested in the views of Z list politicians or ex politicians. Not one "real" member of the public posts on these forums unless it's about Watford FC. Phil the truth is no on cares what you or Mr Penn have to say on here. Do yourself a favour and start setting up your "office for common sense" in the Tudor Arms and tell to anyone that cares.[/p][/quote]A message of advice from our rivals. Not as bad as the poison pen letter I received through the post encouraging me to quit UKIP before the Met Police take me to the cleaners, but an effort none the less. Please forgive me if I doubt your ability to speak for the whole of Watford and the wisdom and sincerity of your words. UKIP are doing very well thank you. The response we are getting on the doorstep is very encouraging indeed. I look forward to the vote and the hustings. I took part in a radio interview with Dorothy Thornhill a few days ago and Dorothy was extremely evasive about whether the Health Campus included a new hospital. It doesn't include a new hospital, but that fact has passed a lot of people by but she wriggled like mad and changed the subject in a desperate attempt not to answer that question. In exasperation the interviewer used this phrase to Dorothy "That is misleading isn't it, to say the least?". An accurate observation if ever there was one. Round one and the misleading Dorothy Thornhil did not come out well. Is it now time for new management at Watford Town Hall? I believe it is and an awful lot of people agree with me. On the streets we are overwhelmingly met either with support or the refrain "Anyone but Dorothy". May 22nd will be an historic day for UKIP. No wonder Audentior is worried. UKIP would campaign for a new hospital in Watford, preferably on the Health Campus site if the LibDems have not destroyed it first by overdeveloping it with housing. Watford deserves better. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

8:53am Wed 30 Apr 14

audentior01923 says...

I fell asleep Phil, can you please run that by me again, I switched off at "a message".

What will UKIP come up with next, the office of funny walks......

Your right Watford does deserve better then a bunch of fascist racists like UKIP.

http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/apr/29/10-good-reas
ons-not-vote-ukip-ni
gel-farage-europe
I fell asleep Phil, can you please run that by me again, I switched off at "a message". What will UKIP come up with next, the office of funny walks...... Your right Watford does deserve better then a bunch of fascist racists like UKIP. http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /apr/29/10-good-reas ons-not-vote-ukip-ni gel-farage-europe audentior01923
  • Score: 0

8:54am Wed 30 Apr 14

audentior01923 says...

http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/apr/29/10-good-reas
ons-not-vote-ukip-ni
gel-farage-europe
http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /apr/29/10-good-reas ons-not-vote-ukip-ni gel-farage-europe audentior01923
  • Score: 0

9:04am Wed 30 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Four good reasons to vote UKIP.

We are not LibDems

We are not Labour

We are not conservatives

We are UKIP and we listen to and represent the people of this country.

Two more good reasons to vote UKIP

We will leave the EU and save the country £55 million a day. We will also pop the lie put about by the LibDems that we will lose 3 million jobs if we leave the EU. Ask them a straight question and get anything but a straight answer. Just listen to Dorothy Thornhill on the radio interview. Slippery as a fish! Did she learn it from Clegg.

We will take back control of immigration and make sure that immigration into the UK, which will continue, is positive immigration for the UK.

You will always be able to find those who are given the privilege of writing in the press to support the prejudices that you hold so dear, it has ever been thus. The problem for you now is that people are seeing beyond the slurs and looking at UKIP directly rather than through the distorted prism of the LibLabCon, and they rather like what they are seeing.

Many more people will be voting UKIP at this election. Your smears are no longer working and the truth is a stranger to those like you.

Vote UKIP and let's put this town straight.

Roll on 22nd May.
Four good reasons to vote UKIP. We are not LibDems We are not Labour We are not conservatives We are UKIP and we listen to and represent the people of this country. Two more good reasons to vote UKIP We will leave the EU and save the country £55 million a day. We will also pop the lie put about by the LibDems that we will lose 3 million jobs if we leave the EU. Ask them a straight question and get anything but a straight answer. Just listen to Dorothy Thornhill on the radio interview. Slippery as a fish! Did she learn it from Clegg. We will take back control of immigration and make sure that immigration into the UK, which will continue, is positive immigration for the UK. You will always be able to find those who are given the privilege of writing in the press to support the prejudices that you hold so dear, it has ever been thus. The problem for you now is that people are seeing beyond the slurs and looking at UKIP directly rather than through the distorted prism of the LibLabCon, and they rather like what they are seeing. Many more people will be voting UKIP at this election. Your smears are no longer working and the truth is a stranger to those like you. Vote UKIP and let's put this town straight. Roll on 22nd May. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

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