Watford mayor refuses to be 'bullied' into ruling out 2015 Westminster bid

Watford mayor refuses to be 'bullied' into ruling out 2015 Westminster bid

Watford mayor refuses to be 'bullied' into ruling out 2015 Westminster bid

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

Watford’s mayor has refused to clarify whether she will complete her fourth term if re-elected or if she will stand for MP next year, following a challenge from a political opponent.

Dorothy Thornhill said she would not be "bullied" into making commitments about her future after her Labour challenger Jagtar Singh Dhinsda said the town "deserves a full-time mayor".

However she promised that if elected she would guarantee "four years of hard work" for the town.

The Liberal Democrat mayor also attacked Councillor Dhindsa for running for re-election as a Vicarage councillor and mayor when holding both jobs is prohibited.

She said: "This is rich coming from the party whose mayoral candidate is standing as a councillor and when he can’t legally hold both positions. I am not going to be bullied to dance to Labour’s tune.

"If elected I will guarantee four years of hard work for our town and the residents."

The Liberal Democrats are yet to select their Parliamentary candidate for Watford and last year the mayor refused to rule out running for the job.

In the 2010 General Election Lib Dem candidate, Sal Brinton, came a close second and was only beaten by Conservative incumbent, Richard Harrington, by 1,425 votes.

Mayor Thornhill has won all three mayoral elections since the post was created in 2002. After securing her third term in 2010 she initially ruled out running for a fourth but later changed her mind.

Last year Mayor Thornhill said a health scare had been behind her initial comments about a fourth term but she had changed her mind as she wanted to see through large projects such as the health campus.

This week councillor Dhindsa said: "She (the mayor) is all over the show. One minute she says she won’t go again, now she’s gone back on that promise. 

"Now she says people should vote for her, but even if she wins, which is doubtful, is she going to go the whole four year term, or is she going to attempt to wriggle out of the role in less than 12 months and instead stand for Westminster?"

"Watford deserves a full-time mayor and that is exactly what I will be, not someone gazing out of the window, paying little attention and instead dreaming of being an MP.

"It is disrespectful to the town that she will not be straight, open and honest and plainly say she will serve a full four year term in re-elected and rule out jacking the job in after 11 months to stand for Parliament."

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5:19pm Thu 1 May 14

Harry Caine says...

How can anyone believe Downhill Dorothy's promises?

This was the person who campaigned vigorously against the very idea of an elected Mayor for Watford. She even promised, if elected, to hold another referendum on the issue in her 2002 election manifesto

Her track record should tell us not to hold our breath whenever she promises anything
How can anyone believe Downhill Dorothy's promises? This was the person who campaigned vigorously against the very idea of an elected Mayor for Watford. She even promised, if elected, to hold another referendum on the issue in her 2002 election manifesto Her track record should tell us not to hold our breath whenever she promises anything Harry Caine
  • Score: 13

5:20pm Thu 1 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Here's how it works.

Dorothy (DT) hopes to be re-elected Mayor in May. Whether she is or is not re-elected, she will then declare as parliamentary candidate. If elected, she will be less than a full-time Mayor over the next 12 months because she will be working towards her MP election campaign.

If DT fails to become MP, she will go back to being a full-time Mayor and likely serve the full term of four years.

If DT becomes our MP, she will consider that to count as "four years of hard work for our town and the residents" and resign as Mayor. A new Mayoral election will be called.

So, whilst using ambiguous words to mask her real intentions, she will in her own mind have kept her word. That's the way the LibDems treat people and an example of their openness and honesty towards the residents of this town.

If anyone was expecting a straight answer from our Mayor DT, they are living in a dreamworld, or cloud cuckoo land. Isn't that right Dorothy?

As for Cllr Dhindsa, he does not want to lose his role as councillor and quite rightly does not expect to become the next Mayor of Watford.

Both candidates are hedging their bets, just in different ways.

One thing I agree with Cllr Dhindsa. It is disrespectful to our town for Dorothy Thornhill not to be open and honest about her intentions over becoming an MP in 2015.

If another Mayoral election has to be held next year it will incur significant expense to the town that frankly is not warranted just to serve the ambitions and ego of one woman.

It is clear that DT is already under threat of not being re-elected in May. If she were honest about her future intentions it would likely damage her prospects of re-election still further. Voters should factor in her ambitions before considering voting for her as Mayor.

I do believe that if a Mayoral candidate does not intend to serve a full term then that Mayoral candidate should not stand. It is not fair to the town or the electors.

Out of interest, does anyone have the cost of running a town-wide Mayoral election? If this comes about then it will be paid for out of our council taxes and will be a complete waste of taxpayers money.

Dorothy Thornhill owes the electors of Watford an answer, a proper answer.

Will she have the courage and moral conviction to be straight with the people of Watford? Judging by the answer given above, it is not likely.

By not ruling out her standing as an MP if elected as Mayor, in other words not committing to serve a full four-year term as Mayor, she has left herself open to criticism. Why would she do that?

Answers on a ballot paper....(vote UKIP)
Here's how it works. Dorothy (DT) hopes to be re-elected Mayor in May. Whether she is or is not re-elected, she will then declare as parliamentary candidate. If elected, she will be less than a full-time Mayor over the next 12 months because she will be working towards her MP election campaign. If DT fails to become MP, she will go back to being a full-time Mayor and likely serve the full term of four years. If DT becomes our MP, she will consider that to count as "four years of hard work for our town and the residents" and resign as Mayor. A new Mayoral election will be called. So, whilst using ambiguous words to mask her real intentions, she will in her own mind have kept her word. That's the way the LibDems treat people and an example of their openness and honesty towards the residents of this town. If anyone was expecting a straight answer from our Mayor DT, they are living in a dreamworld, or cloud cuckoo land. Isn't that right Dorothy? As for Cllr Dhindsa, he does not want to lose his role as councillor and quite rightly does not expect to become the next Mayor of Watford. Both candidates are hedging their bets, just in different ways. One thing I agree with Cllr Dhindsa. It is disrespectful to our town for Dorothy Thornhill not to be open and honest about her intentions over becoming an MP in 2015. If another Mayoral election has to be held next year it will incur significant expense to the town that frankly is not warranted just to serve the ambitions and ego of one woman. It is clear that DT is already under threat of not being re-elected in May. If she were honest about her future intentions it would likely damage her prospects of re-election still further. Voters should factor in her ambitions before considering voting for her as Mayor. I do believe that if a Mayoral candidate does not intend to serve a full term then that Mayoral candidate should not stand. It is not fair to the town or the electors. Out of interest, does anyone have the cost of running a town-wide Mayoral election? If this comes about then it will be paid for out of our council taxes and will be a complete waste of taxpayers money. Dorothy Thornhill owes the electors of Watford an answer, a proper answer. Will she have the courage and moral conviction to be straight with the people of Watford? Judging by the answer given above, it is not likely. By not ruling out her standing as an MP if elected as Mayor, in other words not committing to serve a full four-year term as Mayor, she has left herself open to criticism. Why would she do that? Answers on a ballot paper....(vote UKIP) Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 10

5:51pm Thu 1 May 14

Nick Lincoln says...

I echo the sentiments of Phil Cox as posted above (I am involved with UKIP locally, before the rants start).

Always the way with bullies. Turn the tables and they run to teacher.

It is quite simple. Mayor Thornhill stands as Mayor on a four year mandate. Or she stands down on 22nd May and stands as an MP the following year.

The line between "vocation" and "career" in politics was crossed many years ago: nevertheless, from a local politician supposedly in office to serve this town, this display is very poor.

No one is bullying anyone: A "politician" to her core, Dorothy Thornhill knows now what her plans are for 2015. We know that. And she knows we know it. So why the evasiveness?

Nick Lincoln
Chairman, UKIP Watford
I echo the sentiments of Phil Cox as posted above (I am involved with UKIP locally, before the rants start). Always the way with bullies. Turn the tables and they run to teacher. It is quite simple. Mayor Thornhill stands as Mayor on a four year mandate. Or she stands down on 22nd May and stands as an MP the following year. The line between "vocation" and "career" in politics was crossed many years ago: nevertheless, from a local politician supposedly in office to serve this town, this display is very poor. No one is bullying anyone: A "politician" to her core, Dorothy Thornhill knows now what her plans are for 2015. We know that. And she knows we know it. So why the evasiveness? Nick Lincoln Chairman, UKIP Watford Nick Lincoln
  • Score: 7

6:24pm Thu 1 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

Frankly it doesn't matter if Dorothy stands for MP as well as mayor......she will not get elected for either post so perhaps she should look for another way to spend her time.......i recommend she puts her name down for an allotment quickly before they are all sold off!
Frankly it doesn't matter if Dorothy stands for MP as well as mayor......she will not get elected for either post so perhaps she should look for another way to spend her time.......i recommend she puts her name down for an allotment quickly before they are all sold off! bishopofwatford
  • Score: 7

6:57pm Thu 1 May 14

phil mitchel says...

Maybe she would like to explain how I can vote for someone who is not prepared to commit at the time of election to serving the full term. I can't give my vote to anyone who can't be honest on such a fundamental point.
Maybe she would like to explain how I can vote for someone who is not prepared to commit at the time of election to serving the full term. I can't give my vote to anyone who can't be honest on such a fundamental point. phil mitchel
  • Score: 7

10:33pm Thu 1 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

phil mitchel wrote:
Maybe she would like to explain how I can vote for someone who is not prepared to commit at the time of election to serving the full term. I can't give my vote to anyone who can't be honest on such a fundamental point.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]phil mitchel[/bold] wrote: Maybe she would like to explain how I can vote for someone who is not prepared to commit at the time of election to serving the full term. I can't give my vote to anyone who can't be honest on such a fundamental point.[/p][/quote]Well said Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

10:50pm Thu 1 May 14

phil mitchel says...

I think we must assume she will seek election as MP next year because if she had no intention, she would declare that she will serve the full term as mayor if elected. It's more a case of what she's not saying rather that what she is saying. It's a pity she hasn't the decency to be honest with the electorate rather then treat them as idiots.
I think we must assume she will seek election as MP next year because if she had no intention, she would declare that she will serve the full term as mayor if elected. It's more a case of what she's not saying rather that what she is saying. It's a pity she hasn't the decency to be honest with the electorate rather then treat them as idiots. phil mitchel
  • Score: 1

10:57pm Thu 1 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

phil mitchel wrote:
I think we must assume she will seek election as MP next year because if she had no intention, she would declare that she will serve the full term as mayor if elected. It's more a case of what she's not saying rather that what she is saying. It's a pity she hasn't the decency to be honest with the electorate rather then treat them as idiots.
Once again, well said.
[quote][p][bold]phil mitchel[/bold] wrote: I think we must assume she will seek election as MP next year because if she had no intention, she would declare that she will serve the full term as mayor if elected. It's more a case of what she's not saying rather that what she is saying. It's a pity she hasn't the decency to be honest with the electorate rather then treat them as idiots.[/p][/quote]Once again, well said. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

10:29am Fri 2 May 14

garston tony says...

I'm actually glad that she isnt coming out and declaring she will/will not stand as MP in the future as the uncertainty over her future will hopefully put people off voting for her.

By clouding us about her future plans she is showing a total lack of respect for the people of Watford, voters have a right to know that the person they are voting for has the full intention should they win of serving the full term of office for which they stood for. Leaving the door open so that she can jump ship a year later shows her true colours, she doesnt actually care about the town or the people that live in it just her own career and profile.

Seriously people why would you want to vote for a person like that be it for Mayor or MP?
I'm actually glad that she isnt coming out and declaring she will/will not stand as MP in the future as the uncertainty over her future will hopefully put people off voting for her. By clouding us about her future plans she is showing a total lack of respect for the people of Watford, voters have a right to know that the person they are voting for has the full intention should they win of serving the full term of office for which they stood for. Leaving the door open so that she can jump ship a year later shows her true colours, she doesnt actually care about the town or the people that live in it just her own career and profile. Seriously people why would you want to vote for a person like that be it for Mayor or MP? garston tony
  • Score: 7

10:39am Fri 2 May 14

garston tony says...

garston tony wrote:
I'm actually glad that she isnt coming out and declaring she will/will not stand as MP in the future as the uncertainty over her future will hopefully put people off voting for her. By clouding us about her future plans she is showing a total lack of respect for the people of Watford, voters have a right to know that the person they are voting for has the full intention should they win of serving the full term of office for which they stood for. Leaving the door open so that she can jump ship a year later shows her true colours, she doesnt actually care about the town or the people that live in it just her own career and profile. Seriously people why would you want to vote for a person like that be it for Mayor or MP?
In the run up to the elections is the WO going to be publishing as many photos and articles of/about other mayoral candidates as it does of the current post holder DT? You know, in fairness etc?

I hope not, considering the amount of photo opportunities DT likes to attend if all candidates are given equal attention the paper will be HUGE.

Could I suggest therefore doing something that many people have been calling for for many a year, please stop being DT's personal cheerleaders and limit the amount of space you devote to her.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: I'm actually glad that she isnt coming out and declaring she will/will not stand as MP in the future as the uncertainty over her future will hopefully put people off voting for her. By clouding us about her future plans she is showing a total lack of respect for the people of Watford, voters have a right to know that the person they are voting for has the full intention should they win of serving the full term of office for which they stood for. Leaving the door open so that she can jump ship a year later shows her true colours, she doesnt actually care about the town or the people that live in it just her own career and profile. Seriously people why would you want to vote for a person like that be it for Mayor or MP?[/p][/quote]In the run up to the elections is the WO going to be publishing as many photos and articles of/about other mayoral candidates as it does of the current post holder DT? You know, in fairness etc? I hope not, considering the amount of photo opportunities DT likes to attend if all candidates are given equal attention the paper will be HUGE. Could I suggest therefore doing something that many people have been calling for for many a year, please stop being DT's personal cheerleaders and limit the amount of space you devote to her. garston tony
  • Score: 6

1:58pm Fri 2 May 14

MJ1 says...

Diversionary tactics from the Mayor won't wash. How is it 'bullying' to ask her to guarantee that she will serve a full term if elected? This trivialises the term to something meaningless whereas bullying is a very serious issue.
It's a very simple question but seemingly difficult for to answer honestly. If the truth were known she has alredy decided to stand as MP in 12 months time but cannot come clean as she would have to admit to the electors that they are bieng asked to vote for someone who is not going to complete the job as mayor.
In criticising Jagtar Singh Dhindsa she seems to have conveniently forgotten that she stood for Mayor in 2002 when still a councillor thereby causing a by-election when she was elected. Nothing wrong with that but why now criticise her main opponent for doing the same.
Having also failed in her party's attempt to smear their main opponent, she would gain more respect if she admitted that her aspirations are elsewhere and stood down now.
Diversionary tactics from the Mayor won't wash. How is it 'bullying' to ask her to guarantee that she will serve a full term if elected? This trivialises the term to something meaningless whereas bullying is a very serious issue. It's a very simple question but seemingly difficult for to answer honestly. If the truth were known she has alredy decided to stand as MP in 12 months time but cannot come clean as she would have to admit to the electors that they are bieng asked to vote for someone who is not going to complete the job as mayor. In criticising Jagtar Singh Dhindsa she seems to have conveniently forgotten that she stood for Mayor in 2002 when still a councillor thereby causing a by-election when she was elected. Nothing wrong with that but why now criticise her main opponent for doing the same. Having also failed in her party's attempt to smear their main opponent, she would gain more respect if she admitted that her aspirations are elsewhere and stood down now. MJ1
  • Score: 4

3:28pm Fri 2 May 14

D_Penn says...

There are few simple things in politics, but this is an easy one.

Thornhill refuses to say if she would complete a fourth term as Mayor if (big if) elected. So everyone can bet their house that her name will be on the General Election ballot paper next year.

Given her refusal to be straight with people, I hope the electorate keep it simple too. Don't vote for her.
There are few simple things in politics, but this is an easy one. Thornhill refuses to say if she would complete a fourth term as Mayor if (big if) elected. So everyone can bet their house that her name will be on the General Election ballot paper next year. Given her refusal to be straight with people, I hope the electorate keep it simple too. Don't vote for her. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

6:46pm Fri 2 May 14

ancientandageing says...

SO WHAT?

I see no chance of the libdems winning in Watford in 2015 none, they could put up a clone John stuart mill, beveridge, Gladstone Grimmond or Keynes and loss.

Let her stand, who cares, really who gives a flying fit of fatulance; as far as westminster goes the Libdems are dead in the water, and as far as Watford and Westminster if they couldn't win in 2010, then they just will not win in 2015.

Locally in general they have produced their local manefesto UKIP and the Tory party are not on the radar clearly Labour have them rattled.
SO WHAT? I see no chance of the libdems winning in Watford in 2015 none, they could put up a clone John stuart mill, beveridge, Gladstone Grimmond or Keynes and loss. Let her stand, who cares, really who gives a flying fit of fatulance; as far as westminster goes the Libdems are dead in the water, and as far as Watford and Westminster if they couldn't win in 2010, then they just will not win in 2015. Locally in general they have produced their local manefesto UKIP and the Tory party are not on the radar clearly Labour have them rattled. ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

7:28pm Fri 2 May 14

ancientandageing says...

MJ1 wrote:
Diversionary tactics from the Mayor won't wash. How is it 'bullying' to ask her to guarantee that she will serve a full term if elected? This trivialises the term to something meaningless whereas bullying is a very serious issue.
It's a very simple question but seemingly difficult for to answer honestly. If the truth were known she has alredy decided to stand as MP in 12 months time but cannot come clean as she would have to admit to the electors that they are bieng asked to vote for someone who is not going to complete the job as mayor.
In criticising Jagtar Singh Dhindsa she seems to have conveniently forgotten that she stood for Mayor in 2002 when still a councillor thereby causing a by-election when she was elected. Nothing wrong with that but why now criticise her main opponent for doing the same.
Having also failed in her party's attempt to smear their main opponent, she would gain more respect if she admitted that her aspirations are elsewhere and stood down now.
mind you there is this crass hypocracy seems Dotty il Duce is criticising Jagtar for doing exactly the same thing as her, utter muppet!!!
[quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: Diversionary tactics from the Mayor won't wash. How is it 'bullying' to ask her to guarantee that she will serve a full term if elected? This trivialises the term to something meaningless whereas bullying is a very serious issue. It's a very simple question but seemingly difficult for to answer honestly. If the truth were known she has alredy decided to stand as MP in 12 months time but cannot come clean as she would have to admit to the electors that they are bieng asked to vote for someone who is not going to complete the job as mayor. In criticising Jagtar Singh Dhindsa she seems to have conveniently forgotten that she stood for Mayor in 2002 when still a councillor thereby causing a by-election when she was elected. Nothing wrong with that but why now criticise her main opponent for doing the same. Having also failed in her party's attempt to smear their main opponent, she would gain more respect if she admitted that her aspirations are elsewhere and stood down now.[/p][/quote]mind you there is this crass hypocracy seems Dotty il Duce is criticising Jagtar for doing exactly the same thing as her, utter muppet!!! ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Fri 2 May 14

ancientandageing says...

the Dotty il Duce thing

Now it is not a race thing, it is just a joke, let me explain I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are)

No if you look at our town crest it has a bundle of sticks, the symbol of power for Rome the same Fasciti that Moussolini or il Duce used. I find Dorothy or Dotty as she is mockingly known to be somewhat autheraterian, plus she is the Leader of the local Lubdems, there is a certain assenance in then putting Dotty il Duce together, so yes it isa sort of joke effering to different elements of the Town History and Politics.

I will hold my hands up to not being very good at jokes, but I am not calling her racist far from it, I do not believe Dotty is racist and hold this to be her only saving grace.
the Dotty il Duce thing Now it is not a race thing, it is just a joke, let me explain I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are) No if you look at our town crest it has a bundle of sticks, the symbol of power for Rome the same Fasciti that Moussolini or il Duce used. I find Dorothy or Dotty as she is mockingly known to be somewhat autheraterian, plus she is the Leader of the local Lubdems, there is a certain assenance in then putting Dotty il Duce together, so yes it isa sort of joke effering to different elements of the Town History and Politics. I will hold my hands up to not being very good at jokes, but I am not calling her racist far from it, I do not believe Dotty is racist and hold this to be her only saving grace. ancientandageing
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Fri 2 May 14

D_Penn says...

Ancientandageing wrote:

"...I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are)"

Just to correct your misconception, from the UKIP constitution...

"The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law."
Ancientandageing wrote: "...I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are)" Just to correct your misconception, from the UKIP constitution... "The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law." D_Penn
  • Score: -2

8:15pm Fri 2 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

ancientandageing wrote:
the Dotty il Duce thing

Now it is not a race thing, it is just a joke, let me explain I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are)

No if you look at our town crest it has a bundle of sticks, the symbol of power for Rome the same Fasciti that Moussolini or il Duce used. I find Dorothy or Dotty as she is mockingly known to be somewhat autheraterian, plus she is the Leader of the local Lubdems, there is a certain assenance in then putting Dotty il Duce together, so yes it isa sort of joke effering to different elements of the Town History and Politics.

I will hold my hands up to not being very good at jokes, but I am not calling her racist far from it, I do not believe Dotty is racist and hold this to be her only saving grace.
You constantly throw the racists card around the way most people mention the weather or the cost of petrol. You really do have a SERIOUS issue with race, don't you? We don't and there lies your problem. You plague the WO pages day after day desperately seeking attention. We are NOT listening to you!
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: the Dotty il Duce thing Now it is not a race thing, it is just a joke, let me explain I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are) No if you look at our town crest it has a bundle of sticks, the symbol of power for Rome the same Fasciti that Moussolini or il Duce used. I find Dorothy or Dotty as she is mockingly known to be somewhat autheraterian, plus she is the Leader of the local Lubdems, there is a certain assenance in then putting Dotty il Duce together, so yes it isa sort of joke effering to different elements of the Town History and Politics. I will hold my hands up to not being very good at jokes, but I am not calling her racist far from it, I do not believe Dotty is racist and hold this to be her only saving grace.[/p][/quote]You constantly throw the racists card around the way most people mention the weather or the cost of petrol. You really do have a SERIOUS issue with race, don't you? We don't and there lies your problem. You plague the WO pages day after day desperately seeking attention. We are NOT listening to you! LocalBoy1
  • Score: 3

8:30pm Fri 2 May 14

ancientandageing says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
the Dotty il Duce thing

Now it is not a race thing, it is just a joke, let me explain I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are)

No if you look at our town crest it has a bundle of sticks, the symbol of power for Rome the same Fasciti that Moussolini or il Duce used. I find Dorothy or Dotty as she is mockingly known to be somewhat autheraterian, plus she is the Leader of the local Lubdems, there is a certain assenance in then putting Dotty il Duce together, so yes it isa sort of joke effering to different elements of the Town History and Politics.

I will hold my hands up to not being very good at jokes, but I am not calling her racist far from it, I do not believe Dotty is racist and hold this to be her only saving grace.
You constantly throw the racists card around the way most people mention the weather or the cost of petrol. You really do have a SERIOUS issue with race, don't you? We don't and there lies your problem. You plague the WO pages day after day desperately seeking attention. We are NOT listening to you!
It seems I am not alone

http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/apr/28/ukip-europea
n-election-accused-o
f-racism

& with this years Eastern region list I think you will find a growing number of people share my view that your party is Racist with serious islamaphobic issues.

get used to it Local Boy BTW are you Dan Channing
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: the Dotty il Duce thing Now it is not a race thing, it is just a joke, let me explain I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are) No if you look at our town crest it has a bundle of sticks, the symbol of power for Rome the same Fasciti that Moussolini or il Duce used. I find Dorothy or Dotty as she is mockingly known to be somewhat autheraterian, plus she is the Leader of the local Lubdems, there is a certain assenance in then putting Dotty il Duce together, so yes it isa sort of joke effering to different elements of the Town History and Politics. I will hold my hands up to not being very good at jokes, but I am not calling her racist far from it, I do not believe Dotty is racist and hold this to be her only saving grace.[/p][/quote]You constantly throw the racists card around the way most people mention the weather or the cost of petrol. You really do have a SERIOUS issue with race, don't you? We don't and there lies your problem. You plague the WO pages day after day desperately seeking attention. We are NOT listening to you![/p][/quote]It seems I am not alone http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /apr/28/ukip-europea n-election-accused-o f-racism & with this years Eastern region list I think you will find a growing number of people share my view that your party is Racist with serious islamaphobic issues. get used to it Local Boy BTW are you Dan Channing ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

8:34pm Fri 2 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
Ancientandageing wrote:

"...I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are)"

Just to correct your misconception, from the UKIP constitution...

"The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law."
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this-really-2014/

Dan Hodges has your party bang to rites here
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: Ancientandageing wrote: "...I do not hold Dorothy to be racist ( I am however one of the third of UK people who think UKIP are)" Just to correct your misconception, from the UKIP constitution... "The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law."[/p][/quote]http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/danhod ges/100269826/jeremy -clarkson-and-n-r-uk ip-and-romanians-is- this-really-2014/ Dan Hodges has your party bang to rites here ancientandageing
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8:14am Sat 3 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Dan Hodges, and how does he know?

Could he be prejudiced in any way do you think, like other politicians and commentators?

Journalists of a certain political persuasion and politicians are going into overdrive to try to halt the rise of UKIP and our popularity amongst ordinary and decent people.

It's not working, is it?

VOTE UKIP, GET UKIP

May 22nd
Dan Hodges, and how does he know? Could he be prejudiced in any way do you think, like other politicians and commentators? Journalists of a certain political persuasion and politicians are going into overdrive to try to halt the rise of UKIP and our popularity amongst ordinary and decent people. It's not working, is it? VOTE UKIP, GET UKIP May 22nd Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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8:21am Sat 3 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Back on track, Dorothy Thornhill is being evasive again. Is she deliberately trying to mislead the people of Watford?

She should tell people her true intentions.

As has been said before, why would you vote for someone that refuses to be straight with you?

I believe the electorate of Watford are a lot smarter than she gives them credit for and will see right through this latest statement.

As a voter myself I am thoroughly fed up with politicians who use what they think are clever wordplay to mask the truth rather than tell the truth.

I suspect she has already made up her mind but is too scared to tell the people. That would just be disrespectful and egocentric.
Back on track, Dorothy Thornhill is being evasive again. Is she deliberately trying to mislead the people of Watford? She should tell people her true intentions. As has been said before, why would you vote for someone that refuses to be straight with you? I believe the electorate of Watford are a lot smarter than she gives them credit for and will see right through this latest statement. As a voter myself I am thoroughly fed up with politicians who use what they think are clever wordplay to mask the truth rather than tell the truth. I suspect she has already made up her mind but is too scared to tell the people. That would just be disrespectful and egocentric. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

10:15am Sat 3 May 14

ancientandageing says...

@phil cox
I believe your party to be an odious little racist party, and quite frankly with adopting the BNP Slogan, overtly courting the racist vote, stiring up fear of immigration, and selecting an MEP for this region who has as a jurnalist expossed islamaphobic views; I fail to see why you or anyone else shouldbe surprised.

So seing as you are not an offical moderator of this site and the issue of if your party is racist or not is relevant to the upcoming election, you can go shove your UKIP media manipulation handbook where the sun don't shine.

Now for various reasons I dislike the libdems intensely but the truth is I would rather have the libdems anyday above your racist party.

So you had the objectionable potential MEP Patrick O'Flynn, down here the other day do you agree with his views on Islam or not, you keep saying VOTE UKIP GET UKIP, so this is relevant.

On the subject of weasle words and promises I note that you have the brass neck not to have produced a local Manifesto no doubt on the premise that "Should" does not equal promise, You do aswell seem set to ride the gravy train if you win by taking the full salery despite your partys stance on cllr allowances etc.

Your bluster re Hodges shows that you really have no counter argument just retoric and dogma, I will continue to post on this subject you can rest assured, becouse it is the big deciet of your party that puts in to the shade all wrongdoing done by Dotty.
@phil cox I believe your party to be an odious little racist party, and quite frankly with adopting the BNP Slogan, overtly courting the racist vote, stiring up fear of immigration, and selecting an MEP for this region who has as a jurnalist expossed islamaphobic views; I fail to see why you or anyone else shouldbe surprised. So seing as you are not an offical moderator of this site and the issue of if your party is racist or not is relevant to the upcoming election, you can go shove your UKIP media manipulation handbook where the sun don't shine. Now for various reasons I dislike the libdems intensely but the truth is I would rather have the libdems anyday above your racist party. So you had the objectionable potential MEP Patrick O'Flynn, down here the other day do you agree with his views on Islam or not, you keep saying VOTE UKIP GET UKIP, so this is relevant. On the subject of weasle words and promises I note that you have the brass neck not to have produced a local Manifesto no doubt on the premise that "Should" does not equal promise, You do aswell seem set to ride the gravy train if you win by taking the full salery despite your partys stance on cllr allowances etc. Your bluster re Hodges shows that you really have no counter argument just retoric and dogma, I will continue to post on this subject you can rest assured, becouse it is the big deciet of your party that puts in to the shade all wrongdoing done by Dotty. ancientandageing
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10:18am Sat 3 May 14

trebleywebley says...

I'm hearing only bad news
I'm hearing only bad news trebleywebley
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12:07pm Sat 3 May 14

ancientandageing says...

@ Phil cox
might be an idea to put this alongside the views of Patrick
http://www.oldham-ch
ronicle.co.uk/news-f
eatures/8/news-headl
ines/85764/knock-dow
n-mosques-rant-of-ca
ndidate

and then say your party is not islamaphobic
@ Phil cox might be an idea to put this alongside the views of Patrick http://www.oldham-ch ronicle.co.uk/news-f eatures/8/news-headl ines/85764/knock-dow n-mosques-rant-of-ca ndidate and then say your party is not islamaphobic ancientandageing
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3:20pm Sat 3 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

UKIP is not an islamophobic party.

I hope that is clear enough for you.

We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers.

I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track.

A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.
UKIP is not an islamophobic party. I hope that is clear enough for you. We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers. I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track. A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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4:17pm Sat 3 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
UKIP is not an islamophobic party.

I hope that is clear enough for you.

We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers.

I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track.

A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.
really
what about statements like this

" On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com
munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."


"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced
electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: UKIP is not an islamophobic party. I hope that is clear enough for you. We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers. I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track. A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.[/p][/quote]really what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." ancientandageing
  • Score: 1

7:15pm Sat 3 May 14

D_Penn says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote: UKIP is not an islamophobic party. I hope that is clear enough for you. We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers. I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track. A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.
really what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced
��electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
I don't know where you got this from but I would totally reject it.

The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over.

I know it is difficult for you to grasp, but despite you wanting to believe the worst of UKIP, the facts speak for themselves. The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP - a totally politically motivated fabrication which most people can see through. What the media are less willing to report is that, once identified, any person who reveals racist views are swiftly removed from UKIP because the huge majority of us do not want such people associated with us, never mind that racist views are counter to the UKIP constitution.

The sad thing is that by ignoring the truth of the real world, you have become the cloistered Miss Havisham of local politics. Just as the Dickens character irrationally hated all men, you have taken to attacking UKIP regardless, ignoring the fact that we are here to better the lives of all good people who live in this country, including of course, Muslims.

I have on many occasions offered you the opportuninty to come and meet some of us and learn that your opinion is out of touch and hopelessly misconceived. I regret that you have consistently rejected that offer as it is meant with sincerity. What more can I do?
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: UKIP is not an islamophobic party. I hope that is clear enough for you. We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers. I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track. A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.[/p][/quote]really what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced ��electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."[/p][/quote]I don't know where you got this from but I would totally reject it. The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over. I know it is difficult for you to grasp, but despite you wanting to believe the worst of UKIP, the facts speak for themselves. The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP - a totally politically motivated fabrication which most people can see through. What the media are less willing to report is that, once identified, any person who reveals racist views are swiftly removed from UKIP because the huge majority of us do not want such people associated with us, never mind that racist views are counter to the UKIP constitution. The sad thing is that by ignoring the truth of the real world, you have become the cloistered Miss Havisham of local politics. Just as the Dickens character irrationally hated all men, you have taken to attacking UKIP regardless, ignoring the fact that we are here to better the lives of all good people who live in this country, including of course, Muslims. I have on many occasions offered you the opportuninty to come and meet some of us and learn that your opinion is out of touch and hopelessly misconceived. I regret that you have consistently rejected that offer as it is meant with sincerity. What more can I do? D_Penn
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7:39pm Sat 3 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote: UKIP is not an islamophobic party. I hope that is clear enough for you. We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers. I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track. A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.
really what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced

����electora
l fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
I don't know where you got this from but I would totally reject it.

The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over.

I know it is difficult for you to grasp, but despite you wanting to believe the worst of UKIP, the facts speak for themselves. The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP - a totally politically motivated fabrication which most people can see through. What the media are less willing to report is that, once identified, any person who reveals racist views are swiftly removed from UKIP because the huge majority of us do not want such people associated with us, never mind that racist views are counter to the UKIP constitution.

The sad thing is that by ignoring the truth of the real world, you have become the cloistered Miss Havisham of local politics. Just as the Dickens character irrationally hated all men, you have taken to attacking UKIP regardless, ignoring the fact that we are here to better the lives of all good people who live in this country, including of course, Muslims.

I have on many occasions offered you the opportuninty to come and meet some of us and learn that your opinion is out of touch and hopelessly misconceived. I regret that you have consistently rejected that offer as it is meant with sincerity. What more can I do?
Thankyou David Penn UKIP Park ward candidate, I did not expect an answer and am pleasently surprised to recieve one.
The question was however asked of Phil Cox the Mayoral candidate!

The realty of UKIP is that it is a racist party (or becoming one), more and more people are realising this. You cannot get away with dismissing these comments as isolated rambelings of someone on the fringe when they occour with such regularity, it just deminishes your personal credabilty and that of the Mayoral candidate who as yet has not answered the Q I put to HIM.
No doubt he is doing candidatestuf and will answer if you inform him f the Q, many thanks in advance for drawing his attention to this Q on my behalf, it is so kind of you
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: UKIP is not an islamophobic party. I hope that is clear enough for you. We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers. I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track. A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.[/p][/quote]really what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced ����electora l fraud as a regular feature of British political life."[/p][/quote]I don't know where you got this from but I would totally reject it. The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over. I know it is difficult for you to grasp, but despite you wanting to believe the worst of UKIP, the facts speak for themselves. The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP - a totally politically motivated fabrication which most people can see through. What the media are less willing to report is that, once identified, any person who reveals racist views are swiftly removed from UKIP because the huge majority of us do not want such people associated with us, never mind that racist views are counter to the UKIP constitution. The sad thing is that by ignoring the truth of the real world, you have become the cloistered Miss Havisham of local politics. Just as the Dickens character irrationally hated all men, you have taken to attacking UKIP regardless, ignoring the fact that we are here to better the lives of all good people who live in this country, including of course, Muslims. I have on many occasions offered you the opportuninty to come and meet some of us and learn that your opinion is out of touch and hopelessly misconceived. I regret that you have consistently rejected that offer as it is meant with sincerity. What more can I do?[/p][/quote]Thankyou David Penn UKIP Park ward candidate, I did not expect an answer and am pleasently surprised to recieve one. The question was however asked of Phil Cox the Mayoral candidate! The realty of UKIP is that it is a racist party (or becoming one), more and more people are realising this. You cannot get away with dismissing these comments as isolated rambelings of someone on the fringe when they occour with such regularity, it just deminishes your personal credabilty and that of the Mayoral candidate who as yet has not answered the Q I put to HIM. No doubt he is doing candidatestuf and will answer if you inform him f the Q, many thanks in advance for drawing his attention to this Q on my behalf, it is so kind of you ancientandageing
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9:15am Sun 4 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
UKIP is not an islamophobic party.

I hope that is clear enough for you.

We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers.

I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track.

A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.
really
what about statements like this

" On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com

munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."


"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced

��electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
I would prefer an answer from the Mayoral candidate; Many thanks
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: UKIP is not an islamophobic party. I hope that is clear enough for you. We are having a public meeting on Wednesday 14th May at 7 for 7:30. Paul nuttal (UKIP deputy leader) and I will be speaking. Raise any questions you like and you will get straight answers. I am not trying to moderate this post, I was trying to get it back on track. A few trolls on here take every opportunity to try to smear UKIP and ignore the story itself. I was trying to get the story back onto how the Mayor treats the people of this town, something we should all be concerned about.[/p][/quote]really what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced ��electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."[/p][/quote]I would prefer an answer from the Mayoral candidate; Many thanks ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

1:41pm Thu 15 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-lose-near
ly-one-in-ten-counci
llors-since-2013-loc
al-elections-9374105
.html

@ Phil Cox

I think you need a (((((hug)))))
all this negative stuff and given the amount of your own partys cllrs that fail to serve a term, maybe they need a Pal, if I give you lessons in love for your fellow human beings then you could be that pal, how about it?
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-lose-near ly-one-in-ten-counci llors-since-2013-loc al-elections-9374105 .html @ Phil Cox I think you need a (((((hug))))) all this negative stuff and given the amount of your own partys cllrs that fail to serve a term, maybe they need a Pal, if I give you lessons in love for your fellow human beings then you could be that pal, how about it? UKIP-pal
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