Latest crash in Nascot Park blackspot is 'wake-up call' to act

Watford Observer: The scene of a crash last week The scene of a crash last week

"Nothing will be done until someone dies" - that was the message from desparate residents who have hit out at the lack of safety measures around an accident blackspot in Nascot Park.

A two-car smash at the crossroad of Hempstead Road and Courtlands Drive has been described as a much-needed "wake up call" for traffic calming devices at the busy junction.

Police and paramedics were called at 9.58am to the road after reports two cars had crashed on Friday, April 25.

A nearby resident has said that there had been a few accidents at the junction recently and he is worried nothing will be done until someone dies.

Gary Nicholls, who lives in Nascot Wood Drive, was alerted to the crash by his wife.

Mr Nicholls said: "I’m a paramedic in London so went down to see if I could do anything when I heard.

"There has been a lot of near misses at the junction and it seems as though nothing will be done until someone dies there.

"There have been six or seven accidents there in recent times and the junction has been flagged up with the council.

"Something needs to be done before it is too late."

Nascot county councillor Mark Watkin said the council needs to act now.

He said : "This is a wake up call.

"Maybe at long last the council will take notice about that junction.

"It has been a cause of massive concern to residents for years.

"This is an opportunity for the county council to do something.

"My constituents have been in touch about the junction.

"I personally am concerned and I will support the residents’ desire to get something done."

The cars involved in the crash on Friday, April 25, were a blue Honda Jazz and a blue Toyota Prius.

The motorists were seen by paramedics after the collision but did not need any further medical treatment.

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1:03pm Fri 2 May 14

Cuetip says...

For years drivers have been playing chicken with this dangerous junction and as the Hempstead Rd traffic crawls nose to tail. Whatever happened to health and safety or has it gone to conkers?

The increasing public disengagement from politics has much to do with the view that the continuing use of platitudes by politicians seeking to take credit when things painfully go wrong with no acceptance of responsibility.

This junction was never designed to handle the traffic flows generated by the intensive housing developments in that area and the hundreds more planned for the Leavesden ‘air strip ‘have yet to appear on the horizon.
For years drivers have been playing chicken with this dangerous junction and as the Hempstead Rd traffic crawls nose to tail. Whatever happened to health and safety or has it gone to conkers? The increasing public disengagement from politics has much to do with the view that the continuing use of platitudes by politicians seeking to take credit when things painfully go wrong with no acceptance of responsibility. This junction was never designed to handle the traffic flows generated by the intensive housing developments in that area and the hundreds more planned for the Leavesden ‘air strip ‘have yet to appear on the horizon. Cuetip
  • Score: 7

1:55pm Fri 2 May 14

TRT says...

I don't think there's much wrong with the junction beyond the fact that you have to wait a while for synchronous gaps in the traffic. Personally, I'd only use it for a right turn in the most extreme circumstances, and would usually plan a better route.
I don't think there's much wrong with the junction beyond the fact that you have to wait a while for synchronous gaps in the traffic. Personally, I'd only use it for a right turn in the most extreme circumstances, and would usually plan a better route. TRT
  • Score: 10

3:14pm Fri 2 May 14

D_Penn says...

This is a known blackspot and County should have put this right ages ago, not wait until the toll of accidents ends up with serious injury or death.

We hear so much about implementing a 20mph speed limit in Watford when minds and money should be focussed on fixing real problems such as this.

I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action.

I am standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken.
This is a known blackspot and County should have put this right ages ago, not wait until the toll of accidents ends up with serious injury or death. We hear so much about implementing a 20mph speed limit in Watford when minds and money should be focussed on fixing real problems such as this. I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action. I am standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken. D_Penn
  • Score: -6

4:31pm Fri 2 May 14

S/O man says...

D_Penn wrote:
This is a known blackspot and County should have put this right ages ago, not wait until the toll of accidents ends up with serious injury or death. We hear so much about implementing a 20mph speed limit in Watford when minds and money should be focussed on fixing real problems such as this. I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action. I am standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken.
great to see the far right have a say in this (Not)
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: This is a known blackspot and County should have put this right ages ago, not wait until the toll of accidents ends up with serious injury or death. We hear so much about implementing a 20mph speed limit in Watford when minds and money should be focussed on fixing real problems such as this. I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action. I am standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken.[/p][/quote]great to see the far right have a say in this (Not) S/O man
  • Score: 2

4:55pm Fri 2 May 14

pr76uk says...

How many serious injuries have there been, where people have needed to go to hospital, or is it a series of low-speed crashes?

D)_Penn: By "making the County responsible", you mean the taxpayer.
How many serious injuries have there been, where people have needed to go to hospital, or is it a series of low-speed crashes? D)_Penn: By "making the County responsible", you mean the taxpayer. pr76uk
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Fri 2 May 14

phil mitchel says...

They have something far more important to do first, The so called 'Busy Roundabout on the Cassiobury Estate'. It's just a case of priorities, oh and vote catching.
They have something far more important to do first, The so called 'Busy Roundabout on the Cassiobury Estate'. It's just a case of priorities, oh and vote catching. phil mitchel
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Fri 2 May 14

Nascot says...

D_Penn says : I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action.

VOTE UKIP. Now they are planning to make taxpayers pay your car insurance for you.

Remind me not to renew my policy when that particular piece of legislation is enacted
D_Penn says : I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action. VOTE UKIP. Now they are planning to make taxpayers pay your car insurance for you. Remind me not to renew my policy when that particular piece of legislation is enacted Nascot
  • Score: 2

8:22pm Fri 2 May 14

D_Penn says...

S/O man wrote:
D_Penn wrote: This is a known blackspot and County should have put this right ages ago, not wait until the toll of accidents ends up with serious injury or death. We hear so much about implementing a 20mph speed limit in Watford when minds and money should be focussed on fixing real problems such as this. I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action. I am standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken.
great to see the far right have a say in this (Not)
I have only been referred to as on the 'far right' once before in my whole lifetime. That was by a communist who was so left wing that he made Stalin seem like a moderate.
[quote][p][bold]S/O man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: This is a known blackspot and County should have put this right ages ago, not wait until the toll of accidents ends up with serious injury or death. We hear so much about implementing a 20mph speed limit in Watford when minds and money should be focussed on fixing real problems such as this. I'd like to see County made responsible for all costs from accidents at this junction forthwith and maybe that would jolt them into action. I am standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken.[/p][/quote]great to see the far right have a say in this (Not)[/p][/quote]I have only been referred to as on the 'far right' once before in my whole lifetime. That was by a communist who was so left wing that he made Stalin seem like a moderate. D_Penn
  • Score: 3

8:55pm Fri 2 May 14

D_Penn says...

In response to the above comments about the taxpayer paying for accidents:

County have a responsibilty for the upkeep and basic safety on the roads. Everyone knows that If their car is damaged because it hits a pothole that County are aware of then County is liable for cost of repairs.

A bad junction that is causing many accidents is every bit as dangerous as leaving a pothole unfilled and where an obvious problem is ignored then why should County get off the hook?

I do not like burdening the taxpayer, but why should ordinary drivers suffer because of incompetence at County Hall?

The solution to avoid taxpayers money being wasted is the same as stopping money being lost because of failure to fix potholes. If County keep losing money to claims because the Highways department cannot get its act together, then heads should roll. That tends to focus the mind.

However, I suspect that the real problem is mismanagement of the highways budeget at the top. In recent years many of us will have seen expensive changes to junctions implemented all over Watford which have done little for safety and a lot for clogging up the roads.

We all can point out examples all over Watford where traffic lights have mushroomed where they are not needed but are absent from really dangerous areas.

Much of this is caused because when a junction is redesigned external consultants are used who come up with hugely expensive schemes following the government's highly bureaucratic guidelines (it also means a big pay day for the consultants, of course).

The whole complex process means that every project costs a fortune and therefore there cannot be many of them before the money runs out. So Watford gets the odd grand scheme here and there whilst in the meantime many areas desperate for work go to the back of the queue.

The massive bureaucratic structure needs dismantling in favour of a more pragmatic approach that actually gets more work done and makes more junctions safer and is better at keeping traffic moving.

It's just Common Sense really.
In response to the above comments about the taxpayer paying for accidents: County have a responsibilty for the upkeep and basic safety on the roads. Everyone knows that If their car is damaged because it hits a pothole that County are aware of then County is liable for cost of repairs. A bad junction that is causing many accidents is every bit as dangerous as leaving a pothole unfilled and where an obvious problem is ignored then why should County get off the hook? I do not like burdening the taxpayer, but why should ordinary drivers suffer because of incompetence at County Hall? The solution to avoid taxpayers money being wasted is the same as stopping money being lost because of failure to fix potholes. If County keep losing money to claims because the Highways department cannot get its act together, then heads should roll. That tends to focus the mind. However, I suspect that the real problem is mismanagement of the highways budeget at the top. In recent years many of us will have seen expensive changes to junctions implemented all over Watford which have done little for safety and a lot for clogging up the roads. We all can point out examples all over Watford where traffic lights have mushroomed where they are not needed but are absent from really dangerous areas. Much of this is caused because when a junction is redesigned external consultants are used who come up with hugely expensive schemes following the government's highly bureaucratic guidelines (it also means a big pay day for the consultants, of course). The whole complex process means that every project costs a fortune and therefore there cannot be many of them before the money runs out. So Watford gets the odd grand scheme here and there whilst in the meantime many areas desperate for work go to the back of the queue. The massive bureaucratic structure needs dismantling in favour of a more pragmatic approach that actually gets more work done and makes more junctions safer and is better at keeping traffic moving. It's just Common Sense really. D_Penn
  • Score: -2

10:00pm Fri 2 May 14

G_Whiz says...

D_Penn wrote:
In response to the above comments about the taxpayer paying for accidents:

County have a responsibilty for the upkeep and basic safety on the roads. Everyone knows that If their car is damaged because it hits a pothole that County are aware of then County is liable for cost of repairs.

A bad junction that is causing many accidents is every bit as dangerous as leaving a pothole unfilled and where an obvious problem is ignored then why should County get off the hook?

I do not like burdening the taxpayer, but why should ordinary drivers suffer because of incompetence at County Hall?

The solution to avoid taxpayers money being wasted is the same as stopping money being lost because of failure to fix potholes. If County keep losing money to claims because the Highways department cannot get its act together, then heads should roll. That tends to focus the mind.

However, I suspect that the real problem is mismanagement of the highways budeget at the top. In recent years many of us will have seen expensive changes to junctions implemented all over Watford which have done little for safety and a lot for clogging up the roads.

We all can point out examples all over Watford where traffic lights have mushroomed where they are not needed but are absent from really dangerous areas.

Much of this is caused because when a junction is redesigned external consultants are used who come up with hugely expensive schemes following the government's highly bureaucratic guidelines (it also means a big pay day for the consultants, of course).

The whole complex process means that every project costs a fortune and therefore there cannot be many of them before the money runs out. So Watford gets the odd grand scheme here and there whilst in the meantime many areas desperate for work go to the back of the queue.

The massive bureaucratic structure needs dismantling in favour of a more pragmatic approach that actually gets more work done and makes more junctions safer and is better at keeping traffic moving.

It's just Common Sense really.
No such thing as common sense when the Liberals are in charge!
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: In response to the above comments about the taxpayer paying for accidents: County have a responsibilty for the upkeep and basic safety on the roads. Everyone knows that If their car is damaged because it hits a pothole that County are aware of then County is liable for cost of repairs. A bad junction that is causing many accidents is every bit as dangerous as leaving a pothole unfilled and where an obvious problem is ignored then why should County get off the hook? I do not like burdening the taxpayer, but why should ordinary drivers suffer because of incompetence at County Hall? The solution to avoid taxpayers money being wasted is the same as stopping money being lost because of failure to fix potholes. If County keep losing money to claims because the Highways department cannot get its act together, then heads should roll. That tends to focus the mind. However, I suspect that the real problem is mismanagement of the highways budeget at the top. In recent years many of us will have seen expensive changes to junctions implemented all over Watford which have done little for safety and a lot for clogging up the roads. We all can point out examples all over Watford where traffic lights have mushroomed where they are not needed but are absent from really dangerous areas. Much of this is caused because when a junction is redesigned external consultants are used who come up with hugely expensive schemes following the government's highly bureaucratic guidelines (it also means a big pay day for the consultants, of course). The whole complex process means that every project costs a fortune and therefore there cannot be many of them before the money runs out. So Watford gets the odd grand scheme here and there whilst in the meantime many areas desperate for work go to the back of the queue. The massive bureaucratic structure needs dismantling in favour of a more pragmatic approach that actually gets more work done and makes more junctions safer and is better at keeping traffic moving. It's just Common Sense really.[/p][/quote]No such thing as common sense when the Liberals are in charge! G_Whiz
  • Score: 2

10:15pm Fri 2 May 14

Cuetip says...

Far too many prime streets eg the St Albans Rd, Queens Rd, have suffered from the explosive mushrooming of ghastly street clutter which are neglected and often out of date leaving these streets looking vandalised. Check out the pavements in Queens Rd.
Far too many prime streets eg the St Albans Rd, Queens Rd, have suffered from the explosive mushrooming of ghastly street clutter which are neglected and often out of date leaving these streets looking vandalised. Check out the pavements in Queens Rd. Cuetip
  • Score: 6

8:50am Sat 3 May 14

trebleywebley says...

It would be wise to seek permission from the local councillors before sneaking around their streets
It would be wise to seek permission from the local councillors before sneaking around their streets trebleywebley
  • Score: 0

7:24pm Sat 3 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Dip Pen says he is 'standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken'.
Doesn't he realise that this election is for Watford Council, not Herts county? The county make the decisions on roads in discussion with the elected county councillors, borough councillors have little influence.
Dip Pen says he is 'standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken'. Doesn't he realise that this election is for Watford Council, not Herts county? The county make the decisions on roads in discussion with the elected county councillors, borough councillors have little influence. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 4

9:15pm Sat 3 May 14

D_Penn says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Dip Pen says he is 'standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken'.
Doesn't he realise that this election is for Watford Council, not Herts county? The county make the decisions on roads in discussion with the elected county councillors, borough councillors have little influence.
I am very aware of that fact, as you will infer if you read my post.

What I am certain of is that a local councillor can put pressure on County to get services for Watford more effectively than a member of the public.

Furthermore, as I have said before, many aspects of highways management would be better served if they were returned to where they used to be - at local level. People who live in an area are best placed to identify problems and decide where funds could be most effectively placed.

UKIP's aim is to get people elected at all levels of government so that we can affect the changes needed to make services such as highways much more effective than they are at present.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Dip Pen says he is 'standing as the UKIP candidate for Nascot in the Council elections so that I can get into a position to push and influence decision making on issues such as this until action is taken'. Doesn't he realise that this election is for Watford Council, not Herts county? The county make the decisions on roads in discussion with the elected county councillors, borough councillors have little influence.[/p][/quote]I am very aware of that fact, as you will infer if you read my post. What I am certain of is that a local councillor can put pressure on County to get services for Watford more effectively than a member of the public. Furthermore, as I have said before, many aspects of highways management would be better served if they were returned to where they used to be - at local level. People who live in an area are best placed to identify problems and decide where funds could be most effectively placed. UKIP's aim is to get people elected at all levels of government so that we can affect the changes needed to make services such as highways much more effective than they are at present. D_Penn
  • Score: -3

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