Phil Cox: manifesto promises to cap council officials’ pay, roll back parking restrictions and introduce office of Common Sense

Phil Cox: manifesto promises to cap council officials’ pay, roll back parking restrictions and introduce office of Common Sense

Phil Cox: manifesto promises to cap council officials’ pay, roll back parking restrictions and introduce office of Common Sense

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UK Independence Party is promising to cap council officials’ pay, roll back parking restrictions and introduce an office of Common Sense if they capture Watford’s mayoralty.

The party has also pledged to crackdown on councillors posting on websites anonymously and to let voters decided on council services with referenda in their manifesto, which was released today.

Other key promises include ditching proposals to make Watford a 20mph town and suspending plans to build 700 homes behind Vicarage Road until after Watford General Hospital has been regenerated.

Read the full manifesto here:

UKIP Watford Manifesto 2014.pdf

The party is contesting the mayoral elections, on May 22, for the first time this year and has chosen IT businessman Phil Cox as its candidate.

If elected Mr Cox said he would create an Office of Common Sense at Watford Council, which would be manned by existing borough staffed.

The manifesto said: "It will be expected to take a common sense view of complaints or suggestions and offer common sense solutions".

The party has also pledged to halt work on the current health campus scheme, saying its current guise is "a glorified housing estate."

They said a UKIP administration would then hold a public review of the project and wait for the promised upgrade of Watford General Hospital before building homes on the site.

It has also pledged to make all bins collected weekly, introduce a 'manned taxi rank sanctuary' at night in town centre and review purple flag award scheme, which the council pays to be apart of.

The party has said it will review parking all restrictions in Watford with a view to reducing or removing them and it will look at introducing free parking periods in shopping areas in the town.

One of the main planks of UKIP’s manifesto in Watford is to make the council more democratic and transparent.

It said it will hold referenda on issues for which more than five per cent of the town’s voters say they want one.

The party has also said it planned "to stamp out the practice of councillors trying to push their own agenda by masquerading under false names as supportive or hostile members of the public in local papers or on websites."

Other initiatives mooted by UKIP were to publish details of all salaries of council staff earning more than £69,000, to review of senior pay packets and cap future wages at the council.

It has promised a review of union representation at the council and the cost it poses to taxpayers.

The party has also said if elected it wants all council staff trained or involved with leadership development organisation, Common Purpose, to officially register their involvement.

Common Purpose describes itself as an organisation that "gives people from the private, public and not-for-profit sectors the inspiration, skills and connections to become better leaders at work and in society."

The organisation has been attacked by critics as "an elitist pro-EU political organisation helping to replace democracy in UK".

In its manifesto Watford UKIP said: "Common Purpose must not be allowed to set any agendas or run any parallel operation within the council."

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5:16pm Fri 9 May 14

phil mitchel says...

I'm a bit worried regarding the term Council officials, does that mean everyone who works for the council or just those above a certain level ?
I'm a bit worried regarding the term Council officials, does that mean everyone who works for the council or just those above a certain level ? phil mitchel
  • Score: 4

5:27pm Fri 9 May 14

S/O man says...

Will Watford also be twinned with the French towns that also have right wing parties on the council? hope not.
Will Watford also be twinned with the French towns that also have right wing parties on the council? hope not. S/O man
  • Score: -7

5:54pm Fri 9 May 14

Daddy Watford says...

Wow UKIP you've clearly done your homework. Your going to get rid of the Ceremonial Mayor. Assuming you mean the Civic Mayor your may be interested to know this post hasn't existed for about 12 years!

Watford Borough Council has an Elected Mayor and a Chairman.
Wow UKIP you've clearly done your homework. Your going to get rid of the Ceremonial Mayor. Assuming you mean the Civic Mayor your may be interested to know this post hasn't existed for about 12 years! Watford Borough Council has an Elected Mayor and a Chairman. Daddy Watford
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Fri 9 May 14

WatfordAlex says...

Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents).

To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing).

It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough.
Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents). To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing). It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough. WatfordAlex
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Fri 9 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks!
Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks! ancientandageing
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Fri 9 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Anti Union rubbish sounds a waste of time and if acted on in any way possably illegal!!

Vote UKIP and get incoherant nonsense.

As for the fantasy that everyone who posts something phil Cox doesn't like is a Cllr well come on!

what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

or this "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

Vote UKIP get an islamaphobic and racist party
Anti Union rubbish sounds a waste of time and if acted on in any way possably illegal!! Vote UKIP and get incoherant nonsense. As for the fantasy that everyone who posts something phil Cox doesn't like is a Cllr well come on! what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." or this "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." Vote UKIP get an islamaphobic and racist party ancientandageing
  • Score: -8

7:39pm Fri 9 May 14

TRT says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks!
I'd prefer an office of uncommon sense!
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks![/p][/quote]I'd prefer an office of uncommon sense! TRT
  • Score: 5

8:05pm Fri 9 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

phil mitchel wrote:
I'm a bit worried regarding the term Council officials, does that mean everyone who works for the council or just those above a certain level ?
It is just those at the very top.
[quote][p][bold]phil mitchel[/bold] wrote: I'm a bit worried regarding the term Council officials, does that mean everyone who works for the council or just those above a certain level ?[/p][/quote]It is just those at the very top. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 14

8:16pm Fri 9 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Daddy Watford wrote:
Wow UKIP you've clearly done your homework. Your going to get rid of the Ceremonial Mayor. Assuming you mean the Civic Mayor your may be interested to know this post hasn't existed for about 12 years!

Watford Borough Council has an Elected Mayor and a Chairman.
I believe the official title is Chairman of Watford Borough Council. It's the old Civic Mayor role.
[quote][p][bold]Daddy Watford[/bold] wrote: Wow UKIP you've clearly done your homework. Your going to get rid of the Ceremonial Mayor. Assuming you mean the Civic Mayor your may be interested to know this post hasn't existed for about 12 years! Watford Borough Council has an Elected Mayor and a Chairman.[/p][/quote]I believe the official title is Chairman of Watford Borough Council. It's the old Civic Mayor role. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 9

8:18pm Fri 9 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents).

To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing).

It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough.
More LibDem nonsense.

Read the manifesto for yourselves, do not expect a LibDem to give a fair appraisal of anything UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents). To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing). It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough.[/p][/quote]More LibDem nonsense. Read the manifesto for yourselves, do not expect a LibDem to give a fair appraisal of anything UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

8:18pm Fri 9 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks!
Is that where you work?
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks![/p][/quote]Is that where you work? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 10

8:26pm Fri 9 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Anti Union rubbish sounds a waste of time and if acted on in any way possably illegal!!

Vote UKIP and get incoherant nonsense.

As for the fantasy that everyone who posts something phil Cox doesn't like is a Cllr well come on!

what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

or this "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

Vote UKIP get an islamaphobic and racist party
Nothing anti-union.

I just want to know if the union is paid for by its members or whether the council pays for it through our taxes. In some places union reps are paid for by taxes. I want to know what happens in Watford Council.

Any costs to council will be made public.

I can't see any objections to publishing information. We are the party of openness and transparency in Watford.

There's nothing illegal in publishing how council taxes are spent, is there?

As for your trying to stir up racial and religious tensions, I have told you before how irresponsible you are being.

No other party thinks UKIP are racist or islamophobic. I don't and if anyone in UKIP shows they think that way they are dealt with and booted out.

That makes you out of step with the general public and your own party. Sad.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Anti Union rubbish sounds a waste of time and if acted on in any way possably illegal!! Vote UKIP and get incoherant nonsense. As for the fantasy that everyone who posts something phil Cox doesn't like is a Cllr well come on! what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." or this "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." Vote UKIP get an islamaphobic and racist party[/p][/quote]Nothing anti-union. I just want to know if the union is paid for by its members or whether the council pays for it through our taxes. In some places union reps are paid for by taxes. I want to know what happens in Watford Council. Any costs to council will be made public. I can't see any objections to publishing information. We are the party of openness and transparency in Watford. There's nothing illegal in publishing how council taxes are spent, is there? As for your trying to stir up racial and religious tensions, I have told you before how irresponsible you are being. No other party thinks UKIP are racist or islamophobic. I don't and if anyone in UKIP shows they think that way they are dealt with and booted out. That makes you out of step with the general public and your own party. Sad. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 12

8:27pm Fri 9 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

TRT wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks!
I'd prefer an office of uncommon sense!
I don't think you will be disappointed.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Office of common sense; yer right next door to the ministry of silly walks![/p][/quote]I'd prefer an office of uncommon sense![/p][/quote]I don't think you will be disappointed. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

8:31pm Fri 9 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Anti Union rubbish sounds a waste of time and if acted on in any way possably illegal!!

Vote UKIP and get incoherant nonsense.

As for the fantasy that everyone who posts something phil Cox doesn't like is a Cllr well come on!

what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

or this "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

Vote UKIP get an islamaphobic and racist party
Nothing anti-union.

I just want to know if the union is paid for by its members or whether the council pays for it through our taxes. In some places union reps are paid for by taxes. I want to know what happens in Watford Council.

Any costs to council will be made public.

I can't see any objections to publishing information. We are the party of openness and transparency in Watford.

There's nothing illegal in publishing how council taxes are spent, is there?

As for your trying to stir up racial and religious tensions, I have told you before how irresponsible you are being.

No other party thinks UKIP are racist or islamophobic. I don't and if anyone in UKIP shows they think that way they are dealt with and booted out.

That makes you out of step with the general public and your own party. Sad.
you singuarly fail to answer re the qoutes, do you stand by them all this hyperbole about me being the only one is nonsense, 1/3 agree with me 1/3 are undicided and 1/3 disagree, but I digress do you agree with the statements made by a UKIP candidate as qouted??
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Anti Union rubbish sounds a waste of time and if acted on in any way possably illegal!! Vote UKIP and get incoherant nonsense. As for the fantasy that everyone who posts something phil Cox doesn't like is a Cllr well come on! what about statements like this " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." or this "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." Vote UKIP get an islamaphobic and racist party[/p][/quote]Nothing anti-union. I just want to know if the union is paid for by its members or whether the council pays for it through our taxes. In some places union reps are paid for by taxes. I want to know what happens in Watford Council. Any costs to council will be made public. I can't see any objections to publishing information. We are the party of openness and transparency in Watford. There's nothing illegal in publishing how council taxes are spent, is there? As for your trying to stir up racial and religious tensions, I have told you before how irresponsible you are being. No other party thinks UKIP are racist or islamophobic. I don't and if anyone in UKIP shows they think that way they are dealt with and booted out. That makes you out of step with the general public and your own party. Sad.[/p][/quote]you singuarly fail to answer re the qoutes, do you stand by them all this hyperbole about me being the only one is nonsense, 1/3 agree with me 1/3 are undicided and 1/3 disagree, but I digress do you agree with the statements made by a UKIP candidate as qouted?? ancientandageing
  • Score: -9

10:06pm Fri 9 May 14

ancientandageing says...

"Staff who have been involved with or trained by the organization named “Common
Purpose” will be asked to register their involvement. Common Purpose is an
organization that has raised suspicions of having an agenda of its own to promote
certain policies in government. The policies of council must come from the government
and councillors on behalf of the people of Watford. Common Purpose must not be
allowed to set any agendas or run any parallel operation within council.
f. Councillors are to be encouraged to sign an undertaking to only comment on news
stories under the name Cllr (name). We want to stamp out the practice of councillors
trying to push their own agendas by masquerading under false names as supportive or
hostile members of the public in local newspapers or on websites. "

Whatever next a purge on giant :Lizzards and an SAS attack on the Queens road Tardis, weaping angle Hornet statue to be frozen in Liquid nitrogean and satanic pond to be exorcised by the Pope
"Staff who have been involved with or trained by the organization named “Common Purpose” will be asked to register their involvement. Common Purpose is an organization that has raised suspicions of having an agenda of its own to promote certain policies in government. The policies of council must come from the government and councillors on behalf of the people of Watford. Common Purpose must not be allowed to set any agendas or run any parallel operation within council. f. Councillors are to be encouraged to sign an undertaking to only comment on news stories under the name Cllr (name). We want to stamp out the practice of councillors trying to push their own agendas by masquerading under false names as supportive or hostile members of the public in local newspapers or on websites. " Whatever next a purge on giant :Lizzards and an SAS attack on the Queens road Tardis, weaping angle Hornet statue to be frozen in Liquid nitrogean and satanic pond to be exorcised by the Pope ancientandageing
  • Score: -10

11:00pm Fri 9 May 14

ancientandageing says...

"I just want to know if the union is paid for by its members or whether the council pays for it through our taxes. In some places union reps are paid for by taxes. I want to know what happens in Watford Council."

this is anti union rhotoric and I suspect you know it, within an organization be it public or private, that has unions there are Union reps which generally have some time to allocated for union activities, they then spend two or three times this on doing them. Also there are functions such as Health and Safty reps that are union positions, whilst there is a cost of these they help the company fullfill its legal obligations.

Now lump this into a cost and publish it and you are misrepresenting the situation with a half truth for your own purpose of getting a anti Union message out.

Also there is legislation on union reps, whilst I am not properly conversant with them, I would suggest you look at them. before you comment further
"I just want to know if the union is paid for by its members or whether the council pays for it through our taxes. In some places union reps are paid for by taxes. I want to know what happens in Watford Council." this is anti union rhotoric and I suspect you know it, within an organization be it public or private, that has unions there are Union reps which generally have some time to allocated for union activities, they then spend two or three times this on doing them. Also there are functions such as Health and Safty reps that are union positions, whilst there is a cost of these they help the company fullfill its legal obligations. Now lump this into a cost and publish it and you are misrepresenting the situation with a half truth for your own purpose of getting a anti Union message out. Also there is legislation on union reps, whilst I am not properly conversant with them, I would suggest you look at them. before you comment further ancientandageing
  • Score: -10

6:06am Sat 10 May 14

trebleywebley says...

Lesson number one. Council workers are Council tax payers , Union members
and voters.
Lesson number one. Council workers are Council tax payers , Union members and voters. trebleywebley
  • Score: -8

6:09am Sat 10 May 14

trebleywebley says...

Isn't it ironic how you have used The Watford Observer as your election platform.It is now your plans to outlaw the practice amongst your rivals
Isn't it ironic how you have used The Watford Observer as your election platform.It is now your plans to outlaw the practice amongst your rivals trebleywebley
  • Score: -3

9:35am Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

trebleywebley wrote:
Isn't it ironic how you have used The Watford Observer as your election platform.It is now your plans to outlaw the practice amongst your rivals
this may be of interest
http://www.ukipdaily
.com/use-local-press
-media-campaigns-ele
ctoral-success/#.U23
j3fldX1Y

apparantly UKIP brances are advised thus :-
" In my branch we have a system of key branch figures, including local Councillors, reviewing the local press (published on a Friday) each weekend and deciding in which areas to attack. Then the letters are written and we try to spread it around members so that the same name does not keep on appearing. Either they are given the topic and left to do it themselves, or a good copywriter does a draft, forwards it, the signatory may modify it to suit their style and then sends it off to the paper"

Irony seems an inadaquate word somehow
[quote][p][bold]trebleywebley[/bold] wrote: Isn't it ironic how you have used The Watford Observer as your election platform.It is now your plans to outlaw the practice amongst your rivals[/p][/quote]this may be of interest http://www.ukipdaily .com/use-local-press -media-campaigns-ele ctoral-success/#.U23 j3fldX1Y apparantly UKIP brances are advised thus :- " In my branch we have a system of key branch figures, including local Councillors, reviewing the local press (published on a Friday) each weekend and deciding in which areas to attack. Then the letters are written and we try to spread it around members so that the same name does not keep on appearing. Either they are given the topic and left to do it themselves, or a good copywriter does a draft, forwards it, the signatory may modify it to suit their style and then sends it off to the paper" Irony seems an inadaquate word somehow ancientandageing
  • Score: -5

9:50am Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

trebleywebley wrote:
Isn't it ironic how you have used The Watford Observer as your election platform.It is now your plans to outlaw the practice amongst your rivals
How so?

I am merely encouraging elected officials to be honest by posting under their own names.

There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names.

Why should that be a problem? What's wrong with a little honesty in local government?
[quote][p][bold]trebleywebley[/bold] wrote: Isn't it ironic how you have used The Watford Observer as your election platform.It is now your plans to outlaw the practice amongst your rivals[/p][/quote]How so? I am merely encouraging elected officials to be honest by posting under their own names. There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names. Why should that be a problem? What's wrong with a little honesty in local government? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 16

9:51am Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all.

Live and let live.
For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all. Live and let live. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 13

10:08am Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all.

Live and let live.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/National_So
cialist_Program
I would draw your attention to point 24

statements of religous tolerance clearly need to be set in context and the context today is UKIP candidates saying things that don't sit comfortably with your re assurance.

So would you kindly answer do you agree with these words of a UKIP candidate :-

On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com
munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all. Live and let live.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_So cialist_Program I would draw your attention to point 24 statements of religous tolerance clearly need to be set in context and the context today is UKIP candidates saying things that don't sit comfortably with your re assurance. So would you kindly answer do you agree with these words of a UKIP candidate :- On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." ancientandageing
  • Score: -7

11:07am Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Where is the Conservative Linda Topping?

If you look at their website you wouldn't even know there was a Mayoral election going on. There's nothing about it at all, not even their candidate.

Their news page has nothing about it.

That seems a bit odd.
Where is the Conservative Linda Topping? If you look at their website you wouldn't even know there was a Mayoral election going on. There's nothing about it at all, not even their candidate. Their news page has nothing about it. That seems a bit odd. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 10

11:24am Sat 10 May 14

phil mitchel says...

Don't listen to TrebblyWebbley, the word on the street is it's Ian Sharp Dorothy Thornhills husband.
Don't listen to TrebblyWebbley, the word on the street is it's Ian Sharp Dorothy Thornhills husband. phil mitchel
  • Score: 10

11:31am Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Thanks Phil

So many identities on here seem to be attributed to him.

I wonder what drives people to act in that way? I dislike dishonesty.
Thanks Phil So many identities on here seem to be attributed to him. I wonder what drives people to act in that way? I dislike dishonesty. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 10

11:42am Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

The review above is pretty fair. The only things I would clarify are these: -

1
We want to identify how much the union costs the council. It is one of a raft of costs that we intend to include. We have no wish to change anything, but one of our policies is to be open and honest and publish the costs of things. This is one of those things.

2.
20's Plenty. We want to withdraw Council support of this scheme whilst a scientific analysis is conducted of costs and benefits. It is clear that some councillors who voted for it really did not understand the presentation. If the council is to support or oppose it, it should be on a balanced presentation and not just the one from the pressure group involved. We believe there are some areas of Watford that could benefit from a 20mph limit and would not be against such a plan if it did not have wider implications and was supported by the majority of residents in the area. What you might call a common sense approach rather than a jump on the bandwagon approach.
The review above is pretty fair. The only things I would clarify are these: - 1 We want to identify how much the union costs the council. It is one of a raft of costs that we intend to include. We have no wish to change anything, but one of our policies is to be open and honest and publish the costs of things. This is one of those things. 2. 20's Plenty. We want to withdraw Council support of this scheme whilst a scientific analysis is conducted of costs and benefits. It is clear that some councillors who voted for it really did not understand the presentation. If the council is to support or oppose it, it should be on a balanced presentation and not just the one from the pressure group involved. We believe there are some areas of Watford that could benefit from a 20mph limit and would not be against such a plan if it did not have wider implications and was supported by the majority of residents in the area. What you might call a common sense approach rather than a jump on the bandwagon approach. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 13

11:48am Sat 10 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Isn't a UKIP ministry of common sense an oxymoron?
Isn't a UKIP ministry of common sense an oxymoron? Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -9

12:00pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity.
Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 12

12:11pm Sat 10 May 14

audentior01923 says...

The more I hear from you Phil the more I feel nauseous. Heaven help us all if a UKIP clown from a fringe nutters party takes control of Watford Borough Council.

Yep more (delete as appropriate) Labour/Green/LibDem/
Conservative/Loony Monster Party nonsense ..........

Cant wait to see you properly outed in the next few weeks. Your manifesto is the nonsense.

"We will try this"
"We will try that"
"We will see if"
"If it is appropriate"

blah blah blah

etc etc

A GCSE student could have done better, I hope it didn't take too long to write.....

The only thing you make a clear promise on is to deal with crime but your not the police so how will you do this. Go around in Batman and Robin costumes............
.
The more I hear from you Phil the more I feel nauseous. Heaven help us all if a UKIP clown from a fringe nutters party takes control of Watford Borough Council. Yep more (delete as appropriate) Labour/Green/LibDem/ Conservative/Loony Monster Party nonsense .......... Cant wait to see you properly outed in the next few weeks. Your manifesto is the nonsense. "We will try this" "We will try that" "We will see if" "If it is appropriate" blah blah blah etc etc A GCSE student could have done better, I hope it didn't take too long to write..... The only thing you make a clear promise on is to deal with crime but your not the police so how will you do this. Go around in Batman and Robin costumes............ . audentior01923
  • Score: 2

12:12pm Sat 10 May 14

audentior01923 says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity.
And suffers from paranoia !
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity.[/p][/quote]And suffers from paranoia ! audentior01923
  • Score: -2

12:34pm Sat 10 May 14

trebleywebley says...

Don't listen to Phil Mitchel either
Don't listen to Phil Mitchel either trebleywebley
  • Score: -5

12:39pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

audentior01923 wrote:
The more I hear from you Phil the more I feel nauseous. Heaven help us all if a UKIP clown from a fringe nutters party takes control of Watford Borough Council.

Yep more (delete as appropriate) Labour/Green/LibDem/

Conservative/Loony Monster Party nonsense ..........

Cant wait to see you properly outed in the next few weeks. Your manifesto is the nonsense.

"We will try this"
"We will try that"
"We will see if"
"If it is appropriate"

blah blah blah

etc etc

A GCSE student could have done better, I hope it didn't take too long to write.....

The only thing you make a clear promise on is to deal with crime but your not the police so how will you do this. Go around in Batman and Robin costumes............

.
Haven't you and Nick Clegg noticed?

No-one believes your smears anymore. They recognise them for the tribal rubbish that emanates from the other parties.

Vote UKIP, this town needs a healthy intelligent alternative to what else is on offer.

We have some great policies and we are not averse to supporting sensible policies proposed by the other parties. Whatever is good for Watford, no matter where it comes from, that is what we will support.

I do hate political party tribalism, lies and smears. That's why I am standing for UKIP, and standing up for Watford!
[quote][p][bold]audentior01923[/bold] wrote: The more I hear from you Phil the more I feel nauseous. Heaven help us all if a UKIP clown from a fringe nutters party takes control of Watford Borough Council. Yep more (delete as appropriate) Labour/Green/LibDem/ Conservative/Loony Monster Party nonsense .......... Cant wait to see you properly outed in the next few weeks. Your manifesto is the nonsense. "We will try this" "We will try that" "We will see if" "If it is appropriate" blah blah blah etc etc A GCSE student could have done better, I hope it didn't take too long to write..... The only thing you make a clear promise on is to deal with crime but your not the police so how will you do this. Go around in Batman and Robin costumes............ .[/p][/quote]Haven't you and Nick Clegg noticed? No-one believes your smears anymore. They recognise them for the tribal rubbish that emanates from the other parties. Vote UKIP, this town needs a healthy intelligent alternative to what else is on offer. We have some great policies and we are not averse to supporting sensible policies proposed by the other parties. Whatever is good for Watford, no matter where it comes from, that is what we will support. I do hate political party tribalism, lies and smears. That's why I am standing for UKIP, and standing up for Watford! Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 12

1:14pm Sat 10 May 14

audentior01923 says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
audentior01923 wrote:
The more I hear from you Phil the more I feel nauseous. Heaven help us all if a UKIP clown from a fringe nutters party takes control of Watford Borough Council.

Yep more (delete as appropriate) Labour/Green/LibDem/


Conservative/Loony Monster Party nonsense ..........

Cant wait to see you properly outed in the next few weeks. Your manifesto is the nonsense.

"We will try this"
"We will try that"
"We will see if"
"If it is appropriate"

blah blah blah

etc etc

A GCSE student could have done better, I hope it didn't take too long to write.....

The only thing you make a clear promise on is to deal with crime but your not the police so how will you do this. Go around in Batman and Robin costumes............


.
Haven't you and Nick Clegg noticed?

No-one believes your smears anymore. They recognise them for the tribal rubbish that emanates from the other parties.

Vote UKIP, this town needs a healthy intelligent alternative to what else is on offer.

We have some great policies and we are not averse to supporting sensible policies proposed by the other parties. Whatever is good for Watford, no matter where it comes from, that is what we will support.

I do hate political party tribalism, lies and smears. That's why I am standing for UKIP, and standing up for Watford!
"Your Smears"

Please elaborate !
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]audentior01923[/bold] wrote: The more I hear from you Phil the more I feel nauseous. Heaven help us all if a UKIP clown from a fringe nutters party takes control of Watford Borough Council. Yep more (delete as appropriate) Labour/Green/LibDem/ Conservative/Loony Monster Party nonsense .......... Cant wait to see you properly outed in the next few weeks. Your manifesto is the nonsense. "We will try this" "We will try that" "We will see if" "If it is appropriate" blah blah blah etc etc A GCSE student could have done better, I hope it didn't take too long to write..... The only thing you make a clear promise on is to deal with crime but your not the police so how will you do this. Go around in Batman and Robin costumes............ .[/p][/quote]Haven't you and Nick Clegg noticed? No-one believes your smears anymore. They recognise them for the tribal rubbish that emanates from the other parties. Vote UKIP, this town needs a healthy intelligent alternative to what else is on offer. We have some great policies and we are not averse to supporting sensible policies proposed by the other parties. Whatever is good for Watford, no matter where it comes from, that is what we will support. I do hate political party tribalism, lies and smears. That's why I am standing for UKIP, and standing up for Watford![/p][/quote]"Your Smears" Please elaborate ! audentior01923
  • Score: -6

1:21pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all.

Live and let live.
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/National_So

cialist_Program
I would draw your attention to point 24

statements of religous tolerance clearly need to be set in context and the context today is UKIP candidates saying things that don't sit comfortably with your re assurance.

So would you kindly answer do you agree with these words of a UKIP candidate :-

On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com

munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
@PHIL COX YOU WILL NOT DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THESE ANTI MUSLIM STATEMENTS

even your nieghbour and fellow UKIP candidate Davids Penn has described the auther of the comments as those of an "unsavoury individual"

under the circumstances I assume that he agrees with the "unsavoury individual" and his statements
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all. Live and let live.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_So cialist_Program I would draw your attention to point 24 statements of religous tolerance clearly need to be set in context and the context today is UKIP candidates saying things that don't sit comfortably with your re assurance. So would you kindly answer do you agree with these words of a UKIP candidate :- On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."[/p][/quote]@PHIL COX YOU WILL NOT DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THESE ANTI MUSLIM STATEMENTS even your nieghbour and fellow UKIP candidate Davids Penn has described the auther of the comments as those of an "unsavoury individual" under the circumstances I assume that he agrees with the "unsavoury individual" and his statements ancientandageing
  • Score: -5

1:55pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I try not to respond to troll comments.

I find ALL people trying to stir up racist and religious hatred abhorrent.

That includes ancient and ageing trolls and others.

Live and let live. What part of that does the troll find hard to understand?

I find that people who try to stir up this type of religious and racial hatred, no matter what party they are from, shameful. As human beings they bring shame on the rest of us.

All parties have their problem members. We kick ours out pretty quickly. I am grateful for that.

My party, UKIP, is anti-EU. We do not want to be ruled from Brussels, we believe the government of our country should be independent.

Now, please get away from stirring up racial and religious intolerance where there is none and please concentrate on the local elections.

UKIP has a good chance of winning in 2014. I urge everyone who finds comments from trolls like Ramage and AAA to show their disgust by voting UKIP.

I understand why they post anonymously. No-one in their right mind would post their comments and allow themselves to be identified. They are too ashamed to put their own name to their comments. And so they should be! A better alternative would be for them to act more responsibly and grown-up.
I try not to respond to troll comments. I find ALL people trying to stir up racist and religious hatred abhorrent. That includes ancient and ageing trolls and others. Live and let live. What part of that does the troll find hard to understand? I find that people who try to stir up this type of religious and racial hatred, no matter what party they are from, shameful. As human beings they bring shame on the rest of us. All parties have their problem members. We kick ours out pretty quickly. I am grateful for that. My party, UKIP, is anti-EU. We do not want to be ruled from Brussels, we believe the government of our country should be independent. Now, please get away from stirring up racial and religious intolerance where there is none and please concentrate on the local elections. UKIP has a good chance of winning in 2014. I urge everyone who finds comments from trolls like Ramage and AAA to show their disgust by voting UKIP. I understand why they post anonymously. No-one in their right mind would post their comments and allow themselves to be identified. They are too ashamed to put their own name to their comments. And so they should be! A better alternative would be for them to act more responsibly and grown-up. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 11

2:03pm Sat 10 May 14

MaryWatford says...

This UKIP chap seems a bit of a dictator in the making - his way or the highway..doesn't seem to like people having a view. mmmmm after reading all these comments and replies now not too sure about him.
This UKIP chap seems a bit of a dictator in the making - his way or the highway..doesn't seem to like people having a view. mmmmm after reading all these comments and replies now not too sure about him. MaryWatford
  • Score: -6

2:05pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I try not to respond to troll comments.

I find ALL people trying to stir up racist and religious hatred abhorrent.

That includes ancient and ageing trolls and others.

Live and let live. What part of that does the troll find hard to understand?

I find that people who try to stir up this type of religious and racial hatred, no matter what party they are from, shameful. As human beings they bring shame on the rest of us.

All parties have their problem members. We kick ours out pretty quickly. I am grateful for that.

My party, UKIP, is anti-EU. We do not want to be ruled from Brussels, we believe the government of our country should be independent.

Now, please get away from stirring up racial and religious intolerance where there is none and please concentrate on the local elections.

UKIP has a good chance of winning in 2014. I urge everyone who finds comments from trolls like Ramage and AAA to show their disgust by voting UKIP.

I understand why they post anonymously. No-one in their right mind would post their comments and allow themselves to be identified. They are too ashamed to put their own name to their comments. And so they should be! A better alternative would be for them to act more responsibly and grown-up.
THE QOUTE IS FROM Patrick O’Flynn UKIP EASTERN REGION NO1 CANDIDATE AND THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT HE HAS RETRACTED OR ALTERED HIS VIEWS

THAT IS A VOTE FOR UKIP IS A VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID THESE THINGS.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I try not to respond to troll comments. I find ALL people trying to stir up racist and religious hatred abhorrent. That includes ancient and ageing trolls and others. Live and let live. What part of that does the troll find hard to understand? I find that people who try to stir up this type of religious and racial hatred, no matter what party they are from, shameful. As human beings they bring shame on the rest of us. All parties have their problem members. We kick ours out pretty quickly. I am grateful for that. My party, UKIP, is anti-EU. We do not want to be ruled from Brussels, we believe the government of our country should be independent. Now, please get away from stirring up racial and religious intolerance where there is none and please concentrate on the local elections. UKIP has a good chance of winning in 2014. I urge everyone who finds comments from trolls like Ramage and AAA to show their disgust by voting UKIP. I understand why they post anonymously. No-one in their right mind would post their comments and allow themselves to be identified. They are too ashamed to put their own name to their comments. And so they should be! A better alternative would be for them to act more responsibly and grown-up.[/p][/quote]THE QOUTE IS FROM Patrick O’Flynn UKIP EASTERN REGION NO1 CANDIDATE AND THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT HE HAS RETRACTED OR ALTERED HIS VIEWS THAT IS A VOTE FOR UKIP IS A VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID THESE THINGS. ancientandageing
  • Score: -3

2:06pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all.

Live and let live.
http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/National_So


cialist_Program
I would draw your attention to point 24

statements of religous tolerance clearly need to be set in context and the context today is UKIP candidates saying things that don't sit comfortably with your re assurance.

So would you kindly answer do you agree with these words of a UKIP candidate :-

On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com


munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
@PHIL COX YOU WILL NOT DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THESE ANTI MUSLIM STATEMENTS

even your nieghbour and fellow UKIP candidate Davids Penn has described the auther of the comments as those of an "unsavoury individual"

under the circumstances I assume that he agrees with the "unsavoury individual" and his statements
THE QOUTE IS FROM Patrick O’Flynn UKIP EASTERN REGION NO1 CANDIDATE AND THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT HE HAS RETRACTED OR ALTERED HIS VIEWS

THAT IS A VOTE FOR UKIP IS A VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID THESE THINGS

ALL I WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS KNOW WHAT UKIP REALLY IS
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: For the record, I deplore racism and I believe in equal religious tolerance for all. Live and let live.[/p][/quote]http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_So cialist_Program I would draw your attention to point 24 statements of religous tolerance clearly need to be set in context and the context today is UKIP candidates saying things that don't sit comfortably with your re assurance. So would you kindly answer do you agree with these words of a UKIP candidate :- On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."[/p][/quote]@PHIL COX YOU WILL NOT DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM THESE ANTI MUSLIM STATEMENTS even your nieghbour and fellow UKIP candidate Davids Penn has described the auther of the comments as those of an "unsavoury individual" under the circumstances I assume that he agrees with the "unsavoury individual" and his statements[/p][/quote]THE QOUTE IS FROM Patrick O’Flynn UKIP EASTERN REGION NO1 CANDIDATE AND THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT HE HAS RETRACTED OR ALTERED HIS VIEWS THAT IS A VOTE FOR UKIP IS A VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID THESE THINGS ALL I WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS KNOW WHAT UKIP REALLY IS ancientandageing
  • Score: -8

2:09pm Sat 10 May 14

audentior01923 says...

I'm still waiting for an answer Mr Cox ?!?
I'm still waiting for an answer Mr Cox ?!? audentior01923
  • Score: -6

2:22pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

audentior01923 wrote:
I'm still waiting for an answer Mr Cox ?!?
I think he might of found a rock to slither under
[quote][p][bold]audentior01923[/bold] wrote: I'm still waiting for an answer Mr Cox ?!?[/p][/quote]I think he might of found a rock to slither under ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

2:44pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

MaryWatford wrote:
This UKIP chap seems a bit of a dictator in the making - his way or the highway..doesn't seem to like people having a view. mmmmm after reading all these comments and replies now not too sure about him.
Smears are easy.

Would you care to explain how you came to this conclusion? It's so far from the truth.
[quote][p][bold]MaryWatford[/bold] wrote: This UKIP chap seems a bit of a dictator in the making - his way or the highway..doesn't seem to like people having a view. mmmmm after reading all these comments and replies now not too sure about him.[/p][/quote]Smears are easy. Would you care to explain how you came to this conclusion? It's so far from the truth. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 12

4:06pm Sat 10 May 14

D_Penn says...

Finally something I can agree with ancientandageing on.

She wrote...

"ALL I WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS KNOW WHAT UKIP REALLY IS"

So do I, and in a strange way, you are helping.

The more you keep throwing the same lie about UKIP being racist, the more people will bother to check up on whether you are telling the truth or not.

The number of gullible people who still believe the rubbish that the pro-EU and left wing media keep throwing at us is dropping all the time as they realise that people like you have lied to them again and again for your own desperate aims.

Anyway, just to remind you again since you seem to keep forgetting, here is a section from the UKIP constitution, which, if proven broken by any member, sees them expelled from the party.

"The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law."
Finally something I can agree with ancientandageing on. She wrote... "ALL I WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS KNOW WHAT UKIP REALLY IS" So do I, and in a strange way, you are helping. The more you keep throwing the same lie about UKIP being racist, the more people will bother to check up on whether you are telling the truth or not. The number of gullible people who still believe the rubbish that the pro-EU and left wing media keep throwing at us is dropping all the time as they realise that people like you have lied to them again and again for your own desperate aims. Anyway, just to remind you again since you seem to keep forgetting, here is a section from the UKIP constitution, which, if proven broken by any member, sees them expelled from the party. "The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law." D_Penn
  • Score: 12

4:37pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all

I see the UKIP "peoples army" is massing and missing at the same time.
I have not lied have I
The anti Muslim bile of Patrick O Flynn is on public record. HE WROTE (in the express):-
“On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."
"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

He is standing as the first on the UKIP list for Eastern region (us) I hold these to be extreme views and as such it really does not matter what you say about your constitution does it?
Vote UKIP and you get a the above anti Muslim tripe, that is unless ofcourse David Penn and Mr Cox have the guts to say vote UKIP locally but not in Europe as we disagree with the views of the no 1 candidate as he is “an unsavoury individual who has hidden true beliefs and slipped through the net.” Although I do fail to see how he hid them as he put them on the pages of a national newspaper, but that’s just nit-picking really.
Its not that I am anti UKIP (although I am), for it would be more productive to ridicule them on their delusion I am a Cllr, who is it this time? Or to point fun at their David Ickeesque conspiracy theorys. No it is that this person is set to become one of our MEP’s and I find his stated views repugnant.
They are however exactly what every vote for UKIP ENDORSES
Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all I see the UKIP "peoples army" is massing and missing at the same time. I have not lied have I The anti Muslim bile of Patrick O Flynn is on public record. HE WROTE (in the express):- “On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." He is standing as the first on the UKIP list for Eastern region (us) I hold these to be extreme views and as such it really does not matter what you say about your constitution does it? Vote UKIP and you get a the above anti Muslim tripe, that is unless ofcourse David Penn and Mr Cox have the guts to say vote UKIP locally but not in Europe as we disagree with the views of the no 1 candidate as he is “an unsavoury individual who has hidden [his] true beliefs and slipped through the net.” Although I do fail to see how he hid them as he put them on the pages of a national newspaper, but that’s just nit-picking really. Its not that I am anti UKIP (although I am), for it would be more productive to ridicule them on their delusion I am a Cllr, who is it this time? Or to point fun at their David Ickeesque conspiracy theorys. No it is that this person is set to become one of our MEP’s and I find his stated views repugnant. They are however exactly what every vote for UKIP ENDORSES ancientandageing
  • Score: -5

4:41pm Sat 10 May 14

audentior01923 says...

D_Penn wrote:
Finally something I can agree with ancientandageing on.

She wrote...

"ALL I WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS KNOW WHAT UKIP REALLY IS"

So do I, and in a strange way, you are helping.

The more you keep throwing the same lie about UKIP being racist, the more people will bother to check up on whether you are telling the truth or not.

The number of gullible people who still believe the rubbish that the pro-EU and left wing media keep throwing at us is dropping all the time as they realise that people like you have lied to them again and again for your own desperate aims.

Anyway, just to remind you again since you seem to keep forgetting, here is a section from the UKIP constitution, which, if proven broken by any member, sees them expelled from the party.

"The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law."
The truth is that it helps other parties to present UKIP as a racist party, but this line isn't far from the truth. You see and you alone are not UKIP and Phil and Phil alone is not UKIP. UKIP is a party of which you and Phil represent. There in lies the problem your party is made up of people and members that predominantly hold views that are racial and/or prejudicial. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it. That's why Cameron in 2006 branded you closet racists (He was right, just politically naive to say it), and that's why only last month you were branded racists by a cross-party group. I do acknowledge that an individual who supports UKIP is not necessarily racist, and I think it was poor when Rotherham Council decided to remove a child from foster care because the parents were members/supporters of UKIP, but ultimately you have no real ideas on Education, Police, Health or the Economy (cutting corporation and inheritance tax doesn't cut the mustard) and only exist as a party with the real aim of leaving Europe. You have found yourself elevated because of voter apathy and a general disdain at the moment for politics, but the truth is that UKIPS only purpose in life is to allow such people to make a protest vote at the ballot boxes. You have your place in the food chain and its right at the bottom.

The old line of "I'm not a racist because my best friends, cousins, aunties parrot is black" doesn't wash !

I mean is your party really going to say "The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law."

I think not it (it would be against the law for starters), You're fooling no one but the very disenchanted !
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: Finally something I can agree with ancientandageing on. She wrote... "ALL I WANT PEOPLE TO DO IS KNOW WHAT UKIP REALLY IS" So do I, and in a strange way, you are helping. The more you keep throwing the same lie about UKIP being racist, the more people will bother to check up on whether you are telling the truth or not. The number of gullible people who still believe the rubbish that the pro-EU and left wing media keep throwing at us is dropping all the time as they realise that people like you have lied to them again and again for your own desperate aims. Anyway, just to remind you again since you seem to keep forgetting, here is a section from the UKIP constitution, which, if proven broken by any member, sees them expelled from the party. "The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does not discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law."[/p][/quote]The truth is that it helps other parties to present UKIP as a racist party, but this line isn't far from the truth. You see and you alone are not UKIP and Phil and Phil alone is not UKIP. UKIP is a party of which you and Phil represent. There in lies the problem your party is made up of people and members that predominantly hold views that are racial and/or prejudicial. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it. That's why Cameron in 2006 branded you closet racists (He was right, just politically naive to say it), and that's why only last month you were branded racists by a cross-party group. I do acknowledge that an individual who supports UKIP is not necessarily racist, and I think it was poor when Rotherham Council decided to remove a child from foster care because the parents were members/supporters of UKIP, but ultimately you have no real ideas on Education, Police, Health or the Economy (cutting corporation and inheritance tax doesn't cut the mustard) and only exist as a party with the real aim of leaving Europe. You have found yourself elevated because of voter apathy and a general disdain at the moment for politics, but the truth is that UKIPS only purpose in life is to allow such people to make a protest vote at the ballot boxes. You have your place in the food chain and its right at the bottom. The old line of "I'm not a racist because my best friends, cousins, aunties parrot is black" doesn't wash ! I mean is your party really going to say "The Party shall conduct itself and its affairs in such a way that it does discriminate against or in favour of any person on the grounds of their race, religion, ethnic origin, education, beliefs, sexual orientation, class, social status, sectarianism or any other basis prescribed by law." I think not it (it would be against the law for starters), You're fooling no one but the very disenchanted ! audentior01923
  • Score: -2

5:11pm Sat 10 May 14

WatfordAlex says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents).

To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing).

It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough.
More LibDem nonsense.

Read the manifesto for yourselves, do not expect a LibDem to give a fair appraisal of anything UKIP.
Your powers of analysis aren't hugely reassuring Phil. Show me just 1 occasion where I have ever criticized Labour or the Greens. Given that they are the main threat to the Lib Dems, they would logically be the target of Lib Dem politicians. Unlike your lot, they actually have elected councillors (they even have MPs; something your party can only dream of). I used to ridicule the BNP posters on this site until they realized they were unelectable and went away. Likewise, your lot.

Very convenient though to play the man rather than the ball. Expressing paranoid delusions about who posters are allows you to sidestep the fundamental flaws in your own polices when they are flagged up..
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents). To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing). It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough.[/p][/quote]More LibDem nonsense. Read the manifesto for yourselves, do not expect a LibDem to give a fair appraisal of anything UKIP.[/p][/quote]Your powers of analysis aren't hugely reassuring Phil. Show me just 1 occasion where I have ever criticized Labour or the Greens. Given that they are the main threat to the Lib Dems, they would logically be the target of Lib Dem politicians. Unlike your lot, they actually have elected councillors (they even have MPs; something your party can only dream of). I used to ridicule the BNP posters on this site until they realized they were unelectable and went away. Likewise, your lot. Very convenient though to play the man rather than the ball. Expressing paranoid delusions about who posters are allows you to sidestep the fundamental flaws in your own polices when they are flagged up.. WatfordAlex
  • Score: -5

5:13pm Sat 10 May 14

WatfordAlex says...

audentior01923 wrote:
I'm still waiting for an answer Mr Cox ?!?
You'll be waiting a long time. Snake oil salesmen don't hang around when difficult questions start to be asked...
[quote][p][bold]audentior01923[/bold] wrote: I'm still waiting for an answer Mr Cox ?!?[/p][/quote]You'll be waiting a long time. Snake oil salesmen don't hang around when difficult questions start to be asked... WatfordAlex
  • Score: -1

5:48pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents).

To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing).

It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough.
More LibDem nonsense.

Read the manifesto for yourselves, do not expect a LibDem to give a fair appraisal of anything UKIP.
Your powers of analysis aren't hugely reassuring Phil. Show me just 1 occasion where I have ever criticized Labour or the Greens. Given that they are the main threat to the Lib Dems, they would logically be the target of Lib Dem politicians. Unlike your lot, they actually have elected councillors (they even have MPs; something your party can only dream of). I used to ridicule the BNP posters on this site until they realized they were unelectable and went away. Likewise, your lot.

Very convenient though to play the man rather than the ball. Expressing paranoid delusions about who posters are allows you to sidestep the fundamental flaws in your own polices when they are flagged up..
Look at our policies. No flaws there.

It is telling, you are right.

UKIP are the main threat to Dorothy Thornhill as Mayor. That's why you are attacking us.

UKIP are on the up, both nationally and locally. The LibDems are heading in the opposite direction. No wonder you are worried.

Your canvassers will be telling you the same thing we are hearing. People are voting UKIP in May in numbers never before seen in Watford.

Will it be enough to unseat the LibDems? I hope so.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Would be good to see the other parties plans as well (greens, conservatives & independents). To be fair to UKIP, there does not appear to be any reference to immigrants or the EU (if only there local leaflets and posters could do such a thing). It comes across as a mixture of meaningless cliches ('common sense'), well intentioned stuff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), and a lot of Jeremy Clarkson style whinging. Reading from the start it is clear that there main interest is any restrictions on car drivers, despite the fact that most of the stuff they don't like is the responsibility of the County Council rather than the Borough.[/p][/quote]More LibDem nonsense. Read the manifesto for yourselves, do not expect a LibDem to give a fair appraisal of anything UKIP.[/p][/quote]Your powers of analysis aren't hugely reassuring Phil. Show me just 1 occasion where I have ever criticized Labour or the Greens. Given that they are the main threat to the Lib Dems, they would logically be the target of Lib Dem politicians. Unlike your lot, they actually have elected councillors (they even have MPs; something your party can only dream of). I used to ridicule the BNP posters on this site until they realized they were unelectable and went away. Likewise, your lot. Very convenient though to play the man rather than the ball. Expressing paranoid delusions about who posters are allows you to sidestep the fundamental flaws in your own polices when they are flagged up..[/p][/quote]Look at our policies. No flaws there. It is telling, you are right. UKIP are the main threat to Dorothy Thornhill as Mayor. That's why you are attacking us. UKIP are on the up, both nationally and locally. The LibDems are heading in the opposite direction. No wonder you are worried. Your canvassers will be telling you the same thing we are hearing. People are voting UKIP in May in numbers never before seen in Watford. Will it be enough to unseat the LibDems? I hope so. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 11

6:15pm Sat 10 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity.
Cox clearly doesn't understand English or spelling, here's the dictionary definition: An oxymoron (plural oxymora or oxymorons) is a figure of speech that juxtaposes elements that appear to be contradictory.
On the other hand Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability, something which Cox and other UKIP candidates seem to have in common.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity.[/p][/quote]Cox clearly doesn't understand English or spelling, here's the dictionary definition: An oxymoron (plural oxymora or oxymorons) is a figure of speech that juxtaposes elements that appear to be contradictory. On the other hand Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability, something which Cox and other UKIP candidates seem to have in common. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -10

6:26pm Sat 10 May 14

Sara says...

"There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names."

Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct.
"There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names." Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct. Sara
  • Score: 2

6:28pm Sat 10 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it..
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. LocalBoy1
  • Score: 14

6:36pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
"There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names."

Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct.
Are you denying it happens with LibDem councillors Sara?
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: "There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names." Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct.[/p][/quote]Are you denying it happens with LibDem councillors Sara? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

6:58pm Sat 10 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given... LocalBoy1
  • Score: 7

7:02pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
"There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names."

Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct.
Are you denying it happens with LibDem councillors Sara?
he dare not do it, idoesthat means he is a coward??

you decide,
I myself have been accused by these UKIPers of being a cllr (if only ny proxy)
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: "There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names." Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct.[/p][/quote]Are you denying it happens with LibDem councillors Sara?[/p][/quote]he dare not do it, idoesthat means he is a coward?? you decide, I myself have been accused by these UKIPers of being a cllr (if only ny proxy) ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

7:09pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity.
Cox clearly doesn't understand English or spelling, here's the dictionary definition: An oxymoron (plural oxymora or oxymorons) is a figure of speech that juxtaposes elements that appear to be contradictory.
On the other hand Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability, something which Cox and other UKIP candidates seem to have in common.
Sense of humour failure.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Oxymoron - (sic) a councillor who posts under a false identity.[/p][/quote]Cox clearly doesn't understand English or spelling, here's the dictionary definition: An oxymoron (plural oxymora or oxymorons) is a figure of speech that juxtaposes elements that appear to be contradictory. On the other hand Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability, something which Cox and other UKIP candidates seem to have in common.[/p][/quote]Sense of humour failure. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 7

7:16pm Sat 10 May 14

crazyfrog says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...
Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation. crazyfrog
  • Score: 7

7:34pm Sat 10 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

crazyfrog wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...
Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.
Thank you Sir.... I thought I was alone on here...
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.[/p][/quote]Thank you Sir.... I thought I was alone on here... LocalBoy1
  • Score: 7

7:40pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all

I see the UKIP "peoples army" is massing and missing at the same time.
I have not lied have I
The anti Muslim bile of Patrick O Flynn is on public record. HE WROTE (in the express):-
“On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."
"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

He is standing as the first on the UKIP list for Eastern region (us) I hold these to be extreme views and as such it really does not matter what you say about your constitution does it?
Vote UKIP and you get a the above anti Muslim tripe, that is unless ofcourse David Penn and Mr Cox have the guts to say vote UKIP locally but not in Europe as we disagree with the views of the no 1 candidate as he is “an unsavoury individual who has hidden true beliefs and slipped through the net.” Although I do fail to see how he hid them as he put them on the pages of a national newspaper, but that’s just nit-picking really.
Its not that I am anti UKIP (although I am), for it would be more productive to ridicule them on their delusion I am a Cllr, who is it this time? Or to point fun at their David Ickeesque conspiracy theorys. No it is that this person is set to become one of our MEP’s and I find his stated views repugnant.
They are however exactly what every vote for UKIP ENDORSES
I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense

VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all I see the UKIP "peoples army" is massing and missing at the same time. I have not lied have I The anti Muslim bile of Patrick O Flynn is on public record. HE WROTE (in the express):- “On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." He is standing as the first on the UKIP list for Eastern region (us) I hold these to be extreme views and as such it really does not matter what you say about your constitution does it? Vote UKIP and you get a the above anti Muslim tripe, that is unless ofcourse David Penn and Mr Cox have the guts to say vote UKIP locally but not in Europe as we disagree with the views of the no 1 candidate as he is “an unsavoury individual who has hidden [his] true beliefs and slipped through the net.” Although I do fail to see how he hid them as he put them on the pages of a national newspaper, but that’s just nit-picking really. Its not that I am anti UKIP (although I am), for it would be more productive to ridicule them on their delusion I am a Cllr, who is it this time? Or to point fun at their David Ickeesque conspiracy theorys. No it is that this person is set to become one of our MEP’s and I find his stated views repugnant. They are however exactly what every vote for UKIP ENDORSES[/p][/quote]I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

7:40pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

crazyfrog wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...
Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.
Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too.

Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this.

The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election.

The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right.
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.[/p][/quote]Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too. Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this. The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election. The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 9

7:52pm Sat 10 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

@ancientandageing

I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense

VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA........ Good Lord. The same comment over and over and over again. What on earth is the matter with you? Can't you manage to think outside the box at all?
@ancientandageing I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA........ Good Lord. The same comment over and over and over again. What on earth is the matter with you? Can't you manage to think outside the box at all? LocalBoy1
  • Score: 6

8:15pm Sat 10 May 14

audentior01923 says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...
Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.
Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too.

Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this.

The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election.

The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right.
Schapps is a joke and the thing on his German Wife was a cheap shot that much I agree with and the bingo thing was terrible. But becareful what mud you throw about, you have a lot of ex Conservatives in your ranks including your leader who was a Conservative until the early nineties.

And yes the other parties are worried, but not because of UKIP. You see UKIP represent the anti, disenchanted vote and any buffoon could step into your shoes and do the same thing, and get that same vote.

Your stock is limited but slightly useful to the electorate at the moment. You will be by the waste side in a few years to come and many of the local bandwagon UKIP candidates / supporters will fall fall abruptly off.

Oh and I see UKIP have started doing multis on here like localboy1 and crazyfrog and have learnt how to manipulate the likes and dislikes. May I congratulate you on having your use !
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.[/p][/quote]Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too. Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this. The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election. The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right.[/p][/quote]Schapps is a joke and the thing on his German Wife was a cheap shot that much I agree with and the bingo thing was terrible. But becareful what mud you throw about, you have a lot of ex Conservatives in your ranks including your leader who was a Conservative until the early nineties. And yes the other parties are worried, but not because of UKIP. You see UKIP represent the anti, disenchanted vote and any buffoon could step into your shoes and do the same thing, and get that same vote. Your stock is limited but slightly useful to the electorate at the moment. You will be by the waste side in a few years to come and many of the local bandwagon UKIP candidates / supporters will fall fall abruptly off. Oh and I see UKIP have started doing multis on here like localboy1 and crazyfrog and have learnt how to manipulate the likes and dislikes. May I congratulate you on having your use ! audentior01923
  • Score: -7

8:38pm Sat 10 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

audentior01923 wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...
Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.
Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too.

Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this.

The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election.

The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right.
Schapps is a joke and the thing on his German Wife was a cheap shot that much I agree with and the bingo thing was terrible. But becareful what mud you throw about, you have a lot of ex Conservatives in your ranks including your leader who was a Conservative until the early nineties.

And yes the other parties are worried, but not because of UKIP. You see UKIP represent the anti, disenchanted vote and any buffoon could step into your shoes and do the same thing, and get that same vote.

Your stock is limited but slightly useful to the electorate at the moment. You will be by the waste side in a few years to come and many of the local bandwagon UKIP candidates / supporters will fall fall abruptly off.

Oh and I see UKIP have started doing multis on here like localboy1 and crazyfrog and have learnt how to manipulate the likes and dislikes. May I congratulate you on having your use !
OH Dear, does sound like you have had thoroughly awful day. Never mind it should stop raining tomorrow! You may then be less bitter and grumpy, we can only hope!
[quote][p][bold]audentior01923[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.[/p][/quote]Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too. Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this. The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election. The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right.[/p][/quote]Schapps is a joke and the thing on his German Wife was a cheap shot that much I agree with and the bingo thing was terrible. But becareful what mud you throw about, you have a lot of ex Conservatives in your ranks including your leader who was a Conservative until the early nineties. And yes the other parties are worried, but not because of UKIP. You see UKIP represent the anti, disenchanted vote and any buffoon could step into your shoes and do the same thing, and get that same vote. Your stock is limited but slightly useful to the electorate at the moment. You will be by the waste side in a few years to come and many of the local bandwagon UKIP candidates / supporters will fall fall abruptly off. Oh and I see UKIP have started doing multis on here like localboy1 and crazyfrog and have learnt how to manipulate the likes and dislikes. May I congratulate you on having your use ![/p][/quote]OH Dear, does sound like you have had thoroughly awful day. Never mind it should stop raining tomorrow! You may then be less bitter and grumpy, we can only hope! LocalBoy1
  • Score: 4

8:49pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
@ancientandageing

I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense

VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA........ Good Lord. The same comment over and over and over again. What on earth is the matter with you? Can't you manage to think outside the box at all?
it is the truth

The UKIP no1 list candidate did write the qoutes I gave they were


"On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com
munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

I am noy making it up, a vote for UKIP is a vote for Islamaphobia as demonstrated by these qoutes.

now feel free to complain I am sure that other ukipers have done so allready

you might want to verify for yourself try this and then looking up the original Express articles.

http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-
s-new-director-of-co
mmunications-patrick
-o-flynn-in-his-own-
words-3324
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: @ancientandageing I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA........ Good Lord. The same comment over and over and over again. What on earth is the matter with you? Can't you manage to think outside the box at all?[/p][/quote]it is the truth The UKIP no1 list candidate did write the qoutes I gave they were "On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." I am noy making it up, a vote for UKIP is a vote for Islamaphobia as demonstrated by these qoutes. now feel free to complain I am sure that other ukipers have done so allready you might want to verify for yourself try this and then looking up the original Express articles. http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

8:55pm Sat 10 May 14

D_Penn says...

ancientandageing wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all

I see the UKIP "peoples army" is massing and missing at the same time.
I have not lied have I
The anti Muslim bile of Patrick O Flynn is on public record. HE WROTE (in the express):-
“On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."
"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

He is standing as the first on the UKIP list for Eastern region (us) I hold these to be extreme views and as such it really does not matter what you say about your constitution does it?
Vote UKIP and you get a the above anti Muslim tripe, that is unless ofcourse David Penn and Mr Cox have the guts to say vote UKIP locally but not in Europe as we disagree with the views of the no 1 candidate as he is “an unsavoury individual who has hidden true beliefs and slipped through the net.” Although I do fail to see how he hid them as he put them on the pages of a national newspaper, but that’s just nit-picking really.
Its not that I am anti UKIP (although I am), for it would be more productive to ridicule them on their delusion I am a Cllr, who is it this time? Or to point fun at their David Ickeesque conspiracy theorys. No it is that this person is set to become one of our MEP’s and I find his stated views repugnant.
They are however exactly what every vote for UKIP ENDORSES
I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense

VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA
What utter rubbish.

If you stopped hiding away and actually got out and met UKIP people in Watford, as I have offered you the opportunity to do time and time again, you would soon see how ridiculous, and frankly insulting, your assertions are.

But of course, you are not interested in the truth, are you? Desperate to support Labour, you are doomed to live in ignorance because you fail to question the smears from the left wing media who cherry-pick and twist anything they can misrepresent to slur UKIP.

Incidentally, instead if attacking other parties by searching the internet for muck, why not type in 'Labour councillor suspended' into Google and watch the plethora of nasty stories that come up, from paedophilia to racism.Perhaps you ought to sort out the ugly side of your own party before throwing stones.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all I see the UKIP "peoples army" is massing and missing at the same time. I have not lied have I The anti Muslim bile of Patrick O Flynn is on public record. HE WROTE (in the express):- “On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." He is standing as the first on the UKIP list for Eastern region (us) I hold these to be extreme views and as such it really does not matter what you say about your constitution does it? Vote UKIP and you get a the above anti Muslim tripe, that is unless ofcourse David Penn and Mr Cox have the guts to say vote UKIP locally but not in Europe as we disagree with the views of the no 1 candidate as he is “an unsavoury individual who has hidden [his] true beliefs and slipped through the net.” Although I do fail to see how he hid them as he put them on the pages of a national newspaper, but that’s just nit-picking really. Its not that I am anti UKIP (although I am), for it would be more productive to ridicule them on their delusion I am a Cllr, who is it this time? Or to point fun at their David Ickeesque conspiracy theorys. No it is that this person is set to become one of our MEP’s and I find his stated views repugnant. They are however exactly what every vote for UKIP ENDORSES[/p][/quote]I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA[/p][/quote]What utter rubbish. If you stopped hiding away and actually got out and met UKIP people in Watford, as I have offered you the opportunity to do time and time again, you would soon see how ridiculous, and frankly insulting, your assertions are. But of course, you are not interested in the truth, are you? Desperate to support Labour, you are doomed to live in ignorance because you fail to question the smears from the left wing media who cherry-pick and twist anything they can misrepresent to slur UKIP. Incidentally, instead if attacking other parties by searching the internet for muck, why not type in 'Labour councillor suspended' into Google and watch the plethora of nasty stories that come up, from paedophilia to racism.Perhaps you ought to sort out the ugly side of your own party before throwing stones. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

9:03pm Sat 10 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

ancientandageing wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
@ancientandageing

I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense

VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA........ Good Lord. The same comment over and over and over again. What on earth is the matter with you? Can't you manage to think outside the box at all?
it is the truth

The UKIP no1 list candidate did write the qoutes I gave they were


"On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com

munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

I am noy making it up, a vote for UKIP is a vote for Islamaphobia as demonstrated by these qoutes.

now feel free to complain I am sure that other ukipers have done so allready

you might want to verify for yourself try this and then looking up the original Express articles.

http://www.hopenotha

te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-

s-new-director-of-co

mmunications-patrick

-o-flynn-in-his-own-

words-3324
@ancientandageing

It is the truth??? Whhhhooooo.... are you brave or stupid? The latter I think!.... Your starting to sound remarkably like "dontyouknownot" again... but then when you have the bit between your teeth, you also have the blinkers on. Sound familiar? Go Neddy....
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: @ancientandageing I see you guys by absence of denoynciating are endorsing this Anti muslim nonsense VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA........ Good Lord. The same comment over and over and over again. What on earth is the matter with you? Can't you manage to think outside the box at all?[/p][/quote]it is the truth The UKIP no1 list candidate did write the qoutes I gave they were "On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." I am noy making it up, a vote for UKIP is a vote for Islamaphobia as demonstrated by these qoutes. now feel free to complain I am sure that other ukipers have done so allready you might want to verify for yourself try this and then looking up the original Express articles. http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324[/p][/quote]@ancientandageing It is the truth??? Whhhhooooo.... are you brave or stupid? The latter I think!.... Your starting to sound remarkably like "dontyouknownot" again... but then when you have the bit between your teeth, you also have the blinkers on. Sound familiar? Go Neddy.... LocalBoy1
  • Score: 7

9:20pm Sat 10 May 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
"There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names."

Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct.
Are you denying it happens with LibDem councillors Sara?
I can't account for every councillor everywhere. But I do know that a couple of senior Councillors, including Iain Sharpe, never post on here.

So rather than smearing him and others, either name or withdraw.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: "There are certain councillors who are notorious for posting in the WO under false names." Name them and their false names. The only one anyone has named on here is not correct.[/p][/quote]Are you denying it happens with LibDem councillors Sara?[/p][/quote]I can't account for every councillor everywhere. But I do know that a couple of senior Councillors, including Iain Sharpe, never post on here. So rather than smearing him and others, either name or withdraw. Sara
  • Score: 7

9:35pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

He would have no problem signing a pledge to only post under his real name then, would he?

That's what I like to hear.

Why is it, do you think, so many people have identified him on these pages for doing just that?

If you can't answer that, then would you at least join me in condemning councillors who would post on these pages under assumed names?
He would have no problem signing a pledge to only post under his real name then, would he? That's what I like to hear. Why is it, do you think, so many people have identified him on these pages for doing just that? If you can't answer that, then would you at least join me in condemning councillors who would post on these pages under assumed names? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

9:38pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Oh dedums you guys do seem to be rattled, and like snakes maybe spitting venom, golly that would be Cobras not rattlesnakes.
Never mind This DKYN sounds interesting please tell me more, did he rumble UKIP as a racist party?
Come on lets be having the UKIP fantasy world; what is it a group called “common Purpose” taking over the world with Hornet weeping angels. I understand you are now taking over from David Icke here, maybe they are part of the grand Illuminati or some such.
What else all this halal meat is part of a conspiracy that will have us living under Sharia law I kid you not, if you don’t believe me try this from UKIP daily.
“The problem here is that this is how Sharia law is going to be introduced to Britain – in small increments, just as political correctness was.

We all know now – or should do – that if we had dug our heals in when political correctness first arose (rather than thinking of it as isolated and extreme) we could have prevented the terrible damage that it has done to the country.

If we view the adoption of Muslim practices as radical and extreme the same thing will happen. We must resist the creeping submission to islam now, ot in a few decades we will all be living under Sharia. This is not alarmist, experience has taught us precisely this.”

I mean you just could not make it up, the extent of delusional thought seems limitless, people who disagree with UKIP are cllrs or left wing loons or Tory candidates, no they are just people that disagree, and prior to UKIP trying to use local papers as a campaign tool they would say their piece and have disagreements with others maybe the odd debate. However since the arrival of the UKIP “peoples army” they are trolls to be bullied by the followers of the bizarre sect.
I say sect because quite frankly with all this conspiracy nonsense going on that is what it looks like
Oh dedums you guys do seem to be rattled, and like snakes maybe spitting venom, golly that would be Cobras not rattlesnakes. Never mind This DKYN sounds interesting please tell me more, did he rumble UKIP as a racist party? Come on lets be having the UKIP fantasy world; what is it a group called “common Purpose” taking over the world with Hornet weeping angels. I understand you are now taking over from David Icke here, maybe they are part of the grand Illuminati or some such. What else all this halal meat is part of a conspiracy that will have us living under Sharia law I kid you not, if you don’t believe me try this from UKIP daily. “The problem here is that this is how Sharia law is going to be introduced to Britain – in small increments, just as political correctness was. We all know now – or should do – that if we had dug our heals in when political correctness first arose (rather than thinking of it as isolated and extreme) we could have prevented the terrible damage that it has done to the country. If we view the adoption of Muslim practices as radical and extreme the same thing will happen. We must resist the creeping submission to islam now, ot in a few decades we will all be living under Sharia. This is not alarmist, experience has taught us precisely this.” I mean you just could not make it up, the extent of delusional thought seems limitless, people who disagree with UKIP are cllrs or left wing loons or Tory candidates, no they are just people that disagree, and prior to UKIP trying to use local papers as a campaign tool they would say their piece and have disagreements with others maybe the odd debate. However since the arrival of the UKIP “peoples army” they are trolls to be bullied by the followers of the bizarre sect. I say sect because quite frankly with all this conspiracy nonsense going on that is what it looks like ancientandageing
  • Score: 2

9:42pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

9:44pm Sat 10 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Please forgive me if I do not respond to trolls. I can't even be bothered to read their rambling nonsense any more.

Sensible posters can expect a sensible response.
Please forgive me if I do not respond to trolls. I can't even be bothered to read their rambling nonsense any more. Sensible posters can expect a sensible response. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

9:44pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Oh dedums you guys do seem to be rattled, and like snakes maybe spitting venom, golly that would be Cobras not rattlesnakes.
Never mind This DKYN sounds interesting please tell me more, did he rumble UKIP as a racist party?
Come on lets be having the UKIP fantasy world; what is it a group called “common Purpose” taking over the world with Hornet weeping angels. I understand you are now taking over from David Icke here, maybe they are part of the grand Illuminati or some such.
What else all this halal meat is part of a conspiracy that will have us living under Sharia law I kid you not, if you don’t believe me try this from UKIP daily.
“The problem here is that this is how Sharia law is going to be introduced to Britain – in small increments, just as political correctness was.

We all know now – or should do – that if we had dug our heals in when political correctness first arose (rather than thinking of it as isolated and extreme) we could have prevented the terrible damage that it has done to the country.

If we view the adoption of Muslim practices as radical and extreme the same thing will happen. We must resist the creeping submission to islam now, ot in a few decades we will all be living under Sharia. This is not alarmist, experience has taught us precisely this.”

I mean you just could not make it up, the extent of delusional thought seems limitless, people who disagree with UKIP are cllrs or left wing loons or Tory candidates, no they are just people that disagree, and prior to UKIP trying to use local papers as a campaign tool they would say their piece and have disagreements with others maybe the odd debate. However since the arrival of the UKIP “peoples army” they are trolls to be bullied by the followers of the bizarre sect.
I say sect because quite frankly with all this conspiracy nonsense going on that is what it looks like
BTW if your last post was aimed at me the answer is £0
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: Oh dedums you guys do seem to be rattled, and like snakes maybe spitting venom, golly that would be Cobras not rattlesnakes. Never mind This DKYN sounds interesting please tell me more, did he rumble UKIP as a racist party? Come on lets be having the UKIP fantasy world; what is it a group called “common Purpose” taking over the world with Hornet weeping angels. I understand you are now taking over from David Icke here, maybe they are part of the grand Illuminati or some such. What else all this halal meat is part of a conspiracy that will have us living under Sharia law I kid you not, if you don’t believe me try this from UKIP daily. “The problem here is that this is how Sharia law is going to be introduced to Britain – in small increments, just as political correctness was. We all know now – or should do – that if we had dug our heals in when political correctness first arose (rather than thinking of it as isolated and extreme) we could have prevented the terrible damage that it has done to the country. If we view the adoption of Muslim practices as radical and extreme the same thing will happen. We must resist the creeping submission to islam now, ot in a few decades we will all be living under Sharia. This is not alarmist, experience has taught us precisely this.” I mean you just could not make it up, the extent of delusional thought seems limitless, people who disagree with UKIP are cllrs or left wing loons or Tory candidates, no they are just people that disagree, and prior to UKIP trying to use local papers as a campaign tool they would say their piece and have disagreements with others maybe the odd debate. However since the arrival of the UKIP “peoples army” they are trolls to be bullied by the followers of the bizarre sect. I say sect because quite frankly with all this conspiracy nonsense going on that is what it looks like[/p][/quote]BTW if your last post was aimed at me the answer is £0 ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

9:47pm Sat 10 May 14

crazyfrog says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
audentior01923 wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...
Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.
Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too.

Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this.

The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election.

The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right.
Schapps is a joke and the thing on his German Wife was a cheap shot that much I agree with and the bingo thing was terrible. But becareful what mud you throw about, you have a lot of ex Conservatives in your ranks including your leader who was a Conservative until the early nineties.

And yes the other parties are worried, but not because of UKIP. You see UKIP represent the anti, disenchanted vote and any buffoon could step into your shoes and do the same thing, and get that same vote.

Your stock is limited but slightly useful to the electorate at the moment. You will be by the waste side in a few years to come and many of the local bandwagon UKIP candidates / supporters will fall fall abruptly off.

Oh and I see UKIP have started doing multis on here like localboy1 and crazyfrog and have learnt how to manipulate the likes and dislikes. May I congratulate you on having your use !
OH Dear, does sound like you have had thoroughly awful day. Never mind it should stop raining tomorrow! You may then be less bitter and grumpy, we can only hope!
Never been part of a multi before , I must get out more often!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]audentior01923[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I love all this! so much venom and spite aimed at UKIP..... Really got you lot running scared and on the defensive/attack.... Just love it, love it.. That is all you "other parties" running scared and on the attack... Just to clarify in case the wrong impression was given...[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Farage gets this all the time now!!! Just shows that UKIP really do have the mainstream parties on the run they are really getting scared of UKIP and the smear campaign is getting increasingly desperate, if you watched bbc question time the other night conservative grant shapps even took a swipe a farage for having a German wife, in politics it's seen as bad taste for one politician to swipe at another politicians family , yet shapps did exactly that, just another sign of the desperation.[/p][/quote]Schapps is an embarrassment. He went to Watford Grammar so is a local embarrassment too. Do you remember he did that picture about a penny off a pint of beer and tax cuts on bingo so "you you people can do more of what you enjoy". And now this. The man's a disgrace. I hope UKIP send him to the Labour Exchange at the next election. The other parties are desperate nationally and the attacks on us here show that Labour and the LibDems both consider UKIP to be their greatest threat. From what we are hearing on the doorstep, they're right.[/p][/quote]Schapps is a joke and the thing on his German Wife was a cheap shot that much I agree with and the bingo thing was terrible. But becareful what mud you throw about, you have a lot of ex Conservatives in your ranks including your leader who was a Conservative until the early nineties. And yes the other parties are worried, but not because of UKIP. You see UKIP represent the anti, disenchanted vote and any buffoon could step into your shoes and do the same thing, and get that same vote. Your stock is limited but slightly useful to the electorate at the moment. You will be by the waste side in a few years to come and many of the local bandwagon UKIP candidates / supporters will fall fall abruptly off. Oh and I see UKIP have started doing multis on here like localboy1 and crazyfrog and have learnt how to manipulate the likes and dislikes. May I congratulate you on having your use ![/p][/quote]OH Dear, does sound like you have had thoroughly awful day. Never mind it should stop raining tomorrow! You may then be less bitter and grumpy, we can only hope![/p][/quote]Never been part of a multi before , I must get out more often!!!!!! crazyfrog
  • Score: 8

10:06pm Sat 10 May 14

Su Murray says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g
ov.uk/ccm/content/le
gal-and-democratic/c
ouncillors-details/c
ouncillors-allowance
s-2012-2013.en
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en Su Murray
  • Score: 7

10:08pm Sat 10 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

crazyfrog says...
Never been part of a multi before , I must get out more often!!!!!!........ Hi..You can break out of these long, long comment blocks, especially if engaging with "ancientandageing" ...Just start a new comment as @ such as @ancientandageing and then copy and paste the bits you want to use.. Hope this helps..
crazyfrog says... Never been part of a multi before , I must get out more often!!!!!!........ Hi..You can break out of these long, long comment blocks, especially if engaging with "ancientandageing" ...Just start a new comment as @ such as @ancientandageing and then copy and paste the bits you want to use.. Hope this helps.. LocalBoy1
  • Score: 11

10:36pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Su Murray wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g

ov.uk/ccm/content/le

gal-and-democratic/c

ouncillors-details/c

ouncillors-allowance

s-2012-2013.en
You forgot @philcox is promising open and accesable local Gov and it would therfore be inconvieniant for all this stuff to be on the public record allready.....
[quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en[/p][/quote]You forgot @philcox is promising open and accesable local Gov and it would therfore be inconvieniant for all this stuff to be on the public record allready..... ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

10:54pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

oh I see the peoples army is out in force, Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all.

now why is it you want me to vote for someone who has made so many anti Islamic statements and who David Penn discribed as an "unsavory Charector"
Now no answer is required, we all can see the mask slipping.

UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn.

When even a local candidate holds the MEP candidate in such low regard...
vote UKIP get Islamaphobia
oh I see the peoples army is out in force, Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all. now why is it you want me to vote for someone who has made so many anti Islamic statements and who David Penn discribed as an "unsavory Charector" Now no answer is required, we all can see the mask slipping. UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn. When even a local candidate holds the MEP candidate in such low regard... vote UKIP get Islamaphobia ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

11:06pm Sat 10 May 14

Sara says...

So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.
So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly. Sara
  • Score: 0

11:09pm Sat 10 May 14

Sara says...

Well done @Su. I have tried telling the aspiring mayor that the information he seeks is publicly available, but he seems unable to find it.
Well done @Su. I have tried telling the aspiring mayor that the information he seeks is publicly available, but he seems unable to find it. Sara
  • Score: 6

11:10pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Sara wrote:
So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.
that seems perfectly logical
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.[/p][/quote]that seems perfectly logical ancientandageing
  • Score: 3

11:13pm Sat 10 May 14

Su Murray says...

Sara wrote:
So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.
Sara,

I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here.

That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.[/p][/quote]Sara, I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here. That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-) Su Murray
  • Score: -2

11:15pm Sat 10 May 14

Nascot says...

A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor.
Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms?
A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor. Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms? Nascot
  • Score: 4

11:18pm Sat 10 May 14

D_Penn says...

ancientandageing wrote:
oh I see the peoples army is out in force, Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all.

now why is it you want me to vote for someone who has made so many anti Islamic statements and who David Penn discribed as an "unsavory Charector"
Now no answer is required, we all can see the mask slipping.

UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn.

When even a local candidate holds the MEP candidate in such low regard...
vote UKIP get Islamaphobia
What is wrong with you?

Nothing you have ascribed to me is true as anyone reading your posts can check.

I have never, ever, said any of it. You cannot even correctly spell the stuff you invent.

I expect an apology. Let's see if you can manage even that tiny modicom of civility.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: oh I see the peoples army is out in force, Take it easy boys, there's plenty for all. now why is it you want me to vote for someone who has made so many anti Islamic statements and who David Penn discribed as an "unsavory Charector" Now no answer is required, we all can see the mask slipping. UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn. When even a local candidate holds the MEP candidate in such low regard... vote UKIP get Islamaphobia[/p][/quote]What is wrong with you? Nothing you have ascribed to me is true as anyone reading your posts can check. I have never, ever, said any of it. You cannot even correctly spell the stuff you invent. I expect an apology. Let's see if you can manage even that tiny modicom of civility. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

11:24pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

@ david penn ukip cllr did you not right:-
I know it is difficult for you to grasp, but despite you wanting to believe the worst of UKIP, the facts speak for themselves. The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP - a totally politically motivated fabrication which most people can see through. What the media are less willing to report is that, once identified, any person who reveals racist views are swiftly removed from UKIP because the huge majority of us do not want such people associated with us, never mind that racist views are counter to the UKIP constitution.
@ david penn ukip cllr did you not right:- I know it is difficult for you to grasp, but despite you wanting to believe the worst of UKIP, the facts speak for themselves. The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP - a totally politically motivated fabrication which most people can see through. What the media are less willing to report is that, once identified, any person who reveals racist views are swiftly removed from UKIP because the huge majority of us do not want such people associated with us, never mind that racist views are counter to the UKIP constitution. ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

11:35pm Sat 10 May 14

ancientandageing says...

for clarity sake that was in direct response to me qouting the words of Patrick O'Flyn the no1 UKUIP eastern region candidate.

FYI the qoute of his words was this

On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com


munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."

"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."
for clarity sake that was in direct response to me qouting the words of Patrick O'Flyn the no1 UKUIP eastern region candidate. FYI the qoute of his words was this On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

11:56pm Sat 10 May 14

Andy Wylie says...

As well as details of councillors allowances, details of WBC senior officers pay, by individual post, is also on the WBC website. The annual accounts section, in case anyone is interested.
The promise to curb council staff pay rises is really interesting, considering it is all nationally negotiated and the mayor & councillors don't have anything to do with it. Even the senior officers pay is done independently, with councillors oversight and has to be comparable with other similar posts elsewhere, unless you want to fork out on expensive equal pay claims.
P.s. I know for a fact that Iain Sharpe does not even read this site, let alone post on it. Most councillors don't - they just don't think it is worth their time. When I was on the council I always posted under my name but one of my colleagues didn't, as a wind up. Easy to spot his posts, he was wrongly outed as Iain Sharpe many, many times, much to our amusement! We enjoy the paranoia.
As well as details of councillors allowances, details of WBC senior officers pay, by individual post, is also on the WBC website. The annual accounts section, in case anyone is interested. The promise to curb council staff pay rises is really interesting, considering it is all nationally negotiated and the mayor & councillors don't have anything to do with it. Even the senior officers pay is done independently, with councillors oversight and has to be comparable with other similar posts elsewhere, unless you want to fork out on expensive equal pay claims. P.s. I know for a fact that Iain Sharpe does not even read this site, let alone post on it. Most councillors don't - they just don't think it is worth their time. When I was on the council I always posted under my name but one of my colleagues didn't, as a wind up. Easy to spot his posts, he was wrongly outed as Iain Sharpe many, many times, much to our amusement! We enjoy the paranoia. Andy Wylie
  • Score: 5

12:03am Sun 11 May 14

D_Penn says...

@ancientandageing

You disgracefully wrote...

"UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn."

You are categorically saying that I said those very words and yet it is absolutely provable beyond argument that I never did.

I find it totally unacceptable that you are willing to publish a blatant lie and cannot even apologise, but instead seek to avoid responsibility by subsequently quoting something completely different and out of context.

At least everyone else reading here can witness first hand that nothing you say can be trusted or believed.
@ancientandageing You disgracefully wrote... "UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn." You are categorically saying that I said those very words and yet it is absolutely provable beyond argument that I never did. I find it totally unacceptable that you are willing to publish a blatant lie and cannot even apologise, but instead seek to avoid responsibility by subsequently quoting something completely different and out of context. At least everyone else reading here can witness first hand that nothing you say can be trusted or believed. D_Penn
  • Score: 5

12:05am Sun 11 May 14

crazyfrog says...

@ancientandageing you really do despise UKIP, but at least you have got phil's manifesto article to the most commented status, so UKIP have at least generated a good deal of interest in politics even if it is in the local media and that's far exceeded what any of the other mainstream parties have achieved in watford, result ! As far as I can see.
@ancientandageing you really do despise UKIP, but at least you have got phil's manifesto article to the most commented status, so UKIP have at least generated a good deal of interest in politics even if it is in the local media and that's far exceeded what any of the other mainstream parties have achieved in watford, result ! As far as I can see. crazyfrog
  • Score: 4

8:23am Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

Su Murray wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g

ov.uk/ccm/content/le

gal-and-democratic/c

ouncillors-details/c

ouncillors-allowance

s-2012-2013.en
Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.
[quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en[/p][/quote]Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website. Nascot
  • Score: 2

9:09am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Well done @Su. I have tried telling the aspiring mayor that the information he seeks is publicly available, but he seems unable to find it.
Why are you so shy of telling the people who pay your wages exactly how much you cream off them as both a local and county councillor?

Nice little earner, eh Sara?

If, as you said on another article, you did it for the satisfaction of helping your constiuents, why don't you take a reduction in allowances like Jeannette Aron in Watford? You could even go further, do it for free and get real job satisfaction or donate all the money to charity?
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Well done @Su. I have tried telling the aspiring mayor that the information he seeks is publicly available, but he seems unable to find it.[/p][/quote]Why are you so shy of telling the people who pay your wages exactly how much you cream off them as both a local and county councillor? Nice little earner, eh Sara? If, as you said on another article, you did it for the satisfaction of helping your constiuents, why don't you take a reduction in allowances like Jeannette Aron in Watford? You could even go further, do it for free and get real job satisfaction or donate all the money to charity? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

9:29am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Su Murray wrote:
Sara wrote:
So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.
Sara,

I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here.

That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)
So, Sara knows for sure.

Why is that so hard to believe?

More LibDem misinformation? You bet!

Sara, when will you tell us how much you earned from your councillor roles in the last financial year?
[quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.[/p][/quote]Sara, I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here. That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)[/p][/quote]So, Sara knows for sure. Why is that so hard to believe? More LibDem misinformation? You bet! Sara, when will you tell us how much you earned from your councillor roles in the last financial year? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

9:32am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
He would have no problem signing a pledge to only post under his real name then, would he?

That's what I like to hear.

Why is it, do you think, so many people have identified him on these pages for doing just that?

If you can't answer that, then would you at least join me in condemning councillors who would post on these pages under assumed names?
Sara,

will you join me in condemning councillors who post on here under false names?

After all, it is shameful, isn't it? We pay their wages and they try to hoodwink us.

So, do you join me in condemning them?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: He would have no problem signing a pledge to only post under his real name then, would he? That's what I like to hear. Why is it, do you think, so many people have identified him on these pages for doing just that? If you can't answer that, then would you at least join me in condemning councillors who would post on these pages under assumed names?[/p][/quote]Sara, will you join me in condemning councillors who post on here under false names? After all, it is shameful, isn't it? We pay their wages and they try to hoodwink us. So, do you join me in condemning them? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

9:51am Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
@ancientandageing

You disgracefully wrote...

"UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn."

You are categorically saying that I said those very words and yet it is absolutely provable beyond argument that I never did.

I find it totally unacceptable that you are willing to publish a blatant lie and cannot even apologise, but instead seek to avoid responsibility by subsequently quoting something completely different and out of context.

At least everyone else reading here can witness first hand that nothing you say can be trusted or believed.
OK I apalogise you did not knowingly and wittfully say Patrick O flynn is an unsavoury candidate

YOU did however Witlessly and unknowingly say it!!!

which is worse, who can say???

you did it here

http://www.watfordob
server.co.uk/news/11
186054.Watford_mayor
_refuses_to_be__bull
ied__into_ruling_out
_2015_Westminster_bi
d/

7:15pm Sat 3 May 14
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: @ancientandageing You disgracefully wrote... "UKIP is a racist party and has an unsavoury candidate for the Eastern region, not my words but those of David Penn." You are categorically saying that I said those very words and yet it is absolutely provable beyond argument that I never did. I find it totally unacceptable that you are willing to publish a blatant lie and cannot even apologise, but instead seek to avoid responsibility by subsequently quoting something completely different and out of context. At least everyone else reading here can witness first hand that nothing you say can be trusted or believed.[/p][/quote]OK I apalogise you did not knowingly and wittfully say Patrick O flynn is an unsavoury candidate YOU did however Witlessly and unknowingly say it!!! which is worse, who can say??? you did it here http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/11 186054.Watford_mayor _refuses_to_be__bull ied__into_ruling_out _2015_Westminster_bi d/ 7:15pm Sat 3 May 14 ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

9:56am Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
Well done @Su. I have tried telling the aspiring mayor that the information he seeks is publicly available, but he seems unable to find it.
Why are you so shy of telling the people who pay your wages exactly how much you cream off them as both a local and county councillor?

Nice little earner, eh Sara?

If, as you said on another article, you did it for the satisfaction of helping your constiuents, why don't you take a reduction in allowances like Jeannette Aron in Watford? You could even go further, do it for free and get real job satisfaction or donate all the money to charity?
It could be a diversion to draw attention from the amount of gravy train ridding Phil Cox would do if elected.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Well done @Su. I have tried telling the aspiring mayor that the information he seeks is publicly available, but he seems unable to find it.[/p][/quote]Why are you so shy of telling the people who pay your wages exactly how much you cream off them as both a local and county councillor? Nice little earner, eh Sara? If, as you said on another article, you did it for the satisfaction of helping your constiuents, why don't you take a reduction in allowances like Jeannette Aron in Watford? You could even go further, do it for free and get real job satisfaction or donate all the money to charity?[/p][/quote]It could be a diversion to draw attention from the amount of gravy train ridding Phil Cox would do if elected. ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

10:10am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Su Murray wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g

ov.uk/ccm/content/le

gal-and-democratic/c

ouncillors-details/c

ouncillors-allowance

s-2012-2013.en
Su, here is your profile from the WO on why you are standing for councillor. Is that really your manifesto? What about parking. What is the greens policy on parking? I have asked you this several times, you have so far refused to answer. Several times.

Also, why are you not standing in your own area of Central? I notice the greens haven't even got a candidate for Central, so you could have, easily. Are you concerned the people where you live do not support you? If that's true, why should the people of Callowland vote for you?

Su Murray - Green Party candidate for Callowland - lives in Queens Road but formerly of Sandringham Road. Campaigning to strengthen licensing in St Albans Road, and across Watford to stop ASB, stop poor developments, replacing and fixing poor pathways.

You do know don't you Su, that pavements are not a local council issue? 33% of your policies are impossible for you to achieve as a councillor.

That is a County Council issue, like the roads, streetlights and the like.

Where is the proper, full, local green party manifesto for this election? Is there one? Will there be one? You can't just be standing on licensing and opposing poor developments, can you? Not if you want to be taken seriously.
[quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en[/p][/quote]Su, here is your profile from the WO on why you are standing for councillor. Is that really your manifesto? What about parking. What is the greens policy on parking? I have asked you this several times, you have so far refused to answer. Several times. Also, why are you not standing in your own area of Central? I notice the greens haven't even got a candidate for Central, so you could have, easily. Are you concerned the people where you live do not support you? If that's true, why should the people of Callowland vote for you? Su Murray - Green Party candidate for Callowland - lives in Queens Road but formerly of Sandringham Road. Campaigning to strengthen licensing in St Albans Road, and across Watford to stop ASB, stop poor developments, replacing and fixing poor pathways. You do know don't you Su, that pavements are not a local council issue? 33% of your policies are impossible for you to achieve as a councillor. That is a County Council issue, like the roads, streetlights and the like. Where is the proper, full, local green party manifesto for this election? Is there one? Will there be one? You can't just be standing on licensing and opposing poor developments, can you? Not if you want to be taken seriously. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

10:15am Sun 11 May 14

Watfordmum says...

Reading through these comments feels like I have walked into a school playground! I wasn't planning on voting UKIP anyway but seeing the constant finger pointing in these messages makes my heart sink. This town deserves a Mayor who is a professional and someone who can deal with the fact that not everyone will agree with them. This is embarrassing, you must have a lot of time on your hands.

I don't have any confidence in any of the candidates to be honest, but at least they aren't lowering themselves to arguing with people online all day.
Reading through these comments feels like I have walked into a school playground! I wasn't planning on voting UKIP anyway but seeing the constant finger pointing in these messages makes my heart sink. This town deserves a Mayor who is a professional and someone who can deal with the fact that not everyone will agree with them. This is embarrassing, you must have a lot of time on your hands. I don't have any confidence in any of the candidates to be honest, but at least they aren't lowering themselves to arguing with people online all day. Watfordmum
  • Score: 5

10:18am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Andy Wylie wrote:
As well as details of councillors allowances, details of WBC senior officers pay, by individual post, is also on the WBC website. The annual accounts section, in case anyone is interested.
The promise to curb council staff pay rises is really interesting, considering it is all nationally negotiated and the mayor & councillors don't have anything to do with it. Even the senior officers pay is done independently, with councillors oversight and has to be comparable with other similar posts elsewhere, unless you want to fork out on expensive equal pay claims.
P.s. I know for a fact that Iain Sharpe does not even read this site, let alone post on it. Most councillors don't - they just don't think it is worth their time. When I was on the council I always posted under my name but one of my colleagues didn't, as a wind up. Easy to spot his posts, he was wrongly outed as Iain Sharpe many, many times, much to our amusement! We enjoy the paranoia.
Could someone pass me a large pinch of salt?
[quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: As well as details of councillors allowances, details of WBC senior officers pay, by individual post, is also on the WBC website. The annual accounts section, in case anyone is interested. The promise to curb council staff pay rises is really interesting, considering it is all nationally negotiated and the mayor & councillors don't have anything to do with it. Even the senior officers pay is done independently, with councillors oversight and has to be comparable with other similar posts elsewhere, unless you want to fork out on expensive equal pay claims. P.s. I know for a fact that Iain Sharpe does not even read this site, let alone post on it. Most councillors don't - they just don't think it is worth their time. When I was on the council I always posted under my name but one of my colleagues didn't, as a wind up. Easy to spot his posts, he was wrongly outed as Iain Sharpe many, many times, much to our amusement! We enjoy the paranoia.[/p][/quote]Could someone pass me a large pinch of salt? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

10:33am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Nascot wrote:
Su Murray wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g


ov.uk/ccm/content/le


gal-and-democratic/c


ouncillors-details/c


ouncillors-allowance


s-2012-2013.en
Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.
Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns?

Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document?

UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en[/p][/quote]Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.[/p][/quote]Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns? Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document? UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

10:49am Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Nascot wrote:
Su Murray wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g



ov.uk/ccm/content/le



gal-and-democratic/c



ouncillors-details/c



ouncillors-allowance



s-2012-2013.en
Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.
Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns?

Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document?

UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it.
Just which bit of the sentence ' A copy of the current financial year's scheme is available at the related link or from the Customer Service Centre at the Town Hall' did you not understand?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en[/p][/quote]Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.[/p][/quote]Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns? Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document? UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it.[/p][/quote]Just which bit of the sentence ' A copy of the current financial year's scheme is available at the related link or from the Customer Service Centre at the Town Hall' did you not understand? Nascot
  • Score: 2

11:07am Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

@phil cox
& ukipers

I have scoured the council accounts and I think the problem is that they do not have a Phsycic employed to determin what piece of info you want and have it on the home page.

I do find your inabilty or unwillingness to access publicly available infomation staggering, that this also extends to the writings of UKIP candidates may explain your popularity in some polls.
@phil cox & ukipers I have scoured the council accounts and I think the problem is that they do not have a Phsycic employed to determin what piece of info you want and have it on the home page. I do find your inabilty or unwillingness to access publicly available infomation staggering, that this also extends to the writings of UKIP candidates may explain your popularity in some polls. ancientandageing
  • Score: 1

11:20am Sun 11 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population!
I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population! LocalBoy1
  • Score: 5

11:21am Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

ancientandageing wrote:
@phil cox
& ukipers

I have scoured the council accounts and I think the problem is that they do not have a Phsycic employed to determin what piece of info you want and have it on the home page.

I do find your inabilty or unwillingness to access publicly available infomation staggering, that this also extends to the writings of UKIP candidates may explain your popularity in some polls.
Phil Cox - I also suggest that you do research before you post. Extract below from the relevant legislation
The final publicity requirement in the regulations is that as soon as reasonably practicable after the end of a year to which a scheme relates, local authorities must make arrangements for the publication in their area of the total sum paid by it to each member in respect of basic, special responsibility, travelling and subsistence, co-optees' and dependants' carers' allowances.

For someone who, in earlier posts, has said that to save money on printing you would be looking to have all information on the website. Well, not only is it, but if you as an 'IT Consultant' couldn't find it then rather blows that idea out of the water.

By the way, it took me less than 30 seconds to find it!
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: @phil cox & ukipers I have scoured the council accounts and I think the problem is that they do not have a Phsycic employed to determin what piece of info you want and have it on the home page. I do find your inabilty or unwillingness to access publicly available infomation staggering, that this also extends to the writings of UKIP candidates may explain your popularity in some polls.[/p][/quote]Phil Cox - I also suggest that you do research before you post. Extract below from the relevant legislation The final publicity requirement in the regulations is that as soon as reasonably practicable after the end of a year to which a scheme relates, local authorities must make arrangements for the publication in their area of the total sum paid by it to each member in respect of basic, special responsibility, travelling and subsistence, co-optees' and dependants' carers' allowances. For someone who, in earlier posts, has said that to save money on printing you would be looking to have all information on the website. Well, not only is it, but if you as an 'IT Consultant' couldn't find it then rather blows that idea out of the water. By the way, it took me less than 30 seconds to find it! Nascot
  • Score: 0

11:31am Sun 11 May 14

Andy Wylie says...

The trouble is Phil, you've been found wanting. You obviously haven't done your homework, you make sweeping assumptions and when it comes to engaging with the argument you either run away or start getting stroppy when you have been corrected or shown where to look.
Engage with the argument. How are you going to cap Watford council staff pay awards when they are determined nationally?
The trouble is Phil, you've been found wanting. You obviously haven't done your homework, you make sweeping assumptions and when it comes to engaging with the argument you either run away or start getting stroppy when you have been corrected or shown where to look. Engage with the argument. How are you going to cap Watford council staff pay awards when they are determined nationally? Andy Wylie
  • Score: 5

11:36am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Nascot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Nascot wrote:
Su Murray wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g




ov.uk/ccm/content/le




gal-and-democratic/c




ouncillors-details/c




ouncillors-allowance




s-2012-2013.en
Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.
Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns?

Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document?

UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it.
Just which bit of the sentence ' A copy of the current financial year's scheme is available at the related link or from the Customer Service Centre at the Town Hall' did you not understand?
I haven't seen that. Where is it?

It begs the question, why not keep all the information in one place, easy to find.

I can find some details until 2012/13. Is it too much to ask that 2013/14 and the current year be put where people might reasonably expect to find it? In the same place?
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en[/p][/quote]Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.[/p][/quote]Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns? Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document? UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it.[/p][/quote]Just which bit of the sentence ' A copy of the current financial year's scheme is available at the related link or from the Customer Service Centre at the Town Hall' did you not understand?[/p][/quote]I haven't seen that. Where is it? It begs the question, why not keep all the information in one place, easy to find. I can find some details until 2012/13. Is it too much to ask that 2013/14 and the current year be put where people might reasonably expect to find it? In the same place? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

11:45am Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Andy Wylie wrote:
The trouble is Phil, you've been found wanting. You obviously haven't done your homework, you make sweeping assumptions and when it comes to engaging with the argument you either run away or start getting stroppy when you have been corrected or shown where to look.
Engage with the argument. How are you going to cap Watford council staff pay awards when they are determined nationally?
Let's wait and see, once elected I will have all the facts at my fingertips as to exactly what my options are.

Forgive me if I take anything you say with a large pinch of salt, but it was you who told me the Daily Mail was telling porkies about the council making a million pounds profit from parking, and you who made an assertion about Cllr Dhindsa. The Labour party threatened me with a libel suit for repeating what your comment which they assured me was a lie.

Who knows, you may be telling the whole truth or some part of it this time, but I would prefer to find out what my options are once elected rather than rely on the words of someone whose previous comments have proven to be unreliable.

The people of Watford will decide what sort of Mayor they want. A great many people have told me "Anyone but Dorothy". I can only agree with them.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: The trouble is Phil, you've been found wanting. You obviously haven't done your homework, you make sweeping assumptions and when it comes to engaging with the argument you either run away or start getting stroppy when you have been corrected or shown where to look. Engage with the argument. How are you going to cap Watford council staff pay awards when they are determined nationally?[/p][/quote]Let's wait and see, once elected I will have all the facts at my fingertips as to exactly what my options are. Forgive me if I take anything you say with a large pinch of salt, but it was you who told me the Daily Mail was telling porkies about the council making a million pounds profit from parking, and you who made an assertion about Cllr Dhindsa. The Labour party threatened me with a libel suit for repeating what your comment which they assured me was a lie. Who knows, you may be telling the whole truth or some part of it this time, but I would prefer to find out what my options are once elected rather than rely on the words of someone whose previous comments have proven to be unreliable. The people of Watford will decide what sort of Mayor they want. A great many people have told me "Anyone but Dorothy". I can only agree with them. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

11:49am Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population!
GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population![/p][/quote]GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

11:50am Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Nascot wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Nascot wrote:
Su Murray wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.

If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford.

Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease.

What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed?

For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.
Evening Phil,

I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc.

http://www.watford.g





ov.uk/ccm/content/le





gal-and-democratic/c





ouncillors-details/c





ouncillors-allowance





s-2012-2013.en
Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.
Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns?

Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document?

UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it.
Just which bit of the sentence ' A copy of the current financial year's scheme is available at the related link or from the Customer Service Centre at the Town Hall' did you not understand?
I haven't seen that. Where is it?

It begs the question, why not keep all the information in one place, easy to find.

I can find some details until 2012/13. Is it too much to ask that 2013/14 and the current year be put where people might reasonably expect to find it? In the same place?
Is it too much to ask that 2013/14 and the current year be put where people might reasonably expect to find it? In

So you are you expecting the 2014 - 2015 figures to be published just over a month into the current tax year? Not sure WBC have a crystal ball department, but presumably you would create one. At no extra cost to the tax payer of course
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. Did you hear about that Labour councillor somewhere like Beverley who manged to claim the maximum amount of mileage by saying he drove around his ward every weekend. I suspect that if we manage to get these figures out, clearly, in the public domain, that these sort of systemic abuses would cease. What are your thoughts Sara, as one who has been in receipt of pay and expenses? Do you think that would be a good idea? A web page perhaps of councillor pay and expenses, updated regularly, with details of expenses claimed? For me, the more open a council is, the more honesty it will encourage. I don't see any other parties wanting to make the council more open. It makes you wonder why not.[/p][/quote]Evening Phil, I find it really worrying that you aspire to be the mayor of Watford, and yet you seem incapable of finding easily accessible public information. Try looking on the council website. It gives details of councillors allowances, gifts, etc. http://www.watford.g ov.uk/ccm/content/le gal-and-democratic/c ouncillors-details/c ouncillors-allowance s-2012-2013.en[/p][/quote]Indeed worrying. As an IT Consultant you would at least expect him to navigate a website.[/p][/quote]Where is the current information? This tax year and last tax year, not the stuff from a year and a bit ago? Where is the detail? Why should people go through the council accounts to find out how much the Chief Exec earns? Why not just put it in an easy to reach place, in clear format? Why have to search for it through a long document? UKIP will bring the clarity and openness that is sadly lacking in the council today. I am more concerned about why the LibDems and others are so against this principle of openness and are attacking UKIP for wanting to do it.[/p][/quote]Just which bit of the sentence ' A copy of the current financial year's scheme is available at the related link or from the Customer Service Centre at the Town Hall' did you not understand?[/p][/quote]I haven't seen that. Where is it? It begs the question, why not keep all the information in one place, easy to find. I can find some details until 2012/13. Is it too much to ask that 2013/14 and the current year be put where people might reasonably expect to find it? In the same place?[/p][/quote]Is it too much to ask that 2013/14 and the current year be put where people might reasonably expect to find it? In So you are you expecting the 2014 - 2015 figures to be published just over a month into the current tax year? Not sure WBC have a crystal ball department, but presumably you would create one. At no extra cost to the tax payer of course Nascot
  • Score: 5

11:55am Sun 11 May 14

Sara says...

Su Murray wrote:
Sara wrote:
So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.
Sara,

I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here.

That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)
I have two ways of knowing that Iain doesn't post here. Firstly he has a particular, precise way of writing, which is very hard to disguise. Secondly, Iain is an honest person, who gas told me on a number of occasions that he does not post here.

I am sure if it came to it the Watford Observer could use their logging of IP addresses to identify posters.
[quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.[/p][/quote]Sara, I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here. That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)[/p][/quote]I have two ways of knowing that Iain doesn't post here. Firstly he has a particular, precise way of writing, which is very hard to disguise. Secondly, Iain is an honest person, who gas told me on a number of occasions that he does not post here. I am sure if it came to it the Watford Observer could use their logging of IP addresses to identify posters. Sara
  • Score: 3

12:04pm Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor.
Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms

Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes
A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor. Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes Nascot
  • Score: 3

12:05pm Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Su Murray wrote:
Sara wrote:
So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.
Sara,

I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here.

That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)
I have two ways of knowing that Iain doesn't post here. Firstly he has a particular, precise way of writing, which is very hard to disguise. Secondly, Iain is an honest person, who gas told me on a number of occasions that he does not post here.

I am sure if it came to it the Watford Observer could use their logging of IP addresses to identify posters.
Meanwhile, back in the real world....

Sara, would you join me in condemning ANY ELECTED POLITICIAN who posts under an assumed name on local media sites?

It's a question you have avoided answering several times now.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.[/p][/quote]Sara, I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here. That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)[/p][/quote]I have two ways of knowing that Iain doesn't post here. Firstly he has a particular, precise way of writing, which is very hard to disguise. Secondly, Iain is an honest person, who gas told me on a number of occasions that he does not post here. I am sure if it came to it the Watford Observer could use their logging of IP addresses to identify posters.[/p][/quote]Meanwhile, back in the real world.... Sara, would you join me in condemning ANY ELECTED POLITICIAN who posts under an assumed name on local media sites? It's a question you have avoided answering several times now. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

12:08pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Sara wrote:
Su Murray wrote:
Sara wrote:
So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.
Sara,

I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here.

That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)
I have two ways of knowing that Iain doesn't post here. Firstly he has a particular, precise way of writing, which is very hard to disguise. Secondly, Iain is an honest person, who gas told me on a number of occasions that he does not post here.

I am sure if it came to it the Watford Observer could use their logging of IP addresses to identify posters.
Personally I fail to see what all the fuss is about if a cllr posts on here anon, what is the problem, surly they have a right to a private life in which they persue their own interests in accordance with the terms and conditions of the site owners.
I think the proposal is totaly bonkers, unworkable and an infringment on peoples right to a private life
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: So no one on here is willing to say which Councillors they believe are posting under which pseudonyms. A number of people are happy to smear others and attribute words to them. I find that cowardly.[/p][/quote]Sara, I have no idea if any Councillors are posting under pseudonyms. Nor have I made that accusation. I find the idea that any objections to a statement must come from a councillor a bit odd actually. If a councillor is doing their job properly, they won't have much time to spend on here. That said, I also find it curious that you stated that you knew for sure that Iain Sharpe (amongst others) never posts on here. How do you know? It's not possible to prove either way. Unless you work for GCHQ that is. ;-)[/p][/quote]I have two ways of knowing that Iain doesn't post here. Firstly he has a particular, precise way of writing, which is very hard to disguise. Secondly, Iain is an honest person, who gas told me on a number of occasions that he does not post here. I am sure if it came to it the Watford Observer could use their logging of IP addresses to identify posters.[/p][/quote]Personally I fail to see what all the fuss is about if a cllr posts on here anon, what is the problem, surly they have a right to a private life in which they persue their own interests in accordance with the terms and conditions of the site owners. I think the proposal is totaly bonkers, unworkable and an infringment on peoples right to a private life ancientandageing
  • Score: 4

12:15pm Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

Nascot wrote:
A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor.
Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms

Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes
To quote Phil Cox
It's a question you have avoided answering several times now.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor. Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes[/p][/quote]To quote Phil Cox It's a question you have avoided answering several times now. Nascot
  • Score: 2

12:28pm Sun 11 May 14

phil mitchel says...

'A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor.
Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms

Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes'

I'm still waiting for Trebleywebley to say he isn't Ian Sharpe.
'A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor. Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes' I'm still waiting for Trebleywebley to say he isn't Ian Sharpe. phil mitchel
  • Score: -2

12:32pm Sun 11 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

ancientandageing wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population!
GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing
So "ancientandageing" is female, might have guessed as much!
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population![/p][/quote]GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing[/p][/quote]So "ancientandageing" is female, might have guessed as much! LocalBoy1
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

phil mitchel wrote:
'A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor.
Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms

Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes'

I'm still waiting for Trebleywebley to say he isn't Ian Sharpe.
This is what you get with this policy a bunch of people hounding posters about their identity,

I don't care if Ian Sharpe is posting anon or not I do however detest the use of this accusation to slur cllrs and more importantly to attack posters with a different view to UKIP

Do we really want these people involved with our council???
[quote][p][bold]phil mitchel[/bold] wrote: 'A simple yes/no question to Phil Cox. Time for honesty from our prospective Mayor. Were you MarsLander &/or RegEdit posting under pseudonyms Hmmm. Still no reply, which speaks volumes' I'm still waiting for Trebleywebley to say he isn't Ian Sharpe.[/p][/quote]This is what you get with this policy a bunch of people hounding posters about their identity, I don't care if Ian Sharpe is posting anon or not I do however detest the use of this accusation to slur cllrs and more importantly to attack posters with a different view to UKIP Do we really want these people involved with our council??? ancientandageing
  • Score: 3

12:38pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population!
GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing
So "ancientandagei
ng" is female, might have guessed as much!
oh possum
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population![/p][/quote]GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing[/p][/quote]So "ancientandagei ng" is female, might have guessed as much![/p][/quote]oh possum ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

12:53pm Sun 11 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

ancientandageing wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population!
GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing
So "ancientandagei

ng" is female, might have guessed as much!
oh possum
Going to say Cheerio now, especially to you Princess and uncheck the box at the bottom. Nothing remotely worth reading on here except constant muck slinging, not even a decent debate. Bye....
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: I have come to the conclusion that even if GOD himself came down and offered to run WBC, you lot on here would still criticise, whinge and whine! Thank goodness you on here only represent a tiny proportion of the Watford population![/p][/quote]GOD if (s)he/inon gender exists is meant to be allseeing[/p][/quote]So "ancientandagei ng" is female, might have guessed as much![/p][/quote]oh possum[/p][/quote]Going to say Cheerio now, especially to you Princess and uncheck the box at the bottom. Nothing remotely worth reading on here except constant muck slinging, not even a decent debate. Bye.... LocalBoy1
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Sun 11 May 14

WatfordAlex says...

Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'.
I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for.

That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible!
Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'. I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for. That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible! WatfordAlex
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Sun 11 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Cox says: 'By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up.
If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. '

For someone who's standing for election as Mayor his ignorance of simple facts around council transparency is staggering. All anyone has to do is fire up the Watford.Gov.uk website, click on the Councillors pages, and there you will find all of the payments made to all of the councillors over the past several years including all allowances and expenses.

Cox promises 'more transparency' in Council, but simply doesn't know that the council is already very transparent. Every meeting of every committee is reported on the website already. For someone who professes to be an IT professional his ignorance is remarkable.
Cox says: 'By the way, whilst we are talking about Councillors being more honest, are you able to tell us yet how much you earn per year from your roles as a councillor on various bodies and councils, and your expenses claimed? Or at least tell me where I can look it up. If I am elected, I will make sure this information is published on the website for each and every councillor in Watford. ' For someone who's standing for election as Mayor his ignorance of simple facts around council transparency is staggering. All anyone has to do is fire up the Watford.Gov.uk website, click on the Councillors pages, and there you will find all of the payments made to all of the councillors over the past several years including all allowances and expenses. Cox promises 'more transparency' in Council, but simply doesn't know that the council is already very transparent. Every meeting of every committee is reported on the website already. For someone who professes to be an IT professional his ignorance is remarkable. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 1

2:22pm Sun 11 May 14

Andy Wylie says...

I really am not fussed if anyone posts under a pseud as, if it is a local politician, they invariably write as they speak, which usually identifies them quite quickly. They have the legal right to do and I don't see why that should be curtailed.
It is the assertion by Internet warriors that they must be x because we are so important that it can only be x that replies to us that I find laughable. What if x finds the whole thing so boring that he can't be bothered to even read the site, let alone post on it?
I have tried here to engage on policy issues and it has got nowhere. I think most of the posters on here can guess why.
I really am not fussed if anyone posts under a pseud as, if it is a local politician, they invariably write as they speak, which usually identifies them quite quickly. They have the legal right to do and I don't see why that should be curtailed. It is the assertion by Internet warriors that they must be x because we are so important that it can only be x that replies to us that I find laughable. What if x finds the whole thing so boring that he can't be bothered to even read the site, let alone post on it? I have tried here to engage on policy issues and it has got nowhere. I think most of the posters on here can guess why. Andy Wylie
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Sun 11 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -1

3:19pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Now now
moving on to the next crackpot policy whats all this rubbish about "common purpose" and them having to sign a special registor if they work in the council, very wierd , very David Icke, very sad
Now now moving on to the next crackpot policy whats all this rubbish about "common purpose" and them having to sign a special registor if they work in the council, very wierd , very David Icke, very sad ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

3:23pm Sun 11 May 14

D_Penn says...

Watfordmum wrote:
Reading through these comments feels like I have walked into a school playground! I wasn't planning on voting UKIP anyway but seeing the constant finger pointing in these messages makes my heart sink. This town deserves a Mayor who is a professional and someone who can deal with the fact that not everyone will agree with them. This is embarrassing, you must have a lot of time on your hands. I don't have any confidence in any of the candidates to be honest, but at least they aren't lowering themselves to arguing with people online all day.
As usual in politics, you can't win.

If you ignore people and don't get involved in debate, some complain that you are 'out of touch' and 'don't listen' to ordinary people.

Those of us that do come forward and openly and engage with people's comments then not only have to endure the lies, smears, slurs and insults thrown at us by those who don't want civilised debate, but also have to put up with comments like the one above from Watfordmum.

The result of these constant attacks is that very few people in politics stay involved in open debate and I believe that democracy is the poorer for it.

It is similar when you canvass door to door. Some will complain that you are disturbing them and wasting their time. If you don't canvass then you hear others say they won't vote for you becuase they never hear from you!

For better or worse though, I will keep posting my opinions on important items in Watford Observer and debate with those who disagree with me in a civilised and honest fashion. The public have the right to hear the opinions of those who would stand for office. Those who do not wish to know are not forced to read the comments.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordmum[/bold] wrote: Reading through these comments feels like I have walked into a school playground! I wasn't planning on voting UKIP anyway but seeing the constant finger pointing in these messages makes my heart sink. This town deserves a Mayor who is a professional and someone who can deal with the fact that not everyone will agree with them. This is embarrassing, you must have a lot of time on your hands. I don't have any confidence in any of the candidates to be honest, but at least they aren't lowering themselves to arguing with people online all day.[/p][/quote]As usual in politics, you can't win. If you ignore people and don't get involved in debate, some complain that you are 'out of touch' and 'don't listen' to ordinary people. Those of us that do come forward and openly and engage with people's comments then not only have to endure the lies, smears, slurs and insults thrown at us by those who don't want civilised debate, but also have to put up with comments like the one above from Watfordmum. The result of these constant attacks is that very few people in politics stay involved in open debate and I believe that democracy is the poorer for it. It is similar when you canvass door to door. Some will complain that you are disturbing them and wasting their time. If you don't canvass then you hear others say they won't vote for you becuase they never hear from you! For better or worse though, I will keep posting my opinions on important items in Watford Observer and debate with those who disagree with me in a civilised and honest fashion. The public have the right to hear the opinions of those who would stand for office. Those who do not wish to know are not forced to read the comments. D_Penn
  • Score: 3

3:28pm Sun 11 May 14

D_Penn says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Ghandi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Ghandi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." D_Penn
  • Score: 4

3:29pm Sun 11 May 14

D_Penn says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Gandhi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Gandhi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." D_Penn
  • Score: 2

4:11pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Gandhi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
but he was a great man
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Gandhi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."[/p][/quote]but he was a great man ancientandageing
  • Score: -3

4:20pm Sun 11 May 14

WatfordTed says...

ancientandageing wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Gandhi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
but he was a great man
Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Gandhi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."[/p][/quote]but he was a great man[/p][/quote]Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist. WatfordTed
  • Score: 1

4:24pm Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'.
I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for.

That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible!
What a load of tosh. Just what you would expect from LibDems.

Our policies are great, let's get UKIP elected, get rid of the tired and misleading LibDems and get a decent council in for once.

Vote UKIP and show the likes of WatfordAlex exactly what we think of his wild and baseless allegations.

WatfordAlex reminds me of Dorothy in the radio interview. If you say something enough times people will start to think it's true. WRONG! People will start to see how many lies you are telling.

Like I said, a complete load of tosh from WatfordAlex. We can expect no better form of debate from the failed LibDems. Just mud.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'. I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for. That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible![/p][/quote]What a load of tosh. Just what you would expect from LibDems. Our policies are great, let's get UKIP elected, get rid of the tired and misleading LibDems and get a decent council in for once. Vote UKIP and show the likes of WatfordAlex exactly what we think of his wild and baseless allegations. WatfordAlex reminds me of Dorothy in the radio interview. If you say something enough times people will start to think it's true. WRONG! People will start to see how many lies you are telling. Like I said, a complete load of tosh from WatfordAlex. We can expect no better form of debate from the failed LibDems. Just mud. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Nascot wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
@phil cox
& ukipers

I have scoured the council accounts and I think the problem is that they do not have a Phsycic employed to determin what piece of info you want and have it on the home page.

I do find your inabilty or unwillingness to access publicly available infomation staggering, that this also extends to the writings of UKIP candidates may explain your popularity in some polls.
Phil Cox - I also suggest that you do research before you post. Extract below from the relevant legislation
The final publicity requirement in the regulations is that as soon as reasonably practicable after the end of a year to which a scheme relates, local authorities must make arrangements for the publication in their area of the total sum paid by it to each member in respect of basic, special responsibility, travelling and subsistence, co-optees' and dependants' carers' allowances.

For someone who, in earlier posts, has said that to save money on printing you would be looking to have all information on the website. Well, not only is it, but if you as an 'IT Consultant' couldn't find it then rather blows that idea out of the water.

By the way, it took me less than 30 seconds to find it!
Other councillors may find it even faster.
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: @phil cox & ukipers I have scoured the council accounts and I think the problem is that they do not have a Phsycic employed to determin what piece of info you want and have it on the home page. I do find your inabilty or unwillingness to access publicly available infomation staggering, that this also extends to the writings of UKIP candidates may explain your popularity in some polls.[/p][/quote]Phil Cox - I also suggest that you do research before you post. Extract below from the relevant legislation The final publicity requirement in the regulations is that as soon as reasonably practicable after the end of a year to which a scheme relates, local authorities must make arrangements for the publication in their area of the total sum paid by it to each member in respect of basic, special responsibility, travelling and subsistence, co-optees' and dependants' carers' allowances. For someone who, in earlier posts, has said that to save money on printing you would be looking to have all information on the website. Well, not only is it, but if you as an 'IT Consultant' couldn't find it then rather blows that idea out of the water. By the way, it took me less than 30 seconds to find it![/p][/quote]Other councillors may find it even faster. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

4:29pm Sun 11 May 14

WatfordTed says...

I like the bit in the UKIP manifesto about cutting the pay of the bloated civil service workers and there gold plated wage packets and benefits.
I like the bit in the UKIP manifesto about cutting the pay of the bloated civil service workers and there gold plated wage packets and benefits. WatfordTed
  • Score: 5

4:31pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Gandhi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
but he was a great man
Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.
first time in my life I have ever heard Ghandhi called a terrorist!!!
[quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Gandhi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."[/p][/quote]but he was a great man[/p][/quote]Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.[/p][/quote]first time in my life I have ever heard Ghandhi called a terrorist!!! ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

4:58pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

@philcox
this conspiracy nonsense come on its rubbish next you will be saying that all the anti Islam editorials by Patrick O'flynn were done by left wing hacker

when the police feal Watfordteds collar I am confident you will find it is a sad individual not connected to any party
@philcox this conspiracy nonsense come on its rubbish next you will be saying that all the anti Islam editorials by Patrick O'flynn were done by left wing hacker when the police feal Watfordteds collar I am confident you will find it is a sad individual not connected to any party ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

4:59pm Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Gandhi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
but he was a great man
Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.
You can tell a lot from the style of posters on this site.

This reminds me a lot of when Dontknowynot, or was it Ancientandageing, when they set up a new account ukip_pal in order to smear us.

Unfortunately for her she accidentally replied to a post using the wrong account. It rather blew up in her face. Egg everywhere. That was the end of UKIP-PAL.

Proof is ever it was needed the other parties are out to smear us in whatever way they can.

Grow up. I have asked the WO to ban WatfordTed. It's so childish and dishonest to keep on doing this.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Gandhi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."[/p][/quote]but he was a great man[/p][/quote]Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.[/p][/quote]You can tell a lot from the style of posters on this site. This reminds me a lot of when Dontknowynot, or was it Ancientandageing, when they set up a new account ukip_pal in order to smear us. Unfortunately for her she accidentally replied to a post using the wrong account. It rather blew up in her face. Egg everywhere. That was the end of UKIP-PAL. Proof is ever it was needed the other parties are out to smear us in whatever way they can. Grow up. I have asked the WO to ban WatfordTed. It's so childish and dishonest to keep on doing this. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

5:11pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Gandhi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
but he was a great man
Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.
You can tell a lot from the style of posters on this site.

This reminds me a lot of when Dontknowynot, or was it Ancientandageing, when they set up a new account ukip_pal in order to smear us.

Unfortunately for her she accidentally replied to a post using the wrong account. It rather blew up in her face. Egg everywhere. That was the end of UKIP-PAL.

Proof is ever it was needed the other parties are out to smear us in whatever way they can.

Grow up. I have asked the WO to ban WatfordTed. It's so childish and dishonest to keep on doing this.
UKIP-PAL now that sounds like a laugh doesn't it a spoof if ever there was one, a joke. Get a grip possum

You really do seem to be seeing conspiracys everywhere

Cllrs out to get you
subversive agants from the other partys
alien Lizzards
Common Purpose
immigrants

good Gawd man see a doctor (unless you thnk he is in on it too)
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Gandhi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."[/p][/quote]but he was a great man[/p][/quote]Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.[/p][/quote]You can tell a lot from the style of posters on this site. This reminds me a lot of when Dontknowynot, or was it Ancientandageing, when they set up a new account ukip_pal in order to smear us. Unfortunately for her she accidentally replied to a post using the wrong account. It rather blew up in her face. Egg everywhere. That was the end of UKIP-PAL. Proof is ever it was needed the other parties are out to smear us in whatever way they can. Grow up. I have asked the WO to ban WatfordTed. It's so childish and dishonest to keep on doing this.[/p][/quote]UKIP-PAL now that sounds like a laugh doesn't it a spoof if ever there was one, a joke. Get a grip possum You really do seem to be seeing conspiracys everywhere Cllrs out to get you subversive agants from the other partys alien Lizzards Common Purpose immigrants good Gawd man see a doctor (unless you thnk he is in on it too) ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

5:21pm Sun 11 May 14

audentior01923 says...

Phil all this conspiracy and smear nonsense you keep on spouting is quite disturbing.

You and your UKIP friends seem to be losing your marbles. You really are a bunch of loony tunes !!!
Phil all this conspiracy and smear nonsense you keep on spouting is quite disturbing. You and your UKIP friends seem to be losing your marbles. You really are a bunch of loony tunes !!! audentior01923
  • Score: -1

5:24pm Sun 11 May 14

audentior01923 says...

You and your thoughts, and your manifesto, are starting to unravel like a cheap and nasty UKIP sweater........
You and your thoughts, and your manifesto, are starting to unravel like a cheap and nasty UKIP sweater........ audentior01923
  • Score: -2

5:25pm Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

Phil Cox said 'Other councillors may find it even faster'

By this you are insinuating I am a councillor.

As I have told you MANY times, I am not a WBC councillor. Neither am I a member of ANY political party. My only connection with Watford is that I have lived here for 29 years.

A challenge for you PC. if you pledge a £1,000 donation to The Peace Hospice I will reveal my true name and post under this in future. If I am as you are suggesting anything whatsoever connected to WBO or a political party , I will pay that pledge.

BTW. Our families know each other..
Phil Cox said 'Other councillors may find it even faster' By this you are insinuating I am a councillor. As I have told you MANY times, I am not a WBC councillor. Neither am I a member of ANY political party. My only connection with Watford is that I have lived here for 29 years. A challenge for you PC. if you pledge a £1,000 donation to The Peace Hospice I will reveal my true name and post under this in future. If I am as you are suggesting anything whatsoever connected to WBO or a political party , I will pay that pledge. BTW. Our families know each other.. Nascot
  • Score: -2

5:26pm Sun 11 May 14

audentior01923 says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you
We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us.

As Gandhi wisely observed...

"First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
but he was a great man
Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.
You can tell a lot from the style of posters on this site.

This reminds me a lot of when Dontknowynot, or was it Ancientandageing, when they set up a new account ukip_pal in order to smear us.

Unfortunately for her she accidentally replied to a post using the wrong account. It rather blew up in her face. Egg everywhere. That was the end of UKIP-PAL.

Proof is ever it was needed the other parties are out to smear us in whatever way they can.

Grow up. I have asked the WO to ban WatfordTed. It's so childish and dishonest to keep on doing this.
UKIP-PAL now that sounds like a laugh doesn't it a spoof if ever there was one, a joke. Get a grip possum

You really do seem to be seeing conspiracys everywhere

Cllrs out to get you
subversive agants from the other partys
alien Lizzards
Common Purpose
immigrants

good Gawd man see a doctor (unless you thnk he is in on it too)
Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me !
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: For all the UKIPpers out there, always adviseable to remember that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we're not out to get you[/p][/quote]We are not paranoid and we know you are out to get us. As Gandhi wisely observed... "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."[/p][/quote]but he was a great man[/p][/quote]Like mandela he was a terroist and anti British, Maggie Thatcher our greatest prime minister called mandela a terroist.[/p][/quote]You can tell a lot from the style of posters on this site. This reminds me a lot of when Dontknowynot, or was it Ancientandageing, when they set up a new account ukip_pal in order to smear us. Unfortunately for her she accidentally replied to a post using the wrong account. It rather blew up in her face. Egg everywhere. That was the end of UKIP-PAL. Proof is ever it was needed the other parties are out to smear us in whatever way they can. Grow up. I have asked the WO to ban WatfordTed. It's so childish and dishonest to keep on doing this.[/p][/quote]UKIP-PAL now that sounds like a laugh doesn't it a spoof if ever there was one, a joke. Get a grip possum You really do seem to be seeing conspiracys everywhere Cllrs out to get you subversive agants from the other partys alien Lizzards Common Purpose immigrants good Gawd man see a doctor (unless you thnk he is in on it too)[/p][/quote]Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me ! audentior01923
  • Score: 3

5:44pm Sun 11 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'.
I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for.

That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible!
I have not bullied anyone, let alone women posters.

I have asked a question of an elected councillor and I have asked a question of a candidate at this coming election.

If asking how much a councillor took from the state in allowances and expenses is bulling, then what sort of democracy do we live in?

If asking a candidate at the coming election what her policy is on parking and pointing out she will not have the power to fix pavements is bullying, then you and I have a different understanding of the word or you are being disingenuous.

If only other parties were as honest and open as UKIP. The world would be a better place.

Vote UKIP and we can show the LibLabCon exactly what we think of them and their tactics.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'. I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for. That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible![/p][/quote]I have not bullied anyone, let alone women posters. I have asked a question of an elected councillor and I have asked a question of a candidate at this coming election. If asking how much a councillor took from the state in allowances and expenses is bulling, then what sort of democracy do we live in? If asking a candidate at the coming election what her policy is on parking and pointing out she will not have the power to fix pavements is bullying, then you and I have a different understanding of the word or you are being disingenuous. If only other parties were as honest and open as UKIP. The world would be a better place. Vote UKIP and we can show the LibLabCon exactly what we think of them and their tactics. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

5:49pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'.
I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for.

That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible!
I have not bullied anyone, let alone women posters.

I have asked a question of an elected councillor and I have asked a question of a candidate at this coming election.

If asking how much a councillor took from the state in allowances and expenses is bulling, then what sort of democracy do we live in?

If asking a candidate at the coming election what her policy is on parking and pointing out she will not have the power to fix pavements is bullying, then you and I have a different understanding of the word or you are being disingenuous.

If only other parties were as honest and open as UKIP. The world would be a better place.

Vote UKIP and we can show the LibLabCon exactly what we think of them and their tactics.
but the cllr was a green cllr are they in on it too, have they all clubed together to hire a cyber spy to undermine you or something,oh oh oh I know maybe they are all part of "common Purpose" and secretly funded by the EU
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: Ultimately it does not matter one iota if 'Phil Mitchel' and 'Local Boy' are he same person, or if David Penn and Phil Cox are 'Mars Lander and 'Reg Edit'. I would say with 100% confidence that very few people read these comment threads and of the handful that do, most have long since made their minds up about who they are voting for. That Phil Cox comes out of these comment threads very badly is therefore largely irrelevant to his voting chances as so few floating voters will have read this. Word of advice though Phil: bullying the women posters and making lots of paranoid statements, while simultaneously ignoring any factual criticism of your policies and behaving like a shameless hypocrite does not make you look very credible![/p][/quote]I have not bullied anyone, let alone women posters. I have asked a question of an elected councillor and I have asked a question of a candidate at this coming election. If asking how much a councillor took from the state in allowances and expenses is bulling, then what sort of democracy do we live in? If asking a candidate at the coming election what her policy is on parking and pointing out she will not have the power to fix pavements is bullying, then you and I have a different understanding of the word or you are being disingenuous. If only other parties were as honest and open as UKIP. The world would be a better place. Vote UKIP and we can show the LibLabCon exactly what we think of them and their tactics.[/p][/quote]but the cllr was a green cllr are they in on it too, have they all clubed together to hire a cyber spy to undermine you or something,oh oh oh I know maybe they are all part of "common Purpose" and secretly funded by the EU ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

5:54pm Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

If only other parties had looked at the WBC website and seen that all the 'transparency' information was there.

Oh, but it was.....
If only other parties had looked at the WBC website and seen that all the 'transparency' information was there. Oh, but it was..... Nascot
  • Score: -1

6:11pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

looks like Phil cox has gone of to get the rest of his "peoples army" oh well thinkI will go clean behind the fridge
looks like Phil cox has gone of to get the rest of his "peoples army" oh well thinkI will go clean behind the fridge ancientandageing
  • Score: -3

6:15pm Sun 11 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

This thread gets better and better, first I read about UKIP booting out any of their political candidates who openly express the bigoted views which we all know are at the heart of the party, and now Cox wants to ban supporters like Watford Ted who believe in those bigoted views, and wants to show support for him on this website.
Face it Phil UKIP and your supporters are toxic. With friends like Watford Ted, who needs political enemies?
This thread gets better and better, first I read about UKIP booting out any of their political candidates who openly express the bigoted views which we all know are at the heart of the party, and now Cox wants to ban supporters like Watford Ted who believe in those bigoted views, and wants to show support for him on this website. Face it Phil UKIP and your supporters are toxic. With friends like Watford Ted, who needs political enemies? Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -1

6:19pm Sun 11 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Blimey, reading Phil's last few posts im starting to get a bit worried about his mental health, he appears rather paranoid and thinks every ones out to get him..

To be honest though he does seem to sit by his computer all day every day on this site waiting for an article to comment on, be it about the scouts new fundraiser or God forbid Mayor Thornhill having her photo on the site and there he is telling us about Ukip and how everyone is a secret councillor out to get him..

You are coming across as a bit of a paranoid sad act Phil..

Is he really the best Watford can get as Mayor?

I think the people of Watford need to
Blimey, reading Phil's last few posts im starting to get a bit worried about his mental health, he appears rather paranoid and thinks every ones out to get him.. To be honest though he does seem to sit by his computer all day every day on this site waiting for an article to comment on, be it about the scouts new fundraiser or God forbid Mayor Thornhill having her photo on the site and there he is telling us about Ukip and how everyone is a secret councillor out to get him.. You are coming across as a bit of a paranoid sad act Phil.. Is he really the best Watford can get as Mayor? I think the people of Watford need to ramage1996
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Sun 11 May 14

ramage1996 says...

I think the people of Watford need to have a think about what Phil has to offer, his manifesto isn't exactly full of ideas, and to be honest Phil you do not come across as the most charismatic of people..

So no ideas, a bit paranoid, not charismatic and come across as a bit of a chancer..

Why should we vote for you Phil?
I think the people of Watford need to have a think about what Phil has to offer, his manifesto isn't exactly full of ideas, and to be honest Phil you do not come across as the most charismatic of people.. So no ideas, a bit paranoid, not charismatic and come across as a bit of a chancer.. Why should we vote for you Phil? ramage1996
  • Score: -3

6:31pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Blimey, reading Phil's last few posts im starting to get a bit worried about his mental health, he appears rather paranoid and thinks every ones out to get him..

To be honest though he does seem to sit by his computer all day every day on this site waiting for an article to comment on, be it about the scouts new fundraiser or God forbid Mayor Thornhill having her photo on the site and there he is telling us about Ukip and how everyone is a secret councillor out to get him..

You are coming across as a bit of a paranoid sad act Phil..

Is he really the best Watford can get as Mayor?

I think the people of Watford need to
so can now everyone asume that the pro UKIP posters on here are all activists known personally to Mr Phil Cox, I mean he seems a bit paranoid.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Blimey, reading Phil's last few posts im starting to get a bit worried about his mental health, he appears rather paranoid and thinks every ones out to get him.. To be honest though he does seem to sit by his computer all day every day on this site waiting for an article to comment on, be it about the scouts new fundraiser or God forbid Mayor Thornhill having her photo on the site and there he is telling us about Ukip and how everyone is a secret councillor out to get him.. You are coming across as a bit of a paranoid sad act Phil.. Is he really the best Watford can get as Mayor? I think the people of Watford need to[/p][/quote]so can now everyone asume that the pro UKIP posters on here are all activists known personally to Mr Phil Cox, I mean he seems a bit paranoid. ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

6:36pm Sun 11 May 14

ramage1996 says...

ancientandageing wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
Blimey, reading Phil's last few posts im starting to get a bit worried about his mental health, he appears rather paranoid and thinks every ones out to get him..

To be honest though he does seem to sit by his computer all day every day on this site waiting for an article to comment on, be it about the scouts new fundraiser or God forbid Mayor Thornhill having her photo on the site and there he is telling us about Ukip and how everyone is a secret councillor out to get him..

You are coming across as a bit of a paranoid sad act Phil..

Is he really the best Watford can get as Mayor?

I think the people of Watford need to
so can now everyone asume that the pro UKIP posters on here are all activists known personally to Mr Phil Cox, I mean he seems a bit paranoid.
I think Watford Ted sums up what Ukip are trying to do, they are going for racist voters like him.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Blimey, reading Phil's last few posts im starting to get a bit worried about his mental health, he appears rather paranoid and thinks every ones out to get him.. To be honest though he does seem to sit by his computer all day every day on this site waiting for an article to comment on, be it about the scouts new fundraiser or God forbid Mayor Thornhill having her photo on the site and there he is telling us about Ukip and how everyone is a secret councillor out to get him.. You are coming across as a bit of a paranoid sad act Phil.. Is he really the best Watford can get as Mayor? I think the people of Watford need to[/p][/quote]so can now everyone asume that the pro UKIP posters on here are all activists known personally to Mr Phil Cox, I mean he seems a bit paranoid.[/p][/quote]I think Watford Ted sums up what Ukip are trying to do, they are going for racist voters like him. ramage1996
  • Score: -1

6:50pm Sun 11 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Good analysis on UKIP here:
http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/apr/29/10-good-reas
ons-not-vote-ukip-ni
gel-farage-europe
Good analysis on UKIP here: http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /apr/29/10-good-reas ons-not-vote-ukip-ni gel-farage-europe Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -1

6:56pm Sun 11 May 14

ramage1996 says...

These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections..
Roger Helmer who hates gays.

http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/2014/05/
06/ukip-newark-roger
-helmer_n_5275881.ht
ml

Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home.

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2520012/Send-home-In
-shocking-video-UKIP
-councillor-key-Fara
ge-ally-launches-ast
onishing-racist-rant
--tells-MoS-I-stand-
word.html


Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?
These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections.. Roger Helmer who hates gays. http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2520012/Send-home-In -shocking-video-UKIP -councillor-key-Fara ge-ally-launches-ast onishing-racist-rant --tells-MoS-I-stand- word.html Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor? ramage1996
  • Score: -1

7:05pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ramage1996 wrote:
These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections..
Roger Helmer who hates gays.

http://www.huffingto

npost.co.uk/2014/05/

06/ukip-newark-roger

-helmer_n_5275881.ht

ml

Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home.

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2520012/Send-home-In

-shocking-video-UKIP

-councillor-key-Fara

ge-ally-launches-ast

onishing-racist-rant

--tells-MoS-I-stand-

word.html


Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?
and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate
http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-
s-new-director-of-co
mmunications-patrick
-o-flynn-in-his-own-
words-3324

can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic???

no UKIP an answer is not required
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections.. Roger Helmer who hates gays. http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2520012/Send-home-In -shocking-video-UKIP -councillor-key-Fara ge-ally-launches-ast onishing-racist-rant --tells-MoS-I-stand- word.html Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?[/p][/quote]and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic??? no UKIP an answer is not required ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

7:22pm Sun 11 May 14

WatfordTed says...

You people slagging off UKIP you dont realise that 'racist' means nohing any more, you liberals dont get it people dont care being called racist anymore.

Vote UKIP to keep Britain British
You people slagging off UKIP you dont realise that 'racist' means nohing any more, you liberals dont get it people dont care being called racist anymore. Vote UKIP to keep Britain British WatfordTed
  • Score: 6

7:31pm Sun 11 May 14

Nascot says...

ancientandageing wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections..
Roger Helmer who hates gays.

http://www.huffingto


npost.co.uk/2014/05/


06/ukip-newark-roger


-helmer_n_5275881.ht


ml

Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home.

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2520012/Send-home-In


-shocking-video-UKIP


-councillor-key-Fara


ge-ally-launches-ast


onishing-racist-rant


--tells-MoS-I-stand-


word.html


Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?
and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate
http://www.hopenotha

te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-

s-new-director-of-co

mmunications-patrick

-o-flynn-in-his-own-

words-3324

can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic???

no UKIP an answer is not required
http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-
s-new-director-of-co
mmunications-patrick
-o-flynn-in-his-own-
words-3324

This man is coming to a ballot paper near you
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections.. Roger Helmer who hates gays. http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2520012/Send-home-In -shocking-video-UKIP -councillor-key-Fara ge-ally-launches-ast onishing-racist-rant --tells-MoS-I-stand- word.html Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?[/p][/quote]and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic??? no UKIP an answer is not required[/p][/quote]http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 This man is coming to a ballot paper near you Nascot
  • Score: -3

7:40pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Nascot wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections..
Roger Helmer who hates gays.

http://www.huffingto



npost.co.uk/2014/05/



06/ukip-newark-roger



-helmer_n_5275881.ht



ml

Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home.

http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/news/article-



2520012/Send-home-In



-shocking-video-UKIP



-councillor-key-Fara



ge-ally-launches-ast



onishing-racist-rant



--tells-MoS-I-stand-



word.html


Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?
and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate
http://www.hopenotha


te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-


s-new-director-of-co


mmunications-patrick


-o-flynn-in-his-own-


words-3324

can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic???

no UKIP an answer is not required
http://www.hopenotha

te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-

s-new-director-of-co

mmunications-patrick

-o-flynn-in-his-own-

words-3324

This man is coming to a ballot paper near you
yep and even David Penn unwittingly discribed him as "an unsavoury charector"
[quote][p][bold]Nascot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections.. Roger Helmer who hates gays. http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2520012/Send-home-In -shocking-video-UKIP -councillor-key-Fara ge-ally-launches-ast onishing-racist-rant --tells-MoS-I-stand- word.html Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?[/p][/quote]and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic??? no UKIP an answer is not required[/p][/quote]http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 This man is coming to a ballot paper near you[/p][/quote]yep and even David Penn unwittingly discribed him as "an unsavoury charector" ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

7:51pm Sun 11 May 14

WatfordTed says...

ancientandageing wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections..
Roger Helmer who hates gays.

http://www.huffingto


npost.co.uk/2014/05/


06/ukip-newark-roger


-helmer_n_5275881.ht


ml

Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home.

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2520012/Send-home-In


-shocking-video-UKIP


-councillor-key-Fara


ge-ally-launches-ast


onishing-racist-rant


--tells-MoS-I-stand-


word.html


Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?
and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate
http://www.hopenotha

te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-

s-new-director-of-co

mmunications-patrick

-o-flynn-in-his-own-

words-3324

can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic???

no UKIP an answer is not required
It was probably you who got my earlier posts deleted, it just proves that you liberals want to shut down the UKIP message.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections.. Roger Helmer who hates gays. http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2520012/Send-home-In -shocking-video-UKIP -councillor-key-Fara ge-ally-launches-ast onishing-racist-rant --tells-MoS-I-stand- word.html Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?[/p][/quote]and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic??? no UKIP an answer is not required[/p][/quote]It was probably you who got my earlier posts deleted, it just proves that you liberals want to shut down the UKIP message. Vote UKIP get UKIP WatfordTed
  • Score: 8

7:54pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections..
Roger Helmer who hates gays.

http://www.huffingto



npost.co.uk/2014/05/



06/ukip-newark-roger



-helmer_n_5275881.ht



ml

Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home.

http://www.dailymail



.co.uk/news/article-



2520012/Send-home-In



-shocking-video-UKIP



-councillor-key-Fara



ge-ally-launches-ast



onishing-racist-rant



--tells-MoS-I-stand-



word.html


Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?
and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate
http://www.hopenotha


te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-


s-new-director-of-co


mmunications-patrick


-o-flynn-in-his-own-


words-3324

can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic???

no UKIP an answer is not required
It was probably you who got my earlier posts deleted, it just proves that you liberals want to shut down the UKIP message.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
according to @Phil Cox it was him so you might want to take it up with him
[quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections.. Roger Helmer who hates gays. http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2520012/Send-home-In -shocking-video-UKIP -councillor-key-Fara ge-ally-launches-ast onishing-racist-rant --tells-MoS-I-stand- word.html Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?[/p][/quote]and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic??? no UKIP an answer is not required[/p][/quote]It was probably you who got my earlier posts deleted, it just proves that you liberals want to shut down the UKIP message. Vote UKIP get UKIP[/p][/quote]according to @Phil Cox it was him so you might want to take it up with him ancientandageing
  • Score: -6

8:01pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections..
Roger Helmer who hates gays.

http://www.huffingto




npost.co.uk/2014/05/




06/ukip-newark-roger




-helmer_n_5275881.ht




ml

Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home.

http://www.dailymail




.co.uk/news/article-




2520012/Send-home-In




-shocking-video-UKIP




-councillor-key-Fara




ge-ally-launches-ast




onishing-racist-rant




--tells-MoS-I-stand-




word.html


Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?
and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate
http://www.hopenotha



te.org.uk/ukip/ukip-



s-new-director-of-co



mmunications-patrick



-o-flynn-in-his-own-



words-3324

can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic???

no UKIP an answer is not required
It was probably you who got my earlier posts deleted, it just proves that you liberals want to shut down the UKIP message.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
according to @Phil Cox it was him so you might want to take it up with him
that said I did report two of your posts and merly put in the box "racist" clearly the moderator agreed with me, now can you please toodle along elsewhere and let people get on with ridiculing UKIP
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: These are the types that Ukip have put up recently for elections.. Roger Helmer who hates gays. http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml Here's Victoria Ayling the racist Ukip candidate for Grimsby saying she would like to send all immigrants home. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2520012/Send-home-In -shocking-video-UKIP -councillor-key-Fara ge-ally-launches-ast onishing-racist-rant --tells-MoS-I-stand- word.html Do you want a nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford representing us as Mayor?[/p][/quote]and here is the UKIP MEP no1 list candidate http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ukip- s-new-director-of-co mmunications-patrick -o-flynn-in-his-own- words-3324 can there be any doubt this party is aslamaphobic??? no UKIP an answer is not required[/p][/quote]It was probably you who got my earlier posts deleted, it just proves that you liberals want to shut down the UKIP message. Vote UKIP get UKIP[/p][/quote]according to @Phil Cox it was him so you might want to take it up with him[/p][/quote]that said I did report two of your posts and merly put in the box "racist" clearly the moderator agreed with me, now can you please toodle along elsewhere and let people get on with ridiculing UKIP ancientandageing
  • Score: -6

8:06pm Sun 11 May 14

WatfordTed says...

ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist.

To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that.

Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter
ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter WatfordTed
  • Score: -1

8:12pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist.

To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that.

Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter
you make yourself quite clear, but UKIP say they have no place for you so please go away and let the good people of watford concentraite on UKIP's other bonkers policys
[quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter[/p][/quote]you make yourself quite clear, but UKIP say they have no place for you so please go away and let the good people of watford concentraite on UKIP's other bonkers policys ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

8:12pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist.

To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that.

Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter
you make yourself quite clear, but UKIP say they have no place for you so please go away and let the good people of watford concentraite on UKIP's other bonkers policys
[quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter[/p][/quote]you make yourself quite clear, but UKIP say they have no place for you so please go away and let the good people of watford concentraite on UKIP's other bonkers policys ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

8:58pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist.

To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that.

Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter
I see your fellow UKIPers are about
[quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter[/p][/quote]I see your fellow UKIPers are about ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

9:51pm Sun 11 May 14

D_Penn says...

@ancientandageing

You wrote:

"yep and even David Penn unwittingly discribed him as "an unsavoury charector"

You constantly lie and twist the truth to try to win. Typical of many hard left-wingers, you never seem to consider that if your view if the world was correct you could be honest in your postings.

As you are well aware, I have never described or even intimated that Patrick O'Flynn is an 'unsavoury character'. (Note, unlike your invented quote, I can spell correctly). However, to smear me, you repeatedly try to put words in my mouth that I never said. Shameful.
@ancientandageing You wrote: "yep and even David Penn unwittingly discribed him [Patrick O'Flynn] as "an unsavoury charector" You constantly lie and twist the truth to try to win. Typical of many hard left-wingers, you never seem to consider that if your view if the world was correct you could be honest in your postings. As you are well aware, I have never described or even intimated that Patrick O'Flynn is an 'unsavoury character'. (Note, unlike your invented quote, I can spell correctly). However, to smear me, you repeatedly try to put words in my mouth that I never said. Shameful. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

10:01pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
@ancientandageing

You wrote:

"yep and even David Penn unwittingly discribed him as "an unsavoury charector"

You constantly lie and twist the truth to try to win. Typical of many hard left-wingers, you never seem to consider that if your view if the world was correct you could be honest in your postings.

As you are well aware, I have never described or even intimated that Patrick O'Flynn is an 'unsavoury character'. (Note, unlike your invented quote, I can spell correctly). However, to smear me, you repeatedly try to put words in my mouth that I never said. Shameful.
http://www.watfordob
server.co.uk/news/11
186054.Watford_mayor
_refuses_to_be__bull
ied__into_ruling_out
_2015_Westminster_bi
d/

7:15pm Sat 3 May 14

looks like it to me,

Clearly when you wrote "On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP"

you were reffering to the person I reffered to as that person is demonstrably Patrick O'fltnn MEP candidate you did unwittingly call him such.

Now don't worry about it old boy no one expects you to have any wits you are after all a UKIP candidate
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: @ancientandageing You wrote: "yep and even David Penn unwittingly discribed him [Patrick O'Flynn] as "an unsavoury charector" You constantly lie and twist the truth to try to win. Typical of many hard left-wingers, you never seem to consider that if your view if the world was correct you could be honest in your postings. As you are well aware, I have never described or even intimated that Patrick O'Flynn is an 'unsavoury character'. (Note, unlike your invented quote, I can spell correctly). However, to smear me, you repeatedly try to put words in my mouth that I never said. Shameful.[/p][/quote]http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/11 186054.Watford_mayor _refuses_to_be__bull ied__into_ruling_out _2015_Westminster_bi d/ 7:15pm Sat 3 May 14 looks like it to me, Clearly when you wrote "On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP" you were reffering to the person I reffered to as that person is demonstrably Patrick O'fltnn MEP candidate you did unwittingly call him such. Now don't worry about it old boy no one expects you to have any wits you are after all a UKIP candidate ancientandageing
  • Score: 2

10:44pm Sun 11 May 14

ancientandageing says...

@d_penn
all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual"

big deal

you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor

Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her
@d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her ancientandageing
  • Score: -2

10:58pm Sun 11 May 14

Sara says...

Thanks for the concern, but I'm not feeling bullied in the slightest. I also don't feel like being Phil's unpaid researcher, especially when the information is already publicly available. And for the record, I don't think anyone should post here under a pseudonym, but I think it should be the same rule for everyone.
Thanks for the concern, but I'm not feeling bullied in the slightest. I also don't feel like being Phil's unpaid researcher, especially when the information is already publicly available. And for the record, I don't think anyone should post here under a pseudonym, but I think it should be the same rule for everyone. Sara
  • Score: -3

11:28pm Sun 11 May 14

D_Penn says...

ancientandageing wrote:
@d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her
Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth.

You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of.

Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts.

Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: @d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her[/p][/quote]Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth. You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of. Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts. Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

11:34pm Sun 11 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Having read this article and comments and many other articles and comment sections on the WO website, I feel that if Phil Cox is the best Watford can do for Mayor then we are in a very sad state of affairs..

His manifesto is so bereft of ideas its embarrassing, you would think that a man that wanted ot run for office would have some ideas and ideals other than cut pay for council workers and have 'common sense'..
Having read this article and comments and many other articles and comment sections on the WO website, I feel that if Phil Cox is the best Watford can do for Mayor then we are in a very sad state of affairs.. His manifesto is so bereft of ideas its embarrassing, you would think that a man that wanted ot run for office would have some ideas and ideals other than cut pay for council workers and have 'common sense'.. ramage1996
  • Score: -2

11:42pm Sun 11 May 14

ramage1996 says...

D_Penn wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
@d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her
Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth.

You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of.

Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts.

Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil.
Will you come on here after he election?

Will you go down as the worst 'election agent' in history?

Will your policy of posting on every article on the WO backfire, only time will tell Mr Penn ;-)

I guess you have as much to win or gain as Mr Cox has, your strategy to take over every comment section on every article on this site was bold but could it have alienated people due to it being rather annoying?

Only time will tell Mr Penn
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: @d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her[/p][/quote]Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth. You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of. Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts. Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil.[/p][/quote]Will you come on here after he election? Will you go down as the worst 'election agent' in history? Will your policy of posting on every article on the WO backfire, only time will tell Mr Penn ;-) I guess you have as much to win or gain as Mr Cox has, your strategy to take over every comment section on every article on this site was bold but could it have alienated people due to it being rather annoying? Only time will tell Mr Penn ramage1996
  • Score: 0

12:08am Mon 12 May 14

D_Penn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Having read this article and comments and many other articles and comment sections on the WO website, I feel that if Phil Cox is the best Watford can do for Mayor then we are in a very sad state of affairs.. His manifesto is so bereft of ideas its embarrassing, you would think that a man that wanted ot run for office would have some ideas and ideals other than cut pay for council workers and have 'common sense'..
Oh come on. You are quite aware that the manifesto has vastly more in it than just the two items that you raise.

Your comment about a 'cut in pay for council workers' is an attempt to over-simplify in a politically motivated aim to try to make all council workers think that they would lose pay. You know, of course, that your generalised assertion is misleading, but you print it in the hope that those who do not read the manifesto will believe you.

As for the Office of Common Sense, I think it will be a big hit with those people who have at times encountered a wall of bureaucracy when trying to deal with the council.

Up and down the country, people are sick and tired of arrogant politicians who have their grinning pictures appear in the local rag, claiming to have masterminded some wonderful scheme or other, but when an individual tries to get something simple sorted, they quickly discover that there are a multitude of rules to be obeyed and obstructive policies to be navigated through.

That is not to blame the council workers who are often frustrated that they sometimes cannot follow common sense because of regulations, but it is not they who set the rules.

Like the rest of us, they would welcome the arrival of a department that has the power to cut through red tape and to override rules and policies where it is clear that they are ineffective or, in a particular case, plainly make no sense.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Having read this article and comments and many other articles and comment sections on the WO website, I feel that if Phil Cox is the best Watford can do for Mayor then we are in a very sad state of affairs.. His manifesto is so bereft of ideas its embarrassing, you would think that a man that wanted ot run for office would have some ideas and ideals other than cut pay for council workers and have 'common sense'..[/p][/quote]Oh come on. You are quite aware that the manifesto has vastly more in it than just the two items that you raise. Your comment about a 'cut in pay for council workers' is an attempt to over-simplify in a politically motivated aim to try to make all council workers think that they would lose pay. You know, of course, that your generalised assertion is misleading, but you print it in the hope that those who do not read the manifesto will believe you. As for the Office of Common Sense, I think it will be a big hit with those people who have at times encountered a wall of bureaucracy when trying to deal with the council. Up and down the country, people are sick and tired of arrogant politicians who have their grinning pictures appear in the local rag, claiming to have masterminded some wonderful scheme or other, but when an individual tries to get something simple sorted, they quickly discover that there are a multitude of rules to be obeyed and obstructive policies to be navigated through. That is not to blame the council workers who are often frustrated that they sometimes cannot follow common sense because of regulations, but it is not they who set the rules. Like the rest of us, they would welcome the arrival of a department that has the power to cut through red tape and to override rules and policies where it is clear that they are ineffective or, in a particular case, plainly make no sense. D_Penn
  • Score: 2

12:17am Mon 12 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Thanks for the concern, but I'm not feeling bullied in the slightest. I also don't feel like being Phil's unpaid researcher, especially when the information is already publicly available. And for the record, I don't think anyone should post here under a pseudonym, but I think it should be the same rule for everyone.
Good avoidance tactic. Dorothy would be proud of you.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Thanks for the concern, but I'm not feeling bullied in the slightest. I also don't feel like being Phil's unpaid researcher, especially when the information is already publicly available. And for the record, I don't think anyone should post here under a pseudonym, but I think it should be the same rule for everyone.[/p][/quote]Good avoidance tactic. Dorothy would be proud of you. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

12:31am Mon 12 May 14

D_Penn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
ancientandageing wrote: @d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her
Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth. You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of. Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts. Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil.
Will you come on here after he election? Will you go down as the worst 'election agent' in history? Will your policy of posting on every article on the WO backfire, only time will tell Mr Penn ;-) I guess you have as much to win or gain as Mr Cox has, your strategy to take over every comment section on every article on this site was bold but could it have alienated people due to it being rather annoying? Only time will tell Mr Penn
First, I would be very surprised to go down as the worst Election Agent in history as I am not the Election Agent - sorry :)

As for posting on the WO after the election, yes, I intend to continue posting and also to continue doing so under my own name.

Whether you believe it or not, my purpose in posting, as I have said many times, is so that people can see where I stand on events important to Watford. Will that alienate people? Yes, it might, you are quite right (although in truth, few people bother to read the comments sections of political articles).

However, one of my aims is to bring some honesty and principle back into politics. That means stating my beliefs whether it gains me votes or loses them.

People, including me a while back before getting involved, have been calling out for politicians to stop being devious, talk straight and say what they believe rather than consider the voting implications before taking a position.

That is what I am doing on here and, as you can see, by doing so I have to take a lot of attacks and, from some people, much of it nasty lies.

You don't see most politically active people posting on here because I suspect that they all have had to put up with the trolls and think it easier to not post or simply use a pseudonym. I believe that approach to be bad for democracy and I very much regret that my political opponents will not come out and debate openly with me.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: @d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her[/p][/quote]Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth. You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of. Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts. Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil.[/p][/quote]Will you come on here after he election? Will you go down as the worst 'election agent' in history? Will your policy of posting on every article on the WO backfire, only time will tell Mr Penn ;-) I guess you have as much to win or gain as Mr Cox has, your strategy to take over every comment section on every article on this site was bold but could it have alienated people due to it being rather annoying? Only time will tell Mr Penn[/p][/quote]First, I would be very surprised to go down as the worst Election Agent in history as I am not the Election Agent - sorry :) As for posting on the WO after the election, yes, I intend to continue posting and also to continue doing so under my own name. Whether you believe it or not, my purpose in posting, as I have said many times, is so that people can see where I stand on events important to Watford. Will that alienate people? Yes, it might, you are quite right (although in truth, few people bother to read the comments sections of political articles). However, one of my aims is to bring some honesty and principle back into politics. That means stating my beliefs whether it gains me votes or loses them. People, including me a while back before getting involved, have been calling out for politicians to stop being devious, talk straight and say what they believe rather than consider the voting implications before taking a position. That is what I am doing on here and, as you can see, by doing so I have to take a lot of attacks and, from some people, much of it nasty lies. You don't see most politically active people posting on here because I suspect that they all have had to put up with the trolls and think it easier to not post or simply use a pseudonym. I believe that approach to be bad for democracy and I very much regret that my political opponents will not come out and debate openly with me. D_Penn
  • Score: 5

12:40am Mon 12 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Mr Penn, I see you have changed your title on the Ukip website from

'election agent' to 'campaign manager'


Well done with your promotion, lets hope the strategy works x
Mr Penn, I see you have changed your title on the Ukip website from 'election agent' to 'campaign manager' Well done with your promotion, lets hope the strategy works x ramage1996
  • Score: -1

3:31am Mon 12 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
@d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her
Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth.

You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of.

Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts.

Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil.
Of course you made no reference to him directly not even you would be so stupid!!!

What you did was denounce the author of remarks as an "unsavoury Individual" now the FACT that that author was your own MEP candidate means that you denounced him as such.

That is why I say you did it witlessly, I do wonder at your denial when it is there for everyone to see, would that make you a witless wonder???
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: @d_penn all right you have me bang to rights I did not qoute you verbatumly correct, somehow I attributed a synomomous word for "Individual" big deal you discribed your own MEP candidate as an unsavoury individual, not as an unsavoury Charactor Also you have rumbled me as a bad speller which kind of shoots your thoery as to my identy out the water, now come on David Penn do you agree with Mr O'flyn or not, and what about the proud racist Watfordted (or whatever it is) do you agree with him/her[/p][/quote]Despite your insinuation, I have made no reference whatsoever to any of our MEP candidates - so yet again, despite your earlier grudging apology, still you try to twist and bend the truth. You are determined to slur any UKIP candidate by cherry-picking bits from out of a multitude of articles and then use them out of context. Worse, you then try to attribute comments you have invented about them to me. You are a perennial peddler of lies and deceit as everyone who has read your many posts is well aware of. Usefully though, by your constant attempts at deviousness, which is obvious to all, you reveal what nasty people hard left-wingers like yourself are, lacking either a shred of morality or the wit to argue based on true facts. Accordingly, I will continue to answer questions and debate with those who are honest and civil. In your case, please do not bother to keep asking me loaded questions because you have proven time and again that you are neither honest or civil.[/p][/quote]Of course you made no reference to him directly not even you would be so stupid!!! What you did was denounce the author of remarks as an "unsavoury Individual" now the FACT that that author was your own MEP candidate means that you denounced him as such. That is why I say you did it witlessly, I do wonder at your denial when it is there for everyone to see, would that make you a witless wonder??? ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

3:36am Mon 12 May 14

ancientandageing says...

WatfordTed wrote:
ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist.

To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that.

Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter
the real ukip message???
[quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter[/p][/quote]the real ukip message??? ancientandageing
  • Score: -1

9:23am Mon 12 May 14

garston tony says...

UKIP do seem to get a lot of stick, some of it it seems to be following the rather biased media coverage of this party. I'ts not my intention to defend UKIP here but just to point out that all parties have members/supporters that say or do or believe things that are sexist/racist etc but at the moment that only seems to be a problem if you happen to for UKIP.

Personally I wouldnt vote UKIP in a general election but, despite a number of clashes, I would actually consider voting for them in the Mayoral election as on the whole I like what Phil Cox is promising to do if elected. After all we know what the other parties have actually been like when in power, a new party with new people can hardly be worse.
UKIP do seem to get a lot of stick, some of it it seems to be following the rather biased media coverage of this party. I'ts not my intention to defend UKIP here but just to point out that all parties have members/supporters that say or do or believe things that are sexist/racist etc but at the moment that only seems to be a problem if you happen to for UKIP. Personally I wouldnt vote UKIP in a general election but, despite a number of clashes, I would actually consider voting for them in the Mayoral election as on the whole I like what Phil Cox is promising to do if elected. After all we know what the other parties have actually been like when in power, a new party with new people can hardly be worse. garston tony
  • Score: 11

9:34am Mon 12 May 14

ancientandageing says...

@ d_penn
As campaign manager you might want to explain why your party has no candidate in the Callowland By election, you might not thou.
As to the MEP elections do you stand by the following remarks of your MEP candidate Patrick O,Flynn, some of which you found to be made by “an unsavoury individual”
" How about the systematic electoral fraud that disfigures democracy in many of Britain’s new Asian ghettos? "
" If we allow the uncontrolled expansion of non-integrated British Islam the character of our nation will be destroyed forever. To inflict the Muslim call to prayer on everyone with a Mosque in their area will have but one result - more so-called "white flight" out of urban areas and the creation of more Islamic ghettos."
"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced
electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

Moving on to your other bonkers policy’s they really are poorly thought out, cllrs not being allowed to be anon on social media, having to registor if you are a member of a group UKIP don’t like or indeed the overlooked proposal for local referendum.
If 5% of electorate put in a petition within 3 months there will be a referendum, this really is poorly thought on 2 grounds.
1) It introduces an added expense
2) It is not as democratic as it seems
The first point is obvious, the second takes a bit more thought, that is whilst an interest group may muster the 5% needed for a vote on say the introduction of free cat litter it could be the case that only those people turned up to vote and that the rest of us got lumbered with the expense.
The answer is clearly to adopt the model used throughout many other countries, that is that the referendum is put before the people at the next election (in Watford we have elections every year).
Now you may argue that tough people should vote and yes that is not an argument without merit but it will not wash when people are lumbered with the bill for free cat litter. Nope you guys really need to think thro your policies more
@ d_penn As campaign manager you might want to explain why your party has no candidate in the Callowland By election, you might not thou. As to the MEP elections do you stand by the following remarks of your MEP candidate Patrick O,Flynn, some of which you found to be made by “an unsavoury individual” " How about the systematic electoral fraud that disfigures democracy in many of Britain’s new Asian ghettos? " " If we allow the uncontrolled expansion of non-integrated British Islam the character of our nation will be destroyed forever. To inflict the Muslim call to prayer on everyone with a Mosque in their area will have but one result - more so-called "white flight" out of urban areas and the creation of more Islamic ghettos." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." Moving on to your other bonkers policy’s they really are poorly thought out, cllrs not being allowed to be anon on social media, having to registor if you are a member of a group UKIP don’t like or indeed the overlooked proposal for local referendum. If 5% of electorate put in a petition within 3 months there will be a referendum, this really is poorly thought on 2 grounds. 1) It introduces an added expense 2) It is not as democratic as it seems The first point is obvious, the second takes a bit more thought, that is whilst an interest group may muster the 5% needed for a vote on say the introduction of free cat litter it could be the case that only those people turned up to vote and that the rest of us got lumbered with the expense. The answer is clearly to adopt the model used throughout many other countries, that is that the referendum is put before the people at the next election (in Watford we have elections every year). Now you may argue that tough people should vote and yes that is not an argument without merit but it will not wash when people are lumbered with the bill for free cat litter. Nope you guys really need to think thro your policies more ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

10:22am Mon 12 May 14

Sara says...

Those wanting a little light relief from this thread might want to visit http://metro.co.uk/2
014/05/10/gary-robin
son-ukip-stumped-why
-party-is-bottom-of-
alphabetical-ballot-
paper-4723642/ to see conspiracy theory at it's very best :)
Those wanting a little light relief from this thread might want to visit http://metro.co.uk/2 014/05/10/gary-robin son-ukip-stumped-why -party-is-bottom-of- alphabetical-ballot- paper-4723642/ to see conspiracy theory at it's very best :) Sara
  • Score: -4

10:34am Mon 12 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Sara wrote:
Those wanting a little light relief from this thread might want to visit http://metro.co.uk/2

014/05/10/gary-robin

son-ukip-stumped-why

-party-is-bottom-of-

alphabetical-ballot-

paper-4723642/ to see conspiracy theory at it's very best :)
very good

was just wondering on this local referendum idea wouldn't it also require legislation from westminster?

If so why put it in a local manifesto?
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Those wanting a little light relief from this thread might want to visit http://metro.co.uk/2 014/05/10/gary-robin son-ukip-stumped-why -party-is-bottom-of- alphabetical-ballot- paper-4723642/ to see conspiracy theory at it's very best :)[/p][/quote]very good was just wondering on this local referendum idea wouldn't it also require legislation from westminster? If so why put it in a local manifesto? ancientandageing
  • Score: -6

11:22am Mon 12 May 14

D_Penn says...

ancientandageing wrote:
WatfordTed wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter
the real ukip message???
Nope.

The point is that any party can only control who they have as members. They cannot prevent people from voting for them. So if a racist says they will vote for Labour there is nothing you can do to stop them even if you find their support distasteful.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter[/p][/quote]the real ukip message???[/p][/quote]Nope. The point is that any party can only control who they have as members. They cannot prevent people from voting for them. So if a racist says they will vote for Labour there is nothing you can do to stop them even if you find their support distasteful. D_Penn
  • Score: 5

11:45am Mon 12 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion.

After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle.

Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle.

I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford.

Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits.

On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done.

If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start.

All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics.

Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd.
Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion. After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle. Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle. I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford. Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits. On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done. If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start. All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics. Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

11:45am Mon 12 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
WatfordTed wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter
the real ukip message???
Nope.

The point is that any party can only control who they have as members. They cannot prevent people from voting for them. So if a racist says they will vote for Labour there is nothing you can do to stop them even if you find their support distasteful.
When your MEP candidate wrote ":-
" If we allow the uncontrolled expansion of non-integrated British Islam the character of our nation will be destroyed forever. To inflict the Muslim call to prayer on everyone with a Mosque in their area will have but one result - more so-called "white flight" out of urban areas and the creation of more Islamic ghettos."
and
"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced
electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

well I scratch my head and say to myself "Golly where did @watfordTed get the insane idea that as a racist UKIP was the party for him"
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordTed[/bold] wrote: ancientandageing, the UKIP message wont be shut down by liberals like you calling me racist. To be racist these days means nothing, UKIP wants Britain for British people, there is nothing wrong with that. Im proud to be racist and a UKIP voter[/p][/quote]the real ukip message???[/p][/quote]Nope. The point is that any party can only control who they have as members. They cannot prevent people from voting for them. So if a racist says they will vote for Labour there is nothing you can do to stop them even if you find their support distasteful.[/p][/quote]When your MEP candidate wrote ":- " If we allow the uncontrolled expansion of non-integrated British Islam the character of our nation will be destroyed forever. To inflict the Muslim call to prayer on everyone with a Mosque in their area will have but one result - more so-called "white flight" out of urban areas and the creation of more Islamic ghettos." and "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." well I scratch my head and say to myself "Golly where did @watfordTed get the insane idea that as a racist UKIP was the party for him" ancientandageing
  • Score: -7

11:52am Mon 12 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

There is no such thing as a racist UKIP, it is the very opposite of a racist party. and there is no such thing as WatfordTed, apart from in the sick imagination of someone on this thread.

Only a simpleton would fall for that old trick, and only a simpleton would make someone like that up, a sick in the head simpleton at that.

I just popped back to ensure my comment looked ok.

Goodbye troll.
There is no such thing as a racist UKIP, it is the very opposite of a racist party. and there is no such thing as WatfordTed, apart from in the sick imagination of someone on this thread. Only a simpleton would fall for that old trick, and only a simpleton would make someone like that up, a sick in the head simpleton at that. I just popped back to ensure my comment looked ok. Goodbye troll. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

11:56am Mon 12 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
There is no such thing as a racist UKIP, it is the very opposite of a racist party. and there is no such thing as WatfordTed, apart from in the sick imagination of someone on this thread.

Only a simpleton would fall for that old trick, and only a simpleton would make someone like that up, a sick in the head simpleton at that.

I just popped back to ensure my comment looked ok.

Goodbye troll.
is that goodbye
signed Troll


BTW have you got the postal vote sorted yet or were you to busy posting on here?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: There is no such thing as a racist UKIP, it is the very opposite of a racist party. and there is no such thing as WatfordTed, apart from in the sick imagination of someone on this thread. Only a simpleton would fall for that old trick, and only a simpleton would make someone like that up, a sick in the head simpleton at that. I just popped back to ensure my comment looked ok. Goodbye troll.[/p][/quote]is that goodbye signed Troll BTW have you got the postal vote sorted yet or were you to busy posting on here? ancientandageing
  • Score: -9

10:00pm Mon 12 May 14

WatfordAlex says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion.

After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle.

Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle.

I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford.

Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits.

On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done.

If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start.

All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics.

Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd.
For a prospective Mayor, your powers of delusion are chilling. Your entire manifesto has been taken apart as either being meaningless ('common sense'), puff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), irrelevant to borough councils (all the transport stuff), financially disastrous (expensive referendums and free parking), simply not possible (altering senior pay outside national pay negotiations) and not needed (greater transparency; the stuff is already there online but you're just too lazy to look it up).

On top of that your creepily paranoid responses to criticism are coupled with an inability to counter any of the points raised. And that's before you get onto the subject of UKIPs loony national membership, scandals and bonkers policies...
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion. After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle. Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle. I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford. Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits. On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done. If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start. All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics. Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd.[/p][/quote]For a prospective Mayor, your powers of delusion are chilling. Your entire manifesto has been taken apart as either being meaningless ('common sense'), puff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), irrelevant to borough councils (all the transport stuff), financially disastrous (expensive referendums and free parking), simply not possible (altering senior pay outside national pay negotiations) and not needed (greater transparency; the stuff is already there online but you're just too lazy to look it up). On top of that your creepily paranoid responses to criticism are coupled with an inability to counter any of the points raised. And that's before you get onto the subject of UKIPs loony national membership, scandals and bonkers policies... WatfordAlex
  • Score: -1

11:53am Tue 13 May 14

Andrew Turpie says...

Hmm do I vote for a party of loonies and fruitcakes, a party of illegal war participants and economy destroyers, a party of forcing disabled to work or a party who doesn't know if they are taking a dump or going for a haircut..

Decisions, decisions.....
Hmm do I vote for a party of loonies and fruitcakes, a party of illegal war participants and economy destroyers, a party of forcing disabled to work or a party who doesn't know if they are taking a dump or going for a haircut.. Decisions, decisions..... Andrew Turpie
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Tue 13 May 14

D_Penn says...

Andrew Turpie wrote:
Hmm do I vote for a party of loonies and fruitcakes, a party of illegal war participants and economy destroyers, a party of forcing disabled to work or a party who doesn't know if they are taking a dump or going for a haircut.. Decisions, decisions.....
Good question, but if it helps, I wouldn't vote for Labour if I were you.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew Turpie[/bold] wrote: Hmm do I vote for a party of loonies and fruitcakes, a party of illegal war participants and economy destroyers, a party of forcing disabled to work or a party who doesn't know if they are taking a dump or going for a haircut.. Decisions, decisions.....[/p][/quote]Good question, but if it helps, I wouldn't vote for Labour if I were you. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

12:41pm Tue 13 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion.

After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle.

Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle.

I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford.

Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits.

On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done.

If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start.

All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics.

Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd.
For a prospective Mayor, your powers of delusion are chilling. Your entire manifesto has been taken apart as either being meaningless ('common sense'), puff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), irrelevant to borough councils (all the transport stuff), financially disastrous (expensive referendums and free parking), simply not possible (altering senior pay outside national pay negotiations) and not needed (greater transparency; the stuff is already there online but you're just too lazy to look it up).

On top of that your creepily paranoid responses to criticism are coupled with an inability to counter any of the points raised. And that's before you get onto the subject of UKIPs loony national membership, scandals and bonkers policies...
More LibDem nonsense. How do they think people will still believe their made up stories? Nick Clegg was exposed as a serial liar on TV. Have they not learned anything from that? People respect honesty, not spin and lies. People want a good, honest politicians not someone who spins misinformation in the hope people are gullible enough to fall for it.

What more can we expect from the party of secrecy and misinformation?

The UKIP manifesto remains 100% intact and is full of good ideas, some radical. Have a read, it's worth it. The link is above in the main story.

No wonder the LibDems don't like it, it will remove the veil of secrecy and bring openness back to the council. Not an atmosphere they would feel comfortable in, particularly if it exposed all that they are trying to keep from the public.

If anyone has any questions on our manifesto, including how we can keep the costs of a referendum down, please feel free to come to our meeting tomorrow night (WEDNESDAY) at the Town and Country Club, you can ask any question you like, and unlike some other places and people, you will get an honest and straight answer.

Vote UKIP, it's the best on offer.

I recommend everyone to look at the candidates and their manifestos for the local elections and base their voting on that.

And please come along to the hustings. There is one on Monday at St Thomas's Church Hall, Langley Road, 8pm.

See the Mayoral candidates in action. See what they are made of and then decide who you want to vote for.

As for wasting money, we need only mention a few things like the Bridge over troubled waters and getting involved in matters outside the control of the local council Speed limits, or even fighting allotment holders through the courts, I am wondering whether Alex has got so muddled up in his misinformation that he is confusing UKIP with the actions of his own party.

Vote UKIP on May 22nd!

Let's bring some common sense back to politics in this town!
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion. After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle. Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle. I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford. Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits. On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done. If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start. All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics. Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd.[/p][/quote]For a prospective Mayor, your powers of delusion are chilling. Your entire manifesto has been taken apart as either being meaningless ('common sense'), puff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), irrelevant to borough councils (all the transport stuff), financially disastrous (expensive referendums and free parking), simply not possible (altering senior pay outside national pay negotiations) and not needed (greater transparency; the stuff is already there online but you're just too lazy to look it up). On top of that your creepily paranoid responses to criticism are coupled with an inability to counter any of the points raised. And that's before you get onto the subject of UKIPs loony national membership, scandals and bonkers policies...[/p][/quote]More LibDem nonsense. How do they think people will still believe their made up stories? Nick Clegg was exposed as a serial liar on TV. Have they not learned anything from that? People respect honesty, not spin and lies. People want a good, honest politicians not someone who spins misinformation in the hope people are gullible enough to fall for it. What more can we expect from the party of secrecy and misinformation? The UKIP manifesto remains 100% intact and is full of good ideas, some radical. Have a read, it's worth it. The link is above in the main story. No wonder the LibDems don't like it, it will remove the veil of secrecy and bring openness back to the council. Not an atmosphere they would feel comfortable in, particularly if it exposed all that they are trying to keep from the public. If anyone has any questions on our manifesto, including how we can keep the costs of a referendum down, please feel free to come to our meeting tomorrow night (WEDNESDAY) at the Town and Country Club, you can ask any question you like, and unlike some other places and people, you will get an honest and straight answer. Vote UKIP, it's the best on offer. I recommend everyone to look at the candidates and their manifestos for the local elections and base their voting on that. And please come along to the hustings. There is one on Monday at St Thomas's Church Hall, Langley Road, 8pm. See the Mayoral candidates in action. See what they are made of and then decide who you want to vote for. As for wasting money, we need only mention a few things like the Bridge over troubled waters and getting involved in matters outside the control of the local council Speed limits, or even fighting allotment holders through the courts, I am wondering whether Alex has got so muddled up in his misinformation that he is confusing UKIP with the actions of his own party. Vote UKIP on May 22nd! Let's bring some common sense back to politics in this town! Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

12:42pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour.
The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour.

As for the policys of UKIP Locally well they were summud up a couple of posts ago.As to Europe personally as a citizen of the UK it will be of great embarasment to me to have the likes of Patrick O'flynn and Agnew representing me in Europe as opposed to the likes of Hewwit .
I don't know much of the Con or Libdem candidates in the Euro elections and might not agree with them, but fail to see that they would be an embaresment to me personally.
The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour. The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour. As for the policys of UKIP Locally well they were summud up a couple of posts ago.As to Europe personally as a citizen of the UK it will be of great embarasment to me to have the likes of Patrick O'flynn and Agnew representing me in Europe as opposed to the likes of Hewwit . I don't know much of the Con or Libdem candidates in the Euro elections and might not agree with them, but fail to see that they would be an embaresment to me personally. ancientandageing
  • Score: -5

1:03pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion.

After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle.

Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle.

I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford.

Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits.

On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done.

If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start.

All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics.

Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd.
For a prospective Mayor, your powers of delusion are chilling. Your entire manifesto has been taken apart as either being meaningless ('common sense'), puff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), irrelevant to borough councils (all the transport stuff), financially disastrous (expensive referendums and free parking), simply not possible (altering senior pay outside national pay negotiations) and not needed (greater transparency; the stuff is already there online but you're just too lazy to look it up).

On top of that your creepily paranoid responses to criticism are coupled with an inability to counter any of the points raised. And that's before you get onto the subject of UKIPs loony national membership, scandals and bonkers policies...
indeed
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Here is my chance to wind this story up to a happy conclusion. After several days and 175 comments, there has not been one attack on our policies in principle. Some have said that some of a policy may already be in place, questioned the legality of the policy (can it be done), others have attacked me personally (playing the man instead of the ball) and some have come out with vague comments about nonsense, but none of the policies have been attacked for being wrong in principle. I think after several days and 175 comments, the policies in our manifesto are a success and all those who have read our manifesto will understand what sort of positive changes we are trying to make to Watford. Sadly someone has made up a character "WatfordTed" who is a cardboard cutout of what the other parties would like to portray UKIP as , but it is so transparent a dirty trick as to be sad and funny at the same time. Who was sad enough to do it I do not know, but the usual suspects posting on here are the most likely culprits. On that note, with no further sensible questions, I am leaving this post, job done. If anyone sensible is still reading and would like to find out more, please come to our meeting on Wednesday evening where I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience. Town and Country Club, Rosslyn Road, 7 for 7:30 start. All the best to our supporters, please remember to vote UKIP on May 22nd and help us cause, in our own little way, an earthquake in Watford politics. Word on the street is that people are voting UKIP in unprecedented numbers. Be part of history, vote UKIP on May 22nd.[/p][/quote]For a prospective Mayor, your powers of delusion are chilling. Your entire manifesto has been taken apart as either being meaningless ('common sense'), puff that all politicians say ('make more efficient'), irrelevant to borough councils (all the transport stuff), financially disastrous (expensive referendums and free parking), simply not possible (altering senior pay outside national pay negotiations) and not needed (greater transparency; the stuff is already there online but you're just too lazy to look it up). On top of that your creepily paranoid responses to criticism are coupled with an inability to counter any of the points raised. And that's before you get onto the subject of UKIPs loony national membership, scandals and bonkers policies...[/p][/quote]indeed ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

1:17pm Tue 13 May 14

D_Penn says...

@ancientandageing

You wrote:

"The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour.
The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour."

You are only trying to fool yourself into believeing this. Or perhaps to convince those who are gullible or with short memories that Labour could run the economy.

Let me remind you of the facts.

When Labout got into power, they did so by promising to stick to the Conservative spending plans. As a result, over the first four years, Labour managed to build up a surplus in the economy of 37 billion.

I.e.
1998 +0.7 bn
1999 +11.9 bn
2000 +16.7 bn
2001 +8.4 bn

Then Blair let loose the left wing economic geniuses - Brown and his backroom team including Milliband and Balls - to follow a typical socialist plan. Result? Have a look at the debt spiral our economy was driving into before the crash. Here are the amounts of money the UK was losing year on year up to 2008.

2002 -19 bn
2003 -34 bn
2004 -37 bn
2005 -41 bn
2006 -31 bn
2007 -34 bn
2008 -68 bn

That's a total debt of 264 billion pounds.

Then the crash happened. Over the next two years, government debt went up by an additional and staggering 300 billion pounds!! How much better off we would have been if instead of building up 264 billion pounds of debt, Brown had been prudent and had built up say, a 50 billion pound surplus. Then the ALL the horrendous losses of 2009/2010 would have been covered.

That, ancientandageing, may be an uncomfortable truth for a left-winger like yourself, but it is a fact. Labour failed disastrously by following Milliband and Balls economics and if allowed anywhere near the Treasury they will wreck the economy again.
@ancientandageing You wrote: "The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour. The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour." You are only trying to fool yourself into believeing this. Or perhaps to convince those who are gullible or with short memories that Labour could run the economy. Let me remind you of the facts. When Labout got into power, they did so by promising to stick to the Conservative spending plans. As a result, over the first four years, Labour managed to build up a surplus in the economy of 37 billion. I.e. 1998 +0.7 bn 1999 +11.9 bn 2000 +16.7 bn 2001 +8.4 bn Then Blair let loose the left wing economic geniuses - Brown and his backroom team including Milliband and Balls - to follow a typical socialist plan. Result? Have a look at the debt spiral our economy was driving into before the crash. Here are the amounts of money the UK was losing year on year up to 2008. 2002 -19 bn 2003 -34 bn 2004 -37 bn 2005 -41 bn 2006 -31 bn 2007 -34 bn 2008 -68 bn That's a total debt of 264 billion pounds. Then the crash happened. Over the next two years, government debt went up by an additional and staggering 300 billion pounds!! How much better off we would have been if instead of building up 264 billion pounds of debt, Brown had been prudent and had built up say, a 50 billion pound surplus. Then the ALL the horrendous losses of 2009/2010 would have been covered. That, ancientandageing, may be an uncomfortable truth for a left-winger like yourself, but it is a fact. Labour failed disastrously by following Milliband and Balls economics and if allowed anywhere near the Treasury they will wreck the economy again. D_Penn
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Tue 13 May 14

garston tony says...

ancientandageing wrote:
The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour. The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour. As for the policys of UKIP Locally well they were summud up a couple of posts ago.As to Europe personally as a citizen of the UK it will be of great embarasment to me to have the likes of Patrick O'flynn and Agnew representing me in Europe as opposed to the likes of Hewwit . I don't know much of the Con or Libdem candidates in the Euro elections and might not agree with them, but fail to see that they would be an embaresment to me personally.
Whilst there has indeed been a global crisis it was Labour who changed the rules to allow our banks to jump on the bandwagon that left them close to collapse when the US market went belly up.

It was also Labour that bloated the civil service etc but without making it any better meaning that it is too costly now. It was also Labour that allowed spending on welfare to shoot through the roof. Both of these things are a major factor into why we have a ma ha sive budget deficit and even more bigger national debt.

It was also Labour that was promising to spend a ton of money before losing the last election without actually knowing where the money was coming from.

And what was it the last labour chancellor wrote in the note when they lost the election? Something along the lines of 'good luck theres no money left' i believe.

In good times its fair enough if you want to enjoy the spoils, under Labour however even in the good times they were spending far more than they were getting back in taxes etc. What did they think was going to happen when the hard times innevitably came around? In the good times yes you enjoy the riches you have, its also the best time to make changes for the future, to plan for when the bad times arrive. Labour didnt do that and its left to this government to try and fire fight in the worst possible conditions
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour. The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour. As for the policys of UKIP Locally well they were summud up a couple of posts ago.As to Europe personally as a citizen of the UK it will be of great embarasment to me to have the likes of Patrick O'flynn and Agnew representing me in Europe as opposed to the likes of Hewwit . I don't know much of the Con or Libdem candidates in the Euro elections and might not agree with them, but fail to see that they would be an embaresment to me personally.[/p][/quote]Whilst there has indeed been a global crisis it was Labour who changed the rules to allow our banks to jump on the bandwagon that left them close to collapse when the US market went belly up. It was also Labour that bloated the civil service etc but without making it any better meaning that it is too costly now. It was also Labour that allowed spending on welfare to shoot through the roof. Both of these things are a major factor into why we have a ma ha sive budget deficit and even more bigger national debt. It was also Labour that was promising to spend a ton of money before losing the last election without actually knowing where the money was coming from. And what was it the last labour chancellor wrote in the note when they lost the election? Something along the lines of 'good luck theres no money left' i believe. In good times its fair enough if you want to enjoy the spoils, under Labour however even in the good times they were spending far more than they were getting back in taxes etc. What did they think was going to happen when the hard times innevitably came around? In the good times yes you enjoy the riches you have, its also the best time to make changes for the future, to plan for when the bad times arrive. Labour didnt do that and its left to this government to try and fire fight in the worst possible conditions garston tony
  • Score: 7

1:31pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-complaint
-prompts-police-to-q
uestion-blogger-9358
634.html

The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case.

You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate. ancientandageing
  • Score: -3

1:43pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

garston tony wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour. The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour. As for the policys of UKIP Locally well they were summud up a couple of posts ago.As to Europe personally as a citizen of the UK it will be of great embarasment to me to have the likes of Patrick O'flynn and Agnew representing me in Europe as opposed to the likes of Hewwit . I don't know much of the Con or Libdem candidates in the Euro elections and might not agree with them, but fail to see that they would be an embaresment to me personally.
Whilst there has indeed been a global crisis it was Labour who changed the rules to allow our banks to jump on the bandwagon that left them close to collapse when the US market went belly up.

It was also Labour that bloated the civil service etc but without making it any better meaning that it is too costly now. It was also Labour that allowed spending on welfare to shoot through the roof. Both of these things are a major factor into why we have a ma ha sive budget deficit and even more bigger national debt.

It was also Labour that was promising to spend a ton of money before losing the last election without actually knowing where the money was coming from.

And what was it the last labour chancellor wrote in the note when they lost the election? Something along the lines of 'good luck theres no money left' i believe.

In good times its fair enough if you want to enjoy the spoils, under Labour however even in the good times they were spending far more than they were getting back in taxes etc. What did they think was going to happen when the hard times innevitably came around? In the good times yes you enjoy the riches you have, its also the best time to make changes for the future, to plan for when the bad times arrive. Labour didnt do that and its left to this government to try and fire fight in the worst possible conditions
the note read
""Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam."

The word "left" was inserted by David Laws to make it seem worse, That would be the same David Laws that had to resign due to a problem with his expenses.
As for the deficit having got a surplus Labour then operated the economy within a moderate deficit that compared favourably to the previous Tory Gov.
With regard to financial markets and the way they operated could you please explain becouse as I recall the major liberalisation of the markets was a product of thatcherisem and such things as the big bang.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: The Irony often s that the two biggest criticesems of Lab are Iraq and wanting a return to New Labour. The crashing Economy is just plain rubbishit was a "global Crises" Immediatly predicated by the collapse of a US bank for which there is no causual link to Labour. As for the policys of UKIP Locally well they were summud up a couple of posts ago.As to Europe personally as a citizen of the UK it will be of great embarasment to me to have the likes of Patrick O'flynn and Agnew representing me in Europe as opposed to the likes of Hewwit . I don't know much of the Con or Libdem candidates in the Euro elections and might not agree with them, but fail to see that they would be an embaresment to me personally.[/p][/quote]Whilst there has indeed been a global crisis it was Labour who changed the rules to allow our banks to jump on the bandwagon that left them close to collapse when the US market went belly up. It was also Labour that bloated the civil service etc but without making it any better meaning that it is too costly now. It was also Labour that allowed spending on welfare to shoot through the roof. Both of these things are a major factor into why we have a ma ha sive budget deficit and even more bigger national debt. It was also Labour that was promising to spend a ton of money before losing the last election without actually knowing where the money was coming from. And what was it the last labour chancellor wrote in the note when they lost the election? Something along the lines of 'good luck theres no money left' i believe. In good times its fair enough if you want to enjoy the spoils, under Labour however even in the good times they were spending far more than they were getting back in taxes etc. What did they think was going to happen when the hard times innevitably came around? In the good times yes you enjoy the riches you have, its also the best time to make changes for the future, to plan for when the bad times arrive. Labour didnt do that and its left to this government to try and fire fight in the worst possible conditions[/p][/quote]the note read ""Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam." The word "left" was inserted by David Laws to make it seem worse, That would be the same David Laws that had to resign due to a problem with his expenses. As for the deficit having got a surplus Labour then operated the economy within a moderate deficit that compared favourably to the previous Tory Gov. With regard to financial markets and the way they operated could you please explain becouse as I recall the major liberalisation of the markets was a product of thatcherisem and such things as the big bang. ancientandageing
  • Score: -7

1:47pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol

itics/ukip-complaint

-prompts-police-to-q

uestion-blogger-9358

634.html

The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case.

You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.
and is this more UKIP Liberterian ???
http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/2014/05/
13/ukip-ask-sussex-p
olice-to-arrest-prot
estors_n_5314454.htm
l
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.[/p][/quote]and is this more UKIP Liberterian ??? http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 13/ukip-ask-sussex-p olice-to-arrest-prot estors_n_5314454.htm l ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

2:44pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/apr/29/10-good-reas
ons-not-vote-ukip-ni
gel-farage-europe

interesting article on UKIP
section one "its policys are bonkers"

"In the past few months Ukip has voted against updated rules on cab design and safety, which would make it easier for the drivers of lorries to spot pedestrians and cyclists."

I am a pedestrian sometimes and our son is a cyclist often, why on earth would anyone vote against better safety???
http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /apr/29/10-good-reas ons-not-vote-ukip-ni gel-farage-europe interesting article on UKIP section one "its policys are bonkers" "In the past few months Ukip has voted against updated rules on cab design and safety, which would make it easier for the drivers of lorries to spot pedestrians and cyclists." I am a pedestrian sometimes and our son is a cyclist often, why on earth would anyone vote against better safety??? ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

3:05pm Tue 13 May 14

D_Penn says...

ancientandageing wrote:
ancientandageing wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.
and is this more UKIP Liberterian ??? http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 13/ukip-ask-sussex-p olice-to-arrest-prot estors_n_5314454.htm l
You are really having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to look for mud. Desperate times for you and your Labour Party, I guess. Since you cannot win an argument on pure debate, you resort to searching for any arch left-wing media story you can find to smear UKIP.

Of course, the majority of people know the game you are playing; trying to find anything, anywhere, in the press to use as an attack and then claiming that the whole of UKIP is the same. It's nonsense of course.That would be like claiming the whole of Labour supports paedophilia simply because Deputy Leader Harriet Harman, as part of NCCL, did not support kicking out PIE even though she was aware at the time of what and who they are.

It raises questions about her individual judgment, but it would be ridiculous and wrong to extend the argument to call you and the Labour pary paedophile supporters. Yet that is exactly the tactic you keep trying to use all over the WO to damage UKIP. Shameful.

BTW, as I suggested earlier, did you ever type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google to look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up? I notice that you have tried to ignore it. As I have said before, maybe you should deal with the fruitcakes, racists and criminals in Labour first before you start pointing fingers at other parties.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.[/p][/quote]and is this more UKIP Liberterian ??? http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 13/ukip-ask-sussex-p olice-to-arrest-prot estors_n_5314454.htm l[/p][/quote]You are really having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to look for mud. Desperate times for you and your Labour Party, I guess. Since you cannot win an argument on pure debate, you resort to searching for any arch left-wing media story you can find to smear UKIP. Of course, the majority of people know the game you are playing; trying to find anything, anywhere, in the press to use as an attack and then claiming that the whole of UKIP is the same. It's nonsense of course.That would be like claiming the whole of Labour supports paedophilia simply because Deputy Leader Harriet Harman, as part of NCCL, did not support kicking out PIE even though she was aware at the time of what and who they are. It raises questions about her individual judgment, but it would be ridiculous and wrong to extend the argument to call you and the Labour pary paedophile supporters. Yet that is exactly the tactic you keep trying to use all over the WO to damage UKIP. Shameful. BTW, as I suggested earlier, did you ever type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google to look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up? I notice that you have tried to ignore it. As I have said before, maybe you should deal with the fruitcakes, racists and criminals in Labour first before you start pointing fingers at other parties. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

3:52pm Tue 13 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wasn't Diane Abbott a shadow Labour minister? She has been found uttering racist comments on more than one occasion. Did she get chucked out? No, of course not, she was promoted to shadow cabinet.

Does that mean all Labour supporters and politicians are racist? According to AAA's rules, yes it does. AAA must therefore believe that both he/she and all other Labour people are racists.

That said, any sensible person would recognise that AAA comes out with utter rubbish and should file it where it belongs.

Still only personal attacks, no-one can find anything wrong with our policies. Well done UKIP for producing sensible policies for Watford. If they are implemented Watford will become a far better town to live and work in.

Labour, Greens, LibDems and Tories cannot come up with any sensible arguments against our policies.

Common sense local government for the people of Watford. About time!
Wasn't Diane Abbott a shadow Labour minister? She has been found uttering racist comments on more than one occasion. Did she get chucked out? No, of course not, she was promoted to shadow cabinet. Does that mean all Labour supporters and politicians are racist? According to AAA's rules, yes it does. AAA must therefore believe that both he/she and all other Labour people are racists. That said, any sensible person would recognise that AAA comes out with utter rubbish and should file it where it belongs. Still only personal attacks, no-one can find anything wrong with our policies. Well done UKIP for producing sensible policies for Watford. If they are implemented Watford will become a far better town to live and work in. Labour, Greens, LibDems and Tories cannot come up with any sensible arguments against our policies. Common sense local government for the people of Watford. About time! Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

3:56pm Tue 13 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Has anyone noticed there are far fewer Tory, Labour and LibDem boards up around Watford.

A number of people have told me that this year they are voting UKIP for the first time and are refusing the boards of the other parties that they have flown in the past.

There is often a comment forthcoming about our current Mayor being the reason for change being needed.

Could there be an earthquake coming to Watford?

VOTE UKIP.
Has anyone noticed there are far fewer Tory, Labour and LibDem boards up around Watford. A number of people have told me that this year they are voting UKIP for the first time and are refusing the boards of the other parties that they have flown in the past. There is often a comment forthcoming about our current Mayor being the reason for change being needed. Could there be an earthquake coming to Watford? VOTE UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

4:00pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

D_Penn wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
ancientandageing wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.
and is this more UKIP Liberterian ??? http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 13/ukip-ask-sussex-p olice-to-arrest-prot estors_n_5314454.htm l
You are really having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to look for mud. Desperate times for you and your Labour Party, I guess. Since you cannot win an argument on pure debate, you resort to searching for any arch left-wing media story you can find to smear UKIP.

Of course, the majority of people know the game you are playing; trying to find anything, anywhere, in the press to use as an attack and then claiming that the whole of UKIP is the same. It's nonsense of course.That would be like claiming the whole of Labour supports paedophilia simply because Deputy Leader Harriet Harman, as part of NCCL, did not support kicking out PIE even though she was aware at the time of what and who they are.

It raises questions about her individual judgment, but it would be ridiculous and wrong to extend the argument to call you and the Labour pary paedophile supporters. Yet that is exactly the tactic you keep trying to use all over the WO to damage UKIP. Shameful.

BTW, as I suggested earlier, did you ever type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google to look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up? I notice that you have tried to ignore it. As I have said before, maybe you should deal with the fruitcakes, racists and criminals in Labour first before you start pointing fingers at other parties.
ON this thread We have been through the UKIP Manefesto and quite frankly it has been found wanting on many many issues.

One of them is your partys attitude to organisations it does not agree with such as "common Purpose". Now I give you another example, you don't like it, there are many many more I could find.

In a similar vein you Perssonally don't appear to like criticesem,.

I qouted Your MEP candidate Patrick O flynn's writings at you, without naming him, and you denounced them, you did it hear

http://www.watfordob
server.co.uk/news/11
186054.Watford_mayor
_refuses_to_be__bull
ied__into_ruling_out
_2015_Westminster_bi
d/

clearly in reference to him as the author you wrote " The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP"
These are your words written about the author of the following qoutes:-

" On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com
munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."


"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

you made them at 7:39pm on Sat 3 May 14 and they are there for people to see.

In the same post you write "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over"

yet you belong to a party which will almost certainly have Patrick O'flynn as a representative in Eorope.

I find the two things to be incampatable, I am sorry that is how I see it, if you believe your statment then how on earth can you ask me to vote for the auther of the examples I gave you, it screams hypocracy at me, maybe others see it differently, but I fail to.

Another thing that I really dislike is that you always want to deride anyone who is concerned about your party as being "arch left-wing" or some such, we are not, let me illistrate this in a recent opinion poll there was a 1/3 each split on those that hold your party to be racist, don't know say it is not .it is absurd to say 1/3 of peeps are arch left-wing.
Another example would be Dan Hodges in the Telegraph, a blairite centerest and in no way an arch left-winger has been very critical, Micjheal Heseltine is another example,

So I ask you do you want the good people of watford to vote UKIP in the Euro elections; if it means (and it does) getting Patrick O'flynn as MEP?

If so pleasecan you reassure us with evidance that Patrick O'Flynn now holds views in line with your stated view.
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.[/p][/quote]and is this more UKIP Liberterian ??? http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 13/ukip-ask-sussex-p olice-to-arrest-prot estors_n_5314454.htm l[/p][/quote]You are really having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to look for mud. Desperate times for you and your Labour Party, I guess. Since you cannot win an argument on pure debate, you resort to searching for any arch left-wing media story you can find to smear UKIP. Of course, the majority of people know the game you are playing; trying to find anything, anywhere, in the press to use as an attack and then claiming that the whole of UKIP is the same. It's nonsense of course.That would be like claiming the whole of Labour supports paedophilia simply because Deputy Leader Harriet Harman, as part of NCCL, did not support kicking out PIE even though she was aware at the time of what and who they are. It raises questions about her individual judgment, but it would be ridiculous and wrong to extend the argument to call you and the Labour pary paedophile supporters. Yet that is exactly the tactic you keep trying to use all over the WO to damage UKIP. Shameful. BTW, as I suggested earlier, did you ever type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google to look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up? I notice that you have tried to ignore it. As I have said before, maybe you should deal with the fruitcakes, racists and criminals in Labour first before you start pointing fingers at other parties.[/p][/quote]ON this thread We have been through the UKIP Manefesto and quite frankly it has been found wanting on many many issues. One of them is your partys attitude to organisations it does not agree with such as "common Purpose". Now I give you another example, you don't like it, there are many many more I could find. In a similar vein you Perssonally don't appear to like criticesem,. I qouted Your MEP candidate Patrick O flynn's writings at you, without naming him, and you denounced them, you did it hear http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/11 186054.Watford_mayor _refuses_to_be__bull ied__into_ruling_out _2015_Westminster_bi d/ clearly in reference to him as the author you wrote " The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP" These are your words written about the author of the following qoutes:- " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." you made them at 7:39pm on Sat 3 May 14 and they are there for people to see. In the same post you write "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over" yet you belong to a party which will almost certainly have Patrick O'flynn as a representative in Eorope. I find the two things to be incampatable, I am sorry that is how I see it, if you believe your statment then how on earth can you ask me to vote for the auther of the examples I gave you, it screams hypocracy at me, maybe others see it differently, but I fail to. Another thing that I really dislike is that you always want to deride anyone who is concerned about your party as being "arch left-wing" or some such, we are not, let me illistrate this in a recent opinion poll there was a 1/3 each split on those that hold your party to be racist, don't know say it is not .it is absurd to say 1/3 of peeps are arch left-wing. Another example would be Dan Hodges in the Telegraph, a blairite centerest and in no way an arch left-winger has been very critical, Micjheal Heseltine is another example, So I ask you do you want the good people of watford to vote UKIP in the Euro elections; if it means (and it does) getting Patrick O'flynn as MEP? If so pleasecan you reassure us with evidance that Patrick O'Flynn now holds views in line with your stated view. ancientandageing
  • Score: -6

4:01pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Has anyone noticed there are far fewer Tory, Labour and LibDem boards up around Watford.

A number of people have told me that this year they are voting UKIP for the first time and are refusing the boards of the other parties that they have flown in the past.

There is often a comment forthcoming about our current Mayor being the reason for change being needed.

Could there be an earthquake coming to Watford?

VOTE UKIP.
driven down Wippendale road recently?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Has anyone noticed there are far fewer Tory, Labour and LibDem boards up around Watford. A number of people have told me that this year they are voting UKIP for the first time and are refusing the boards of the other parties that they have flown in the past. There is often a comment forthcoming about our current Mayor being the reason for change being needed. Could there be an earthquake coming to Watford? VOTE UKIP.[/p][/quote]driven down Wippendale road recently? ancientandageing
  • Score: -7

4:08pm Tue 13 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

So AAA, is Diane Abbott a racist?
So AAA, is Diane Abbott a racist? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 6

4:12pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
So AAA, is Diane Abbott a racist?
nope she made a remark for which she apalogised, now please reference me Patrick O Flynn,s apology, or of course you could denounce him.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: So AAA, is Diane Abbott a racist?[/p][/quote]nope she made a remark for which she apalogised, now please reference me Patrick O Flynn,s apology, or of course you could denounce him. ancientandageing
  • Score: -7

4:17pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
So AAA, is Diane Abbott a racist?
nope she made a remark for which she apalogised, now please reference me Patrick O Flynn,s apology, or of course you could denounce him.
plus having checked the ballot Diane Abbot is not on the Labour list for Eastern region

Patrick O F'lynn on the other hand is
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: So AAA, is Diane Abbott a racist?[/p][/quote]nope she made a remark for which she apalogised, now please reference me Patrick O Flynn,s apology, or of course you could denounce him.[/p][/quote]plus having checked the ballot Diane Abbot is not on the Labour list for Eastern region Patrick O F'lynn on the other hand is ancientandageing
  • Score: -6

4:19pm Tue 13 May 14

D_Penn says...

@ancientandageing

As you keep ignoring it, I think I'll do a Paxman here and try asking for the third time.

Type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google and look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up?

Do you condemn them? Do you think that all Labour Party members are the same as these awful Labour people?
@ancientandageing As you keep ignoring it, I think I'll do a Paxman here and try asking for the third time. Type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google and look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up? Do you condemn them? Do you think that all Labour Party members are the same as these awful Labour people? D_Penn
  • Score: 5

4:25pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
ancientandageing wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.
and is this more UKIP Liberterian ??? http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 13/ukip-ask-sussex-p olice-to-arrest-prot estors_n_5314454.htm l
You are really having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to look for mud. Desperate times for you and your Labour Party, I guess. Since you cannot win an argument on pure debate, you resort to searching for any arch left-wing media story you can find to smear UKIP.

Of course, the majority of people know the game you are playing; trying to find anything, anywhere, in the press to use as an attack and then claiming that the whole of UKIP is the same. It's nonsense of course.That would be like claiming the whole of Labour supports paedophilia simply because Deputy Leader Harriet Harman, as part of NCCL, did not support kicking out PIE even though she was aware at the time of what and who they are.

It raises questions about her individual judgment, but it would be ridiculous and wrong to extend the argument to call you and the Labour pary paedophile supporters. Yet that is exactly the tactic you keep trying to use all over the WO to damage UKIP. Shameful.

BTW, as I suggested earlier, did you ever type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google to look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up? I notice that you have tried to ignore it. As I have said before, maybe you should deal with the fruitcakes, racists and criminals in Labour first before you start pointing fingers at other parties.
ON this thread We have been through the UKIP Manefesto and quite frankly it has been found wanting on many many issues.

One of them is your partys attitude to organisations it does not agree with such as "common Purpose". Now I give you another example, you don't like it, there are many many more I could find.

In a similar vein you Perssonally don't appear to like criticesem,.

I qouted Your MEP candidate Patrick O flynn's writings at you, without naming him, and you denounced them, you did it hear

http://www.watfordob

server.co.uk/news/11

186054.Watford_mayor

_refuses_to_be__bull

ied__into_ruling_out

_2015_Westminster_bi

d/

clearly in reference to him as the author you wrote " The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP"
These are your words written about the author of the following qoutes:-

" On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com

munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation."


"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

you made them at 7:39pm on Sat 3 May 14 and they are there for people to see.

In the same post you write "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over"

yet you belong to a party which will almost certainly have Patrick O'flynn as a representative in Eorope.

I find the two things to be incampatable, I am sorry that is how I see it, if you believe your statment then how on earth can you ask me to vote for the auther of the examples I gave you, it screams hypocracy at me, maybe others see it differently, but I fail to.

Another thing that I really dislike is that you always want to deride anyone who is concerned about your party as being "arch left-wing" or some such, we are not, let me illistrate this in a recent opinion poll there was a 1/3 each split on those that hold your party to be racist, don't know say it is not .it is absurd to say 1/3 of peeps are arch left-wing.
Another example would be Dan Hodges in the Telegraph, a blairite centerest and in no way an arch left-winger has been very critical, Micjheal Heseltine is another example,

So I ask you do you want the good people of watford to vote UKIP in the Euro elections; if it means (and it does) getting Patrick O'flynn as MEP?

If so pleasecan you reassure us with evidance that Patrick O'Flynn now holds views in line with your stated view.
I can see why you are seeking to aviod this post, but fail to see why I should let you
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-complaint -prompts-police-to-q uestion-blogger-9358 634.html The problem is that things like the above happan when people say things that UKIP, the great "liberterian" Party don't like, it is sort of hard to hold a debate with your party, fearing a knock on the door from the police or a spourious defamation case. You said you had enough of this thread only to return becouse a poster pointed out that your local policys were "bonkers" and that you guys had lost the debate.[/p][/quote]and is this more UKIP Liberterian ??? http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 13/ukip-ask-sussex-p olice-to-arrest-prot estors_n_5314454.htm l[/p][/quote]You are really having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to look for mud. Desperate times for you and your Labour Party, I guess. Since you cannot win an argument on pure debate, you resort to searching for any arch left-wing media story you can find to smear UKIP. Of course, the majority of people know the game you are playing; trying to find anything, anywhere, in the press to use as an attack and then claiming that the whole of UKIP is the same. It's nonsense of course.That would be like claiming the whole of Labour supports paedophilia simply because Deputy Leader Harriet Harman, as part of NCCL, did not support kicking out PIE even though she was aware at the time of what and who they are. It raises questions about her individual judgment, but it would be ridiculous and wrong to extend the argument to call you and the Labour pary paedophile supporters. Yet that is exactly the tactic you keep trying to use all over the WO to damage UKIP. Shameful. BTW, as I suggested earlier, did you ever type "Labour councillor suspended" into Google to look at the myriad of stories, from paedophilia to racism, that comes up? I notice that you have tried to ignore it. As I have said before, maybe you should deal with the fruitcakes, racists and criminals in Labour first before you start pointing fingers at other parties.[/p][/quote]ON this thread We have been through the UKIP Manefesto and quite frankly it has been found wanting on many many issues. One of them is your partys attitude to organisations it does not agree with such as "common Purpose". Now I give you another example, you don't like it, there are many many more I could find. In a similar vein you Perssonally don't appear to like criticesem,. I qouted Your MEP candidate Patrick O flynn's writings at you, without naming him, and you denounced them, you did it hear http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/11 186054.Watford_mayor _refuses_to_be__bull ied__into_ruling_out _2015_Westminster_bi d/ clearly in reference to him as the author you wrote " The left-wing media search high and low looking for racism in UKIP in a desperate attempt to attack us. On rare occaions, they find an unsavoury individual who has hidden their true beliefs and slipped through the net. The media then try to pretend that these individuals are representative of UKIP" These are your words written about the author of the following qoutes:- " On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." you made them at 7:39pm on Sat 3 May 14 and they are there for people to see. In the same post you write "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over" yet you belong to a party which will almost certainly have Patrick O'flynn as a representative in Eorope. I find the two things to be incampatable, I am sorry that is how I see it, if you believe your statment then how on earth can you ask me to vote for the auther of the examples I gave you, it screams hypocracy at me, maybe others see it differently, but I fail to. Another thing that I really dislike is that you always want to deride anyone who is concerned about your party as being "arch left-wing" or some such, we are not, let me illistrate this in a recent opinion poll there was a 1/3 each split on those that hold your party to be racist, don't know say it is not .it is absurd to say 1/3 of peeps are arch left-wing. Another example would be Dan Hodges in the Telegraph, a blairite centerest and in no way an arch left-winger has been very critical, Micjheal Heseltine is another example, So I ask you do you want the good people of watford to vote UKIP in the Euro elections; if it means (and it does) getting Patrick O'flynn as MEP? If so pleasecan you reassure us with evidance that Patrick O'Flynn now holds views in line with your stated view.[/p][/quote]I can see why you are seeking to aviod this post, but fail to see why I should let you ancientandageing
  • Score: -5

4:32pm Tue 13 May 14

ramage1996 says...

So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip

http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/may/13/ukip-tweet-p
olice-chief-inquiry


In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis..

Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip.



But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.
So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing. ramage1996
  • Score: -3

4:45pm Tue 13 May 14

ramage1996 says...

When you are voting have a think about this article about Phil Cox's main pledges in the Watford Observer where he says he will consider moving Watford hospital out of Watford to Hemel or St Albans..

http://www.watfordob
server.co.uk/news/10
993032.UKIP_mayoral_
candidate_outlines_k
ey_pledges/?ref=mc

"Mr Cox suggested that if elected he would look into whether having the main acute hospital in the "packed" West Watford area was best solution or if it should possibly move to a "more central location" to Watford, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans."
When you are voting have a think about this article about Phil Cox's main pledges in the Watford Observer where he says he will consider moving Watford hospital out of Watford to Hemel or St Albans.. http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/10 993032.UKIP_mayoral_ candidate_outlines_k ey_pledges/?ref=mc "Mr Cox suggested that if elected he would look into whether having the main acute hospital in the "packed" West Watford area was best solution or if it should possibly move to a "more central location" to Watford, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans." ramage1996
  • Score: -7

4:53pm Tue 13 May 14

D_Penn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.
You grant me too much credit. I have no editorial control of the WO.

If comments have been removed, it is because you must have breached the rules of posting here. Given the glib way you will throw around lies when it suits you, I am hardly surprised.

Just one question. How can you ever feel good about yourself knowing that you resort to smearing people? Most ordinary people are honest and decent and would never stoop to lying to try to win an argument. Yet, like ancientandageing, you are happy to discredit yourself regularly yet you feel no shame. Why don't you consider getting some self respect, become honourable and debate on facts.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.[/p][/quote]You grant me too much credit. I have no editorial control of the WO. If comments have been removed, it is because you must have breached the rules of posting here. Given the glib way you will throw around lies when it suits you, I am hardly surprised. Just one question. How can you ever feel good about yourself knowing that you resort to smearing people? Most ordinary people are honest and decent and would never stoop to lying to try to win an argument. Yet, like ancientandageing, you are happy to discredit yourself regularly yet you feel no shame. Why don't you consider getting some self respect, become honourable and debate on facts. D_Penn
  • Score: 7

4:56pm Tue 13 May 14

ramage1996 says...

D_Penn wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.
You grant me too much credit. I have no editorial control of the WO.

If comments have been removed, it is because you must have breached the rules of posting here. Given the glib way you will throw around lies when it suits you, I am hardly surprised.

Just one question. How can you ever feel good about yourself knowing that you resort to smearing people? Most ordinary people are honest and decent and would never stoop to lying to try to win an argument. Yet, like ancientandageing, you are happy to discredit yourself regularly yet you feel no shame. Why don't you consider getting some self respect, become honourable and debate on facts.
You have had whole comments sections removed on this site when you and Cox complain, this has been confirmed when I emailed the author of the articles.

Ukip = anti free speech and authoritarian.

Same as in Cambridgeshire where the Ukip bloke called the Police as he didnt like a tweet, bit of a theme with Ukip here?
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.[/p][/quote]You grant me too much credit. I have no editorial control of the WO. If comments have been removed, it is because you must have breached the rules of posting here. Given the glib way you will throw around lies when it suits you, I am hardly surprised. Just one question. How can you ever feel good about yourself knowing that you resort to smearing people? Most ordinary people are honest and decent and would never stoop to lying to try to win an argument. Yet, like ancientandageing, you are happy to discredit yourself regularly yet you feel no shame. Why don't you consider getting some self respect, become honourable and debate on facts.[/p][/quote]You have had whole comments sections removed on this site when you and Cox complain, this has been confirmed when I emailed the author of the articles. Ukip = anti free speech and authoritarian. Same as in Cambridgeshire where the Ukip bloke called the Police as he didnt like a tweet, bit of a theme with Ukip here? ramage1996
  • Score: -4

5:02pm Tue 13 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

ramage1996 wrote:
So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip

http://www.theguardi

an.com/politics/2014

/may/13/ukip-tweet-p

olice-chief-inquiry


In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis..

Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip.



But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.
More untrue personal attacks.

The Green activist was reported for using the UKIP logo on a mocked-up leaflet.

I deplore that sort of behaviour, but then UKIP is full of decent people that behave better than that.

We need better people in politics, not liars and tricksters.

What's wrong wit the truth?
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.[/p][/quote]More untrue personal attacks. The Green activist was reported for using the UKIP logo on a mocked-up leaflet. I deplore that sort of behaviour, but then UKIP is full of decent people that behave better than that. We need better people in politics, not liars and tricksters. What's wrong wit the truth? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

5:08pm Tue 13 May 14

ramage1996 says...

With the latest two people announced to stand by Ukip being proudly racist and homophobic..

Saying 'all immigrants should go home' and 'comparing homophobia to not liking Earl Grey tea'


http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/roger-helmer-m
ep-at-centre-of-homo
phobia-row-unveiled-
as-ukip-candidate-fo
r-newark-byelection-
9327582.html

http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/2014/05/
06/ukip-newark-roger
-helmer_n_5275881.ht
ml



I wonder if Phil Cox shares these views and do we want this nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford?
With the latest two people announced to stand by Ukip being proudly racist and homophobic.. Saying 'all immigrants should go home' and 'comparing homophobia to not liking Earl Grey tea' http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/roger-helmer-m ep-at-centre-of-homo phobia-row-unveiled- as-ukip-candidate-fo r-newark-byelection- 9327582.html http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml I wonder if Phil Cox shares these views and do we want this nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford? ramage1996
  • Score: -5

5:26pm Tue 13 May 14

D_Penn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
ramage1996 wrote: So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.
You grant me too much credit. I have no editorial control of the WO. If comments have been removed, it is because you must have breached the rules of posting here. Given the glib way you will throw around lies when it suits you, I am hardly surprised. Just one question. How can you ever feel good about yourself knowing that you resort to smearing people? Most ordinary people are honest and decent and would never stoop to lying to try to win an argument. Yet, like ancientandageing, you are happy to discredit yourself regularly yet you feel no shame. Why don't you consider getting some self respect, become honourable and debate on facts.
You have had whole comments sections removed on this site when you and Cox complain, this has been confirmed when I emailed the author of the articles. Ukip = anti free speech and authoritarian. Same as in Cambridgeshire where the Ukip bloke called the Police as he didnt like a tweet, bit of a theme with Ukip here?
The WO are protecting themselves and you from potential legal action.

Contrary to your assertions, UKIP is a broadly libertarian party which means we believe in free speech. However, we recognise, as do all sensible people, that there has to be a limit in decent society.

We are all aware that it is a criminal offence to write something that may encourage a person or group to commit an act of violence. It is also a civil offence to write lies about someone or a group or misrepresent what they have said (defamation).

Now I'm sorry that you think that these things should be allowed in the name of free speech, but most decent people would think that actions that contravene the above laws are immoral and wrong.

However, your post makes it clear that in your arrogance you think it is fine to go around telling lies about people. You do not question your own judgment but are merely angry that you cannot continue mudslinging without being penalised and being taught that, in the civilised world, some of your online behaviour is not acceptable.

Instead of complaining, I would keep quiet if I were you because you ought to be embarrassed that others were being made aware that your posts were so out of order that the WO felt the need to remove them. Your failings obviously raise questions in the minds of others about your moral character and whether any of your posts are to be trusted.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.[/p][/quote]You grant me too much credit. I have no editorial control of the WO. If comments have been removed, it is because you must have breached the rules of posting here. Given the glib way you will throw around lies when it suits you, I am hardly surprised. Just one question. How can you ever feel good about yourself knowing that you resort to smearing people? Most ordinary people are honest and decent and would never stoop to lying to try to win an argument. Yet, like ancientandageing, you are happy to discredit yourself regularly yet you feel no shame. Why don't you consider getting some self respect, become honourable and debate on facts.[/p][/quote]You have had whole comments sections removed on this site when you and Cox complain, this has been confirmed when I emailed the author of the articles. Ukip = anti free speech and authoritarian. Same as in Cambridgeshire where the Ukip bloke called the Police as he didnt like a tweet, bit of a theme with Ukip here?[/p][/quote]The WO are protecting themselves and you from potential legal action. Contrary to your assertions, UKIP is a broadly libertarian party which means we believe in free speech. However, we recognise, as do all sensible people, that there has to be a limit in decent society. We are all aware that it is a criminal offence to write something that may encourage a person or group to commit an act of violence. It is also a civil offence to write lies about someone or a group or misrepresent what they have said (defamation). Now I'm sorry that you think that these things should be allowed in the name of free speech, but most decent people would think that actions that contravene the above laws are immoral and wrong. However, your post makes it clear that in your arrogance you think it is fine to go around telling lies about people. You do not question your own judgment but are merely angry that you cannot continue mudslinging without being penalised and being taught that, in the civilised world, some of your online behaviour is not acceptable. Instead of complaining, I would keep quiet if I were you because you ought to be embarrassed that others were being made aware that your posts were so out of order that the WO felt the need to remove them. Your failings obviously raise questions in the minds of others about your moral character and whether any of your posts are to be trusted. D_Penn
  • Score: 2

5:33pm Tue 13 May 14

ramage1996 says...

mmmm no you requested the whole comments sections to be removed.

Ukip = anti free speech and authoritarian..

Mr Penn, if you don't like me stating facts, maybe you can do what the Ukip candidate in Cambridgeshire did and call the Police as he like you is anti free speech.

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-free-spee
ch-row-police-tell-b
logger-to-take-down-
legitimate-facts-tak
en-from-official-eur
osceptic-party-polic
y-9358196.html
mmmm no you requested the whole comments sections to be removed. Ukip = anti free speech and authoritarian.. Mr Penn, if you don't like me stating facts, maybe you can do what the Ukip candidate in Cambridgeshire did and call the Police as he like you is anti free speech. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-free-spee ch-row-police-tell-b logger-to-take-down- legitimate-facts-tak en-from-official-eur osceptic-party-polic y-9358196.html ramage1996
  • Score: -4

5:59pm Tue 13 May 14

D_Penn says...

ramage1996 wrote:
With the latest two people announced to stand by Ukip being proudly racist and homophobic.. Saying 'all immigrants should go home' and 'comparing homophobia to not liking Earl Grey tea' http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/roger-helmer-m ep-at-centre-of-homo phobia-row-unveiled- as-ukip-candidate-fo r-newark-byelection- 9327582.html http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml I wonder if Phil Cox shares these views and do we want this nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford?
You really are one of the most embarassingly ignorant people I have seen on here.

To answer your question, nobody wants a nasty, racist, homophobic party in Watford - or anywhere for that matter.

Now I can't answer for the other parties who may be full of racists, homophobes and paedophiles for all I know. However, I can answer for UKIP in Watford.

There is nobody racist in our party and if someone who was tried to join they would be quickly told that we wouldn't accept them.

There is nobody homophobic in our local party, and given that we have gay members, I would find your assertion laughable if it wasn't so insulting.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: With the latest two people announced to stand by Ukip being proudly racist and homophobic.. Saying 'all immigrants should go home' and 'comparing homophobia to not liking Earl Grey tea' http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/roger-helmer-m ep-at-centre-of-homo phobia-row-unveiled- as-ukip-candidate-fo r-newark-byelection- 9327582.html http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml I wonder if Phil Cox shares these views and do we want this nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford?[/p][/quote]You really are one of the most embarassingly ignorant people I have seen on here. To answer your question, nobody wants a nasty, racist, homophobic party in Watford - or anywhere for that matter. Now I can't answer for the other parties who may be full of racists, homophobes and paedophiles for all I know. However, I can answer for UKIP in Watford. There is nobody racist in our party and if someone who was tried to join they would be quickly told that we wouldn't accept them. There is nobody homophobic in our local party, and given that we have gay members, I would find your assertion laughable if it wasn't so insulting. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

6:06pm Tue 13 May 14

ramage1996 says...

yeeeea okay Mr Penn, no racists or homophobic people in Ukip.

If you say so...
yeeeea okay Mr Penn, no racists or homophobic people in Ukip. If you say so... ramage1996
  • Score: -4

6:23pm Tue 13 May 14

ramage1996 says...

To be honest I think the country see on a regular basis some right wing Ukip nut job saying something racist or homophobic..

However the people of Watford want the hospital to remain in Watford, Phil Cox would consider closing the hospital as quoted below in this very paper..

http://www.watfordob

server.co.uk/news/10

993032.UKIP_mayoral_

candidate_outlines_k

ey_pledges/?ref=mc

"Mr Cox suggested that if elected he would look into whether having the main acute hospital in the "packed" West Watford area was best solution or if it should possibly move to a "more central location" to Watford, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans."
To be honest I think the country see on a regular basis some right wing Ukip nut job saying something racist or homophobic.. However the people of Watford want the hospital to remain in Watford, Phil Cox would consider closing the hospital as quoted below in this very paper.. http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/10 993032.UKIP_mayoral_ candidate_outlines_k ey_pledges/?ref=mc "Mr Cox suggested that if elected he would look into whether having the main acute hospital in the "packed" West Watford area was best solution or if it should possibly move to a "more central location" to Watford, Hemel Hempstead and St Albans." ramage1996
  • Score: -5

7:06pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip

http://www.theguardi


an.com/politics/2014


/may/13/ukip-tweet-p


olice-chief-inquiry


In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis..

Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip.



But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.
More untrue personal attacks.

The Green activist was reported for using the UKIP logo on a mocked-up leaflet.

I deplore that sort of behaviour, but then UKIP is full of decent people that behave better than that.

We need better people in politics, not liars and tricksters.

What's wrong wit the truth?
the truth is your campaign manager has said "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over" and this is at odds with a whole host of written statments by the MEP candidate Patrick O'flynn that are tipified thus "On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com
munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced. electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."


Now You are standing in Watford
Patrick O flyn is standing in Eastern Region

I am a constituant of both
and the two positions are not campatable
So what is the UKIP position is it that of your campaign manager or the oft stated position of your MEP candidate,

You both want to represent me and I would like to know the answer
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.[/p][/quote]More untrue personal attacks. The Green activist was reported for using the UKIP logo on a mocked-up leaflet. I deplore that sort of behaviour, but then UKIP is full of decent people that behave better than that. We need better people in politics, not liars and tricksters. What's wrong wit the truth?[/p][/quote]the truth is your campaign manager has said "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over" and this is at odds with a whole host of written statments by the MEP candidate Patrick O'flynn that are tipified thus "On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced. electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." Now You are standing in Watford Patrick O flyn is standing in Eastern Region I am a constituant of both and the two positions are not campatable So what is the UKIP position is it that of your campaign manager or the oft stated position of your MEP candidate, You both want to represent me and I would like to know the answer ancientandageing
  • Score: -4

7:34pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ramage1996 wrote:
yeeeea okay Mr Penn, no racists or homophobic people in Ukip.

If you say so...
meanwhile oops
http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/may/13/british-asia
n-ukip-supporter-qui
ts-party-racist-popu
lism-sanya-jeet-than
di
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: yeeeea okay Mr Penn, no racists or homophobic people in Ukip. If you say so...[/p][/quote]meanwhile oops http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/british-asia n-ukip-supporter-qui ts-party-racist-popu lism-sanya-jeet-than di ancientandageing
  • Score: -5

9:36pm Tue 13 May 14

ancientandageing says...

my god the anti establishment party just gets better and better

Now it is to late to take this candidate of the ballot right?

http://www.politics.
co.uk/news/2014/05/1
3/strip-public-of-th
e-vote-says-ukip-can
didate
my god the anti establishment party just gets better and better Now it is to late to take this candidate of the ballot right? http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2014/05/1 3/strip-public-of-th e-vote-says-ukip-can didate ancientandageing
  • Score: -6

9:50am Wed 14 May 14

ancientandageing says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip

http://www.theguardi



an.com/politics/2014



/may/13/ukip-tweet-p



olice-chief-inquiry


In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis..

Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip.



But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.
More untrue personal attacks.

The Green activist was reported for using the UKIP logo on a mocked-up leaflet.

I deplore that sort of behaviour, but then UKIP is full of decent people that behave better than that.

We need better people in politics, not liars and tricksters.

What's wrong wit the truth?
the truth is your campaign manager has said "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over" and this is at odds with a whole host of written statments by the MEP candidate Patrick O'flynn that are tipified thus "On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com

munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced. electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."


Now You are standing in Watford
Patrick O flyn is standing in Eastern Region

I am a constituant of both
and the two positions are not campatable
So what is the UKIP position is it that of your campaign manager or the oft stated position of your MEP candidate,

You both want to represent me and I would like to know the answer
It doesn't appear that UKIP have an answer for this yet.

Who is representative of UKIP

David Penn and Phil Cox UKIP local candidates
Or Patrick O.flynn UKIP communication bod and our regional MEP candidate

BTW the young women who left UKIP in the linked story seems to have left as a result of her believing UKIP are pandering to racisem, although not stated the timing coincides with the arrival and influence of Patrick O'Flynn as UKIP comms bod.

Please ask if you vote UKIP are you pandering to racisem and islamaphobia?
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: So in Cambridgeshire Ukip ask the Police to go round and arrest someone for tweeting something anti Ukip http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/13/ukip-tweet-p olice-chief-inquiry In the WO, Cox and Penn have whole comments sections removed on a regular basis.. Welcome to the authoritarian anti free speech world of Ukip. But I guess if you are going to put racist and homophobic people up to stand for your party then you have to shut down free speech or it gets embarrassing.[/p][/quote]More untrue personal attacks. The Green activist was reported for using the UKIP logo on a mocked-up leaflet. I deplore that sort of behaviour, but then UKIP is full of decent people that behave better than that. We need better people in politics, not liars and tricksters. What's wrong wit the truth?[/p][/quote]the truth is your campaign manager has said "The majority of Muslims I have met are well brought up, hard working courteous people who work hard to raise their families. Unsurprisingly, this behaviour is the same as the majority of people all the world over" and this is at odds with a whole host of written statments by the MEP candidate Patrick O'flynn that are tipified thus "On an economic level, the impact of Britain’s Muslims is massively negative. Research shows Muslim com munities are typified by heavy levels of welfare dependency and low levels of wealth creation." "Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced. electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." Now You are standing in Watford Patrick O flyn is standing in Eastern Region I am a constituant of both and the two positions are not campatable So what is the UKIP position is it that of your campaign manager or the oft stated position of your MEP candidate, You both want to represent me and I would like to know the answer[/p][/quote]It doesn't appear that UKIP have an answer for this yet. Who is representative of UKIP David Penn and Phil Cox UKIP local candidates Or Patrick O.flynn UKIP communication bod and our regional MEP candidate BTW the young women who left UKIP in the linked story seems to have left as a result of her believing UKIP are pandering to racisem, although not stated the timing coincides with the arrival and influence of Patrick O'Flynn as UKIP comms bod. Please ask if you vote UKIP are you pandering to racisem and islamaphobia? ancientandageing
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Wed 14 May 14

crazyfrog says...

@ancientandageing can I ask if you are employed or affiliated by any of the other political parties to post on this site? Purely out of interest you see!
@ancientandageing can I ask if you are employed or affiliated by any of the other political parties to post on this site? Purely out of interest you see! crazyfrog
  • Score: -1

1:31pm Wed 14 May 14

ancientandageing says...

crazyfrog wrote:
@ancientandageing can I ask if you are employed or affiliated by any of the other political parties to post on this site? Purely out of interest you see!
I have a co op card does that make me an affiliate? if it does the answer is yes.

as for being paid you are having a girrafe, as they say. That is I neither get paid by any political party orginisation, charity to post on here.
Niether do I recieve any grant, wage or allowance from a public body or orginasation or charity.

I do kind of resent the question thou, the rules say you can post anon so well I do, all this flapping around saying this person is this and that person is the other is pure nonsense in my mind and really I still think I should say "mind your own business"

But in the vain hope that by abswering I ca put this behind me and pharaps the important issue I have raised will be addressed I have answered fully.

The issue is why does there seem to be two UKIP positions on the issues of race and Islamaphobia.??

That of Pennand his Mayoral candidate
is the opposite of the writings of
Patrick O'Flynn the UKIP cooms Bod and MEP candidate

SO WHAT IS THE REAL UKIP, & WHY NO ANSWER ON THIS QUESTION?

I would add that I have tried raising this on a number of days and had no answer that even hinted at addressing this issue
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: @ancientandageing can I ask if you are employed or affiliated by any of the other political parties to post on this site? Purely out of interest you see![/p][/quote]I have a co op card does that make me an affiliate? if it does the answer is yes. as for being paid you are having a girrafe, as they say. That is I neither get paid by any political party orginisation, charity to post on here. Niether do I recieve any grant, wage or allowance from a public body or orginasation or charity. I do kind of resent the question thou, the rules say you can post anon so well I do, all this flapping around saying this person is this and that person is the other is pure nonsense in my mind and really I still think I should say "mind your own business" But in the vain hope that by abswering I ca put this behind me and pharaps the important issue I have raised will be addressed I have answered fully. The issue is why does there seem to be two UKIP positions on the issues of race and Islamaphobia.?? That of Pennand his Mayoral candidate is the opposite of the writings of Patrick O'Flynn the UKIP cooms Bod and MEP candidate SO WHAT IS THE REAL UKIP, & WHY NO ANSWER ON THIS QUESTION? I would add that I have tried raising this on a number of days and had no answer that even hinted at addressing this issue ancientandageing
  • Score: 2

10:07pm Wed 14 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

I might be able to clear up a couple of things here.

My name is derived from a desire to spread the love, whenever I see UKIP politiceans they all look like they could do with a friend, a buddy a pal. I am here to be that pal, to bring friendship and love to their hearts, for it seems to be something they are sadly missing.

I am in no way a friend of their policies but I call for understanding and compassion, they are in need and I aim to be a friend indeed, wether they want it or not.

So in answer to the Question placed by AAA it is clear the Hierachy is thus Farage, other MEP's national officers and at the bottom is local cllrs somewhere above them would be the Mayor.

So the truth is UKIP is more in tune with it the homophobic writings of its Director of Communications and soon to be MEP Patrick O'flynn

the words of the prospective councellor would appear to have little if any relevance to what UKIP is.

Now that is not to say that the local cllrs don't need your love, the do, the one thing however I would warn against is voting for them this will not help them be happy and fullfilled inividuals.
I might be able to clear up a couple of things here. My name is derived from a desire to spread the love, whenever I see UKIP politiceans they all look like they could do with a friend, a buddy a pal. I am here to be that pal, to bring friendship and love to their hearts, for it seems to be something they are sadly missing. I am in no way a friend of their policies but I call for understanding and compassion, they are in need and I aim to be a friend indeed, wether they want it or not. So in answer to the Question placed by AAA it is clear the Hierachy is thus Farage, other MEP's national officers and at the bottom is local cllrs somewhere above them would be the Mayor. So the truth is UKIP is more in tune with it the homophobic writings of its Director of Communications and soon to be MEP Patrick O'flynn the words of the prospective councellor would appear to have little if any relevance to what UKIP is. Now that is not to say that the local cllrs don't need your love, the do, the one thing however I would warn against is voting for them this will not help them be happy and fullfilled inividuals. UKIP-pal
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Wed 14 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
I might be able to clear up a couple of things here.

My name is derived from a desire to spread the love, whenever I see UKIP politiceans they all look like they could do with a friend, a buddy a pal. I am here to be that pal, to bring friendship and love to their hearts, for it seems to be something they are sadly missing.

I am in no way a friend of their policies but I call for understanding and compassion, they are in need and I aim to be a friend indeed, wether they want it or not.

So in answer to the Question placed by AAA it is clear the Hierachy is thus Farage, other MEP's national officers and at the bottom is local cllrs somewhere above them would be the Mayor.

So the truth is UKIP is more in tune with it the homophobic writings of its Director of Communications and soon to be MEP Patrick O'flynn

the words of the prospective councellor would appear to have little if any relevance to what UKIP is.

Now that is not to say that the local cllrs don't need your love, the do, the one thing however I would warn against is voting for them this will not help them be happy and fullfilled inividuals.
oh there I go getting my phobics mixed and muddled, scattybrained ole me, I feel the fear from UKIP it over powers, this was the wrong phobic wasn't it, I don't want to get in trouble with the Watford observer people its Islamaphobic isn't it, its Roger Helmer who is involved with homophobic problems. Sorry
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: I might be able to clear up a couple of things here. My name is derived from a desire to spread the love, whenever I see UKIP politiceans they all look like they could do with a friend, a buddy a pal. I am here to be that pal, to bring friendship and love to their hearts, for it seems to be something they are sadly missing. I am in no way a friend of their policies but I call for understanding and compassion, they are in need and I aim to be a friend indeed, wether they want it or not. So in answer to the Question placed by AAA it is clear the Hierachy is thus Farage, other MEP's national officers and at the bottom is local cllrs somewhere above them would be the Mayor. So the truth is UKIP is more in tune with it the homophobic writings of its Director of Communications and soon to be MEP Patrick O'flynn the words of the prospective councellor would appear to have little if any relevance to what UKIP is. Now that is not to say that the local cllrs don't need your love, the do, the one thing however I would warn against is voting for them this will not help them be happy and fullfilled inividuals.[/p][/quote]oh there I go getting my phobics mixed and muddled, scattybrained ole me, I feel the fear from UKIP it over powers, this was the wrong phobic wasn't it, I don't want to get in trouble with the Watford observer people its Islamaphobic isn't it, its Roger Helmer who is involved with homophobic problems. Sorry UKIP-pal
  • Score: -1

10:55pm Wed 14 May 14

crazyfrog says...

Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!!
Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!! crazyfrog
  • Score: 3

11:27pm Wed 14 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

crazyfrog wrote:
Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!!
you need some love crazyfrog then you might be a sane frog (((hug)))
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!![/p][/quote]you need some love crazyfrog then you might be a sane frog (((hug))) UKIP-pal
  • Score: 0

11:32pm Wed 14 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

ancientandageing wrote:
my god the anti establishment party just gets better and better

Now it is to late to take this candidate of the ballot right?

http://www.politics.

co.uk/news/2014/05/1

3/strip-public-of-th

e-vote-says-ukip-can

didate
you are well meaning AAA but you also need my love, just a little bit, love is the answer (((hug)))
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: my god the anti establishment party just gets better and better Now it is to late to take this candidate of the ballot right? http://www.politics. co.uk/news/2014/05/1 3/strip-public-of-th e-vote-says-ukip-can didate[/p][/quote]you are well meaning AAA but you also need my love, just a little bit, love is the answer (((hug))) UKIP-pal
  • Score: 0

11:34pm Wed 14 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

D_Penn wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
With the latest two people announced to stand by Ukip being proudly racist and homophobic.. Saying 'all immigrants should go home' and 'comparing homophobia to not liking Earl Grey tea' http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/roger-helmer-m ep-at-centre-of-homo phobia-row-unveiled- as-ukip-candidate-fo r-newark-byelection- 9327582.html http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml I wonder if Phil Cox shares these views and do we want this nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford?
You really are one of the most embarassingly ignorant people I have seen on here.

To answer your question, nobody wants a nasty, racist, homophobic party in Watford - or anywhere for that matter.

Now I can't answer for the other parties who may be full of racists, homophobes and paedophiles for all I know. However, I can answer for UKIP in Watford.

There is nobody racist in our party and if someone who was tried to join they would be quickly told that we wouldn't accept them.

There is nobody homophobic in our local party, and given that we have gay members, I would find your assertion laughable if it wasn't so insulting.
I feel the need the need for love it is huge here

(((((((HUG))))))
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: With the latest two people announced to stand by Ukip being proudly racist and homophobic.. Saying 'all immigrants should go home' and 'comparing homophobia to not liking Earl Grey tea' http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/roger-helmer-m ep-at-centre-of-homo phobia-row-unveiled- as-ukip-candidate-fo r-newark-byelection- 9327582.html http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2014/05/ 06/ukip-newark-roger -helmer_n_5275881.ht ml I wonder if Phil Cox shares these views and do we want this nasty racist, homophobic party in Watford?[/p][/quote]You really are one of the most embarassingly ignorant people I have seen on here. To answer your question, nobody wants a nasty, racist, homophobic party in Watford - or anywhere for that matter. Now I can't answer for the other parties who may be full of racists, homophobes and paedophiles for all I know. However, I can answer for UKIP in Watford. There is nobody racist in our party and if someone who was tried to join they would be quickly told that we wouldn't accept them. There is nobody homophobic in our local party, and given that we have gay members, I would find your assertion laughable if it wasn't so insulting.[/p][/quote]I feel the need the need for love it is huge here (((((((HUG)))))) UKIP-pal
  • Score: -1

11:37pm Wed 14 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

crazyfrog wrote:
Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!!
Not for the first time...
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!![/p][/quote]Not for the first time... Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

11:43pm Wed 14 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!!
Not for the first time...
the need for love is strong with this one ((((HUG))))
love is the answer, where is the love in UKIP?

we are all the same, its there somewhere, the romaining volunter in the charity shop, the muslim blood donor its there, the east european helping an old lady across the road, the islamic emphasis on careing for their own parants and grandparants.

Love given, nope not hate

feel the love
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!![/p][/quote]Not for the first time...[/p][/quote]the need for love is strong with this one ((((HUG)))) love is the answer, where is the love in UKIP? we are all the same, its there somewhere, the romaining volunter in the charity shop, the muslim blood donor its there, the east european helping an old lady across the road, the islamic emphasis on careing for their own parants and grandparants. Love given, nope not hate feel the love UKIP-pal
  • Score: -1

11:45pm Wed 14 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!!
Not for the first time...
hope not hate that is

feel the love induced typos
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: Omg ancientandageing sorry I meant UKIP-pal is talking to himself now!!![/p][/quote]Not for the first time...[/p][/quote]hope not hate that is feel the love induced typos UKIP-pal
  • Score: 0

12:09am Thu 15 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE

think I will give everyone some +ve feedback
UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE think I will give everyone some +ve feedback UKIP-pal
  • Score: -1

12:31am Thu 15 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE

think I will give everyone some +ve feedback
that took a while
it was a labor
a labor of love
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE think I will give everyone some +ve feedback[/p][/quote]that took a while it was a labor a labor of love UKIP-pal
  • Score: 0

12:47am Thu 15 May 14

Su Murray says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE

think I will give everyone some +ve feedback
that took a while
it was a labor
a labor of love
*chuckle*

I'll see your Labour of love and raise it with a Green Hornet. ;-)

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=_yBxQXom
bCw
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE think I will give everyone some +ve feedback[/p][/quote]that took a while it was a labor a labor of love[/p][/quote]*chuckle* I'll see your Labour of love and raise it with a Green Hornet. ;-) https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=_yBxQXom bCw Su Murray
  • Score: 0

7:41am Thu 15 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Su Murray wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE

think I will give everyone some +ve feedback
that took a while
it was a labor
a labor of love
*chuckle*

I'll see your Labour of love and raise it with a Green Hornet. ;-)

https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=_yBxQXom

bCw
Brilliant
but love is the answer "Shine it all around"
[quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE think I will give everyone some +ve feedback[/p][/quote]that took a while it was a labor a labor of love[/p][/quote]*chuckle* I'll see your Labour of love and raise it with a Green Hornet. ;-) https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=_yBxQXom bCw[/p][/quote]Brilliant but love is the answer "Shine it all around" UKIP-pal
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7:44am Thu 15 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
Su Murray wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE

think I will give everyone some +ve feedback
that took a while
it was a labor
a labor of love
*chuckle*

I'll see your Labour of love and raise it with a Green Hornet. ;-)

https://www.youtube.


com/watch?v=_yBxQXom


bCw
Brilliant
but love is the answer "Shine it all around"
that is:-
to qoute Robert Plant

"This is the land where I live
Paint it all over golden
Take a little sunshine spread it all around
This is the love that I give
These are the arms for the holding
Turn on your love light shine it all around"
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Su Murray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: UUMM A LOT OF NEGATIVITY ON HERE think I will give everyone some +ve feedback[/p][/quote]that took a while it was a labor a labor of love[/p][/quote]*chuckle* I'll see your Labour of love and raise it with a Green Hornet. ;-) https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=_yBxQXom bCw[/p][/quote]Brilliant but love is the answer "Shine it all around"[/p][/quote]that is:- to qoute Robert Plant "This is the land where I live Paint it all over golden Take a little sunshine spread it all around This is the love that I give These are the arms for the holding Turn on your love light shine it all around" UKIP-pal
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9:45am Thu 15 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-27
405765

This guy needs love, not hate

please please please no more??

There is no conspiracy here, no hint of a UKIP stunt, just a people with bitterness in their hearts, I am here to be a Pal to them too.

Yes I will shine love on these people too aswell as the Islamaphobe and racist, the Bigot and homophobe, the voilant anti UKIP thug needs love.

Shine it all around
http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-27 405765 This guy needs love, not hate please please please no more?? There is no conspiracy here, no hint of a UKIP stunt, just a people with bitterness in their hearts, I am here to be a Pal to them too. Yes I will shine love on these people too aswell as the Islamaphobe and racist, the Bigot and homophobe, the voilant anti UKIP thug needs love. Shine it all around UKIP-pal
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10:26am Fri 16 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm.

All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions.

To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website.

http://www.christian
sacrosswatford.org/

I hope someone asks
. Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development
. Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not?
. If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO?
. If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years?
. What will you do about traffic and parking?

Feel free to add your own....
Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm. All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions. To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website. http://www.christian sacrosswatford.org/ I hope someone asks . Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development . Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not? . If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO? . If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years? . What will you do about traffic and parking? Feel free to add your own.... Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Fri 16 May 14

angryangryangry says...

Phil Cox, when will you be canvassing in West Watford? The only candidates i have seen have been from Labour!

Also, here's a competition for all you would be mayor/councillors etc - see who can get the dumped car in Pretoria Road at the junction of Chester Road moved first. It has been there for about a month now - the only people who seem to have noticed it have been the traffic wardens....who put at least half a dozen tickets on it when it has clearly been dumped there, not even parked properly and is on a yellow line!

Whoever gets it moved first and claims it gets my vote!
Phil Cox, when will you be canvassing in West Watford? The only candidates i have seen have been from Labour! Also, here's a competition for all you would be mayor/councillors etc - see who can get the dumped car in Pretoria Road at the junction of Chester Road moved first. It has been there for about a month now - the only people who seem to have noticed it have been the traffic wardens....who put at least half a dozen tickets on it when it has clearly been dumped there, not even parked properly and is on a yellow line! Whoever gets it moved first and claims it gets my vote! angryangryangry
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Fri 16 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

I have done some canvassing around West Watford already, a bit of vicarage (as seen on BBC London News who interviewed me in Liverpool Road) and also some of Holywell, but you know it's a big place and there's only one of me.

Have a look at the Labour, LibDem and UKIP manifestos, what we would do if elected. That's the only real basis of selecting a Mayor.

Any party can remove a dumped car. Only UKIP can change the council for the better.

Vote UKIP.
I have done some canvassing around West Watford already, a bit of vicarage (as seen on BBC London News who interviewed me in Liverpool Road) and also some of Holywell, but you know it's a big place and there's only one of me. Have a look at the Labour, LibDem and UKIP manifestos, what we would do if elected. That's the only real basis of selecting a Mayor. Any party can remove a dumped car. Only UKIP can change the council for the better. Vote UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Fri 16 May 14

angryangryangry says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
I have done some canvassing around West Watford already, a bit of vicarage (as seen on BBC London News who interviewed me in Liverpool Road) and also some of Holywell, but you know it's a big place and there's only one of me.

Have a look at the Labour, LibDem and UKIP manifestos, what we would do if elected. That's the only real basis of selecting a Mayor.

Any party can remove a dumped car. Only UKIP can change the council for the better.

Vote UKIP.
Well clearly no party can get rid of the dumped car - its still there!

You're too busy hanging about in the town centre to canvas the rest of WW!
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I have done some canvassing around West Watford already, a bit of vicarage (as seen on BBC London News who interviewed me in Liverpool Road) and also some of Holywell, but you know it's a big place and there's only one of me. Have a look at the Labour, LibDem and UKIP manifestos, what we would do if elected. That's the only real basis of selecting a Mayor. Any party can remove a dumped car. Only UKIP can change the council for the better. Vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]Well clearly no party can get rid of the dumped car - its still there! You're too busy hanging about in the town centre to canvas the rest of WW! angryangryangry
  • Score: -1

12:52pm Fri 16 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

UKIP will be in the High Street outside the One Bell pub tomorrow morning and also in Oxhey, meeting the people. Why not join us?

From 9 in Oxhey, from 10 in Watford High Street.

I will be in Oxhey from 9 and the High Street from about 11:30.
UKIP will be in the High Street outside the One Bell pub tomorrow morning and also in Oxhey, meeting the people. Why not join us? From 9 in Oxhey, from 10 in Watford High Street. I will be in Oxhey from 9 and the High Street from about 11:30. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Fri 16 May 14

D_Penn says...

angryangryangry wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote: I have done some canvassing around West Watford already, a bit of vicarage (as seen on BBC London News who interviewed me in Liverpool Road) and also some of Holywell, but you know it's a big place and there's only one of me. Have a look at the Labour, LibDem and UKIP manifestos, what we would do if elected. That's the only real basis of selecting a Mayor. Any party can remove a dumped car. Only UKIP can change the council for the better. Vote UKIP.
Well clearly no party can get rid of the dumped car - its still there! You're too busy hanging about in the town centre to canvas the rest of WW!
Well, the LibDems are in charge of the Council, and Conservatives are running County Hall. If a dumped car is not being removed you should question the competence of those running the show.

If UKIP were running the council you could have talked to the Office of Common Sense. They would find out who was responsible and get it sorted rather than you have to do all the chasing.
[quote][p][bold]angryangryangry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: I have done some canvassing around West Watford already, a bit of vicarage (as seen on BBC London News who interviewed me in Liverpool Road) and also some of Holywell, but you know it's a big place and there's only one of me. Have a look at the Labour, LibDem and UKIP manifestos, what we would do if elected. That's the only real basis of selecting a Mayor. Any party can remove a dumped car. Only UKIP can change the council for the better. Vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]Well clearly no party can get rid of the dumped car - its still there! You're too busy hanging about in the town centre to canvas the rest of WW![/p][/quote]Well, the LibDems are in charge of the Council, and Conservatives are running County Hall. If a dumped car is not being removed you should question the competence of those running the show. If UKIP were running the council you could have talked to the Office of Common Sense. They would find out who was responsible and get it sorted rather than you have to do all the chasing. D_Penn
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Fri 16 May 14

angryangryangry says...

Come on Mr Cox, be a luvvie and get it moved for a vote!
Come on Mr Cox, be a luvvie and get it moved for a vote! angryangryangry
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Fri 16 May 14

D_Penn says...

angryangryangry wrote:
Come on Mr Cox, be a luvvie and get it moved for a vote!
Wrong way around, I'm afraid.

You have to vote for Phil Cox so that he is in the position to get it moved.

In the meantime, try telling ol' Thornhill that unless she gets it shifted, you'll vote UKIP. You'll probably find a group of Lib Dems in bright orange onesies turn up and wheel it off within half-an-hour. They're desperate for votes :)
[quote][p][bold]angryangryangry[/bold] wrote: Come on Mr Cox, be a luvvie and get it moved for a vote![/p][/quote]Wrong way around, I'm afraid. You have to vote for Phil Cox so that he is in the position to get it moved. In the meantime, try telling ol' Thornhill that unless she gets it shifted, you'll vote UKIP. You'll probably find a group of Lib Dems in bright orange onesies turn up and wheel it off within half-an-hour. They're desperate for votes :) D_Penn
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4:37pm Fri 16 May 14

angryangryangry says...

D_Penn wrote:
angryangryangry wrote:
Come on Mr Cox, be a luvvie and get it moved for a vote!
Wrong way around, I'm afraid.

You have to vote for Phil Cox so that he is in the position to get it moved.

In the meantime, try telling ol' Thornhill that unless she gets it shifted, you'll vote UKIP. You'll probably find a group of Lib Dems in bright orange onesies turn up and wheel it off within half-an-hour. They're desperate for votes :)
Yes and you will see a grinning pic of the candidates standing by it as it is lifted onto the lorry on some propaganda leaflet of all the wonderful things they have done! Seen so many of these leaflets through my door, especially just prior to election time - pics of them standing by a pothole that has been recently filled in, by fly tipped waste that they are getting taken away, all sorts of things - but ALWAYS with a gurning pic of them!
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angryangryangry[/bold] wrote: Come on Mr Cox, be a luvvie and get it moved for a vote![/p][/quote]Wrong way around, I'm afraid. You have to vote for Phil Cox so that he is in the position to get it moved. In the meantime, try telling ol' Thornhill that unless she gets it shifted, you'll vote UKIP. You'll probably find a group of Lib Dems in bright orange onesies turn up and wheel it off within half-an-hour. They're desperate for votes :)[/p][/quote]Yes and you will see a grinning pic of the candidates standing by it as it is lifted onto the lorry on some propaganda leaflet of all the wonderful things they have done! Seen so many of these leaflets through my door, especially just prior to election time - pics of them standing by a pothole that has been recently filled in, by fly tipped waste that they are getting taken away, all sorts of things - but ALWAYS with a gurning pic of them! angryangryangry
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12:08am Sat 17 May 14

D_Penn says...

@angryangryangry

I agree with you about the repetitive appearance of those infernal pictures of some idiot councillor standing victoriously over the site of a former pothole as if he'd slayed a dragon.

For goodness sake, the highways department are supposed to repair potholes, it's what they do. There is nothing to be triumphant about when the job is done just because maybe you were the one who phoned up about it and started off the process. It's hardly a water into wine miracle, but with unrelenting regularity, these grisly pictures roll off the political production line and onto doormats.

Place your bets now for when the next one will arrive.
@angryangryangry I agree with you about the repetitive appearance of those infernal pictures of some idiot councillor standing victoriously over the site of a former pothole as if he'd slayed a dragon. For goodness sake, the highways department are supposed to repair potholes, it's what they do. There is nothing to be triumphant about when the job is done just because maybe you were the one who phoned up about it and started off the process. It's hardly a water into wine miracle, but with unrelenting regularity, these grisly pictures roll off the political production line and onto doormats. Place your bets now for when the next one will arrive. D_Penn
  • Score: 0

10:37am Sat 17 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm.

All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions.

To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website.

http://www.christian

sacrosswatford.org/

I hope someone asks
. Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development
. Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not?
. If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO?
. If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years?
. What will you do about traffic and parking?

Feel free to add your own....
On if UK is Racist,


When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist.

http://imgur.com/cZk
gPoC

now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm. All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions. To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website. http://www.christian sacrosswatford.org/ I hope someone asks . Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development . Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not? . If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO? . If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years? . What will you do about traffic and parking? Feel free to add your own....[/p][/quote]On if UK is Racist, When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist. http://imgur.com/cZk gPoC now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG))))))) UKIP-pal
  • Score: 37

10:39am Sat 17 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm.

All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions.

To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website.

http://www.christian


sacrosswatford.org/

I hope someone asks
. Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development
. Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not?
. If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO?
. If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years?
. What will you do about traffic and parking?

Feel free to add your own....
On if UK is Racist,


When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist.

http://imgur.com/cZk

gPoC

now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))
opps missing an IP

ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm. All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions. To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website. http://www.christian sacrosswatford.org/ I hope someone asks . Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development . Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not? . If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO? . If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years? . What will you do about traffic and parking? Feel free to add your own....[/p][/quote]On if UK is Racist, When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist. http://imgur.com/cZk gPoC now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))[/p][/quote]opps missing an IP ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST UKIP-pal
  • Score: 43

1:16pm Mon 19 May 14

angryangryangry says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm.

All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions.

To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website.

http://www.christian



sacrosswatford.org/

I hope someone asks
. Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development
. Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not?
. If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO?
. If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years?
. What will you do about traffic and parking?

Feel free to add your own....
On if UK is Racist,


When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist.

http://imgur.com/cZk


gPoC

now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))
opps missing an IP

ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST
Phil - the car is still there! Sorry, no vote for you!
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm. All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions. To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website. http://www.christian sacrosswatford.org/ I hope someone asks . Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development . Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not? . If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO? . If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years? . What will you do about traffic and parking? Feel free to add your own....[/p][/quote]On if UK is Racist, When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist. http://imgur.com/cZk gPoC now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))[/p][/quote]opps missing an IP ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST[/p][/quote]Phil - the car is still there! Sorry, no vote for you! angryangryangry
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

angryangryangry wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm.

All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions.

To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website.

http://www.christian




sacrosswatford.org/

I hope someone asks
. Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development
. Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not?
. If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO?
. If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years?
. What will you do about traffic and parking?

Feel free to add your own....
On if UK is Racist,


When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist.

http://imgur.com/cZk



gPoC

now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))
opps missing an IP

ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST
Phil - the car is still there! Sorry, no vote for you!
Sorry about that, but nothing I can do until elected.

Your choice, the elected party that does nothing or a newly elected party, with your help, that will fix it.

You've got until Thursday to decide what sort of future you want for Watford.
[quote][p][bold]angryangryangry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm. All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions. To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website. http://www.christian sacrosswatford.org/ I hope someone asks . Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development . Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not? . If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO? . If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years? . What will you do about traffic and parking? Feel free to add your own....[/p][/quote]On if UK is Racist, When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist. http://imgur.com/cZk gPoC now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))[/p][/quote]opps missing an IP ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST[/p][/quote]Phil - the car is still there! Sorry, no vote for you![/p][/quote]Sorry about that, but nothing I can do until elected. Your choice, the elected party that does nothing or a newly elected party, with your help, that will fix it. You've got until Thursday to decide what sort of future you want for Watford. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Mon 19 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
angryangryangry wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm.

All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions.

To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website.

http://www.christian





sacrosswatford.org/

I hope someone asks
. Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development
. Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not?
. If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO?
. If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years?
. What will you do about traffic and parking?

Feel free to add your own....
On if UK is Racist,


When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist.

http://imgur.com/cZk




gPoC

now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))
opps missing an IP

ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST
Phil - the car is still there! Sorry, no vote for you!
Sorry about that, but nothing I can do until elected.

Your choice, the elected party that does nothing or a newly elected party, with your help, that will fix it.

You've got until Thursday to decide what sort of future you want for Watford.
I don't think Phil is fealing the love here, he has not grasped tthe nettle and got it sorted, man of inertia I think, not my job as I have not been elected,umm
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angryangryangry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm. All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions. To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website. http://www.christian sacrosswatford.org/ I hope someone asks . Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development . Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not? . If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO? . If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years? . What will you do about traffic and parking? Feel free to add your own....[/p][/quote]On if UK is Racist, When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist. http://imgur.com/cZk gPoC now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))[/p][/quote]opps missing an IP ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST[/p][/quote]Phil - the car is still there! Sorry, no vote for you![/p][/quote]Sorry about that, but nothing I can do until elected. Your choice, the elected party that does nothing or a newly elected party, with your help, that will fix it. You've got until Thursday to decide what sort of future you want for Watford.[/p][/quote]I don't think Phil is fealing the love here, he has not grasped tthe nettle and got it sorted, man of inertia I think, not my job as I have not been elected,umm UKIP-pal
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4:34pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Candidate video profiles on the WO. Have a look.

They're interesting.
Candidate video profiles on the WO. Have a look. They're interesting. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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9:20pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm.

All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions.

To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website.

http://www.christian



sacrosswatford.org/

I hope someone asks
. Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development
. Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not?
. If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO?
. If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years?
. What will you do about traffic and parking?

Feel free to add your own....
On if UK is Racist,


When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist.

http://imgur.com/cZk


gPoC

now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))
opps missing an IP

ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST
interesting post and at plus 43 rating prople feeling the love
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Mayoral hustings on Monday 19th May at St Thomas's Church, Langley Way, Watford, 8pm. All welcome, no need to book. I predict it will be the best one we have seen for years. Come and see the four Mayoral candidates answer your questions. To put your questions to the Mayoral candidates, use this website. http://www.christian sacrosswatford.org/ I hope someone asks . Whether there is a new hospital as part of the health campus development . Is it possible to save Farm Terrace allotments? If not, why not? . If elected as Mayor, will you serve the full term and pledge not to stand for MP in 2015? YES or NO? . If elected, what are your plans for council tax and business rates over the next 4 years? . What will you do about traffic and parking? Feel free to add your own....[/p][/quote]On if UK is Racist, When even "THE SUN" says well then you know, and today that extream left wing, looney left, Marxist rag "THE SUN" says Nigel Farage is racist. http://imgur.com/cZk gPoC now you guys really do need a ((((((HUG)))))))[/p][/quote]opps missing an IP ITS ON IF UKIP IS RACIST VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY LED BY A PERSON EVEN "THE SUN" SAYS IS RACIST[/p][/quote]interesting post and at plus 43 rating prople feeling the love ancientandageing
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