Ed Miliband's Watford General Hospital video provokes regeneration row

Richard Harrington

Richard Harrington

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Watford’s Conservative MP has reacted to a Labour political broadcast that accused the Coalition Government of "getting rid" of a plan to modernise Watford General Hospital.

Richard Harrington said the Government had invested money into improving parts of the hospital such as the maternity ward over the last four years.

He said that ministers were also waiting for the hospital to finish drawing up its proposals to rebuild the hospital before allocating cash for the long-awaited project.

Mr Harrington’s comments come after Labour aired a broadcast last week of the party leader, Ed Miliband’s, visit to the Vicarage Road hospital.

In the short film Mr Miliband said: "This hospital has really desperately needed modernisation. There was a plan under the last Labour government. It was got rid of by this government to modernise the hospital."

Responding to the video, Mr Harrington said: "It has been made very clear that the trust is currently in the process of putting together a clinical review to decide how they want hospital services to be delivered in the future, with input from doctors, nurses and other clinical staff.

"When this is done and there is a clear plan, the money will be requested for this to be put into action. The Secretary of State himself has stated that this is the case and that he is ready and waiting for it."

There have been plans to redevelop Watford General for over a decade under the health campus scheme. The last Labour government proposed building a new 600-bed hospital with 500 homes under a private finance initiative.

However that scheme was abandoned during the recession and the coalition Government has since ditched PFIs as a method of renewing hospitals.

In the meantime Watford Borough Council is now moving ahead with a new health campus scheme, which will see up to 750 homes built on the land behind the hospital.

Under this new scheme plans for the hospital are far less clear than before. Bosses at the trust in charge of Watford General say they won’t know what they want to do until they complete their clinical strategy - scheduled to be finished in mid 2015.

The Government has said it will not know how much money is available for the new hospital until the trust completes its strategy. The current health campus masterplan has left space for potential hospital developments.

Yet the new plan is facing a challenge in the High Court from allotment-holders as it involves building over the 118-year-old Farm Terrace Allotments.

Mr Harrington added: "Talk of past promises which weren’t delivered are one thing, I am more focused on delivery and action. The new birthing centre that has been mentioned, that was paid for by this Government with one of the largest grants in the country and is now open, the current multi million pound upgrade to the Hospital building has been paid for by this Government and will be finished next year with upgrades to the lifts, windows, operating theatres and more at Watford.

"Investment has happened under this Government, it is continuing to happen as we speak, and we are looking toward the long term with a clinical review being written to ensure that the delivery of healthcare in the future is the best it can be."

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12:19pm Mon 19 May 14

TRT says...

Typical. Two politicians saying exactly the same thing and at the same time accusing each other of something or other, I'm not sure what.

The fact of the matter is, gentlemen, that we don't have a new hospital, and if the proposed 750 home scheme goes ahead and raises the money for a new hospital, there won't be space for it anymore. NEW does not mean REFURBISHED. I'd buy you both dictionaries if you hadn't already claimed one on your expenses.
Typical. Two politicians saying exactly the same thing and at the same time accusing each other of something or other, I'm not sure what. The fact of the matter is, gentlemen, that we don't have a new hospital, and if the proposed 750 home scheme goes ahead and raises the money for a new hospital, there won't be space for it anymore. NEW does not mean REFURBISHED. I'd buy you both dictionaries if you hadn't already claimed one on your expenses. TRT
  • Score: 9

12:32pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

TRT wrote:
Typical. Two politicians saying exactly the same thing and at the same time accusing each other of something or other, I'm not sure what.

The fact of the matter is, gentlemen, that we don't have a new hospital, and if the proposed 750 home scheme goes ahead and raises the money for a new hospital, there won't be space for it anymore. NEW does not mean REFURBISHED. I'd buy you both dictionaries if you hadn't already claimed one on your expenses.
Very well said TRT. They are indeed as bad as each other.

I endorse all that you say. I have been saying exactly the same thing myself for some time now, apart from the dictionaries thing.

My understanding is that the NHS will not profit share from the 750 houses and so the development no longer benefits the hospital. The profits instead are now being split 50/50 between the developer (Kier) and the overdeveloper (LibDem run WBC).
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: Typical. Two politicians saying exactly the same thing and at the same time accusing each other of something or other, I'm not sure what. The fact of the matter is, gentlemen, that we don't have a new hospital, and if the proposed 750 home scheme goes ahead and raises the money for a new hospital, there won't be space for it anymore. NEW does not mean REFURBISHED. I'd buy you both dictionaries if you hadn't already claimed one on your expenses.[/p][/quote]Very well said TRT. They are indeed as bad as each other. I endorse all that you say. I have been saying exactly the same thing myself for some time now, apart from the dictionaries thing. My understanding is that the NHS will not profit share from the 750 houses and so the development no longer benefits the hospital. The profits instead are now being split 50/50 between the developer (Kier) and the overdeveloper (LibDem run WBC). Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 7

4:20pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

What the hospital will benefit from is space to develop their new facilities which would not be available were it not for the wider Health Campus scheme, plus of course the new access road and improved parking facilities which will benefit the hospital and West Watford residents by relieving congestion in their part of the town. Also there are the two new stations in West Watford which would not be happening at all if the Health Campus wasn't going ahead.
What the hospital will benefit from is space to develop their new facilities which would not be available were it not for the wider Health Campus scheme, plus of course the new access road and improved parking facilities which will benefit the hospital and West Watford residents by relieving congestion in their part of the town. Also there are the two new stations in West Watford which would not be happening at all if the Health Campus wasn't going ahead. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -3

4:33pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko, yes or no. Will there be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site?

Yes or no?
Wacko, yes or no. Will there be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site? Yes or no? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Mon 19 May 14

TRT says...

To quote the Fifth Doctor... "That's the trouble with regeneration. You never quite know what you're going to get."
To quote the Fifth Doctor... "That's the trouble with regeneration. You never quite know what you're going to get." TRT
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Mon 19 May 14

The Rover says...

Why not just build a new hospital somewhere else? Somewhere with less traffic and near a main road. Then we would not need an access road, the allotments could be left alone, and housing could be built where the existing hospital is. It would also reduce the traffic in West Watford.
Why not just build a new hospital somewhere else? Somewhere with less traffic and near a main road. Then we would not need an access road, the allotments could be left alone, and housing could be built where the existing hospital is. It would also reduce the traffic in West Watford. The Rover
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Wacko, yes or no. Will there be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site?

Yes or no?
Cox seems to think I'm a clairvoyant. The answer is in the hands of the hospital trust, but as I've written here before the Health Campus master plans allocate space for new hospital buildings, some of which will be on what is currently allotment land. These plans are in the public domain which you should should know as a Mayoral candidate. Exactly what medical facilities these new buildings will house will be decided by the trust when they complete their clinical strategy. So sorry, you'll have to wait and see whether the extent of their development of the hospital amounts to a 'new hospital' or not.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Wacko, yes or no. Will there be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site? Yes or no?[/p][/quote]Cox seems to think I'm a clairvoyant. The answer is in the hands of the hospital trust, but as I've written here before the Health Campus master plans allocate space for new hospital buildings, some of which will be on what is currently allotment land. These plans are in the public domain which you should should know as a Mayoral candidate. Exactly what medical facilities these new buildings will house will be decided by the trust when they complete their clinical strategy. So sorry, you'll have to wait and see whether the extent of their development of the hospital amounts to a 'new hospital' or not. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -3

6:10pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions.

Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site?

YES or NO?

You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading.

Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital?

YES or NO?
Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions. Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site? YES or NO? You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading. Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital? YES or NO? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

6:13pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

The Rover wrote:
Why not just build a new hospital somewhere else? Somewhere with less traffic and near a main road. Then we would not need an access road, the allotments could be left alone, and housing could be built where the existing hospital is. It would also reduce the traffic in West Watford.
I seem to recall that the good people of Watford (from all political persuasions) campaigned long and hard to retain the hospital in the town and quite right they were too. Many of the people in most need of medical help aren't able to drive and want to have their hospital close by or within a short walk, which a town centre location achieves. I really can't see why relocating allotments to new sites (plus a very generous financial compensation package and prepared plots etc as outlined in a letter to the Observer his week) is getting the very small minority of selfish plot holders in such a lather. There are thousands of Watford residents who urgently need better affordable homes and modernised hospital facilities. Rover needs to get his or her priorities right.
[quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: Why not just build a new hospital somewhere else? Somewhere with less traffic and near a main road. Then we would not need an access road, the allotments could be left alone, and housing could be built where the existing hospital is. It would also reduce the traffic in West Watford.[/p][/quote]I seem to recall that the good people of Watford (from all political persuasions) campaigned long and hard to retain the hospital in the town and quite right they were too. Many of the people in most need of medical help aren't able to drive and want to have their hospital close by or within a short walk, which a town centre location achieves. I really can't see why relocating allotments to new sites (plus a very generous financial compensation package and prepared plots etc as outlined in a letter to the Observer his week) is getting the very small minority of selfish plot holders in such a lather. There are thousands of Watford residents who urgently need better affordable homes and modernised hospital facilities. Rover needs to get his or her priorities right. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -4

6:18pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions.

Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site?

YES or NO?

You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading.

Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital?

YES or NO?
Cox, I'll keep it short as you clearly are having problems understanding me. The current Health Campus master plans include space for new hospital buildings.
I am partial to red shoes, but sorry I'm not Dorothy and sorry I don't think the new link road will be built from yellow brick.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions. Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site? YES or NO? You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading. Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital? YES or NO?[/p][/quote]Cox, I'll keep it short as you clearly are having problems understanding me. The current Health Campus master plans include space for new hospital buildings. I am partial to red shoes, but sorry I'm not Dorothy and sorry I don't think the new link road will be built from yellow brick. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -4

6:18pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions.

Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site?

YES or NO?

You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading.

Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital?

YES or NO?
the radio interview is available on www.ukip-warford.org
.uk.

It's worth listening to just to see how honest our Mayor is being with the people of Watford.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions. Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site? YES or NO? You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading. Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital? YES or NO?[/p][/quote]the radio interview is available on www.ukip-warford.org .uk. It's worth listening to just to see how honest our Mayor is being with the people of Watford. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

6:24pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions.

Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site?

YES or NO?

You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading.

Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital?

YES or NO?
Cox, I'll keep it short as you clearly are having problems understanding me. The current Health Campus master plans include space for new hospital buildings.
I am partial to red shoes, but sorry I'm not Dorothy and sorry I don't think the new link road will be built from yellow brick.
It would help if you were open and honest about answering.

So, the answers seem to be

NO, there will not definitely be a new hospital as part of the Health Campus.

NO, there is not room for a new hospital on the Health Campus, just hospital buildings. This effectively means there will never be a new hospital in West Watford on the Health Campus land.

To summarise then, they're building an absolutely huge housing estate without a hospital or room for a hospital in the future. The existing infrastructure is not sufficient to plant a further 750 homes in that area so a new road will be built but not everyone can drive on it. If you try you will be fined by big brother camera systems.

It doesn't look very well thought out from where I'm sitting.

I believe a lot of people in Watford agree with me.

It really is time for change in Watford, time for Dorothy to go.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Ok, my question left wiggle room. Here are two very clear questions. Will there definitely be a new hospital built on the Health Campus site? YES or NO? You say there is space for new hospital buildings, the self-same words used by Dorothy Thornhill on the radio when she was trying to avoid answering the question. Do you compare notes, or are you Dorothy? The radio presenter described the answers as misleading. Is there space in the plans for a new Hospital? YES or NO?[/p][/quote]Cox, I'll keep it short as you clearly are having problems understanding me. The current Health Campus master plans include space for new hospital buildings. I am partial to red shoes, but sorry I'm not Dorothy and sorry I don't think the new link road will be built from yellow brick.[/p][/quote]It would help if you were open and honest about answering. So, the answers seem to be NO, there will not definitely be a new hospital as part of the Health Campus. NO, there is not room for a new hospital on the Health Campus, just hospital buildings. This effectively means there will never be a new hospital in West Watford on the Health Campus land. To summarise then, they're building an absolutely huge housing estate without a hospital or room for a hospital in the future. The existing infrastructure is not sufficient to plant a further 750 homes in that area so a new road will be built but not everyone can drive on it. If you try you will be fined by big brother camera systems. It doesn't look very well thought out from where I'm sitting. I believe a lot of people in Watford agree with me. It really is time for change in Watford, time for Dorothy to go. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 7

6:46pm Mon 19 May 14

crazyfrog says...

The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse.
The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse. crazyfrog
  • Score: 5

6:49pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Or to put it another way, WBC is supporting the development of the Health Campus which will provide a large number of new homes including much needed affordable homes. (The total housing planned is approx 50% more than at Cassio Metro but the Health Campus is a much larger site) The campus also includes new local shops, new business units, a new access road which is for blue light vehicles and users of the campus, not through traffic, new public open spaces including public access to the river valley park, employment for approx 1600 people and last but not least, allocated sites which can accommodate new hospital buildings for the WHHT which will make a major contribution to the regeneration of Watford General Hospital. All this and more is already freely available for you to read on the Health Campus website here: http://watfordhealth
campus.info/ it is an incredibly important scheme for Watford and it's about time Cox gave it his backing rather than pandering to the 60 or so Farm Terrace campaigners. He'll need many more than their handful of votes if he wants to win.
Or to put it another way, WBC is supporting the development of the Health Campus which will provide a large number of new homes including much needed affordable homes. (The total housing planned is approx 50% more than at Cassio Metro but the Health Campus is a much larger site) The campus also includes new local shops, new business units, a new access road which is for blue light vehicles and users of the campus, not through traffic, new public open spaces including public access to the river valley park, employment for approx 1600 people and last but not least, allocated sites which can accommodate new hospital buildings for the WHHT which will make a major contribution to the regeneration of Watford General Hospital. All this and more is already freely available for you to read on the Health Campus website here: http://watfordhealth campus.info/ it is an incredibly important scheme for Watford and it's about time Cox gave it his backing rather than pandering to the 60 or so Farm Terrace campaigners. He'll need many more than their handful of votes if he wants to win. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -4

6:51pm Mon 19 May 14

crazyfrog says...

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http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/11 81946.Legal_dispute_ holds_up_new_beds/ crazyfrog
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6:56pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

crazyfrog wrote:
The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse.
Haven't you noticed the housing market is overheating? The widely accepted answer to the housing crisis is to build many more homes and begin to balance supply with demand. The Health Campus project has always been a comprehensive redevelopment - houses, local shops, places to work and the hospital.
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse.[/p][/quote]Haven't you noticed the housing market is overheating? The widely accepted answer to the housing crisis is to build many more homes and begin to balance supply with demand. The Health Campus project has always been a comprehensive redevelopment - houses, local shops, places to work and the hospital. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -3

7:04pm Mon 19 May 14

crazyfrog says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse.
Haven't you noticed the housing market is overheating? The widely accepted answer to the housing crisis is to build many more homes and begin to balance supply with demand. The Health Campus project has always been a comprehensive redevelopment - houses, local shops, places to work and the hospital.
So the answer is to build lots of new homes with thousands of new residents when the current hospital is struggling to cope with the current residents it's already servicing? When ambulances are tied up waiting to book patients in to the A+E that is already working to full capacity, clever very clever!!!
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse.[/p][/quote]Haven't you noticed the housing market is overheating? The widely accepted answer to the housing crisis is to build many more homes and begin to balance supply with demand. The Health Campus project has always been a comprehensive redevelopment - houses, local shops, places to work and the hospital.[/p][/quote]So the answer is to build lots of new homes with thousands of new residents when the current hospital is struggling to cope with the current residents it's already servicing? When ambulances are tied up waiting to book patients in to the A+E that is already working to full capacity, clever very clever!!! crazyfrog
  • Score: 1

10:38pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Or to put it another way, WBC is supporting the development of the Health Campus which will provide a large number of new homes including much needed affordable homes. (The total housing planned is approx 50% more than at Cassio Metro but the Health Campus is a much larger site) The campus also includes new local shops, new business units, a new access road which is for blue light vehicles and users of the campus, not through traffic, new public open spaces including public access to the river valley park, employment for approx 1600 people and last but not least, allocated sites which can accommodate new hospital buildings for the WHHT which will make a major contribution to the regeneration of Watford General Hospital. All this and more is already freely available for you to read on the Health Campus website here: http://watfordhealth

campus.info/ it is an incredibly important scheme for Watford and it's about time Cox gave it his backing rather than pandering to the 60 or so Farm Terrace campaigners. He'll need many more than their handful of votes if he wants to win.
I will never back the scheme unless it includes provision for a new hospital.

Dorothy admitted in public this evening that there is no new hospital.

We in UKIP believe in principles and the rule of law. It's actually more important than the money from planning gain.

Yet another reason to vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Or to put it another way, WBC is supporting the development of the Health Campus which will provide a large number of new homes including much needed affordable homes. (The total housing planned is approx 50% more than at Cassio Metro but the Health Campus is a much larger site) The campus also includes new local shops, new business units, a new access road which is for blue light vehicles and users of the campus, not through traffic, new public open spaces including public access to the river valley park, employment for approx 1600 people and last but not least, allocated sites which can accommodate new hospital buildings for the WHHT which will make a major contribution to the regeneration of Watford General Hospital. All this and more is already freely available for you to read on the Health Campus website here: http://watfordhealth campus.info/ it is an incredibly important scheme for Watford and it's about time Cox gave it his backing rather than pandering to the 60 or so Farm Terrace campaigners. He'll need many more than their handful of votes if he wants to win.[/p][/quote]I will never back the scheme unless it includes provision for a new hospital. Dorothy admitted in public this evening that there is no new hospital. We in UKIP believe in principles and the rule of law. It's actually more important than the money from planning gain. Yet another reason to vote UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

10:39pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse.
Haven't you noticed the housing market is overheating? The widely accepted answer to the housing crisis is to build many more homes and begin to balance supply with demand. The Health Campus project has always been a comprehensive redevelopment - houses, local shops, places to work and the hospital.
No new hospital, Dorothy says so.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: The question is what is the rush with the housing development? Why don't the council wait until the clinical review is completed and the government has agreed the funds before thinking about housing in the hospital area? The housing should be the last of the building stage talk about putting the cart before the horse.[/p][/quote]Haven't you noticed the housing market is overheating? The widely accepted answer to the housing crisis is to build many more homes and begin to balance supply with demand. The Health Campus project has always been a comprehensive redevelopment - houses, local shops, places to work and the hospital.[/p][/quote]No new hospital, Dorothy says so. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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10:46pm Mon 19 May 14

The Rover says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
The Rover wrote:
Why not just build a new hospital somewhere else? Somewhere with less traffic and near a main road. Then we would not need an access road, the allotments could be left alone, and housing could be built where the existing hospital is. It would also reduce the traffic in West Watford.
I seem to recall that the good people of Watford (from all political persuasions) campaigned long and hard to retain the hospital in the town and quite right they were too. Many of the people in most need of medical help aren't able to drive and want to have their hospital close by or within a short walk, which a town centre location achieves. I really can't see why relocating allotments to new sites (plus a very generous financial compensation package and prepared plots etc as outlined in a letter to the Observer his week) is getting the very small minority of selfish plot holders in such a lather. There are thousands of Watford residents who urgently need better affordable homes and modernised hospital facilities. Rover needs to get his or her priorities right.
Wacko Jacko, accept the fact that the new hospital is very unlikely to happen. We are facing the prospect of a health campus which consists of 750 new homes and no new hospital. Instead of building a new access road to a health campus that doesn't exist why not build a new hospital elsewhere. A new hospital halfway between Watford and St.Albans could, in many cases, be accessed quicker than the existing site, and have improved access from the M1 and M25 without any new roads having to be built.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Rover[/bold] wrote: Why not just build a new hospital somewhere else? Somewhere with less traffic and near a main road. Then we would not need an access road, the allotments could be left alone, and housing could be built where the existing hospital is. It would also reduce the traffic in West Watford.[/p][/quote]I seem to recall that the good people of Watford (from all political persuasions) campaigned long and hard to retain the hospital in the town and quite right they were too. Many of the people in most need of medical help aren't able to drive and want to have their hospital close by or within a short walk, which a town centre location achieves. I really can't see why relocating allotments to new sites (plus a very generous financial compensation package and prepared plots etc as outlined in a letter to the Observer his week) is getting the very small minority of selfish plot holders in such a lather. There are thousands of Watford residents who urgently need better affordable homes and modernised hospital facilities. Rover needs to get his or her priorities right.[/p][/quote]Wacko Jacko, accept the fact that the new hospital is very unlikely to happen. We are facing the prospect of a health campus which consists of 750 new homes and no new hospital. Instead of building a new access road to a health campus that doesn't exist why not build a new hospital elsewhere. A new hospital halfway between Watford and St.Albans could, in many cases, be accessed quicker than the existing site, and have improved access from the M1 and M25 without any new roads having to be built. The Rover
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11:40pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

So Cox won't back the scheme without a new hospital. What does he mean by that I wonder, is he opposed to any improvements to the existing facilities? Is he opposed to new buildings which allow older worn-out facilities to be decanted and progressively renewed? What percentage of new buildings does it take for a hospital to be 'new' in the black or white UKIP world occupied by Cox? I wonder why he doesn't support the WHHT and allow them the time they need to develop their strategy before jumping in with his poorly infomed opinions. I suspect they know rather better than he does what the hospital needs from it's location in Watford.
A UKIP win or a Labour win for that matter would sound the death knell of the project . Keep the Health Campus alive and vote LibDem.
So Cox won't back the scheme without a new hospital. What does he mean by that I wonder, is he opposed to any improvements to the existing facilities? Is he opposed to new buildings which allow older worn-out facilities to be decanted and progressively renewed? What percentage of new buildings does it take for a hospital to be 'new' in the black or white UKIP world occupied by Cox? I wonder why he doesn't support the WHHT and allow them the time they need to develop their strategy before jumping in with his poorly infomed opinions. I suspect they know rather better than he does what the hospital needs from it's location in Watford. A UKIP win or a Labour win for that matter would sound the death knell of the project . Keep the Health Campus alive and vote LibDem. Wacko Jacko
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11:50pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

How stupid is it to build houses over a site that could hold a new hospital?

Ask the LibDems, it's their idea.

Then vote UKIP.
How stupid is it to build houses over a site that could hold a new hospital? Ask the LibDems, it's their idea. Then vote UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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