Watford mayoral candidates face off in hustings debate

Watford mayoral candidates face off in hustings debate

Watford mayoral candidates face off in hustings debate

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

The four candidates hoping to hold the top political job in Watford are due to face each other in a mayoral hustings debate tonight.

The current Liberal Democrat incumbent, Dorothy Thornhill, will meet her three challengers at St Thomas’ Church, in Langley Way, from 8pm tonight.

Voters are due to go to the polls in the town’s fourth mayoral election on Thursday.

Follow the action tonight live below from the church as she debates with Labour’s Jagtar Singh Dhindsa, Conservative Linda Topping, and Phil Cox from the UK Independence party.

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11:07pm Mon 19 May 14

Darren Watford says...

Entertaining eve but I have to say, it seems a lot of people are stuck in the past in Watford. 'Save the market'! 'Save the allotments' Its not 1945 anymore people, things need to be updated and change. Not necessarily for us but those younger who. if certain more vocal people in the room get their way (the blonde in particular), will still be left with a past it hospital and a market no ones goes to
Entertaining eve but I have to say, it seems a lot of people are stuck in the past in Watford. 'Save the market'! 'Save the allotments' Its not 1945 anymore people, things need to be updated and change. Not necessarily for us but those younger who. if certain more vocal people in the room get their way (the blonde in particular), will still be left with a past it hospital and a market no ones goes to Darren Watford
  • Score: -12

11:16pm Mon 19 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Darren Watford wrote:
Entertaining eve but I have to say, it seems a lot of people are stuck in the past in Watford. 'Save the market'! 'Save the allotments' Its not 1945 anymore people, things need to be updated and change. Not necessarily for us but those younger who. if certain more vocal people in the room get their way (the blonde in particular), will still be left with a past it hospital and a market no ones goes to
Markets are popular if done properly.

Expect to see Watford Market be an expensive failure under the LibDems.

Allotments harm no-one, they should be left alone for those who want them.

The reason they are hot topics is because the LibDem council are ruining them. If they were managed properly they would never have even been mentioned and we could have moved on to more interesting subjects like democracy, openness, honesty and the cost of the council.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Watford[/bold] wrote: Entertaining eve but I have to say, it seems a lot of people are stuck in the past in Watford. 'Save the market'! 'Save the allotments' Its not 1945 anymore people, things need to be updated and change. Not necessarily for us but those younger who. if certain more vocal people in the room get their way (the blonde in particular), will still be left with a past it hospital and a market no ones goes to[/p][/quote]Markets are popular if done properly. Expect to see Watford Market be an expensive failure under the LibDems. Allotments harm no-one, they should be left alone for those who want them. The reason they are hot topics is because the LibDem council are ruining them. If they were managed properly they would never have even been mentioned and we could have moved on to more interesting subjects like democracy, openness, honesty and the cost of the council. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 10

11:48pm Mon 19 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.
Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -10

11:56pm Mon 19 May 14

Andy Wylie says...

Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said.
Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got.
The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job!
Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now.
Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said. Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got. The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job! Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now. Andy Wylie
  • Score: 7

12:58am Tue 20 May 14

D_Penn says...

The evening was well contested except for the disgraceful attack on UKIP by the ignorant who were once again trying to convince others that we are a racist party. Anyone with a modicom of intelligence and ability to bother to discover the truth rather than accepting the rubbish in the media would know that the vast majority of UKIP people are against racism and will boot out of teh party anyone who is racist.

We are currently at the height of the slur season as media and other parties are so terrified of UKIP's success that behind the scenes deals have been done to try to damage us.

Peter Hitchens is a man who writes for the mail on Sunday and has honourably broken ranks to highlight the disgraceful behaviour going on behind the scenes.

I do not agree with his opening paragraph, but I very much appreciated his piece because it took great courage to write the truth. I believe this is essential reading for all those who fear that democracy is under threat from self- interested groups.

The heading was... "Here is the best reason for voting UKIP"

"I don't like UKIP or its leader, Nigel Farage. They are the Dad’s Army of British politics, doddery, farcical and very unclear about what they are actually for.
But they have Captain Mainwaring’s virtues too. They are absolutely certain about what they are against, in this case an aloof political establishment that despises the concerns of normal human beings.
They are also indomitable when under attack. And they need to be. I have taken a close interest in British politics since I was a schoolboy, and I have never seen a more disgraceful alliance between politicians and their media toadies than the one that has been secretly made to do down UKIP.
On one day last week, almost every unpopular newspaper carried a cartoon portraying Nigel Farage as ugly, stupid or embattled, or all three.
Last Wednesday, the insider magazine Private Eye also claimed that the Leftist daily The Guardian had made a secret deal with the Tory Party, which claims to be conservative.
The Tories, it was alleged, had promised the favourite newspaper of the liberal elite a steady supply of damaging stories about UKIP candidates saying daft things (Tories, of course, never say daft things). In return, the newspaper had promised to avoid identifying the source.
Such stories are immediately picked up by BBC radio and TV news channels, which view The Guardian as sacred text. Asked about the allegation, The Guardian drew itself up to its full height and snapped: ‘The Guardian does not disclose its sources.’ (A certain Sarah Tisdall, who went to prison 30 years ago after The Guardian handed over documents that disclosed her as its source, might disagree.)
Well, there you have it. The Tory Party and The Guardian (and the BBC) are all united against UKIP. That would seem the best possible reason to vote UKIP. It also tells you who and what the Conservative Party really is."

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The evening was well contested except for the disgraceful attack on UKIP by the ignorant who were once again trying to convince others that we are a racist party. Anyone with a modicom of intelligence and ability to bother to discover the truth rather than accepting the rubbish in the media would know that the vast majority of UKIP people are against racism and will boot out of teh party anyone who is racist. We are currently at the height of the slur season as media and other parties are so terrified of UKIP's success that behind the scenes deals have been done to try to damage us. Peter Hitchens is a man who writes for the mail on Sunday and has honourably broken ranks to highlight the disgraceful behaviour going on behind the scenes. I do not agree with his opening paragraph, but I very much appreciated his piece because it took great courage to write the truth. I believe this is essential reading for all those who fear that democracy is under threat from self- interested groups. The heading was... "Here is the best reason for voting UKIP" "I don't like UKIP or its leader, Nigel Farage. They are the Dad’s Army of British politics, doddery, farcical and very unclear about what they are actually for. But they have Captain Mainwaring’s virtues too. They are absolutely certain about what they are against, in this case an aloof political establishment that despises the concerns of normal human beings. They are also indomitable when under attack. And they need to be. I have taken a close interest in British politics since I was a schoolboy, and I have never seen a more disgraceful alliance between politicians and their media toadies than the one that has been secretly made to do down UKIP. On one day last week, almost every unpopular newspaper carried a cartoon portraying Nigel Farage as ugly, stupid or embattled, or all three. Last Wednesday, the insider magazine Private Eye also claimed that the Leftist daily The Guardian had made a secret deal with the Tory Party, which claims to be conservative. The Tories, it was alleged, had promised the favourite newspaper of the liberal elite a steady supply of damaging stories about UKIP candidates saying daft things (Tories, of course, never say daft things). In return, the newspaper had promised to avoid identifying the source. Such stories are immediately picked up by BBC radio and TV news channels, which view The Guardian as sacred text. Asked about the allegation, The Guardian drew itself up to its full height and snapped: ‘The Guardian does not disclose its sources.’ (A certain Sarah Tisdall, who went to prison 30 years ago after The Guardian handed over documents that disclosed her as its source, might disagree.) Well, there you have it. The Tory Party and The Guardian (and the BBC) are all united against UKIP. That would seem the best possible reason to vote UKIP. It also tells you who and what the Conservative Party really is." Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/debate/articl e-2631545/PETER-HITC HENS-Fair-taxes-They re-likely-Osborne-jo ining-Take-That.html #ixzz32D1IYuvP Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook" D_Penn
  • Score: -2

6:43am Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo
rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars.

But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written.
Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars. But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written. Sara
  • Score: 5

6:57am Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Beyond the trolling on here from our political opponents, two of whom above, there is also a scheme going around where people are putting leaflets on lamposts and the like saying things like get rid of foreigners. I spoke to a few people this evening who had seen them and Dorothy said it was no co-incidence that this was happening as UKIP were standing. Outrageous lie from the LibDems!

One has to ask, who could possibly benefit from putting up such posters and spreading fear? I have seen trolls on here, purportedly from Labour, doing similar things with postings.

All I know is there is a very dirty campaign going on here in Watford. The only people I know for sure are not putting these posters up is UKIP.

Dorothy seemed to know a lot about it and Jagtar was quick to throw the racist card on the table too. Dirty tricks, would you want any party like that to run Watford?

Vote UKIP!
phil it's not just watford where UKIP are getting attacked and smeared it appears to be happening all over, there's a real lot of scared lab,lib and Tories running scared at the moment and they are resorting to a lot more desperate tactics day by bay as the elections come closer I still think it's going to get a lot dirtier upto Thursdays elections, UKIP are riding high in the polls at the moment, UKIP are getting it from all angles because lab.lib and Tories have all enrtrenched media support , labour and lib have bbc supported whilst the Tories are supported by Londons LBC radio and rupert murdochs sky news and that excludes the newspapers, thing is people are not stupid and can tell that there are trolls everywhere at the moment with one aim to derail UKIP from as many votes as possible so I think the trolling will backfire !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Beyond the trolling on here from our political opponents, two of whom above, there is also a scheme going around where people are putting leaflets on lamposts and the like saying things like get rid of foreigners. I spoke to a few people this evening who had seen them and Dorothy said it was no co-incidence that this was happening as UKIP were standing. Outrageous lie from the LibDems! One has to ask, who could possibly benefit from putting up such posters and spreading fear? I have seen trolls on here, purportedly from Labour, doing similar things with postings. All I know is there is a very dirty campaign going on here in Watford. The only people I know for sure are not putting these posters up is UKIP. Dorothy seemed to know a lot about it and Jagtar was quick to throw the racist card on the table too. Dirty tricks, would you want any party like that to run Watford? Vote UKIP![/p][/quote]phil it's not just watford where UKIP are getting attacked and smeared it appears to be happening all over, there's a real lot of scared lab,lib and Tories running scared at the moment and they are resorting to a lot more desperate tactics day by bay as the elections come closer I still think it's going to get a lot dirtier upto Thursdays elections, UKIP are riding high in the polls at the moment, UKIP are getting it from all angles because lab.lib and Tories have all enrtrenched media support , labour and lib have bbc supported whilst the Tories are supported by Londons LBC radio and rupert murdochs sky news and that excludes the newspapers, thing is people are not stupid and can tell that there are trolls everywhere at the moment with one aim to derail UKIP from as many votes as possible so I think the trolling will backfire !!!! crazyfrog
  • Score: 2

7:01am Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

Sara wrote:
Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo

rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars.

But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written.
Sara i agree I don't think local politicians are involved but imagine some of their more extreme misguided followers maybe
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars. But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written.[/p][/quote]Sara i agree I don't think local politicians are involved but imagine some of their more extreme misguided followers maybe crazyfrog
  • Score: 0

7:08am Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

Sara wrote:
Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo

rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars.

But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written.
RE the posters, seems strange these racists start posting everywhere when an election is looming but they cut down posting on mass when there isn't an election.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars. But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written.[/p][/quote]RE the posters, seems strange these racists start posting everywhere when an election is looming but they cut down posting on mass when there isn't an election. crazyfrog
  • Score: 0

7:49am Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

@crazyfrog I'm talking about posters as physical pieces of paper, not people who make postings.

But some human posters are like some politicians - they only come out at election time.
@crazyfrog I'm talking about posters as physical pieces of paper, not people who make postings. But some human posters are like some politicians - they only come out at election time. Sara
  • Score: 1

7:52am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Andy Wylie wrote:
Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said.
Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got.
The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job!
Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now.
Please make sure you pass that message around your party too Andy. We know your party has the most to lose and your party has a reputation for dirty tricks at election time.

I am more than a little disturbed that Dorothy jumped on that bandwagon a little too enthusiastically.

I had not even known about the posters, why was this not in the press?
[quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said. Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got. The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job! Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now.[/p][/quote]Please make sure you pass that message around your party too Andy. We know your party has the most to lose and your party has a reputation for dirty tricks at election time. I am more than a little disturbed that Dorothy jumped on that bandwagon a little too enthusiastically. I had not even known about the posters, why was this not in the press? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

8:02am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Also, why do you class it as a private enterprise when it is only the parties that have got anything to gain by spreading such wicked lies?
Also, why do you class it as a private enterprise when it is only the parties that have got anything to gain by spreading such wicked lies? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

8:05am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo

rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars.

But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written.
Really Sara? Really?

I would take a bet that you are 100% wrong.

there are some sick people in politics in Watford for whom winning means more than truth, honesty and dignity.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Andy is right, certainly no one from mainstream parties in Watford would be invoked after the antics of the former Conserrvative candidate Ian Oakley. Lest people have forgotten, he carried out such lovely activities as painting words such as 'paedo' on front doors and walls, distributed anonymous letters around where candidates/councillo rs lived accusing them of abusing children or being wife-beaters, and loosened wheel nuts on cars. But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written.[/p][/quote]Really Sara? Really? I would take a bet that you are 100% wrong. there are some sick people in politics in Watford for whom winning means more than truth, honesty and dignity. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

8:25am Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

Name and shame the 'sick people' you are talking about, or retract your smears.

A Watford Lib Dem moved hundreds of miles away because he couldn't stay in an area where neighbours had been sent letters saying (totally without foundation) that he was a wife beater. I narrowly avoided a serious accident with my then young daughter in the car, after my wheel nuts were dangerously loosened on my car. Other vile things happened. A total of over 150 such things that the police recorded and accepted as crimes.

All the time, other parties denied it was happening, or accused us of attention seeking. Yet the Conservative parliamentary candidate eventually admitted and plead guilty to over 50 'specimen' offences.

I and my colleagues would never have done such a thing in any case, but I'm even more certain we wouldn't now.
Name and shame the 'sick people' you are talking about, or retract your smears. A Watford Lib Dem moved hundreds of miles away because he couldn't stay in an area where neighbours had been sent letters saying (totally without foundation) that he was a wife beater. I narrowly avoided a serious accident with my then young daughter in the car, after my wheel nuts were dangerously loosened on my car. Other vile things happened. A total of over 150 such things that the police recorded and accepted as crimes. All the time, other parties denied it was happening, or accused us of attention seeking. Yet the Conservative parliamentary candidate eventually admitted and plead guilty to over 50 'specimen' offences. I and my colleagues would never have done such a thing in any case, but I'm even more certain we wouldn't now. Sara
  • Score: 5

8:59am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced
electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life."

words of a troll, a reverse troll, double troll, libdem spy, nope the words of Patrick O'Flynn UKIP lead MEP candidate in Eastern region.

Phil cox wants you to vote for him

VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA
"Muslim urban ghettos have also reintroduced electoral fraud as a regular feature of British political life." words of a troll, a reverse troll, double troll, libdem spy, nope the words of Patrick O'Flynn UKIP lead MEP candidate in Eastern region. Phil cox wants you to vote for him VOTE UKIP GET ISLAMAPHOBIA UKIP-pal
  • Score: -3

9:03am Tue 20 May 14

D_Penn says...

I don't want to see this argument get overheated.

All parties have members and supporters who are not nice people and, in some cases, are downright evil. The problem is those that are very good at hiding it. The openly nasty person we can all deal with, but it's the individual who goes around with smiles and warm handshakes whilst secretly using lies and criminal antics to try to destroy people that we all have to be on our guard against.

In UKIP, we are being heavily targetted by these sorts of people right now because they will use any spiteful and deceitful method they can to try to stop us gaining support. They are not interested in our policies that, at heart, are for the benefit of all living in Britain, be they first generation immigrants or people who can trace their heritage back to the domesday book. All they care about is furthering their own position by using whatever warped scheme they can come up with to cause trouble.

Fortunately, the vast majority out there are good people who understand that we are truly an anti-racist party. That does not mean that they will agree with our policies and will vote for us, which is fine because that's how democracy works, but at least they give us a fair hearing.
I don't want to see this argument get overheated. All parties have members and supporters who are not nice people and, in some cases, are downright evil. The problem is those that are very good at hiding it. The openly nasty person we can all deal with, but it's the individual who goes around with smiles and warm handshakes whilst secretly using lies and criminal antics to try to destroy people that we all have to be on our guard against. In UKIP, we are being heavily targetted by these sorts of people right now because they will use any spiteful and deceitful method they can to try to stop us gaining support. They are not interested in our policies that, at heart, are for the benefit of all living in Britain, be they first generation immigrants or people who can trace their heritage back to the domesday book. All they care about is furthering their own position by using whatever warped scheme they can come up with to cause trouble. Fortunately, the vast majority out there are good people who understand that we are truly an anti-racist party. That does not mean that they will agree with our policies and will vote for us, which is fine because that's how democracy works, but at least they give us a fair hearing. D_Penn
  • Score: 3

9:08am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

special "charter of Muslim understanding",to by signed by muslims

words of a troll, a reverse troll, double troll, libdem spy, nope the words Gerard Batten MEP, Ukip's (or one time) immigration spokesman


Gerard Batten, Ukip's immigration spokesman

VOTE UKIP
special "charter of Muslim understanding",to by signed by muslims words of a troll, a reverse troll, double troll, libdem spy, nope the words Gerard Batten MEP, Ukip's (or one time) immigration spokesman Gerard Batten, Ukip's immigration spokesman VOTE UKIP UKIP-pal
  • Score: -3

9:13am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

D_Penn wrote:
I don't want to see this argument get overheated.

All parties have members and supporters who are not nice people and, in some cases, are downright evil. The problem is those that are very good at hiding it. The openly nasty person we can all deal with, but it's the individual who goes around with smiles and warm handshakes whilst secretly using lies and criminal antics to try to destroy people that we all have to be on our guard against.

In UKIP, we are being heavily targetted by these sorts of people right now because they will use any spiteful and deceitful method they can to try to stop us gaining support. They are not interested in our policies that, at heart, are for the benefit of all living in Britain, be they first generation immigrants or people who can trace their heritage back to the domesday book. All they care about is furthering their own position by using whatever warped scheme they can come up with to cause trouble.

Fortunately, the vast majority out there are good people who understand that we are truly an anti-racist party. That does not mean that they will agree with our policies and will vote for us, which is fine because that's how democracy works, but at least they give us a fair hearing.
the thing is david penn


THEY DON'T HAVE THE HUGE AMOUNTS YOUR PARTY DOES ANMD THEY DON'T HAVE THEM IN THE MOST SENIOR POSSITIONS,

lets face it even as well as the MEP and soon to be MEP qouted even the sun "THE SUN" SAYS your leader is racist

VOTE UKIP get a party even THE SUN SAYS IS LED BY A RACIST
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I don't want to see this argument get overheated. All parties have members and supporters who are not nice people and, in some cases, are downright evil. The problem is those that are very good at hiding it. The openly nasty person we can all deal with, but it's the individual who goes around with smiles and warm handshakes whilst secretly using lies and criminal antics to try to destroy people that we all have to be on our guard against. In UKIP, we are being heavily targetted by these sorts of people right now because they will use any spiteful and deceitful method they can to try to stop us gaining support. They are not interested in our policies that, at heart, are for the benefit of all living in Britain, be they first generation immigrants or people who can trace their heritage back to the domesday book. All they care about is furthering their own position by using whatever warped scheme they can come up with to cause trouble. Fortunately, the vast majority out there are good people who understand that we are truly an anti-racist party. That does not mean that they will agree with our policies and will vote for us, which is fine because that's how democracy works, but at least they give us a fair hearing.[/p][/quote]the thing is david penn THEY DON'T HAVE THE HUGE AMOUNTS YOUR PARTY DOES ANMD THEY DON'T HAVE THEM IN THE MOST SENIOR POSSITIONS, lets face it even as well as the MEP and soon to be MEP qouted even the sun "THE SUN" SAYS your leader is racist VOTE UKIP get a party even THE SUN SAYS IS LED BY A RACIST UKIP-pal
  • Score: -3

9:15am Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP? Sara
  • Score: 3

9:32am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Not only do they get racist voters

But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers!

http://www.hopenotha
te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn
p-councillor-signs-u
kip-nomination-paper
s-3755

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Not only do they get racist voters But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers! http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn p-councillor-signs-u kip-nomination-paper s-3755 VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR UKIP-pal
  • Score: 2

9:44am Tue 20 May 14

Darren Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.
It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!)

Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans.

As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.[/p][/quote]It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!) Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans. As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration Darren Watford
  • Score: -6

9:47am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Darren Watford wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.
It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!)

Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans.

As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration
except of corse that there is no new hospital, just a commercial devolopment of houses!
[quote][p][bold]Darren Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.[/p][/quote]It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!) Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans. As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration[/p][/quote]except of corse that there is no new hospital, just a commercial devolopment of houses! UKIP-pal
  • Score: 1

9:54am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party.

End of.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party. End of. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

9:54am Tue 20 May 14

D_Penn says...

Sara wrote: "But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written."

Just because some disgusting people are going around putting up inflammatory posters, you cannot try to blame UKIP. The most likely explanation is that it is being done to try to get UKIP the blame and people like you are gullible enough to support that view.

Worse, by your very support you are convincing these people their plot is working. You are therefore indirectly encouraging them to carry on putting up posters that are designed to annoy and upset the local community.

You, and all Watford politicians would better serve the community by condemning absolutely what these noxious individuals are doing rather than trying to make political capital against UKIP.
Sara wrote: "But probably the reason why such posters are going up in areas where UKIP is campaigning is that racists are voting for UKIP. And before anyone jumps at me, just note what I have actually written." Just because some disgusting people are going around putting up inflammatory posters, you cannot try to blame UKIP. The most likely explanation is that it is being done to try to get UKIP the blame and people like you are gullible enough to support that view. Worse, by your very support you are convincing these people their plot is working. You are therefore indirectly encouraging them to carry on putting up posters that are designed to annoy and upset the local community. You, and all Watford politicians would better serve the community by condemning absolutely what these noxious individuals are doing rather than trying to make political capital against UKIP. D_Penn
  • Score: 3

9:58am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Darren Watford wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.
It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!)

Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans.

As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration
Why would you say such a thing? Were you not listening?

THERE IS NO NEW HOSPITAL.

Dorothy finally admitted it.

Therefore no need to lose the allotments.

Even if there were a new hospital there is no need to lose the allotments.

If you were there, the argument could not have been clearer and Dorothy clearly lost the argument.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.[/p][/quote]It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!) Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans. As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration[/p][/quote]Why would you say such a thing? Were you not listening? THERE IS NO NEW HOSPITAL. Dorothy finally admitted it. Therefore no need to lose the allotments. Even if there were a new hospital there is no need to lose the allotments. If you were there, the argument could not have been clearer and Dorothy clearly lost the argument. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

10:01am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party.

End of.
nope its just not the end of is it??

Not only do they get racist voters

But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers!

http://www.hopenotha

te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn

p-councillor-signs-u

kip-nomination-paper

s-3755

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party. End of.[/p][/quote]nope its just not the end of is it?? Not only do they get racist voters But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers! http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn p-councillor-signs-u kip-nomination-paper s-3755 VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR UKIP-pal
  • Score: 0

10:08am Tue 20 May 14

Harry Caine says...

Andy Wylie wrote:
Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said.
Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got.
The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job!
Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now.
Talking of dodgy dealings, perhaps Wylie might tell us when the Lib Dems will return the £2.4 million donation from Michael Brown they are sitting on which he stole in the first place
[quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said. Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got. The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job! Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now.[/p][/quote]Talking of dodgy dealings, perhaps Wylie might tell us when the Lib Dems will return the £2.4 million donation from Michael Brown they are sitting on which he stole in the first place Harry Caine
  • Score: 2

10:09am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party.

End of.
nope its just not the end of is it??

Not only do they get racist voters

But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers!

http://www.hopenotha


te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn


p-councillor-signs-u


kip-nomination-paper


s-3755

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR
Pathetic smear.

again.
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party. End of.[/p][/quote]nope its just not the end of is it?? Not only do they get racist voters But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers! http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn p-councillor-signs-u kip-nomination-paper s-3755 VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR[/p][/quote]Pathetic smear. again. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

10:26am Tue 20 May 14

Andy Wylie says...

I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either.
Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years.
I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time.
I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either. Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years. I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time. Andy Wylie
  • Score: 6

10:29am Tue 20 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Darren Watford wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.
It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!)

Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans.

As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration
Why would you say such a thing? Were you not listening?

THERE IS NO NEW HOSPITAL.

Dorothy finally admitted it.

Therefore no need to lose the allotments.

Even if there were a new hospital there is no need to lose the allotments.

If you were there, the argument could not have been clearer and Dorothy clearly lost the argument.
Cox is the one who's not listening, he's like a stuck record on the 'New Hospital' issue. What the people of Watford want is an excellent modern hospital close to where they live (not miles away near St. Albans), which is exactly what the Health Campus will deliver, along with new market housing, new affordable housing, local shops, new stations, new businesses, new employment opportunities, new open spaces and public access to the river valley, a new access road relieving pressure on West Watford, in short a whole new town district, which UKIP will scrap because a small number of allotment holders have to move to new plots and the hospital will be the existing one redeveloped, not totally brand new. A vote for UKIP is a denial of the prosperous future West Watford deserves.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.[/p][/quote]It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!) Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans. As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration[/p][/quote]Why would you say such a thing? Were you not listening? THERE IS NO NEW HOSPITAL. Dorothy finally admitted it. Therefore no need to lose the allotments. Even if there were a new hospital there is no need to lose the allotments. If you were there, the argument could not have been clearer and Dorothy clearly lost the argument.[/p][/quote]Cox is the one who's not listening, he's like a stuck record on the 'New Hospital' issue. What the people of Watford want is an excellent modern hospital close to where they live (not miles away near St. Albans), which is exactly what the Health Campus will deliver, along with new market housing, new affordable housing, local shops, new stations, new businesses, new employment opportunities, new open spaces and public access to the river valley, a new access road relieving pressure on West Watford, in short a whole new town district, which UKIP will scrap because a small number of allotment holders have to move to new plots and the hospital will be the existing one redeveloped, not totally brand new. A vote for UKIP is a denial of the prosperous future West Watford deserves. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 0

10:34am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party.

End of.
nope its just not the end of is it??

Not only do they get racist voters

But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers!

http://www.hopenotha



te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn



p-councillor-signs-u



kip-nomination-paper



s-3755

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR
Pathetic smear.

again.
nope, your party has a leader who is racist according to the Sun newspaper which is hardly a left wing PC spinning rag or some such, has candidatea endorsed by an ex BNP candidate, has senior figures including an MEP and the director of comms who have spouted anti Islamic nonsense, and you say this is a smear.

Nope get your head out from the sand, your party is racist, you seem like an Alcholic in denial to me, step one recognise the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party. End of.[/p][/quote]nope its just not the end of is it?? Not only do they get racist voters But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers! http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn p-councillor-signs-u kip-nomination-paper s-3755 VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR[/p][/quote]Pathetic smear. again.[/p][/quote]nope, your party has a leader who is racist according to the Sun newspaper which is hardly a left wing PC spinning rag or some such, has candidatea endorsed by an ex BNP candidate, has senior figures including an MEP and the director of comms who have spouted anti Islamic nonsense, and you say this is a smear. Nope get your head out from the sand, your party is racist, you seem like an Alcholic in denial to me, step one recognise the problem. UKIP-pal
  • Score: -3

10:44am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Andy Wylie wrote:
I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either.
Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years.
I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time.
Andy,

why do you think Dorothy Thornhill linked these racist posters with UKIP standing for Mayor for the first time in Watford?
[quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either. Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years. I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time.[/p][/quote]Andy, why do you think Dorothy Thornhill linked these racist posters with UKIP standing for Mayor for the first time in Watford? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

10:52am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Andy Wylie wrote:
I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either.
Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years.
I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time.
According to the Mayor's ininuation the leaflets were down to UKIP supporters, that is a fact observed by the Pal of UKIP.

As to Watford Ted I am sure its an individual extracting the Urine, he fought in the war after all so would be what 87 + years old

As to UKIP being racist well the biggest laugh of the night came when Phil Cox denied it,
[quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either. Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years. I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time.[/p][/quote]According to the Mayor's ininuation the leaflets were down to UKIP supporters, that is a fact observed by the Pal of UKIP. As to Watford Ted I am sure its an individual extracting the Urine, he fought in the war after all so would be what 87 + years old As to UKIP being racist well the biggest laugh of the night came when Phil Cox denied it, UKIP-pal
  • Score: -1

10:53am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Darren Watford wrote:
Wacko Jacko wrote:
Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.
It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!)

Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans.

As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration
Why would you say such a thing? Were you not listening?

THERE IS NO NEW HOSPITAL.

Dorothy finally admitted it.

Therefore no need to lose the allotments.

Even if there were a new hospital there is no need to lose the allotments.

If you were there, the argument could not have been clearer and Dorothy clearly lost the argument.
Cox is the one who's not listening, he's like a stuck record on the 'New Hospital' issue. What the people of Watford want is an excellent modern hospital close to where they live (not miles away near St. Albans), which is exactly what the Health Campus will deliver, along with new market housing, new affordable housing, local shops, new stations, new businesses, new employment opportunities, new open spaces and public access to the river valley, a new access road relieving pressure on West Watford, in short a whole new town district, which UKIP will scrap because a small number of allotment holders have to move to new plots and the hospital will be the existing one redeveloped, not totally brand new. A vote for UKIP is a denial of the prosperous future West Watford deserves.
What a total misrepresentation of the facts.

Dorothy has admitted there is not going to be a new hospital as part of the Heath Campus development.

We might want a new hospital but it is not going to be part of the Health Campus as planned. It can't go ahead in the future either because....the site will be full of houses without room for a brand new hospital.

The short-sightedness of the LibDems was exposed for all to see at last nights hustings. Downhill Dorothy as she has recently been described was floundering and found wanting. Astoundingly the Conservative Linda Topping didn't even know there was not going to be a new hospital. The question has to be, as this has been common knowledge for anyone interested for a long time, why was she so clueless on a major political issue concerning Watford?

UKIP would wait for the new hospital, then build housing around it. As for the allotments, protected by law, we would save them out of principle. It's the right thing to do.

There is a better way, a more honest way forward. It is UKIP.

Vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: Sorry I missed it, I had some important dog walking to do. I hope there was more going on than the just new market and those very boring farm terrace allotments. Did any of the candidates tell us about future plans for the town? attracting new business, providing new housing, new cultural opportunities? Judging by Cox's comments it sounds like a lot of the same old party bickering about minority pressure group trivia.[/p][/quote]It was basically about the Market (they want us to move it! No they dont! No one goes there! I go there!) & because of the allotment brigade, it was stuck on that topic for while (Its illegal! We want a crap hospital! We dont like change!) Move the market outside Charter place on a saturday, like St.Albans. As for the allotments, if they are getting relocated, its not a problem, space is needed and the glorified grow patches are less important than a modern hospital & regeneration[/p][/quote]Why would you say such a thing? Were you not listening? THERE IS NO NEW HOSPITAL. Dorothy finally admitted it. Therefore no need to lose the allotments. Even if there were a new hospital there is no need to lose the allotments. If you were there, the argument could not have been clearer and Dorothy clearly lost the argument.[/p][/quote]Cox is the one who's not listening, he's like a stuck record on the 'New Hospital' issue. What the people of Watford want is an excellent modern hospital close to where they live (not miles away near St. Albans), which is exactly what the Health Campus will deliver, along with new market housing, new affordable housing, local shops, new stations, new businesses, new employment opportunities, new open spaces and public access to the river valley, a new access road relieving pressure on West Watford, in short a whole new town district, which UKIP will scrap because a small number of allotment holders have to move to new plots and the hospital will be the existing one redeveloped, not totally brand new. A vote for UKIP is a denial of the prosperous future West Watford deserves.[/p][/quote]What a total misrepresentation of the facts. Dorothy has admitted there is not going to be a new hospital as part of the Heath Campus development. We might want a new hospital but it is not going to be part of the Health Campus as planned. It can't go ahead in the future either because....the site will be full of houses without room for a brand new hospital. The short-sightedness of the LibDems was exposed for all to see at last nights hustings. Downhill Dorothy as she has recently been described was floundering and found wanting. Astoundingly the Conservative Linda Topping didn't even know there was not going to be a new hospital. The question has to be, as this has been common knowledge for anyone interested for a long time, why was she so clueless on a major political issue concerning Watford? UKIP would wait for the new hospital, then build housing around it. As for the allotments, protected by law, we would save them out of principle. It's the right thing to do. There is a better way, a more honest way forward. It is UKIP. Vote UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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10:56am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
Andy Wylie wrote:
I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either.
Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years.
I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time.
According to the Mayor's ininuation the leaflets were down to UKIP supporters, that is a fact observed by the Pal of UKIP.

As to Watford Ted I am sure its an individual extracting the Urine, he fought in the war after all so would be what 87 + years old

As to UKIP being racist well the biggest laugh of the night came when Phil Cox denied it,
oops droped an S that should of been "insinuation" and read

]According to the Mayor's ininuation the leaflets were down to UKIP supporters, that is a fact observed by the Pal of UKIP
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: I don't need to tell my members and supporters anything because they are not so stupid as to indulge in such acts. They never have been, even going back 35 years and I can say that the local Labour Party are likewise. Watford, until Oakley appeared, didn't have any of that kind of trouble from the Conservatives either. Mainstream political activism in Watford is very much an older persons game with the same work going on year after year so when anything unusual happens, it usually sticks out like a sore thumb and is a bit too obvious to those of us who have been here a few years. I suspect whichever left wing fringe group are doing this think they are being very clever & effective. They are just wasting their own time.[/p][/quote]According to the Mayor's ininuation the leaflets were down to UKIP supporters, that is a fact observed by the Pal of UKIP. As to Watford Ted I am sure its an individual extracting the Urine, he fought in the war after all so would be what 87 + years old As to UKIP being racist well the biggest laugh of the night came when Phil Cox denied it,[/p][/quote]oops droped an S that should of been "insinuation" and read ]According to the Mayor's ininuation the leaflets were down to UKIP supporters, that is a fact observed by the Pal of UKIP UKIP-pal
  • Score: -4

11:11am Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party.

End of.
You really shouldn't be encouraging them to sign your nomination papers for election then.

The fact that Deirdre Gates was a local county councillor and the election agent for the BNP was hardly a secret.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party. End of.[/p][/quote]You really shouldn't be encouraging them to sign your nomination papers for election then. The fact that Deirdre Gates was a local county councillor and the election agent for the BNP was hardly a secret. Sara
  • Score: 1

11:27am Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party.

End of.
You really shouldn't be encouraging them to sign your nomination papers for election then.

The fact that Deirdre Gates was a local county councillor and the election agent for the BNP was hardly a secret.
I have never heard of her before. Has she signed someone's papers in watford?

I don't ask people who sign my nomination papers what their political or religious beliefs are, I just ask electors to sign. That's enough for me. I prefer to get perfect strangers to sign because it is a sign of political legitimacy to get strangers to sign nomination papers.

You really are scraping the barrel with this aren't you Sara?

LibDem smears, heard them last night from Dorothy, today from you.

The Conservatives have an ex-BNP candidate somewhere standing at this election. No mention of that is there?

Does the fact Cyril Smith was a pervert and a senior member of the LibDems for a long time make your party all paedophiles?

Honestly, you LibLabCon politicians, you're all alike. You'll do anything for a vote. And that's what's so worrying.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party. End of.[/p][/quote]You really shouldn't be encouraging them to sign your nomination papers for election then. The fact that Deirdre Gates was a local county councillor and the election agent for the BNP was hardly a secret.[/p][/quote]I have never heard of her before. Has she signed someone's papers in watford? I don't ask people who sign my nomination papers what their political or religious beliefs are, I just ask electors to sign. That's enough for me. I prefer to get perfect strangers to sign because it is a sign of political legitimacy to get strangers to sign nomination papers. You really are scraping the barrel with this aren't you Sara? LibDem smears, heard them last night from Dorothy, today from you. The Conservatives have an ex-BNP candidate somewhere standing at this election. No mention of that is there? Does the fact Cyril Smith was a pervert and a senior member of the LibDems for a long time make your party all paedophiles? Honestly, you LibLabCon politicians, you're all alike. You'll do anything for a vote. And that's what's so worrying. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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11:29am Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party.

End of.
You really shouldn't be encouraging them to sign your nomination papers for election then.

The fact that Deirdre Gates was a local county councillor and the election agent for the BNP was hardly a secret.
indeed come on @phil Cox

Take the first step admit the problem!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Ex-BNP members are not allowed in the party. End of.[/p][/quote]You really shouldn't be encouraging them to sign your nomination papers for election then. The fact that Deirdre Gates was a local county councillor and the election agent for the BNP was hardly a secret.[/p][/quote]indeed come on @phil Cox Take the first step admit the problem!!!! UKIP-pal
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11:39am Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

@phil cox Most politicians who are known and/or popular in their area ask supporters to sign nomination papers to sign.

The difference between Deirdre Gates and Cyril Smith is that if Smith had been known, publicly or otherwise, to be a paedophile, he would never have hot within a mile of any political party. However a well-known elected representative and local election agent for the BNP was asked to sign some UKIP nomination papers, six tears after her views became known and less than a year after the voters booted her out.
@phil cox Most politicians who are known and/or popular in their area ask supporters to sign nomination papers to sign. The difference between Deirdre Gates and Cyril Smith is that if Smith had been known, publicly or otherwise, to be a paedophile, he would never have hot within a mile of any political party. However a well-known elected representative and local election agent for the BNP was asked to sign some UKIP nomination papers, six tears after her views became known and less than a year after the voters booted her out. Sara
  • Score: -1

12:42pm Tue 20 May 14

Andy Wylie says...

Quite simple Phil, you are attracting people who think either it is o.k. to take direct action on you because they perceive your party to be racist and therefore fair game. I don't agree with that view at all - no political party staying within the law deserves to be treated illegally, whatever their policies. Intolerance of others views breeds dictatorships.
Most political parties actually do take a bit of care when they ask people to sign the nomination papers because it can bite you later if you don't. Mind you, it can bite you sometimes when you do too! Such is life, I suppose.
Quite simple Phil, you are attracting people who think either it is o.k. to take direct action on you because they perceive your party to be racist and therefore fair game. I don't agree with that view at all - no political party staying within the law deserves to be treated illegally, whatever their policies. Intolerance of others views breeds dictatorships. Most political parties actually do take a bit of care when they ask people to sign the nomination papers because it can bite you later if you don't. Mind you, it can bite you sometimes when you do too! Such is life, I suppose. Andy Wylie
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

D_Penn wrote:
Sara wrote:
@phil cox Most politicians who are known and/or popular in their area ask supporters to sign nomination papers to sign.

The difference between Deirdre Gates and Cyril Smith is that if Smith had been known, publicly or otherwise, to be a paedophile, he would never have hot within a mile of any political party. However a well-known elected representative and local election agent for the BNP was asked to sign some UKIP nomination papers, six tears after her views became known and less than a year after the voters booted her out.
Talk about desperately looking for links to smear UKIP with. This one is really up there with the looniest attempts.

Anyone who has got signatures on their nomination papers knows that you simply knock on doors and ask people to nominate you. It is a very basic part of democracy.

What you do not do though is perform an interview and detailed background check of each person you ask to sign. All you need to know is that they are on the electoral register and have not nominated anybody else. So all parties will have people who have nominated them who are criminals, paedophiles, racists, ex-BNP supporters and a whole range of dubious characters shady and undesirable characters.

I am amazed Sara that you would be daft enough to think that you could use this against UKIP by claiming the person must have known the person was BNP. Your allegation is so tenuous as to be ridiculous.

By the way, I notice that you have ignored my earlier post where I took you to task for encouraging those people who recently have been putting up disgusting racist posters. I would have thought you would have had the decency to apologise by now.
David Penn Your party has a prblem with racisem, and will continue to for as long as it trys deluding itself with nonsense like this post of yours.

UKIP is a racist party and serriously needs to admit the problem before it can do anything about it.

I tell you this as UKIP-pal bocouse sometimes you need a pal to tell you the uncomfortable truth that is UKIP is a racist party, even the right wing Sun newspaper says so

Take the first step admit the problem!!!!
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: @phil cox Most politicians who are known and/or popular in their area ask supporters to sign nomination papers to sign. The difference between Deirdre Gates and Cyril Smith is that if Smith had been known, publicly or otherwise, to be a paedophile, he would never have hot within a mile of any political party. However a well-known elected representative and local election agent for the BNP was asked to sign some UKIP nomination papers, six tears after her views became known and less than a year after the voters booted her out.[/p][/quote]Talk about desperately looking for links to smear UKIP with. This one is really up there with the looniest attempts. Anyone who has got signatures on their nomination papers knows that you simply knock on doors and ask people to nominate you. It is a very basic part of democracy. What you do not do though is perform an interview and detailed background check of each person you ask to sign. All you need to know is that they are on the electoral register and have not nominated anybody else. So all parties will have people who have nominated them who are criminals, paedophiles, racists, ex-BNP supporters and a whole range of dubious characters shady and undesirable characters. I am amazed Sara that you would be daft enough to think that you could use this against UKIP by claiming the person must have known the person was BNP. Your allegation is so tenuous as to be ridiculous. By the way, I notice that you have ignored my earlier post where I took you to task for encouraging those people who recently have been putting up disgusting racist posters. I would have thought you would have had the decency to apologise by now.[/p][/quote]David Penn Your party has a prblem with racisem, and will continue to for as long as it trys deluding itself with nonsense like this post of yours. UKIP is a racist party and serriously needs to admit the problem before it can do anything about it. I tell you this as UKIP-pal bocouse sometimes you need a pal to tell you the uncomfortable truth that is UKIP is a racist party, even the right wing Sun newspaper says so Take the first step admit the problem!!!! UKIP-pal
  • Score: -3

1:08pm Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Andy Wylie wrote:
Quite simple Phil, you are attracting people who think either it is o.k. to take direct action on you because they perceive your party to be racist and therefore fair game. I don't agree with that view at all - no political party staying within the law deserves to be treated illegally, whatever their policies. Intolerance of others views breeds dictatorships.
Most political parties actually do take a bit of care when they ask people to sign the nomination papers because it can bite you later if you don't. Mind you, it can bite you sometimes when you do too! Such is life, I suppose.
I take no care, completely on purpose and out of principle.

I have always taken the attitude that if I can't get 10 strangers to sign my nomination papers then I shouldn't be standing. I encourage others to do exactly the same. I view it as more democratic.

What's the point of standing if you can't persuade 10 voters to nominate you?

If others are sad enough to try to make something of the people that nominate me or any other candidate then really they are grasping at straws and it's a pretty desperate show.

So far at least we have been above such desperate measures. I hope that continues as we fight a fair fight.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: Quite simple Phil, you are attracting people who think either it is o.k. to take direct action on you because they perceive your party to be racist and therefore fair game. I don't agree with that view at all - no political party staying within the law deserves to be treated illegally, whatever their policies. Intolerance of others views breeds dictatorships. Most political parties actually do take a bit of care when they ask people to sign the nomination papers because it can bite you later if you don't. Mind you, it can bite you sometimes when you do too! Such is life, I suppose.[/p][/quote]I take no care, completely on purpose and out of principle. I have always taken the attitude that if I can't get 10 strangers to sign my nomination papers then I shouldn't be standing. I encourage others to do exactly the same. I view it as more democratic. What's the point of standing if you can't persuade 10 voters to nominate you? If others are sad enough to try to make something of the people that nominate me or any other candidate then really they are grasping at straws and it's a pretty desperate show. So far at least we have been above such desperate measures. I hope that continues as we fight a fair fight. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign. Sara
  • Score: 1

2:04pm Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

answer a questions in the interests of sanity.

Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before.

I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, answer a questions in the interests of sanity. Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before. I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
She's not in my road either, I just checked the electoral roll.

Sara is losing her grip.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]She's not in my road either, I just checked the electoral roll. Sara is losing her grip. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

answer a questions in the interests of sanity.

Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before.

I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her.
oh deary me do get a grip Phil


The issue raised by Sara was

UKIP getting nominated by a local BNP cllr, all this smoke and mirrors doesn't detract from the that, the excuse doesn't really work sorry.

In the meantime As Jagtar said (or close enough)last night "a racist will always say ny best friend is Black"

It would seem farage tried that today by hiring a steel band, and the band gave him the finger:-

http://www.croydonad
vertiser.co.uk/Ukip-
leader-Nigel-Farage-
snubbed-steel-band/s
tory-21115361-detail
/story.html

Your party has to stop being like an alcholic in denial and admit it has a problem
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, answer a questions in the interests of sanity. Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before. I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her.[/p][/quote]oh deary me do get a grip Phil The issue raised by Sara was UKIP getting nominated by a local BNP cllr, all this smoke and mirrors doesn't detract from the that, the excuse doesn't really work sorry. In the meantime As Jagtar said (or close enough)last night "a racist will always say ny best friend is Black" It would seem farage tried that today by hiring a steel band, and the band gave him the finger:- http://www.croydonad vertiser.co.uk/Ukip- leader-Nigel-Farage- snubbed-steel-band/s tory-21115361-detail /story.html Your party has to stop being like an alcholic in denial and admit it has a problem UKIP-pal
  • Score: -1

4:15pm Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
She's not in my road either, I just checked the electoral roll.

Sara is losing her grip.
On the subject of Romainians and UKIP MEP's

http://ampp3d.mirror
.co.uk/2014/05/20/uk
ip-meps-are-more-lik
ely-to-go-to-prison-
than-romanians/
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]She's not in my road either, I just checked the electoral roll. Sara is losing her grip.[/p][/quote]On the subject of Romainians and UKIP MEP's http://ampp3d.mirror .co.uk/2014/05/20/uk ip-meps-are-more-lik ely-to-go-to-prison- than-romanians/ UKIP-pal
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4:18pm Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

answer a questions in the interests of sanity.

Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before.

I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her.
She has signed the UKIP nomination papers in Rickmansworth. Papers for the party that has no truck with racists.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, answer a questions in the interests of sanity. Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before. I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her.[/p][/quote]She has signed the UKIP nomination papers in Rickmansworth. Papers for the party that has no truck with racists. Sara
  • Score: 0

4:36pm Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox says he deliberately asks strangers to sign his nomination papers.

I'm surprised he knows so few of the UKIP candidates standing for election this year. It must have been a fortuitous surprise that so many were supporting him...
Phil Cox says he deliberately asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. I'm surprised he knows so few of the UKIP candidates standing for election this year. It must have been a fortuitous surprise that so many were supporting him... Sara
  • Score: -2

5:22pm Tue 20 May 14

D_Penn says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox says he deliberately asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. I'm surprised he knows so few of the UKIP candidates standing for election this year. It must have been a fortuitous surprise that so many were supporting him...
If you had any understanding of the process you would know that people sign nomination forms because they believe in democracy, not because they intend to vote for you.

Perhaps the candidates in your party do not have the confidence to knock on the doors of strangers and so only ask party members. They need to get out and meet the people, not be frightened of them.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox says he deliberately asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. I'm surprised he knows so few of the UKIP candidates standing for election this year. It must have been a fortuitous surprise that so many were supporting him...[/p][/quote]If you had any understanding of the process you would know that people sign nomination forms because they believe in democracy, not because they intend to vote for you. Perhaps the candidates in your party do not have the confidence to knock on the doors of strangers and so only ask party members. They need to get out and meet the people, not be frightened of them. D_Penn
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Tue 20 May 14

ramage1996 says...

D_Penn wrote:
Sara wrote:
Phil Cox says he deliberately asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. I'm surprised he knows so few of the UKIP candidates standing for election this year. It must have been a fortuitous surprise that so many were supporting him...
If you had any understanding of the process you would know that people sign nomination forms because they believe in democracy, not because they intend to vote for you.

Perhaps the candidates in your party do not have the confidence to knock on the doors of strangers and so only ask party members. They need to get out and meet the people, not be frightened of them.
Yea but having a BNP election agent signing the nomination forms...

Says it all about the racist nature of Ukip.
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Phil Cox says he deliberately asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. I'm surprised he knows so few of the UKIP candidates standing for election this year. It must have been a fortuitous surprise that so many were supporting him...[/p][/quote]If you had any understanding of the process you would know that people sign nomination forms because they believe in democracy, not because they intend to vote for you. Perhaps the candidates in your party do not have the confidence to knock on the doors of strangers and so only ask party members. They need to get out and meet the people, not be frightened of them.[/p][/quote]Yea but having a BNP election agent signing the nomination forms... Says it all about the racist nature of Ukip. ramage1996
  • Score: -2

5:46pm Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

As a successful agent of over 20 years standing and who speaks to ward residents all year round at the shops, schools, library, on buses, in the street, at local community events etc etc, as well as canvassing personally over 1,000 household,ds this year alone, I don't think I have the difficulty :)

But your Mayoral candidate said he asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. Many of the signatories are candidates this year and have been candidates for UKIP in the past. I was just saying that I was surprised most of the UKIP team are strangers to Phil.
As a successful agent of over 20 years standing and who speaks to ward residents all year round at the shops, schools, library, on buses, in the street, at local community events etc etc, as well as canvassing personally over 1,000 household,ds this year alone, I don't think I have the difficulty :) But your Mayoral candidate said he asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. Many of the signatories are candidates this year and have been candidates for UKIP in the past. I was just saying that I was surprised most of the UKIP team are strangers to Phil. Sara
  • Score: -2

5:48pm Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

answer a questions in the interests of sanity.

Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before.

I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her.
She has signed the UKIP nomination papers in Rickmansworth. Papers for the party that has no truck with racists.
finally, some clarity.

take it up with them Sara if it means that much to you.

As far as I am concerned I could just as easily picked on the door of Nick Griffin, Ronnie Biggs or the Dalai Lama, it's pure luck whose door I call on to get a signature.

So petty really, grasping at straws like that. It's the candidate that is standing for election, not a nominator.

It's just muck-raking by the LibDems, it's quite sad that's the only way you can run a campaign. It seems shallow and desperate. Probably one of the reasons people are turning to UKIP. More decency.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, answer a questions in the interests of sanity. Why are you going on about this Dierdre woman? She has not signed my nomination papers and is nothing to do with me. I have never heard of her before. I know nothing of what you are talking about but you clearly have some fixation with her.[/p][/quote]She has signed the UKIP nomination papers in Rickmansworth. Papers for the party that has no truck with racists.[/p][/quote]finally, some clarity. take it up with them Sara if it means that much to you. As far as I am concerned I could just as easily picked on the door of Nick Griffin, Ronnie Biggs or the Dalai Lama, it's pure luck whose door I call on to get a signature. So petty really, grasping at straws like that. It's the candidate that is standing for election, not a nominator. It's just muck-raking by the LibDems, it's quite sad that's the only way you can run a campaign. It seems shallow and desperate. Probably one of the reasons people are turning to UKIP. More decency. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

5:50pm Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

Wow just got back from work, my the lefties have been busy !!!! Told you phil not that you need telling that you have really got the other parties on the ropes they are sounding more desperate by the hour one thing Iam sick to the back teeth of these parties trying to play the race card against UKIP, They know the Muslim vote in watford is important and they are trying to disenfranchise you from it , People can see through it and it's getting boring, but it's a good sign for you phil as you really know you have them worried.
Wow just got back from work, my the lefties have been busy !!!! Told you phil not that you need telling that you have really got the other parties on the ropes they are sounding more desperate by the hour one thing Iam sick to the back teeth of these parties trying to play the race card against UKIP, They know the Muslim vote in watford is important and they are trying to disenfranchise you from it , People can see through it and it's getting boring, but it's a good sign for you phil as you really know you have them worried. crazyfrog
  • Score: 0

6:18pm Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Harry Caine wrote:
Andy Wylie wrote:
Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said.
Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got.
The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job!
Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now.
Talking of dodgy dealings, perhaps Wylie might tell us when the Lib Dems will return the £2.4 million donation from Michael Brown they are sitting on which he stole in the first place
Good question. they have studiously avoided answering it I see.

Any LibDem care to answer this question about the LibDems receiving the proceeds of crime and refusing to give it back to the victims?
[quote][p][bold]Harry Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Wylie[/bold] wrote: Good tweets Mike. For those of us working or unable to get there, it gave a real flavour of what everyone said. Phil, these lamppost posters and obvious trolling look like a bit of private enterprise by some left wing group who really don't like UKIP. Since the Oakley business nobody in any established Watford political party is going to even think about doing anything dodgy. The police made it very clear that anybody else mucking around will get what Oakley got. The trolling isn't doing anyone any favours either and the joke has got a bit thin now. It's too obvious what it is - though I had to laugh about the one saying Dorothy's husband was a millionaire! They clearly don't know his day job! Phil, it won't be a co-incidence that all this is happening because UKIP are standing as the people involved obviously hate UKIP with a passion but, having seen with Oakley how easily direct action activities can get out of control, it would be better for everyone if it stopped, now.[/p][/quote]Talking of dodgy dealings, perhaps Wylie might tell us when the Lib Dems will return the £2.4 million donation from Michael Brown they are sitting on which he stole in the first place[/p][/quote]Good question. they have studiously avoided answering it I see. Any LibDem care to answer this question about the LibDems receiving the proceeds of crime and refusing to give it back to the victims? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -2

6:28pm Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

what an absolute pack of lies.

This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is.

Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that?
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, what an absolute pack of lies. This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is. Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -1

6:35pm Tue 20 May 14

ramage1996 says...

Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.
Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night. ramage1996
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Tue 20 May 14

Sara says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

what an absolute pack of lies.

This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is.

Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that?
I have already said that she lives in Rickmansworth. I did not say she was one of you (personal) neighbours. I was talking about UKIP being supported by known racists if you follow the thread back.

But then it's so much easier to 'misunderstand' me, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, what an absolute pack of lies. This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is. Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that?[/p][/quote]I have already said that she lives in Rickmansworth. I did not say she was one of you (personal) neighbours. I was talking about UKIP being supported by known racists if you follow the thread back. But then it's so much easier to 'misunderstand' me, isn't it? Sara
  • Score: 2

6:57pm Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.
Sorry couldn't make last nights hustings but I know the watford observer covered the event, and iam sure if there was any credibility in it iam sure they would of published it here as they don't miss much.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.[/p][/quote]Sorry couldn't make last nights hustings but I know the watford observer covered the event, and iam sure if there was any credibility in it iam sure they would of published it here as they don't miss much. crazyfrog
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

what an absolute pack of lies.

This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is.

Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that?
I have already said that she lives in Rickmansworth. I did not say she was one of you (personal) neighbours. I was talking about UKIP being supported by known racists if you follow the thread back.

But then it's so much easier to 'misunderstand' me, isn't it?
indeed anything rather than face the racist nature of UKIP,

Sara If you persist with this might I suggest some head ache tablets
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, what an absolute pack of lies. This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is. Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that?[/p][/quote]I have already said that she lives in Rickmansworth. I did not say she was one of you (personal) neighbours. I was talking about UKIP being supported by known racists if you follow the thread back. But then it's so much easier to 'misunderstand' me, isn't it?[/p][/quote]indeed anything rather than face the racist nature of UKIP, Sara If you persist with this might I suggest some head ache tablets UKIP-pal
  • Score: -1

7:07pm Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.
"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires "
That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.[/p][/quote]"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires " That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said. crazyfrog
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

Sara wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Sara wrote:
If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues.

But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.
Sara,

what an absolute pack of lies.

This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is.

Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that?
I have already said that she lives in Rickmansworth. I did not say she was one of you (personal) neighbours. I was talking about UKIP being supported by known racists if you follow the thread back.

But then it's so much easier to 'misunderstand' me, isn't it?
In other words phil she's playing the race card but it backfired when it turns out this lady is more of a Neighbour of Sara's than yourself! And I thought Nick Clegg waffled his way out of trouble, must be a libdem trait
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: If you didn't know one of your neighbours was the former local leader of the BNP, then you don't have much of a grip on local issues. But judging by the distance apart many UKIP signatories live, all I can say is that your candidates must have had to knock on an awful lot of doors to find ten people willing to sign.[/p][/quote]Sara, what an absolute pack of lies. This lady is from your patch, Three Rivers, she doesn't even live in Watford. I have never heard of her, she is not my neighbour yet you peddle these lies saying she is. Why would you, a respected LibDem politician. do that?[/p][/quote]I have already said that she lives in Rickmansworth. I did not say she was one of you (personal) neighbours. I was talking about UKIP being supported by known racists if you follow the thread back. But then it's so much easier to 'misunderstand' me, isn't it?[/p][/quote]In other words phil she's playing the race card but it backfired when it turns out this lady is more of a Neighbour of Sara's than yourself! And I thought Nick Clegg waffled his way out of trouble, must be a libdem trait crazyfrog
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Tue 20 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

Cox can't even win the debate on this blog, he stands no chance of winning the Mayoralty. He needs to get out more and talk to some real people if he wants to make friends and influence them, rather than rattling his keyboard. Don't give up the day job!
Cox can't even win the debate on this blog, he stands no chance of winning the Mayoralty. He needs to get out more and talk to some real people if he wants to make friends and influence them, rather than rattling his keyboard. Don't give up the day job! Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 1

7:16pm Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

crazyfrog wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.
"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires "
That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.
I tell you what
I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up.

So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party.

That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making.
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.[/p][/quote]"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires " That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.[/p][/quote]I tell you what I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up. So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party. That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making. UKIP-pal
  • Score: 3

7:19pm Tue 20 May 14

Wacko Jacko says...

This article from the Independent should bring a bit of cheer to UKIP, or perhaps not: http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/nigel-farage-s
tages-mini-carnival-
in-croydon--includin
g-steel-band--as-uki
p-fights-racism-accu
sations-9404231.html

Classy hand gestures by the way, enjoy!
This article from the Independent should bring a bit of cheer to UKIP, or perhaps not: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/nigel-farage-s tages-mini-carnival- in-croydon--includin g-steel-band--as-uki p-fights-racism-accu sations-9404231.html Classy hand gestures by the way, enjoy! Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Tue 20 May 14

crazyfrog says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.
"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires "
That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.
I tell you what
I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up.

So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party.

That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making.
Sadly I think you will find there are rascist elements in all parties, Time will see these people with bigoted attitudes in all parties outed as we all see every now and again on the news channels But UKIP are singled out because they are rattling the cages of the three major parties that can't even keep the promise of a referendum because they constantly deceive the voting public and now their chickens are coming home to roost with their broken manifesto pledges tuition fees being one of them.
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.[/p][/quote]"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires " That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.[/p][/quote]I tell you what I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up. So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party. That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making.[/p][/quote]Sadly I think you will find there are rascist elements in all parties, Time will see these people with bigoted attitudes in all parties outed as we all see every now and again on the news channels But UKIP are singled out because they are rattling the cages of the three major parties that can't even keep the promise of a referendum because they constantly deceive the voting public and now their chickens are coming home to roost with their broken manifesto pledges tuition fees being one of them. crazyfrog
  • Score: 0

7:40pm Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

crazyfrog wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.
"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires "
That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.
I tell you what
I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up.

So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party.

That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making.
Sadly I think you will find there are rascist elements in all parties, Time will see these people with bigoted attitudes in all parties outed as we all see every now and again on the news channels But UKIP are singled out because they are rattling the cages of the three major parties that can't even keep the promise of a referendum because they constantly deceive the voting public and now their chickens are coming home to roost with their broken manifesto pledges tuition fees being one of them.
I take that as a clear NO

The same old, same old, denial and spin that went down like a lead ballon last might. It won't do its being in denial, like an alcholic pointing to someone having a pint its denial plain and simple.
To Take the pledge to fight it in YOUR party not someone elses, you first have to recognise the problem and I can tell thats going to happen sometime never.
[quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.[/p][/quote]"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires " That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.[/p][/quote]I tell you what I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up. So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party. That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making.[/p][/quote]Sadly I think you will find there are rascist elements in all parties, Time will see these people with bigoted attitudes in all parties outed as we all see every now and again on the news channels But UKIP are singled out because they are rattling the cages of the three major parties that can't even keep the promise of a referendum because they constantly deceive the voting public and now their chickens are coming home to roost with their broken manifesto pledges tuition fees being one of them.[/p][/quote]I take that as a clear NO The same old, same old, denial and spin that went down like a lead ballon last might. It won't do its being in denial, like an alcholic pointing to someone having a pint its denial plain and simple. To Take the pledge to fight it in YOUR party not someone elses, you first have to recognise the problem and I can tell thats going to happen sometime never. UKIP-pal
  • Score: 1

8:29pm Tue 20 May 14

Nascot says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
Sara wrote:
I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?
Not only do they get racist voters

But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers!

http://www.hopenotha

te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn

p-councillor-signs-u

kip-nomination-paper

s-3755

VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR
Richard James Stacey is standing in Penn and Mill End Ward (Three Rivers). Nominated by: ex Three Rivers BNP councillor Deidre Gates.

http://www.threerive
rs.gov.uk/GetResourc
e.aspx?file=Notice_o
f_Poll_(District_Cou
ncil_-_May_2014).pdf
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: I wonder how UKIP deals with the not very nice people who used to be Councillors and office bearers for the BNP?[/p][/quote]Not only do they get racist voters But just round the corner it appears an ex BNP councillor signed UKIP nomination papers! http://www.hopenotha te.org.uk/ukip/ex-bn p-councillor-signs-u kip-nomination-paper s-3755 VOTE UKIP GET A PARTY ENDORSED BY AN EX BNP CLLR[/p][/quote]Richard James Stacey is standing in Penn and Mill End Ward (Three Rivers). Nominated by: ex Three Rivers BNP councillor Deidre Gates. http://www.threerive rs.gov.uk/GetResourc e.aspx?file=Notice_o f_Poll_(District_Cou ncil_-_May_2014).pdf Nascot
  • Score: 2

8:52pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

UKIP-pal wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
UKIP-pal wrote:
crazyfrog wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.
"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires "
That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.
I tell you what
I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up.

So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party.

That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making.
Sadly I think you will find there are rascist elements in all parties, Time will see these people with bigoted attitudes in all parties outed as we all see every now and again on the news channels But UKIP are singled out because they are rattling the cages of the three major parties that can't even keep the promise of a referendum because they constantly deceive the voting public and now their chickens are coming home to roost with their broken manifesto pledges tuition fees being one of them.
I take that as a clear NO

The same old, same old, denial and spin that went down like a lead ballon last might. It won't do its being in denial, like an alcholic pointing to someone having a pint its denial plain and simple.
To Take the pledge to fight it in YOUR party not someone elses, you first have to recognise the problem and I can tell thats going to happen sometime never.
seems like a fair offer to me reckon I would do the same
[quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UKIP-pal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazyfrog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: Well Crazy Frog that is what Cox did as was disclosed last night.[/p][/quote]"You seem to be revveling in Rammmages crossed wires " That's the trouble with smearing you got to remember what you've said.[/p][/quote]I tell you what I have not accused Phil Cox of Racisem, I have accused his party of being racist and backed that up. So how about this I promise to vote UKIP second prefernce if Phil Cox aknowledges the racist problems of his party, and pledges to take on the racists and islamaphobes in his party,and denounces any link that UKIP make to racist partys in Europe even if that means he is expelled from the party. That is he take the first step and recognize the racist nature of his party, instead of hiding in the fog of his own making.[/p][/quote]Sadly I think you will find there are rascist elements in all parties, Time will see these people with bigoted attitudes in all parties outed as we all see every now and again on the news channels But UKIP are singled out because they are rattling the cages of the three major parties that can't even keep the promise of a referendum because they constantly deceive the voting public and now their chickens are coming home to roost with their broken manifesto pledges tuition fees being one of them.[/p][/quote]I take that as a clear NO The same old, same old, denial and spin that went down like a lead ballon last might. It won't do its being in denial, like an alcholic pointing to someone having a pint its denial plain and simple. To Take the pledge to fight it in YOUR party not someone elses, you first have to recognise the problem and I can tell thats going to happen sometime never.[/p][/quote]seems like a fair offer to me reckon I would do the same ancientandageing
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12:31pm Thu 22 May 14

angryangryangry says...

Sara wrote:
As a successful agent of over 20 years standing and who speaks to ward residents all year round at the shops, schools, library, on buses, in the street, at local community events etc etc, as well as canvassing personally over 1,000 household,ds this year alone, I don't think I have the difficulty :)

But your Mayoral candidate said he asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. Many of the signatories are candidates this year and have been candidates for UKIP in the past. I was just saying that I was surprised most of the UKIP team are strangers to Phil.
Correct me if i am wrong as i do not know how these things work....but surely it is better that 10 strangers sign than 10 of your mates/colleagues/fam
ily etc sign? Anyone can get people they are friends with to sign something for them...but not everyone is able to convince a stranger to sign something?

Like i say, i do not know how these things work, but i would applaud Mr Cox for doing it the hard way rather than taking the easy route!
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: As a successful agent of over 20 years standing and who speaks to ward residents all year round at the shops, schools, library, on buses, in the street, at local community events etc etc, as well as canvassing personally over 1,000 household,ds this year alone, I don't think I have the difficulty :) But your Mayoral candidate said he asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. Many of the signatories are candidates this year and have been candidates for UKIP in the past. I was just saying that I was surprised most of the UKIP team are strangers to Phil.[/p][/quote]Correct me if i am wrong as i do not know how these things work....but surely it is better that 10 strangers sign than 10 of your mates/colleagues/fam ily etc sign? Anyone can get people they are friends with to sign something for them...but not everyone is able to convince a stranger to sign something? Like i say, i do not know how these things work, but i would applaud Mr Cox for doing it the hard way rather than taking the easy route! angryangryangry
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12:59pm Thu 22 May 14

angryangryangry says...

From the BBC website - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-27517379

201,000 EU migrants came into the country in the past 12mths, 125,000 for work reasons - that leaves 76,000 people coming here for "other" reasons! Thats a lot of jobs gone to foreign people and a 76,000 here not working. Begs the question of what they are doing here? Claiming benefits?

Think UKIP have a point regarding their stance on immigration - whether you consider that racist or not!

Please do not label me a racist for pointing this out!
From the BBC website - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-27517379 201,000 EU migrants came into the country in the past 12mths, 125,000 for work reasons - that leaves 76,000 people coming here for "other" reasons! Thats a lot of jobs gone to foreign people and a 76,000 here not working. Begs the question of what they are doing here? Claiming benefits? Think UKIP have a point regarding their stance on immigration - whether you consider that racist or not! Please do not label me a racist for pointing this out! angryangryangry
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1:05pm Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

angryangryangry wrote:
Sara wrote:
As a successful agent of over 20 years standing and who speaks to ward residents all year round at the shops, schools, library, on buses, in the street, at local community events etc etc, as well as canvassing personally over 1,000 household,ds this year alone, I don't think I have the difficulty :)

But your Mayoral candidate said he asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. Many of the signatories are candidates this year and have been candidates for UKIP in the past. I was just saying that I was surprised most of the UKIP team are strangers to Phil.
Correct me if i am wrong as i do not know how these things work....but surely it is better that 10 strangers sign than 10 of your mates/colleagues/fam

ily etc sign? Anyone can get people they are friends with to sign something for them...but not everyone is able to convince a stranger to sign something?

Like i say, i do not know how these things work, but i would applaud Mr Cox for doing it the hard way rather than taking the easy route!
It's not hard, just harder. I actually like knocking on doors and meeting people. It gives you a feel of what people are thinking.

I like to think of it as a lot more honourable.

Each to their own.
[quote][p][bold]angryangryangry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: As a successful agent of over 20 years standing and who speaks to ward residents all year round at the shops, schools, library, on buses, in the street, at local community events etc etc, as well as canvassing personally over 1,000 household,ds this year alone, I don't think I have the difficulty :) But your Mayoral candidate said he asks strangers to sign his nomination papers. Many of the signatories are candidates this year and have been candidates for UKIP in the past. I was just saying that I was surprised most of the UKIP team are strangers to Phil.[/p][/quote]Correct me if i am wrong as i do not know how these things work....but surely it is better that 10 strangers sign than 10 of your mates/colleagues/fam ily etc sign? Anyone can get people they are friends with to sign something for them...but not everyone is able to convince a stranger to sign something? Like i say, i do not know how these things work, but i would applaud Mr Cox for doing it the hard way rather than taking the easy route![/p][/quote]It's not hard, just harder. I actually like knocking on doors and meeting people. It gives you a feel of what people are thinking. I like to think of it as a lot more honourable. Each to their own. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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