UKIP Watford mayoral candidate removes posters depicting Prophet Muhammad

UKIP Watford mayoral candidate removes posters mocking Prophet Muhammad

UKIP Watford mayoral candidate removes posters mocking Prophet Muhammad

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The UK Independence Party Watford mayoral candidate has taken down and handed in posters depicting the Prophet Muhammad to the police following a heated exchange over race at last night’s hustings debate.

Phil Cox was angered when Liberal Democrat mayor Dorothy Thornhill linked the rise of his party with growing anti-immigration sentiment and posters, which went up around West Watford at the weekend.

Mr Cox responded today saying the mayor was using the posters for “political ends”. He also said he had been round West Watford this morning and taken down the posters before handing them into the police.

The UKIP candidate said: “I think it was despicable of others on the stage to try to link these leaflets to UKIP standing in Watford.

"Any responsible person would have reported the issue to the police, not tried to make political capital out of it, yet that is exactly what some of the other candidates did, particularly I remember Dorothy linking them to UKIP standing in Watford for the first time at this Mayoral election.

“I and UKIP are disgusted by those who would seek to foment religious and racial hatred and those who would use such acts for political ends.”

A number of hand-drawn posters were put up around West Watford for “draw Muhammad day”. The posters carry a drawing of the Prophet with slogans such as “death to those who insult free speech”.

The posters are linked to a campaign that started in 2010 when an episode of the cartoon South Park was censored from depicting the Prophet.

At last night’s hustings Mayor Thornhill said she felt it was “no coincidence” the posters had appeared at the same time UKIP was on the rise in the town.

She said: “Be under no illusion, Watford would grind to a halt without the work that happens in our town through people who have come to our town from other countries. You only have to visit someone in a care home or walk through Watford General Hospital to know that.

“The person who is there (as mayor) has to have the credibility to stand up and be seen as somebody who would speak out against that and be the voice of minorities and to defend them.

"And I think it is no coincidence that at a time when we actually have a UKIP candidate standing for the election for the first time in a long time notes have gone up in West Watford that are specifically anti-Muslim.

“And what I am not saying is that that has been done by any UKIP supporter but what I am saying is I see it as it is almost permission to do that. That has not happened before and has happened this weekend."

Watford Observer:

Mayor Dorothy Thornhill.

Responding to the same question which prompted Mayor Thornhill’s comments at the hustings, Mr Cox said: “UKIP is not a racist party. I used to be in the Labour party and in those days I fought racism. I saved someone from being abused on a train in France from a bunch of foreign legionnaires.

"So I am not a racist and I find it offensive when someone calls me a racist or my party a racist.”

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5:43pm Tue 20 May 14

D_Penn says...

I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain.

That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event.

Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see.

I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.
I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain. That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event. Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see. I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions. D_Penn
  • Score: 51

8:01pm Tue 20 May 14

Oxhey Kev says...

I wasn't going to bother voting this year, but think I will now for UKIP. Lets call it a sympathy vote !
I wasn't going to bother voting this year, but think I will now for UKIP. Lets call it a sympathy vote ! Oxhey Kev
  • Score: 35

8:14pm Tue 20 May 14

UKIP-pal says...

“I and UKIP are disgusted by those who would seek to foment religious and racial hatred and those who would use such acts for political ends.”

then why have Patrick O'flynn as lead UKIP MEP candidate here

that is the guy who wrote this
" If we allow the uncontrolled expansion of non-integrated British Islam the character of our nation will be destroyed forever. To inflict the Muslim call to prayer on everyone with a Mosque in their area will have but one result - more so-called "white flight" out of urban areas and the creation of more Islamic ghettos."

" To ordinary British ears the wail of the Mosque is not just an unwelcome racket, but an alien and threatening sound"
“I and UKIP are disgusted by those who would seek to foment religious and racial hatred and those who would use such acts for political ends.” then why have Patrick O'flynn as lead UKIP MEP candidate here that is the guy who wrote this " If we allow the uncontrolled expansion of non-integrated British Islam the character of our nation will be destroyed forever. To inflict the Muslim call to prayer on everyone with a Mosque in their area will have but one result - more so-called "white flight" out of urban areas and the creation of more Islamic ghettos." " To ordinary British ears the wail of the Mosque is not just an unwelcome racket, but an alien and threatening sound" UKIP-pal
  • Score: -11

8:39pm Tue 20 May 14

watfordrick says...

Shut it Dolores !
Shut it Dolores ! watfordrick
  • Score: 13

8:45pm Tue 20 May 14

watfordrick says...

Lib Dem put these posters up to smear UKIP = DEFFO !
Lib Dem put these posters up to smear UKIP = DEFFO ! watfordrick
  • Score: 23

8:50pm Tue 20 May 14

Nick Lincoln says...

I was at the hustings event yesterday.

Mayor Thornhill's performance was reprehensible. Many of the LibDem councillors in the audience visibly grimaced as she launched into this diatribe. Bellicose before, they sat stony faced and dumb as Mayor Thornhill blithely associated a rise in Watford UKIP support with purportedly anti-Muslim notes appearing in West Watford.

It was an embarrassing display from an elected official who obviously sees no opportunity as being too crass or nonsensical to try and exploit.

The morons who troll here and elsewhere will always be convinced that UKIP are in some way racist because - like Australia, New Zealand, the USA etc - we favour controlled immigration.

The Internet is there for these people. It gives their lives meaning; hiding behind their pseudonyms they can vent their trivialities: Without such a release these people may well gravitate to more unpleasant, real, physical tribes, like the achingly-white-middl
e-class Hope Not Hate.

But for an elected Mayor to come out with this inciteful drivel is beyond the pale.

Last night, Dorothy Thornhill revealed a side to the "Liberal" character that derides "Democracy". Vote UKIP, she says, and you are part of an anti-Muslim campaign. Vote UKIP, she infers, and you are racist.

How do we feel about that, voters? Had enough of being talked down to?

Nick Lincoln
Chairman
UKIP Watford
I was at the hustings event yesterday. Mayor Thornhill's performance was reprehensible. Many of the LibDem councillors in the audience visibly grimaced as she launched into this diatribe. Bellicose before, they sat stony faced and dumb as Mayor Thornhill blithely associated a rise in Watford UKIP support with purportedly anti-Muslim notes appearing in West Watford. It was an embarrassing display from an elected official who obviously sees no opportunity as being too crass or nonsensical to try and exploit. The morons who troll here and elsewhere will always be convinced that UKIP are in some way racist because - like Australia, New Zealand, the USA etc - we favour controlled immigration. The Internet is there for these people. It gives their lives meaning; hiding behind their pseudonyms they can vent their trivialities: Without such a release these people may well gravitate to more unpleasant, real, physical tribes, like the achingly-white-middl e-class Hope Not Hate. But for an elected Mayor to come out with this inciteful drivel is beyond the pale. Last night, Dorothy Thornhill revealed a side to the "Liberal" character that derides "Democracy". Vote UKIP, she says, and you are part of an anti-Muslim campaign. Vote UKIP, she infers, and you are racist. How do we feel about that, voters? Had enough of being talked down to? Nick Lincoln Chairman UKIP Watford Nick Lincoln
  • Score: 29

9:23pm Tue 20 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well.

Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems.

Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford.

In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.
Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well. Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems. Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford. In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 20

9:35pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well.

Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems.

Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford.

In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.
or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist.

remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist
1/3 DK
1/3 not split

personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this.
It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this.

Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well. Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems. Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford. In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.[/p][/quote]or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist. remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist 1/3 DK 1/3 not split personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this. It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this. Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you ancientandageing
  • Score: -22

9:52pm Tue 20 May 14

jasonwatford says...

Tory all the way , rest are jokers
Tory all the way , rest are jokers jasonwatford
  • Score: -32

10:16pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

this may be of relevance in the coming weeks


http://www.standard.
co.uk/news/politics/
nigel-farage-faces-r
acism-watchdog-probe
-over-romanians-rema
rk-9404024.html …
this may be of relevance in the coming weeks http://www.standard. co.uk/news/politics/ nigel-farage-faces-r acism-watchdog-probe -over-romanians-rema rk-9404024.html … ancientandageing
  • Score: -13

10:19pm Tue 20 May 14

Cuetip says...

D_Penn wrote:
I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain.

That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event.

Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see.

I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.
Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ?
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain. That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event. Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see. I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.[/p][/quote]Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ? Cuetip
  • Score: 12

10:40pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Cuetip wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain.

That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event.

Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see.

I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.
Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ?
The problem with UKIP however is that it goes to the top
not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers, but yesterday Mr Farage was reported to the Equality and Human Rights Commission in a letter by Labour MP Keith Vaz.

I doth my cap to Mr Vaz for taking this action, well done good sir
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain. That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event. Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see. I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.[/p][/quote]Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ?[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP however is that it goes to the top not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers, but yesterday Mr Farage was reported to the Equality and Human Rights Commission in a letter by Labour MP Keith Vaz. I doth my cap to Mr Vaz for taking this action, well done good sir ancientandageing
  • Score: -21

10:54pm Tue 20 May 14

E.Coli says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Cuetip wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain.

That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event.

Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see.

I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.
Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ?
The problem with UKIP however is that it goes to the top
not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers, but yesterday Mr Farage was reported to the Equality and Human Rights Commission in a letter by Labour MP Keith Vaz.

I doth my cap to Mr Vaz for taking this action, well done good sir
You bell end
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain. That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event. Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see. I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.[/p][/quote]Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ?[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP however is that it goes to the top not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers, but yesterday Mr Farage was reported to the Equality and Human Rights Commission in a letter by Labour MP Keith Vaz. I doth my cap to Mr Vaz for taking this action, well done good sir[/p][/quote]You bell end E.Coli
  • Score: 16

10:57pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

E.Coli wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Cuetip wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain.

That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event.

Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see.

I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.
Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ?
The problem with UKIP however is that it goes to the top
not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers, but yesterday Mr Farage was reported to the Equality and Human Rights Commission in a letter by Labour MP Keith Vaz.

I doth my cap to Mr Vaz for taking this action, well done good sir
You bell end
I take that as a disagrement would you by anychance ne a UKIP supporter?
[quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I was at the meeting and appalled that, instead of the mayoral candidates attacking and condemning the despicable individuals who posted this highly offensive material, they tried to link it to UKIP for political gain. That has to go down as one of the worst pieces of self-centred electioneering I have ever witnessed. I was so disgusted it was the nearest I have ever been to walking out of a hustings event. Nobody knows who put up these posters or the reasons they are doing it, but if it is an attempt to discredit UKIP then I find it alarming that the mayoral candidates walked straight into the trap. By irresponsibly attacking UKIP instead of the perpertrators, it may encourage more of these posters to be put up, the exact reverse that any of us wants to see. I hope they will read this and reflect on their actions.[/p][/quote]Do you think all parties have hidden racists, ageists and sexists who are well shielded behind the growing pile of 'equality policies' ?[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP however is that it goes to the top not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers, but yesterday Mr Farage was reported to the Equality and Human Rights Commission in a letter by Labour MP Keith Vaz. I doth my cap to Mr Vaz for taking this action, well done good sir[/p][/quote]You bell end[/p][/quote]I take that as a disagrement would you by anychance ne a UKIP supporter? ancientandageing
  • Score: -9

11:01pm Tue 20 May 14

G_Whiz says...

So easy to smear any party - plenty of stuff out there involving the other three. And no party has been caught vote-rigging as much as the Liberals.

http://forums.digita
lspy.co.uk/showthrea
d.php?t=1964011

http://www.wokingnew
sandmail.co.uk/?p=39
48

http://iaindale.blog
spot.co.uk/2008/01/l
ibdems-look-both-way
s-on-electoral.html
So easy to smear any party - plenty of stuff out there involving the other three. And no party has been caught vote-rigging as much as the Liberals. http://forums.digita lspy.co.uk/showthrea d.php?t=1964011 http://www.wokingnew sandmail.co.uk/?p=39 48 http://iaindale.blog spot.co.uk/2008/01/l ibdems-look-both-way s-on-electoral.html G_Whiz
  • Score: 11

11:13pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

G_Whiz wrote:
So easy to smear any party - plenty of stuff out there involving the other three. And no party has been caught vote-rigging as much as the Liberals.

http://forums.digita

lspy.co.uk/showthrea

d.php?t=1964011

http://www.wokingnew

sandmail.co.uk/?p=39

48

http://iaindale.blog

spot.co.uk/2008/01/l

ibdems-look-both-way

s-on-electoral.html
So What 2005/2008 and cllrs at the bottom this is the UKIP party leader being reported and being reported this week.
[quote][p][bold]G_Whiz[/bold] wrote: So easy to smear any party - plenty of stuff out there involving the other three. And no party has been caught vote-rigging as much as the Liberals. http://forums.digita lspy.co.uk/showthrea d.php?t=1964011 http://www.wokingnew sandmail.co.uk/?p=39 48 http://iaindale.blog spot.co.uk/2008/01/l ibdems-look-both-way s-on-electoral.html[/p][/quote]So What 2005/2008 and cllrs at the bottom this is the UKIP party leader being reported and being reported this week. ancientandageing
  • Score: -14

11:14pm Tue 20 May 14

G_Whiz says...

Surely the Lib-Dems realise that their continued soft on crime, support for high immigration and love of the failing European Union (New world Order) stance is so very unpopular.

As usual, so naive!
Surely the Lib-Dems realise that their continued soft on crime, support for high immigration and love of the failing European Union (New world Order) stance is so very unpopular. As usual, so naive! G_Whiz
  • Score: 21

11:19pm Tue 20 May 14

D_Penn says...

@ancientandageing wrote...

"not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers"

Have a look what the respected journalist Peter Hitchens wrote about 'The newspapers' and the parties...

"I have taken a close interest in British politics since I was a schoolboy, and I have never seen a more disgraceful alliance between politicians and their media toadies than the one that has been secretly made to do down UKIP."

This is an insiders view of the shenanigans which are going on behind the scenes to co-ordinate attacks on UKIP. The modern media and politicians hate UKIP because we stand up for decency, honesty and will not stand by whilst they wreck this country with their money wasting and power grabbing philosophies that are bleeding Britain dry. The ordinary man in the street has at last woken up to what has being going on and knows it has to change.

The problem is that the existing parties don't want anything to change. They certainly do not want a fourth force in British politics showing them up for the dismal failures they all are.

They've tried attacking UKIP's policies and failed because, as they have discovered, that we are actually offering to give people what they are asking for. In a last desperate throw of the dice the terrified elite are desperately looking for any mud to sling and, with the shameful aid of the media, are taking any anti-UKIP non-story and blowing up into an epic drama, hoping that the gullible will be taken in by it. Judging by some of the trolls on here, they have had some success, but most people are not so easily taken in and the attack is weakening and their credibility wanes.

People who investigate for themselves and actually talk to real UKIP people in the streets and on the doorsteps quickly realise that UKIP is not a racist party and they have been duped and fed lies by the old parties and the media for their own ends.

If you are an neutral and think I am just making up conspiracy theories, try this.

Type into Google 'Labour Councillor suspended' and see the myriad of stories of appalling behaviour from racism to paedophilia that comes up.

Repeat for 'Conservative Councillor suspended' and, unsurprisingly, racism, assault etc., stories pour out.

Yes, try it again using 'Liberal Democrat Councillor suspended' and again the horror stories unfold (child rape being the topic of the first entry - and no, it's not Cyril Smith).

Now ask yourself why all these stories never appear in major news stories yet every minor UKIP one makes the headlines and the BBC.

The smart ones amongst you already no the answer from the old saying...
'If voting changed anything, they'd ban it.'

Well, UKIP's trying to change things and, as I have proven, the establishment is doing its lying best to stop it.

Don't let them. VOTE UKIP.
@ancientandageing wrote... "not only are the remarks of the leader recognized as racist by The newspapers" Have a look what the respected journalist Peter Hitchens wrote about 'The newspapers' and the parties... "I have taken a close interest in British politics since I was a schoolboy, and I have never seen a more disgraceful alliance between politicians and their media toadies than the one that has been secretly made to do down UKIP." This is an insiders view of the shenanigans which are going on behind the scenes to co-ordinate attacks on UKIP. The modern media and politicians hate UKIP because we stand up for decency, honesty and will not stand by whilst they wreck this country with their money wasting and power grabbing philosophies that are bleeding Britain dry. The ordinary man in the street has at last woken up to what has being going on and knows it has to change. The problem is that the existing parties don't want anything to change. They certainly do not want a fourth force in British politics showing them up for the dismal failures they all are. They've tried attacking UKIP's policies and failed because, as they have discovered, that we are actually offering to give people what they are asking for. In a last desperate throw of the dice the terrified elite are desperately looking for any mud to sling and, with the shameful aid of the media, are taking any anti-UKIP non-story and blowing up into an epic drama, hoping that the gullible will be taken in by it. Judging by some of the trolls on here, they have had some success, but most people are not so easily taken in and the attack is weakening and their credibility wanes. People who investigate for themselves and actually talk to real UKIP people in the streets and on the doorsteps quickly realise that UKIP is not a racist party and they have been duped and fed lies by the old parties and the media for their own ends. If you are an neutral and think I am just making up conspiracy theories, try this. Type into Google 'Labour Councillor suspended' and see the myriad of stories of appalling behaviour from racism to paedophilia that comes up. Repeat for 'Conservative Councillor suspended' and, unsurprisingly, racism, assault etc., stories pour out. Yes, try it again using 'Liberal Democrat Councillor suspended' and again the horror stories unfold (child rape being the topic of the first entry - and no, it's not Cyril Smith). Now ask yourself why all these stories never appear in major news stories yet every minor UKIP one makes the headlines and the BBC. The smart ones amongst you already no the answer from the old saying... 'If voting changed anything, they'd ban it.' Well, UKIP's trying to change things and, as I have proven, the establishment is doing its lying best to stop it. Don't let them. VOTE UKIP. D_Penn
  • Score: 13

11:53pm Tue 20 May 14

ancientandageing says...

G_Whiz wrote:
So easy to smear any party - plenty of stuff out there involving the other three. And no party has been caught vote-rigging as much as the Liberals.

http://forums.digita

lspy.co.uk/showthrea

d.php?t=1964011

http://www.wokingnew

sandmail.co.uk/?p=39

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http://iaindale.blog

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David Your post seems pure fantasy to me clearly we may as well live on different planets with different newspapers, different deffinitions of words and concepts, and different political partys.
Now in both your party will do well in the Euro elections, in mine this is a disaster, an embaresment and a huge mistake, the only upside being that it will give a few months for people to realize what a bonkers racist party UKIP is. that is a view I hold of UKIP (that it is bomkers and racist) iy is an opinion I hold aswell and is stated as both not as fact.
Now in your world UKIP will do well and everyone will see how wonderfull they are, that they are not bonkers and not bonkers, maybe thats oversimplfying things oversimplfiying but broadly it is your position.

You appear not to have any inclination to believe that UKIP are a racist party beyond instances at the very fringe of the party, well I think you are wrong, that it goes much further than that.
Time will tell
I also think that your party will in time pay a heavy price for its stance that it is all on the fringe, that far from being a clause four moment it is a Tuition fee moment, but again time will tell.
You can however rest assured that I will find a way to work against UKIP becouse I hold it to be wholly negative and against whar I believe in. I may achieve nothing or much but I will be secure in the knowledge I have tried and that will do.
As a person I wish you well but as a politicean he hope you fail, primarily becouse of your failure to entertain the thought that UKIP could actually be racist.
[quote][p][bold]G_Whiz[/bold] wrote: So easy to smear any party - plenty of stuff out there involving the other three. And no party has been caught vote-rigging as much as the Liberals. http://forums.digita lspy.co.uk/showthrea d.php?t=1964011 http://www.wokingnew sandmail.co.uk/?p=39 48 http://iaindale.blog spot.co.uk/2008/01/l ibdems-look-both-way s-on-electoral.html[/p][/quote]David Your post seems pure fantasy to me clearly we may as well live on different planets with different newspapers, different deffinitions of words and concepts, and different political partys. Now in both your party will do well in the Euro elections, in mine this is a disaster, an embaresment and a huge mistake, the only upside being that it will give a few months for people to realize what a bonkers racist party UKIP is. that is a view I hold of UKIP (that it is bomkers and racist) iy is an opinion I hold aswell and is stated as both not as fact. Now in your world UKIP will do well and everyone will see how wonderfull they are, that they are not bonkers and not bonkers, maybe thats oversimplfying things oversimplfiying but broadly it is your position. You appear not to have any inclination to believe that UKIP are a racist party beyond instances at the very fringe of the party, well I think you are wrong, that it goes much further than that. Time will tell I also think that your party will in time pay a heavy price for its stance that it is all on the fringe, that far from being a clause four moment it is a Tuition fee moment, but again time will tell. You can however rest assured that I will find a way to work against UKIP becouse I hold it to be wholly negative and against whar I believe in. I may achieve nothing or much but I will be secure in the knowledge I have tried and that will do. As a person I wish you well but as a politicean he hope you fail, primarily becouse of your failure to entertain the thought that UKIP could actually be racist. ancientandageing
  • Score: -12

12:28am Wed 21 May 14

Popeonarope says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well.

Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems.

Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford.

In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.
or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist.

remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist
1/3 DK
1/3 not split

personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this.
It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this.

Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you
Are you still going on about racism... ? The desperation is becoming obvious.

Labour has no credibility; it was destroyed by the war criminal Blair and the fraud Brown. They are currently led by a faceless wet blanket who doesn't have a clue about how to recover the public's trust. I consider myself a socialist yet cannot see myself voting Labour until they make amends for the mess they created and return their values to a level i recognise.

Your attempt to label anyone who raises concerns about immigration as racist shows your utter reliance on PC indoctrination. I can honestly say that after being the victim of crime not once but twice this week by easterm european individuals in Deptford, i am wondering if stricter border controls would have stopped me from having my mobile phone snatched and my car targeted by thieves. Does that make me a racist? No, it makes me want a government who will take immigration issues seriously and act on them.

Your racist this and racist that smearing of anyone who wants to stand up for their own interests is odd. I can only assume you have not traveled widely or at least to parts of the world that truly do invoke racism above and beyond anything we have in this extremely tolerant country we live in.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well. Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems. Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford. In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.[/p][/quote]or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist. remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist 1/3 DK 1/3 not split personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this. It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this. Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you[/p][/quote]Are you still going on about racism... ? The desperation is becoming obvious. Labour has no credibility; it was destroyed by the war criminal Blair and the fraud Brown. They are currently led by a faceless wet blanket who doesn't have a clue about how to recover the public's trust. I consider myself a socialist yet cannot see myself voting Labour until they make amends for the mess they created and return their values to a level i recognise. Your attempt to label anyone who raises concerns about immigration as racist shows your utter reliance on PC indoctrination. I can honestly say that after being the victim of crime not once but twice this week by easterm european individuals in Deptford, i am wondering if stricter border controls would have stopped me from having my mobile phone snatched and my car targeted by thieves. Does that make me a racist? No, it makes me want a government who will take immigration issues seriously and act on them. Your racist this and racist that smearing of anyone who wants to stand up for their own interests is odd. I can only assume you have not traveled widely or at least to parts of the world that truly do invoke racism above and beyond anything we have in this extremely tolerant country we live in. Popeonarope
  • Score: 19

1:32am Wed 21 May 14

LSC says...

I'll just be astonished if anyone bothers to vote at all. Bunch of chancers, the lot of them. Everything that is wrong with UK politics. Social standing and egos.
I'll just be astonished if anyone bothers to vote at all. Bunch of chancers, the lot of them. Everything that is wrong with UK politics. Social standing and egos. LSC
  • Score: 5

1:34am Wed 21 May 14

ancientandageing says...

Popeonarope wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well.

Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems.

Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford.

In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.
or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist.

remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist
1/3 DK
1/3 not split

personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this.
It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this.

Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you
Are you still going on about racism... ? The desperation is becoming obvious.

Labour has no credibility; it was destroyed by the war criminal Blair and the fraud Brown. They are currently led by a faceless wet blanket who doesn't have a clue about how to recover the public's trust. I consider myself a socialist yet cannot see myself voting Labour until they make amends for the mess they created and return their values to a level i recognise.

Your attempt to label anyone who raises concerns about immigration as racist shows your utter reliance on PC indoctrination. I can honestly say that after being the victim of crime not once but twice this week by easterm european individuals in Deptford, i am wondering if stricter border controls would have stopped me from having my mobile phone snatched and my car targeted by thieves. Does that make me a racist? No, it makes me want a government who will take immigration issues seriously and act on them.

Your racist this and racist that smearing of anyone who wants to stand up for their own interests is odd. I can only assume you have not traveled widely or at least to parts of the world that truly do invoke racism above and beyond anything we have in this extremely tolerant country we live in.
I get its only a bit of racisem so thats alright then, sorry it is not.
That said there idoes seem to be a futilty in fighting this fight in the Watford Observer for some reason.
[quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well. Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems. Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford. In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.[/p][/quote]or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist. remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist 1/3 DK 1/3 not split personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this. It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this. Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you[/p][/quote]Are you still going on about racism... ? The desperation is becoming obvious. Labour has no credibility; it was destroyed by the war criminal Blair and the fraud Brown. They are currently led by a faceless wet blanket who doesn't have a clue about how to recover the public's trust. I consider myself a socialist yet cannot see myself voting Labour until they make amends for the mess they created and return their values to a level i recognise. Your attempt to label anyone who raises concerns about immigration as racist shows your utter reliance on PC indoctrination. I can honestly say that after being the victim of crime not once but twice this week by easterm european individuals in Deptford, i am wondering if stricter border controls would have stopped me from having my mobile phone snatched and my car targeted by thieves. Does that make me a racist? No, it makes me want a government who will take immigration issues seriously and act on them. Your racist this and racist that smearing of anyone who wants to stand up for their own interests is odd. I can only assume you have not traveled widely or at least to parts of the world that truly do invoke racism above and beyond anything we have in this extremely tolerant country we live in.[/p][/quote]I get its only a bit of racisem so thats alright then, sorry it is not. That said there idoes seem to be a futilty in fighting this fight in the Watford Observer for some reason. ancientandageing
  • Score: -17

8:20am Wed 21 May 14

watfordbornandbred says...

perhaps this is just a simplistic view of mine, but i think most people in this country want a stop to immigration, not because we are racist, not because we are UKIP but because this countries infrastructure CANNOT COPE!!!!.... everything from schools, hospitals, services, housing is at breaking point... i wont vote UKIP because they do contain crackpots and racists but then so does EVERY party.......

For example a friend of mine works at Watford General, they have admitted that god forbid there should be some major incident in Watford or nearby the Hospital would not cope and go into meltdown.

just saying
perhaps this is just a simplistic view of mine, but i think most people in this country want a stop to immigration, not because we are racist, not because we are UKIP but because this countries infrastructure CANNOT COPE!!!!.... everything from schools, hospitals, services, housing is at breaking point... i wont vote UKIP because they do contain crackpots and racists but then so does EVERY party....... For example a friend of mine works at Watford General, they have admitted that god forbid there should be some major incident in Watford or nearby the Hospital would not cope and go into meltdown. just saying watfordbornandbred
  • Score: 27

9:08am Wed 21 May 14

D_Penn says...

watfordbornandbred wrote:
perhaps this is just a simplistic view of mine, but i think most people in this country want a stop to immigration, not because we are racist, not because we are UKIP but because this countries infrastructure CANNOT COPE!!!!.... everything from schools, hospitals, services, housing is at breaking point... i wont vote UKIP because they do contain crackpots and racists but then so does EVERY party.......

For example a friend of mine works at Watford General, they have admitted that god forbid there should be some major incident in Watford or nearby the Hospital would not cope and go into meltdown.

just saying
You are right about immigration, but have been totally misled by the media about UKIP. All parties contain crackpots and racists - just read my earlier post above.

If you do not believe me, come and meet the UKIP people in Watford and you will disovert a professional group of people, all strongly anti-racist, from a range of backgrounds, who are committed to the policy of returning proper immigration control to this country. As you are clearly aware, we do not have the space or infrastructure to cope with mass immigration that is happening to the detriment of all living here, immigrant and native Britain alike. You want it stopped and the only way you are going to achieve that is by voting UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: perhaps this is just a simplistic view of mine, but i think most people in this country want a stop to immigration, not because we are racist, not because we are UKIP but because this countries infrastructure CANNOT COPE!!!!.... everything from schools, hospitals, services, housing is at breaking point... i wont vote UKIP because they do contain crackpots and racists but then so does EVERY party....... For example a friend of mine works at Watford General, they have admitted that god forbid there should be some major incident in Watford or nearby the Hospital would not cope and go into meltdown. just saying[/p][/quote]You are right about immigration, but have been totally misled by the media about UKIP. All parties contain crackpots and racists - just read my earlier post above. If you do not believe me, come and meet the UKIP people in Watford and you will disovert a professional group of people, all strongly anti-racist, from a range of backgrounds, who are committed to the policy of returning proper immigration control to this country. As you are clearly aware, we do not have the space or infrastructure to cope with mass immigration that is happening to the detriment of all living here, immigrant and native Britain alike. You want it stopped and the only way you are going to achieve that is by voting UKIP. D_Penn
  • Score: 4

9:22am Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

UKIP does not wish to stop immigration.

We in UKIP believe immigration should be managed in the same was as other civilised countries like Australia, Canada and the USA manage their immigration, as we used to manage immigration in the UK.

It's not racist, it's common sense, but only UKIP offer this policy.

The other failed parties cannot offer the same policy because the EU won't let them and they are determined to stay in the EU, so they call UKIP racist and hope that will put people off supporting UKIP. It hasn't worked very well so far, has it? UKIP support is growing whilst the other parties are falling.

Even the EU does not have open borders and for very good reason. Why should we?
UKIP does not wish to stop immigration. We in UKIP believe immigration should be managed in the same was as other civilised countries like Australia, Canada and the USA manage their immigration, as we used to manage immigration in the UK. It's not racist, it's common sense, but only UKIP offer this policy. The other failed parties cannot offer the same policy because the EU won't let them and they are determined to stay in the EU, so they call UKIP racist and hope that will put people off supporting UKIP. It hasn't worked very well so far, has it? UKIP support is growing whilst the other parties are falling. Even the EU does not have open borders and for very good reason. Why should we? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 9

9:28am Wed 21 May 14

watfordbornandbred says...

Dont you dare patronise me by telling me i have been mislead by anyone, you condesending, patronising, arrogant ......

just the sort of rubbish that makes ordinary voters completely turn off from politics, smug self serving gutter dwelling parasites.

just saying!!!!!!
Dont you dare patronise me by telling me i have been mislead by anyone, you condesending, patronising, arrogant ...... just the sort of rubbish that makes ordinary voters completely turn off from politics, smug self serving gutter dwelling parasites. just saying!!!!!! watfordbornandbred
  • Score: 3

9:45am Wed 21 May 14

MJ1 says...

Lets be clear.No one accused Phil Cox of being a racist at the mayoal hustings.
What was challenged was his suitability to be mayor by standing on a UKIP ticket. His party is currently campaigning on the doorstep and with leaflets on the issue of immigration. Europe takes second stage. They are deliberately stirring up fears and anxiety amongst people who are worieed about their living standards and housing by scapegoating immigrants and making vastly over stated claims about numbers. It's a fact that more British people live and work in mainland Euripe than people from other EU states live and work in the UK.
However it gets worse, UKIPs leader deliberately targets some ethnic groups, proimarily Romanian (of which thee are very few here) ad make statements about being overwhelmed by non-english speakers. This is what stirs up racial tension.
Watfod is a diverse and multi-cultural community. we live in harmomny fre from the tensions that blight some towns - particularly in the North West. Whith a UKIP mayopr all that could change. It would give licence to racists to stir things even further. So I say vote Labour on Thursday and however then you vote - don't vote UKIP.
Lets be clear.No one accused Phil Cox of being a racist at the mayoal hustings. What was challenged was his suitability to be mayor by standing on a UKIP ticket. His party is currently campaigning on the doorstep and with leaflets on the issue of immigration. Europe takes second stage. They are deliberately stirring up fears and anxiety amongst people who are worieed about their living standards and housing by scapegoating immigrants and making vastly over stated claims about numbers. It's a fact that more British people live and work in mainland Euripe than people from other EU states live and work in the UK. However it gets worse, UKIPs leader deliberately targets some ethnic groups, proimarily Romanian (of which thee are very few here) ad make statements about being overwhelmed by non-english speakers. This is what stirs up racial tension. Watfod is a diverse and multi-cultural community. we live in harmomny fre from the tensions that blight some towns - particularly in the North West. Whith a UKIP mayopr all that could change. It would give licence to racists to stir things even further. So I say vote Labour on Thursday and however then you vote - don't vote UKIP. MJ1
  • Score: -14

9:59am Wed 21 May 14

Leather Sofas says...

We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/
Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble Leather Sofas
  • Score: -15

10:06am Wed 21 May 14

perry1990 says...

A political party that wants to control our immigration should not be branded as racist. I think the British population of this country have had enough of pussyfooting around the subject of immigration and people have been walking on egg shells about this topic as they're feared of being labelled as racist!!!!

I think as a nation we need to be more selfish and preserve all the things that are right with this country.

When I tick the UKIP box on the polling card tomorrow evening , will that categorise me a racist? NO it does not and I find it extremely offensive that these snotty politicians think they have the right to say this !!!!

Do not let these people put you off voting for UKIP !!!!!!!!!
A political party that wants to control our immigration should not be branded as racist. I think the British population of this country have had enough of pussyfooting around the subject of immigration and people have been walking on egg shells about this topic as they're feared of being labelled as racist!!!! I think as a nation we need to be more selfish and preserve all the things that are right with this country. When I tick the UKIP box on the polling card tomorrow evening , will that categorise me a racist? NO it does not and I find it extremely offensive that these snotty politicians think they have the right to say this !!!! Do not let these people put you off voting for UKIP !!!!!!!!! perry1990
  • Score: 16

10:07am Wed 21 May 14

D_Penn says...

watfordbornandbred wrote:
Dont you dare patronise me by telling me i have been mislead by anyone, you condesending, patronising, arrogant ......

just the sort of rubbish that makes ordinary voters completely turn off from politics, smug self serving gutter dwelling parasites.

just saying!!!!!!
That's way over the top.

You said you would not vote because all parties have crackpots and racists. That is true.

But your stance is very unfair because the huge majority of people in ALL parties are neither crackpots or racists. At local level, every political activist works hard for no reward and in return receive plenty of grief. Why do we all do it? Because at heart each of us believe we can make this country a better place. We may argue and fight because we believe our policies and approach to be best, but most of the ordinary ground level troops in all parties give up lots of time and money, not for their personal benefit, but because they believe they can make things better for people and their children and grandchildren.

We all have to suffer the pain when a wrong 'un comes out of the woodwork, undermining our efforts, or when one of the party leaders handles a situation badly and the media feasts on it. UKIP, Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Green; we've all been stitched up at one time or another. That's what I meant when I said you have been misled. When you're on the inside and know the truth of what really went on and compare it with the way it gets reported you are quickly reminded that the primary aims of the national press is to sell papers by over-dramatising and to adhere to the political bias required by their owners.

So speaking up for all party workers here (all of whom are on their knees right now after weeks of campaigning), please do us a favour and give us some credit for not sitting back and moaning about this country, but actually getting off our seats and trying to do something about it despite the stick we have to take.
[quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: Dont you dare patronise me by telling me i have been mislead by anyone, you condesending, patronising, arrogant ...... just the sort of rubbish that makes ordinary voters completely turn off from politics, smug self serving gutter dwelling parasites. just saying!!!!!![/p][/quote]That's way over the top. You said you would not vote because all parties have crackpots and racists. That is true. But your stance is very unfair because the huge majority of people in ALL parties are neither crackpots or racists. At local level, every political activist works hard for no reward and in return receive plenty of grief. Why do we all do it? Because at heart each of us believe we can make this country a better place. We may argue and fight because we believe our policies and approach to be best, but most of the ordinary ground level troops in all parties give up lots of time and money, not for their personal benefit, but because they believe they can make things better for people and their children and grandchildren. We all have to suffer the pain when a wrong 'un comes out of the woodwork, undermining our efforts, or when one of the party leaders handles a situation badly and the media feasts on it. UKIP, Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Green; we've all been stitched up at one time or another. That's what I meant when I said you have been misled. When you're on the inside and know the truth of what really went on and compare it with the way it gets reported you are quickly reminded that the primary aims of the national press is to sell papers by over-dramatising and to adhere to the political bias required by their owners. So speaking up for all party workers here (all of whom are on their knees right now after weeks of campaigning), please do us a favour and give us some credit for not sitting back and moaning about this country, but actually getting off our seats and trying to do something about it despite the stick we have to take. D_Penn
  • Score: 9

10:12am Wed 21 May 14

D_Penn says...

Leather Sofas wrote:
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/

Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
The only dangerous extremist here is you mate.

Lock up people for their political views? Stalin would be proud of you!
[quote][p][bold]Leather Sofas[/bold] wrote: We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble[/p][/quote]The only dangerous extremist here is you mate. Lock up people for their political views? Stalin would be proud of you! D_Penn
  • Score: 13

10:34am Wed 21 May 14

angryangryangry says...

Leather Sofas wrote:
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/

Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
So does that mean you would ban the Green party and all other parties? Crazy, go take your meds or have a lie down!
[quote][p][bold]Leather Sofas[/bold] wrote: We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble[/p][/quote]So does that mean you would ban the Green party and all other parties? Crazy, go take your meds or have a lie down! angryangryangry
  • Score: 4

10:34am Wed 21 May 14

TRT says...

I have to say I watched that Newsnight interview with Farage, and I've never before seen anyone make a fool out of Paxman. I thought Farage came over very well indeed - his inexperience shows, and he's made some mistakes but he's quite right that the media are absolutely hounding his party down over them whilst letting other parties off lightly. I'm not entirely sure why, either, but having seen the way the government influence the media... well, someone's running scared.
Personally, I think we've done fairly well out of Europe, though some of the harmonised trade regulations have left us in a real pickle, and only for political reasons.
I have to say I watched that Newsnight interview with Farage, and I've never before seen anyone make a fool out of Paxman. I thought Farage came over very well indeed - his inexperience shows, and he's made some mistakes but he's quite right that the media are absolutely hounding his party down over them whilst letting other parties off lightly. I'm not entirely sure why, either, but having seen the way the government influence the media... well, someone's running scared. Personally, I think we've done fairly well out of Europe, though some of the harmonised trade regulations have left us in a real pickle, and only for political reasons. TRT
  • Score: 7

10:36am Wed 21 May 14

E.Coli says...

Leather Sofas wrote:
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/

Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
Are you from North Korea by any chance ?
[quote][p][bold]Leather Sofas[/bold] wrote: We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble[/p][/quote]Are you from North Korea by any chance ? E.Coli
  • Score: 6

10:40am Wed 21 May 14

watfordbornandbred says...

D_Penn wrote:
watfordbornandbred wrote: Dont you dare patronise me by telling me i have been mislead by anyone, you condesending, patronising, arrogant ...... just the sort of rubbish that makes ordinary voters completely turn off from politics, smug self serving gutter dwelling parasites. just saying!!!!!!
That's way over the top. You said you would not vote because all parties have crackpots and racists. That is true. But your stance is very unfair because the huge majority of people in ALL parties are neither crackpots or racists. At local level, every political activist works hard for no reward and in return receive plenty of grief. Why do we all do it? Because at heart each of us believe we can make this country a better place. We may argue and fight because we believe our policies and approach to be best, but most of the ordinary ground level troops in all parties give up lots of time and money, not for their personal benefit, but because they believe they can make things better for people and their children and grandchildren. We all have to suffer the pain when a wrong 'un comes out of the woodwork, undermining our efforts, or when one of the party leaders handles a situation badly and the media feasts on it. UKIP, Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Green; we've all been stitched up at one time or another. That's what I meant when I said you have been misled. When you're on the inside and know the truth of what really went on and compare it with the way it gets reported you are quickly reminded that the primary aims of the national press is to sell papers by over-dramatising and to adhere to the political bias required by their owners. So speaking up for all party workers here (all of whom are on their knees right now after weeks of campaigning), please do us a favour and give us some credit for not sitting back and moaning about this country, but actually getting off our seats and trying to do something about it despite the stick we have to take.
id love to get off my "seat" but sadly like the vast majority of people i work an exceptionally long week, trying to hold down a job in an employers market where less qualified and less experienced workers are more cheaply available. i then go home to look after 3 children.

So no i dont get off my seat!!!

what you fail to appreciate is that at the end of the day every party has their supporters, they will vote only one way and never change. The rest of us have to be persuaded to vote, not patronised, or given a load of bull. if you come across as bullying self serving ONE DIMENSIONAL party( and this goes for ANY party.) why should i vote for you or anyone else?

and for another thing realistically whether you like it or not UKIP is a one policy one person party. I dont care what you say you are, stop anyone in the street and ask them to name 3 famous UKIP faces....they will name ONE!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: Dont you dare patronise me by telling me i have been mislead by anyone, you condesending, patronising, arrogant ...... just the sort of rubbish that makes ordinary voters completely turn off from politics, smug self serving gutter dwelling parasites. just saying!!!!!![/p][/quote]That's way over the top. You said you would not vote because all parties have crackpots and racists. That is true. But your stance is very unfair because the huge majority of people in ALL parties are neither crackpots or racists. At local level, every political activist works hard for no reward and in return receive plenty of grief. Why do we all do it? Because at heart each of us believe we can make this country a better place. We may argue and fight because we believe our policies and approach to be best, but most of the ordinary ground level troops in all parties give up lots of time and money, not for their personal benefit, but because they believe they can make things better for people and their children and grandchildren. We all have to suffer the pain when a wrong 'un comes out of the woodwork, undermining our efforts, or when one of the party leaders handles a situation badly and the media feasts on it. UKIP, Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Green; we've all been stitched up at one time or another. That's what I meant when I said you have been misled. When you're on the inside and know the truth of what really went on and compare it with the way it gets reported you are quickly reminded that the primary aims of the national press is to sell papers by over-dramatising and to adhere to the political bias required by their owners. So speaking up for all party workers here (all of whom are on their knees right now after weeks of campaigning), please do us a favour and give us some credit for not sitting back and moaning about this country, but actually getting off our seats and trying to do something about it despite the stick we have to take.[/p][/quote]id love to get off my "seat" but sadly like the vast majority of people i work an exceptionally long week, trying to hold down a job in an employers market where less qualified and less experienced workers are more cheaply available. i then go home to look after 3 children. So no i dont get off my seat!!! what you fail to appreciate is that at the end of the day every party has their supporters, they will vote only one way and never change. The rest of us have to be persuaded to vote, not patronised, or given a load of bull. if you come across as bullying self serving ONE DIMENSIONAL party( and this goes for ANY party.) why should i vote for you or anyone else? and for another thing realistically whether you like it or not UKIP is a one policy one person party. I dont care what you say you are, stop anyone in the street and ask them to name 3 famous UKIP faces....they will name ONE!!!!!!! watfordbornandbred
  • Score: 1

11:07am Wed 21 May 14

G_Whiz says...

LSC wrote:
I'll just be astonished if anyone bothers to vote at all. Bunch of chancers, the lot of them. Everything that is wrong with UK politics. Social standing and egos.
I think deep down, everyone agrees with that in some way!
[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: I'll just be astonished if anyone bothers to vote at all. Bunch of chancers, the lot of them. Everything that is wrong with UK politics. Social standing and egos.[/p][/quote]I think deep down, everyone agrees with that in some way! G_Whiz
  • Score: 7

11:10am Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

MJ1 wrote:
Lets be clear.No one accused Phil Cox of being a racist at the mayoal hustings.
What was challenged was his suitability to be mayor by standing on a UKIP ticket. His party is currently campaigning on the doorstep and with leaflets on the issue of immigration. Europe takes second stage. They are deliberately stirring up fears and anxiety amongst people who are worieed about their living standards and housing by scapegoating immigrants and making vastly over stated claims about numbers. It's a fact that more British people live and work in mainland Euripe than people from other EU states live and work in the UK.
However it gets worse, UKIPs leader deliberately targets some ethnic groups, proimarily Romanian (of which thee are very few here) ad make statements about being overwhelmed by non-english speakers. This is what stirs up racial tension.
Watfod is a diverse and multi-cultural community. we live in harmomny fre from the tensions that blight some towns - particularly in the North West. Whith a UKIP mayopr all that could change. It would give licence to racists to stir things even further. So I say vote Labour on Thursday and however then you vote - don't vote UKIP.
Mike is funny. He says let's stop racism but whatever you do, do not vote for the candidate who has personally fought racism and who was the only one to take action to remove anti-muslim leaflets from the streets of Watford. Labour logic? You decide.

There is no chance whatsoever of any race problems under a UKIP Mayor, quite the opposite. Having an anti-racist Mayor can only be good for a mixed town like Watford, and that is exactly what I would be. No nonsense!

Mike is just stirring up fear for party political ends. Typical Labour one might say. Typical opportunist Labour.

After all, which party was it that made merry with the anti-muslim posters at a political meeting but did absolutely nothing about the problem? LABOUR

It was Jagtar's ward for goodness sake, Vicarage. He is an elected councillor for Vicarage, or has he forgotten?

Did Jagtar or Labour take any posters down? NO, they failed the people of Vicarage.

Did Jagtar report it to the police? NO, he failed the people of Vicarage.

Jagtar did NOTHING about it. Nothing at all but use it for party political ends. Shameful? You decide.

Is Jagtar the sort of person you would like running the Town Hall? I certainly hope not. He and his party are clearly not up to the job. He would fail the whole town in future, not just the people of Vicarage ward whilst pursuing failed and expensive Labour policies. Even his manifesto is all over the place and light on actual Mayoral direction. The Labour party have no ideas, no vision.

Labour cannot win the Watford Mayoral race. Jagtar's shameful actions on Monday do not help, they show him for the political opportunist he really is.

I would urge people to vote anything but Labour at this election.

Labour have not changed. They are still the same people running the party who failed this town 12 years ago in such spectacular fashion.

Watford needs better. Jagtar would only make things worse, not better.

If you can't think of who to put for your second vote, it would be better not to second vote at all than put Labour. We want to make this town better, not return it to the basket case it was 12 years ago.

The Candidates will all be on Vibe Radio this evening. Listen in and make your own mind up, but please, whatever you do, do not vote for those who would stir racist tensions in the town and then do nothing about the actual problem.

UKIP first mayoral vote, blank or Conservative second would be my recommendation.

Why? It's not that the conservatives are any good, they are failed in Watford with their last councillor defecting to the LibDems, but we really need a change from Dorothy and anything would be better than another term of Dorothy, with the exception of the Labour party who would be truly awful.

It's just common sense.

Vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]MJ1[/bold] wrote: Lets be clear.No one accused Phil Cox of being a racist at the mayoal hustings. What was challenged was his suitability to be mayor by standing on a UKIP ticket. His party is currently campaigning on the doorstep and with leaflets on the issue of immigration. Europe takes second stage. They are deliberately stirring up fears and anxiety amongst people who are worieed about their living standards and housing by scapegoating immigrants and making vastly over stated claims about numbers. It's a fact that more British people live and work in mainland Euripe than people from other EU states live and work in the UK. However it gets worse, UKIPs leader deliberately targets some ethnic groups, proimarily Romanian (of which thee are very few here) ad make statements about being overwhelmed by non-english speakers. This is what stirs up racial tension. Watfod is a diverse and multi-cultural community. we live in harmomny fre from the tensions that blight some towns - particularly in the North West. Whith a UKIP mayopr all that could change. It would give licence to racists to stir things even further. So I say vote Labour on Thursday and however then you vote - don't vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]Mike is funny. He says let's stop racism but whatever you do, do not vote for the candidate who has personally fought racism and who was the only one to take action to remove anti-muslim leaflets from the streets of Watford. Labour logic? You decide. There is no chance whatsoever of any race problems under a UKIP Mayor, quite the opposite. Having an anti-racist Mayor can only be good for a mixed town like Watford, and that is exactly what I would be. No nonsense! Mike is just stirring up fear for party political ends. Typical Labour one might say. Typical opportunist Labour. After all, which party was it that made merry with the anti-muslim posters at a political meeting but did absolutely nothing about the problem? LABOUR It was Jagtar's ward for goodness sake, Vicarage. He is an elected councillor for Vicarage, or has he forgotten? Did Jagtar or Labour take any posters down? NO, they failed the people of Vicarage. Did Jagtar report it to the police? NO, he failed the people of Vicarage. Jagtar did NOTHING about it. Nothing at all but use it for party political ends. Shameful? You decide. Is Jagtar the sort of person you would like running the Town Hall? I certainly hope not. He and his party are clearly not up to the job. He would fail the whole town in future, not just the people of Vicarage ward whilst pursuing failed and expensive Labour policies. Even his manifesto is all over the place and light on actual Mayoral direction. The Labour party have no ideas, no vision. Labour cannot win the Watford Mayoral race. Jagtar's shameful actions on Monday do not help, they show him for the political opportunist he really is. I would urge people to vote anything but Labour at this election. Labour have not changed. They are still the same people running the party who failed this town 12 years ago in such spectacular fashion. Watford needs better. Jagtar would only make things worse, not better. If you can't think of who to put for your second vote, it would be better not to second vote at all than put Labour. We want to make this town better, not return it to the basket case it was 12 years ago. The Candidates will all be on Vibe Radio this evening. Listen in and make your own mind up, but please, whatever you do, do not vote for those who would stir racist tensions in the town and then do nothing about the actual problem. UKIP first mayoral vote, blank or Conservative second would be my recommendation. Why? It's not that the conservatives are any good, they are failed in Watford with their last councillor defecting to the LibDems, but we really need a change from Dorothy and anything would be better than another term of Dorothy, with the exception of the Labour party who would be truly awful. It's just common sense. Vote UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 9

11:20am Wed 21 May 14

TRT says...

I'm surprised this story hasn't broken in the nationals yet.
I'm surprised this story hasn't broken in the nationals yet. TRT
  • Score: 5

11:50am Wed 21 May 14

D_Penn says...

@watfordbornandbred

You said:- “id love to get off my "seat" but sadly like the vast majority of people i work an exceptionally long week, trying to hold down a job in an employers market where less qualified and less experienced workers are more cheaply available. i then go home to look after 3 children.”

You don’t need to be so defensive. I was not having a go at you or those who are not political activists. It is not for everyone, I appreciate that.

I was simply trying to make the point that for all of us ground level grafters out there, it’s hard work for little reward and, for the majority of party workers, there is no self-benefit. we are all doing it out a need to make this country a better place, and like you, most are doing it on top their work commitments and trying to run a family. Each does as much as they can within the time they have available.

Your comment that you are “trying to hold down a job in an employers market where less qualified and less experienced workers are more cheaply available” is relevant to your later statement where you say “The rest of us have to be persuaded to vote, not patronised, or given a load of bull. if you come across as bullying self serving ONE DIMENSIONAL party( and this goes for ANY party.) why should i vote for you or anyone else?”.

Every party activist would say that if you want to solve your ‘employer’s market’ problem then you should look at who has the approach that you believe will best improve the situation and vote for them. Of course, none of us will ever be a perfect fit for you or any voter as there will always be elements that any individual will disagree with, but I always urge people to vote. The survival of democracy depends on it.
@watfordbornandbred You said:- “id love to get off my "seat" but sadly like the vast majority of people i work an exceptionally long week, trying to hold down a job in an employers market where less qualified and less experienced workers are more cheaply available. i then go home to look after 3 children.” You don’t need to be so defensive. I was not having a go at you or those who are not political activists. It is not for everyone, I appreciate that. I was simply trying to make the point that for all of us ground level grafters out there, it’s hard work for little reward and, for the majority of party workers, there is no self-benefit. we are all doing it out a need to make this country a better place, and like you, most are doing it on top their work commitments and trying to run a family. Each does as much as they can within the time they have available. Your comment that you are “trying to hold down a job in an employers market where less qualified and less experienced workers are more cheaply available” is relevant to your later statement where you say “The rest of us have to be persuaded to vote, not patronised, or given a load of bull. if you come across as bullying self serving ONE DIMENSIONAL party( and this goes for ANY party.) why should i vote for you or anyone else?”. Every party activist would say that if you want to solve your ‘employer’s market’ problem then you should look at who has the approach that you believe will best improve the situation and vote for them. Of course, none of us will ever be a perfect fit for you or any voter as there will always be elements that any individual will disagree with, but I always urge people to vote. The survival of democracy depends on it. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

12:08pm Wed 21 May 14

watfordbornandbred says...

the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble.............
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i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself
the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself watfordbornandbred
  • Score: 5

12:17pm Wed 21 May 14

garston tony says...

Its a shame that, as is the case with so many things, a relatively small number of people are giving an issue a bad reputation. I dont think it is necessarily wrong or racist to be against immigration or wanting to limit it, there are some genuine concerns surrounding that issue and people like Dotty need to realise that she and others in power can not just dismiss these concerns by focusing on the extreme elements.

And I dont think that there has been any particular rise in anti immigration sentiment, it has been around for quite some time but it is just that now there is a party in UKIP that appears to be championing this issue which people are happy to consider voting for (where as before BNP for instance may have been too extreme for many to contemplate). Dotty should maybe consider that maybe people are now putting up posters (ive not seen them so wont comment on their content/message) because the old guard of parties (of which she is a member of one) have failed to get a grips on the matter.

I dont particularly believe UKIP to be a racist party, there has been a lot of focus on what certain individuals have said but if I was a betting man i'd be happy to bet that members of other parties hold equally poor views but they are either more careful in expressing them or when expressed the media over look them.
Its a shame that, as is the case with so many things, a relatively small number of people are giving an issue a bad reputation. I dont think it is necessarily wrong or racist to be against immigration or wanting to limit it, there are some genuine concerns surrounding that issue and people like Dotty need to realise that she and others in power can not just dismiss these concerns by focusing on the extreme elements. And I dont think that there has been any particular rise in anti immigration sentiment, it has been around for quite some time but it is just that now there is a party in UKIP that appears to be championing this issue which people are happy to consider voting for (where as before BNP for instance may have been too extreme for many to contemplate). Dotty should maybe consider that maybe people are now putting up posters (ive not seen them so wont comment on their content/message) because the old guard of parties (of which she is a member of one) have failed to get a grips on the matter. I dont particularly believe UKIP to be a racist party, there has been a lot of focus on what certain individuals have said but if I was a betting man i'd be happy to bet that members of other parties hold equally poor views but they are either more careful in expressing them or when expressed the media over look them. garston tony
  • Score: 11

12:20pm Wed 21 May 14

LocalBoy1 says...

watfordbornandbred wrote:
the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble.............

..

i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself
With a comment like, "are you BNP in disguise?" you have alienated yourself, then to, "alienating the undecided like myself" suggest you stay undecided until you have sorted yourself out!!!!
[quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself[/p][/quote]With a comment like, "are you BNP in disguise?" you have alienated yourself, then to, "alienating the undecided like myself" suggest you stay undecided until you have sorted yourself out!!!! LocalBoy1
  • Score: -3

12:24pm Wed 21 May 14

watfordbornandbred says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
watfordbornandbred wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself
With a comment like, "are you BNP in disguise?" you have alienated yourself, then to, "alienating the undecided like myself" suggest you stay undecided until you have sorted yourself out!!!!
and why do i "need to sort myself out" local boy?
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself[/p][/quote]With a comment like, "are you BNP in disguise?" you have alienated yourself, then to, "alienating the undecided like myself" suggest you stay undecided until you have sorted yourself out!!!![/p][/quote]and why do i "need to sort myself out" local boy? watfordbornandbred
  • Score: 0

12:25pm Wed 21 May 14

Olak12 says...

I have always voted Lib Dem but am getting a bit fed up with the smear tatics regarding UKIP. I think all major parties have formally agreed that they are not a racist party. It is not racist to want control of UK borders which is the inevitable consequence of pulling out of the EU. I think that some of the National UKIP posters are questionable in taste but are not racist - if they were they could not be legally displayed. I am no longer sure who to vote for. I find Dorothy to be increasingly arrogant. To imply that having UKIP stand for political positions will increase racial tensions in the town is simply nonsensical scaremongering . It seems that despite her 'disgust' at these posters she did not have the will to get her council staff to remove them. That was left to Mr Cox to do - the UKIP mayoral candidate. Good for him.
I have always voted Lib Dem but am getting a bit fed up with the smear tatics regarding UKIP. I think all major parties have formally agreed that they are not a racist party. It is not racist to want control of UK borders which is the inevitable consequence of pulling out of the EU. I think that some of the National UKIP posters are questionable in taste but are not racist - if they were they could not be legally displayed. I am no longer sure who to vote for. I find Dorothy to be increasingly arrogant. To imply that having UKIP stand for political positions will increase racial tensions in the town is simply nonsensical scaremongering . It seems that despite her 'disgust' at these posters she did not have the will to get her council staff to remove them. That was left to Mr Cox to do - the UKIP mayoral candidate. Good for him. Olak12
  • Score: 16

12:29pm Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

watfordbornandbred wrote:
the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble.............

..

i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself
In all honesty, whilst I understand your concerns, that is not what I have seen in UKIP, in fact quite the opposite.

If there are any extremists in UKIP then they can never have influence or hold the balance of power because all the people I have ever met in UKIP are extremely nice and decent people. The party is fundamentally made up of good people.

If it later turns out any of them hold extremist views than I have no doubt whatsoever that action would be taken against them that would almost certainly result in them receiving a seriously warning or being removed from the party, depending on the gravity of what was expressed.

Extremists have no place and no future in UKIP. Of that I am 100% certain.

As for BNP in suits, absolutely not. No way, not now, not ever.

We are also not a single issue party. Come along and meet us after the election, or contact us. I would be happy to speak to you and answer any questions you have, either now or after the elections.
[quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself[/p][/quote]In all honesty, whilst I understand your concerns, that is not what I have seen in UKIP, in fact quite the opposite. If there are any extremists in UKIP then they can never have influence or hold the balance of power because all the people I have ever met in UKIP are extremely nice and decent people. The party is fundamentally made up of good people. If it later turns out any of them hold extremist views than I have no doubt whatsoever that action would be taken against them that would almost certainly result in them receiving a seriously warning or being removed from the party, depending on the gravity of what was expressed. Extremists have no place and no future in UKIP. Of that I am 100% certain. As for BNP in suits, absolutely not. No way, not now, not ever. We are also not a single issue party. Come along and meet us after the election, or contact us. I would be happy to speak to you and answer any questions you have, either now or after the elections. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

12:34pm Wed 21 May 14

watfordbornandbred says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
watfordbornandbred wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself
In all honesty, whilst I understand your concerns, that is not what I have seen in UKIP, in fact quite the opposite. If there are any extremists in UKIP then they can never have influence or hold the balance of power because all the people I have ever met in UKIP are extremely nice and decent people. The party is fundamentally made up of good people. If it later turns out any of them hold extremist views than I have no doubt whatsoever that action would be taken against them that would almost certainly result in them receiving a seriously warning or being removed from the party, depending on the gravity of what was expressed. Extremists have no place and no future in UKIP. Of that I am 100% certain. As for BNP in suits, absolutely not. No way, not now, not ever. We are also not a single issue party. Come along and meet us after the election, or contact us. I would be happy to speak to you and answer any questions you have, either now or after the elections.
ok fair enough , point taken...........whoe
ver gets in i wish them luck and hope that for once that real change is made to peoples lives rather than just political point scoring

and one last thing i hope above all that if Dotty is returned she does the decent thing and serves a full term, not clears off to Parliment.that would be the ulitimate show of disrespect and arrogance any politicain who professes to "care" for her constituents
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself[/p][/quote]In all honesty, whilst I understand your concerns, that is not what I have seen in UKIP, in fact quite the opposite. If there are any extremists in UKIP then they can never have influence or hold the balance of power because all the people I have ever met in UKIP are extremely nice and decent people. The party is fundamentally made up of good people. If it later turns out any of them hold extremist views than I have no doubt whatsoever that action would be taken against them that would almost certainly result in them receiving a seriously warning or being removed from the party, depending on the gravity of what was expressed. Extremists have no place and no future in UKIP. Of that I am 100% certain. As for BNP in suits, absolutely not. No way, not now, not ever. We are also not a single issue party. Come along and meet us after the election, or contact us. I would be happy to speak to you and answer any questions you have, either now or after the elections.[/p][/quote]ok fair enough , point taken...........whoe ver gets in i wish them luck and hope that for once that real change is made to peoples lives rather than just political point scoring and one last thing i hope above all that if Dotty is returned she does the decent thing and serves a full term, not clears off to Parliment.that would be the ulitimate show of disrespect and arrogance any politicain who professes to "care" for her constituents watfordbornandbred
  • Score: 5

12:48pm Wed 21 May 14

steveherts says...

The facts are that people have concerns and the only thing the main parties can do to deal with these is to class someone racist . I am personally not at all surprised after building the third watford mosque and using much needed land for a islamic centre when you have a massive lack of housing that there seems to have been a backlash. The main parties have done far more to promote the far right, such as the BNP than they could have ever done for themselves due to the complete contempt they show towards the concerns of the public.
The facts are that people have concerns and the only thing the main parties can do to deal with these is to class someone racist . I am personally not at all surprised after building the third watford mosque and using much needed land for a islamic centre when you have a massive lack of housing that there seems to have been a backlash. The main parties have done far more to promote the far right, such as the BNP than they could have ever done for themselves due to the complete contempt they show towards the concerns of the public. steveherts
  • Score: 5

12:50pm Wed 21 May 14

D_Penn says...

watfordbornandbred wrote:
the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself
I agree with you that a lot of people like UKIP’s aims but are unsure about UKIP itself. I was one of them and that’s why I took a long look before I joined back in 2009.

However, once I started to meet UKIP people I was struck by their sheer ordinariness. I asked the question about whether there was racism inside the party and was told, of course occasionally an unsavoury individual would give themselves away but, once they were discovered, they were quite rightly immediately kicked out of the party. As the son of an immigrant mother who suffered appalling racist treatment, without that assurance and seeing it happen in practice, I wouldn’t have touched UKIP with a barge pole.

So now I find it frustrating that because all the media have left to stop us is to keep spitting the ‘racist’ slur, that we still have many to convince. We are getting there as people witness us taking action where necessary and also increasing numbers are aware that we are the only party that bars ex-BNP and EDL members from joining. An absolute proof that we are not ‘BNP in disguise’ if you need one.

Locally, I ask people who are sceptical to at least give us the chance to show you who we really are. Don’t just believe the media hyperbole, but please, come and meet and talk to us and raise your concerns directly.
[quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself[/p][/quote]I agree with you that a lot of people like UKIP’s aims but are unsure about UKIP itself. I was one of them and that’s why I took a long look before I joined back in 2009. However, once I started to meet UKIP people I was struck by their sheer ordinariness. I asked the question about whether there was racism inside the party and was told, of course occasionally an unsavoury individual would give themselves away but, once they were discovered, they were quite rightly immediately kicked out of the party. As the son of an immigrant mother who suffered appalling racist treatment, without that assurance and seeing it happen in practice, I wouldn’t have touched UKIP with a barge pole. So now I find it frustrating that because all the media have left to stop us is to keep spitting the ‘racist’ slur, that we still have many to convince. We are getting there as people witness us taking action where necessary and also increasing numbers are aware that we are the only party that bars ex-BNP and EDL members from joining. An absolute proof that we are not ‘BNP in disguise’ if you need one. Locally, I ask people who are sceptical to at least give us the chance to show you who we really are. Don’t just believe the media hyperbole, but please, come and meet and talk to us and raise your concerns directly. D_Penn
  • Score: 7

12:51pm Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

watfordbornandbred wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
watfordbornandbred wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself
In all honesty, whilst I understand your concerns, that is not what I have seen in UKIP, in fact quite the opposite. If there are any extremists in UKIP then they can never have influence or hold the balance of power because all the people I have ever met in UKIP are extremely nice and decent people. The party is fundamentally made up of good people. If it later turns out any of them hold extremist views than I have no doubt whatsoever that action would be taken against them that would almost certainly result in them receiving a seriously warning or being removed from the party, depending on the gravity of what was expressed. Extremists have no place and no future in UKIP. Of that I am 100% certain. As for BNP in suits, absolutely not. No way, not now, not ever. We are also not a single issue party. Come along and meet us after the election, or contact us. I would be happy to speak to you and answer any questions you have, either now or after the elections.
ok fair enough , point taken...........whoe

ver gets in i wish them luck and hope that for once that real change is made to peoples lives rather than just political point scoring

and one last thing i hope above all that if Dotty is returned she does the decent thing and serves a full term, not clears off to Parliment.that would be the ulitimate show of disrespect and arrogance any politicain who professes to "care" for her constituents
To save you from the disappointment of Dotty dashing off to parliament I will do my utmost to remove her tomorrow.

I will also make real changes to the council that will better peoples lives in Watford.

I look forward to meeting you one day and putting your mind at rest about UKIP. Please remind me who you are if we do meet.
[quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]watfordbornandbred[/bold] wrote: the problem i have D_Penn is like probably so many similar minded people.... i agree with alot of what UKIP says BUT.....are you BNP in disguise? i know you will say no, and i also know that probably most of you arent.........but what of the rest? there is a feeling that you are the acceptable face of extremism and that when it comes to the nitty gritty there will be a proportion of your party who wont give a **** about anything other than inciting trouble............. .. i want change but not just on one issue, i also agree that the major 3 parties are scared of you. you in many ways are saying SOME of what people want to hear... your problem is going to far and alienating the undecided like myself[/p][/quote]In all honesty, whilst I understand your concerns, that is not what I have seen in UKIP, in fact quite the opposite. If there are any extremists in UKIP then they can never have influence or hold the balance of power because all the people I have ever met in UKIP are extremely nice and decent people. The party is fundamentally made up of good people. If it later turns out any of them hold extremist views than I have no doubt whatsoever that action would be taken against them that would almost certainly result in them receiving a seriously warning or being removed from the party, depending on the gravity of what was expressed. Extremists have no place and no future in UKIP. Of that I am 100% certain. As for BNP in suits, absolutely not. No way, not now, not ever. We are also not a single issue party. Come along and meet us after the election, or contact us. I would be happy to speak to you and answer any questions you have, either now or after the elections.[/p][/quote]ok fair enough , point taken...........whoe ver gets in i wish them luck and hope that for once that real change is made to peoples lives rather than just political point scoring and one last thing i hope above all that if Dotty is returned she does the decent thing and serves a full term, not clears off to Parliment.that would be the ulitimate show of disrespect and arrogance any politicain who professes to "care" for her constituents[/p][/quote]To save you from the disappointment of Dotty dashing off to parliament I will do my utmost to remove her tomorrow. I will also make real changes to the council that will better peoples lives in Watford. I look forward to meeting you one day and putting your mind at rest about UKIP. Please remind me who you are if we do meet. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 7

1:02pm Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Some talk. Some do.

Elect a doer.
Some talk. Some do. Elect a doer. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 5

2:20pm Wed 21 May 14

Linda Geddes says...

Olak12 wrote:
I have always voted Lib Dem but am getting a bit fed up with the smear tatics regarding UKIP. I think all major parties have formally agreed that they are not a racist party. It is not racist to want control of UK borders which is the inevitable consequence of pulling out of the EU. I think that some of the National UKIP posters are questionable in taste but are not racist - if they were they could not be legally displayed. I am no longer sure who to vote for. I find Dorothy to be increasingly arrogant. To imply that having UKIP stand for political positions will increase racial tensions in the town is simply nonsensical scaremongering . It seems that despite her 'disgust' at these posters she did not have the will to get her council staff to remove them. That was left to Mr Cox to do - the UKIP mayoral candidate. Good for him.
I agree absolutely. I have two questions. How did Dorothy know about these posters? And why did she not have them removed herself unless she wanted to use them for political point scoring?

The LibDems have previous form when it comes to electioneering. Remember the "only Sal can win in Watford" leaflets at the general election? It didn't work then and it won't work now. People are becoming increasingly fed up of being told what to think. I will be making up my own mind thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Olak12[/bold] wrote: I have always voted Lib Dem but am getting a bit fed up with the smear tatics regarding UKIP. I think all major parties have formally agreed that they are not a racist party. It is not racist to want control of UK borders which is the inevitable consequence of pulling out of the EU. I think that some of the National UKIP posters are questionable in taste but are not racist - if they were they could not be legally displayed. I am no longer sure who to vote for. I find Dorothy to be increasingly arrogant. To imply that having UKIP stand for political positions will increase racial tensions in the town is simply nonsensical scaremongering . It seems that despite her 'disgust' at these posters she did not have the will to get her council staff to remove them. That was left to Mr Cox to do - the UKIP mayoral candidate. Good for him.[/p][/quote]I agree absolutely. I have two questions. How did Dorothy know about these posters? And why did she not have them removed herself unless she wanted to use them for political point scoring? The LibDems have previous form when it comes to electioneering. Remember the "only Sal can win in Watford" leaflets at the general election? It didn't work then and it won't work now. People are becoming increasingly fed up of being told what to think. I will be making up my own mind thank you. Linda Geddes
  • Score: 12

3:20pm Wed 21 May 14

Harry's Bar says...

E.Coli wrote:
Leather Sofas wrote:
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/


Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
Are you from North Korea by any chance ?
No, he works at Furniture Village.
[quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leather Sofas[/bold] wrote: We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble[/p][/quote]Are you from North Korea by any chance ?[/p][/quote]No, he works at Furniture Village. Harry's Bar
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Wed 21 May 14

GaryLing.com says...

Blimey, who would have guessed it would be the Lib Dem Mayor of Watford who plays the ‘Race Card’? But then again when you think about it shows just how desperate Mayor Dot has become. After 12 years in a job where she makes £82,000 a year and the Chief Executive of the Council makes more than the Prime Minister it takes a lot of integrity to play a straight bat when you’re losing. Since Dorothy Thornhill is absolutely NOT a racist she must be desperate to hang on in there to play with the politics of race. If re-elected, she will have been mayor of Watford, the smallest district council in the country with an annual turnover of a little more than a few Spar convenience stores, 16 years. My young buck will have grown whiskers by then!

Unless, of course, she chooses to run for parliament next year for the Watford Lib Dems (she refused to say whether she was going to do that at last Monday’s hustings meeting). In this case, our local taxation will be paying her to campaign to run for yet another office within 12 months of her being elected to this one. It’s not the Mayor’s Race card game that we should be worried about people. The Lib Dem campaign has turned out to be little more than a shell game. Under which shell is the future of Dorothy Thornhill: Re-elected Mayor, MP for Watford, or back in the classroom teaching our kids? Unlike the street version of this game, your vote can make all the difference…
Blimey, who would have guessed it would be the Lib Dem Mayor of Watford who plays the ‘Race Card’? But then again when you think about it shows just how desperate Mayor Dot has become. After 12 years in a job where she makes £82,000 a year and the Chief Executive of the Council makes more than the Prime Minister it takes a lot of integrity to play a straight bat when you’re losing. Since Dorothy Thornhill is absolutely NOT a racist she must be desperate to hang on in there to play with the politics of race. If re-elected, she will have been mayor of Watford, the smallest district council in the country with an annual turnover of a little more than a few Spar convenience stores, 16 years. My young buck will have grown whiskers by then! Unless, of course, she chooses to run for parliament next year for the Watford Lib Dems (she refused to say whether she was going to do that at last Monday’s hustings meeting). In this case, our local taxation will be paying her to campaign to run for yet another office within 12 months of her being elected to this one. It’s not the Mayor’s Race card game that we should be worried about people. The Lib Dem campaign has turned out to be little more than a shell game. Under which shell is the future of Dorothy Thornhill: Re-elected Mayor, MP for Watford, or back in the classroom teaching our kids? Unlike the street version of this game, your vote can make all the difference… GaryLing.com
  • Score: 8

6:30pm Wed 21 May 14

Popeonarope says...

ancientandageing wrote:
Popeonarope wrote:
ancientandageing wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well.

Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems.

Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford.

In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.
or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist.

remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist
1/3 DK
1/3 not split

personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this.
It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this.

Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you
Are you still going on about racism... ? The desperation is becoming obvious.

Labour has no credibility; it was destroyed by the war criminal Blair and the fraud Brown. They are currently led by a faceless wet blanket who doesn't have a clue about how to recover the public's trust. I consider myself a socialist yet cannot see myself voting Labour until they make amends for the mess they created and return their values to a level i recognise.

Your attempt to label anyone who raises concerns about immigration as racist shows your utter reliance on PC indoctrination. I can honestly say that after being the victim of crime not once but twice this week by easterm european individuals in Deptford, i am wondering if stricter border controls would have stopped me from having my mobile phone snatched and my car targeted by thieves. Does that make me a racist? No, it makes me want a government who will take immigration issues seriously and act on them.

Your racist this and racist that smearing of anyone who wants to stand up for their own interests is odd. I can only assume you have not traveled widely or at least to parts of the world that truly do invoke racism above and beyond anything we have in this extremely tolerant country we live in.
I get its only a bit of racisem so thats alright then, sorry it is not.
That said there idoes seem to be a futilty in fighting this fight in the Watford Observer for some reason.
Your argument seems to be based on a stance that we should allow immigration to continue uncontested because to take a stance against it would be considered racist?
Never mind the effect on the infrastructure, housing, schools, the NHS and employment rates. That is not worth defending in case we offend someone by refusing entry to people not born in the country.
Presumably the USA are racists too? Australians? Canadians? All look after their borders and ensure a controlled approach is implemented.
I think you are confused as to what constitutes a racist. The same goes for Jagtar Singh Dhindsa who seems to think its a way of gaining votes.

These posters seem designed to provoke a negative response. Perhaps the perpetrators wished to incite riots in West Watford with the usual flag burning and the destruction of any property that displayed one of these posters. Phil Cox was correct to remove them and hand them to the police but maybe the muslim community could have done the same, binned them and let everyone know they were offended. But that wouldnt have lubricated potential votes i guess.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Let's not forget Jagtar Dhindsa (Labour Mayoral and Vicarage ward candidate) jumped on the "UKIP are racist" bandwagon as well. Jagtar and Labour are really just as bad as the LibDems. Neither party deserves a vote from decent-minded people in Watford. In fact, quite shameful behaviour from those who would ask for your vote.[/p][/quote]or just as good, depending on if you are in the 1/3 plus who believe UKIP are racist. remember it is a 1/3 think ukip racist 1/3 DK 1/3 not split personally I am in the 1/3 who think UKIP is a racist party and believe both the LIBDEM and LABOUR are right to address this, I only wish the leaders would get behind people like David Lammy on this. It does Jagtar & Dorothy credit in my opinion that they are prepared to take you on on this. Now this is a comment based on my observations if you don't like it well you could always complain couldn't you[/p][/quote]Are you still going on about racism... ? The desperation is becoming obvious. Labour has no credibility; it was destroyed by the war criminal Blair and the fraud Brown. They are currently led by a faceless wet blanket who doesn't have a clue about how to recover the public's trust. I consider myself a socialist yet cannot see myself voting Labour until they make amends for the mess they created and return their values to a level i recognise. Your attempt to label anyone who raises concerns about immigration as racist shows your utter reliance on PC indoctrination. I can honestly say that after being the victim of crime not once but twice this week by easterm european individuals in Deptford, i am wondering if stricter border controls would have stopped me from having my mobile phone snatched and my car targeted by thieves. Does that make me a racist? No, it makes me want a government who will take immigration issues seriously and act on them. Your racist this and racist that smearing of anyone who wants to stand up for their own interests is odd. I can only assume you have not traveled widely or at least to parts of the world that truly do invoke racism above and beyond anything we have in this extremely tolerant country we live in.[/p][/quote]I get its only a bit of racisem so thats alright then, sorry it is not. That said there idoes seem to be a futilty in fighting this fight in the Watford Observer for some reason.[/p][/quote]Your argument seems to be based on a stance that we should allow immigration to continue uncontested because to take a stance against it would be considered racist? Never mind the effect on the infrastructure, housing, schools, the NHS and employment rates. That is not worth defending in case we offend someone by refusing entry to people not born in the country. Presumably the USA are racists too? Australians? Canadians? All look after their borders and ensure a controlled approach is implemented. I think you are confused as to what constitutes a racist. The same goes for Jagtar Singh Dhindsa who seems to think its a way of gaining votes. These posters seem designed to provoke a negative response. Perhaps the perpetrators wished to incite riots in West Watford with the usual flag burning and the destruction of any property that displayed one of these posters. Phil Cox was correct to remove them and hand them to the police but maybe the muslim community could have done the same, binned them and let everyone know they were offended. But that wouldnt have lubricated potential votes i guess. Popeonarope
  • Score: 5

9:09pm Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Don't forget, the EU doesn't have open borders. Why not? Because they are stupid, expensive and dangerous.
Don't forget, the EU doesn't have open borders. Why not? Because they are stupid, expensive and dangerous. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

9:48pm Wed 21 May 14

Nascot says...

Yes, but what is the relevance of UKIP's Raison d'être have in local politics?.

Will Phil Cox (as Mayor of Watford) be able to stop NHS Tourism? - No
Will Phil Cox (as Mayor of Watford) be able to control immigration. - No
Will Phil Cox (as Mayor of Watford) be able to provide a referendum on being in the EU -No
Vote UKIP tomorrow in the EU Elections and then challenge their MEPs to not take up their seats, or take the pay & expenses. I mean you wouldn't want them to join the gravy train that one of their own election posters said we were all paying for by our daily grind. If they could promise that I would vote for them.
Yes, but what is the relevance of UKIP's Raison d'être have in local politics?. Will Phil Cox (as Mayor of Watford) be able to stop NHS Tourism? - No Will Phil Cox (as Mayor of Watford) be able to control immigration. - No Will Phil Cox (as Mayor of Watford) be able to provide a referendum on being in the EU -No Vote UKIP tomorrow in the EU Elections and then challenge their MEPs to not take up their seats, or take the pay & expenses. I mean you wouldn't want them to join the gravy train that one of their own election posters said we were all paying for by our daily grind. If they could promise that I would vote for them. Nascot
  • Score: 0

12:20am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Nascot, this is a local election. We have had them every 4 years for the last 12 years.

These are not local issues you raise so are rather irrelevant to this story.

A Mayoral candidate stands on a local manifesto (see WO for full manifesto or go to the UKIP website). Ignore the other manifestos where they wonder off into county and national issues, that's just a symptom of poor drafting.

Compare the manifestos of all the parties standing, you will see UKIP has by far the most focused and far-reaching vision for Watford, a sure-fire cure for the ills of Watford Council.

This story is about the local elections.

If you want to comment on the EU elections there are plenty of national newspapers covering them in a multitude of stories. This story, however, is not one of them.

Read the manifestos and decide. Find out about the candidates and decide. Attend a local hustings. Read a leaflet. Listen to the candidates on the radio this evening. The information is there to help people in this LOCAL election.

I would advise that people do not vote Labour for Mayor. Too much damage could be done if they reached power again. 12 years is not yet long enough to forget the mess they left us with last time. We don't want to repeat the failures of the past.
Nascot, this is a local election. We have had them every 4 years for the last 12 years. These are not local issues you raise so are rather irrelevant to this story. A Mayoral candidate stands on a local manifesto (see WO for full manifesto or go to the UKIP website). Ignore the other manifestos where they wonder off into county and national issues, that's just a symptom of poor drafting. Compare the manifestos of all the parties standing, you will see UKIP has by far the most focused and far-reaching vision for Watford, a sure-fire cure for the ills of Watford Council. This story is about the local elections. If you want to comment on the EU elections there are plenty of national newspapers covering them in a multitude of stories. This story, however, is not one of them. Read the manifestos and decide. Find out about the candidates and decide. Attend a local hustings. Read a leaflet. Listen to the candidates on the radio this evening. The information is there to help people in this LOCAL election. I would advise that people do not vote Labour for Mayor. Too much damage could be done if they reached power again. 12 years is not yet long enough to forget the mess they left us with last time. We don't want to repeat the failures of the past. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

9:11am Thu 22 May 14

Cuetip says...

E.Coli wrote:
Leather Sofas wrote:
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/


Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
Are you from North Korea by any chance ?
Trying to reconnect with your spiritual roots which way and everyway?
[quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leather Sofas[/bold] wrote: We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble[/p][/quote]Are you from North Korea by any chance ?[/p][/quote]Trying to reconnect with your spiritual roots which way and everyway? Cuetip
  • Score: 0

9:47pm Thu 22 May 14

JohnnyHornet says...

The fact you have to say it Mrs Mayor says it all about you and the shabby campaign LibLabCon have run with your media buddies, if this is British democracy I'm off to North Korea.
The fact you have to say it Mrs Mayor says it all about you and the shabby campaign LibLabCon have run with your media buddies, if this is British democracy I'm off to North Korea. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Thu 22 May 14

JohnnyHornet says...

Cuetip wrote:
E.Coli wrote:
Leather Sofas wrote:
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/



Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
Are you from North Korea by any chance ?
Trying to reconnect with your spiritual roots which way and everyway?
Leather Sofas, what are you on, LibLabCon have wrecked this country, we lose our sovereignty to the EU on 1st Nov this year, when the Lisbon treaty fully kicks in in 2018 we'll have no say... Why do you think Cameron is stalling on a referendum until the end of 2017, because if a no vote won, it would take over a year to get through Parliament overlapping full control of the EU so would be kicked out, be prepared for region 7 of the EU to replace Great Britain, yet people still vote them in, if your favoured LibLabCon are that great why have a large proportion of the electorate in this country voted for them, you are ignorant in the extreme if you think it's a protest vote or they are all loons, it's people like you and your ignorant arrogant attitude that has provoked large numbers of people who haven't voted in years to do so today.
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leather Sofas[/bold] wrote: We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble[/p][/quote]Are you from North Korea by any chance ?[/p][/quote]Trying to reconnect with your spiritual roots which way and everyway?[/p][/quote]Leather Sofas, what are you on, LibLabCon have wrecked this country, we lose our sovereignty to the EU on 1st Nov this year, when the Lisbon treaty fully kicks in in 2018 we'll have no say... Why do you think Cameron is stalling on a referendum until the end of 2017, because if a no vote won, it would take over a year to get through Parliament overlapping full control of the EU so would be kicked out, be prepared for region 7 of the EU to replace Great Britain, yet people still vote them in, if your favoured LibLabCon are that great why have a large proportion of the electorate in this country voted for them, you are ignorant in the extreme if you think it's a protest vote or they are all loons, it's people like you and your ignorant arrogant attitude that has provoked large numbers of people who haven't voted in years to do so today. JohnnyHornet
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10:08pm Fri 23 May 14

croxleyite says...

Do you know what. This country is going down the pan rapidly while every one **** foots around trying to be so bloody politically correct! Our country is being fleeced dry and every indigenous member of it is too scared up and say why. It's about time we all said enough is enough instead of being brain washed by the demands of society!
Do you know what. This country is going down the pan rapidly while every one **** foots around trying to be so bloody politically correct! Our country is being fleeced dry and every indigenous member of it is too scared up and say why. It's about time we all said enough is enough instead of being brain washed by the demands of society! croxleyite
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1:12pm Sat 24 May 14

audentior01923 says...

JohnnyHornet wrote:
The fact you have to say it Mrs Mayor says it all about you and the shabby campaign LibLabCon have run with your media buddies, if this is British democracy I'm off to North Korea.
Bye
[quote][p][bold]JohnnyHornet[/bold] wrote: The fact you have to say it Mrs Mayor says it all about you and the shabby campaign LibLabCon have run with your media buddies, if this is British democracy I'm off to North Korea.[/p][/quote]Bye audentior01923
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1:14pm Sat 24 May 14

audentior01923 says...

Cuetip wrote:
E.Coli wrote:
Leather Sofas wrote:
We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/



Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers?

I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble
Are you from North Korea by any chance ?
Trying to reconnect with your spiritual roots which way and everyway?
I haven't seen you congratulate Binita for her excellent performance !
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leather Sofas[/bold] wrote: We only want a 3 political party state in this county, it is well known Labour/Conservative/ Lib Dems are all basically just One party now, they all grab a few policies off each other to suit their means, everyone knows this now, and wouldnt it be a better solution to just ban Ukip - Bnp and other other political partys who ruffle the feathers? I personally would ban Ukip and the Bnp and lock up their members, we dont need their type stirring up problems in this country and we would all be better off with just the established partys, we dont need dangerous extremists stirring up trouble[/p][/quote]Are you from North Korea by any chance ?[/p][/quote]Trying to reconnect with your spiritual roots which way and everyway?[/p][/quote]I haven't seen you congratulate Binita for her excellent performance ! audentior01923
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