The 8 most meaningless local election pledges of 2014

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Manifesto writing is a fine art of making stirring promises that also leave politicians acres of wriggle room.

Of course, parties have to consider the possibility they might actually win and be expected to make good on their commitments.

So the result is often pages of mealy-mouthed bumf that tells people little about what they are being asked to vote for.

We have trawled manifestos in Watford and Three Rivers to highlight most baffling, incomprehensible, and meaningless pledges penned in this year’s elections.

Watford Mayoral

1. From the Liberal Democrat manifesto: “Look out for opportunities to support secondary shopping centres e.g. St Albans Road and Queens Road”. “Look out for” - hardly the wording of a cast-iron commitment more the political equivalent of a shrug.

2. From the Labour manifesto: “We would open the council to more transparent and inclusive decision-making”. I have no idea what that would actually entail.

3. From the UK Independence Party manifesto: “A UKIP mayor and councillors pledge to put town and residents ahead of party”. So how do we measure that then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. From the Conservative manifesto: Promise to introduce “joined-up thinking” at town hall. *Meaningless buzz-phrase klaxon*. Essentially promising voters to assume a coherent mindset.

Watford Observer:

Three Rivers District Council

5. From the Liberal Democrat manifesto: “Will urge Herts County Council to reveal its plans to provide secondary school places in the Rickmansworth area.” Basically a pledge to encourage another council to do something. High bar.

6. From the Conservative manifesto: “A High Street upgrade. Conservatives say they will fight for a vibrant and diverse high street.” Makes it sound like getting a new iPhone.

7. From the Labour manifesto: “The flexible refuse service that works to continue – not put under threat.” Yoga for binmen?

8. From the UK Independence Party manifesto: “Abolish non-essential and politically-correct jobs and red tape”. Which begs the question: What is a non-politically correct job?

 

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5:26pm Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

The UKIP ones are quite easy to understand and refer to issues within the remit of the Mayor and Council.

Easy to understand and easy to do. One refers to my insistence on acting as an Independent Mayor when party and town interests clash. People will soon know whether that pledge has been kept.

The second refers to jobs that are not required for the running of the essential council functions. We will identify them and remove them where it would not affect council services.

We would look at procedures, cut them down and give staff more freedom of action to get the job done, creating a more efficient and flexible council structure.

I hope that clarifies a little bit.

A lot will depend on what I find when I take office.
The UKIP ones are quite easy to understand and refer to issues within the remit of the Mayor and Council. Easy to understand and easy to do. One refers to my insistence on acting as an Independent Mayor when party and town interests clash. People will soon know whether that pledge has been kept. The second refers to jobs that are not required for the running of the essential council functions. We will identify them and remove them where it would not affect council services. We would look at procedures, cut them down and give staff more freedom of action to get the job done, creating a more efficient and flexible council structure. I hope that clarifies a little bit. A lot will depend on what I find when I take office. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 10

5:34pm Wed 21 May 14

D_Penn says...

Well done Mike & Kathryn.

A little political satire article is a nice change.

Just a few more hours and all us exhausted political activists can take a short break...

...then it's the start of the General Election run in!
Well done Mike & Kathryn. A little political satire article is a nice change. Just a few more hours and all us exhausted political activists can take a short break... ...then it's the start of the General Election run in! D_Penn
  • Score: 7

5:57pm Wed 21 May 14

trebleywebley says...

Cant wait for the results of tomorrow's " Protest Vote "
Cant wait for the results of tomorrow's " Protest Vote " trebleywebley
  • Score: 15

6:56pm Wed 21 May 14

ramage1996 says...

From the UK Independence Party manifesto: “Abolish non-essential and politically-correct jobs and red tape”. Which begs the question: What is a non-politically correct job?

I think this sums Ukip up.
From the UK Independence Party manifesto: “Abolish non-essential and politically-correct jobs and red tape”. Which begs the question: What is a non-politically correct job? I think this sums Ukip up. ramage1996
  • Score: -21

6:57pm Wed 21 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

trebleywebley wrote:
Cant wait for the results of tomorrow's " Protest Vote "
Nice satire / analysis / comment.

How about an option on the ballot paper with a box saying none ?
[quote][p][bold]trebleywebley[/bold] wrote: Cant wait for the results of tomorrow's " Protest Vote "[/p][/quote]Nice satire / analysis / comment. How about an option on the ballot paper with a box saying none ? bishopofwatford
  • Score: 4

7:40pm Wed 21 May 14

Retlas says...

I watch with interest all the electioneering.
I was a Watford Borough resident and paid rates - not council tax. Gives a clue to my age and was astounded when Dorothy was re- elected in 2010 but hey ho.
I can see no other result than a fourth term for her as the electorate is so divided and no, I have no influence on the outcome as I am not a WBC resident.
I look with, foreboding, to the outcome for Watford residents.
I watch with interest all the electioneering. I was a Watford Borough resident and paid rates - not council tax. Gives a clue to my age and was astounded when Dorothy was re- elected in 2010 but hey ho. I can see no other result than a fourth term for her as the electorate is so divided and no, I have no influence on the outcome as I am not a WBC resident. I look with, foreboding, to the outcome for Watford residents. Retlas
  • Score: 4

9:16pm Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

bishopofwatford wrote:
trebleywebley wrote:
Cant wait for the results of tomorrow's " Protest Vote "
Nice satire / analysis / comment.

How about an option on the ballot paper with a box saying none ?
I completely agree with you. There should be a "None of the above box".

It would stop all those smug politicians elected on 30% of those who could be bothered to turn out from telling everyone they have a mandate to do what they want. Particularly if 40% said "none of the above".

I can only think it does not happen because it would be too embarrassing for the political classes. Tell you what, if I'm elected, and if it's legal, I'll put it on the ballot paper next time. Trouble is, I suspect it would be against the law.

Great idea though. It's one I have heard before but it's a great idea none-the-less.

I also would like to see a "Anyone but ..." box, where you can vote against a party, like "Anyone but Labour" for instance. That way you don't really care who gets in so long as it is not party x. Your vote would then be subtracted from what that party would otherwise have had.

Democracy has to improve, politicians have to improve and start listening to the people they represent properly. At the moment what passes for democracy is just inadequate.

Vote UKIP!
[quote][p][bold]bishopofwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trebleywebley[/bold] wrote: Cant wait for the results of tomorrow's " Protest Vote "[/p][/quote]Nice satire / analysis / comment. How about an option on the ballot paper with a box saying none ?[/p][/quote]I completely agree with you. There should be a "None of the above box". It would stop all those smug politicians elected on 30% of those who could be bothered to turn out from telling everyone they have a mandate to do what they want. Particularly if 40% said "none of the above". I can only think it does not happen because it would be too embarrassing for the political classes. Tell you what, if I'm elected, and if it's legal, I'll put it on the ballot paper next time. Trouble is, I suspect it would be against the law. Great idea though. It's one I have heard before but it's a great idea none-the-less. I also would like to see a "Anyone but ..." box, where you can vote against a party, like "Anyone but Labour" for instance. That way you don't really care who gets in so long as it is not party x. Your vote would then be subtracted from what that party would otherwise have had. Democracy has to improve, politicians have to improve and start listening to the people they represent properly. At the moment what passes for democracy is just inadequate. Vote UKIP! Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

9:23pm Wed 21 May 14

cgpc Rob says...

Will be interesting to see what happens in Three Rivers, with less cllrs being elected.

Will the tories rule?
Will be interesting to see what happens in Three Rivers, with less cllrs being elected. Will the tories rule? cgpc Rob
  • Score: 1

10:37pm Wed 21 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Will be interesting to see what happens in Three Rivers, with less cllrs being elected.

Will the tories rule?
Blue rinse rule in ricky.....? Doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Will be interesting to see what happens in Three Rivers, with less cllrs being elected. Will the tories rule?[/p][/quote]Blue rinse rule in ricky.....? Doubt it. bishopofwatford
  • Score: 0

11:07pm Wed 21 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

TRT wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
With all these reports around the country of Ukip candidates wanting to send immigrants home and saying gay marriage is causing flooding, and now these sick posters being put up in Watford which disrespect Islam, I hope the people of Watford vote for hope and not hate..

Be it Labour, Liberal or Green, vote for any of them, do not vote for Ukip and what they stand for x
But you're voting for a candidate, not a party. These other UKIP candidates aren't standing in Watford. The Mayoral position has absolutely no influence whatsoever on policy or law at a national level. Councillors... set local policy only. MEPs... now that's where UKIP's national manifesto might have a bearing on your decision. So please don't go round muck spreading and telling people who they can and can't vote for. Thanks.
Here here well said TRT ....after all we are supposed to live in a democracy!
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: With all these reports around the country of Ukip candidates wanting to send immigrants home and saying gay marriage is causing flooding, and now these sick posters being put up in Watford which disrespect Islam, I hope the people of Watford vote for hope and not hate.. Be it Labour, Liberal or Green, vote for any of them, do not vote for Ukip and what they stand for x[/p][/quote]But you're voting for a candidate, not a party. These other UKIP candidates aren't standing in Watford. The Mayoral position has absolutely no influence whatsoever on policy or law at a national level. Councillors... set local policy only. MEPs... now that's where UKIP's national manifesto might have a bearing on your decision. So please don't go round muck spreading and telling people who they can and can't vote for. Thanks.[/p][/quote]Here here well said TRT ....after all we are supposed to live in a democracy! bishopofwatford
  • Score: 2

11:07pm Wed 21 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

TRT wrote:
ramage1996 wrote:
With all these reports around the country of Ukip candidates wanting to send immigrants home and saying gay marriage is causing flooding, and now these sick posters being put up in Watford which disrespect Islam, I hope the people of Watford vote for hope and not hate..

Be it Labour, Liberal or Green, vote for any of them, do not vote for Ukip and what they stand for x
But you're voting for a candidate, not a party. These other UKIP candidates aren't standing in Watford. The Mayoral position has absolutely no influence whatsoever on policy or law at a national level. Councillors... set local policy only. MEPs... now that's where UKIP's national manifesto might have a bearing on your decision. So please don't go round muck spreading and telling people who they can and can't vote for. Thanks.
Here here well said TRT ....after all we are supposed to live in a democracy!
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: With all these reports around the country of Ukip candidates wanting to send immigrants home and saying gay marriage is causing flooding, and now these sick posters being put up in Watford which disrespect Islam, I hope the people of Watford vote for hope and not hate.. Be it Labour, Liberal or Green, vote for any of them, do not vote for Ukip and what they stand for x[/p][/quote]But you're voting for a candidate, not a party. These other UKIP candidates aren't standing in Watford. The Mayoral position has absolutely no influence whatsoever on policy or law at a national level. Councillors... set local policy only. MEPs... now that's where UKIP's national manifesto might have a bearing on your decision. So please don't go round muck spreading and telling people who they can and can't vote for. Thanks.[/p][/quote]Here here well said TRT ....after all we are supposed to live in a democracy! bishopofwatford
  • Score: 4

11:17pm Wed 21 May 14

LSC says...

I haven't voted much in the last few years, but not because of apathy.
A 'none of the above' box would win every time and those in power, or currently seeking it, know it.
I haven't voted much in the last few years, but not because of apathy. A 'none of the above' box would win every time and those in power, or currently seeking it, know it. LSC
  • Score: 4

11:58pm Wed 21 May 14

Cuetip says...

LSC wrote:
I haven't voted much in the last few years, but not because of apathy.
A 'none of the above' box would win every time and those in power, or currently seeking it, know it.
People are tired of being spun lies by self serving politicians who regard the voters as idiots and tribal.
[quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: I haven't voted much in the last few years, but not because of apathy. A 'none of the above' box would win every time and those in power, or currently seeking it, know it.[/p][/quote]People are tired of being spun lies by self serving politicians who regard the voters as idiots and tribal. Cuetip
  • Score: 6

11:59pm Wed 21 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Some people really don't care about politics. Judging by the actions and standards of most politicians I can't say I blame them.
Some people really don't care about politics. Judging by the actions and standards of most politicians I can't say I blame them. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

12:24am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Cuetip wrote:
LSC wrote:
I haven't voted much in the last few years, but not because of apathy.
A 'none of the above' box would win every time and those in power, or currently seeking it, know it.
People are tired of being spun lies by self serving politicians who regard the voters as idiots and tribal.
I quite agree.

People should think before they vote and choose the best party and candidate that reflects their views and values.
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LSC[/bold] wrote: I haven't voted much in the last few years, but not because of apathy. A 'none of the above' box would win every time and those in power, or currently seeking it, know it.[/p][/quote]People are tired of being spun lies by self serving politicians who regard the voters as idiots and tribal.[/p][/quote]I quite agree. People should think before they vote and choose the best party and candidate that reflects their views and values. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

1:43am Thu 22 May 14

Sara says...

@Phil Cox Which particular values are reflected by those who have pleaded guilty and convicted of benefit fraud upon the council they wish to represent?
@Phil Cox Which particular values are reflected by those who have pleaded guilty and convicted of benefit fraud upon the council they wish to represent? Sara
  • Score: 1

7:09am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Are you talking about convicted Cllr Kevin Wilson? LibDem at Tiverton?

We should all condemn benefit fraud Sara, no matter who commits it, no matter what party. A crime is a crime.

There are other frauds by politicians that should be equally condemned, such as expenses fraud (boy, didn't the MPs fill their boots before the Telegraph exposed them), the LiBLabCon became the LibLabConFraudsters.


But there are issues I find even more disturbing, like those who would use positions of authority to sexually abuse children, like your own Cyril Smith MP, he even got a knighthood - now how does that work? Perhaps just as disgusting, if not more so, are the establishment who would seek to cover up such abuse of the vulnerable children in our care system. That really is awful and some are still alive in the LibDem party now who were part of that cover-up.

Here is what I don't fully understand though. Your leader, Nick Clegg tried to cover it up or dismiss it again. He used words to try to give the impression it was nothing to do with the LibDem party. Weasel words Sara, and he was roundly condemned by all and sundry for doing so who could see what he was trying to do. I know he is a liar, but surely the man has some integrity? Are there no limits to the depths the LibDems will sink?

It puts that LibDem loony Cllr John Larsen in the shade, All he did was set off bombs around Denbigh in North Wales.

Judge Merfyn Hughes QC said "I am entirely satisfied had you not been arrested you would have killed or caused someone very serious injury. You abused the trust placed in you as a councillor".

18 years in prison. He has to be the looniest tuniest councillor ever. I wonder what values he thought he was reflecting with his bombing campaign? Or Cyril smith with his child abuse? Or indeed certain leading members of the Labour party with their promotion of Paedophilia? Was Cyril Smith part of the same thing do you think? The LibDems have long held similar beliefs to the Labour party.

It gets worse. Cllr John Larsen, the LibDem bombing councillor was an ex-Mayor. I do hope you will speak to any ex-Mayors in your party next week to ensure this sort of thing is not repeated. ;-)

Goodness me, I am getting scared to type "LibDem Councillor disgrace" into google, the search has found 217,000 results. Stealing from the poppy fund is on page one, I think that was only exposed recently but to be honest there are so many it's difficult to know where to start. Racially aggravated assault...I think I shall stop reading.

I'm not saying your whole party and is made up of loony tunes and crooks Sara, I know the majority are quite nice and normal people, but boy you certainly pick them for elected office, don't you?

While we are conversing, are you ready to tell the electorate how much you take in allowances and expenses for your lucrative roles as councillor on three different councils? I am sure the electorate would like to know and you keep ducking the question no matter how many times I ask you.
Are you talking about convicted Cllr Kevin Wilson? LibDem at Tiverton? We should all condemn benefit fraud Sara, no matter who commits it, no matter what party. A crime is a crime. There are other frauds by politicians that should be equally condemned, such as expenses fraud (boy, didn't the MPs fill their boots before the Telegraph exposed them), the LiBLabCon became the LibLabConFraudsters. But there are issues I find even more disturbing, like those who would use positions of authority to sexually abuse children, like your own Cyril Smith MP, he even got a knighthood - now how does that work? Perhaps just as disgusting, if not more so, are the establishment who would seek to cover up such abuse of the vulnerable children in our care system. That really is awful and some are still alive in the LibDem party now who were part of that cover-up. Here is what I don't fully understand though. Your leader, Nick Clegg tried to cover it up or dismiss it again. He used words to try to give the impression it was nothing to do with the LibDem party. Weasel words Sara, and he was roundly condemned by all and sundry for doing so who could see what he was trying to do. I know he is a liar, but surely the man has some integrity? Are there no limits to the depths the LibDems will sink? It puts that LibDem loony Cllr John Larsen in the shade, All he did was set off bombs around Denbigh in North Wales. Judge Merfyn Hughes QC said "I am entirely satisfied had you not been arrested you would have killed or caused someone very serious injury. You abused the trust placed in you as a councillor". 18 years in prison. He has to be the looniest tuniest councillor ever. I wonder what values he thought he was reflecting with his bombing campaign? Or Cyril smith with his child abuse? Or indeed certain leading members of the Labour party with their promotion of Paedophilia? Was Cyril Smith part of the same thing do you think? The LibDems have long held similar beliefs to the Labour party. It gets worse. Cllr John Larsen, the LibDem bombing councillor was an ex-Mayor. I do hope you will speak to any ex-Mayors in your party next week to ensure this sort of thing is not repeated. ;-) Goodness me, I am getting scared to type "LibDem Councillor disgrace" into google, the search has found 217,000 results. Stealing from the poppy fund is on page one, I think that was only exposed recently but to be honest there are so many it's difficult to know where to start. Racially aggravated assault...I think I shall stop reading. I'm not saying your whole party and is made up of loony tunes and crooks Sara, I know the majority are quite nice and normal people, but boy you certainly pick them for elected office, don't you? While we are conversing, are you ready to tell the electorate how much you take in allowances and expenses for your lucrative roles as councillor on three different councils? I am sure the electorate would like to know and you keep ducking the question no matter how many times I ask you. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 6

7:36am Thu 22 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Are you talking about convicted Cllr Kevin Wilson? LibDem at Tiverton?

We should all condemn benefit fraud Sara, no matter who commits it, no matter what party. A crime is a crime.

There are other frauds by politicians that should be equally condemned, such as expenses fraud (boy, didn't the MPs fill their boots before the Telegraph exposed them), the LiBLabCon became the LibLabConFraudsters.



But there are issues I find even more disturbing, like those who would use positions of authority to sexually abuse children, like your own Cyril Smith MP, he even got a knighthood - now how does that work? Perhaps just as disgusting, if not more so, are the establishment who would seek to cover up such abuse of the vulnerable children in our care system. That really is awful and some are still alive in the LibDem party now who were part of that cover-up.

Here is what I don't fully understand though. Your leader, Nick Clegg tried to cover it up or dismiss it again. He used words to try to give the impression it was nothing to do with the LibDem party. Weasel words Sara, and he was roundly condemned by all and sundry for doing so who could see what he was trying to do. I know he is a liar, but surely the man has some integrity? Are there no limits to the depths the LibDems will sink?

It puts that LibDem loony Cllr John Larsen in the shade, All he did was set off bombs around Denbigh in North Wales.

Judge Merfyn Hughes QC said "I am entirely satisfied had you not been arrested you would have killed or caused someone very serious injury. You abused the trust placed in you as a councillor".

18 years in prison. He has to be the looniest tuniest councillor ever. I wonder what values he thought he was reflecting with his bombing campaign? Or Cyril smith with his child abuse? Or indeed certain leading members of the Labour party with their promotion of Paedophilia? Was Cyril Smith part of the same thing do you think? The LibDems have long held similar beliefs to the Labour party.

It gets worse. Cllr John Larsen, the LibDem bombing councillor was an ex-Mayor. I do hope you will speak to any ex-Mayors in your party next week to ensure this sort of thing is not repeated. ;-)

Goodness me, I am getting scared to type "LibDem Councillor disgrace" into google, the search has found 217,000 results. Stealing from the poppy fund is on page one, I think that was only exposed recently but to be honest there are so many it's difficult to know where to start. Racially aggravated assault...I think I shall stop reading.

I'm not saying your whole party and is made up of loony tunes and crooks Sara, I know the majority are quite nice and normal people, but boy you certainly pick them for elected office, don't you?

While we are conversing, are you ready to tell the electorate how much you take in allowances and expenses for your lucrative roles as councillor on three different councils? I am sure the electorate would like to know and you keep ducking the question no matter how many times I ask you.
You missed probably the most notorious ....Jeremy Thorpe ....was he not up
On a murder charge in the 1970s ?
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Are you talking about convicted Cllr Kevin Wilson? LibDem at Tiverton? We should all condemn benefit fraud Sara, no matter who commits it, no matter what party. A crime is a crime. There are other frauds by politicians that should be equally condemned, such as expenses fraud (boy, didn't the MPs fill their boots before the Telegraph exposed them), the LiBLabCon became the LibLabConFraudsters. But there are issues I find even more disturbing, like those who would use positions of authority to sexually abuse children, like your own Cyril Smith MP, he even got a knighthood - now how does that work? Perhaps just as disgusting, if not more so, are the establishment who would seek to cover up such abuse of the vulnerable children in our care system. That really is awful and some are still alive in the LibDem party now who were part of that cover-up. Here is what I don't fully understand though. Your leader, Nick Clegg tried to cover it up or dismiss it again. He used words to try to give the impression it was nothing to do with the LibDem party. Weasel words Sara, and he was roundly condemned by all and sundry for doing so who could see what he was trying to do. I know he is a liar, but surely the man has some integrity? Are there no limits to the depths the LibDems will sink? It puts that LibDem loony Cllr John Larsen in the shade, All he did was set off bombs around Denbigh in North Wales. Judge Merfyn Hughes QC said "I am entirely satisfied had you not been arrested you would have killed or caused someone very serious injury. You abused the trust placed in you as a councillor". 18 years in prison. He has to be the looniest tuniest councillor ever. I wonder what values he thought he was reflecting with his bombing campaign? Or Cyril smith with his child abuse? Or indeed certain leading members of the Labour party with their promotion of Paedophilia? Was Cyril Smith part of the same thing do you think? The LibDems have long held similar beliefs to the Labour party. It gets worse. Cllr John Larsen, the LibDem bombing councillor was an ex-Mayor. I do hope you will speak to any ex-Mayors in your party next week to ensure this sort of thing is not repeated. ;-) Goodness me, I am getting scared to type "LibDem Councillor disgrace" into google, the search has found 217,000 results. Stealing from the poppy fund is on page one, I think that was only exposed recently but to be honest there are so many it's difficult to know where to start. Racially aggravated assault...I think I shall stop reading. I'm not saying your whole party and is made up of loony tunes and crooks Sara, I know the majority are quite nice and normal people, but boy you certainly pick them for elected office, don't you? While we are conversing, are you ready to tell the electorate how much you take in allowances and expenses for your lucrative roles as councillor on three different councils? I am sure the electorate would like to know and you keep ducking the question no matter how many times I ask you.[/p][/quote]You missed probably the most notorious ....Jeremy Thorpe ....was he not up On a murder charge in the 1970s ? bishopofwatford
  • Score: 4

7:38am Thu 22 May 14

crazyfrog says...

hope them arrogant Libdems who have been so desperate in the past few weeks smearing other parties get the boot from the voters their smear tactics have been absolutely disgusting !
hope them arrogant Libdems who have been so desperate in the past few weeks smearing other parties get the boot from the voters their smear tactics have been absolutely disgusting ! crazyfrog
  • Score: 6

7:42am Thu 22 May 14

cgpc Rob says...

Sara wrote:
@Phil Cox Which particular values are reflected by those who have pleaded guilty and convicted of benefit fraud upon the council they wish to represent?
What about being a cllr, failing to ensure best value, costing residents £4.4 million and then standing again as a paragon of virtue.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: @Phil Cox Which particular values are reflected by those who have pleaded guilty and convicted of benefit fraud upon the council they wish to represent?[/p][/quote]What about being a cllr, failing to ensure best value, costing residents £4.4 million and then standing again as a paragon of virtue. cgpc Rob
  • Score: 3

7:45am Thu 22 May 14

Sara says...

@Phil Cox the difference is those who are allowed to stand for election after their conviction. Parties cannot know in advance what people might do after election. Usually such a person is removed from the party once the crime becomes clear.

For this benefit fraudster you need to look no further than UKIP's candidate in what I believe is your old stamping ground of Croxley. His crime was well publicised, but for three years since, UKIP have been prepared to put him up for election under their colours.
@Phil Cox the difference is those who are allowed to stand for election after their conviction. Parties cannot know in advance what people might do after election. Usually such a person is removed from the party once the crime becomes clear. For this benefit fraudster you need to look no further than UKIP's candidate in what I believe is your old stamping ground of Croxley. His crime was well publicised, but for three years since, UKIP have been prepared to put him up for election under their colours. Sara
  • Score: 0

7:54am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

bishopofwatford wrote:
Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford wrote:
Are you talking about convicted Cllr Kevin Wilson? LibDem at Tiverton?

We should all condemn benefit fraud Sara, no matter who commits it, no matter what party. A crime is a crime.

There are other frauds by politicians that should be equally condemned, such as expenses fraud (boy, didn't the MPs fill their boots before the Telegraph exposed them), the LiBLabCon became the LibLabConFraudsters.




But there are issues I find even more disturbing, like those who would use positions of authority to sexually abuse children, like your own Cyril Smith MP, he even got a knighthood - now how does that work? Perhaps just as disgusting, if not more so, are the establishment who would seek to cover up such abuse of the vulnerable children in our care system. That really is awful and some are still alive in the LibDem party now who were part of that cover-up.

Here is what I don't fully understand though. Your leader, Nick Clegg tried to cover it up or dismiss it again. He used words to try to give the impression it was nothing to do with the LibDem party. Weasel words Sara, and he was roundly condemned by all and sundry for doing so who could see what he was trying to do. I know he is a liar, but surely the man has some integrity? Are there no limits to the depths the LibDems will sink?

It puts that LibDem loony Cllr John Larsen in the shade, All he did was set off bombs around Denbigh in North Wales.

Judge Merfyn Hughes QC said "I am entirely satisfied had you not been arrested you would have killed or caused someone very serious injury. You abused the trust placed in you as a councillor".

18 years in prison. He has to be the looniest tuniest councillor ever. I wonder what values he thought he was reflecting with his bombing campaign? Or Cyril smith with his child abuse? Or indeed certain leading members of the Labour party with their promotion of Paedophilia? Was Cyril Smith part of the same thing do you think? The LibDems have long held similar beliefs to the Labour party.

It gets worse. Cllr John Larsen, the LibDem bombing councillor was an ex-Mayor. I do hope you will speak to any ex-Mayors in your party next week to ensure this sort of thing is not repeated. ;-)

Goodness me, I am getting scared to type "LibDem Councillor disgrace" into google, the search has found 217,000 results. Stealing from the poppy fund is on page one, I think that was only exposed recently but to be honest there are so many it's difficult to know where to start. Racially aggravated assault...I think I shall stop reading.

I'm not saying your whole party and is made up of loony tunes and crooks Sara, I know the majority are quite nice and normal people, but boy you certainly pick them for elected office, don't you?

While we are conversing, are you ready to tell the electorate how much you take in allowances and expenses for your lucrative roles as councillor on three different councils? I am sure the electorate would like to know and you keep ducking the question no matter how many times I ask you.
You missed probably the most notorious ....Jeremy Thorpe ....was he not up
On a murder charge in the 1970s ?
You are quite right.

I remember seeing all that on the TV and in the papers. He was accused of conspiracy to murder his gay lover and ended up shooting the dog instead.

What is it that attracts such weird people into politics. Why can't we get more normal people?
[quote][p][bold]bishopofwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford[/bold] wrote: Are you talking about convicted Cllr Kevin Wilson? LibDem at Tiverton? We should all condemn benefit fraud Sara, no matter who commits it, no matter what party. A crime is a crime. There are other frauds by politicians that should be equally condemned, such as expenses fraud (boy, didn't the MPs fill their boots before the Telegraph exposed them), the LiBLabCon became the LibLabConFraudsters. But there are issues I find even more disturbing, like those who would use positions of authority to sexually abuse children, like your own Cyril Smith MP, he even got a knighthood - now how does that work? Perhaps just as disgusting, if not more so, are the establishment who would seek to cover up such abuse of the vulnerable children in our care system. That really is awful and some are still alive in the LibDem party now who were part of that cover-up. Here is what I don't fully understand though. Your leader, Nick Clegg tried to cover it up or dismiss it again. He used words to try to give the impression it was nothing to do with the LibDem party. Weasel words Sara, and he was roundly condemned by all and sundry for doing so who could see what he was trying to do. I know he is a liar, but surely the man has some integrity? Are there no limits to the depths the LibDems will sink? It puts that LibDem loony Cllr John Larsen in the shade, All he did was set off bombs around Denbigh in North Wales. Judge Merfyn Hughes QC said "I am entirely satisfied had you not been arrested you would have killed or caused someone very serious injury. You abused the trust placed in you as a councillor". 18 years in prison. He has to be the looniest tuniest councillor ever. I wonder what values he thought he was reflecting with his bombing campaign? Or Cyril smith with his child abuse? Or indeed certain leading members of the Labour party with their promotion of Paedophilia? Was Cyril Smith part of the same thing do you think? The LibDems have long held similar beliefs to the Labour party. It gets worse. Cllr John Larsen, the LibDem bombing councillor was an ex-Mayor. I do hope you will speak to any ex-Mayors in your party next week to ensure this sort of thing is not repeated. ;-) Goodness me, I am getting scared to type "LibDem Councillor disgrace" into google, the search has found 217,000 results. Stealing from the poppy fund is on page one, I think that was only exposed recently but to be honest there are so many it's difficult to know where to start. Racially aggravated assault...I think I shall stop reading. I'm not saying your whole party and is made up of loony tunes and crooks Sara, I know the majority are quite nice and normal people, but boy you certainly pick them for elected office, don't you? While we are conversing, are you ready to tell the electorate how much you take in allowances and expenses for your lucrative roles as councillor on three different councils? I am sure the electorate would like to know and you keep ducking the question no matter how many times I ask you.[/p][/quote]You missed probably the most notorious ....Jeremy Thorpe ....was he not up On a murder charge in the 1970s ?[/p][/quote]You are quite right. I remember seeing all that on the TV and in the papers. He was accused of conspiracy to murder his gay lover and ended up shooting the dog instead. What is it that attracts such weird people into politics. Why can't we get more normal people? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

7:55am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Sara wrote:
@Phil Cox Which particular values are reflected by those who have pleaded guilty and convicted of benefit fraud upon the council they wish to represent?
What about being a cllr, failing to ensure best value, costing residents £4.4 million and then standing again as a paragon of virtue.
Quite insane.

We need to get rid of them

Whatever you do, do not vote Labour or LibDem, Three Rivers or Watford.
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: @Phil Cox Which particular values are reflected by those who have pleaded guilty and convicted of benefit fraud upon the council they wish to represent?[/p][/quote]What about being a cllr, failing to ensure best value, costing residents £4.4 million and then standing again as a paragon of virtue.[/p][/quote]Quite insane. We need to get rid of them Whatever you do, do not vote Labour or LibDem, Three Rivers or Watford. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

8:08am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Sara wrote:
@Phil Cox the difference is those who are allowed to stand for election after their conviction. Parties cannot know in advance what people might do after election. Usually such a person is removed from the party once the crime becomes clear.

For this benefit fraudster you need to look no further than UKIP's candidate in what I believe is your old stamping ground of Croxley. His crime was well publicised, but for three years since, UKIP have been prepared to put him up for election under their colours.
As I said Sara, we should all condemn benefit fraudsters no matter where or what party.

I notice you ignore the other more heinous crimes from your own party. Maybe that suits your agenda better to sweep you own far more disgusting elected politician under the carpet or hush up their crimes.

Thank goodness for Google and Private Eye, eh? So normal people can see exactly how hypocritical some politicians are when slinging mud.

What about your own earnings from Council Sara. Ready to tell us yet? I would love to know. Must be quite a crust for you to be so bashful about telling us. If only all your electors were lucky enough to earn that much and from a part-time job at that with all expenses paid.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: @Phil Cox the difference is those who are allowed to stand for election after their conviction. Parties cannot know in advance what people might do after election. Usually such a person is removed from the party once the crime becomes clear. For this benefit fraudster you need to look no further than UKIP's candidate in what I believe is your old stamping ground of Croxley. His crime was well publicised, but for three years since, UKIP have been prepared to put him up for election under their colours.[/p][/quote]As I said Sara, we should all condemn benefit fraudsters no matter where or what party. I notice you ignore the other more heinous crimes from your own party. Maybe that suits your agenda better to sweep you own far more disgusting elected politician under the carpet or hush up their crimes. Thank goodness for Google and Private Eye, eh? So normal people can see exactly how hypocritical some politicians are when slinging mud. What about your own earnings from Council Sara. Ready to tell us yet? I would love to know. Must be quite a crust for you to be so bashful about telling us. If only all your electors were lucky enough to earn that much and from a part-time job at that with all expenses paid. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

8:10am Thu 22 May 14

cgpc Rob says...

Some are standing at district level who are also parish cllrs, not one of them has backed any motions that require three estimates for contracts, when I proposed that residents are informed of the disfference in cost if TRDC or CGPC undertook a contract, no backing, beware of who you vote for in TRDC, all that glitters
Some are standing at district level who are also parish cllrs, not one of them has backed any motions that require three estimates for contracts, when I proposed that residents are informed of the disfference in cost if TRDC or CGPC undertook a contract, no backing, beware of who you vote for in TRDC, all that glitters cgpc Rob
  • Score: 1

8:18am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

There is a lot of arrogance in Watford Council among the LibDem councillors and Mayor. They don't listen.

It is time for a change.

It's time for better.
There is a lot of arrogance in Watford Council among the LibDem councillors and Mayor. They don't listen. It is time for a change. It's time for better. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

8:33am Thu 22 May 14

bishopofwatford says...

Sara wrote:
@Phil Cox the difference is those who are allowed to stand for election after their conviction. Parties cannot know in advance what people might do after election. Usually such a person is removed from the party once the crime becomes clear.

For this benefit fraudster you need to look no further than UKIP's candidate in what I believe is your old stamping ground of Croxley. His crime was well publicised, but for three years since, UKIP have been prepared to put him up for election under their colours.
Has this person repaid the monies fraudulently obtained?

Has this person admitted responsibility ?

If so then surely they have seen the error of their ways and should not be barred from standing !

I the answer to the two above is no , then of course , they do not deserve
To get any votes from the law abiding electorate!

Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: @Phil Cox the difference is those who are allowed to stand for election after their conviction. Parties cannot know in advance what people might do after election. Usually such a person is removed from the party once the crime becomes clear. For this benefit fraudster you need to look no further than UKIP's candidate in what I believe is your old stamping ground of Croxley. His crime was well publicised, but for three years since, UKIP have been prepared to put him up for election under their colours.[/p][/quote]Has this person repaid the monies fraudulently obtained? Has this person admitted responsibility ? If so then surely they have seen the error of their ways and should not be barred from standing ! I the answer to the two above is no , then of course , they do not deserve To get any votes from the law abiding electorate! Just a thought. bishopofwatford
  • Score: 2

8:35am Thu 22 May 14

cgpc Rob says...

Should councils have a page on their websites that allow residents to cast a vote/opinion on their actions, should they also have a page where residents can voice what they would like to see, afterall residents are only represented by cllrs, who if they don't agree, can kill an idea!
Should councils have a page on their websites that allow residents to cast a vote/opinion on their actions, should they also have a page where residents can voice what they would like to see, afterall residents are only represented by cllrs, who if they don't agree, can kill an idea! cgpc Rob
  • Score: 1

9:08am Thu 22 May 14

Sara says...

Gobsmacked that UKIP candidates and supporters think someone who admitted defrauding a council in a benefits scam is an appropriate person to sit on that council.
Gobsmacked that UKIP candidates and supporters think someone who admitted defrauding a council in a benefits scam is an appropriate person to sit on that council. Sara
  • Score: 1

9:26am Thu 22 May 14

TRT says...

cgpc Rob wrote:
Should councils have a page on their websites that allow residents to cast a vote/opinion on their actions, should they also have a page where residents can voice what they would like to see, afterall residents are only represented by cllrs, who if they don't agree, can kill an idea!
Sounds a bit like that Dr Who story... Colin Baker... Martin whatsisname... I think it was Vengeance on Varos? The leader had to submit to a daily vote whilst sitting under a disintegrator gun. Nasty was to do politics. ;)
[quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Should councils have a page on their websites that allow residents to cast a vote/opinion on their actions, should they also have a page where residents can voice what they would like to see, afterall residents are only represented by cllrs, who if they don't agree, can kill an idea![/p][/quote]Sounds a bit like that Dr Who story... Colin Baker... Martin whatsisname... I think it was Vengeance on Varos? The leader had to submit to a daily vote whilst sitting under a disintegrator gun. Nasty was to do politics. ;) TRT
  • Score: 0

9:26am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

My advice to Sara is that when deep enough in a hole you should stop digging.

Mud slinging is all they can do for they are bereft of ideas and so negative campaigning is all they have left. Sad to see.

Now she is even putting words in others mouths. A shameless tactic, Nick Clegg tried it with Nigel Farage and fell flat on his face. I doubt Sara will fare better for she is not so skilled in the dark arts.

Newspapers have the LibDems slated to lose every single MEP.

Maybe that's why she is so upset. They have lost every argument and the party of IN will soon become the party of SLUNG OUT.

Quite humiliating but there is a reason for it, as I explained to Dorothy last night. If you go against the will of the people you must not complain when they chuck you out.

You don't get it do you Sara? People are fed up of your sort of politics and want some honesty, decency and truth from their politicians. Tell us why to vote LibDem. Is there anything LibDem worth voting for?

Do you know what Sara, no-one cares what you and the LibDems think anymore, because no-one trusts you anymore.

Why do you think that is?

Now, how much do you get from your councillor roles? To the nearest thousand will do. You really have a problem with disclosing this don't you?
My advice to Sara is that when deep enough in a hole you should stop digging. Mud slinging is all they can do for they are bereft of ideas and so negative campaigning is all they have left. Sad to see. Now she is even putting words in others mouths. A shameless tactic, Nick Clegg tried it with Nigel Farage and fell flat on his face. I doubt Sara will fare better for she is not so skilled in the dark arts. Newspapers have the LibDems slated to lose every single MEP. Maybe that's why she is so upset. They have lost every argument and the party of IN will soon become the party of SLUNG OUT. Quite humiliating but there is a reason for it, as I explained to Dorothy last night. If you go against the will of the people you must not complain when they chuck you out. You don't get it do you Sara? People are fed up of your sort of politics and want some honesty, decency and truth from their politicians. Tell us why to vote LibDem. Is there anything LibDem worth voting for? Do you know what Sara, no-one cares what you and the LibDems think anymore, because no-one trusts you anymore. Why do you think that is? Now, how much do you get from your councillor roles? To the nearest thousand will do. You really have a problem with disclosing this don't you? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

9:32am Thu 22 May 14

Cuetip says...

The 8 most meaningless local election pledges of 2014 is bad enough.

But more importantly the manifesto writing is a fine art of making stirring promises that also leave politicians acres of wriggle room leading to so many policies and quangos which deliver very little and create mountains of litter.
The 8 most meaningless local election pledges of 2014 is bad enough. But more importantly the manifesto writing is a fine art of making stirring promises that also leave politicians acres of wriggle room leading to so many policies and quangos which deliver very little and create mountains of litter. Cuetip
  • Score: 2

9:42am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Cuetip wrote:
The 8 most meaningless local election pledges of 2014 is bad enough.

But more importantly the manifesto writing is a fine art of making stirring promises that also leave politicians acres of wriggle room leading to so many policies and quangos which deliver very little and create mountains of litter.
Have a look at the Watford UKIP one then. It has been described as the most detailed by Watford Observers own reporter.

Our manifesto was not designed that way, it was precise and crisp and designed to say exactly what we would do if elected.

UKIP has no need to wriggle. We mean what we say and say what we mean. Have a read.

Then go out and vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: The 8 most meaningless local election pledges of 2014 is bad enough. But more importantly the manifesto writing is a fine art of making stirring promises that also leave politicians acres of wriggle room leading to so many policies and quangos which deliver very little and create mountains of litter.[/p][/quote]Have a look at the Watford UKIP one then. It has been described as the most detailed by Watford Observers own reporter. Our manifesto was not designed that way, it was precise and crisp and designed to say exactly what we would do if elected. UKIP has no need to wriggle. We mean what we say and say what we mean. Have a read. Then go out and vote UKIP. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 4

9:53am Thu 22 May 14

TRT says...

Just been alerted to another Lib Dem Mayor overstepping the mark in Kendal, Lake District. Demolished two of those narrow stiles made from stone slabs, around 300 years old.
http://www.thewestmo
rlandgazette.co.uk/n
ews/11209704.Fury_as
_historic_Kendal_sti
le_is_removed/

I no longer consider myself as a Liberal Democrat, mainly as the Lib Dem party are no longer liberal or democratic, much in the same way that Labour is no longer a socialist party and hasn't been since Tony Blair.
Just been alerted to another Lib Dem Mayor overstepping the mark in Kendal, Lake District. Demolished two of those narrow stiles made from stone slabs, around 300 years old. http://www.thewestmo rlandgazette.co.uk/n ews/11209704.Fury_as _historic_Kendal_sti le_is_removed/ I no longer consider myself as a Liberal Democrat, mainly as the Lib Dem party are no longer liberal or democratic, much in the same way that Labour is no longer a socialist party and hasn't been since Tony Blair. TRT
  • Score: 6

10:24am Thu 22 May 14

garston tony says...

The 'none of the above' box is something i've mentioned a few times on here over the years, what better way to send a clear message to politicians than people actively not voting for any of them!

At the moment the poor turn outs at elections which are a massive sign of public disatisfaction in politics and politicians is in effect ignored by all parties, especially the one(s) that win. If voting was compulsory and all those that currently dont vote or vote for the least worst option voted none of the above I think that would win by a landslide and be the message to politicians that the public really dont like how they run the country.

Being in power is supposed to be about doing what those people think is best for those they are elected to govern, far far too much time is spent however point scoring against each other and doing things just to try and win votes and we all end up losing.
The 'none of the above' box is something i've mentioned a few times on here over the years, what better way to send a clear message to politicians than people actively not voting for any of them! At the moment the poor turn outs at elections which are a massive sign of public disatisfaction in politics and politicians is in effect ignored by all parties, especially the one(s) that win. If voting was compulsory and all those that currently dont vote or vote for the least worst option voted none of the above I think that would win by a landslide and be the message to politicians that the public really dont like how they run the country. Being in power is supposed to be about doing what those people think is best for those they are elected to govern, far far too much time is spent however point scoring against each other and doing things just to try and win votes and we all end up losing. garston tony
  • Score: 9

10:25am Thu 22 May 14

garston tony says...

Regards meaningless pledges, surely all candidates by putting themselves forward are pledging to do their best for those that elect them for the duration of time they are elected for. Dotty of the Lib Dems has broken this pledge even before a single vote was cast by refusing to commit to the role of mayor (should she win) for the full term and leaving the option of quitting within a year wide open
Regards meaningless pledges, surely all candidates by putting themselves forward are pledging to do their best for those that elect them for the duration of time they are elected for. Dotty of the Lib Dems has broken this pledge even before a single vote was cast by refusing to commit to the role of mayor (should she win) for the full term and leaving the option of quitting within a year wide open garston tony
  • Score: 5

10:37am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Couldn't agree more Tony.

Ever thought of getting involved and helping improve politics?
Couldn't agree more Tony. Ever thought of getting involved and helping improve politics? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

10:49am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

We need good people so we can get rid of the bad ones.
We need good people so we can get rid of the bad ones. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 2

10:58am Thu 22 May 14

garston tony says...

Theres a few on here that wouldnt agree that i'm a 'good' person Phil but thanks for the compliment anyway
Theres a few on here that wouldnt agree that i'm a 'good' person Phil but thanks for the compliment anyway garston tony
  • Score: 1

11:04am Thu 22 May 14

garston tony says...

I still havent made up my mind who to vote for and am leaving it a little late. I wont therefore wish you luck Phil but will say I genuinely hope the best candidate for Watford wins and if that is you then fair play and all the best in the job.

If it isnt you then I think at the very least you can take pride in having stirred up a hornets nest under the old guard. Something that is sorely needed. And also fair play for being willing to communicate and debate and respond on this forum
I still havent made up my mind who to vote for and am leaving it a little late. I wont therefore wish you luck Phil but will say I genuinely hope the best candidate for Watford wins and if that is you then fair play and all the best in the job. If it isnt you then I think at the very least you can take pride in having stirred up a hornets nest under the old guard. Something that is sorely needed. And also fair play for being willing to communicate and debate and respond on this forum garston tony
  • Score: 0

11:06am Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Thanks Tony. I did my best.
Thanks Tony. I did my best. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

12:04pm Thu 22 May 14

garston tony says...

Must be a tense wait for you today, do you have a rough idea when the results will be in?

Big day for the UKIP too alround, regardles of everyones opinion of them its good to have a 'new' party challenging the old ones and UKIP is at the end of the day giving a voice/option to many of the electorate who feel the other three parties dont represent them
Must be a tense wait for you today, do you have a rough idea when the results will be in? Big day for the UKIP too alround, regardles of everyones opinion of them its good to have a 'new' party challenging the old ones and UKIP is at the end of the day giving a voice/option to many of the electorate who feel the other three parties dont represent them garston tony
  • Score: 3

12:46pm Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Funnily enough not tense at all, I'm actually quite relaxed about the election because I'm quite relaxed about becoming Mayor.

The election results for Mayor should be out tomorrow lunchtime/early afternoon, council results tomorrow evening, and EU results Sunday night/Monday morning.

It's just a waiting game now. I can't wait for the elections to be over.
Funnily enough not tense at all, I'm actually quite relaxed about the election because I'm quite relaxed about becoming Mayor. The election results for Mayor should be out tomorrow lunchtime/early afternoon, council results tomorrow evening, and EU results Sunday night/Monday morning. It's just a waiting game now. I can't wait for the elections to be over. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Thu 22 May 14

cgpc Rob says...

Sara wrote:
Gobsmacked that UKIP candidates and supporters think someone who admitted defrauding a council in a benefits scam is an appropriate person to sit on that council.
What about cllrs who don't ensure transparency and openness, so that residents are aware of the facts, four Lib/Dems sat on CGPC 2007-11 and when the discussion ensued about the Greens contract, not one of them ensured all the facts were given, TRDC cost £15/600pa, CGPC £15000pa, when it was proposed to obtain the facts, they didn't support it, residents pay for it, not just them.
[quote][p][bold]Sara[/bold] wrote: Gobsmacked that UKIP candidates and supporters think someone who admitted defrauding a council in a benefits scam is an appropriate person to sit on that council.[/p][/quote]What about cllrs who don't ensure transparency and openness, so that residents are aware of the facts, four Lib/Dems sat on CGPC 2007-11 and when the discussion ensued about the Greens contract, not one of them ensured all the facts were given, TRDC cost £15/600pa, CGPC £15000pa, when it was proposed to obtain the facts, they didn't support it, residents pay for it, not just them. cgpc Rob
  • Score: 0

2:58pm Thu 22 May 14

cgpc Rob says...

TRT wrote:
cgpc Rob wrote:
Should councils have a page on their websites that allow residents to cast a vote/opinion on their actions, should they also have a page where residents can voice what they would like to see, afterall residents are only represented by cllrs, who if they don't agree, can kill an idea!
Sounds a bit like that Dr Who story... Colin Baker... Martin whatsisname... I think it was Vengeance on Varos? The leader had to submit to a daily vote whilst sitting under a disintegrator gun. Nasty was to do politics. ;)
Who in Watford would have approved the BRIDGE over the pond!

If residents had the right of say and not just through cllrs, then some might have supported, others not, by allowing them to express might make cllrs think, also should a link be put on councils websites for the voting record of all cllrs?
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgpc Rob[/bold] wrote: Should councils have a page on their websites that allow residents to cast a vote/opinion on their actions, should they also have a page where residents can voice what they would like to see, afterall residents are only represented by cllrs, who if they don't agree, can kill an idea![/p][/quote]Sounds a bit like that Dr Who story... Colin Baker... Martin whatsisname... I think it was Vengeance on Varos? The leader had to submit to a daily vote whilst sitting under a disintegrator gun. Nasty was to do politics. ;)[/p][/quote]Who in Watford would have approved the BRIDGE over the pond! If residents had the right of say and not just through cllrs, then some might have supported, others not, by allowing them to express might make cllrs think, also should a link be put on councils websites for the voting record of all cllrs? cgpc Rob
  • Score: 0

7:50pm Thu 22 May 14

TRT says...

You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP!
And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible.
I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too.
**** you for not standing as Independents. **** you!
You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP! And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible. I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too. **** you for not standing as Independents. **** you! TRT
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Thu 22 May 14

TRT says...

TRT wrote:
You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP!
And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible.
I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too.
**** you for not standing as Independents. **** you!
And that's not particularly harsh asterisked language, by the way.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP! And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible. I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too. **** you for not standing as Independents. **** you![/p][/quote]And that's not particularly harsh asterisked language, by the way. TRT
  • Score: 1

8:33pm Thu 22 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

TRT wrote:
You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP!
And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible.
I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too.
**** you for not standing as Independents. **** you!
That post tickled me.

I'm sorry to be giving you such a hard time, I understand where you are coming from, and maybe what I say next may help you decide.

UKIP is not what some people think it is, it is generally made up of very decent people who are not fruitcakes or racists.

Regardless of that, it is I standing for Mayor, and I have said that if elected I will act as an independent, putting town first and party second. I will not forget who pays my wages and why I am Mayor. I will do my very best for the town over the next four years and I know I can do an extremely good job of it. I am known for achieving things in my business life and I am very ambitious for Watford.

I was instrumental in drawing up the local UKIP manifesto, they are my values, and I will stick by them.

If you want the best Mayor for Watford, then I am your man. If you want to vote party then I fear you may end up disappointed by those you might otherwise elect.

I would not let you or any of the people of Watford down, I would be a Mayor for all the people of Watford, no matter race, religion or political party.

I have acted completely fairly in this election, we have not trolled the WO like other parties and their supporters. we have not put out negative publicity, we have fought a good clean fight based upon firm principles and a principled manifesto.

I could have done no more to get your vote than I have already done.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP! And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible. I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too. **** you for not standing as Independents. **** you![/p][/quote]That post tickled me. I'm sorry to be giving you such a hard time, I understand where you are coming from, and maybe what I say next may help you decide. UKIP is not what some people think it is, it is generally made up of very decent people who are not fruitcakes or racists. Regardless of that, it is I standing for Mayor, and I have said that if elected I will act as an independent, putting town first and party second. I will not forget who pays my wages and why I am Mayor. I will do my very best for the town over the next four years and I know I can do an extremely good job of it. I am known for achieving things in my business life and I am very ambitious for Watford. I was instrumental in drawing up the local UKIP manifesto, they are my values, and I will stick by them. If you want the best Mayor for Watford, then I am your man. If you want to vote party then I fear you may end up disappointed by those you might otherwise elect. I would not let you or any of the people of Watford down, I would be a Mayor for all the people of Watford, no matter race, religion or political party. I have acted completely fairly in this election, we have not trolled the WO like other parties and their supporters. we have not put out negative publicity, we have fought a good clean fight based upon firm principles and a principled manifesto. I could have done no more to get your vote than I have already done. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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8:59pm Thu 22 May 14

inside-watford says...

TRT wrote:
You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP!
And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible.
I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too.
**** you for not standing as Independents. **** you!
This is a very valid point and friends have said the same to me. It's kind of like buying a brand new Skoda just after Volkswagan took over a bigger share of the company. Everything about the Skoda looked good and it was a sensible car to buy..... but it was still a "Skoda". However it proved to become a decent car and went in the right direction. Your vote is private so go with your heart and if necessary tell a white lie to the family! :-)
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: You see, the trouble I'm having is that the UKIP manifesto, both Mayoral and at council levels, is the most sensible one of the lot. BUT IT'S UKIP! And I'm having a real hard time with the fact that the party is full of right wingers, bordering on the right further than the Tories, and I'm about as far from that as possible. I can't reconcile the local and the national manifestos for this party, and it's driving me insane. I can't talk to my kids about it or my family as they're vilifying me over even considering placing my vote there. And that's beyond me beating myself up. I'm losing friends over it too. **** you for not standing as Independents. **** you![/p][/quote]This is a very valid point and friends have said the same to me. It's kind of like buying a brand new Skoda just after Volkswagan took over a bigger share of the company. Everything about the Skoda looked good and it was a sensible car to buy..... but it was still a "Skoda". However it proved to become a decent car and went in the right direction. Your vote is private so go with your heart and if necessary tell a white lie to the family! :-) inside-watford
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11:26pm Thu 22 May 14

cgpc Rob says...

The polls are closed, whether Phil or the others are elected, at least he posts, engages, where were the others?

You don't have to agree with him or the others, but I have personally found his approach refreshing, he doesn't shun an issue.

Forgot 2015!
another year
The polls are closed, whether Phil or the others are elected, at least he posts, engages, where were the others? You don't have to agree with him or the others, but I have personally found his approach refreshing, he doesn't shun an issue. Forgot 2015! another year cgpc Rob
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7:41am Fri 23 May 14

garston tony says...

When are the results expected? They dont seem to be pulling their fingers out to get the counting done do they!
When are the results expected? They dont seem to be pulling their fingers out to get the counting done do they! garston tony
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8:46am Fri 23 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Round about lunchtime
Round about lunchtime Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
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9:16am Fri 23 May 14

garston tony says...

Lunchtime! What, is there only one person counting the ballot papers or something? Or is this a ploy by Dotty to cling onto power for a few more hours!

I have to say whilst i've voted in previous elections this is the only one where i've actually been, excited isnt the right word but eager I guess to find out whose won. Thats partially because i'm interested in how UKIP have done and just as importantly i'm hoping that Dotty didnt get back in (she'll be insuferable if shes won, her ego will be through the roof and it'll egg her on even more to go for MP next year)
Lunchtime! What, is there only one person counting the ballot papers or something? Or is this a ploy by Dotty to cling onto power for a few more hours! I have to say whilst i've voted in previous elections this is the only one where i've actually been, excited isnt the right word but eager I guess to find out whose won. Thats partially because i'm interested in how UKIP have done and just as importantly i'm hoping that Dotty didnt get back in (she'll be insuferable if shes won, her ego will be through the roof and it'll egg her on even more to go for MP next year) garston tony
  • Score: 3

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