Squatters take up residence in Watford warehouse

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About 15 squatters have taken up residence in a warehouse in a Watford industrial estate.

Police attended the Parker Hannifin premises, in Greycaine Road, at 11am today following reports the group had moved in overnight.

Officers did not evict the squatters, who have squatters’ rights, but are now in contact with the building’s owner.

Watford Safer Neighbourhood Team, Inspector Nick Lillitou, said: "We are currently liaising with the owner of the building in question and are looking into our legal options. We will continue to monitor the local area as part of our regular patrols."

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9:58am Tue 10 Jun 14

pepsiman says...

I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such?
I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such? pepsiman
  • Score: 4

10:03am Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

From the bus, I counted at least six empty office building on Clarendon Road last night. There are dozens of empty units like this all over Watford, and yet we get spun the line that the "health campus" will bring jobs to the area by providing much needed office and industrial space.
This is what they say on their website:
"One of the reasons the partners are working so hard to deliver the Health Campus project is because the site contains opportunities for new employment space. Up to 1,600 jobs will be created in a wide variety of occupations or trades including retail, leisure, light industrial and of course connected to the hospital."

There's no lack of available industrial space in Watford. There is a lack of housing. If there are empty units on the Greycaine, why not develop property there? It's convenient for Watford North, and it's convenient for firms established on the estate already. By having people around, the area becomes safer, friendlier, not a haven for boy racers and drug deals in the dead of night. This whole idea of zoning industrial and housing is an outmoded, unrealistic concept that needs to be reversed.
From the bus, I counted at least six empty office building on Clarendon Road last night. There are dozens of empty units like this all over Watford, and yet we get spun the line that the "health campus" will bring jobs to the area by providing much needed office and industrial space. This is what they say on their website: "One of the reasons the partners are working so hard to deliver the Health Campus project is because the site contains opportunities for new employment space. Up to 1,600 jobs will be created in a wide variety of occupations or trades including retail, leisure, light industrial and of course connected to the hospital." There's no lack of available industrial space in Watford. There is a lack of housing. If there are empty units on the Greycaine, why not develop property there? It's convenient for Watford North, and it's convenient for firms established on the estate already. By having people around, the area becomes safer, friendlier, not a haven for boy racers and drug deals in the dead of night. This whole idea of zoning industrial and housing is an outmoded, unrealistic concept that needs to be reversed. TRT
  • Score: 13

10:19am Tue 10 Jun 14

oddjobman says...

pepsiman wrote:
I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such?
I believe that the change in the law applies only to residential property. That said, it seems bizarre that, in our society where the rule of law is supposed to apply, anyone can walk into a place that does not belong to them and decide to live there. Squatters should be treated in the same way as burglars: arrested and put before the courts. The offence: trespass.
[quote][p][bold]pepsiman[/bold] wrote: I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such?[/p][/quote]I believe that the change in the law applies only to residential property. That said, it seems bizarre that, in our society where the rule of law is supposed to apply, anyone can walk into a place that does not belong to them and decide to live there. Squatters should be treated in the same way as burglars: arrested and put before the courts. The offence: trespass. oddjobman
  • Score: 14

10:19am Tue 10 Jun 14

oddjobman says...

pepsiman wrote:
I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such?
I believe that the change in the law applies only to residential property. That said, it seems bizarre that, in our society where the rule of law is supposed to apply, anyone can walk into a place that does not belong to them and decide to live there. Squatters should be treated in the same way as burglars: arrested and put before the courts. The offence: trespass.
[quote][p][bold]pepsiman[/bold] wrote: I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such?[/p][/quote]I believe that the change in the law applies only to residential property. That said, it seems bizarre that, in our society where the rule of law is supposed to apply, anyone can walk into a place that does not belong to them and decide to live there. Squatters should be treated in the same way as burglars: arrested and put before the courts. The offence: trespass. oddjobman
  • Score: 1

10:22am Tue 10 Jun 14

netd1975 says...

pepsiman wrote:
I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such?
the rights only changed for domestic not commercial properties, perhaps if our wonderful mayor spent the money on making sure there was enough affordable homes instead of building a bridge over a pond we could work to eliminate homelessness and squatting
[quote][p][bold]pepsiman[/bold] wrote: I thought the 'squatters rights' law had changed, surely they are trespassers and therefore should be arrested and charged as such?[/p][/quote]the rights only changed for domestic not commercial properties, perhaps if our wonderful mayor spent the money on making sure there was enough affordable homes instead of building a bridge over a pond we could work to eliminate homelessness and squatting netd1975
  • Score: 14

10:47am Tue 10 Jun 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Don't blame them for occupying an empty warehouse! I would do the same if driven to it by the current government who seem hell bent on making us all destitute!
Don't blame them for occupying an empty warehouse! I would do the same if driven to it by the current government who seem hell bent on making us all destitute! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 5

10:47am Tue 10 Jun 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

Don't blame them for occupying an empty warehouse! I would do the same if driven to it by the current government who seem hell bent on making us all destitute!
Don't blame them for occupying an empty warehouse! I would do the same if driven to it by the current government who seem hell bent on making us all destitute! Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: -9

11:08am Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

Trespass is and always has been a civil offence, not a criminal offence. The police are powerless to act unless there is a compounded crime, for example trespass with criminal damage, trespass with the intent to commit robbery etc.
Although the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 introduced criminal acts of collective trespass, trespass with a public nuisance (e.g. illegal "raves"), and as previously mentioned trespass to a home with the intent of squatting.
Trespass is and always has been a civil offence, not a criminal offence. The police are powerless to act unless there is a compounded crime, for example trespass with criminal damage, trespass with the intent to commit robbery etc. Although the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 introduced criminal acts of collective trespass, trespass with a public nuisance (e.g. illegal "raves"), and as previously mentioned trespass to a home with the intent of squatting. TRT
  • Score: 6

11:09am Tue 10 Jun 14

G_Whiz says...

I think it's nice that Eastern Europeans can live where they like - And even nicer of the Police to ignore the fact that they broke in.

It's also very refreshing that so many commenters are defending it all too!
I think it's nice that Eastern Europeans can live where they like - And even nicer of the Police to ignore the fact that they broke in. It's also very refreshing that so many commenters are defending it all too! G_Whiz
  • Score: 1

11:22am Tue 10 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether?

That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods.

And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried
Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether? That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods. And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried garston tony
  • Score: -1

11:26am Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

" thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts"

If it's good or not depends on where we were before the current government.
" thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts" If it's good or not depends on where we were before the current government. TRT
  • Score: 4

11:32am Tue 10 Jun 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

garston tony wrote:
Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether?

That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods.

And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried
And that was a Party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether? That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods. And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried[/p][/quote]And that was a Party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Tue 10 Jun 14

angryangryangry says...

G_Whiz wrote:
I think it's nice that Eastern Europeans can live where they like - And even nicer of the Police to ignore the fact that they broke in.

It's also very refreshing that so many commenters are defending it all too!
Who says they are eastern european?
[quote][p][bold]G_Whiz[/bold] wrote: I think it's nice that Eastern Europeans can live where they like - And even nicer of the Police to ignore the fact that they broke in. It's also very refreshing that so many commenters are defending it all too![/p][/quote]Who says they are eastern european? angryangryangry
  • Score: 4

12:18pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Hornets number 12 fan says...

angryangryangry wrote:
G_Whiz wrote:
I think it's nice that Eastern Europeans can live where they like - And even nicer of the Police to ignore the fact that they broke in.

It's also very refreshing that so many commenters are defending it all too!
Who says they are eastern european?
A racist that jumps to conclusions maybe?
[quote][p][bold]angryangryangry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G_Whiz[/bold] wrote: I think it's nice that Eastern Europeans can live where they like - And even nicer of the Police to ignore the fact that they broke in. It's also very refreshing that so many commenters are defending it all too![/p][/quote]Who says they are eastern european?[/p][/quote]A racist that jumps to conclusions maybe? Hornets number 12 fan
  • Score: 9

1:00pm Tue 10 Jun 14

garston tony says...

TRT wrote:
" thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts" If it's good or not depends on where we were before the current government.
In a big dark hole werent we?

What note did the last labour exchequer write again when they lost the election for his successor? Oh yes, good luck theres no money
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: " thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts" If it's good or not depends on where we were before the current government.[/p][/quote]In a big dark hole werent we? What note did the last labour exchequer write again when they lost the election for his successor? Oh yes, good luck theres no money garston tony
  • Score: 7

1:02pm Tue 10 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Hornets number 12 fan wrote:
garston tony wrote: Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether? That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods. And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried
And that was a Party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party
No, there is someone quoting an international financial institute as well as someone who doesnt have a short term memory or a complete bias
[quote][p][bold]Hornets number 12 fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether? That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods. And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried[/p][/quote]And that was a Party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party[/p][/quote]No, there is someone quoting an international financial institute as well as someone who doesnt have a short term memory or a complete bias garston tony
  • Score: 8

2:06pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Watford squatters says...

We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!! Watford squatters
  • Score: -15

2:08pm Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

Squatford?
Squatford? TRT
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

... and your wasting
you're

...family's
families

... nesacary
necessary

... untill
until

... if anyone
If; you should put a capital letter at the start of a sentence.

You're welcome.
... and your wasting you're ...family's families ... nesacary necessary ... untill until ... if anyone If; you should put a capital letter at the start of a sentence. You're welcome. TRT
  • Score: 7

4:43pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Popeonarope says...

Watford squatters wrote:
We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o)

Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity.

TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.
[quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!![/p][/quote]Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead. Popeonarope
  • Score: -4

5:11pm Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

Popeonarope wrote:
Watford squatters wrote:
We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o)

Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity.

TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.
FYI, I am a dick head. ;)
For the record, I'd rather that an element of society whose acts may be seen as unlawful, unruly, undeserving of any respect etc. didn't put themselves across as a bunch of lairy uneducated louts with opinions that can be simply dismissed as the product of ignorance. By correcting their spelling and grammar, I hope that they will earn more respect and sympathy whilst carrying out their activities.
[quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!![/p][/quote]Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.[/p][/quote]FYI, I am a dick head. ;) For the record, I'd rather that an element of society whose acts may be seen as unlawful, unruly, undeserving of any respect etc. didn't put themselves across as a bunch of lairy uneducated louts with opinions that can be simply dismissed as the product of ignorance. By correcting their spelling and grammar, I hope that they will earn more respect and sympathy whilst carrying out their activities. TRT
  • Score: 7

5:17pm Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

I believe the pressure on housing and land as a result of commercial squatting (i.e. holding empty premises as part of a more tax-efficient portfolio), the price of housing, the poor quality of existing housing stock in the low rent sector and general homelessness is the most pressing matter on the social agenda, bar none.

I just hope that when they are forced to leave through legal means, that they leave the property as clean, tidy and soil-free as it was when they found it. Failing to do so gives protestors of this kind a bad name. Unless they aren't protesting and are simply a bunch of chancers living an alternate lifestyle regardless of the cost to individuals and society. I mean, if the police are called in to enforce an eviction notice, the council tax payers of Hertfordshire will be the ones footing the bill.
I believe the pressure on housing and land as a result of commercial squatting (i.e. holding empty premises as part of a more tax-efficient portfolio), the price of housing, the poor quality of existing housing stock in the low rent sector and general homelessness is the most pressing matter on the social agenda, bar none. I just hope that when they are forced to leave through legal means, that they leave the property as clean, tidy and soil-free as it was when they found it. Failing to do so gives protestors of this kind a bad name. Unless they aren't protesting and are simply a bunch of chancers living an alternate lifestyle regardless of the cost to individuals and society. I mean, if the police are called in to enforce an eviction notice, the council tax payers of Hertfordshire will be the ones footing the bill. TRT
  • Score: 6

6:09pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Popeonarope says...

TRT wrote:
Popeonarope wrote:
Watford squatters wrote:
We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o)

Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity.

TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.
FYI, I am a dick head. ;)
For the record, I'd rather that an element of society whose acts may be seen as unlawful, unruly, undeserving of any respect etc. didn't put themselves across as a bunch of lairy uneducated louts with opinions that can be simply dismissed as the product of ignorance. By correcting their spelling and grammar, I hope that they will earn more respect and sympathy whilst carrying out their activities.
Fair enough, me too :o)

Direct action protests raises the profile of the subject and allows debate to flourish.
I dont know the circumstances of these peeps but no one can deny the failings of all recent governments in dealing with the housing issue. If empty locations can be utilised to provide for families then why not? If the current councils and governments are forced to take note that some people are willing and able to protest peacefully and within the law than good luck to them.
Until the overcrowding of our towns and the imbalance between wages and rents / mortgages are addressed i think more empty locations should be taken over until the issue is resolved.
Affordable housing is a right of everyone that has been taken away by the greed of the banks and the failings of the governments. We have seen the poorest and most disadvantaged of our society disproportionately effected by the austerity measures with the growth of food banks and rent arrears.
If the Watford Squatters can help bring about a better life for themselves by taking over a building that is not being used than it is fine by me.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!![/p][/quote]Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.[/p][/quote]FYI, I am a dick head. ;) For the record, I'd rather that an element of society whose acts may be seen as unlawful, unruly, undeserving of any respect etc. didn't put themselves across as a bunch of lairy uneducated louts with opinions that can be simply dismissed as the product of ignorance. By correcting their spelling and grammar, I hope that they will earn more respect and sympathy whilst carrying out their activities.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, me too :o) Direct action protests raises the profile of the subject and allows debate to flourish. I dont know the circumstances of these peeps but no one can deny the failings of all recent governments in dealing with the housing issue. If empty locations can be utilised to provide for families then why not? If the current councils and governments are forced to take note that some people are willing and able to protest peacefully and within the law than good luck to them. Until the overcrowding of our towns and the imbalance between wages and rents / mortgages are addressed i think more empty locations should be taken over until the issue is resolved. Affordable housing is a right of everyone that has been taken away by the greed of the banks and the failings of the governments. We have seen the poorest and most disadvantaged of our society disproportionately effected by the austerity measures with the growth of food banks and rent arrears. If the Watford Squatters can help bring about a better life for themselves by taking over a building that is not being used than it is fine by me. Popeonarope
  • Score: 5

6:09pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Popeonarope says...

Fair enough, me too :o)

Direct action protests raises the profile of the subject and allows debate to flourish.
I dont know the circumstances of these peeps but no one can deny the failings of all recent governments in dealing with the housing issue. If empty locations can be utilised to provide for families then why not? If the current councils and governments are forced to take note that some people are willing and able to protest peacefully and within the law than good luck to them.
Until the overcrowding of our towns and the imbalance between wages and rents / mortgages are addressed i think more empty locations should be taken over until the issue is resolved.
Affordable housing is a right of everyone that has been taken away by the greed of the banks and the failings of the governments. We have seen the poorest and most disadvantaged of our society disproportionately effected by the austerity measures with the growth of food banks and rent arrears.
If the Watford Squatters can help bring about a better life for themselves by taking over a building that is not being used than it is fine by me.
Fair enough, me too :o) Direct action protests raises the profile of the subject and allows debate to flourish. I dont know the circumstances of these peeps but no one can deny the failings of all recent governments in dealing with the housing issue. If empty locations can be utilised to provide for families then why not? If the current councils and governments are forced to take note that some people are willing and able to protest peacefully and within the law than good luck to them. Until the overcrowding of our towns and the imbalance between wages and rents / mortgages are addressed i think more empty locations should be taken over until the issue is resolved. Affordable housing is a right of everyone that has been taken away by the greed of the banks and the failings of the governments. We have seen the poorest and most disadvantaged of our society disproportionately effected by the austerity measures with the growth of food banks and rent arrears. If the Watford Squatters can help bring about a better life for themselves by taking over a building that is not being used than it is fine by me. Popeonarope
  • Score: 4

6:17pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Boosey says...

Watford squatters wrote:
We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
If you are all in full time employment, surely it would make economical sense for all of you to contribute to either buy or rent a place which is more suitable for you and your families?
[quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!![/p][/quote]If you are all in full time employment, surely it would make economical sense for all of you to contribute to either buy or rent a place which is more suitable for you and your families? Boosey
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Tue 10 Jun 14

bishopofwatford says...

garston tony wrote:
Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether?

That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods.

And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried
Quite so the real "crime" here is the gluttony exhibited by property "developers" and their cronies .....nudge nuge dont mention thesocalled health campus.

The only thing these parasites develope are their bank balances !

I have long thought that councils and others so empowered should compulsory purchase any office building that has bee empty for say more than 2 years and convert frankly a vastly overstocked office market into
More useful residential use.

But oh no that is too logical and radical ....we cant upset too many applecarts can we.

Yes ,not only can we but it is morally right to do so.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Isnt it about time that 'squatters rights' be eliminated altogether? That should be side by side in putting into place things to ensure property, both commercial and private, doesnt lie uncessarly empty for long periods. And HN12fan should remember that squatters are not a new thing and people where claiming squatters rights in the boom times too, its a generalistic statement but from what I have seen squatters are mostly a certain type who would choose to do that regardless of the economic situation. HN12's claims are also a little out of touch considering the recent news that our economy, thanks to the current government, is fourth richest in the world and second in Europe by all accounts. Its all comparative of course but even in good times the days of throwing money at people so that they can free load through life of other tax payers should be dead and burried[/p][/quote]Quite so the real "crime" here is the gluttony exhibited by property "developers" and their cronies .....nudge nuge dont mention thesocalled health campus. The only thing these parasites develope are their bank balances ! I have long thought that councils and others so empowered should compulsory purchase any office building that has bee empty for say more than 2 years and convert frankly a vastly overstocked office market into More useful residential use. But oh no that is too logical and radical ....we cant upset too many applecarts can we. Yes ,not only can we but it is morally right to do so. bishopofwatford
  • Score: 2

7:41pm Tue 10 Jun 14

TRT says...

Affected, not effected. ;-D
Affected, not effected. ;-D TRT
  • Score: 3

8:21pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Popeonarope says...

TRT wrote:
Affected, not effected. ;-D
Quite right :o)
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: Affected, not effected. ;-D[/p][/quote]Quite right :o) Popeonarope
  • Score: 4

9:23pm Tue 10 Jun 14

G_Whiz says...

Are they paying for their Electricity, Water and Council tax by direct debit?

Oh, and it does make a nice change it's not Eastern Europeans, latest stats say they usually are. I'm just glad these Brits will keep everything clean and tidy.

And still, the police ignore the break-in!
Are they paying for their Electricity, Water and Council tax by direct debit? Oh, and it does make a nice change it's not Eastern Europeans, latest stats say they usually are. I'm just glad these Brits will keep everything clean and tidy. And still, the police ignore the break-in! G_Whiz
  • Score: 2

2:16am Wed 11 Jun 14

bishopofwatford says...

G_Whiz wrote:
Are they paying for their Electricity, Water and Council tax by direct debit?

Oh, and it does make a nice change it's not Eastern Europeans, latest stats say they usually are. I'm just glad these Brits will keep everything clean and tidy.

And still, the police ignore the break-in!
Fair comment...by the way u do not need to use direct debits to pay these days , there is this strange idea ,i think its called cash. If they are hijacking the leccy then that is theft hence police can take action but not if the absentee owners have left the supply connecyted...then its not ...especially if thet make provision have a jar and put those strange new things called coins in. Council tax ...there u have got me , unless of coutse they are registered at another address.

No all in all ai tnhink they may be doing the absentee owners a service...they will presumeably not what to trash the place or set fires there unlike your common or garden toerag burglar /vandal.

An interesting legal case could they send a invoice to the owners that on say grounds of health and safety they are guardians of that property thereby keeping the cost of building insurance down....ie not having to claim for fire or water damage.

All in all if i were stupid enough to have been conned into the glories of owning empty offices etc. i would be tempted to look for any occupant.

Talking earlier of vacant properties i hope the council are spending our money on Compulsory purchase orders for the industrial properties at the end of cardiff road but also guarding them again pirates.......just a thought!

We wouldnt want the Health campus delayed by a long drawn out legal wrangle over evicting undesireables would we ?
[quote][p][bold]G_Whiz[/bold] wrote: Are they paying for their Electricity, Water and Council tax by direct debit? Oh, and it does make a nice change it's not Eastern Europeans, latest stats say they usually are. I'm just glad these Brits will keep everything clean and tidy. And still, the police ignore the break-in![/p][/quote]Fair comment...by the way u do not need to use direct debits to pay these days , there is this strange idea ,i think its called cash. If they are hijacking the leccy then that is theft hence police can take action but not if the absentee owners have left the supply connecyted...then its not ...especially if thet make provision have a jar and put those strange new things called coins in. Council tax ...there u have got me , unless of coutse they are registered at another address. No all in all ai tnhink they may be doing the absentee owners a service...they will presumeably not what to trash the place or set fires there unlike your common or garden toerag burglar /vandal. An interesting legal case could they send a invoice to the owners that on say grounds of health and safety they are guardians of that property thereby keeping the cost of building insurance down....ie not having to claim for fire or water damage. All in all if i were stupid enough to have been conned into the glories of owning empty offices etc. i would be tempted to look for any occupant. Talking earlier of vacant properties i hope the council are spending our money on Compulsory purchase orders for the industrial properties at the end of cardiff road but also guarding them again pirates.......just a thought! We wouldnt want the Health campus delayed by a long drawn out legal wrangle over evicting undesireables would we ? bishopofwatford
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Wed 11 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Popeonarope wrote:
Watford squatters wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.
If people are genuinely homeless then they can approach the local authorities and get assistance through them. There is no need for what these people are doing which amongst other things is essentially theft by appropriating someones elses property without their consent.

The person above has pretty much admitted this is nothing to do with being in need and everything to do with twisting the system to their own benefits so give it up Pope you sad little person
[quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!![/p][/quote]Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.[/p][/quote]If people are genuinely homeless then they can approach the local authorities and get assistance through them. There is no need for what these people are doing which amongst other things is essentially theft by appropriating someones elses property without their consent. The person above has pretty much admitted this is nothing to do with being in need and everything to do with twisting the system to their own benefits so give it up Pope you sad little person garston tony
  • Score: 2

8:44pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Popeonarope says...

garston tony wrote:
Popeonarope wrote:
Watford squatters wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.
If people are genuinely homeless then they can approach the local authorities and get assistance through them. There is no need for what these people are doing which amongst other things is essentially theft by appropriating someones elses property without their consent.

The person above has pretty much admitted this is nothing to do with being in need and everything to do with twisting the system to their own benefits so give it up Pope you sad little person
I currently work in Deptford SE1 - It is a poor deprived area that the East End Regeneration didnt quite reach. There are people there who squat in some properties i would not keep animals in because they have lost their homes for reasons that are entirely to do with the problems with the economy.
They have families including young children and some of them have illnesses due to the state of the properties they have been forced to live in. I spoke to two people today who squat in a property next to the canal pipe bridge i was working on. They cannot afford to rent; there are no houses available in the area they need so they can look after elderly relatives and their daughter goes to a local school.
So they squat because they have no choice. Im sure they would like a nice clean comfortable council flat/house if there was one available.

You have continually espoused the virtues of your christian faith for so long now that i actually thought you would show compassion or at least an understanding that there is genuine hardship in this country for those who are not as fortunate as us.
Your faith, i thought was based on love, charity, compassion and understanding for your fellow man. Now i can see like so many of your ilk these are only words for when your trying to fool people into thinking your a decent human being. I think you are confused as to who is the sad little person.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!![/p][/quote]Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.[/p][/quote]If people are genuinely homeless then they can approach the local authorities and get assistance through them. There is no need for what these people are doing which amongst other things is essentially theft by appropriating someones elses property without their consent. The person above has pretty much admitted this is nothing to do with being in need and everything to do with twisting the system to their own benefits so give it up Pope you sad little person[/p][/quote]I currently work in Deptford SE1 - It is a poor deprived area that the East End Regeneration didnt quite reach. There are people there who squat in some properties i would not keep animals in because they have lost their homes for reasons that are entirely to do with the problems with the economy. They have families including young children and some of them have illnesses due to the state of the properties they have been forced to live in. I spoke to two people today who squat in a property next to the canal pipe bridge i was working on. They cannot afford to rent; there are no houses available in the area they need so they can look after elderly relatives and their daughter goes to a local school. So they squat because they have no choice. Im sure they would like a nice clean comfortable council flat/house if there was one available. You have continually espoused the virtues of your christian faith for so long now that i actually thought you would show compassion or at least an understanding that there is genuine hardship in this country for those who are not as fortunate as us. Your faith, i thought was based on love, charity, compassion and understanding for your fellow man. Now i can see like so many of your ilk these are only words for when your trying to fool people into thinking your a decent human being. I think you are confused as to who is the sad little person. Popeonarope
  • Score: 6

2:09am Thu 12 Jun 14

bishopofwatford says...

Popeonarope wrote:
garston tony wrote:
Popeonarope wrote:
Watford squatters wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by callingHere here ....i too am fed up with sanctimonious , blue rinsed christians

Preaching at us poor unbelievers and infidels.

The issue for what ever sky fairy you want to believe in must surely be " treat

Others as you would wish to be treated".

Sympathy of some peaples lot in life does not cost anything , preaching

Claptrap and superstitious nonsense is dangerous because that only leads to

" my god is better than your god " scenario.
[quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by callingHere here ....i too am fed up with sanctimonious , blue rinsed christians Preaching at us poor unbelievers and infidels. The issue for what ever sky fairy you want to believe in must surely be " treat Others as you would wish to be treated". Sympathy of some peaples lot in life does not cost anything , preaching Claptrap and superstitious nonsense is dangerous because that only leads to " my god is better than your god " scenario. bishopofwatford
  • Score: -1

8:29pm Sun 15 Jun 14

JonBoy says...

TRT wrote:
I believe the pressure on housing and land as a result of commercial squatting (i.e. holding empty premises as part of a more tax-efficient portfolio), the price of housing, the poor quality of existing housing stock in the low rent sector and general homelessness is the most pressing matter on the social agenda, bar none.

I just hope that when they are forced to leave through legal means, that they leave the property as clean, tidy and soil-free as it was when they found it. Failing to do so gives protestors of this kind a bad name. Unless they aren't protesting and are simply a bunch of chancers living an alternate lifestyle regardless of the cost to individuals and society. I mean, if the police are called in to enforce an eviction notice, the council tax payers of Hertfordshire will be the ones footing the bill.
Since you were patronising the squatter:

Proper nouns and adjectives derived from proper nouns should be capitalised.

council tax should be Council Tax.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: I believe the pressure on housing and land as a result of commercial squatting (i.e. holding empty premises as part of a more tax-efficient portfolio), the price of housing, the poor quality of existing housing stock in the low rent sector and general homelessness is the most pressing matter on the social agenda, bar none. I just hope that when they are forced to leave through legal means, that they leave the property as clean, tidy and soil-free as it was when they found it. Failing to do so gives protestors of this kind a bad name. Unless they aren't protesting and are simply a bunch of chancers living an alternate lifestyle regardless of the cost to individuals and society. I mean, if the police are called in to enforce an eviction notice, the council tax payers of Hertfordshire will be the ones footing the bill.[/p][/quote]Since you were patronising the squatter: Proper nouns and adjectives derived from proper nouns should be capitalised. council tax should be Council Tax. JonBoy
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Sun 15 Jun 14

TRT says...

JonBoy wrote:
TRT wrote:
I believe the pressure on housing and land as a result of commercial squatting (i.e. holding empty premises as part of a more tax-efficient portfolio), the price of housing, the poor quality of existing housing stock in the low rent sector and general homelessness is the most pressing matter on the social agenda, bar none.

I just hope that when they are forced to leave through legal means, that they leave the property as clean, tidy and soil-free as it was when they found it. Failing to do so gives protestors of this kind a bad name. Unless they aren't protesting and are simply a bunch of chancers living an alternate lifestyle regardless of the cost to individuals and society. I mean, if the police are called in to enforce an eviction notice, the council tax payers of Hertfordshire will be the ones footing the bill.
Since you were patronising the squatter:

Proper nouns and adjectives derived from proper nouns should be capitalised.

council tax should be Council Tax.
You are quite right about Council Tax. However you are wrong in saying that I was patronising. By the way, you missed a capital letter yourself.
[quote][p][bold]JonBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: I believe the pressure on housing and land as a result of commercial squatting (i.e. holding empty premises as part of a more tax-efficient portfolio), the price of housing, the poor quality of existing housing stock in the low rent sector and general homelessness is the most pressing matter on the social agenda, bar none. I just hope that when they are forced to leave through legal means, that they leave the property as clean, tidy and soil-free as it was when they found it. Failing to do so gives protestors of this kind a bad name. Unless they aren't protesting and are simply a bunch of chancers living an alternate lifestyle regardless of the cost to individuals and society. I mean, if the police are called in to enforce an eviction notice, the council tax payers of Hertfordshire will be the ones footing the bill.[/p][/quote]Since you were patronising the squatter: Proper nouns and adjectives derived from proper nouns should be capitalised. council tax should be Council Tax.[/p][/quote]You are quite right about Council Tax. However you are wrong in saying that I was patronising. By the way, you missed a capital letter yourself. TRT
  • Score: 1

8:48am Mon 16 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Popeonarope wrote:
garston tony wrote:
Popeonarope wrote:
Watford squatters wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!!
Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.
If people are genuinely homeless then they can approach the local authorities and get assistance through them. There is no need for what these people are doing which amongst other things is essentially theft by appropriating someones elses property without their consent. The person above has pretty much admitted this is nothing to do with being in need and everything to do with twisting the system to their own benefits so give it up Pope you sad little person
I currently work in Deptford SE1 - It is a poor deprived area that the East End Regeneration didnt quite reach. There are people there who squat in some properties i would not keep animals in because they have lost their homes for reasons that are entirely to do with the problems with the economy. They have families including young children and some of them have illnesses due to the state of the properties they have been forced to live in. I spoke to two people today who squat in a property next to the canal pipe bridge i was working on. They cannot afford to rent; there are no houses available in the area they need so they can look after elderly relatives and their daughter goes to a local school. So they squat because they have no choice. Im sure they would like a nice clean comfortable council flat/house if there was one available. You have continually espoused the virtues of your christian faith for so long now that i actually thought you would show compassion or at least an understanding that there is genuine hardship in this country for those who are not as fortunate as us. Your faith, i thought was based on love, charity, compassion and understanding for your fellow man. Now i can see like so many of your ilk these are only words for when your trying to fool people into thinking your a decent human being. I think you are confused as to who is the sad little person.
Pope, the squatter has admitted they are not doing this because of economic hardship but because it means they can 'thrive' in life.

Yes some people are genuinly homeless and some of those people squat and I will say it again they can get assistance through local authorities. The examples you gave are of people that could have taken that assistance but who chose not to because the location it was being offered didnt suit them, no it is not great that they are squatting but once again it is a decision they have made because they have put other needs/wants above housing ie wanting to be close to a relative.

The system is not perfect but there is no need for anyone to be genuinly homeless, in my 25+ years of working with people with housing issues the only people I have met who the system could not help were those that would not let the system help them.

So once again Pope you can do one with your pathetic, ignorant comments
[quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by calling 07833685731 and I'm sure we could help you out! And as response to the 'Eastern European' comment, don't be such a racist biggot :) if anyone has a problem please come and visit us at our humble abode .. Thank you .. The Watford squatters !!!![/p][/quote]Fantastic, you go for it! I may pop in for a cup of tea :o) Tony, how very unchristian of you... though I'm not surprised by your duplicity. TRT.. Its very sad to resort to spelling issues when you're unable to think of a reply... makes you look like a d!ckhead.[/p][/quote]If people are genuinely homeless then they can approach the local authorities and get assistance through them. There is no need for what these people are doing which amongst other things is essentially theft by appropriating someones elses property without their consent. The person above has pretty much admitted this is nothing to do with being in need and everything to do with twisting the system to their own benefits so give it up Pope you sad little person[/p][/quote]I currently work in Deptford SE1 - It is a poor deprived area that the East End Regeneration didnt quite reach. There are people there who squat in some properties i would not keep animals in because they have lost their homes for reasons that are entirely to do with the problems with the economy. They have families including young children and some of them have illnesses due to the state of the properties they have been forced to live in. I spoke to two people today who squat in a property next to the canal pipe bridge i was working on. They cannot afford to rent; there are no houses available in the area they need so they can look after elderly relatives and their daughter goes to a local school. So they squat because they have no choice. Im sure they would like a nice clean comfortable council flat/house if there was one available. You have continually espoused the virtues of your christian faith for so long now that i actually thought you would show compassion or at least an understanding that there is genuine hardship in this country for those who are not as fortunate as us. Your faith, i thought was based on love, charity, compassion and understanding for your fellow man. Now i can see like so many of your ilk these are only words for when your trying to fool people into thinking your a decent human being. I think you are confused as to who is the sad little person.[/p][/quote]Pope, the squatter has admitted they are not doing this because of economic hardship but because it means they can 'thrive' in life. Yes some people are genuinly homeless and some of those people squat and I will say it again they can get assistance through local authorities. The examples you gave are of people that could have taken that assistance but who chose not to because the location it was being offered didnt suit them, no it is not great that they are squatting but once again it is a decision they have made because they have put other needs/wants above housing ie wanting to be close to a relative. The system is not perfect but there is no need for anyone to be genuinly homeless, in my 25+ years of working with people with housing issues the only people I have met who the system could not help were those that would not let the system help them. So once again Pope you can do one with your pathetic, ignorant comments garston tony
  • Score: -1

9:01am Mon 16 Jun 14

garston tony says...

bishopofwatford wrote:
Popeonarope wrote: garston tony wrote: Popeonarope wrote: Watford squatters wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by callingHere here ....i too am fed up with sanctimonious , blue rinsed christians Preaching at us poor unbelievers and infidels. The issue for what ever sky fairy you want to believe in must surely be " treat Others as you would wish to be treated". Sympathy of some peaples lot in life does not cost anything , preaching Claptrap and superstitious nonsense is dangerous because that only leads to " my god is better than your god " scenario.Like Pope you seemed to have missed the point that these particular squatters have CHOSEN of their own free will to squat. They have not been forced into this but do so because they WANT to. Why do they need sympathy when they are doing precisely what they want?

As to treat others as you would like to be treated, well I personally wouldnt want anyone to break into a property that I own and take it over meaning that I am denied its use and have to go to the expense of going to court to get them out. Hence as I would not like someone squatting in a property I owned I would not squat in someone elses property.

And secondly I would point out again that people can get housing assistance through the local authority, there is no need to squat. If people do squat then they have chosen for one reason or another not to take the assistance that is available to them, and many squatters these ones included choose to squat because they want to.

What a couple of dumb **** you and Pope are, I would happily bet that if you went on holiday for a week and found someone squatting in your house when you got back (as has actually happened several times believe it or not in this very country in recent years) the fake sympathy you are showing now would evaporate immediately and you'd be bawling at the police trying to get the squatters out.

What a couple of hypocrites, and the chips on your shoulders are growing all the time. This story has nothing to do with religion yet you choose to bring it up, you really are a couple of pathetic specimens. Why dont you just crawl back under the rock you think you came from
[quote][p][bold]bishopofwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by callingHere here ....i too am fed up with sanctimonious , blue rinsed christians Preaching at us poor unbelievers and infidels. The issue for what ever sky fairy you want to believe in must surely be " treat Others as you would wish to be treated". Sympathy of some peaples lot in life does not cost anything , preaching Claptrap and superstitious nonsense is dangerous because that only leads to " my god is better than your god " scenario.[/p][/quote]Like Pope you seemed to have missed the point that these particular squatters have CHOSEN of their own free will to squat. They have not been forced into this but do so because they WANT to. Why do they need sympathy when they are doing precisely what they want? As to treat others as you would like to be treated, well I personally wouldnt want anyone to break into a property that I own and take it over meaning that I am denied its use and have to go to the expense of going to court to get them out. Hence as I would not like someone squatting in a property I owned I would not squat in someone elses property. And secondly I would point out again that people can get housing assistance through the local authority, there is no need to squat. If people do squat then they have chosen for one reason or another not to take the assistance that is available to them, and many squatters these ones included choose to squat because they want to. What a couple of dumb **** you and Pope are, I would happily bet that if you went on holiday for a week and found someone squatting in your house when you got back (as has actually happened several times believe it or not in this very country in recent years) the fake sympathy you are showing now would evaporate immediately and you'd be bawling at the police trying to get the squatters out. What a couple of hypocrites, and the chips on your shoulders are growing all the time. This story has nothing to do with religion yet you choose to bring it up, you really are a couple of pathetic specimens. Why dont you just crawl back under the rock you think you came from garston tony
  • Score: -2

9:31am Mon 16 Jun 14

bishopofwatford says...

garston tony wrote:
bishopofwatford wrote:
Popeonarope wrote: garston tony wrote: Popeonarope wrote: Watford squatters wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by callingHere here ....i too am fed up with sanctimonious , blue rinsed christians Preaching at us poor unbelievers and infidels. The issue for what ever sky fairy you want to believe in must surely be " treat Others as you would wish to be treated". Sympathy of some peaples lot in life does not cost anything , preaching Claptrap and superstitious nonsense is dangerous because that only leads to " my god is better than your god " scenario.Like Pope you seemed to have missed the point that these particular squatters have CHOSEN of their own free will to squat. They have not been forced into this but do so because they WANT to. Why do they need sympathy when they are doing precisely what they want?

As to treat others as you would like to be treated, well I personally wouldnt want anyone to break into a property that I own and take it over meaning that I am denied its use and have to go to the expense of going to court to get them out. Hence as I would not like someone squatting in a property I owned I would not squat in someone elses property.

And secondly I would point out again that people can get housing assistance through the local authority, there is no need to squat. If people do squat then they have chosen for one reason or another not to take the assistance that is available to them, and many squatters these ones included choose to squat because they want to.

What a couple of dumb **** you and Pope are, I would happily bet that if you went on holiday for a week and found someone squatting in your house when you got back (as has actually happened several times believe it or not in this very country in recent years) the fake sympathy you are showing now would evaporate immediately and you'd be bawling at the police trying to get the squatters out.

What a couple of hypocrites, and the chips on your shoulders are growing all the time. This story has nothing to do with religion yet you choose to bring it up, you really are a couple of pathetic specimens. Why dont you just crawl back under the rock you think you came fromHit a raw nerve there tony.......perhaps u should start thinking logically instead of resorting to insults when u are patently losing the arguement.

Lets go through in some sort of order unlike your thought processes.

If i went away and my home was squatted that is different it is an occupied residential unit not a business site....simple enough do u understand the difference.

Now then obviouslly with u religion is a crutch in your life fair enough but why
Do the churches for example open their doors and let homeless dwell there ...afterall they really are only parly utilised maybe a couple of hours each day or in most cases eachweek.

If they can not be christian enough to offer that succour then why dont they
Sell some of the vast amounts of land they own not just in this country but
Worldwide.

No ,tony ,wake up smell the coffee your way of thinking is doomed....
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bishopofwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popeonarope[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watford squatters[/bold] wrote: We are the Watford squatters your comments are pointless and your wasting your precious time! We are law abiding citizens with full time jobs, family's, children and thrive on achieving in life by any means nesacary ! We are abiding by the law and that is why we are still living there and will continue to live there untill the correct measures are taken to remove us! If there are any homeless that live in and around the Watford area please get in contact by callingHere here ....i too am fed up with sanctimonious , blue rinsed christians Preaching at us poor unbelievers and infidels. The issue for what ever sky fairy you want to believe in must surely be " treat Others as you would wish to be treated". Sympathy of some peaples lot in life does not cost anything , preaching Claptrap and superstitious nonsense is dangerous because that only leads to " my god is better than your god " scenario.[/p][/quote]Like Pope you seemed to have missed the point that these particular squatters have CHOSEN of their own free will to squat. They have not been forced into this but do so because they WANT to. Why do they need sympathy when they are doing precisely what they want? As to treat others as you would like to be treated, well I personally wouldnt want anyone to break into a property that I own and take it over meaning that I am denied its use and have to go to the expense of going to court to get them out. Hence as I would not like someone squatting in a property I owned I would not squat in someone elses property. And secondly I would point out again that people can get housing assistance through the local authority, there is no need to squat. If people do squat then they have chosen for one reason or another not to take the assistance that is available to them, and many squatters these ones included choose to squat because they want to. What a couple of dumb **** you and Pope are, I would happily bet that if you went on holiday for a week and found someone squatting in your house when you got back (as has actually happened several times believe it or not in this very country in recent years) the fake sympathy you are showing now would evaporate immediately and you'd be bawling at the police trying to get the squatters out. What a couple of hypocrites, and the chips on your shoulders are growing all the time. This story has nothing to do with religion yet you choose to bring it up, you really are a couple of pathetic specimens. Why dont you just crawl back under the rock you think you came from[/p][/quote]Hit a raw nerve there tony.......perhaps u should start thinking logically instead of resorting to insults when u are patently losing the arguement. Lets go through in some sort of order unlike your thought processes. If i went away and my home was squatted that is different it is an occupied residential unit not a business site....simple enough do u understand the difference. Now then obviouslly with u religion is a crutch in your life fair enough but why Do the churches for example open their doors and let homeless dwell there ...afterall they really are only parly utilised maybe a couple of hours each day or in most cases eachweek. If they can not be christian enough to offer that succour then why dont they Sell some of the vast amounts of land they own not just in this country but Worldwide. No ,tony ,wake up smell the coffee your way of thinking is doomed.... bishopofwatford
  • Score: -5

11:06am Mon 16 Jun 14

garston tony says...

BishopofIgnorant, even a most superficial google search would bring up a huge list of charitable acts carried out by churches and their members including amongst many many things helping homeless people.

this including suprise suprise (not) allowing people to sleep in churches and church halls, although not usually on more than a temporary emergency basis as most people (you being the exception it seems) can see that that a church would not be a suitable place to stay for any duration (especially the old churches, you know the cold often run down buildings). I know of people that have taken homeless people into their own homes and even have heard of landlords allowing people to stay in properties they own rent free.

As to vast amouts of land, my church and many like it rents the building it worships in as it can not afford a building of its own. Many other churches only own the building they worship in and there is only a small number that own any land so what the heck you are taking about only you know.

But thanks for showing everyone how pig ignorant you are. I would say shove your thoughts where the sun doesnt shine but its clear your thoughts never left that recess in the first place.
BishopofIgnorant, even a most superficial google search would bring up a huge list of charitable acts carried out by churches and their members including amongst many many things helping homeless people. this including suprise suprise (not) allowing people to sleep in churches and church halls, although not usually on more than a temporary emergency basis as most people (you being the exception it seems) can see that that a church would not be a suitable place to stay for any duration (especially the old churches, you know the cold often run down buildings). I know of people that have taken homeless people into their own homes and even have heard of landlords allowing people to stay in properties they own rent free. As to vast amouts of land, my church and many like it rents the building it worships in as it can not afford a building of its own. Many other churches only own the building they worship in and there is only a small number that own any land so what the heck you are taking about only you know. But thanks for showing everyone how pig ignorant you are. I would say shove your thoughts where the sun doesnt shine but its clear your thoughts never left that recess in the first place. garston tony
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Popeonarope says...

Why do you think squatting started? For example, those that fought in WW2 came back to appalling houses and protested until conditions were improved. But by your dismissive tantrum they were all scroungers and miscreants. Jeebus would not approve!

Sounds like you need more members Tony. Even with tax exemption your church is dying a slow death. Perhaps if the churches in general actually offered real answers instead of lies and stubborn belligerence you would be able to afford your own house of cards.
Charity is not the province of the churches alone. Much of the money donated in used for self promotion and propaganda. Your apologist bleating is transparent as usual..
" We have caused untold suffering with our lies and misinformation but thats okay because we spend a tiny amount of our untaxed capital on exactly what we were supposed to do..."
Those charitable acts are very useful for fooling desperate people into thinking the churches dont want something in return but we all know the truth.
Why do you think squatting started? For example, those that fought in WW2 came back to appalling houses and protested until conditions were improved. But by your dismissive tantrum they were all scroungers and miscreants. Jeebus would not approve! Sounds like you need more members Tony. Even with tax exemption your church is dying a slow death. Perhaps if the churches in general actually offered real answers instead of lies and stubborn belligerence you would be able to afford your own house of cards. Charity is not the province of the churches alone. Much of the money donated in used for self promotion and propaganda. Your apologist bleating is transparent as usual.. " We have caused untold suffering with our lies and misinformation but thats okay because we spend a tiny amount of our untaxed capital on exactly what we were supposed to do..." Those charitable acts are very useful for fooling desperate people into thinking the churches dont want something in return but we all know the truth. Popeonarope
  • Score: 3

7:10pm Mon 16 Jun 14

bishopofwatford says...

garston tony wrote:
BishopofIgnorant, even a most superficial google search would bring up a huge list of charitable acts carried out by churches and their members including amongst many many things helping homeless people.

this including suprise suprise (not) allowing people to sleep in churches and church halls, although not usually on more than a temporary emergency basis as most people (you being the exception it seems) can see that that a church would not be a suitable place to stay for any duration (especially the old churches, you know the cold often run down buildings). I know of people that have taken homeless people into their own homes and even have heard of landlords allowing people to stay in properties they own rent free.

As to vast amouts of land, my church and many like it rents the building it worships in as it can not afford a building of its own. Many other churches only own the building they worship in and there is only a small number that own any land so what the heck you are taking about only you know.

But thanks for showing everyone how pig ignorant you are. I would say shove your thoughts where the sun doesnt shine but its clear your thoughts never left that recess in the first place.
Your church is pleading poverty because it is dying and unlike your gullible self deluded members will not be resurected!

Dont make me laugh about the charitable acts carried out in christian works , try telling that to the untold millions of sou th americans and african you christian dogooders killed by introducing measles , small pox and venereal disease to the socalled god less heathens.

Your self righteous ,pompous spouting s and insults fool no one ...not even yourself if you are honest for once in you life!

Keep worshipping your sky fairy and using your religion as a crutch because
You are in for an extremely rude awakening at the end of this existence.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: BishopofIgnorant, even a most superficial google search would bring up a huge list of charitable acts carried out by churches and their members including amongst many many things helping homeless people. this including suprise suprise (not) allowing people to sleep in churches and church halls, although not usually on more than a temporary emergency basis as most people (you being the exception it seems) can see that that a church would not be a suitable place to stay for any duration (especially the old churches, you know the cold often run down buildings). I know of people that have taken homeless people into their own homes and even have heard of landlords allowing people to stay in properties they own rent free. As to vast amouts of land, my church and many like it rents the building it worships in as it can not afford a building of its own. Many other churches only own the building they worship in and there is only a small number that own any land so what the heck you are taking about only you know. But thanks for showing everyone how pig ignorant you are. I would say shove your thoughts where the sun doesnt shine but its clear your thoughts never left that recess in the first place.[/p][/quote]Your church is pleading poverty because it is dying and unlike your gullible self deluded members will not be resurected! Dont make me laugh about the charitable acts carried out in christian works , try telling that to the untold millions of sou th americans and african you christian dogooders killed by introducing measles , small pox and venereal disease to the socalled god less heathens. Your self righteous ,pompous spouting s and insults fool no one ...not even yourself if you are honest for once in you life! Keep worshipping your sky fairy and using your religion as a crutch because You are in for an extremely rude awakening at the end of this existence. bishopofwatford
  • Score: 1

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