Pictures: compare the new Watford pond with its former self

Watford Observer: After After

People in Watford got their first proper look at the new pond this week as its make-over was completed as part of the £4.3 million town centre regeneration scheme.

The water feature has emerged from months of building works with a new bridge, steps leading down to its water, new foliage, and a new water filtration system.

The old pond must be little more than a distant memory to shoppers and residents in the town.

However here are pictures of the old pond so you can see how the new model compares to its former self.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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All that remains to be seen now is if Hannibal the Heron and the ducks can be tempted to return.

 

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5:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

John Howard Norfolk says...

The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?
The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please? John Howard Norfolk
  • Score: 39

5:58pm Tue 17 Jun 14

E.Coli says...

John Howard Norfolk wrote:
The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?
Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.
[quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?[/p][/quote]Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys. E.Coli
  • Score: -4

6:29pm Tue 17 Jun 14

hessayon says...

Is that graffiti on the bridge decking, in the last picture ? Oh dearie me !
Is that graffiti on the bridge decking, in the last picture ? Oh dearie me ! hessayon
  • Score: 6

6:59pm Tue 17 Jun 14

sheikhwaz says...

Just watch the pond area on Friday/ Saturday nights, you will find all sorts of things in there.
I wouldn't be surprised to see drunks urinating in there, like they do in all parts of the town centre.
Just watch the pond area on Friday/ Saturday nights, you will find all sorts of things in there. I wouldn't be surprised to see drunks urinating in there, like they do in all parts of the town centre. sheikhwaz
  • Score: 13

7:00pm Tue 17 Jun 14

sheikhwaz says...

What a waste of money ! God knows how long it took them , end result rubbish !
What a waste of money ! God knows how long it took them , end result rubbish ! sheikhwaz
  • Score: 10

7:11pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Hertsboy says...

Looks like a storm drain
Looks like a storm drain Hertsboy
  • Score: 11

7:21pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Dino1982 says...

Its not exactly spectacular!!! Looks boring a only a slightly cleaner end result of the previous pond!.

How much did it cost and how long!!!!!

Enough said!
Its not exactly spectacular!!! Looks boring a only a slightly cleaner end result of the previous pond!. How much did it cost and how long!!!!! Enough said! Dino1982
  • Score: 21

8:13pm Tue 17 Jun 14

WatfordAlex says...

E.Coli wrote:
John Howard Norfolk wrote:
The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?
Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.
As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit!
[quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?[/p][/quote]Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.[/p][/quote]As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit! WatfordAlex
  • Score: 21

8:19pm Tue 17 Jun 14

WatfordAlex says...

As someone with no talent whatsoever for photography, i'm not one to judge, but the photos don't do it justice. The pictures make the water in the 'after' shots look dirtier than in the 'before'!

Having just had a look, there isn't any graffiti on the bridge, so either it has been cleaned off or it is shadows from the trees etc.

Taken as a whole, the street looks good. The shared space is certainly better for cyclist/pedestrian movement.
As someone with no talent whatsoever for photography, i'm not one to judge, but the photos don't do it justice. The pictures make the water in the 'after' shots look dirtier than in the 'before'! Having just had a look, there isn't any graffiti on the bridge, so either it has been cleaned off or it is shadows from the trees etc. Taken as a whole, the street looks good. The shared space is certainly better for cyclist/pedestrian movement. WatfordAlex
  • Score: 19

8:20pm Tue 17 Jun 14

D.unstable says...

Absolutely rubbish, about £430 better than the last concrete effort, but was so much better 50 years ago. May as well cleaned tho old one up with a power washer.

As with the majority of Watford designs they are ruining the town for good. Somebody needs to be sacked for this latest waste of tax payers money.
Absolutely rubbish, about £430 better than the last concrete effort, but was so much better 50 years ago. May as well cleaned tho old one up with a power washer. As with the majority of Watford designs they are ruining the town for good. Somebody needs to be sacked for this latest waste of tax payers money. D.unstable
  • Score: 5

10:14pm Tue 17 Jun 14

watford1881 says...

It will only be nicer if the hawk man works to get rid of the pigeon problem & money is spent for its upkeep.. It will take a bit of getting used to.. By the way I'm a resident of the pond end of the town..
It will only be nicer if the hawk man works to get rid of the pigeon problem & money is spent for its upkeep.. It will take a bit of getting used to.. By the way I'm a resident of the pond end of the town.. watford1881
  • Score: 4

10:15pm Tue 17 Jun 14

E.Coli says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
E.Coli wrote:
John Howard Norfolk wrote:
The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?
Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.
As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit!
what has that got to do with hating Watford ? It's good to see care in the community is working well in your case.
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?[/p][/quote]Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.[/p][/quote]As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit![/p][/quote]what has that got to do with hating Watford ? It's good to see care in the community is working well in your case. E.Coli
  • Score: -21

10:32pm Tue 17 Jun 14

WatfordAlex says...

E.Coli wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
E.Coli wrote:
John Howard Norfolk wrote:
The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?
Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.
As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit!
what has that got to do with hating Watford ? It's good to see care in the community is working well in your case.
I'd have thought it was blindingly obvious why I made the comment about you hating Watford. Your one of those inspirational people who read a story about something in this town and say: 'im going to go to the bother of logging into this website just so I can slag it off'. It's just really boring - hence why you have so many people voting your original comment down.

By the way, really classy to make light of mental illness.
[quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?[/p][/quote]Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.[/p][/quote]As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit![/p][/quote]what has that got to do with hating Watford ? It's good to see care in the community is working well in your case.[/p][/quote]I'd have thought it was blindingly obvious why I made the comment about you hating Watford. Your one of those inspirational people who read a story about something in this town and say: 'im going to go to the bother of logging into this website just so I can slag it off'. It's just really boring - hence why you have so many people voting your original comment down. By the way, really classy to make light of mental illness. WatfordAlex
  • Score: 9

10:38pm Tue 17 Jun 14

WatfordAlex says...

D.unstable wrote:
Absolutely rubbish, about £430 better than the last concrete effort, but was so much better 50 years ago. May as well cleaned tho old one up with a power washer.

As with the majority of Watford designs they are ruining the town for good. Somebody needs to be sacked for this latest waste of tax payers money.
'..ruining the town for good'. No hyperbole here then. They haven't filled the pond with nuclear waste FFS...
[quote][p][bold]D.unstable[/bold] wrote: Absolutely rubbish, about £430 better than the last concrete effort, but was so much better 50 years ago. May as well cleaned tho old one up with a power washer. As with the majority of Watford designs they are ruining the town for good. Somebody needs to be sacked for this latest waste of tax payers money.[/p][/quote]'..ruining the town for good'. No hyperbole here then. They haven't filled the pond with nuclear waste FFS... WatfordAlex
  • Score: 13

11:21pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

Personally I think spending £225,000 on the bridge over the pond was an extravagant use of money. But I think the pond and rest of the scheme can only be fairly judged after 12 months. The pond always looked its best in late spring and summer, and it is too late now to establish the plants and aquatic environment to make a judgement on the pond itself. Like the majority of visitors to the town centre I won't see the pond. I don't shop at sainsburys and only occasionally venture to they Nationwide building society. So the area and it's refurbishment is rather academic. I understand the rational of change is to spread footfall and economic activity through using the space for events. Again you need time to see if this idea works. Charter Place redevelopment is far more important for the economic health of the town centre. For that reason I think the money spent on the top of the town would have generated more economic gain if it had been spent on improving Market Street; Queens Road and a scheme to get buses running bi directionally between Clarendon road and high street station.
Personally I think spending £225,000 on the bridge over the pond was an extravagant use of money. But I think the pond and rest of the scheme can only be fairly judged after 12 months. The pond always looked its best in late spring and summer, and it is too late now to establish the plants and aquatic environment to make a judgement on the pond itself. Like the majority of visitors to the town centre I won't see the pond. I don't shop at sainsburys and only occasionally venture to they Nationwide building society. So the area and it's refurbishment is rather academic. I understand the rational of change is to spread footfall and economic activity through using the space for events. Again you need time to see if this idea works. Charter Place redevelopment is far more important for the economic health of the town centre. For that reason I think the money spent on the top of the town would have generated more economic gain if it had been spent on improving Market Street; Queens Road and a scheme to get buses running bi directionally between Clarendon road and high street station. Andrew1963
  • Score: 8

1:07am Wed 18 Jun 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

If anyone disagrees with the LibDems and what they do they should leave Watford according to WatfordAlex.

What are they, the Taliban?
If anyone disagrees with the LibDems and what they do they should leave Watford according to WatfordAlex. What are they, the Taliban? Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: -28

6:33am Wed 18 Jun 14

E.Coli says...

WatfordAlex wrote:
E.Coli wrote:
WatfordAlex wrote:
E.Coli wrote:
John Howard Norfolk wrote:
The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?
Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.
As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit!
what has that got to do with hating Watford ? It's good to see care in the community is working well in your case.
I'd have thought it was blindingly obvious why I made the comment about you hating Watford. Your one of those inspirational people who read a story about something in this town and say: 'im going to go to the bother of logging into this website just so I can slag it off'. It's just really boring - hence why you have so many people voting your original comment down.

By the way, really classy to make light of mental illness.
you ****
[quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WatfordAlex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.Coli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Howard Norfolk[/bold] wrote: The new pond is very attractive but can we stop folks throwing their lager cans in the water please?[/p][/quote]Give it one month and it will look like the before pictures,the council have brought in 500 empty cans to put in the new pool and some shopping trolleys.[/p][/quote]As the old line goes: if you hate this town so much, why don't you just move away? I have never seen a shopping trolley in the pond. Watford is hardly Detroit![/p][/quote]what has that got to do with hating Watford ? It's good to see care in the community is working well in your case.[/p][/quote]I'd have thought it was blindingly obvious why I made the comment about you hating Watford. Your one of those inspirational people who read a story about something in this town and say: 'im going to go to the bother of logging into this website just so I can slag it off'. It's just really boring - hence why you have so many people voting your original comment down. By the way, really classy to make light of mental illness.[/p][/quote]you **** E.Coli
  • Score: -25

8:56am Wed 18 Jun 14

UkipTed says...

I cannot believe voted for Dotty and her dodgy schemes such as this pond when we could have had a proper Mayor like David Penn, he would have shaken things up and not wasted all the money on stupid ponds, public sector workers and the health campus.
I cannot believe voted for Dotty and her dodgy schemes such as this pond when we could have had a proper Mayor like David Penn, he would have shaken things up and not wasted all the money on stupid ponds, public sector workers and the health campus. UkipTed
  • Score: -14

9:21am Wed 18 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

What's happened to the ducks?
What's happened to the ducks? Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 6

9:35am Wed 18 Jun 14

TRT says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
What's happened to the ducks?
Scared away by the hawk.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: What's happened to the ducks?[/p][/quote]Scared away by the hawk. TRT
  • Score: 6

10:52am Wed 18 Jun 14

Retlas says...

UkipTed wrote:
I cannot believe voted for Dotty and her dodgy schemes such as this pond when we could have had a proper Mayor like David Penn, he would have shaken things up and not wasted all the money on stupid ponds, public sector workers and the health campus.
I think you'll find David Penn wasn't standing - it was Phil Cox and neither could have stopped the developement as it was virtually finished.

But hey ho!!
[quote][p][bold]UkipTed[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe voted for Dotty and her dodgy schemes such as this pond when we could have had a proper Mayor like David Penn, he would have shaken things up and not wasted all the money on stupid ponds, public sector workers and the health campus.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find David Penn wasn't standing - it was Phil Cox and neither could have stopped the developement as it was virtually finished. But hey ho!! Retlas
  • Score: 1

11:00am Wed 18 Jun 14

UkipTed says...

Yes sorry Retlas I missed out missed our Mr Cox, it was a joint ticket it seemed, both would have stopped this ridiculous pond and hospital development.

Lets hope Cox and Penn run for election to Westminster and shake things up a bit.
Yes sorry Retlas I missed out missed our Mr Cox, it was a joint ticket it seemed, both would have stopped this ridiculous pond and hospital development. Lets hope Cox and Penn run for election to Westminster and shake things up a bit. UkipTed
  • Score: -12

12:38pm Wed 18 Jun 14

LocalBoy1 says...

I can't see where £4.3 million has gone?? The pond has always looked a mess since I moved to Watford in the 70's. It even had fish in I once. Tax payers money will be used to keep removing the inevitable rubbish that will collect...... Sorry Dotty, it is wasted money and a lot of it. The pond should have been filled in years ago!
I can't see where £4.3 million has gone?? The pond has always looked a mess since I moved to Watford in the 70's. It even had fish in I once. Tax payers money will be used to keep removing the inevitable rubbish that will collect...... Sorry Dotty, it is wasted money and a lot of it. The pond should have been filled in years ago! LocalBoy1
  • Score: -9

12:45pm Wed 18 Jun 14

LocalBoy1 says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
What's happened to the ducks?
No good putting ducks in the pond Roy, they will end up in some ones "Take Away" ....... duck a l'orange anyone?
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: What's happened to the ducks?[/p][/quote]No good putting ducks in the pond Roy, they will end up in some ones "Take Away" ....... duck a l'orange anyone? LocalBoy1
  • Score: -7

1:13pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Watfordengineer says...

sheikhwaz wrote:
What a waste of money ! God knows how long it took them , end result rubbish !
I will have to walk down and take a look.
I think it makes it look more of a vibrant space. Although I hope the police were consulted on the design as I can see the steps down to the pond being a problem.

Had this work not been done I think we would be complaining about how tired the top of town has become. so I think it is the right thing to have done. there are a few thousand west herts college students who will hopefully enjoy the new layout.
[quote][p][bold]sheikhwaz[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money ! God knows how long it took them , end result rubbish ![/p][/quote]I will have to walk down and take a look. I think it makes it look more of a vibrant space. Although I hope the police were consulted on the design as I can see the steps down to the pond being a problem. Had this work not been done I think we would be complaining about how tired the top of town has become. so I think it is the right thing to have done. there are a few thousand west herts college students who will hopefully enjoy the new layout. Watfordengineer
  • Score: 6

2:16pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Mooneyman says...

Surely those steps down to the pond are an accident waiting to happen?
Surely those steps down to the pond are an accident waiting to happen? Mooneyman
  • Score: 10

2:27pm Wed 18 Jun 14

LocalBoy1 says...

Mooneyman wrote:
Surely those steps down to the pond are an accident waiting to happen?
It is if you have just come out of one of the bars after a nights drinking and you're not quite sure which way is home...):):)):)
[quote][p][bold]Mooneyman[/bold] wrote: Surely those steps down to the pond are an accident waiting to happen?[/p][/quote]It is if you have just come out of one of the bars after a nights drinking and you're not quite sure which way is home...):):)):) LocalBoy1
  • Score: -4

3:46pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

Mooneyman wrote:
Surely those steps down to the pond are an accident waiting to happen?
Yep there will be yellow paint all over them soon, to help people notice the break in level. I have not looked at it yet, but it seems you could have left out the bridge without affecting the main aims
[quote][p][bold]Mooneyman[/bold] wrote: Surely those steps down to the pond are an accident waiting to happen?[/p][/quote]Yep there will be yellow paint all over them soon, to help people notice the break in level. I have not looked at it yet, but it seems you could have left out the bridge without affecting the main aims Andrew1963
  • Score: -5

4:08pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Popeonarope says...

Are there any fountains or waterfalls in the new design? What did the final cost come in at, £4.3 Million? I would expect to see a bit more for the money to be honest. Looks okay, just a bit pricey.
Are there any fountains or waterfalls in the new design? What did the final cost come in at, £4.3 Million? I would expect to see a bit more for the money to be honest. Looks okay, just a bit pricey. Popeonarope
  • Score: 0

7:36pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Wacko Jacko says...

I hope all of the commentators will take the trouble to go to Imagine Watford which kicks off on Friday, to see the new top of the town being used as intended. I think it will prove to be a great backdrop to the performances. The whole scheme looks very impressive and will do a lot to attract new businesses tot his end of town
I hope all of the commentators will take the trouble to go to Imagine Watford which kicks off on Friday, to see the new top of the town being used as intended. I think it will prove to be a great backdrop to the performances. The whole scheme looks very impressive and will do a lot to attract new businesses tot his end of town Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 3

7:42pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Surely part of the whole appeal of a pond is to attract wildlife to the centre of a town? No ducks, no fish, no birds? Doesn't seem right somehow.
Surely part of the whole appeal of a pond is to attract wildlife to the centre of a town? No ducks, no fish, no birds? Doesn't seem right somehow. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 3

8:05pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Thrower says...

What a happy bunch of people that we have in the town. The town has been smartened up and the new pond looks OK. the refurbishment in total cost £4.3 million from the bottom of the town to the top. Roy the ducks are back and fish will eventually return.
What a happy bunch of people that we have in the town. The town has been smartened up and the new pond looks OK. the refurbishment in total cost £4.3 million from the bottom of the town to the top. Roy the ducks are back and fish will eventually return. Thrower
  • Score: 3

11:51pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Andrew1963 says...

£4,300,000 from Town Hall subway to junction of the Parade with Clarendon Road. So not the top if the town to the bottom. The busiest and most important section for jobs and town centre vitality is the High street between Clarendon road and Water Lane, that's why investment in a Market Street and Queens Road would build on that area of the town centre. The Parade was fine as it was, but I understand why they wanted to change it. But the capital investment won't work without a lot of annual spend supporting events. Not sure a spend on a Christmas ice rink and a few summer arts events will generate the economic growth to justify the spend. However town centres are changing rapidly, and you need a strategy that evolves from the old view that every town centre will be basically dominated by shopping. The pedestrianised High Street was a vision based on huge numbers of people shopping in a concentrated area. Retail has changed dramatically in ,
Last 10 years and town centres need to adapt. This investment is part of that change. However the key issue to address is accessibility. With all the public transport by passing the Parade (trains serve the area below the Harlequin), and buses go around the ring road to Watford Jct, the parade has little passing trade, so it has evolved as a destination serving the evening economy.
£4,300,000 from Town Hall subway to junction of the Parade with Clarendon Road. So not the top if the town to the bottom. The busiest and most important section for jobs and town centre vitality is the High street between Clarendon road and Water Lane, that's why investment in a Market Street and Queens Road would build on that area of the town centre. The Parade was fine as it was, but I understand why they wanted to change it. But the capital investment won't work without a lot of annual spend supporting events. Not sure a spend on a Christmas ice rink and a few summer arts events will generate the economic growth to justify the spend. However town centres are changing rapidly, and you need a strategy that evolves from the old view that every town centre will be basically dominated by shopping. The pedestrianised High Street was a vision based on huge numbers of people shopping in a concentrated area. Retail has changed dramatically in , Last 10 years and town centres need to adapt. This investment is part of that change. However the key issue to address is accessibility. With all the public transport by passing the Parade (trains serve the area below the Harlequin), and buses go around the ring road to Watford Jct, the parade has little passing trade, so it has evolved as a destination serving the evening economy. Andrew1963
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Fri 20 Jun 14

#UKMum says...

Steps down to the pond. Yes like the Spanish Steps and Water Grasses at Watford Wealth Campus. No handrails in site and supposedly hospital patients with crutches trying to negotiate them. Great!
Steps down to the pond. Yes like the Spanish Steps and Water Grasses at Watford Wealth Campus. No handrails in site and supposedly hospital patients with crutches trying to negotiate them. Great! #UKMum
  • Score: -1

10:44pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Sec.andTreasurer says...

So the Dorothy Thornhill Memorial Bridge is open to traffic. The booze hounds out of Oceana, etc., can now make an ever bigger splash when they fall in the pond!
So the Dorothy Thornhill Memorial Bridge is open to traffic. The booze hounds out of Oceana, etc., can now make an ever bigger splash when they fall in the pond! Sec.andTreasurer
  • Score: 0

11:37am Sun 22 Jun 14

david T G says...

I understand that the development came in well over budget- nearer £5m!

Has a contingency fund been set up to pay all the compensation claims that will be made after the falls caused by falling over the the trip hazards around the pond, falling in to the pond and slipping on the wet decking of the bridge?

The lack of a cycle lane will cause many arguments- or worse!

I hope that the result will be a rise in the economic future of the parade but, like the new position of the market, it seems that the end result was wanted by dotty Dotty and she was going to get her own way, whatever the research indicated.

I agree with the poster who said a pressure wash would have been a better and more economic use of OUR funds in these austere times.

But those who decide seem to believe it is their money to do with as they please.

By the way, what was the breakdown of the costs, anyone?
I understand that the development came in well over budget- nearer £5m! Has a contingency fund been set up to pay all the compensation claims that will be made after the falls caused by falling over the the trip hazards around the pond, falling in to the pond and slipping on the wet decking of the bridge? The lack of a cycle lane will cause many arguments- or worse! I hope that the result will be a rise in the economic future of the parade but, like the new position of the market, it seems that the end result was wanted by dotty Dotty and she was going to get her own way, whatever the research indicated. I agree with the poster who said a pressure wash would have been a better and more economic use of OUR funds in these austere times. But those who decide seem to believe it is their money to do with as they please. By the way, what was the breakdown of the costs, anyone? david T G
  • Score: 0

2:18pm Sun 22 Jun 14

HertsPeter says...

A huge waste of OUR money, as is having an elected Mayor. It would be great if someone stood as a candidate and promise to abolish the post if elected... what do you think to that, LibDemLovers? (I'm not holding my breath for a reply!)
A huge waste of OUR money, as is having an elected Mayor. It would be great if someone stood as a candidate and promise to abolish the post if elected... what do you think to that, LibDemLovers? (I'm not holding my breath for a reply!) HertsPeter
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Thrower says...

I honestly do not understand why the town councillors and the employees make an effort to brighten up the town and to try and rejuvenate the Town centre.
Return on capital invested! obviously an accountant or someone who reads big newspapers. Why can we not have some features in our town with out the accountants and pseudo-politicians always grumbling or making wise cracks. You obviously do not have an ounce of imagination amongst the lot of you and I find it extremely sad that so many of you keep on about Dorothy and everything she does is wrong, it is better to do something and get it some of it wrong than to sit on your bums all day moaning. If we had some councillors with imagination during in 1927 we could have had Watford central railway station in the parade.
We have many school choirs, drama groups, musicians plus many more local groups that would love the opportunity to show off their talents to the good folks of Watford. Would it rejuvenate the top of the town of the town? yes I think it would do if we get a wide range of entertainment on, this would help the existing shops, wine bar etc and would entice new people to set up shop. As for everyone keeping on about little children falling in and drunks losing their way and walking into the pond, So who is to blame?the town council or the parents or the drunks.
I honestly do not understand why the town councillors and the employees make an effort to brighten up the town and to try and rejuvenate the Town centre. Return on capital invested! obviously an accountant or someone who reads big newspapers. Why can we not have some features in our town with out the accountants and pseudo-politicians always grumbling or making wise cracks. You obviously do not have an ounce of imagination amongst the lot of you and I find it extremely sad that so many of you keep on about Dorothy and everything she does is wrong, it is better to do something and get it some of it wrong than to sit on your bums all day moaning. If we had some councillors with imagination during in 1927 we could have had Watford central railway station in the parade. We have many school choirs, drama groups, musicians plus many more local groups that would love the opportunity to show off their talents to the good folks of Watford. Would it rejuvenate the top of the town of the town? yes I think it would do if we get a wide range of entertainment on, this would help the existing shops, wine bar etc and would entice new people to set up shop. As for everyone keeping on about little children falling in and drunks losing their way and walking into the pond, So who is to blame?the town council or the parents or the drunks. Thrower
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Drunks falling into the pond might not be such a bad thing! I doubt it's deep enough to drown in and it might sober them up a bit.
Drunks falling into the pond might not be such a bad thing! I doubt it's deep enough to drown in and it might sober them up a bit. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Sec.andTreasurer says...

david T G wrote:
I understand that the development came in well over budget- nearer £5m!

Has a contingency fund been set up to pay all the compensation claims that will be made after the falls caused by falling over the the trip hazards around the pond, falling in to the pond and slipping on the wet decking of the bridge?

The lack of a cycle lane will cause many arguments- or worse!

I hope that the result will be a rise in the economic future of the parade but, like the new position of the market, it seems that the end result was wanted by dotty Dotty and she was going to get her own way, whatever the research indicated.

I agree with the poster who said a pressure wash would have been a better and more economic use of OUR funds in these austere times.

But those who decide seem to believe it is their money to do with as they please.

By the way, what was the breakdown of the costs, anyone?
There was a perfectly adequate cycle route through The Parade before Madam Mayor embarked on her ego trip. It seemed too work well; pedestrians, generally speaking, kept off the cycle lane and cyclists, generally speaking, kept on it! Now you will have cyclists slaloming about among the pedestrians and all sorts of ill-will will be created!!
[quote][p][bold]david T G[/bold] wrote: I understand that the development came in well over budget- nearer £5m! Has a contingency fund been set up to pay all the compensation claims that will be made after the falls caused by falling over the the trip hazards around the pond, falling in to the pond and slipping on the wet decking of the bridge? The lack of a cycle lane will cause many arguments- or worse! I hope that the result will be a rise in the economic future of the parade but, like the new position of the market, it seems that the end result was wanted by dotty Dotty and she was going to get her own way, whatever the research indicated. I agree with the poster who said a pressure wash would have been a better and more economic use of OUR funds in these austere times. But those who decide seem to believe it is their money to do with as they please. By the way, what was the breakdown of the costs, anyone?[/p][/quote]There was a perfectly adequate cycle route through The Parade before Madam Mayor embarked on her ego trip. It seemed too work well; pedestrians, generally speaking, kept off the cycle lane and cyclists, generally speaking, kept on it! Now you will have cyclists slaloming about among the pedestrians and all sorts of ill-will will be created!! Sec.andTreasurer
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Thrower says...

Sec and Treasurer

you must have had many disappointments in your life to keep whinging on all the time. In fact I feel really sorry for you as you seem to spend your time moaning about winners. I bet you cannot say anything positive about the town.
Sec and Treasurer you must have had many disappointments in your life to keep whinging on all the time. In fact I feel really sorry for you as you seem to spend your time moaning about winners. I bet you cannot say anything positive about the town. Thrower
  • Score: -1

4:48am Mon 23 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

I must say that I agree with the point about mixing cyclists and pedestrians up! It was always a dangerous thing to do, since a bicycle piling into somebody if being ridden fast can cause as much injury and damage as a motor vehicle.

Unfortunately town planners seem to think all cyclists travel at the same speed, i.e. SLOW. However, they don't! In my racing and time trialling days (a long time ago now), I could very often reach 30-40 m.p.h. and faster. I know because I recall storming down the underpass by the town hall once and a police car pulled alongside me and an officer told me to slow down because I was exceeding the speed limit!
I must say that I agree with the point about mixing cyclists and pedestrians up! It was always a dangerous thing to do, since a bicycle piling into somebody if being ridden fast can cause as much injury and damage as a motor vehicle. Unfortunately town planners seem to think all cyclists travel at the same speed, i.e. SLOW. However, they don't! In my racing and time trialling days (a long time ago now), I could very often reach 30-40 m.p.h. and faster. I know because I recall storming down the underpass by the town hall once and a police car pulled alongside me and an officer told me to slow down because I was exceeding the speed limit! Roy Stockdill
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Mon 23 Jun 14

CaptainPC says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I must say that I agree with the point about mixing cyclists and pedestrians up! It was always a dangerous thing to do, since a bicycle piling into somebody if being ridden fast can cause as much injury and damage as a motor vehicle.

Unfortunately town planners seem to think all cyclists travel at the same speed, i.e. SLOW. However, they don't! In my racing and time trialling days (a long time ago now), I could very often reach 30-40 m.p.h. and faster. I know because I recall storming down the underpass by the town hall once and a police car pulled alongside me and an officer told me to slow down because I was exceeding the speed limit!
I don't think you really had a concern. You just wanted to show off.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I must say that I agree with the point about mixing cyclists and pedestrians up! It was always a dangerous thing to do, since a bicycle piling into somebody if being ridden fast can cause as much injury and damage as a motor vehicle. Unfortunately town planners seem to think all cyclists travel at the same speed, i.e. SLOW. However, they don't! In my racing and time trialling days (a long time ago now), I could very often reach 30-40 m.p.h. and faster. I know because I recall storming down the underpass by the town hall once and a police car pulled alongside me and an officer told me to slow down because I was exceeding the speed limit![/p][/quote]I don't think you really had a concern. You just wanted to show off. CaptainPC
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Actually, no. I was used to riding very fast when time trialling and probably didn't even realise I was over the limit. Unless you have a speedometer on the bike, and I didn't in those days, it's often difficult to know how fast one is riding.
Actually, no. I was used to riding very fast when time trialling and probably didn't even realise I was over the limit. Unless you have a speedometer on the bike, and I didn't in those days, it's often difficult to know how fast one is riding. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: -1

10:13pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Watfordengineer says...

Thrower wrote:
I honestly do not understand why the town councillors and the employees make an effort to brighten up the town and to try and rejuvenate the Town centre.
Return on capital invested! obviously an accountant or someone who reads big newspapers. Why can we not have some features in our town with out the accountants and pseudo-politicians always grumbling or making wise cracks. You obviously do not have an ounce of imagination amongst the lot of you and I find it extremely sad that so many of you keep on about Dorothy and everything she does is wrong, it is better to do something and get it some of it wrong than to sit on your bums all day moaning. If we had some councillors with imagination during in 1927 we could have had Watford central railway station in the parade.
We have many school choirs, drama groups, musicians plus many more local groups that would love the opportunity to show off their talents to the good folks of Watford. Would it rejuvenate the top of the town of the town? yes I think it would do if we get a wide range of entertainment on, this would help the existing shops, wine bar etc and would entice new people to set up shop. As for everyone keeping on about little children falling in and drunks losing their way and walking into the pond, So who is to blame?the town council or the parents or the drunks.
well said.
[quote][p][bold]Thrower[/bold] wrote: I honestly do not understand why the town councillors and the employees make an effort to brighten up the town and to try and rejuvenate the Town centre. Return on capital invested! obviously an accountant or someone who reads big newspapers. Why can we not have some features in our town with out the accountants and pseudo-politicians always grumbling or making wise cracks. You obviously do not have an ounce of imagination amongst the lot of you and I find it extremely sad that so many of you keep on about Dorothy and everything she does is wrong, it is better to do something and get it some of it wrong than to sit on your bums all day moaning. If we had some councillors with imagination during in 1927 we could have had Watford central railway station in the parade. We have many school choirs, drama groups, musicians plus many more local groups that would love the opportunity to show off their talents to the good folks of Watford. Would it rejuvenate the top of the town of the town? yes I think it would do if we get a wide range of entertainment on, this would help the existing shops, wine bar etc and would entice new people to set up shop. As for everyone keeping on about little children falling in and drunks losing their way and walking into the pond, So who is to blame?the town council or the parents or the drunks.[/p][/quote]well said. Watfordengineer
  • Score: 2

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