Anxious wait for Sri Lankan families in Watford after island riots

Watford Observer: Anxious wait for Sri Lankan families in Watford after three killed and scores injured in island riots Anxious wait for Sri Lankan families in Watford after three killed and scores injured in island riots

Watford MP Richard Harrington has taken up the concerns of Sri Lankan Muslims in the town after seeing photographs of the "horrific" aftermath of rioting in the county.

Sri Lankans in Watford spent a distressing weekend waiting for news of loved-ones after violence erupted in the Western region of the country.

Official reports say at least three people were killed and scores were injured in the predominantly Muslim area following a demonstration organised by a hardline Buddhists group called BBS.

Mr Harrington has backed calls from his Sri Lankan constituents, who demonstrated outside Downing Street on Wednesday, for the UK Government to pressure the Sri Lankan President to act.

The MP said: "They came to see me and I saw photographic evidence of what happened.  It was horrific. 

"The British Government has got to put pressure on the Sri Lankan Government to find out what happened. And if they suspect those who did it, they need to say who they are and hunt them down. Not just put in a news blackout."

One West Watford couple described how they had spent an anxious weekend receiving messaged from terrified relatives back in their home county.

Asran Ameen, who lives with his wife Rimzama in Hadgen Lane, said his relatives had been injured and had their homes burned in Dharge Town in the west of the island.

The 34-year-old, who has lived in Watford for 15 years after leaving Sri Lanka in 1999, said he first learned of the trouble in his home town after receiving a call from his cousin on Sunday.

Mr Ameen said: "He called and said they had got news they (the demonstrators) where coming through the town. They had put police in the town and were preparing but they did not know what was going to happen.

"When they came through he said they really wanted to pick a fight and had stones and petrol bombs."

In the ensuing violence Mr Ameen, who works as a concierge at The Hilton hotel in Paddington, said his uncle’s shop and home was burned down as was his brother’s house.

He said his cousins were also hurt trying to defend the properties and Rimzama’s brother had been shot in the leg.

Mr Ameen said members of the close-knit Muslim Sri Lankan community in Watford had been supporting each other through the riots.

He said they feared that if action was not taken the tensions could escalate between Buddhists and Muslims in the county.

He added: "We really want the British government to put pressure on the Sri Lankan government to take action and ban the group. The British Government gives lots of funds (to Sri Lanka) and has huge influence.

"I believe this is just the start and they need to take action before something big happens. We saw what happened up in the north and we don’t want that to happen again in Sri Lanka."

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7:55am Fri 20 Jun 14

gusgreen says...

Come on Harrington this has nothing to do with you or the UK government. What is happening 5500 miles away in a foreign country is their business and theirs to sort out,it is NOT in our province to poke our nose in in other peoples affairs which has caused us so many problems in the past.
Surely you have more than enough problems to sort out in the UK in general and Watford in particular as the last time I looked this was not utopia.
If the Sri Lankens are that worried maybe they should go and help their families and not expect a foreign country,that's us,to get involved!
Come on Harrington this has nothing to do with you or the UK government. What is happening 5500 miles away in a foreign country is their business and theirs to sort out,it is NOT in our province to poke our nose in in other peoples affairs which has caused us so many problems in the past. Surely you have more than enough problems to sort out in the UK in general and Watford in particular as the last time I looked this was not utopia. If the Sri Lankens are that worried maybe they should go and help their families and not expect a foreign country,that's us,to get involved! gusgreen
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8:57am Fri 20 Jun 14

Mike Ribble says...

Unlike gusgreen, most Brits are proud of this country's record of being prepared to speak up (and sometimes more) to defend the rights of oppressed minorities wherever they live.
In this case it is of particular concern that, according to local people, the police did little to protect people or property.
Unlike gusgreen, most Brits are proud of this country's record of being prepared to speak up (and sometimes more) to defend the rights of oppressed minorities wherever they live. In this case it is of particular concern that, according to local people, the police did little to protect people or property. Mike Ribble
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9:00am Fri 20 Jun 14

Cuetip says...

Oh my how very nice of Harrington to show concern for victims of conflict especially as the ethnic vote might have an influence in a few months time.

Harrington did you not vote to bomb Syrian cities and the Assad regime to bits and now your 'intelligent' mates want to bomb the other side?

Have you any idea how your flawed thinking would have unleashed on that region. Have you ever heard of Pandora's Box?

Ps Any news on the British role in the 1984 Amritsar attack where hundreds of Sikhs were massacred at the Golden Temple
Oh my how very nice of Harrington to show concern for victims of conflict especially as the ethnic vote might have an influence in a few months time. Harrington did you not vote to bomb Syrian cities and the Assad regime to bits and now your 'intelligent' mates want to bomb the other side? Have you any idea how your flawed thinking would have unleashed on that region. Have you ever heard of Pandora's Box? Ps Any news on the British role in the 1984 Amritsar attack where hundreds of Sikhs were massacred at the Golden Temple Cuetip
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12:28pm Fri 20 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Mike Ribble wrote:
Unlike gusgreen, most Brits are proud of this country's record of being prepared to speak up (and sometimes more) to defend the rights of oppressed minorities wherever they live. In this case it is of particular concern that, according to local people, the police did little to protect people or property.
We owe our position in the world and our comparative wealth due to the empire we had i.e. taking from others what they had and making it ours. Isnt it only right then that even though we are no longer so powerful we do take an interest in what goes on around the world?

Sri Lanka is after all a Commonwealth country
[quote][p][bold]Mike Ribble[/bold] wrote: Unlike gusgreen, most Brits are proud of this country's record of being prepared to speak up (and sometimes more) to defend the rights of oppressed minorities wherever they live. In this case it is of particular concern that, according to local people, the police did little to protect people or property.[/p][/quote]We owe our position in the world and our comparative wealth due to the empire we had i.e. taking from others what they had and making it ours. Isnt it only right then that even though we are no longer so powerful we do take an interest in what goes on around the world? Sri Lanka is after all a Commonwealth country garston tony
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7:33pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Oh dear, here we go yet again! Fact: RELIGION is responsible for 99 per cent of all the troubles, problems and wars in the world and always has been. Anyone who thinks otherwise is extraordinarily naive, ignorant and stupid.

What on earth is happening in Iraq and Syria? What is happening in Nigeria and Sudan. Yet again, Islamic loonies and nutters are running riot. Soon we in Britain will be threatened by these lunatics who want to turn us back into the Dark Ages 1500 years ago.

We HAVE to defeat them, however it is done. These backward people have been brainwashed from birth with centuries of religious inculcation and they are so uneducated and ignorant they do not possess the necessary intellect to question or challenge the nonsense they believe.
Oh dear, here we go yet again! Fact: RELIGION is responsible for 99 per cent of all the troubles, problems and wars in the world and always has been. Anyone who thinks otherwise is extraordinarily naive, ignorant and stupid. What on earth is happening in Iraq and Syria? What is happening in Nigeria and Sudan. Yet again, Islamic loonies and nutters are running riot. Soon we in Britain will be threatened by these lunatics who want to turn us back into the Dark Ages 1500 years ago. We HAVE to defeat them, however it is done. These backward people have been brainwashed from birth with centuries of religious inculcation and they are so uneducated and ignorant they do not possess the necessary intellect to question or challenge the nonsense they believe. Roy Stockdill
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11:19pm Fri 20 Jun 14

LSC says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Oh dear, here we go yet again! Fact: RELIGION is responsible for 99 per cent of all the troubles, problems and wars in the world and always has been. Anyone who thinks otherwise is extraordinarily naive, ignorant and stupid.

What on earth is happening in Iraq and Syria? What is happening in Nigeria and Sudan. Yet again, Islamic loonies and nutters are running riot. Soon we in Britain will be threatened by these lunatics who want to turn us back into the Dark Ages 1500 years ago.

We HAVE to defeat them, however it is done. These backward people have been brainwashed from birth with centuries of religious inculcation and they are so uneducated and ignorant they do not possess the necessary intellect to question or challenge the nonsense they believe.
Tony sometimes says (and this isn't a direct quote) that evil people use religion for evil ends, and religion itself is not at fault. He does, perhaps, have a point in that.
But if you do look at it that way, then religion is being used as a tool. Like a gun. Guns are fine pieces of engineering, and harmless if just admired as that. A responsible adult might even target shoot as a hobby.
But when you let them loose in schools and the streets, there is always carnage. When you let the uneducated or irresponsible near them, the power crazed egotists and the sheep that listen to them; you have a major problem.
And thus it is with religion.
We should treat religion like we treat guns. Get it away from kids and nutcases.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, here we go yet again! Fact: RELIGION is responsible for 99 per cent of all the troubles, problems and wars in the world and always has been. Anyone who thinks otherwise is extraordinarily naive, ignorant and stupid. What on earth is happening in Iraq and Syria? What is happening in Nigeria and Sudan. Yet again, Islamic loonies and nutters are running riot. Soon we in Britain will be threatened by these lunatics who want to turn us back into the Dark Ages 1500 years ago. We HAVE to defeat them, however it is done. These backward people have been brainwashed from birth with centuries of religious inculcation and they are so uneducated and ignorant they do not possess the necessary intellect to question or challenge the nonsense they believe.[/p][/quote]Tony sometimes says (and this isn't a direct quote) that evil people use religion for evil ends, and religion itself is not at fault. He does, perhaps, have a point in that. But if you do look at it that way, then religion is being used as a tool. Like a gun. Guns are fine pieces of engineering, and harmless if just admired as that. A responsible adult might even target shoot as a hobby. But when you let them loose in schools and the streets, there is always carnage. When you let the uneducated or irresponsible near them, the power crazed egotists and the sheep that listen to them; you have a major problem. And thus it is with religion. We should treat religion like we treat guns. Get it away from kids and nutcases. LSC
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11:47pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

>When you let the uneducated or irresponsible near them, the power crazed egotists and the sheep that listen to them; you have a major problem.
And thus it is with religion.
We should treat religion like we treat guns. Get it away from kids and nutcases.<

Couldn't agree more, LSC.
>When you let the uneducated or irresponsible near them, the power crazed egotists and the sheep that listen to them; you have a major problem. And thus it is with religion. We should treat religion like we treat guns. Get it away from kids and nutcases.< Couldn't agree more, LSC. Roy Stockdill
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9:39am Mon 23 Jun 14

garston tony says...

LSC your analogy is fine up to a point. Yes guns dont kill people its people using guns that kill people, just like religion doesnt kill people its people using it for their own ends that do.

But you could make your comment about letting the uneducated or irresponsible near religion and guns about a lot of things. The internet, cars and bikes, garden equipment, building equipment, shopping trolleys and so on and on.

To make your position fair you'd have to keep children in an empty locked room until the age of 18 and only then allow them any access to any information.

But of course thats ridiculous and so is your belief that children should be kept away from religion. For the vast vast vast majority it is a positive thing in their lives or at worst something they decide is no longer for them and they give it up with no side effects. As with most things its only the small minority that give it a bad name and as per usual your comments are not based in reality but based on your own bias against religion
LSC your analogy is fine up to a point. Yes guns dont kill people its people using guns that kill people, just like religion doesnt kill people its people using it for their own ends that do. But you could make your comment about letting the uneducated or irresponsible near religion and guns about a lot of things. The internet, cars and bikes, garden equipment, building equipment, shopping trolleys and so on and on. To make your position fair you'd have to keep children in an empty locked room until the age of 18 and only then allow them any access to any information. But of course thats ridiculous and so is your belief that children should be kept away from religion. For the vast vast vast majority it is a positive thing in their lives or at worst something they decide is no longer for them and they give it up with no side effects. As with most things its only the small minority that give it a bad name and as per usual your comments are not based in reality but based on your own bias against religion garston tony
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10:04am Mon 23 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Just for your information I have just done a quick search and there are currently 44 conflicts going on around the world. All of them are about territorial/border disputes, or about wanting self rule, or wanting to overthrow a government in order to get democratic governance, or about oil or control of other natural resources or even drugs etc.

Whilst some of the conflicts do have factions who are of one religion or another the actual ‘purpose’ of the conflict falls into one of the above categories and most often is about wanting control of a country or area. Every conflict is about power not about religion.

Interestingly enough in at least 8 of the 44 conflicts the protagonist are communist.

So Roy can you please stop your bull about 99% of all troubles being about religion. The bankers did not help destroy economies because of religion they did so because of greed, thieves do not steal because a religion tells them to they steal mostly because they are too lazy or stupid to get a job, people have car crashes not because a god tells them to but because they are irresponsibly or have had a momentary lapse in concentration or because something mechanical/electrica
l breaks of because stuff just happens. Your comments as it so often the case are a load of bull and only founded in the fantasy land that is your imagination
Just for your information I have just done a quick search and there are currently 44 conflicts going on around the world. All of them are about territorial/border disputes, or about wanting self rule, or wanting to overthrow a government in order to get democratic governance, or about oil or control of other natural resources or even drugs etc. Whilst some of the conflicts do have factions who are of one religion or another the actual ‘purpose’ of the conflict falls into one of the above categories and most often is about wanting control of a country or area. Every conflict is about power not about religion. Interestingly enough in at least 8 of the 44 conflicts the protagonist are communist. So Roy can you please stop your bull about 99% of all troubles being about religion. The bankers did not help destroy economies because of religion they did so because of greed, thieves do not steal because a religion tells them to they steal mostly because they are too lazy or stupid to get a job, people have car crashes not because a god tells them to but because they are irresponsibly or have had a momentary lapse in concentration or because something mechanical/electrica l breaks of because stuff just happens. Your comments as it so often the case are a load of bull and only founded in the fantasy land that is your imagination garston tony
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12:08pm Mon 23 Jun 14

LSC says...

garston tony wrote:
LSC your analogy is fine up to a point. Yes guns dont kill people its people using guns that kill people, just like religion doesnt kill people its people using it for their own ends that do.

But you could make your comment about letting the uneducated or irresponsible near religion and guns about a lot of things. The internet, cars and bikes, garden equipment, building equipment, shopping trolleys and so on and on.

To make your position fair you'd have to keep children in an empty locked room until the age of 18 and only then allow them any access to any information.

But of course thats ridiculous and so is your belief that children should be kept away from religion. For the vast vast vast majority it is a positive thing in their lives or at worst something they decide is no longer for them and they give it up with no side effects. As with most things its only the small minority that give it a bad name and as per usual your comments are not based in reality but based on your own bias against religion
Yes, we must keep children away from certain things. I was not allowed to marry Alison when I was 8, which is just as well because I hated her by the time I was nine. Dad wouldn't let me drive his car, and I wasn't allowed a pint either.
Because at 8, I wasn't able to handle these things. Most certainly I would not have been able to handle a whole philosphy of life, the universe and everything. Driving a car safely would have been easy in comparison to that.
Yet I was taught religion anyway. Badly, as it turns out, because I got the sugar-coated 'bible stories' that don't actually even appear in the bible.
I even had to play Joseph in the nativety play, and we all know what a farce that is. But it was a case of whatever it takes to get me in the 'club' before I was old enough to look at things with an educated mind.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: LSC your analogy is fine up to a point. Yes guns dont kill people its people using guns that kill people, just like religion doesnt kill people its people using it for their own ends that do. But you could make your comment about letting the uneducated or irresponsible near religion and guns about a lot of things. The internet, cars and bikes, garden equipment, building equipment, shopping trolleys and so on and on. To make your position fair you'd have to keep children in an empty locked room until the age of 18 and only then allow them any access to any information. But of course thats ridiculous and so is your belief that children should be kept away from religion. For the vast vast vast majority it is a positive thing in their lives or at worst something they decide is no longer for them and they give it up with no side effects. As with most things its only the small minority that give it a bad name and as per usual your comments are not based in reality but based on your own bias against religion[/p][/quote]Yes, we must keep children away from certain things. I was not allowed to marry Alison when I was 8, which is just as well because I hated her by the time I was nine. Dad wouldn't let me drive his car, and I wasn't allowed a pint either. Because at 8, I wasn't able to handle these things. Most certainly I would not have been able to handle a whole philosphy of life, the universe and everything. Driving a car safely would have been easy in comparison to that. Yet I was taught religion anyway. Badly, as it turns out, because I got the sugar-coated 'bible stories' that don't actually even appear in the bible. I even had to play Joseph in the nativety play, and we all know what a farce that is. But it was a case of whatever it takes to get me in the 'club' before I was old enough to look at things with an educated mind. LSC
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12:22pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Roy Stockdill says...

What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century?

Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see!
What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century? Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see! Roy Stockdill
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1:31pm Mon 23 Jun 14

garston tony says...

The thing is LSC maybe you aren’t allowed to marry or drive aged 8 but many parents don’t see anything wrong with filling their kids bellies with junk food or their minds with video and TV nasties or providing them with technology that allows them to access hard core **** and believing excersice is moving your fingers over a game consoles controller or allowing them to stay up late therefore meaning they cant function to their best in school (see junk food also) and when they misbehave because they are not given proper boundaries their parents blame everyone but themselves and their sprots for what they get up to.

But crucially LSC there comes a point in every kids lives where they can stand on their own two feet and make their own decisions. Just as you were brought up to believe in Christianity but then decided it wasn’t for you every child has that same opportunity. Or are you really that deluded that you think you are the only one?

Once again I have to ask then if you think a child is too young to handle ideas about life, the universe and everything when you’ll be starting your campaign to have big bang and evolution taught or indeed mentioned to anyone under 18?
The thing is LSC maybe you aren’t allowed to marry or drive aged 8 but many parents don’t see anything wrong with filling their kids bellies with junk food or their minds with video and TV nasties or providing them with technology that allows them to access hard core **** and believing excersice is moving your fingers over a game consoles controller or allowing them to stay up late therefore meaning they cant function to their best in school (see junk food also) and when they misbehave because they are not given proper boundaries their parents blame everyone but themselves and their sprots for what they get up to. But crucially LSC there comes a point in every kids lives where they can stand on their own two feet and make their own decisions. Just as you were brought up to believe in Christianity but then decided it wasn’t for you every child has that same opportunity. Or are you really that deluded that you think you are the only one? Once again I have to ask then if you think a child is too young to handle ideas about life, the universe and everything when you’ll be starting your campaign to have big bang and evolution taught or indeed mentioned to anyone under 18? garston tony
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1:34pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Cuetip says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century?

Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see!
Looking at the exploitative world today and the role of religion in so many war torn countries, apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland, the entrenched African slavery system , and the extensive opium fields around the world, Karl Marx who coined the phrase that religion is the “opium of the masses” seems like a prophet.

According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited.
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century? Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see![/p][/quote]Looking at the exploitative world today and the role of religion in so many war torn countries, apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland, the entrenched African slavery system , and the extensive opium fields around the world, Karl Marx who coined the phrase that religion is the “opium of the masses” seems like a prophet. According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited. Cuetip
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1:43pm Mon 23 Jun 14

garston tony says...

What gets me about Roy is that despite me saying a billion times that I’ve studied the Bible (and other faiths) more than he has had hot dinners (I assume you like a regular warm meal Roy? With your advanced years and former tabloid expense accounts along with portly frame I’d imagine you’ve had quite a few) he still wishes to make out that we blindly believe the Bible. I test what I believe daily as do many other people of faith.

Are there some who just follow it unthinkingly? Yes of course, but then I’m fond Roy of referring to a ‘debate’ you were involved in a year or two back where I asked you some quite basic questions about big bang and evolution. I had to ask several times before you finally admitted your knowledge of what you believe was, well I’ll be kind, ‘limited’ (okay, lets be honest it was non existent!).

And yet you are so vocal in your support for big bang/evolution and even more vocal in your opposition to any other alternative beliefs. I don’t think you’re in any position to question the validity of other peoples personal faiths Roy.

After all Big Bang theory and most of evolutionary theory are works of fiction, fables and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Saddly more than a few loony uneducated pro big bang/evolutionarists believe it to be gospel. What pathetic twaddle and nonsense such a whole hearted ignorant belief is Roy, as anyone with half a brain could see! Of course you cant argue with stupid as the saying goes so its no surprise you’ll never get this Roy
What gets me about Roy is that despite me saying a billion times that I’ve studied the Bible (and other faiths) more than he has had hot dinners (I assume you like a regular warm meal Roy? With your advanced years and former tabloid expense accounts along with portly frame I’d imagine you’ve had quite a few) he still wishes to make out that we blindly believe the Bible. I test what I believe daily as do many other people of faith. Are there some who just follow it unthinkingly? Yes of course, but then I’m fond Roy of referring to a ‘debate’ you were involved in a year or two back where I asked you some quite basic questions about big bang and evolution. I had to ask several times before you finally admitted your knowledge of what you believe was, well I’ll be kind, ‘limited’ (okay, lets be honest it was non existent!). And yet you are so vocal in your support for big bang/evolution and even more vocal in your opposition to any other alternative beliefs. I don’t think you’re in any position to question the validity of other peoples personal faiths Roy. After all Big Bang theory and most of evolutionary theory are works of fiction, fables and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Saddly more than a few loony uneducated pro big bang/evolutionarists believe it to be gospel. What pathetic twaddle and nonsense such a whole hearted ignorant belief is Roy, as anyone with half a brain could see! Of course you cant argue with stupid as the saying goes so its no surprise you’ll never get this Roy garston tony
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1:45pm Mon 23 Jun 14

garston tony says...

Cuetip wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote: What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century? Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see!
Looking at the exploitative world today and the role of religion in so many war torn countries, apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland, the entrenched African slavery system , and the extensive opium fields around the world, Karl Marx who coined the phrase that religion is the “opium of the masses” seems like a prophet. According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited.
Ooh, didnt communism work out so well.....
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century? Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see![/p][/quote]Looking at the exploitative world today and the role of religion in so many war torn countries, apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland, the entrenched African slavery system , and the extensive opium fields around the world, Karl Marx who coined the phrase that religion is the “opium of the masses” seems like a prophet. According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited.[/p][/quote]Ooh, didnt communism work out so well..... garston tony
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5:10pm Mon 23 Jun 14

LSC says...

Tony, Tony, Tony. I have answered this question so many times. The Big Bang, which you keep referring to, but nobody else does, is a theory. It should be taught as such. There is much to learn, and maybe it is all nonsense.
But what we do know, as fact, without shadow of doubt, is that the bible IS nonsense. God was not a talking donkey or a burning bush. Dinosaurs did exist. The great flood couldn't happen. Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25, if he was born at all. He did not walk on water. He was not crucified on a Friday unless he was taken down again within hours because that was the law of the land (which might explain the legend he came back to life).
Hogwash.
It should NEVER be taught as fact to impressionable children.
Tony, Tony, Tony. I have answered this question so many times. The Big Bang, which you keep referring to, but nobody else does, is a theory. It should be taught as such. There is much to learn, and maybe it is all nonsense. But what we do know, as fact, without shadow of doubt, is that the bible IS nonsense. God was not a talking donkey or a burning bush. Dinosaurs did exist. The great flood couldn't happen. Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25, if he was born at all. He did not walk on water. He was not crucified on a Friday unless he was taken down again within hours because that was the law of the land (which might explain the legend he came back to life). Hogwash. It should NEVER be taught as fact to impressionable children. LSC
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7:29pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Cuetip says...

garston tony wrote:
Cuetip wrote:
Roy Stockdill wrote: What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century? Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see!
Looking at the exploitative world today and the role of religion in so many war torn countries, apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland, the entrenched African slavery system , and the extensive opium fields around the world, Karl Marx who coined the phrase that religion is the “opium of the masses” seems like a prophet. According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited.
Ooh, didnt communism work out so well.....
It seems you have cut your elastic and dropped your pants as I thought the debate was about the role of religion and the stories about Noah's Ark, the parting of the Red Sea, feeding thousands with 7 loaves and 7 fishes, rain dances, the use of Latin in Medieval Churches in a highly superstitious peasant society who were sold the idea that the earth was flat etc.

When sawng make sure you are on the right side of the branch or you will be in God knows where.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: What gets me about Tony and all the others who have beenso brainwashed by religion is that they cannot somehow bring themselves to see that books like the Bible and the Koran, written many, many centuries ago, at a time when the world wasso utterly different,, these books might as well have been written on a different planet! They were written at a time when backward and barbaric superstitions ruled the Earth, when the vast majority of people had no education whatsoever, so how can anything they say possibly be taken seriously and still believed in the 21st century? Both the Bible and the Koran are works of fiction, fable and fairy tales, interesting in themselves but no more. Does anyone apart from a few loony bible-bashers in America actually believe in the so-called miracles that Christ is supposed to have performed? Do all Muslims seriously believe they will go to Paradise and be waited upon by vestal virgins, otherwise they will burn in the fires of Hell if they're non-Muslims. Really! What pathetic twaddle and nonsense it all is, which anyone with half a brain could see![/p][/quote]Looking at the exploitative world today and the role of religion in so many war torn countries, apartheid South Africa, Northern Ireland, the entrenched African slavery system , and the extensive opium fields around the world, Karl Marx who coined the phrase that religion is the “opium of the masses” seems like a prophet. According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited.[/p][/quote]Ooh, didnt communism work out so well.....[/p][/quote]It seems you have cut your elastic and dropped your pants as I thought the debate was about the role of religion and the stories about Noah's Ark, the parting of the Red Sea, feeding thousands with 7 loaves and 7 fishes, rain dances, the use of Latin in Medieval Churches in a highly superstitious peasant society who were sold the idea that the earth was flat etc. When sawng make sure you are on the right side of the branch or you will be in God knows where. Cuetip
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