Farm Terrace Allotments: Eric Pickles refuses to back down over decision to build on land

Farm Terrace Allotments: Eric Pickles refuses to back down over decision to build on land

Farm Terrace Allotments: Eric Pickles refuses to back down over decision to build on land

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

Eric Pickles has refused to back down over his decision to allow West Watford allotments to be built on as part of the health campus scheme, ahead of a High Court showdown.

The Secretary of State of Communities and Local Government was challenged to undo the decision after the plot-holders’ legal team obtained fresh evidence about the case.

However, according to court documents, Mr Pickles declined saying he had no power to undo the decision and did not accept it was flawed.

The move means the battle over the 100-year-old allotments is set go to the High Court for a judicial review next week.

The plot-holders are challenging permission Mr Pickles gave Watford Borough Council in December to use the allotments in the regeneration scheme which aims to build up to 750 home and new businesses behind Vicarage Road.

The scheme also promises to leave space for potential new hospital facilities as well.

The allotment-holders’ skeleton argument, which was submitted to the judge ahead of the case, said Mr Pickles decision was based on a "simply wrong" assumption that the scheme could not go ahead without using the allotment land.

The allotment-holders’ barrister, Jason Coppel QC said there needed to be exceptional circumstances for the Secretary of State sign off on the destruction of allotments in use.

Mr Pickles justified his Farm Terrace decision saying he had seen evidence that the health campus would not be "economically viable" without the allotment land.

And this could deprive the public of the scheme’s benefits, which included "improved hospital facilities".

However Mr Coppel said this was not supported by the council’s evidence, which said the allotments would make the scheme "more viable"

He added: "In other words that with the allotments, the project would be more likely to make a profit."

Mr Coppel said immediately after Mr Pickles’s decision there were a number of developments that further undermined the basis of his reasoning.

These included the release of the health campus master plan, which showed that up to 20 per cent of the allotment land would be used for a Watford FC car park.

Another development was the Environment Agency approving a flood plain plan that would allow homes to be built on a wider area of the regeneration site.

Mr Coppel argued: "As a result, it was clear by the end of June 2014, even if the Secretary of State’s second decision had once appeared to be defensible, any such defence had fallen away".

He added that at the very least Mr Pickles should retake the decision based on the correct factual basis.

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5:41pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

Best wishes to SJT and the team!
Best wishes to SJT and the team! Phil Cox (UKIP)
  • Score: 9

5:44pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Popeonarope says...

Stop calling it the health campus! Its housing.
Stop calling it the health campus! Its housing. Popeonarope
  • Score: 25

6:40pm Thu 17 Jul 14

sjtrebar says...

The court date is Friday July 25th at the Royal Courts of Justice, Westminster. Members of the public are welcome to attend. We are holding a 'Peasful Demonstration' outside the court between 12.00 and 14.00 and we would love it if the many Watford residents who have supported us could come and join us. This has been a long battle, we have had to face the unbelievable amount of spin and propaganda put out by Watford Borough Council which we can now legally prove was completely wrong. Mayor Dorothy has had to admit herself that there is no 'New Hospital' and that she wants our land for flats and a car park. She has deliberately let the allotment site get run down and abandoned so that people wouldn't care. But people have cared. People do care! Residents are waking up to the fact that there will be no 'Health Campus' but rather a 'Thornhill housing Estate'. If you care, if you are proud of how hard and how long we local Watford residents have had to fight please come and show your support and if you can not attend please be vocal about our case and about our fight not just to save Farm Terrace Allotments but also to set a precedent to save allotments up and down the country by setting case law if we win our case. Of course if we do not win the council and the government can close more and more allotment sites because of 'the Greater Good' - The greater good which is apparently profit. We are the thin end of the wedge, if we go, more and more luscious Watford greenery is sure to go.
The court date is Friday July 25th at the Royal Courts of Justice, Westminster. Members of the public are welcome to attend. We are holding a 'Peasful Demonstration' outside the court between 12.00 and 14.00 and we would love it if the many Watford residents who have supported us could come and join us. This has been a long battle, we have had to face the unbelievable amount of spin and propaganda put out by Watford Borough Council which we can now legally prove was completely wrong. Mayor Dorothy has had to admit herself that there is no 'New Hospital' and that she wants our land for flats and a car park. She has deliberately let the allotment site get run down and abandoned so that people wouldn't care. But people have cared. People do care! Residents are waking up to the fact that there will be no 'Health Campus' but rather a 'Thornhill housing Estate'. If you care, if you are proud of how hard and how long we local Watford residents have had to fight please come and show your support and if you can not attend please be vocal about our case and about our fight not just to save Farm Terrace Allotments but also to set a precedent to save allotments up and down the country by setting case law if we win our case. Of course if we do not win the council and the government can close more and more allotment sites because of 'the Greater Good' - The greater good which is apparently profit. We are the thin end of the wedge, if we go, more and more luscious Watford greenery is sure to go. sjtrebar
  • Score: 44

7:05pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Retlas says...

I wish you all the best and hope that you succeed!!
I wish you all the best and hope that you succeed!! Retlas
  • Score: 17

7:18pm Thu 17 Jul 14

ancientandageing says...

So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)
So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think) ancientandageing
  • Score: -3

7:32pm Thu 17 Jul 14

crazyfrog says...

What evidence has pickles seen then? Because there is no health campus now he doesn't want to lose face and back down in the face of facts, that's what sort of politicians today's Tories are they are very dangerous .
What evidence has pickles seen then? Because there is no health campus now he doesn't want to lose face and back down in the face of facts, that's what sort of politicians today's Tories are they are very dangerous . crazyfrog
  • Score: 9

7:33pm Thu 17 Jul 14

sjtrebar says...

ancientandageing wrote:
So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)
Put it this way, Hopefully a famous Woody Guthrie song will be played a few times...
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)[/p][/quote]Put it this way, Hopefully a famous Woody Guthrie song will be played a few times... sjtrebar
  • Score: 7

7:39pm Thu 17 Jul 14

JohnnyHornet says...

Oops, Local Council & LibLabCon considering the local electorate's wishes yet again.
Oops, Local Council & LibLabCon considering the local electorate's wishes yet again. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 12

7:46pm Thu 17 Jul 14

jasonwatford says...

Just get on with it , it's called progress
Just get on with it , it's called progress jasonwatford
  • Score: -29

8:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

JohnnyHornet says...

Phil Cox (UKIP) wrote:
Best wishes to SJT and the team!
One of the things that people are not seeing is the potential for "Green belt land grabs " for the UK to build 1000's more homes for our ever growing population. Something that even 10 years ago would have been totally unthinkable.
[quote][p][bold]Phil Cox (UKIP)[/bold] wrote: Best wishes to SJT and the team![/p][/quote]One of the things that people are not seeing is the potential for "Green belt land grabs " for the UK to build 1000's more homes for our ever growing population. Something that even 10 years ago would have been totally unthinkable. JohnnyHornet
  • Score: 11

9:09pm Thu 17 Jul 14

#luvreadingthesamemuppetscommentingasexperts says...

For god sake move on and build the Campus, it will benefit generations to come, what does an old allotment more a kin to a dump do for anyone, they have been offered another plot elsewhere anyway to grow there dumped old freezers, basins, oil drums and any other tat found down there!! do gooders with nothing better to moan about while reading their mags in the sheds, or plotting more campaigns over the morning coffees huddled round the Sweet peas........
For god sake move on and build the Campus, it will benefit generations to come, what does an old allotment more a kin to a dump do for anyone, they have been offered another plot elsewhere anyway to grow there dumped old freezers, basins, oil drums and any other tat found down there!! do gooders with nothing better to moan about while reading their mags in the sheds, or plotting more campaigns over the morning coffees huddled round the Sweet peas........ #luvreadingthesamemuppetscommentingasexperts
  • Score: -41

10:19pm Thu 17 Jul 14

MaryWatford says...

How much more time & money is going to be spent on this issue? Just allow progress and be done with it.
How much more time & money is going to be spent on this issue? Just allow progress and be done with it. MaryWatford
  • Score: -31

11:17pm Thu 17 Jul 14

ancientandageing says...

MaryWatford wrote:
How much more time & money is going to be spent on this issue? Just allow progress and be done with it.
The problem is that progress at a price, the price being first and foremost ignoring Laws put there to protect the interest of the common woman or man, doing so cynically in the knowledge that the only way to enforce the Law (judicial review) is beyond the reach of the common man or woman. The price being that the LA knows that it need only give scant Lip service to the people directly affected by its decisions, and thereby turn democracy to the tyranny of the majority. The price being that the progress is gained on a false promise in that there is no improved health facilities in the plan. Furthermore the price is that a green space is being gobbled up for a car park. The price being that our heritage as epitomised in recently commissioned street sculpture is being destroyed. The price being that the power of the people, that is the power of the demos to protect what is theirs is usurped, that is democracy the rule of the people or demos is torn asunder.
I hear that in days gone by the doubters said it could not be done but Sara and the farm terrace fight club have made it clear they shall fight the tyrants in the council meetings, fight them in the hustings, fight them on the terrace and fight them in the courts, for this is a fight for all allotments they will never surrender; it future years it shall be said never in the field of allotment gardening has so much be owed by so many to so few
and to my UKIP devotees welcome aboard the bandwagon :-O
[quote][p][bold]MaryWatford[/bold] wrote: How much more time & money is going to be spent on this issue? Just allow progress and be done with it.[/p][/quote]The problem is that progress at a price, the price being first and foremost ignoring Laws put there to protect the interest of the common woman or man, doing so cynically in the knowledge that the only way to enforce the Law (judicial review) is beyond the reach of the common man or woman. The price being that the LA knows that it need only give scant Lip service to the people directly affected by its decisions, and thereby turn democracy to the tyranny of the majority. The price being that the progress is gained on a false promise in that there is no improved health facilities in the plan. Furthermore the price is that a green space is being gobbled up for a car park. The price being that our heritage as epitomised in recently commissioned street sculpture is being destroyed. The price being that the power of the people, that is the power of the demos to protect what is theirs is usurped, that is democracy the rule of the people or demos is torn asunder. I hear that in days gone by the doubters said it could not be done but Sara and the farm terrace fight club have made it clear they shall fight the tyrants in the council meetings, fight them in the hustings, fight them on the terrace and fight them in the courts, for this is a fight for all allotments they will never surrender; it future years it shall be said never in the field of allotment gardening has so much be owed by so many to so few and to my UKIP devotees welcome aboard the bandwagon :-O ancientandageing
  • Score: 16

2:48am Fri 18 Jul 14

Veritas says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Just get on with it , it's called progress
Get on with what? Telling more lies!!!!!! Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob.

Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about
the Wealth campus?

Lets not be naïve about this!! Pickles is not going to roll over, he is to fat to turn!

West Watford is full, and a dodgy housing estate on the flood plain is not on!!

What gets us, us the sheer audacity, like a snake oil salesman, Dotty and her cronies are, make up lies, and try and bully residents to take away these allotments.

Problem is there are lots of other places around Watford being over developed.

Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy
decisions go through.

9 plus flats on Percy rd. opp a Holy Rood Church, with no parking provision, yet more greed, as the property has parking at present. So why build extra flats?

We hear none of the dodgy councillors who frequent that establishment
drive there, imagine how congested it is going to be at worship times!!

Oh and Cllr Sharpe was heard to be stuttering all over the place at the planning meeting, he also looked a bit worried, maybe he knows times up!!!
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Just get on with it , it's called progress[/p][/quote]Get on with what? Telling more lies!!!!!! Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob. Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about the Wealth campus? Lets not be naïve about this!! Pickles is not going to roll over, he is to fat to turn! West Watford is full, and a dodgy housing estate on the flood plain is not on!! What gets us, us the sheer audacity, like a snake oil salesman, Dotty and her cronies are, make up lies, and try and bully residents to take away these allotments. Problem is there are lots of other places around Watford being over developed. Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy decisions go through. 9 plus flats on Percy rd. opp a Holy Rood Church, with no parking provision, yet more greed, as the property has parking at present. So why build extra flats? We hear none of the dodgy councillors who frequent that establishment drive there, imagine how congested it is going to be at worship times!! Oh and Cllr Sharpe was heard to be stuttering all over the place at the planning meeting, he also looked a bit worried, maybe he knows times up!!! Veritas
  • Score: 14

9:43am Fri 18 Jul 14

Cuetip says...

I hear to rub salt into the wealth campus I hear it’s being renamed ‘Pig in a Poke’ as there will be no new hospital but a couple of annexes , a 'classy' car park for WFC , ‘affordable housing’ and of course lots of lolly with the promise of some ‘trickle down’ to the masses.


NASCOT, you should check your facts on the Cllrs who opposed this scheme as it is clearly driven by Cons / Lib coalition as you must clearly know, with your friend – MP Harrington – gaily leading the charge as with every developers’ screw the term, Localism looks more and more knackered.
I hear to rub salt into the wealth campus I hear it’s being renamed ‘Pig in a Poke’ as there will be no new hospital but a couple of annexes , a 'classy' car park for WFC , ‘affordable housing’ and of course lots of lolly with the promise of some ‘trickle down’ to the masses. NASCOT, you should check your facts on the Cllrs who opposed this scheme as it is clearly driven by Cons / Lib coalition as you must clearly know, with your friend – MP Harrington – gaily leading the charge as with every developers’ screw the term, Localism looks more and more knackered. Cuetip
  • Score: 11

9:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

jasonwatford says...

Veritas wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Just get on with it , it's called progress
Get on with what? Telling more lies!!!!!! Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob.

Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about
the Wealth campus?

Lets not be naïve about this!! Pickles is not going to roll over, he is to fat to turn!

West Watford is full, and a dodgy housing estate on the flood plain is not on!!

What gets us, us the sheer audacity, like a snake oil salesman, Dotty and her cronies are, make up lies, and try and bully residents to take away these allotments.

Problem is there are lots of other places around Watford being over developed.

Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy
decisions go through.

9 plus flats on Percy rd. opp a Holy Rood Church, with no parking provision, yet more greed, as the property has parking at present. So why build extra flats?

We hear none of the dodgy councillors who frequent that establishment
drive there, imagine how congested it is going to be at worship times!!

Oh and Cllr Sharpe was heard to be stuttering all over the place at the planning meeting, he also looked a bit worried, maybe he knows times up!!!
This will happen , just get on with it
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Just get on with it , it's called progress[/p][/quote]Get on with what? Telling more lies!!!!!! Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob. Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about the Wealth campus? Lets not be naïve about this!! Pickles is not going to roll over, he is to fat to turn! West Watford is full, and a dodgy housing estate on the flood plain is not on!! What gets us, us the sheer audacity, like a snake oil salesman, Dotty and her cronies are, make up lies, and try and bully residents to take away these allotments. Problem is there are lots of other places around Watford being over developed. Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy decisions go through. 9 plus flats on Percy rd. opp a Holy Rood Church, with no parking provision, yet more greed, as the property has parking at present. So why build extra flats? We hear none of the dodgy councillors who frequent that establishment drive there, imagine how congested it is going to be at worship times!! Oh and Cllr Sharpe was heard to be stuttering all over the place at the planning meeting, he also looked a bit worried, maybe he knows times up!!![/p][/quote]This will happen , just get on with it jasonwatford
  • Score: -18

9:58am Fri 18 Jul 14

garston tony says...

For me when I hear the use of the words ‘back down’ it indicates to me that someone is in the wrong, maybe Mr Pickles isn’t ‘backing down’ because he’s actually right?

Either way the use of the words ‘back down’ seem to me for some reason overly aggressive and inflammatory and biased by the WO
For me when I hear the use of the words ‘back down’ it indicates to me that someone is in the wrong, maybe Mr Pickles isn’t ‘backing down’ because he’s actually right? Either way the use of the words ‘back down’ seem to me for some reason overly aggressive and inflammatory and biased by the WO garston tony
  • Score: -23

10:43am Fri 18 Jul 14

Andrew Turpie says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Veritas wrote:
jasonwatford wrote:
Just get on with it , it's called progress
Get on with what? Telling more lies!!!!!! Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob.

Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about
the Wealth campus?

Lets not be naïve about this!! Pickles is not going to roll over, he is to fat to turn!

West Watford is full, and a dodgy housing estate on the flood plain is not on!!

What gets us, us the sheer audacity, like a snake oil salesman, Dotty and her cronies are, make up lies, and try and bully residents to take away these allotments.

Problem is there are lots of other places around Watford being over developed.

Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy
decisions go through.

9 plus flats on Percy rd. opp a Holy Rood Church, with no parking provision, yet more greed, as the property has parking at present. So why build extra flats?

We hear none of the dodgy councillors who frequent that establishment
drive there, imagine how congested it is going to be at worship times!!

Oh and Cllr Sharpe was heard to be stuttering all over the place at the planning meeting, he also looked a bit worried, maybe he knows times up!!!
This will happen , just get on with it
Can you provide us with a list of benefits then?
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Just get on with it , it's called progress[/p][/quote]Get on with what? Telling more lies!!!!!! Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob. Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about the Wealth campus? Lets not be naïve about this!! Pickles is not going to roll over, he is to fat to turn! West Watford is full, and a dodgy housing estate on the flood plain is not on!! What gets us, us the sheer audacity, like a snake oil salesman, Dotty and her cronies are, make up lies, and try and bully residents to take away these allotments. Problem is there are lots of other places around Watford being over developed. Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy decisions go through. 9 plus flats on Percy rd. opp a Holy Rood Church, with no parking provision, yet more greed, as the property has parking at present. So why build extra flats? We hear none of the dodgy councillors who frequent that establishment drive there, imagine how congested it is going to be at worship times!! Oh and Cllr Sharpe was heard to be stuttering all over the place at the planning meeting, he also looked a bit worried, maybe he knows times up!!![/p][/quote]This will happen , just get on with it[/p][/quote]Can you provide us with a list of benefits then? Andrew Turpie
  • Score: 9

10:56am Fri 18 Jul 14

Veritas says...

we think Dotty has got herself into a real pickle!!!

Biased Watford Observer, never!!!!!!!!!! This is a provincial rag get real.
Glad the Fib Dem spin Machine is worried
we think Dotty has got herself into a real pickle!!! Biased Watford Observer, never!!!!!!!!!! This is a provincial rag get real. Glad the Fib Dem spin Machine is worried Veritas
  • Score: 12

11:03am Fri 18 Jul 14

Andrew Turpie says...

I can never remember the WO asking Sara Jane to do a piece on behalf of the residents/allotment holders or the voters which plights have been ignored.

Why is this?
I can never remember the WO asking Sara Jane to do a piece on behalf of the residents/allotment holders or the voters which plights have been ignored. Why is this? Andrew Turpie
  • Score: 15

11:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

TRT says...

The most surprising thing about this, to me, is Eric Pickles actually agreeing to get rid of somewhere where they grow food.
The most surprising thing about this, to me, is Eric Pickles actually agreeing to get rid of somewhere where they grow food. TRT
  • Score: 13

12:32pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Veritas says...

#luvreadingthesamemu
ppetscommentingasexp
erts
wrote:
For god sake move on and build the Campus, it will benefit generations to come, what does an old allotment more a kin to a dump do for anyone, they have been offered another plot elsewhere anyway to grow there dumped old freezers, basins, oil drums and any other tat found down there!! do gooders with nothing better to moan about while reading their mags in the sheds, or plotting more campaigns over the morning coffees huddled round the Sweet peas........
Glad to see you are not cheeky enough to call it a "Health"
campus, as it has all to do with Wealth for a few Dodgy people.

Hope someone is keeping a record of all the Dodgy Letters from Fib Dem Councillor's going on a bout Hospital or Allotments as it has been
proven to be all lies and Spin.

The Police were called into to look at the Labour Mayoral Candidate

It is only right they look into Watford Council Planning Dept and
Councillors to see if they have gained anything from Dodgy Developers.
[quote][p][bold]#luvreadingthesamemu ppetscommentingasexp erts[/bold] wrote: For god sake move on and build the Campus, it will benefit generations to come, what does an old allotment more a kin to a dump do for anyone, they have been offered another plot elsewhere anyway to grow there dumped old freezers, basins, oil drums and any other tat found down there!! do gooders with nothing better to moan about while reading their mags in the sheds, or plotting more campaigns over the morning coffees huddled round the Sweet peas........[/p][/quote]Glad to see you are not cheeky enough to call it a "Health" campus, as it has all to do with Wealth for a few Dodgy people. Hope someone is keeping a record of all the Dodgy Letters from Fib Dem Councillor's going on a bout Hospital or Allotments as it has been proven to be all lies and Spin. The Police were called into to look at the Labour Mayoral Candidate It is only right they look into Watford Council Planning Dept and Councillors to see if they have gained anything from Dodgy Developers. Veritas
  • Score: 8

12:57pm Fri 18 Jul 14

D_Penn says...

The council have spent a decade building new dwellings all over Watford. It is so easy to do, one quick vote another green space eradicated and dozens or hundreds of new flats appear. There is no appreciation that what is nigh impossible is to get new land. No amount of council desire in the future is going to ever be able to create new open spaces for people to enjoy. Once a green area is gone, it's gone for good.

Future generations will look back at old pictures of Watford and wonder how in such a short period of time it went from a pleasant town with a nice mix of homes and green spaces into one giant housing estate. I'm sure that they will not judge our recent and current councillors kindly.

Let's hope the High Court will at least force the dumping of this raid on our precious dwindling connection with nature, because at the rate building is still going on, it may be the only non-parkland green space left in Watford within twenty years.
The council have spent a decade building new dwellings all over Watford. It is so easy to do, one quick vote another green space eradicated and dozens or hundreds of new flats appear. There is no appreciation that what is nigh impossible is to get new land. No amount of council desire in the future is going to ever be able to create new open spaces for people to enjoy. Once a green area is gone, it's gone for good. Future generations will look back at old pictures of Watford and wonder how in such a short period of time it went from a pleasant town with a nice mix of homes and green spaces into one giant housing estate. I'm sure that they will not judge our recent and current councillors kindly. Let's hope the High Court will at least force the dumping of this raid on our precious dwindling connection with nature, because at the rate building is still going on, it may be the only non-parkland green space left in Watford within twenty years. D_Penn
  • Score: 9

1:01pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Cuetip says...

Veritas wrote:
we think Dotty has got herself into a real pickle!!!

Biased Watford Observer, never!!!!!!!!!! This is a provincial rag get real.
Glad the Fib Dem spin Machine is worried
Veitas … ‘Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob.
Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about
the Wealth campus?’

I’m just wondering what probing questions you have in mind that Labour should be asking of the Con Lib coalition.

You seem to have an obsession with focussing on the mayor. Surely to avoid holding a prejudiced view, your fire should also be directed on the Conservative MP – a former property developer - given his keenness to hustle this wealth development through on supposedly sacrosanct allotment land.
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: we think Dotty has got herself into a real pickle!!! Biased Watford Observer, never!!!!!!!!!! This is a provincial rag get real. Glad the Fib Dem spin Machine is worried[/p][/quote]Veitas … ‘Its very disturbing no opposition Cllrs counteracting these lies, its almost as if they are too scared of Dottys motley mob. Could the labour group not have asked more probing questions about the Wealth campus?’ I’m just wondering what probing questions you have in mind that Labour should be asking of the Con Lib coalition. You seem to have an obsession with focussing on the mayor. Surely to avoid holding a prejudiced view, your fire should also be directed on the Conservative MP – a former property developer - given his keenness to hustle this wealth development through on supposedly sacrosanct allotment land. Cuetip
  • Score: 2

1:55pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Watfordengineer says...

I think alot of blame here is with the hospital trust that hasn't committed to the new hospital buildings. If they put some shiny new buildings over the allotment land and made it clear what it was for I don't think people would have lost faith in the scheme. but currently it is in trouble because it isn't a health campus because there is no definitive health care benefits other than a good road!
I think alot of blame here is with the hospital trust that hasn't committed to the new hospital buildings. If they put some shiny new buildings over the allotment land and made it clear what it was for I don't think people would have lost faith in the scheme. but currently it is in trouble because it isn't a health campus because there is no definitive health care benefits other than a good road! Watfordengineer
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Fri 18 Jul 14

TRT says...

Watfordengineer wrote:
I think alot of blame here is with the hospital trust that hasn't committed to the new hospital buildings. If they put some shiny new buildings over the allotment land and made it clear what it was for I don't think people would have lost faith in the scheme. but currently it is in trouble because it isn't a health campus because there is no definitive health care benefits other than a good road!
Pah to their "good road".
The health trust insisted that they concrete over part of Oxhey Park to build an upgraded link road into the motorway network before any capacity increases to the hospital. In my mind that's an admission of the fact that the hospital is in the wrong place as it is. For a hospital of that size, with acute admissions, with access from a network of 30mph local roads and traffic congestion most of the time, it could only ever hope to serve a radius of 5 to 10 miles. What they are planning to do with that road is only going to make traffic far worse at Bushey Arches, along Eastbury Road and on Lower High Street. Seems paradoxical perhaps, but you get that sometimes when you introduce new pathways in a complex network.
[quote][p][bold]Watfordengineer[/bold] wrote: I think alot of blame here is with the hospital trust that hasn't committed to the new hospital buildings. If they put some shiny new buildings over the allotment land and made it clear what it was for I don't think people would have lost faith in the scheme. but currently it is in trouble because it isn't a health campus because there is no definitive health care benefits other than a good road![/p][/quote]Pah to their "good road". The health trust insisted that they concrete over part of Oxhey Park to build an upgraded link road into the motorway network before any capacity increases to the hospital. In my mind that's an admission of the fact that the hospital is in the wrong place as it is. For a hospital of that size, with acute admissions, with access from a network of 30mph local roads and traffic congestion most of the time, it could only ever hope to serve a radius of 5 to 10 miles. What they are planning to do with that road is only going to make traffic far worse at Bushey Arches, along Eastbury Road and on Lower High Street. Seems paradoxical perhaps, but you get that sometimes when you introduce new pathways in a complex network. TRT
  • Score: 9

6:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

ancientandageing says...

I seense the Dotty one has honeyed words and evil mind, that she seeks to raise the mob against the allotmenteers with smoke and mirror deceptions and chimera of false promise and hope what woes await the town if she gets here way. I fear only she and Euripides know.
I seense the Dotty one has honeyed words and evil mind, that she seeks to raise the mob against the allotmenteers with smoke and mirror deceptions and chimera of false promise and hope what woes await the town if she gets here way. I fear only she and Euripides know. ancientandageing
  • Score: 4

7:00pm Fri 18 Jul 14

ancientandageing says...

or maybe as no one will rad this:-

I sense the Dotty one has honeyed words and evil mind
That she seeks to raise the mob against the allotmenteers
To smight them with unballanced scales
With smoke and mirror deceptions
chimera of false promise and hope
What woes await the town if she gets her way
Only she and Euripides know.
or maybe as no one will rad this:- I sense the Dotty one has honeyed words and evil mind That she seeks to raise the mob against the allotmenteers To smight them with unballanced scales With smoke and mirror deceptions chimera of false promise and hope What woes await the town if she gets her way Only she and Euripides know. ancientandageing
  • Score: 4

11:08am Sat 19 Jul 14

#UKMum says...

"Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy
decisions go through."

Members of the Public should not HAVE to attend meetings of the Planning Committee to scrutinize the 'goings on'. 'Members of the Public' are however talking to the wider Watford Community about just what has been revealed by the Farm Tce Allotments legal team with regards to the lies told by the current administration about this particular Housing Development.
"Thursday evening the Dodgy planning Committee, were mulling over their latest dodgy decisions, and we are told there were no members of the public there to protest. So you then wonder why all these dodgy decisions go through." Members of the Public should not HAVE to attend meetings of the Planning Committee to scrutinize the 'goings on'. 'Members of the Public' are however talking to the wider Watford Community about just what has been revealed by the Farm Tce Allotments legal team with regards to the lies told by the current administration about this particular Housing Development. #UKMum
  • Score: 7

12:23pm Sat 19 Jul 14

#UKMum says...

"So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)"

A bit more lively than that - one musician has suggested
"Tools Out For Summer" and I think someone else has an electric guitar. Oh well we'll have to wait and see I guess.
"So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)" A bit more lively than that - one musician has suggested "Tools Out For Summer" and I think someone else has an electric guitar. Oh well we'll have to wait and see I guess. #UKMum
  • Score: 0

3:18pm Sat 19 Jul 14

ancientandageing says...

#UKMum wrote:
"So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)"

A bit more lively than that - one musician has suggested
"Tools Out For Summer" and I think someone else has an electric guitar. Oh well we'll have to wait and see I guess.
shame I was hopeing for a riot (musically) of Mandolin, hurdy gurdy, fiddles and the odd flute, jaw harp and mouth organ
[quote][p][bold]#UKMum[/bold] wrote: "So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)" A bit more lively than that - one musician has suggested "Tools Out For Summer" and I think someone else has an electric guitar. Oh well we'll have to wait and see I guess.[/p][/quote]shame I was hopeing for a riot (musically) of Mandolin, hurdy gurdy, fiddles and the odd flute, jaw harp and mouth organ ancientandageing
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Sat 19 Jul 14

sjtrebar says...

ancientandageing wrote:
#UKMum wrote:
"So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)"

A bit more lively than that - one musician has suggested
"Tools Out For Summer" and I think someone else has an electric guitar. Oh well we'll have to wait and see I guess.
shame I was hopeing for a riot (musically) of Mandolin, hurdy gurdy, fiddles and the odd flute, jaw harp and mouth organ
I will put out a 'PlEA' and aPEAl to any musicians out there!
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]#UKMum[/bold] wrote: "So Sara for the peas full protest have you put a call out for wondering minstrels to come on down for a Pea Jam session ( bit of a streach really but there is such a thing as Pea jelly I think)" A bit more lively than that - one musician has suggested "Tools Out For Summer" and I think someone else has an electric guitar. Oh well we'll have to wait and see I guess.[/p][/quote]shame I was hopeing for a riot (musically) of Mandolin, hurdy gurdy, fiddles and the odd flute, jaw harp and mouth organ[/p][/quote]I will put out a 'PlEA' and aPEAl to any musicians out there! sjtrebar
  • Score: 4

6:36pm Sat 19 Jul 14

sjtrebar says...

Tomorrow, Sunday 20th from 2pm onwards we will be on Farm Terrace Allotments (On the top road) having a 'Pre Court get together' to make: Placards, banners, Signs, Scarecrows and other paraphernalia! If you would like to come along please do! We would welcome any materials you may have lying around to help us make the above and we will probably finish off about 5pm with a few 'refreshments' So bring what you can or just pop down to say Hello and wish us luck!
Tomorrow, Sunday 20th from 2pm onwards we will be on Farm Terrace Allotments (On the top road) having a 'Pre Court get together' to make: Placards, banners, Signs, Scarecrows and other paraphernalia! If you would like to come along please do! We would welcome any materials you may have lying around to help us make the above and we will probably finish off about 5pm with a few 'refreshments' So bring what you can or just pop down to say Hello and wish us luck! sjtrebar
  • Score: 5

8:52pm Sat 19 Jul 14

theturpster says...

Just thought I would check up on my request for Jasonwatford and other pro campus individuals for a list of benefits the local community would receive from this project and as I guessed, not one supplied, zilch, nix, nada. Will check again next week.
Just thought I would check up on my request for Jasonwatford and other pro campus individuals for a list of benefits the local community would receive from this project and as I guessed, not one supplied, zilch, nix, nada. Will check again next week. theturpster
  • Score: 9

10:58am Sun 20 Jul 14

sjtrebar says...

We are in today's Independent on Sunday pg 18 http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/property/ga
rdening/gardeners-fi
ght-government-plans
-to-build-on-their-a
llotments-9616924.ht
ml It is still a shame that Watford makes the national newspapers for all the wrong reasons!
We are in today's Independent on Sunday pg 18 http://www.independe nt.co.uk/property/ga rdening/gardeners-fi ght-government-plans -to-build-on-their-a llotments-9616924.ht ml It is still a shame that Watford makes the national newspapers for all the wrong reasons! sjtrebar
  • Score: 5

9:09am Mon 21 Jul 14

POVIEW says...

So Dot is delighted that a 6 or 7 house development, close to her home, has been stopped by local opposition. Why does she think that West Watford residents want 750 NEW DWELLINGS stuffed in behind the football club?
So Dot is delighted that a 6 or 7 house development, close to her home, has been stopped by local opposition. Why does she think that West Watford residents want 750 NEW DWELLINGS stuffed in behind the football club? POVIEW
  • Score: 8

3:08pm Mon 21 Jul 14

#UKMum says...

Farm Terrace Allotments being discussed in WBC Cabinet
Wednesday, 23rd July, 2014 7.00 pm

All MS of the P welcome!
http://watford.moder
ngov.co.uk/ieListDoc
uments.aspx?CId=121&
MId=1358
Farm Terrace Allotments being discussed in WBC Cabinet Wednesday, 23rd July, 2014 7.00 pm All MS of the P welcome! http://watford.moder ngov.co.uk/ieListDoc uments.aspx?CId=121& MId=1358 #UKMum
  • Score: 0

9:24pm Thu 24 Jul 14

POVIEW says...

jasonwatford wrote:
Just get on with it , it's called progress
Poview. OSTRICH!! Wake- up & see what is really going on.
[quote][p][bold]jasonwatford[/bold] wrote: Just get on with it , it's called progress[/p][/quote]Poview. OSTRICH!! Wake- up & see what is really going on. POVIEW
  • Score: 0

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