Four men cleared of affray in Watford town centre after being ejected from Walkabout bar

Four men cleared of affray in Watford town centre after being ejected from Walkabout bar

Four men cleared of affray in Watford town centre after being ejected from Walkabout bar

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Four men have been cleared of affray in Watford town centre after they were ejected from the Walkabout bar.

Ben Collins, 26, of Mundesley Close, Watford; Jack Hawton-Hill, 20, of Radlett Road, Watford; Calum O'Connor, 24, of Tudor Avenue, Watford and Luke Pocetty, 26, of Meadow Road, Watford, all denied affray on April 21 last year and were cleared by the jury.

The group, who were from the Tudor Arms Football Club in Bushey Mill Lane, had been identified wrongly as being involved in trouble inside the bar, St Albans crown court was told.

While door staff went back inside to find the men involved, trouble broke out involving the Tudor Arms group and two music promoters who had been ejected just before them.

Walkabout's Head Door Supervisor Michael Collins told the jury that he and a colleague were on duty at the entrance to the bar when they got a call to go inside as a "fight was kicking off".

He went on: "Two black guys were having aggro. We took them outside. They said they weren't the ones fighting. We went back in and talked to bar staff and picked out a group of guys - all white and well dressed. They were wearing white shirts and red ties. We took them out."

But he said the two men they ejected first said they were not the men who had been causing the trouble. Mr Collins and his colleague went back inside, but could not find the men. When they went back outside he said a fight had broken out. He said a light skinned black man was curled up in a foetal position being kicked. 

He ran over and pulled people out of the way before a punch missed him by a millimetre and connected with one of the group, who "fell like a sack of potatoes".

Mr Collins said he cradled the man who had been knocked out cold for 20 seconds. A girl was screaming and he said at first he thought the man had cracked his skull on the cobbles as he saw blood flowing. He then realised he was bleeding from his mouth. He said an ambulance arrived, but the man did not want to be treated. When the police got there he said the group scattered. 

Prosecutor Sonya Saul said the trouble started at around a quarter to midnight. She played CCTV footage to the jury of seven men and five women which showed fighting in the street outside the club involving a large number of people. She alleged the four defendants could be identified from the footage.

When he was arrested on July 3 last year, O'Connor told the police he could not remember a lot as he was knocked out. He said he had played for the Tudor Arms that day and was happy on the night out. He said he had six or seven beers that night, but was not drunk. He told the officer he was in the "wrong place at the wrong time."

Luke Pocetty made no comment. Ben Collins said he had also played for the Tudor Arms and had drunk four or five pints. Jack Hawton-Hill said he was acting in self defence and threw punches to protect himself.

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9:13am Wed 6 Aug 14

LocalBoy1 says...

What a wonderful place Watford Parade has become now that it is a boozers paradise. What was it Dotty said, pavement cafes family orientated, family events? yeah right. Even police wont walk through the Parade late at night unless they are in pairs.
What a wonderful place Watford Parade has become now that it is a boozers paradise. What was it Dotty said, pavement cafes family orientated, family events? yeah right. Even police wont walk through the Parade late at night unless they are in pairs. LocalBoy1
  • Score: 5

11:43am Wed 6 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident".
People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less.
Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime.

MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD!
It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident". People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less. Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime. MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD! CaptainPC
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Wed 6 Aug 14

LocalBoy1 says...

CaptainPC wrote:
It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident".
People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less.
Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime.

MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD!
I used to go clubbing in Newcastle, now there you expect agro and you surely can find it, it's part of the Newcastle character and Glasgow for that mater, but disappointed to see the town I have spent most of my life in going the same way in the Parade. Man up Watford? you wait till it's your daughter or granddaughter caught up in the binge drinking brawls. As for this behaviour in the town pubs of Watford 50 years ago? No it wasn't, they were usually only drunk, now they often have to deal with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol. Challenging authority has now become a badge of honour, especially if it's a copper. No 50 years ago definitely wasn't the same.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident". People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less. Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime. MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD![/p][/quote]I used to go clubbing in Newcastle, now there you expect agro and you surely can find it, it's part of the Newcastle character and Glasgow for that mater, but disappointed to see the town I have spent most of my life in going the same way in the Parade. Man up Watford? you wait till it's your daughter or granddaughter caught up in the binge drinking brawls. As for this behaviour in the town pubs of Watford 50 years ago? No it wasn't, they were usually only drunk, now they often have to deal with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol. Challenging authority has now become a badge of honour, especially if it's a copper. No 50 years ago definitely wasn't the same. LocalBoy1
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12:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Free the P says...

CaptainPC wrote:
It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident".
People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less.
Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime.

MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD!
Are you of the mind set that it is perfectly acceptable to encounter violence whilst out drinking in your local town centre?

Do you suppose we should all embrace thuggish behaviour without question?

What next prey tell? less interfering with your four legged friend please, its starting to rot your brain...
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident". People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less. Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime. MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD![/p][/quote]Are you of the mind set that it is perfectly acceptable to encounter violence whilst out drinking in your local town centre? Do you suppose we should all embrace thuggish behaviour without question? What next prey tell? less interfering with your four legged friend please, its starting to rot your brain... Free the P
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

LocalBoy1 wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident".
People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less.
Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime.

MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD!
I used to go clubbing in Newcastle, now there you expect agro and you surely can find it, it's part of the Newcastle character and Glasgow for that mater, but disappointed to see the town I have spent most of my life in going the same way in the Parade. Man up Watford? you wait till it's your daughter or granddaughter caught up in the binge drinking brawls. As for this behaviour in the town pubs of Watford 50 years ago? No it wasn't, they were usually only drunk, now they often have to deal with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol. Challenging authority has now become a badge of honour, especially if it's a copper. No 50 years ago definitely wasn't the same.
If people gfo to these places there is the chance they will get caught up in violence. It's part of life.

I'm not honestly old enough to remember 50 years ago, but 25 years ago the Town Centre at night was a violent place. There was at least one murder, several stabbing and glassing was de riguer.

When was the last time someone couldn't walk away from injuries sustained in a fight in the TC?

Bunch of pansies IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident". People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less. Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime. MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD![/p][/quote]I used to go clubbing in Newcastle, now there you expect agro and you surely can find it, it's part of the Newcastle character and Glasgow for that mater, but disappointed to see the town I have spent most of my life in going the same way in the Parade. Man up Watford? you wait till it's your daughter or granddaughter caught up in the binge drinking brawls. As for this behaviour in the town pubs of Watford 50 years ago? No it wasn't, they were usually only drunk, now they often have to deal with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol. Challenging authority has now become a badge of honour, especially if it's a copper. No 50 years ago definitely wasn't the same.[/p][/quote]If people gfo to these places there is the chance they will get caught up in violence. It's part of life. I'm not honestly old enough to remember 50 years ago, but 25 years ago the Town Centre at night was a violent place. There was at least one murder, several stabbing and glassing was de riguer. When was the last time someone couldn't walk away from injuries sustained in a fight in the TC? Bunch of pansies IMHO. CaptainPC
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3:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

LocalBoy1 says...

CaptainPC wrote:
LocalBoy1 wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident".
People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less.
Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime.

MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD!
I used to go clubbing in Newcastle, now there you expect agro and you surely can find it, it's part of the Newcastle character and Glasgow for that mater, but disappointed to see the town I have spent most of my life in going the same way in the Parade. Man up Watford? you wait till it's your daughter or granddaughter caught up in the binge drinking brawls. As for this behaviour in the town pubs of Watford 50 years ago? No it wasn't, they were usually only drunk, now they often have to deal with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol. Challenging authority has now become a badge of honour, especially if it's a copper. No 50 years ago definitely wasn't the same.
If people gfo to these places there is the chance they will get caught up in violence. It's part of life.

I'm not honestly old enough to remember 50 years ago, but 25 years ago the Town Centre at night was a violent place. There was at least one murder, several stabbing and glassing was de riguer.

When was the last time someone couldn't walk away from injuries sustained in a fight in the TC?

Bunch of pansies IMHO.
I will make sure I avoid you should I choose to have a drink in the Parade. It may be part of your life, it's not part of mine.... So I will leave you to revel in your violent pseudo thug world.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LocalBoy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: It's not that bad. It's just more publicised and CCTV means everything becomes a "incident". People have been getting glassed in town centre pubs for 50 years they just they used to whing about it less. Violence in and around pubs is a great English tradition like jelly and custard or the pantomime. MAN THE F*** UP WATFORD![/p][/quote]I used to go clubbing in Newcastle, now there you expect agro and you surely can find it, it's part of the Newcastle character and Glasgow for that mater, but disappointed to see the town I have spent most of my life in going the same way in the Parade. Man up Watford? you wait till it's your daughter or granddaughter caught up in the binge drinking brawls. As for this behaviour in the town pubs of Watford 50 years ago? No it wasn't, they were usually only drunk, now they often have to deal with a cocktail of drugs and alcohol. Challenging authority has now become a badge of honour, especially if it's a copper. No 50 years ago definitely wasn't the same.[/p][/quote]If people gfo to these places there is the chance they will get caught up in violence. It's part of life. I'm not honestly old enough to remember 50 years ago, but 25 years ago the Town Centre at night was a violent place. There was at least one murder, several stabbing and glassing was de riguer. When was the last time someone couldn't walk away from injuries sustained in a fight in the TC? Bunch of pansies IMHO.[/p][/quote]I will make sure I avoid you should I choose to have a drink in the Parade. It may be part of your life, it's not part of mine.... So I will leave you to revel in your violent pseudo thug world. LocalBoy1
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