Possible Crossrail stop in Watford 'will not compete with Croxley Rail Link'

Possible Crossrail stop in Watford 'will not compete with Croxley Rail Link'

Possible Crossrail stop in Watford 'will not compete with Croxley Rail Link'

First published in News Watford Observer: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Reporter

The extensive Crossrail project may stop at Watford Junction, the Government announced yesterday.

A fesability study into the new proposals to connect Hertfordshire to the Crossrail project has been launched.

These involve running the new HS2 line through Watford Junction to link the station to Old Oak Common.

The study will take place over the next few months with the aim of gaining a clear picture of potential construction, how the link could work, and how viable the link is.

If it goes ahead, journey times would be reduced by 13 minutes to Liverpool Street and by 12 minutes to Canary Wharf from Watford Junction.

It would mean passengers would no longer need to change at Euston Station, which is due to be redeveloped in the coming years.

If these changes go forward it would not affect the timetable or planned service pattern for the existing Crossrail scheme, scheduled to be fully operational by 2019.

Watford MP Richard Harrington welcomed the announcement, saying it would tie in with the new Croxley Rail Link which relocates the Metropolitan Tube Line to Ascot Road.

He said: "This will link us into the whole Crossrail system. Now we are getting the Croxley Rail Link, Watford Junction is the natural next thing to do.

"These proposals will take about 15 minutes off journey times to the city and it doesn't cost that much to add us in.

"Croxley Rail Link will open first, within two years as an absolute maximum, and Crossrail after that - I don't think the two services will compete at all.

"It all ties in with the bigger plan of getting Watford Junction completely redeveloped."

Elected Mayor for Watford Dorothy Thornhill said the proposals will make Watford an integrated transport hub.

She said: "This is key to kick starting serious regeneration around Watford Junction, which have been stalled for a number of years.

"This, along with the new Croxley Rail Link, will make a better and fully integrated transport hub for our town. It's a long term solution."

Transport minister Patrick Mcloughlin said: "We are investing record amounts to build a world-class railway, so it is vital we seize every opportunity to make the most of these once in a generation schemes.

"That is why I have asked HS2 Limited to work closely with the Crossrail sponsors to look at extending Crossrail services to key destinations in Hertfordshire.

"I am pleased that Richard Harrington has joined me here today and given this his full backing, as this scheme could significantly open up transport links for Watford and I will continue to work with him as the study is undertaken over the next few months."

Other stations in Hertfordshire likely to benefit under the new plans include Tring, Hemel Hempstead and Harrow.

 

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12:50pm Thu 7 Aug 14

inside-watford says...

I like the idea and whilst it will have benefits there will be major flaws.

Let's start with the refurbishment that London Midland spent £1.3 million on. This forced extra traffic onto an already busy Woodford Road and made it random where to get a taxi from. It also caused much confusion for anybody arriving at the Junction who has never been there before or to people who haven't been there for a couple of years.

We have commercial buildings opposite which are deliberately left to rot so developers can justify turning them into, (yet more), flats. It happened at Bushey and soon the old hotel in Rickmonsworth.

The Flats of course generate the greatest profit, god forbid they should be parking, cab ranks, coffee shops or other useful things.

The whole layout of the area grinds everything to a halt, from the buses entering Woodford Road, the bus lane that was put in a number of years ago, the junction lights and the general busyness of Clarendon Road. The whole surrounding area needs to be looked at for any future plans and this shouldn't involve building more flats or houses.

The most logical idea was a few years back when they talked about switching the station around and accessing it via the Homebase side of St Albans Road. There is the space to do what you need there and in my view flatten Homebase to maximise the potential.

This however would cause an impact on St Albans Road which is too busy as it is at the moment. Having said that St Albans Road is in a great need of a regeneration as well.

Either way you can be sure that Watford Council, Herts County Council, London Midland, Network Rail and anybody else who is involved will not communicate with each other and it will be a shambles. This will naturally be at the public's expense and inconvenience and we will suffer in the long run.
I like the idea and whilst it will have benefits there will be major flaws. Let's start with the refurbishment that London Midland spent £1.3 million on. This forced extra traffic onto an already busy Woodford Road and made it random where to get a taxi from. It also caused much confusion for anybody arriving at the Junction who has never been there before or to people who haven't been there for a couple of years. We have commercial buildings opposite which are deliberately left to rot so developers can justify turning them into, (yet more), flats. It happened at Bushey and soon the old hotel in Rickmonsworth. The Flats of course generate the greatest profit, god forbid they should be parking, cab ranks, coffee shops or other useful things. The whole layout of the area grinds everything to a halt, from the buses entering Woodford Road, the bus lane that was put in a number of years ago, the junction lights and the general busyness of Clarendon Road. The whole surrounding area needs to be looked at for any future plans and this shouldn't involve building more flats or houses. The most logical idea was a few years back when they talked about switching the station around and accessing it via the Homebase side of St Albans Road. There is the space to do what you need there and in my view flatten Homebase to maximise the potential. This however would cause an impact on St Albans Road which is too busy as it is at the moment. Having said that St Albans Road is in a great need of a regeneration as well. Either way you can be sure that Watford Council, Herts County Council, London Midland, Network Rail and anybody else who is involved will not communicate with each other and it will be a shambles. This will naturally be at the public's expense and inconvenience and we will suffer in the long run. inside-watford
  • Score: 10

12:51pm Thu 7 Aug 14

clive77 says...

Good news overall if this happens, especially as it will encourage the significant redevelopment that Watford Junction has been crying out for. Although it should be kept in mind that should Crossrail reach Watford, it will result in the loss of the existing London Overground services which would need to be cut back to Willesden Junction or Queens Park.

This is all tied quite closely to the Government's HS2 plans,as it provides a commuter route from Hertfordshire into London during the huge disruption that the re-development of Euston will cause.
Good news overall if this happens, especially as it will encourage the significant redevelopment that Watford Junction has been crying out for. Although it should be kept in mind that should Crossrail reach Watford, it will result in the loss of the existing London Overground services which would need to be cut back to Willesden Junction or Queens Park. This is all tied quite closely to the Government's HS2 plans,as it provides a commuter route from Hertfordshire into London during the huge disruption that the re-development of Euston will cause. clive77
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Mad_Hat says...

Elected Mayor for Watford Dorothy Thornhill said..... "This is key to kick starting serious regeneration around Watford Junction, which have been stalled for a number of years.

Yes Dotty, and it stalled on your watch! There's been plenty of opportunity to consult with LM and redevelop properly but it's been a shambles each time.

This would also be the ideal opportunity to examine the Abbey Flyer provision too.... could redevelopment present the opportunity to extend the Met Line to St Albans (granted the current single track configuration prevents this)?
Elected Mayor for Watford Dorothy Thornhill said..... "This is key to kick starting serious regeneration around Watford Junction, which have been stalled for a number of years. Yes Dotty, and it stalled on your watch! There's been plenty of opportunity to consult with LM and redevelop properly but it's been a shambles each time. This would also be the ideal opportunity to examine the Abbey Flyer provision too.... could redevelopment present the opportunity to extend the Met Line to St Albans (granted the current single track configuration prevents this)? Mad_Hat
  • Score: 4

1:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Met_girl says...

So would this mean London Midland Trains lose more capacity on an already busy route? Whenever there is a problem London Midland, and all their humble commuters, lose out to Virgin trains who get line priority! So half empty trains run through whilst hundreds of commuters are left waiting.
If cross rail is to use the same (already congested) line then who will lose in the battle of the 'Line Problems'.
Will Crossrail be oyster friendly? HS1 costs a premium, who says Crossrail isn't going to pump up prices too.
So would this mean London Midland Trains lose more capacity on an already busy route? Whenever there is a problem London Midland, and all their humble commuters, lose out to Virgin trains who get line priority! So half empty trains run through whilst hundreds of commuters are left waiting. If cross rail is to use the same (already congested) line then who will lose in the battle of the 'Line Problems'. Will Crossrail be oyster friendly? HS1 costs a premium, who says Crossrail isn't going to pump up prices too. Met_girl
  • Score: 5

2:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

Not sure this would impact on London Overground which is a self contained railway to Watford Junction. however the London midland services will be split. With trains from Tring and stations south not going to Euston. LM services north of Tring would still go into Euston and presumably some would stop at Watford junction but no longer at stations like Harrow & Wealdstone. The impact of the Southern service to West London and clapham would be interesting too. With impacts on station capacity, this might also thwart more Virgin train services stopping at watford.
Not sure this would impact on London Overground which is a self contained railway to Watford Junction. however the London midland services will be split. With trains from Tring and stations south not going to Euston. LM services north of Tring would still go into Euston and presumably some would stop at Watford junction but no longer at stations like Harrow & Wealdstone. The impact of the Southern service to West London and clapham would be interesting too. With impacts on station capacity, this might also thwart more Virgin train services stopping at watford. Andrew1963
  • Score: 7

2:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

clive77 says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
Not sure this would impact on London Overground which is a self contained railway to Watford Junction. however the London midland services will be split. With trains from Tring and stations south not going to Euston. LM services north of Tring would still go into Euston and presumably some would stop at Watford junction but no longer at stations like Harrow & Wealdstone. The impact of the Southern service to West London and clapham would be interesting too. With impacts on station capacity, this might also thwart more Virgin train services stopping at watford.
Every previous Crossrail technical analysis which included the Watford option has required the take over of the DC lines at least in part to get from Old Oak Common to the West Coast Mainline, necessitating that the Overground be cut back to either Queen's Park or Wembley. There is very little likelihood this will change in the new report commissioned today.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Not sure this would impact on London Overground which is a self contained railway to Watford Junction. however the London midland services will be split. With trains from Tring and stations south not going to Euston. LM services north of Tring would still go into Euston and presumably some would stop at Watford junction but no longer at stations like Harrow & Wealdstone. The impact of the Southern service to West London and clapham would be interesting too. With impacts on station capacity, this might also thwart more Virgin train services stopping at watford.[/p][/quote]Every previous Crossrail technical analysis which included the Watford option has required the take over of the DC lines at least in part to get from Old Oak Common to the West Coast Mainline, necessitating that the Overground be cut back to either Queen's Park or Wembley. There is very little likelihood this will change in the new report commissioned today. clive77
  • Score: 1

3:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mr_jrt says...

"These involve running the new HS2 line through Watford Junction to link the station to Old Oak Common." - oh really? Poor journalism - this has nothing to do with HS2 beyond interchange at Old Oak common!

As for the DC lines - they'll be safe - the amount of work required to bring them up to the standard required for Crossrail would be prohibitive - let alone resignalling and conversion to overhead electrification, no, far more likely is the like-for-like swap of Crossrail services for the Tring stopping trains as aside from the link to Crossrail around Willesden would require no further work whatsoever.
"These involve running the new HS2 line through Watford Junction to link the station to Old Oak Common." - oh really? Poor journalism - this has nothing to do with HS2 beyond interchange at Old Oak common! As for the DC lines - they'll be safe - the amount of work required to bring them up to the standard required for Crossrail would be prohibitive - let alone resignalling and conversion to overhead electrification, no, far more likely is the like-for-like swap of Crossrail services for the Tring stopping trains as aside from the link to Crossrail around Willesden would require no further work whatsoever. mr_jrt
  • Score: 5

3:52pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

OK did not realise that - But the Overground has no connections to Old Oak Common, whereas the LM slow lines can get there .
OK did not realise that - But the Overground has no connections to Old Oak Common, whereas the LM slow lines can get there . Andrew1963
  • Score: 3

3:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

TRT says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
OK did not realise that - But the Overground has no connections to Old Oak Common, whereas the LM slow lines can get there .
Quite right, Andrew. By the time the WCML corridor reaches OOC, the DC lines have already dived under to cross to the north side of the track for the platforms at Harlesden and Stonebridge.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: OK did not realise that - But the Overground has no connections to Old Oak Common, whereas the LM slow lines can get there .[/p][/quote]Quite right, Andrew. By the time the WCML corridor reaches OOC, the DC lines have already dived under to cross to the north side of the track for the platforms at Harlesden and Stonebridge. TRT
  • Score: 3

4:05pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

Just checked - the plan does not involve losing London Overground DC lines. It will just be a loop from Old Oak Common to the Acton Wells line and an upgraded chord down to the Willesden Jct, dive under and come out on the LM slows at Wembley. It is primarily to divert the 2 train an hour Tring service away from Euston while it is rebuilt for HS2.
Just checked - the plan does not involve losing London Overground DC lines. It will just be a loop from Old Oak Common to the Acton Wells line and an upgraded chord down to the Willesden Jct, dive under and come out on the LM slows at Wembley. It is primarily to divert the 2 train an hour Tring service away from Euston while it is rebuilt for HS2. Andrew1963
  • Score: 3

4:07pm Thu 7 Aug 14

TRT says...

On the plus side, an almost direct rail service (1 change from CRL to CR @ WJ) between the wealth campus and Canary Wharf means that they can get much more for their flats by filling them with City boys and girls (although probably not such a high percentage of girls as it's still a male dominated sector), securing a better financial return and saving Farm Terrace?

No? Well, maybe you're right. I can;t see that happening either.
On the plus side, an almost direct rail service (1 change from CRL to CR @ WJ) between the wealth campus and Canary Wharf means that they can get much more for their flats by filling them with City boys and girls (although probably not such a high percentage of girls as it's still a male dominated sector), securing a better financial return and saving Farm Terrace? No? Well, maybe you're right. I can;t see that happening either. TRT
  • Score: 3

4:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

HornetJJ says...

Let's hope this gets the go ahead. No more changing at Euston to get into the City.
Let's hope this gets the go ahead. No more changing at Euston to get into the City. HornetJJ
  • Score: 7

4:35pm Thu 7 Aug 14

TRT says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
Just checked - the plan does not involve losing London Overground DC lines. It will just be a loop from Old Oak Common to the Acton Wells line and an upgraded chord down to the Willesden Jct, dive under and come out on the LM slows at Wembley. It is primarily to divert the 2 train an hour Tring service away from Euston while it is rebuilt for HS2.
What happens to the Bushey service?
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Just checked - the plan does not involve losing London Overground DC lines. It will just be a loop from Old Oak Common to the Acton Wells line and an upgraded chord down to the Willesden Jct, dive under and come out on the LM slows at Wembley. It is primarily to divert the 2 train an hour Tring service away from Euston while it is rebuilt for HS2.[/p][/quote]What happens to the Bushey service? TRT
  • Score: 2

7:57pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Bloodwags says...

So, a whole raft of choices to London from WFJ but, despite £50m Croxley Rail Link overspend, still not even a measly 3tph shuttle for beleaguered Watford Met users who will lose the station they've had for over 80 yrs - scandalous.
So, a whole raft of choices to London from WFJ but, despite £50m Croxley Rail Link overspend, still not even a measly 3tph shuttle for beleaguered Watford Met users who will lose the station they've had for over 80 yrs - scandalous. Bloodwags
  • Score: -3

9:44pm Thu 7 Aug 14

inside-watford says...

Bloodwags wrote:
So, a whole raft of choices to London from WFJ but, despite £50m Croxley Rail Link overspend, still not even a measly 3tph shuttle for beleaguered Watford Met users who will lose the station they've had for over 80 yrs - scandalous.
I couldn't agree more., even 1 train an hour would be better than nothing. I don't use public transport that often but have had to pick people up from Watford Met in the past. It always seems busy and I often wonder where all these people are going.

I would love to know the REAL statistics of usage.
[quote][p][bold]Bloodwags[/bold] wrote: So, a whole raft of choices to London from WFJ but, despite £50m Croxley Rail Link overspend, still not even a measly 3tph shuttle for beleaguered Watford Met users who will lose the station they've had for over 80 yrs - scandalous.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more., even 1 train an hour would be better than nothing. I don't use public transport that often but have had to pick people up from Watford Met in the past. It always seems busy and I often wonder where all these people are going. I would love to know the REAL statistics of usage. inside-watford
  • Score: -2

10:19pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Tizer001 says...

Living 2 minutes walk from Watford Junction on the St Albans Road I think this would be great news. watcord Junction is crying out for redevelopment, starting with a decent small supermarket in or right by the station like most other important interchange stations. The Overground service is fantastic and it would be sad to lose this as it's great for getting into the Watford High Street and Tesco Extra area of town. Watford Junction's links to London are getting better and better what with the Croxley Link coming in 2016 or 2017 and this latest announcement linking Watford Junction to other parts of London via Old Oak Common can only be good news for the town.
Living 2 minutes walk from Watford Junction on the St Albans Road I think this would be great news. watcord Junction is crying out for redevelopment, starting with a decent small supermarket in or right by the station like most other important interchange stations. The Overground service is fantastic and it would be sad to lose this as it's great for getting into the Watford High Street and Tesco Extra area of town. Watford Junction's links to London are getting better and better what with the Croxley Link coming in 2016 or 2017 and this latest announcement linking Watford Junction to other parts of London via Old Oak Common can only be good news for the town. Tizer001
  • Score: 14

11:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

TRT wrote:
Andrew1963 wrote:
Just checked - the plan does not involve losing London Overground DC lines. It will just be a loop from Old Oak Common to the Acton Wells line and an upgraded chord down to the Willesden Jct, dive under and come out on the LM slows at Wembley. It is primarily to divert the 2 train an hour Tring service away from Euston while it is rebuilt for HS2.
What happens to the Bushey service?
Bushey LM service would stop as it would instead be the cross rail service Tring to Canary Wharf. There would still be the London Overground to Euston. Perhaps the current Milton Keynes to Clapham Jct service will also stop at Bushey. Personally I think an option of an East Croydon Watford Junction (or maybe St Albans Abbey half hourly service) plus a half hourly cross rail would be best. That gives WJ, BSH, H & W a 15 minute mainline service during the day with options of extra trains in the peak. I think Crossrail stops at Tottenham Court Road, which is not too far from Euston for those needing destinations near the Euston Road area.
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: Just checked - the plan does not involve losing London Overground DC lines. It will just be a loop from Old Oak Common to the Acton Wells line and an upgraded chord down to the Willesden Jct, dive under and come out on the LM slows at Wembley. It is primarily to divert the 2 train an hour Tring service away from Euston while it is rebuilt for HS2.[/p][/quote]What happens to the Bushey service?[/p][/quote]Bushey LM service would stop as it would instead be the cross rail service Tring to Canary Wharf. There would still be the London Overground to Euston. Perhaps the current Milton Keynes to Clapham Jct service will also stop at Bushey. Personally I think an option of an East Croydon Watford Junction (or maybe St Albans Abbey half hourly service) plus a half hourly cross rail would be best. That gives WJ, BSH, H & W a 15 minute mainline service during the day with options of extra trains in the peak. I think Crossrail stops at Tottenham Court Road, which is not too far from Euston for those needing destinations near the Euston Road area. Andrew1963
  • Score: 1

11:35pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Cuetip says...

It's been really interesting reading the well argued comments by genuinely concerned commuters above but at the end of the day politicians love to seen grand standing selling Scotch Mist and there will be shed loads more as the election looms.

What it does expose is the lost opportunity to have some real joined up thinking by the various stakeholders for the greater good.

It seems we may be in for another costly mess as with the redesigned forecourt at the Junction. What an utter shambles.
It's been really interesting reading the well argued comments by genuinely concerned commuters above but at the end of the day politicians love to seen grand standing selling Scotch Mist and there will be shed loads more as the election looms. What it does expose is the lost opportunity to have some real joined up thinking by the various stakeholders for the greater good. It seems we may be in for another costly mess as with the redesigned forecourt at the Junction. What an utter shambles. Cuetip
  • Score: 8

7:16am Fri 8 Aug 14

Tizer001 says...

Totally agree that the Watford Junction forecourt redevelopment was a shambles, I can't believe there is no proper dropping off / pick up point for cars, I have no idea what idiots would not have included one, particularly as the bus pick up / drop off point is enormous and any space at the side of the station is dedicated as a taxi rank. I i know no other station with this problem, let alone one as big as Watford Junction. In any redevelopment this would have to be addressed as the current situation is highly dangerous with cars searching for a place to drop off and passengers trying to getbout of cars all over the place! Hopefully any possible redevelopment would be an opportunity to change this.
Totally agree that the Watford Junction forecourt redevelopment was a shambles, I can't believe there is no proper dropping off / pick up point for cars, I have no idea what idiots would not have included one, particularly as the bus pick up / drop off point is enormous and any space at the side of the station is dedicated as a taxi rank. I i know no other station with this problem, let alone one as big as Watford Junction. In any redevelopment this would have to be addressed as the current situation is highly dangerous with cars searching for a place to drop off and passengers trying to getbout of cars all over the place! Hopefully any possible redevelopment would be an opportunity to change this. Tizer001
  • Score: 7

12:50pm Fri 8 Aug 14

watfoid says...

Great news overall. Crossrail has so far had a major problem - capacity west of Paddington is so limited that over half of Crossrail trains will terminate/begin at Paddington. Euston is overcrowded and HS2 will make it worse. The Euston lines run close to Crossrail near Old Oak Common, so the sensible thing is to join the two up and divert London Midland Euston services onto Crossrail and solve two huge problems at a stroke. This was actually proposed back in 2011 but I think the local press missed it. From what I have read there are several proposals for building the join to Crossrail, including tunnelling under Harlesden/Willesden. Rail planners certainly need to take this opportunity to also upgrade the Southern connection to Clapham Junction too - one train per hour is frankly pathetic. This little-known cross-London route is potentially a "western Crossrail" and could run to Gatwick Airport, but has been neglected and ignored for decades.
Great news overall. Crossrail has so far had a major problem - capacity west of Paddington is so limited that over half of Crossrail trains will terminate/begin at Paddington. Euston is overcrowded and HS2 will make it worse. The Euston lines run close to Crossrail near Old Oak Common, so the sensible thing is to join the two up and divert London Midland Euston services onto Crossrail and solve two huge problems at a stroke. This was actually proposed back in 2011 but I think the local press missed it. From what I have read there are several proposals for building the join to Crossrail, including tunnelling under Harlesden/Willesden. Rail planners certainly need to take this opportunity to also upgrade the Southern connection to Clapham Junction too - one train per hour is frankly pathetic. This little-known cross-London route is potentially a "western Crossrail" and could run to Gatwick Airport, but has been neglected and ignored for decades. watfoid
  • Score: 4

3:11pm Fri 8 Aug 14

oldgreybird says...

Harrow is not in Hertfordshire. Just saying....
Harrow is not in Hertfordshire. Just saying.... oldgreybird
  • Score: 4

9:56am Sat 9 Aug 14

Mr Watford of Watford says...

It's going to.save 12 minutes??!! Is this a.joke??!!
It's going to.save 12 minutes??!! Is this a.joke??!! Mr Watford of Watford
  • Score: -4

10:55am Sat 9 Aug 14

watfoid says...

Mr Watford of Watford wrote:
It's going to.save 12 minutes??!! Is this a.joke??!!
I'd say it was an underestimate rather than a joke. I don't know where they get the 12 minutes from because it bears no relation to reality! Any time I've gone into London to get to, say, Bond Street, getting from the mainline to the tube takes the best part of 10 minutes, there's maybe a 5 minute wait or more for a tube, and a 15-minute tube journey (including the change at Oxford Street). In rush hour you can easily lose half an hour of your life making a very short journey, which is why I usually walk everywhere from Euston. Being able to get a direct train instead of all that faffing around in London would make a huge difference.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Watford of Watford[/bold] wrote: It's going to.save 12 minutes??!! Is this a.joke??!![/p][/quote]I'd say it was an underestimate rather than a joke. I don't know where they get the 12 minutes from because it bears no relation to reality! Any time I've gone into London to get to, say, Bond Street, getting from the mainline to the tube takes the best part of 10 minutes, there's maybe a 5 minute wait or more for a tube, and a 15-minute tube journey (including the change at Oxford Street). In rush hour you can easily lose half an hour of your life making a very short journey, which is why I usually walk everywhere from Euston. Being able to get a direct train instead of all that faffing around in London would make a huge difference. watfoid
  • Score: 2

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