Sports club in Watford to get a new £1m hurling pitch after health campus eviction

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A sports club in Watford will get a new £1million hurling pitch - after being forced out its current home to make way for the new Health Campus.

Watford Borough Council has been granted permission to build the pitch for Glen Rovers Hurling and Football Club in Watford on the site of former playing fields off Radlett Road.

The council will have to put added drainage provisions into the field and build a new changing block for 80 people to satisfy Sport England conditions after relocating the club off land needed to build Watford Health Campus.

Residents, many of whom suffered extensive damage to their properties in February as a result of flooding, feared the proposals would increase the risk of flooding to their homes.

They also objected to the lack of parking the council estimated the club would need.

Rosalind Reeve, who lives next to Colne River Park, said the amount of money set to be spent to green light the move was immoral.

She said: "The proposed cost of this site is £1million, which is simply immoral with the council cut backs.

"This is a targeted planning application to satisfy conditions of the Watford Health Campus.

"If it wasn't for those conditions, not even £100 would be spent on this field."

The plans involve levelling the existing sports field, removing a large concrete slab, filling in pot holes and providing 18 new parking spaces.

The council has also managed to get permission to build a new changing block for 80 people on the green belt land.

Liberal Democrat councillor Helen Lynch, who spoke for her constituents, said a drop off area should be established along with a maintenance strategy to ensure flooding risk is kept to a minimum.

Radlett Road Playing Fields are located between the River Colne and Radlett Road.

The council previously submitted an application for the fields, but withdrew it after concerns that flooding issues were not addressed.

Committee member, Labour group leader Nigel Bell, questioned why the pitch had to be built on derelict playing fileds rather than finding space in Cassiobury Park or Nascot.

He said with the amount of money being spent to bring a playing field back into use, it was likely to be the best pitch of any Gaelic Club in the country.

Planning permission was granted on a split vote of five to three of Watford Borough Council's development control committee - with Labour councillors Bell, Jackie Conall and Sohail Bashir standing against the proposals.

 

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5:00pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

Sorry £1 million to be spent, because the council wants to build 700 flats on the Cardiff road Industrial estate and the Farm terrace allotments. Plus The £800,000 on allotment improvements due to the concreting over of Farm Terrace. That's a lot of money and the developer will still make a huge profit
Sorry £1 million to be spent, because the council wants to build 700 flats on the Cardiff road Industrial estate and the Farm terrace allotments. Plus The £800,000 on allotment improvements due to the concreting over of Farm Terrace. That's a lot of money and the developer will still make a huge profit Andrew1963
  • Score: 16

5:13pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Veritas says...

Shame this Provincial paper still calls it a Health Campus,
when it has been proven it has nothing to do with Health.

Funny Daft Dotty Blocked an already built changing facility on
Watford Fields much to the detriment of the Local Youth
Football teams and even gave the Devious Developers their
Section 106 money back, as she cocked up the spending of the
money.

Here we have 1 million pounds of our hard earn tax money
going on Hurling? What wrong with a mixed use pitch, football
rugby, why just Hurling.

How did they have such an influence on the Council when the Irish
Club was in Demise, and losing members constantly?
Shame this Provincial paper still calls it a Health Campus, when it has been proven it has nothing to do with Health. Funny Daft Dotty Blocked an already built changing facility on Watford Fields much to the detriment of the Local Youth Football teams and even gave the Devious Developers their Section 106 money back, as she cocked up the spending of the money. Here we have 1 million pounds of our hard earn tax money going on Hurling? What wrong with a mixed use pitch, football rugby, why just Hurling. How did they have such an influence on the Council when the Irish Club was in Demise, and losing members constantly? Veritas
  • Score: 18

5:33pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TRT says...

The travesty of local government. Collateral spending as a result of the Wealth Campus is eating into any money which might have gone towards hospitals or other community facilities. Building a road across the existing playing fields is wrong, wrong, wrong. I've been told it's an absolute requirement for the A&E at Watford to serve Hemel and St Albans after they've lost their provision. This says one thing and one thing only - Watford General is in the wrong place to serve the intended catchment area. It should be in the middle of the three populations, not on the edge. Undoubtably the land the general is currently on, plus Cardiff Road, will be developed for accommodation, but why not a sustainable village? Car-ownership free, safe play streets, grey-water recycling, micro-generation, keep the allotments and expand them as part of a healthy living scheme, put recreation grounds there, next to the flood plain. Riverside walks with high-sided wildlife lakes which act as buffers in the event of flooding.

Dotty and her scheming minions are making my blood boil, they really are.
The travesty of local government. Collateral spending as a result of the Wealth Campus is eating into any money which might have gone towards hospitals or other community facilities. Building a road across the existing playing fields is wrong, wrong, wrong. I've been told it's an absolute requirement for the A&E at Watford to serve Hemel and St Albans after they've lost their provision. This says one thing and one thing only - Watford General is in the wrong place to serve the intended catchment area. It should be in the middle of the three populations, not on the edge. Undoubtably the land the general is currently on, plus Cardiff Road, will be developed for accommodation, but why not a sustainable village? Car-ownership free, safe play streets, grey-water recycling, micro-generation, keep the allotments and expand them as part of a healthy living scheme, put recreation grounds there, next to the flood plain. Riverside walks with high-sided wildlife lakes which act as buffers in the event of flooding. Dotty and her scheming minions are making my blood boil, they really are. TRT
  • Score: 7

6:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

#UKMum says...

Sustainable living with this FibDem administration? You've gotta be kidding!
Sustainable living with this FibDem administration? You've gotta be kidding! #UKMum
  • Score: 1

7:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TRT says...

#UKMum wrote:
Sustainable living with this FibDem administration? You've gotta be kidding!
Well not with this lot, but maybe the Greens if they had a coalition with councillors more experienced at government. That's where they fall down in places like Brighton and Hove - lack of experience. And in-fighting.
[quote][p][bold]#UKMum[/bold] wrote: Sustainable living with this FibDem administration? You've gotta be kidding![/p][/quote]Well not with this lot, but maybe the Greens if they had a coalition with councillors more experienced at government. That's where they fall down in places like Brighton and Hove - lack of experience. And in-fighting. TRT
  • Score: 2

7:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

watford gal says...

Watford Observer ! There is no bloody Health Campus !!! WBC have gone mad. A million quid on hurling? Seriously ? :-(
Watford Observer ! There is no bloody Health Campus !!! WBC have gone mad. A million quid on hurling? Seriously ? :-( watford gal
  • Score: 12

9:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

itsafamilyclub!!! says...

Well done Mayor Thornhill, great news yet again for the community..

Makes me think though that the posh, rich UKIP voting allotment holders with all these tens of thousands of pounds to waste on silly appeals at the highest courts in the land to stop Watford having a new hospital could pay some money towards the legal costs we council tax payers of Watford are having to pay?

You scroungers should be ashamed.
Well done Mayor Thornhill, great news yet again for the community.. Makes me think though that the posh, rich UKIP voting allotment holders with all these tens of thousands of pounds to waste on silly appeals at the highest courts in the land to stop Watford having a new hospital could pay some money towards the legal costs we council tax payers of Watford are having to pay? You scroungers should be ashamed. itsafamilyclub!!!
  • Score: -27

9:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

itsafamilyclub!!! says...

watford gal wrote:
Watford Observer ! There is no bloody Health Campus !!! WBC have gone mad. A million quid on hurling? Seriously ? :-(
What about the million pound legal bill we have to pay because you wont grow your carrots 2 miles up the road?
[quote][p][bold]watford gal[/bold] wrote: Watford Observer ! There is no bloody Health Campus !!! WBC have gone mad. A million quid on hurling? Seriously ? :-([/p][/quote]What about the million pound legal bill we have to pay because you wont grow your carrots 2 miles up the road? itsafamilyclub!!!
  • Score: -17

10:10pm Mon 11 Aug 14

TRT says...

Who's that trip-trapping over MY bridge?
Who's that trip-trapping over MY bridge? TRT
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Mon 11 Aug 14

drunkenduck says...

It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting.

So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place.

Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.
It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting. So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place. Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection. drunkenduck
  • Score: 6

11:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

D_Penn says...

I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'.

Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects.

By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money.

That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch.

The con goes on.
I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'. Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects. By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money. That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch. The con goes on. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

11:48pm Mon 11 Aug 14

itsafamilyclub!!! says...

D_Penn wrote:
I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'.

Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects.

By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money.

That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch.

The con goes on.
Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn?

These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good..
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'. Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects. By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money. That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch. The con goes on.[/p][/quote]Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn? These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good.. itsafamilyclub!!!
  • Score: -12

12:06am Tue 12 Aug 14

TRT says...

itsafamilyclub!!! wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'.

Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects.

By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money.

That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch.

The con goes on.
Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn?

These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good..
I think you'll find it's UKIP associating with the allotment holders, but then reading was never your strong point, and you're a bit hard of thinking too, familyclub.
[quote][p][bold]itsafamilyclub!!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'. Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects. By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money. That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch. The con goes on.[/p][/quote]Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn? These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good..[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it's UKIP associating with the allotment holders, but then reading was never your strong point, and you're a bit hard of thinking too, familyclub. TRT
  • Score: 9

8:14am Tue 12 Aug 14

Wacko Jacko says...

The real question is why this established sports field had been allowed to deteriorate to the point where it needs major investment. Regular maintenance might have avoided this situation. Bringing it back into use will benefit all sorts off field sports, not just hurling and Gaelic football, but football, cricket, rugby. It's a classic win-win providing a new home for the hurling club and a high quality multi use pitch for anyone else who wants to use it, Labour voting against the proposal shows how little they respect their voters who would benefit from it.
The real question is why this established sports field had been allowed to deteriorate to the point where it needs major investment. Regular maintenance might have avoided this situation. Bringing it back into use will benefit all sorts off field sports, not just hurling and Gaelic football, but football, cricket, rugby. It's a classic win-win providing a new home for the hurling club and a high quality multi use pitch for anyone else who wants to use it, Labour voting against the proposal shows how little they respect their voters who would benefit from it. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: 9

8:29am Tue 12 Aug 14

#UKMum says...

"What about the million pound legal bill we have to pay because you wont grow your carrots 2 miles up the road?"

How do you know the bill is a million?

WBC misled Eric Pickles with a submission which did not give full information. WBC and Eric Pickles were given the opportunity not to proceed when this became clear. For one reason or another they proceeded. The blame for wasting money lies elsewhere not with the allotment holders.
"What about the million pound legal bill we have to pay because you wont grow your carrots 2 miles up the road?" How do you know the bill is a million? WBC misled Eric Pickles with a submission which did not give full information. WBC and Eric Pickles were given the opportunity not to proceed when this became clear. For one reason or another they proceeded. The blame for wasting money lies elsewhere not with the allotment holders. #UKMum
  • Score: 5

9:51am Tue 12 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

Veritas wrote:
Shame this Provincial paper still calls it a Health Campus,
when it has been proven it has nothing to do with Health.

Funny Daft Dotty Blocked an already built changing facility on
Watford Fields much to the detriment of the Local Youth
Football teams and even gave the Devious Developers their
Section 106 money back, as she cocked up the spending of the
money.

Here we have 1 million pounds of our hard earn tax money
going on Hurling? What wrong with a mixed use pitch, football
rugby, why just Hurling.

How did they have such an influence on the Council when the Irish
Club was in Demise, and losing members constantly?
It is a mixed use pitch....for Hurling and Gaelic football. Those sports also have female equivalents, I think, all played on the same pitch, so they are mixed use.

There's already a rugby club about 400 yards away with their own pitches and there is mixed use sport area already on the field.....

I've never seen a GAA sport in my life and they might be really boring but I live very close to this, go through this park and will glad to have a top grade sporting facility opening near me.

I'm a bit old to start playing a new sport but I'm sure the club will be accepting member from the local community so it's a benefit....

Why not find something else to moan about rather than people having fun on waste ground.....
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: Shame this Provincial paper still calls it a Health Campus, when it has been proven it has nothing to do with Health. Funny Daft Dotty Blocked an already built changing facility on Watford Fields much to the detriment of the Local Youth Football teams and even gave the Devious Developers their Section 106 money back, as she cocked up the spending of the money. Here we have 1 million pounds of our hard earn tax money going on Hurling? What wrong with a mixed use pitch, football rugby, why just Hurling. How did they have such an influence on the Council when the Irish Club was in Demise, and losing members constantly?[/p][/quote]It is a mixed use pitch....for Hurling and Gaelic football. Those sports also have female equivalents, I think, all played on the same pitch, so they are mixed use. There's already a rugby club about 400 yards away with their own pitches and there is mixed use sport area already on the field..... I've never seen a GAA sport in my life and they might be really boring but I live very close to this, go through this park and will glad to have a top grade sporting facility opening near me. I'm a bit old to start playing a new sport but I'm sure the club will be accepting member from the local community so it's a benefit.... Why not find something else to moan about rather than people having fun on waste ground..... CaptainPC
  • Score: 9

11:04am Tue 12 Aug 14

Hornet1234 says...

Brilliant news. As a member/player of the Club that these facilities are being provided, i can firmly say that this is a positive move from the Council. Our Club caters for all age groups from as young as 3/4 to men. The new facility will be well looked after and is a great opportunity for Radlett Rd to be the home to some big matches/games within GAA. Looking forward to the future of GAA in Watford and rebuilding a community that was lost with the closure of the Warford Irish Centre.
Brilliant news. As a member/player of the Club that these facilities are being provided, i can firmly say that this is a positive move from the Council. Our Club caters for all age groups from as young as 3/4 to men. The new facility will be well looked after and is a great opportunity for Radlett Rd to be the home to some big matches/games within GAA. Looking forward to the future of GAA in Watford and rebuilding a community that was lost with the closure of the Warford Irish Centre. Hornet1234
  • Score: 17

11:15am Tue 12 Aug 14

angryofwatford:) says...

It's not a health campus, we all agree. We're losing our allotments, a great way to get fresh air & exercise. But with a new sports pitch, albeit a sport not very well known here, is another way to get our children outdoors & active. Instead of shouting about it being hurling, try a knew sport? It's gaelic football & hurling. But I guess it's all "not on my doorstep" which is such a shame.
It's not a health campus, we all agree. We're losing our allotments, a great way to get fresh air & exercise. But with a new sports pitch, albeit a sport not very well known here, is another way to get our children outdoors & active. Instead of shouting about it being hurling, try a knew sport? It's gaelic football & hurling. But I guess it's all "not on my doorstep" which is such a shame. angryofwatford:)
  • Score: -1

11:22am Tue 12 Aug 14

angryofwatford:) says...

drunkenduck wrote:
It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting.

So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place.

Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.
My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there
[quote][p][bold]drunkenduck[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting. So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place. Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.[/p][/quote]My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there angryofwatford:)
  • Score: 5

11:32am Tue 12 Aug 14

D_Penn says...

Let's be clear about this.

I'm all for having a variety of sporting facilities for the young, but this scheme is no wonderful new creation. This is a relocation caused by the building of a new housing estate. There is no cause for celebration when the fact is that overall there is a net loss of recreational green space which adding insult to injury is costing us all one million pounds for the pleasure.

In fact, it's only by luck that there is a green place left to relocate to. Had the River Colne and its tendency to flood not been where it is, does anybody believe that the council would not by have been eyeing up this land for a mammoth flat building project rather than a pitch?
Let's be clear about this. I'm all for having a variety of sporting facilities for the young, but this scheme is no wonderful new creation. This is a relocation caused by the building of a new housing estate. There is no cause for celebration when the fact is that overall there is a net loss of recreational green space which adding insult to injury is costing us all one million pounds for the pleasure. In fact, it's only by luck that there is a green place left to relocate to. Had the River Colne and its tendency to flood not been where it is, does anybody believe that the council would not by have been eyeing up this land for a mammoth flat building project rather than a pitch? D_Penn
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Tue 12 Aug 14

TRT says...

He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund
He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund TRT
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Tue 12 Aug 14

TRT says...

He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund
He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund TRT
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Tue 12 Aug 14

TRT says...

He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund
He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund TRT
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Tue 12 Aug 14

TRT says...

He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund
He's right you know. The only reason there's a Colne valley linear park is because of the floods. They cost of decontaminating the gasometer site at lower high street and renovating Frogmore house is just £4.5m. A new park there linking Oxhey park to Tesco and Waterfields extending the green walk and providing a nature corridor ? No. Let's build flats or a supermarket because that area is not prone to flood because of the concrete bund TRT
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Tue 12 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

drunkenduck wrote:
It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting.

So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place.

Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.
Thanks for the idea. I'm going to buy up an old shop in Queens Road and provide a full body armour service for humans and dogs because of the hurlers. I'll be hiring and selling.

Thanks for the idea. I'm off to Dragon's Den.
[quote][p][bold]drunkenduck[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting. So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place. Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the idea. I'm going to buy up an old shop in Queens Road and provide a full body armour service for humans and dogs because of the hurlers. I'll be hiring and selling. Thanks for the idea. I'm off to Dragon's Den. CaptainPC
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Tue 12 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

angryofwatford:) wrote:
drunkenduck wrote:
It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting.

So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place.

Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.
My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there
Do you know if your parents would be interested in trialling my new range of body armour for dog walkers?
What type of dog have they got?

Ideally it would be a Springer Spaniel size, larger and the materials start to be a bit bit costly and smaller is hard to hit with a cricket/hurling/golf ball.

Larger than a Staffie (f) and smaller than a border collie would work.
[quote][p][bold]angryofwatford:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drunkenduck[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting. So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place. Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.[/p][/quote]My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there[/p][/quote]Do you know if your parents would be interested in trialling my new range of body armour for dog walkers? What type of dog have they got? Ideally it would be a Springer Spaniel size, larger and the materials start to be a bit bit costly and smaller is hard to hit with a cricket/hurling/golf ball. Larger than a Staffie (f) and smaller than a border collie would work. CaptainPC
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pietas says...

Radlett Road Playing Fields is really an unwise site for a hurling pitch that can host national/ international games drawing large numbers of players and spectators.
1. The area of the playing field is small, a hurling / Gaelic football pitch will cover the majority of the field.
2. There will be very limited parking, under 20 spaces. This will result in cars parked on double yellows along Radlett Road and surrounding areas. No parking controls on Sundays. (Perhaps the residents can look forward to the joys of Match Day Parking in the future!)
3. The numerous people that enjoy walking/cycling along the Colne Valley Walk will need to be vigilant and watch out for the hard ball (that can reach speed of 100 mph). The foot/cycle path runs alongside the length of the pitch, in some places quite close. The club will probably display the usual sign refuting any responsibility for injury caused to members of the public.
A larger park eg Cassiobury would have been more suitable.
It begs the question why the club was removed from Garston Park and then Watford Fields after complaints from residents.
Radlett Road Playing Fields is really an unwise site for a hurling pitch that can host national/ international games drawing large numbers of players and spectators. 1. The area of the playing field is small, a hurling / Gaelic football pitch will cover the majority of the field. 2. There will be very limited parking, under 20 spaces. This will result in cars parked on double yellows along Radlett Road and surrounding areas. No parking controls on Sundays. (Perhaps the residents can look forward to the joys of Match Day Parking in the future!) 3. The numerous people that enjoy walking/cycling along the Colne Valley Walk will need to be vigilant and watch out for the hard ball (that can reach speed of 100 mph). The foot/cycle path runs alongside the length of the pitch, in some places quite close. The club will probably display the usual sign refuting any responsibility for injury caused to members of the public. A larger park eg Cassiobury would have been more suitable. It begs the question why the club was removed from Garston Park and then Watford Fields after complaints from residents. pietas
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Tue 12 Aug 14

angryofwatford:) says...

CaptainPC wrote:
angryofwatford:) wrote:
drunkenduck wrote:
It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting.

So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place.

Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.
My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there
Do you know if your parents would be interested in trialling my new range of body armour for dog walkers?
What type of dog have they got?

Ideally it would be a Springer Spaniel size, larger and the materials start to be a bit bit costly and smaller is hard to hit with a cricket/hurling/golf ball.

Larger than a Staffie (f) and smaller than a border collie would work.
She's a smallish Labrador (dog not mother), is that do-able???
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angryofwatford:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drunkenduck[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting. So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place. Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.[/p][/quote]My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there[/p][/quote]Do you know if your parents would be interested in trialling my new range of body armour for dog walkers? What type of dog have they got? Ideally it would be a Springer Spaniel size, larger and the materials start to be a bit bit costly and smaller is hard to hit with a cricket/hurling/golf ball. Larger than a Staffie (f) and smaller than a border collie would work.[/p][/quote]She's a smallish Labrador (dog not mother), is that do-able??? angryofwatford:)
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

Surely a better location would be the boys grammar school/fullerian sports ground next to cassiobury park? It already has plans to redevelop the pavilion and changing facilities and I am sure the prospect of £1 million investment would smooth through a joint use agreement.
Surely a better location would be the boys grammar school/fullerian sports ground next to cassiobury park? It already has plans to redevelop the pavilion and changing facilities and I am sure the prospect of £1 million investment would smooth through a joint use agreement. Andrew1963
  • Score: 6

4:26pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Keefer says...

They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport?
They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport? Keefer
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Tue 12 Aug 14

theturpster says...

itsafamilyclub!!! wrote:
Well done Mayor Thornhill, great news yet again for the community..

Makes me think though that the posh, rich UKIP voting allotment holders with all these tens of thousands of pounds to waste on silly appeals at the highest courts in the land to stop Watford having a new hospital could pay some money towards the legal costs we council tax payers of Watford are having to pay?

You scroungers should be ashamed.
I got half way through this then started to ask myself who do you actually get to help you tie your shoe laces every morning?
[quote][p][bold]itsafamilyclub!!![/bold] wrote: Well done Mayor Thornhill, great news yet again for the community.. Makes me think though that the posh, rich UKIP voting allotment holders with all these tens of thousands of pounds to waste on silly appeals at the highest courts in the land to stop Watford having a new hospital could pay some money towards the legal costs we council tax payers of Watford are having to pay? You scroungers should be ashamed.[/p][/quote]I got half way through this then started to ask myself who do you actually get to help you tie your shoe laces every morning? theturpster
  • Score: 6

5:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

D_Penn says...

Keefer wrote:
They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport?
Parking? Don’t make me laugh. When has the council ever shown concern for the need to provide adequate facilities for the Watford hoi-polloi to use cars?

In the blinkered world of planning, we are all expected to accept that we do all our travelling on foot, by bicycle or on public transport. Road congestion, the constant battle for parking space and the fleecing of drivers exists by design and intent. It's a never ending onslaught that is trying to force all us wicked people to stop using cars.

It never matters a jot to today’s politicians that, for the majority of the population, cars are a necessity of modern life. So here we see the inbuilt car deterrent of provision for only eighteen spaces which will frequently prove inadequate. Do you think that our masters care about the inevitable problems it will create for the local residents? You know the answer.
[quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport?[/p][/quote]Parking? Don’t make me laugh. When has the council ever shown concern for the need to provide adequate facilities for the Watford hoi-polloi to use cars? In the blinkered world of planning, we are all expected to accept that we do all our travelling on foot, by bicycle or on public transport. Road congestion, the constant battle for parking space and the fleecing of drivers exists by design and intent. It's a never ending onslaught that is trying to force all us wicked people to stop using cars. It never matters a jot to today’s politicians that, for the majority of the population, cars are a necessity of modern life. So here we see the inbuilt car deterrent of provision for only eighteen spaces which will frequently prove inadequate. Do you think that our masters care about the inevitable problems it will create for the local residents? You know the answer. D_Penn
  • Score: -1

10:23pm Tue 12 Aug 14

HermanGoering says...

D_Penn wrote:
Keefer wrote:
They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport?
Parking? Don’t make me laugh. When has the council ever shown concern for the need to provide adequate facilities for the Watford hoi-polloi to use cars?

In the blinkered world of planning, we are all expected to accept that we do all our travelling on foot, by bicycle or on public transport. Road congestion, the constant battle for parking space and the fleecing of drivers exists by design and intent. It's a never ending onslaught that is trying to force all us wicked people to stop using cars.

It never matters a jot to today’s politicians that, for the majority of the population, cars are a necessity of modern life. So here we see the inbuilt car deterrent of provision for only eighteen spaces which will frequently prove inadequate. Do you think that our masters care about the inevitable problems it will create for the local residents? You know the answer.
Cars are a necessity of modern life-If you are disabled or transporting someone who is disabled.

I think it is a good idea to encourage people to walk 15 to 20 minutes.

Also not a bad idea to provide high quality sports pitches for communities.

There's an obesity epidemic and people are whinging about a sports club's facilities impinging on their human right to be idle.

For the record I live about two hundred yards from the field and cycle past it regularly. I used to go past the old field and never had any problem.

Can't see any reasonable objection.

Obviously ukip are no strangers to unreasonable objections. :-) x
[quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport?[/p][/quote]Parking? Don’t make me laugh. When has the council ever shown concern for the need to provide adequate facilities for the Watford hoi-polloi to use cars? In the blinkered world of planning, we are all expected to accept that we do all our travelling on foot, by bicycle or on public transport. Road congestion, the constant battle for parking space and the fleecing of drivers exists by design and intent. It's a never ending onslaught that is trying to force all us wicked people to stop using cars. It never matters a jot to today’s politicians that, for the majority of the population, cars are a necessity of modern life. So here we see the inbuilt car deterrent of provision for only eighteen spaces which will frequently prove inadequate. Do you think that our masters care about the inevitable problems it will create for the local residents? You know the answer.[/p][/quote]Cars are a necessity of modern life-If you are disabled or transporting someone who is disabled. I think it is a good idea to encourage people to walk 15 to 20 minutes. Also not a bad idea to provide high quality sports pitches for communities. There's an obesity epidemic and people are whinging about a sports club's facilities impinging on their human right to be idle. For the record I live about two hundred yards from the field and cycle past it regularly. I used to go past the old field and never had any problem. Can't see any reasonable objection. Obviously ukip are no strangers to unreasonable objections. :-) x HermanGoering
  • Score: 3

10:31pm Tue 12 Aug 14

HermanGoering says...

angryofwatford:) wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
angryofwatford:) wrote:
drunkenduck wrote:
It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting.

So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place.

Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.
My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there
Do you know if your parents would be interested in trialling my new range of body armour for dog walkers?
What type of dog have they got?

Ideally it would be a Springer Spaniel size, larger and the materials start to be a bit bit costly and smaller is hard to hit with a cricket/hurling/golf ball.

Larger than a Staffie (f) and smaller than a border collie would work.
She's a smallish Labrador (dog not mother), is that do-able???
I'm not sure you should use the term "do-able" about a much loved family pet, (or a mother), but I would be very grateful if you would allow me to fire cricket balls at it (or her). Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]angryofwatford:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angryofwatford:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drunkenduck[/bold] wrote: It wasn't the heath campus that forces them out. It's that road that is going to be built though Oxhey Park - sports grounds next door. Though WE all know these not going to be a health campus, because the NHS trust has no money nor they never wanted to use the allotments. It's just a misleading c*ck and bull statement rubbish that the pathetic major keeps quoting. So spending £1million on a hurling pitch may be good for some but where can walkers walk their dogs, play sports and perhaps chill while these works and building is going to take place. Thirdly, from 1 January 2010, the wearing of helmets with faceguards became compulsory for hurlers at all levels and to play this sport. So anyone else who is not playing and perhaps walking by, walking their dogs, playing etc, would their need to wear some kind of head protection.[/p][/quote]My parents walk their dog at Woodside near the cricket pitches & practice nets & often nearly get hit by balls from the training nets! Also, people currently walk their dogs where the gaelic pitch us now & don't clear up their mess, which then has to be cleaned up before children can train/play there[/p][/quote]Do you know if your parents would be interested in trialling my new range of body armour for dog walkers? What type of dog have they got? Ideally it would be a Springer Spaniel size, larger and the materials start to be a bit bit costly and smaller is hard to hit with a cricket/hurling/golf ball. Larger than a Staffie (f) and smaller than a border collie would work.[/p][/quote]She's a smallish Labrador (dog not mother), is that do-able???[/p][/quote]I'm not sure you should use the term "do-able" about a much loved family pet, (or a mother), but I would be very grateful if you would allow me to fire cricket balls at it (or her). Cheers. HermanGoering
  • Score: -3

12:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

John Dowdle says...

There are several points about this proposal which should be known.
The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road.
The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site.
I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place.
Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people.
There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there.
Public transport links to the site are non-existent.
The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays.
The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club.
A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area.
No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact.
My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives.
It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it.
They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there.
The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain.
All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills.
There are several points about this proposal which should be known. The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road. The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site. I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place. Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people. There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there. Public transport links to the site are non-existent. The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays. The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club. A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area. No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact. My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives. It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it. They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there. The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain. All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills. John Dowdle
  • Score: 6

6:31am Wed 13 Aug 14

TRT says...

I must admit I'm surprised they didn't move the activity to Horseshoe Lane which seems to be the default dumping ground for displaced sports.
I must admit I'm surprised they didn't move the activity to Horseshoe Lane which seems to be the default dumping ground for displaced sports. TRT
  • Score: 0

9:38am Wed 13 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

John Dowdle wrote:
There are several points about this proposal which should be known.
The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road.
The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site.
I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place.
Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people.
There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there.
Public transport links to the site are non-existent.
The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays.
The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club.
A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area.
No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact.
My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives.
It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it.
They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there.
The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain.
All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills.
It's within 15-20 minutes walk of Watford Junction Station which is the biggest transport hub in the county.

What's the public transport to the football ground on match day? People walk from the town centre. Is this further away?

Queens Road parade is desolate maybe this will bring some passing trade.

All joking apart with the population growing as it is we should be discouraging cars. Why do people need two cars per household living 10 minutes walk from the Biggest Transport Hub in the County?

Disability is a valid reason. Laziness and misanthropy are not.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: There are several points about this proposal which should be known. The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road. The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site. I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place. Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people. There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there. Public transport links to the site are non-existent. The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays. The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club. A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area. No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact. My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives. It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it. They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there. The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain. All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills.[/p][/quote]It's within 15-20 minutes walk of Watford Junction Station which is the biggest transport hub in the county. What's the public transport to the football ground on match day? People walk from the town centre. Is this further away? Queens Road parade is desolate maybe this will bring some passing trade. All joking apart with the population growing as it is we should be discouraging cars. Why do people need two cars per household living 10 minutes walk from the Biggest Transport Hub in the County? Disability is a valid reason. Laziness and misanthropy are not. CaptainPC
  • Score: -3

11:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

#UKMum says...

OK if cars are to be ditched can we ascertain when non car ownership will become part of the contract for being a WB councillor.
OK if cars are to be ditched can we ascertain when non car ownership will become part of the contract for being a WB councillor. #UKMum
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12:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

CaptainPC wrote:
John Dowdle wrote:
There are several points about this proposal which should be known.
The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road.
The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site.
I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place.
Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people.
There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there.
Public transport links to the site are non-existent.
The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays.
The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club.
A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area.
No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact.
My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives.
It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it.
They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there.
The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain.
All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills.
It's within 15-20 minutes walk of Watford Junction Station which is the biggest transport hub in the county.

What's the public transport to the football ground on match day? People walk from the town centre. Is this further away?

Queens Road parade is desolate maybe this will bring some passing trade.

All joking apart with the population growing as it is we should be discouraging cars. Why do people need two cars per household living 10 minutes walk from the Biggest Transport Hub in the County?

Disability is a valid reason. Laziness and misanthropy are not.
Church car park is nearer to Vicarage road, and if you live locally you will know that the Girls grammar school open up their land for parking as do Fisher industrial estate. the town hall is 10 minutes from watford Junction - it has a large car park. The Intu is within 10 -15 minutes of Watford junction - it has thousands of car parking places. I think the point is most contributors think this is a poor location for the proposed activity, especially when other options are available.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: There are several points about this proposal which should be known. The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road. The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site. I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place. Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people. There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there. Public transport links to the site are non-existent. The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays. The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club. A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area. No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact. My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives. It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it. They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there. The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain. All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills.[/p][/quote]It's within 15-20 minutes walk of Watford Junction Station which is the biggest transport hub in the county. What's the public transport to the football ground on match day? People walk from the town centre. Is this further away? Queens Road parade is desolate maybe this will bring some passing trade. All joking apart with the population growing as it is we should be discouraging cars. Why do people need two cars per household living 10 minutes walk from the Biggest Transport Hub in the County? Disability is a valid reason. Laziness and misanthropy are not.[/p][/quote]Church car park is nearer to Vicarage road, and if you live locally you will know that the Girls grammar school open up their land for parking as do Fisher industrial estate. the town hall is 10 minutes from watford Junction - it has a large car park. The Intu is within 10 -15 minutes of Watford junction - it has thousands of car parking places. I think the point is most contributors think this is a poor location for the proposed activity, especially when other options are available. Andrew1963
  • Score: -1

2:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

Andrew1963 wrote:
CaptainPC wrote:
John Dowdle wrote:
There are several points about this proposal which should be known.
The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road.
The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site.
I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place.
Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people.
There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there.
Public transport links to the site are non-existent.
The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays.
The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club.
A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area.
No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact.
My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives.
It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it.
They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there.
The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain.
All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills.
It's within 15-20 minutes walk of Watford Junction Station which is the biggest transport hub in the county.

What's the public transport to the football ground on match day? People walk from the town centre. Is this further away?

Queens Road parade is desolate maybe this will bring some passing trade.

All joking apart with the population growing as it is we should be discouraging cars. Why do people need two cars per household living 10 minutes walk from the Biggest Transport Hub in the County?

Disability is a valid reason. Laziness and misanthropy are not.
Church car park is nearer to Vicarage road, and if you live locally you will know that the Girls grammar school open up their land for parking as do Fisher industrial estate. the town hall is 10 minutes from watford Junction - it has a large car park. The Intu is within 10 -15 minutes of Watford junction - it has thousands of car parking places. I think the point is most contributors think this is a poor location for the proposed activity, especially when other options are available.
The Intu would be for people who are shopping so they may have heavy goods to carry, but I take your point.

Think the comparison to the football works better as most away fans would come into a station and walk through the town so they can have a beer.

Think it's a great location TBH. It's not users objecting either....it's nimbys
[quote][p][bold]Andrew1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: There are several points about this proposal which should be known. The Council paid out a significant amount of money well in advance of deciding to place the club on the sight of a former garage and petrol station on Radlett Road. The soil analysis established significant levels of industrial toxins such as arsenic and a wide range of other pollutants on the site. I would like to know just when the work of clearing the top soil will take place so that I can away from the area while the work takes place. Throwing up poisonous dust around the area is not something to be taken lightly and could endanger the health of local people. There is clearly insufficient parking being made available on the site, which is understandable given the space constraints of the site which is arguably much too small for the activity being placed there. Public transport links to the site are non-existent. The bus service to the Radlett Road Estate - I believe - stops running at 3.30 p.m. each day and does not run at all on Sundays. The placing of the proposed club on the site will inevitably lead to the people visiting the club having to park on the Radlett Road Estate, which will almost certainly provoke a hugely negative reaction against the club. A less charitable interpretation of this development might be that it is designed to force the Radlett Road residents into accepting an extension of the controlled parking regime into their area. No one objects to the activity but to the location and it's impact. My guess is it will all end in tears for the Liberal Democrats once local people realise the full impact it will have on their lives. It is probably too late for the Council to change the venue for the club, especially after they have sunk such substantial sums into the location without ever once thinking about consulting local people on it. They would have been better off identifying an existing community centre somewhere else in Watford and moving the club there. The land being appropriated behind the Irish Centre on Wiggenhall Road is still - I believe - at serious risk of flooding, even after a new road is built on it, as is the land being allocated for 750 housing units on the West Watford flood plain. All these developments could well turn into a massive ****-up of the most prodigious kind with Watford tax payers having to meet a huge range of very expensive bills.[/p][/quote]It's within 15-20 minutes walk of Watford Junction Station which is the biggest transport hub in the county. What's the public transport to the football ground on match day? People walk from the town centre. Is this further away? Queens Road parade is desolate maybe this will bring some passing trade. All joking apart with the population growing as it is we should be discouraging cars. Why do people need two cars per household living 10 minutes walk from the Biggest Transport Hub in the County? Disability is a valid reason. Laziness and misanthropy are not.[/p][/quote]Church car park is nearer to Vicarage road, and if you live locally you will know that the Girls grammar school open up their land for parking as do Fisher industrial estate. the town hall is 10 minutes from watford Junction - it has a large car park. The Intu is within 10 -15 minutes of Watford junction - it has thousands of car parking places. I think the point is most contributors think this is a poor location for the proposed activity, especially when other options are available.[/p][/quote]The Intu would be for people who are shopping so they may have heavy goods to carry, but I take your point. Think the comparison to the football works better as most away fans would come into a station and walk through the town so they can have a beer. Think it's a great location TBH. It's not users objecting either....it's nimbys CaptainPC
  • Score: 1

2:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

John Dowdle says...

Looking at some of the comments above, I am left wondering if they know just where the proposed facility is located?
It is right on the very edge of Watford. The nearby River Colne markes the boundary between Watford and Bushey. It is located on a very minor stretch of road which has no public transport service nearby.
Someone seemed to think that you could get to it by walking along Queens Road (The Broadway), thereby making it possible to support retail traders. It is nowhere near those shops.
The site is isolated from any retail premises, except for the shop on the Radlett Road Estate. However, I don't suppose they would benefit much as - presumably - the proposed club house will stock the kind of products that players and spectators will want to consume.
As someone else has pointed out, for disabled supporters and spectators, access and egress to and from the site will be difficult.
As said before, no one objects to the activity but to the location.
There is insufficient parking available on-site and the local roads are now almost all double yellow-lined so no on-road parking is available.
If the Council has central government money to throw around and wants to claim the credit for spending the money, all well and good - I suppose.
But yet another vanity project will end up turning Watford into an over-manicured part of what is supposed to be a natural area within a countryside setting.
The Council is turning Watford from a Hertfordshire country town into an inner-London suburb before our very eyes.
They - and the Mayor in particular - may say that this is what local voters have voted for. But just how clear was it that there would be so much change taking place tpo our Watford?
I don't think that has ever been made clear by people at the Town Hall.
Looking at some of the comments above, I am left wondering if they know just where the proposed facility is located? It is right on the very edge of Watford. The nearby River Colne markes the boundary between Watford and Bushey. It is located on a very minor stretch of road which has no public transport service nearby. Someone seemed to think that you could get to it by walking along Queens Road (The Broadway), thereby making it possible to support retail traders. It is nowhere near those shops. The site is isolated from any retail premises, except for the shop on the Radlett Road Estate. However, I don't suppose they would benefit much as - presumably - the proposed club house will stock the kind of products that players and spectators will want to consume. As someone else has pointed out, for disabled supporters and spectators, access and egress to and from the site will be difficult. As said before, no one objects to the activity but to the location. There is insufficient parking available on-site and the local roads are now almost all double yellow-lined so no on-road parking is available. If the Council has central government money to throw around and wants to claim the credit for spending the money, all well and good - I suppose. But yet another vanity project will end up turning Watford into an over-manicured part of what is supposed to be a natural area within a countryside setting. The Council is turning Watford from a Hertfordshire country town into an inner-London suburb before our very eyes. They - and the Mayor in particular - may say that this is what local voters have voted for. But just how clear was it that there would be so much change taking place tpo our Watford? I don't think that has ever been made clear by people at the Town Hall. John Dowdle
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2:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

TRT says...

Can you post coordinates or a map link?

Note to WO - SORT OUT HYPERLINKS IN COMMENTS, PLEASE!
Can you post coordinates or a map link? Note to WO - SORT OUT HYPERLINKS IN COMMENTS, PLEASE! TRT
  • Score: 0

2:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

crazyfrog says...

The good people of Watford voted this Mayor into power soon and very soon will they reap what they have sown when this mammoth concrete jungle of flats and unaffordable housing is built next to the hospital just remember when a poorly relative is waiting in the back of an ambulance for hours or turned away from watford general altogether because it's been overwhelmed and had to shut just remember that you voted this mayor into power!!!!!
The good people of Watford voted this Mayor into power soon and very soon will they reap what they have sown when this mammoth concrete jungle of flats and unaffordable housing is built next to the hospital just remember when a poorly relative is waiting in the back of an ambulance for hours or turned away from watford general altogether because it's been overwhelmed and had to shut just remember that you voted this mayor into power!!!!! crazyfrog
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

John Dowdle says...

If you link to the Environment Agency flood map page http://watermaps.env
ironment-agency.gov.
uk/wiyby/wiyby.aspx?
lang=_e&topic=floodm
ap&layer=0&x=510500&
y=197500&scale=10&lo
cation=Watford%2c+He
rtfordshire#x=511360
&y=197082&scale=11 and go to 511953, 197062 you see that the proposed location near to the junction of Radlett Road and Orphanage Road is in an area of low flood risk but the site is adjacent to an area of high flood risk.
This could mean that during times of high rainfall that all games may have to be cancelled.
Bear in mind the Met Office has predicted wetter and warmer winters for the UK in future, i.e. higher rainfall levels in future.
A very stupid choice of location, would you not say?
If you link to the Environment Agency flood map page http://watermaps.env ironment-agency.gov. uk/wiyby/wiyby.aspx? lang=_e&topic=floodm ap&layer=0&x=510500& y=197500&scale=10&lo cation=Watford%2c+He rtfordshire#x=511360 &y=197082&scale=11 and go to 511953, 197062 you see that the proposed location near to the junction of Radlett Road and Orphanage Road is in an area of low flood risk but the site is adjacent to an area of high flood risk. This could mean that during times of high rainfall that all games may have to be cancelled. Bear in mind the Met Office has predicted wetter and warmer winters for the UK in future, i.e. higher rainfall levels in future. A very stupid choice of location, would you not say? John Dowdle
  • Score: -3

3:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

garston tony says...

I have nothing against the sport, i've never seen it played but fair play to those that do participate. I say that as I dont want to sound like i'm having a dig at the sport/local club, but a million quid!!! Seriously but what is the council up to?

They are putting a lot of egg into the basket that is this proposed development, what were we told a few weeks ago was it £2.5 million already spent on legal fees and consultants. This takes it up to £3.5million and the darned thing hasnt even been approved yet.

In how much do do will the council be financially if the whole 'campus' developement falls through?
I have nothing against the sport, i've never seen it played but fair play to those that do participate. I say that as I dont want to sound like i'm having a dig at the sport/local club, but a million quid!!! Seriously but what is the council up to? They are putting a lot of egg into the basket that is this proposed development, what were we told a few weeks ago was it £2.5 million already spent on legal fees and consultants. This takes it up to £3.5million and the darned thing hasnt even been approved yet. In how much do do will the council be financially if the whole 'campus' developement falls through? garston tony
  • Score: 1

3:27pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Keefer says...

HermanGoering wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
Keefer wrote:
They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport?
Parking? Don’t make me laugh. When has the council ever shown concern for the need to provide adequate facilities for the Watford hoi-polloi to use cars?

In the blinkered world of planning, we are all expected to accept that we do all our travelling on foot, by bicycle or on public transport. Road congestion, the constant battle for parking space and the fleecing of drivers exists by design and intent. It's a never ending onslaught that is trying to force all us wicked people to stop using cars.

It never matters a jot to today’s politicians that, for the majority of the population, cars are a necessity of modern life. So here we see the inbuilt car deterrent of provision for only eighteen spaces which will frequently prove inadequate. Do you think that our masters care about the inevitable problems it will create for the local residents? You know the answer.
Cars are a necessity of modern life-If you are disabled or transporting someone who is disabled.

I think it is a good idea to encourage people to walk 15 to 20 minutes.

Also not a bad idea to provide high quality sports pitches for communities.

There's an obesity epidemic and people are whinging about a sports club's facilities impinging on their human right to be idle.

For the record I live about two hundred yards from the field and cycle past it regularly. I used to go past the old field and never had any problem.

Can't see any reasonable objection.

Obviously ukip are no strangers to unreasonable objections. :-) x
For the record: I walk a minimum of 3 miles every day during the course of my work! I say minimum because the average is around 5 miles plus. Not as many people have an obesity issue as the authorities would have YOU believe ...the scale used to gauge obesity is privately acknowledged by most Doctors & Nurses to be too conservative, and as a result generally healthy people are being mis-labeled.

Don't let the Government\Media's agenda fool you! Instead you should ask yourself how many obese people do YOU actually see on a daily basis, as opposed to how the Media portray the rise in obesity? I'll wager it's not any more than it used to be.

Perhaps if the players park across from your driveway, limiting your ability to maneuverer on and off your property freely, you'll change your mind ...albeit too late.
[quote][p][bold]HermanGoering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keefer[/bold] wrote: They're building changing rooms to accommodate 80 people! that much I get, So why do they think 18 parking spaces will be enough to hold those 80 persons' cars? I mean surely the majority of those 80 individuals with their kit and equipment in tow will drive rather than drag everything onto public transport?[/p][/quote]Parking? Don’t make me laugh. When has the council ever shown concern for the need to provide adequate facilities for the Watford hoi-polloi to use cars? In the blinkered world of planning, we are all expected to accept that we do all our travelling on foot, by bicycle or on public transport. Road congestion, the constant battle for parking space and the fleecing of drivers exists by design and intent. It's a never ending onslaught that is trying to force all us wicked people to stop using cars. It never matters a jot to today’s politicians that, for the majority of the population, cars are a necessity of modern life. So here we see the inbuilt car deterrent of provision for only eighteen spaces which will frequently prove inadequate. Do you think that our masters care about the inevitable problems it will create for the local residents? You know the answer.[/p][/quote]Cars are a necessity of modern life-If you are disabled or transporting someone who is disabled. I think it is a good idea to encourage people to walk 15 to 20 minutes. Also not a bad idea to provide high quality sports pitches for communities. There's an obesity epidemic and people are whinging about a sports club's facilities impinging on their human right to be idle. For the record I live about two hundred yards from the field and cycle past it regularly. I used to go past the old field and never had any problem. Can't see any reasonable objection. Obviously ukip are no strangers to unreasonable objections. :-) x[/p][/quote]For the record: I walk a minimum of 3 miles every day during the course of my work! I say minimum because the average is around 5 miles plus. Not as many people have an obesity issue as the authorities would have YOU believe ...the scale used to gauge obesity is privately acknowledged by most Doctors & Nurses to be too conservative, and as a result generally healthy people are being mis-labeled. Don't let the Government\Media's agenda fool you! Instead you should ask yourself how many obese people do YOU actually see on a daily basis, as opposed to how the Media portray the rise in obesity? I'll wager it's not any more than it used to be. Perhaps if the players park across from your driveway, limiting your ability to maneuverer on and off your property freely, you'll change your mind ...albeit too late. Keefer
  • Score: -2

3:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

TRT says...

John Dowdle wrote:
If you link to the Environment Agency flood map page http://watermaps.env

ironment-agency.gov.

uk/wiyby/wiyby.aspx?

lang=_e&topic=fl
oodm
ap&layer=0&x
=510500&
y=197500&scale=1
0&lo
cation=Watford%2c+He

rtfordshire#x=511360

&y=197082&sc
ale=11 and go to 511953, 197062 you see that the proposed location near to the junction of Radlett Road and Orphanage Road is in an area of low flood risk but the site is adjacent to an area of high flood risk.
This could mean that during times of high rainfall that all games may have to be cancelled.
Bear in mind the Met Office has predicted wetter and warmer winters for the UK in future, i.e. higher rainfall levels in future.
A very stupid choice of location, would you not say?
That concrete patch which leads behind the small row of houses at the roundabout at the junction of Orphenage and Radlett Road? That's where I thought they meant. Is that football pitch disused now? It was always in use a few years ago. The coordinates you pointed out from the map seem to be near the old William Street College buildings. There's a huge field there, scheduled for building flats, I believe. Much better location for a playing field. Or better still, leave it where it is!
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: If you link to the Environment Agency flood map page http://watermaps.env ironment-agency.gov. uk/wiyby/wiyby.aspx? lang=_e&topic=fl oodm ap&layer=0&x =510500& y=197500&scale=1 0&lo cation=Watford%2c+He rtfordshire#x=511360 &y=197082&sc ale=11 and go to 511953, 197062 you see that the proposed location near to the junction of Radlett Road and Orphanage Road is in an area of low flood risk but the site is adjacent to an area of high flood risk. This could mean that during times of high rainfall that all games may have to be cancelled. Bear in mind the Met Office has predicted wetter and warmer winters for the UK in future, i.e. higher rainfall levels in future. A very stupid choice of location, would you not say?[/p][/quote]That concrete patch which leads behind the small row of houses at the roundabout at the junction of Orphenage and Radlett Road? That's where I thought they meant. Is that football pitch disused now? It was always in use a few years ago. The coordinates you pointed out from the map seem to be near the old William Street College buildings. There's a huge field there, scheduled for building flats, I believe. Much better location for a playing field. Or better still, leave it where it is! TRT
  • Score: -2

3:43pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Veritas says...

"Queens road is desolate and maybe bring some passing trade?"

Never a more succinct statement made by a Liberal Troll!!!

Well with three Pathetic Lib councillors in the Central Ward covering
Queens road for the past Decade, you can only blame them for this!!

How are such an incompetent bunch of Liberal councillors running
Watford?

Wonder how many Fib Dem houses have more than 2 cars in the Drive
way?

Hypocrites come to mind.

Now we find out that the Dodgy Council bought the Land well before
any consultation, well done to the investigator who uncovered that.
Wonder if there is more hidden gems to discover about this Dodgy
Council?
"Queens road is desolate and maybe bring some passing trade?" Never a more succinct statement made by a Liberal Troll!!! Well with three Pathetic Lib councillors in the Central Ward covering Queens road for the past Decade, you can only blame them for this!! How are such an incompetent bunch of Liberal councillors running Watford? Wonder how many Fib Dem houses have more than 2 cars in the Drive way? Hypocrites come to mind. Now we find out that the Dodgy Council bought the Land well before any consultation, well done to the investigator who uncovered that. Wonder if there is more hidden gems to discover about this Dodgy Council? Veritas
  • Score: -2

4:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

John Dowdle says...

One thing that appears to be utterly lacking where Watford Council, the County Council and the Environment Agency are concerned is any kind of strategic or joined-up thinking.
What none of them appear to be capable of linking together is the CUMULATIVE effect of all these current development proposals on Watford.
Link together this current club proposal, concreting over Farm Terrace Allotments, placing a road on the present location of the hurling pitch (behind the Irish Centre, soon to be demolished) which was totally under water in February this year, and constructing 750 units on the West Watford flood plain - as well as the present Tesco superstore and hotel on Water Lane - and what do you get?
A certain recipe for flooding disasters of a scale and maignitude not ever before seen in Eastern, Southern and Western Watford.
That will be the legacy of our Town Hall to future generations of Watford residents.
Natural forces can wreak unimaginable destruction, as we have seen in other parts of the country this year. Our Council, in complicity with the County Council and the Environment Agency, are setting up just such a "perfect" storm for Watford in the not-too-distant future.
Of course, the current crop of politicians will not be bothered.
By then, they will all have retired on their comfortable pensions paid for by Watford council tax payers.
Few if any of them live in areas that will be affected but they will still expect local tax payers to continue to contribute to their generous pension and retirement packages, long after local home owners have been flooded out of their homes permanently.
One thing that appears to be utterly lacking where Watford Council, the County Council and the Environment Agency are concerned is any kind of strategic or joined-up thinking. What none of them appear to be capable of linking together is the CUMULATIVE effect of all these current development proposals on Watford. Link together this current club proposal, concreting over Farm Terrace Allotments, placing a road on the present location of the hurling pitch (behind the Irish Centre, soon to be demolished) which was totally under water in February this year, and constructing 750 units on the West Watford flood plain - as well as the present Tesco superstore and hotel on Water Lane - and what do you get? A certain recipe for flooding disasters of a scale and maignitude not ever before seen in Eastern, Southern and Western Watford. That will be the legacy of our Town Hall to future generations of Watford residents. Natural forces can wreak unimaginable destruction, as we have seen in other parts of the country this year. Our Council, in complicity with the County Council and the Environment Agency, are setting up just such a "perfect" storm for Watford in the not-too-distant future. Of course, the current crop of politicians will not be bothered. By then, they will all have retired on their comfortable pensions paid for by Watford council tax payers. Few if any of them live in areas that will be affected but they will still expect local tax payers to continue to contribute to their generous pension and retirement packages, long after local home owners have been flooded out of their homes permanently. John Dowdle
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

Veritas wrote:
"Queens road is desolate and maybe bring some passing trade?"

Never a more succinct statement made by a Liberal Troll!!!

Well with three Pathetic Lib councillors in the Central Ward covering
Queens road for the past Decade, you can only blame them for this!!

How are such an incompetent bunch of Liberal councillors running
Watford?

Wonder how many Fib Dem houses have more than 2 cars in the Drive
way?

Hypocrites come to mind.

Now we find out that the Dodgy Council bought the Land well before
any consultation, well done to the investigator who uncovered that.
Wonder if there is more hidden gems to discover about this Dodgy
Council?
Sorry mate, I'm not, nor ever have been, nor ever will be a LibDem or a car owner.

Honest resident with no axe to grind, not even part Irish, just can't see any reasonable objection.

I pay my council tax and I go through this area from Shaftesbury Road entrance to Link road every day.

If you seriously object about parking there is a car park a little further along Radlett Road where the Heron Statue is. There will probably be additional parking by the clubhouse which I assume is to be near where the Land Girl is. There is also parking at the Shaftesbury Road entrance and there's a large industrial estate over the road where presumably there is parking and there's loads of parking at Waterfield which would allow foot access from Water Lane.
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: "Queens road is desolate and maybe bring some passing trade?" Never a more succinct statement made by a Liberal Troll!!! Well with three Pathetic Lib councillors in the Central Ward covering Queens road for the past Decade, you can only blame them for this!! How are such an incompetent bunch of Liberal councillors running Watford? Wonder how many Fib Dem houses have more than 2 cars in the Drive way? Hypocrites come to mind. Now we find out that the Dodgy Council bought the Land well before any consultation, well done to the investigator who uncovered that. Wonder if there is more hidden gems to discover about this Dodgy Council?[/p][/quote]Sorry mate, I'm not, nor ever have been, nor ever will be a LibDem or a car owner. Honest resident with no axe to grind, not even part Irish, just can't see any reasonable objection. I pay my council tax and I go through this area from Shaftesbury Road entrance to Link road every day. If you seriously object about parking there is a car park a little further along Radlett Road where the Heron Statue is. There will probably be additional parking by the clubhouse which I assume is to be near where the Land Girl is. There is also parking at the Shaftesbury Road entrance and there's a large industrial estate over the road where presumably there is parking and there's loads of parking at Waterfield which would allow foot access from Water Lane. CaptainPC
  • Score: 5

5:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Looking at some of the comments above, I am left wondering if they know just where the proposed facility is located?
It is right on the very edge of Watford. The nearby River Colne markes the boundary between Watford and Bushey. It is located on a very minor stretch of road which has no public transport service nearby.
Someone seemed to think that you could get to it by walking along Queens Road (The Broadway), thereby making it possible to support retail traders. It is nowhere near those shops.
The site is isolated from any retail premises, except for the shop on the Radlett Road Estate. However, I don't suppose they would benefit much as - presumably - the proposed club house will stock the kind of products that players and spectators will want to consume.
As someone else has pointed out, for disabled supporters and spectators, access and egress to and from the site will be difficult.
As said before, no one objects to the activity but to the location.
There is insufficient parking available on-site and the local roads are now almost all double yellow-lined so no on-road parking is available.
If the Council has central government money to throw around and wants to claim the credit for spending the money, all well and good - I suppose.
But yet another vanity project will end up turning Watford into an over-manicured part of what is supposed to be a natural area within a countryside setting.
The Council is turning Watford from a Hertfordshire country town into an inner-London suburb before our very eyes.
They - and the Mayor in particular - may say that this is what local voters have voted for. But just how clear was it that there would be so much change taking place tpo our Watford?
I don't think that has ever been made clear by people at the Town Hall.
If I was walking from the town centre to where I understand this facility to be I would go down Queens Road, Queens Place and steps at the end to Radlett Road.

To be fair I take your point on the flats being built, but maybe chose your battles. This just seems like absolute Nimbyism.

There's a load of greenspace that is underused and now someone wants to use it.....Problem is?

Has anyone actually asked how much time there will be stuff going on.....?
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: Looking at some of the comments above, I am left wondering if they know just where the proposed facility is located? It is right on the very edge of Watford. The nearby River Colne markes the boundary between Watford and Bushey. It is located on a very minor stretch of road which has no public transport service nearby. Someone seemed to think that you could get to it by walking along Queens Road (The Broadway), thereby making it possible to support retail traders. It is nowhere near those shops. The site is isolated from any retail premises, except for the shop on the Radlett Road Estate. However, I don't suppose they would benefit much as - presumably - the proposed club house will stock the kind of products that players and spectators will want to consume. As someone else has pointed out, for disabled supporters and spectators, access and egress to and from the site will be difficult. As said before, no one objects to the activity but to the location. There is insufficient parking available on-site and the local roads are now almost all double yellow-lined so no on-road parking is available. If the Council has central government money to throw around and wants to claim the credit for spending the money, all well and good - I suppose. But yet another vanity project will end up turning Watford into an over-manicured part of what is supposed to be a natural area within a countryside setting. The Council is turning Watford from a Hertfordshire country town into an inner-London suburb before our very eyes. They - and the Mayor in particular - may say that this is what local voters have voted for. But just how clear was it that there would be so much change taking place tpo our Watford? I don't think that has ever been made clear by people at the Town Hall.[/p][/quote]If I was walking from the town centre to where I understand this facility to be I would go down Queens Road, Queens Place and steps at the end to Radlett Road. To be fair I take your point on the flats being built, but maybe chose your battles. This just seems like absolute Nimbyism. There's a load of greenspace that is underused and now someone wants to use it.....Problem is? Has anyone actually asked how much time there will be stuff going on.....? CaptainPC
  • Score: 4

5:21pm Wed 13 Aug 14

CaptainPC says...

John Dowdle wrote:
One thing that appears to be utterly lacking where Watford Council, the County Council and the Environment Agency are concerned is any kind of strategic or joined-up thinking.
What none of them appear to be capable of linking together is the CUMULATIVE effect of all these current development proposals on Watford.
Link together this current club proposal, concreting over Farm Terrace Allotments, placing a road on the present location of the hurling pitch (behind the Irish Centre, soon to be demolished) which was totally under water in February this year, and constructing 750 units on the West Watford flood plain - as well as the present Tesco superstore and hotel on Water Lane - and what do you get?
A certain recipe for flooding disasters of a scale and maignitude not ever before seen in Eastern, Southern and Western Watford.
That will be the legacy of our Town Hall to future generations of Watford residents.
Natural forces can wreak unimaginable destruction, as we have seen in other parts of the country this year. Our Council, in complicity with the County Council and the Environment Agency, are setting up just such a "perfect" storm for Watford in the not-too-distant future.
Of course, the current crop of politicians will not be bothered.
By then, they will all have retired on their comfortable pensions paid for by Watford council tax payers.
Few if any of them live in areas that will be affected but they will still expect local tax payers to continue to contribute to their generous pension and retirement packages, long after local home owners have been flooded out of their homes permanently.
Where's Southern Watford.
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: One thing that appears to be utterly lacking where Watford Council, the County Council and the Environment Agency are concerned is any kind of strategic or joined-up thinking. What none of them appear to be capable of linking together is the CUMULATIVE effect of all these current development proposals on Watford. Link together this current club proposal, concreting over Farm Terrace Allotments, placing a road on the present location of the hurling pitch (behind the Irish Centre, soon to be demolished) which was totally under water in February this year, and constructing 750 units on the West Watford flood plain - as well as the present Tesco superstore and hotel on Water Lane - and what do you get? A certain recipe for flooding disasters of a scale and maignitude not ever before seen in Eastern, Southern and Western Watford. That will be the legacy of our Town Hall to future generations of Watford residents. Natural forces can wreak unimaginable destruction, as we have seen in other parts of the country this year. Our Council, in complicity with the County Council and the Environment Agency, are setting up just such a "perfect" storm for Watford in the not-too-distant future. Of course, the current crop of politicians will not be bothered. By then, they will all have retired on their comfortable pensions paid for by Watford council tax payers. Few if any of them live in areas that will be affected but they will still expect local tax payers to continue to contribute to their generous pension and retirement packages, long after local home owners have been flooded out of their homes permanently.[/p][/quote]Where's Southern Watford. CaptainPC
  • Score: 1

7:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Andrew1963 says...

Watford South sub station is Riverside road, so I suppose they mean south of the river colne
Watford South sub station is Riverside road, so I suppose they mean south of the river colne Andrew1963
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

TRT wrote:
itsafamilyclub!!! wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'.

Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects.

By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money.

That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch.

The con goes on.
Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn?

These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good..
I think you'll find it's UKIP associating with the allotment holders, but then reading was never your strong point, and you're a bit hard of thinking too, familyclub.
one mans associating is anothers jumping on the bandwagon
[quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsafamilyclub!!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'. Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects. By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money. That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch. The con goes on.[/p][/quote]Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn? These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good..[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it's UKIP associating with the allotment holders, but then reading was never your strong point, and you're a bit hard of thinking too, familyclub.[/p][/quote]one mans associating is anothers jumping on the bandwagon ancientandageing
  • Score: 4

8:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ancientandageing says...

Parking will be a major issue for visiting teams that is for sure, just look up the road at Watford rugby club on match days
Parking will be a major issue for visiting teams that is for sure, just look up the road at Watford rugby club on match days ancientandageing
  • Score: -3

10:39pm Wed 13 Aug 14

John Dowdle says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
The real question is why this established sports field had been allowed to deteriorate to the point where it needs major investment. Regular maintenance might have avoided this situation. Bringing it back into use will benefit all sorts off field sports, not just hurling and Gaelic football, but football, cricket, rugby. It's a classic win-win providing a new home for the hurling club and a high quality multi use pitch for anyone else who wants to use it, Labour voting against the proposal shows how little they respect their voters who would benefit from it.
You don't get it at all, do you?
The club moving is because the Irish Centre has been closed down by the Council so that the land behind the Centre, i.e. the hurling pitch, is available to build a so-called hospital access road.
I say 'so-called' because - like most of the rest of the "smoke and mirrors" surrounding this and other projects, it is impossible to know just what the straight truth is where the Council is concerned.
Is the proposed road really meant for the hospital or is it an alternative route in for the proposed 750 accommodation units? Who knows?
Maintenance of the pitch is not the reason the pitch is being moved.
Before posting comments in future, why don't you try finding out the facts of any situation you are commenting on?
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: The real question is why this established sports field had been allowed to deteriorate to the point where it needs major investment. Regular maintenance might have avoided this situation. Bringing it back into use will benefit all sorts off field sports, not just hurling and Gaelic football, but football, cricket, rugby. It's a classic win-win providing a new home for the hurling club and a high quality multi use pitch for anyone else who wants to use it, Labour voting against the proposal shows how little they respect their voters who would benefit from it.[/p][/quote]You don't get it at all, do you? The club moving is because the Irish Centre has been closed down by the Council so that the land behind the Centre, i.e. the hurling pitch, is available to build a so-called hospital access road. I say 'so-called' because - like most of the rest of the "smoke and mirrors" surrounding this and other projects, it is impossible to know just what the straight truth is where the Council is concerned. Is the proposed road really meant for the hospital or is it an alternative route in for the proposed 750 accommodation units? Who knows? Maintenance of the pitch is not the reason the pitch is being moved. Before posting comments in future, why don't you try finding out the facts of any situation you are commenting on? John Dowdle
  • Score: 0

10:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

John Dowdle says...

CaptainPC wrote:
John Dowdle wrote:
One thing that appears to be utterly lacking where Watford Council, the County Council and the Environment Agency are concerned is any kind of strategic or joined-up thinking.
What none of them appear to be capable of linking together is the CUMULATIVE effect of all these current development proposals on Watford.
Link together this current club proposal, concreting over Farm Terrace Allotments, placing a road on the present location of the hurling pitch (behind the Irish Centre, soon to be demolished) which was totally under water in February this year, and constructing 750 units on the West Watford flood plain - as well as the present Tesco superstore and hotel on Water Lane - and what do you get?
A certain recipe for flooding disasters of a scale and maignitude not ever before seen in Eastern, Southern and Western Watford.
That will be the legacy of our Town Hall to future generations of Watford residents.
Natural forces can wreak unimaginable destruction, as we have seen in other parts of the country this year. Our Council, in complicity with the County Council and the Environment Agency, are setting up just such a "perfect" storm for Watford in the not-too-distant future.
Of course, the current crop of politicians will not be bothered.
By then, they will all have retired on their comfortable pensions paid for by Watford council tax payers.
Few if any of them live in areas that will be affected but they will still expect local tax payers to continue to contribute to their generous pension and retirement packages, long after local home owners have been flooded out of their homes permanently.
Where's Southern Watford.
The Lower High Street and Bushey Arches area.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: One thing that appears to be utterly lacking where Watford Council, the County Council and the Environment Agency are concerned is any kind of strategic or joined-up thinking. What none of them appear to be capable of linking together is the CUMULATIVE effect of all these current development proposals on Watford. Link together this current club proposal, concreting over Farm Terrace Allotments, placing a road on the present location of the hurling pitch (behind the Irish Centre, soon to be demolished) which was totally under water in February this year, and constructing 750 units on the West Watford flood plain - as well as the present Tesco superstore and hotel on Water Lane - and what do you get? A certain recipe for flooding disasters of a scale and maignitude not ever before seen in Eastern, Southern and Western Watford. That will be the legacy of our Town Hall to future generations of Watford residents. Natural forces can wreak unimaginable destruction, as we have seen in other parts of the country this year. Our Council, in complicity with the County Council and the Environment Agency, are setting up just such a "perfect" storm for Watford in the not-too-distant future. Of course, the current crop of politicians will not be bothered. By then, they will all have retired on their comfortable pensions paid for by Watford council tax payers. Few if any of them live in areas that will be affected but they will still expect local tax payers to continue to contribute to their generous pension and retirement packages, long after local home owners have been flooded out of their homes permanently.[/p][/quote]Where's Southern Watford.[/p][/quote]The Lower High Street and Bushey Arches area. John Dowdle
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Cuetip says...

Hornet1234 wrote:
Brilliant news. As a member/player of the Club that these facilities are being provided, i can firmly say that this is a positive move from the Council. Our Club caters for all age groups from as young as 3/4 to men. The new facility will be well looked after and is a great opportunity for Radlett Rd to be the home to some big matches/games within GAA. Looking forward to the future of GAA in Watford and rebuilding a community that was lost with the closure of the Warford Irish Centre.
Amid all the chat about sport for all, what must not be forgotten in this story of a fictitious brand new hospital built in a highly congested area is that it continues to hang like the sword of Damocles.

With an election looming, there will be more pots of money doled out to appease the masses in the highly marginal areas and the bigger picture is of a new hospital campus is quietly lost.

It provides an acid environment to ensure other NHS services wither on the vine in a climate of uncertainty. Longer ambulance journey times as patients are shunted from pillar to post which portrays the NHS as inefficient creating a case for further privatisation.

Can you even conceivably imagine a million pound golf club creating 18 parking spaces in a residential area?
[quote][p][bold]Hornet1234[/bold] wrote: Brilliant news. As a member/player of the Club that these facilities are being provided, i can firmly say that this is a positive move from the Council. Our Club caters for all age groups from as young as 3/4 to men. The new facility will be well looked after and is a great opportunity for Radlett Rd to be the home to some big matches/games within GAA. Looking forward to the future of GAA in Watford and rebuilding a community that was lost with the closure of the Warford Irish Centre.[/p][/quote]Amid all the chat about sport for all, what must not be forgotten in this story of a fictitious brand new hospital built in a highly congested area is that it continues to hang like the sword of Damocles. With an election looming, there will be more pots of money doled out to appease the masses in the highly marginal areas and the bigger picture is of a new hospital campus is quietly lost. It provides an acid environment to ensure other NHS services wither on the vine in a climate of uncertainty. Longer ambulance journey times as patients are shunted from pillar to post which portrays the NHS as inefficient creating a case for further privatisation. Can you even conceivably imagine a million pound golf club creating 18 parking spaces in a residential area? Cuetip
  • Score: 2

2:23pm Sat 16 Aug 14

John Dowdle says...

Cuetip wrote:
Hornet1234 wrote:
Brilliant news. As a member/player of the Club that these facilities are being provided, i can firmly say that this is a positive move from the Council. Our Club caters for all age groups from as young as 3/4 to men. The new facility will be well looked after and is a great opportunity for Radlett Rd to be the home to some big matches/games within GAA. Looking forward to the future of GAA in Watford and rebuilding a community that was lost with the closure of the Warford Irish Centre.
Amid all the chat about sport for all, what must not be forgotten in this story of a fictitious brand new hospital built in a highly congested area is that it continues to hang like the sword of Damocles.

With an election looming, there will be more pots of money doled out to appease the masses in the highly marginal areas and the bigger picture is of a new hospital campus is quietly lost.

It provides an acid environment to ensure other NHS services wither on the vine in a climate of uncertainty. Longer ambulance journey times as patients are shunted from pillar to post which portrays the NHS as inefficient creating a case for further privatisation.

Can you even conceivably imagine a million pound golf club creating 18 parking spaces in a residential area?
The latest report ("Hospital trust admits asbestos risk" - a quite chilling insight into the mentality of the hospital management) in the Watford Observer - page 9, August 15 edition - states that Colin McCaul QC - just how much did he cost the trust and us taxpayers? - saying that the trust's deficit this year is running at £13,370,000.
With this kind of deficit - and predicted to rise to over £120 million within 4 years (from memory) - just where will the money be found for a brand new hospital by the time 750 residential units have been plonked down on the West Watford Flood Plain?
[quote][p][bold]Cuetip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hornet1234[/bold] wrote: Brilliant news. As a member/player of the Club that these facilities are being provided, i can firmly say that this is a positive move from the Council. Our Club caters for all age groups from as young as 3/4 to men. The new facility will be well looked after and is a great opportunity for Radlett Rd to be the home to some big matches/games within GAA. Looking forward to the future of GAA in Watford and rebuilding a community that was lost with the closure of the Warford Irish Centre.[/p][/quote]Amid all the chat about sport for all, what must not be forgotten in this story of a fictitious brand new hospital built in a highly congested area is that it continues to hang like the sword of Damocles. With an election looming, there will be more pots of money doled out to appease the masses in the highly marginal areas and the bigger picture is of a new hospital campus is quietly lost. It provides an acid environment to ensure other NHS services wither on the vine in a climate of uncertainty. Longer ambulance journey times as patients are shunted from pillar to post which portrays the NHS as inefficient creating a case for further privatisation. Can you even conceivably imagine a million pound golf club creating 18 parking spaces in a residential area?[/p][/quote]The latest report ("Hospital trust admits asbestos risk" - a quite chilling insight into the mentality of the hospital management) in the Watford Observer - page 9, August 15 edition - states that Colin McCaul QC - just how much did he cost the trust and us taxpayers? - saying that the trust's deficit this year is running at £13,370,000. With this kind of deficit - and predicted to rise to over £120 million within 4 years (from memory) - just where will the money be found for a brand new hospital by the time 750 residential units have been plonked down on the West Watford Flood Plain? John Dowdle
  • Score: -1

10:09pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Sec.andTreasurer says...

£1,000,000 seems to me to be an obscene amount of money to spend promoting what must be very much a minority sport. Other commentators have mentioned the closure of the Irish Club in Wiggenhall Road; my assumption is that it closed due to lack of support, so £1m looks to me like good money being thrown after bad
£1,000,000 seems to me to be an obscene amount of money to spend promoting what must be very much a minority sport. Other commentators have mentioned the closure of the Irish Club in Wiggenhall Road; my assumption is that it closed due to lack of support, so £1m looks to me like good money being thrown after bad Sec.andTreasurer
  • Score: 0

3:24pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Cuetip says...

Wacko Jacko says... …The real question …Labour voting against the proposal shows how little they respect their voters who would benefit from it. Why always the biased tribal tosh?

Surely the real questions are being asked by the Tory rag The Telegraph which the Liberals have become conjoined.
‘One school playing field is being sold off every three weeks under the Coalition, official figures show. …The rate appears to be quickening … Education secretary ignored advice from panel five times over 15 months - more than in the previous nine years’

Tim Lamb, chief executive of the Sport and Recreation Alliance, added: “We strongly believe that every child should have access to adequate open space – it’s essential for delivering a broad and balanced PE curriculum.’’

The Lib / Tory are also examining plans to free local authorities from a 103-year-old obligation to provide plots of public land for cultivation by gardeners. The proposals could see local authorities, many of them strapped for cash under government-imposed cuts, selling off allotment land for social housing or even for profit to major companies.

As regards the increased the concrete coverage in West Watford, do you not think that every human deserves access to open space in developing a habitat for sustainable life especially with the financial cosh that many working families are still experiencing after 4 years of the Lib / Tory reign and they want to subject the majority of people in this country to another 5 years.

In your naked pursuit of tribal power at all costs you would do well to bear in mind not everything in life has a price, but everything has a value.
Wacko Jacko says... …The real question …Labour voting against the proposal shows how little they respect their voters who would benefit from it. Why always the biased tribal tosh? Surely the real questions are being asked by the Tory rag The Telegraph which the Liberals have become conjoined. ‘One school playing field is being sold off every three weeks under the Coalition, official figures show. …The rate appears to be quickening … Education secretary ignored advice from panel five times over 15 months - more than in the previous nine years’ Tim Lamb, chief executive of the Sport and Recreation Alliance, added: “We strongly believe that every child should have access to adequate open space – it’s essential for delivering a broad and balanced PE curriculum.’’ The Lib / Tory are also examining plans to free local authorities from a 103-year-old obligation to provide plots of public land for cultivation by gardeners. The proposals could see local authorities, many of them strapped for cash under government-imposed cuts, selling off allotment land for social housing or even for profit to major companies. As regards the increased the concrete coverage in West Watford, do you not think that every human deserves access to open space in developing a habitat for sustainable life especially with the financial cosh that many working families are still experiencing after 4 years of the Lib / Tory reign and they want to subject the majority of people in this country to another 5 years. In your naked pursuit of tribal power at all costs you would do well to bear in mind not everything in life has a price, but everything has a value. Cuetip
  • Score: 1

9:50am Mon 18 Aug 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

ancientandageing wrote:
TRT wrote:
itsafamilyclub!!! wrote:
D_Penn wrote:
I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'.

Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects.

By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money.

That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch.

The con goes on.
Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn?

These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good..
I think you'll find it's UKIP associating with the allotment holders, but then reading was never your strong point, and you're a bit hard of thinking too, familyclub.
one mans associating is anothers jumping on the bandwagon
I'm sure she's right. For Labour that would most likely be the case of jumping on a bandwagon.

We in UKIP have principles, and it is right in principle to support the allotment holders from a potentially illegal land grab. Whether it gains us votes or not, we will do what is right.
[quote][p][bold]ancientandageing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TRT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsafamilyclub!!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D_Penn[/bold] wrote: I remember being in the public gallery when WBC was discussing the fate of Farm Terrace allotments. The then dubious and now thoroughly discredited argument was that without the money from the allotments the new Health Campus, or Housing Estate as it is now, would be 'bareley viable' and to go ahead without taking out the allotments would be 'too risky'. Since that day we have discovered that the council has, in fact, got plenty of money stuffed in its vaults. Enough, for example, for a 4.3 milion spend on The Parade amongst other vanity projects. By their very spendthrift actions, the LibDem council have proven that their housing project would have been clearly affordable with the allotments being retained. As we all knew at the time, the only reason they didn't want the allotments was so that they could squish in even more flats into the space giving them plentry of excess money. That will be used, as with amounts from other developments, to keep down Council Tax to help get themselves reelected and to waste on more ridiculous vanity schemes, such as this million quid hurling pitch. The con goes on.[/p][/quote]Oh look the far right UKIP propaganda minister is back, those nasty UKIP posters put up before the election didnt do much good did they Mr Penn? These allotment holders associating with far right groups like UKIP are not doing them much good..[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it's UKIP associating with the allotment holders, but then reading was never your strong point, and you're a bit hard of thinking too, familyclub.[/p][/quote]one mans associating is anothers jumping on the bandwagon[/p][/quote]I'm sure she's right. For Labour that would most likely be the case of jumping on a bandwagon. We in UKIP have principles, and it is right in principle to support the allotment holders from a potentially illegal land grab. Whether it gains us votes or not, we will do what is right. Phil Cox (UKIP)
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9:54am Mon 18 Aug 14

Phil Cox (UKIP) says...

#UKMum wrote:
OK if cars are to be ditched can we ascertain when non car ownership will become part of the contract for being a WB councillor.
Don't you remember the old Soviet Union?

Our masters will be the last ones to have cars when the likes of us have been brainwashed and taxed into losing ours.
[quote][p][bold]#UKMum[/bold] wrote: OK if cars are to be ditched can we ascertain when non car ownership will become part of the contract for being a WB councillor.[/p][/quote]Don't you remember the old Soviet Union? Our masters will be the last ones to have cars when the likes of us have been brainwashed and taxed into losing ours. Phil Cox (UKIP)
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