Gaza crisis to be discussed at a public meeting in Watford next week

Gaza crisis to be discussed at a public meeting in Watford next week

Gaza crisis to be discussed at a public meeting in Watford next week

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The Gaza crisis will be discussed at a public meeting in Watford next week.

The public meeting has been organised by the Watford Anti-Cuts Union and it will be held at Watford Christian Spiritualist Church, Escourt Road, Watford, at 7.45pm on Wednesday (August 20).

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10:19am Fri 15 Aug 14

P Doherty says...

Any MPs or "VIP" people going to be present?
Not much to go by in the article....
Any MPs or "VIP" people going to be present? Not much to go by in the article.... P Doherty
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Fri 15 Aug 14

garston tony says...

Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?
Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too? garston tony
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Fri 15 Aug 14

enlightened one says...

garston tony wrote:
Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?
You are joking ??????
Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?[/p][/quote]You are joking ?????? Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas. enlightened one
  • Score: -9

3:26pm Fri 15 Aug 14

P Doherty says...

enlightened one wrote:
garston tony wrote:
Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?
You are joking ??????
Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.
Usual moronic right wingers denouncing the defenseless Palestinians.....

Response to a not very "enlightened one"!
[quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?[/p][/quote]You are joking ?????? Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.[/p][/quote]Usual moronic right wingers denouncing the defenseless Palestinians..... Response to a not very "enlightened one"! P Doherty
  • Score: 11

3:38pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Harry Caine says...

enlightened one wrote:
garston tony wrote:
Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?
You are joking ??????
Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.
The Israeli propaganda machine is in overdrive, desperately trying to justify the current slaughter.
Here is the truth, based on reports by the UN, Save the Children, medical staff, journalists and NGOs on the ground.

Myth: Israel is a law-abiding nation seeking to live in peace with its neighbours.
The truth: In 1948, shortly after the embryonic UN gave 56% of Palestine to the largely immigrant, minority Jewish population, the Jewish forces expelled most of the indigenous Palestinians and took 78% of the land. The inhabitants of 247 villages in southern Palestine were driven out and herded into a tiny strip of land on the coast – Gaza. The villages were then razed to the ground. Since then, the refugees are the target of Israel’s regular attacks. Israel has violated more UN resolutions than any other state, and is in daily violation of the 4th Geneva Convention throughout the Occupied Territories.

Myth: Israel is threatened by its Arab neighbours.
The truth: Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations and trade agreements with Israel. Lebanon and Syria do not, as Israel still occupies part of their territory. On several occasions the Arab League has offered Israel full normalisation in return for a viable Palestinian state on the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. Israel has refused.

Myth: Israel made a generous gesture in removing its 8000 illegal settlers from Gaza in 2005
The truth: Israel did withdraw 8000 settlers from Gaza, after 38 years of occupation – but immediately sent 30,000 more to the illegal settlements in the West Bank (which now has over 600,000 settlers). This was in accord with Ariel Sharon’s well known mantra: ‘Maximum land with minimum Palestinians’. Gaza was just too small and heavily populated to be worth colonising.
The withdrawal also made possible the imposition of a virtual blockade of the Strip and random violent incursions, without the danger of harming Israeli nationals.

Myth: Israel has for many years suffered terribly from thousands of missiles fired from Gaza.

The truth: The first homemade Qassam missile was fired across the Israeli border in October 2001; the first fatality occurred in March 2007. In the three major clashes since then over 3,800 Palestinians have been killed (largely civilians) and about 185 Israelis (mostly soldiers).
In military terms the rockets are ineffectual, compared to the fire-power of the US F-16s, Apache helicopter gunships, drones, Merkava tanks and naval gunships with which Israel is equipped. The Iron Dome defence system, funded largely by the US, has proved extremely efficient. Israel is seeking to sell the system worldwide; the current demonstration of its capability in a real life situation will prove a great selling point.

Myth: Israel’s bombardment and invasion of Gaza was purely defensive – a reaction to Hamas rocket attacks.

The truth: Netanyahu claimed, wrongly, that Hamas was responsible for the kidnapping and murder of three Jewish teenagers, returning to Israel from an illegal settlement. As an Israel general pointed out at the time, it was a ‘rogue’ cell of militants who carried out the murder.
Nevertheless, Israel used this as an excuse to go on the rampage in the West Bank, even before the murdered teenagers were found, killing six Palestinians and doing millions of dollars worth of damage. Hamas responded by firing rockets into Israel, and Israel then launched its most recent, month-long assault.

Myth: Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation bent on Israel’s destruction. There is no possibility of Israel negotiating with them.

The truth: Hamas is a nationalist, Islamist organisation consisting of a political party, with a military wing, which for years was largely responsible for running hospitals and schools in Gaza, in a situation of military occupation. Even secular Palestinians saw them as efficient and non-corrupt.
When they were democratically elected in 2006, they offered Israel a ten-year truce, during which time negotiations could take place. Israel rejected this, and continued to quote earlier Hamas manifestos which called for the return of Palestinian land and property. World statesmen including President Carter, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Chris Patten have called for direct for talks with Hamas.

Myth: Hamas took over Gaza in a coup in June 2007

The truth: Hamas won the 2006 general elections, which international observers considered free and fair, and formed a unity government in which MPs from Fatah and other parties were offered ministerial posts. However, in June 2006 Israeli troops abducted dozens of Hamas ministers and parliamentarians and put them in jail, while the US and other governments joined Israel in refusing to recognise or speak to Hamas.
Israel and the US encouraged Fatah to stage a coup in Gaza, but Hamas pre-empted this in June 2007 and has retained power in the Gaza Strip since then.

Myth: Israel always tries to minimise civilian casualties – it is targeting only Hamas.

The truth: Israel has the most technically advanced weaponry in the world, with the possible exception of the US. Its computerised drone planes (which it sells to the UK) send back extremely detailed information about every square foot of the Gaza Strip. UN officials send Israel detailed information on the places sheltering refugees. And yet many hundreds of civilians have been killed and wounded and the main power plant, ambulances, schools, mosques and hospitals have been destroyed.

Myth: Any nation faced with missile or bomb attacks would respond with massive fire power.

The truth: For years Britain experienced terrorist attacks by the IRA, with many more fatalities than Israel has suffered. It never resorted to bombing civilian targets and infrastructure, but succeeded through patient negotiation.

Myth: Hamas uses the citizens of Gaza as ‘human shields’.
The truth: Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth, 1.8 million inhabitants live in an area about 25 miles long and five miles wide. There are no caves, deserts or forests to hide in or operate from.

Myth: People who criticise Israel are anti-Semitic.
The truth: To be anti-Semitic is to be racist towards Jews. But many Jews, and even some Israelis, are highly critical of Israel’s policies. The policies of ethnic cleansing and seizure of land are rooted in Zionism, or the belief that Jews have exclusive rights to Palestine. To be anti-Zionist is to oppose this ideology and these policies. But Israel uses the anti-Semitism argument to intimidate people into silence.

Need to know more?
See www.palestinecampaig
n.org for information, publications, maps, current news and events. For detailed reports from international and Israeli organisations see: www.ochaopt.org, www.christianaid.org
.uk, www.savethechildren.
org.uk, www.adalah.org , www.btselem.org
[quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?[/p][/quote]You are joking ?????? Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.[/p][/quote]The Israeli propaganda machine is in overdrive, desperately trying to justify the current slaughter. Here is the truth, based on reports by the UN, Save the Children, medical staff, journalists and NGOs on the ground. Myth: Israel is a law-abiding nation seeking to live in peace with its neighbours. The truth: In 1948, shortly after the embryonic UN gave 56% of Palestine to the largely immigrant, minority Jewish population, the Jewish forces expelled most of the indigenous Palestinians and took 78% of the land. The inhabitants of 247 villages in southern Palestine were driven out and herded into a tiny strip of land on the coast – Gaza. The villages were then razed to the ground. Since then, the refugees are the target of Israel’s regular attacks. Israel has violated more UN resolutions than any other state, and is in daily violation of the 4th Geneva Convention throughout the Occupied Territories. Myth: Israel is threatened by its Arab neighbours. The truth: Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations and trade agreements with Israel. Lebanon and Syria do not, as Israel still occupies part of their territory. On several occasions the Arab League has offered Israel full normalisation in return for a viable Palestinian state on the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. Israel has refused. Myth: Israel made a generous gesture in removing its 8000 illegal settlers from Gaza in 2005 The truth: Israel did withdraw 8000 settlers from Gaza, after 38 years of occupation – but immediately sent 30,000 more to the illegal settlements in the West Bank (which now has over 600,000 settlers). This was in accord with Ariel Sharon’s well known mantra: ‘Maximum land with minimum Palestinians’. Gaza was just too small and heavily populated to be worth colonising. The withdrawal also made possible the imposition of a virtual blockade of the Strip and random violent incursions, without the danger of harming Israeli nationals. Myth: Israel has for many years suffered terribly from thousands of missiles fired from Gaza. The truth: The first homemade Qassam missile was fired across the Israeli border in October 2001; the first fatality occurred in March 2007. In the three major clashes since then over 3,800 Palestinians have been killed (largely civilians) and about 185 Israelis (mostly soldiers). In military terms the rockets are ineffectual, compared to the fire-power of the US F-16s, Apache helicopter gunships, drones, Merkava tanks and naval gunships with which Israel is equipped. The Iron Dome defence system, funded largely by the US, has proved extremely efficient. Israel is seeking to sell the system worldwide; the current demonstration of its capability in a real life situation will prove a great selling point. Myth: Israel’s bombardment and invasion of Gaza was purely defensive – a reaction to Hamas rocket attacks. The truth: Netanyahu claimed, wrongly, that Hamas was responsible for the kidnapping and murder of three Jewish teenagers, returning to Israel from an illegal settlement. As an Israel general pointed out at the time, it was a ‘rogue’ cell of militants who carried out the murder. Nevertheless, Israel used this as an excuse to go on the rampage in the West Bank, even before the murdered teenagers were found, killing six Palestinians and doing millions of dollars worth of damage. Hamas responded by firing rockets into Israel, and Israel then launched its most recent, month-long assault. Myth: Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation bent on Israel’s destruction. There is no possibility of Israel negotiating with them. The truth: Hamas is a nationalist, Islamist organisation consisting of a political party, with a military wing, which for years was largely responsible for running hospitals and schools in Gaza, in a situation of military occupation. Even secular Palestinians saw them as efficient and non-corrupt. When they were democratically elected in 2006, they offered Israel a ten-year truce, during which time negotiations could take place. Israel rejected this, and continued to quote earlier Hamas manifestos which called for the return of Palestinian land and property. World statesmen including President Carter, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Chris Patten have called for direct for talks with Hamas. Myth: Hamas took over Gaza in a coup in June 2007 The truth: Hamas won the 2006 general elections, which international observers considered free and fair, and formed a unity government in which MPs from Fatah and other parties were offered ministerial posts. However, in June 2006 Israeli troops abducted dozens of Hamas ministers and parliamentarians and put them in jail, while the US and other governments joined Israel in refusing to recognise or speak to Hamas. Israel and the US encouraged Fatah to stage a coup in Gaza, but Hamas pre-empted this in June 2007 and has retained power in the Gaza Strip since then. Myth: Israel always tries to minimise civilian casualties – it is targeting only Hamas. The truth: Israel has the most technically advanced weaponry in the world, with the possible exception of the US. Its computerised drone planes (which it sells to the UK) send back extremely detailed information about every square foot of the Gaza Strip. UN officials send Israel detailed information on the places sheltering refugees. And yet many hundreds of civilians have been killed and wounded and the main power plant, ambulances, schools, mosques and hospitals have been destroyed. Myth: Any nation faced with missile or bomb attacks would respond with massive fire power. The truth: For years Britain experienced terrorist attacks by the IRA, with many more fatalities than Israel has suffered. It never resorted to bombing civilian targets and infrastructure, but succeeded through patient negotiation. Myth: Hamas uses the citizens of Gaza as ‘human shields’. The truth: Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth, 1.8 million inhabitants live in an area about 25 miles long and five miles wide. There are no caves, deserts or forests to hide in or operate from. Myth: People who criticise Israel are anti-Semitic. The truth: To be anti-Semitic is to be racist towards Jews. But many Jews, and even some Israelis, are highly critical of Israel’s policies. The policies of ethnic cleansing and seizure of land are rooted in Zionism, or the belief that Jews have exclusive rights to Palestine. To be anti-Zionist is to oppose this ideology and these policies. But Israel uses the anti-Semitism argument to intimidate people into silence. Need to know more? See www.palestinecampaig n.org for information, publications, maps, current news and events. For detailed reports from international and Israeli organisations see: www.ochaopt.org, www.christianaid.org .uk, www.savethechildren. org.uk, www.adalah.org , www.btselem.org Harry Caine
  • Score: 10

3:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Traveller Tom McD says...

enlightened one wrote:
garston tony wrote:
Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?
You are joking ??????
Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.
Its easy being cynical sitting in your armchair fidgeting with your nuts. The general outrage is the disproportionate response and casualty rates between the two. To most normal people, Palestinian lives carry as much value as an Israeli one. So rather than hide behind a keyboard, go to the meeting and give your probably unwelcome opinion. You could stretch yourself to pray for peace while in the church.
[quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?[/p][/quote]You are joking ?????? Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.[/p][/quote]Its easy being cynical sitting in your armchair fidgeting with your nuts. The general outrage is the disproportionate response and casualty rates between the two. To most normal people, Palestinian lives carry as much value as an Israeli one. So rather than hide behind a keyboard, go to the meeting and give your probably unwelcome opinion. You could stretch yourself to pray for peace while in the church. Traveller Tom McD
  • Score: 6

3:44pm Fri 15 Aug 14

P Doherty says...

Thumbs up to Harry Caine

Sadly there are too many morons who have been brainwashed by the bias Zionist media.....Sky ....BBC ...etc
Thumbs up to Harry Caine Sadly there are too many morons who have been brainwashed by the bias Zionist media.....Sky ....BBC ...etc P Doherty
  • Score: 5

4:29pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Paul Gadd says...

garston tony wrote:
Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?
We are constantly told 'there's no money' & 'we're all in it together'......but this Government of Tory toffs squander money on illegal wars as well as arming and supporting aggressor countries such as Israel while the poor of the country suffer
It doesn't take a genius to work out putting all that 'defence' money into our schools, hospitals, working people's pay packets, the poor and sick will help our country tremendously
[quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?[/p][/quote]We are constantly told 'there's no money' & 'we're all in it together'......but this Government of Tory toffs squander money on illegal wars as well as arming and supporting aggressor countries such as Israel while the poor of the country suffer It doesn't take a genius to work out putting all that 'defence' money into our schools, hospitals, working people's pay packets, the poor and sick will help our country tremendously Paul Gadd
  • Score: 2

10:50pm Fri 15 Aug 14

adam Nascotty says...

Harry CainE

OMG. Zionists will be after your head now, you know too much and dare to say it Sir!!!!!
Harry CainE OMG. Zionists will be after your head now, you know too much and dare to say it Sir!!!!! adam Nascotty
  • Score: 1

6:25pm Sun 17 Aug 14

enlightened one says...

Yep,seems I was spot on........bunch of lefty bed wetters.
Yep,seems I was spot on........bunch of lefty bed wetters. enlightened one
  • Score: -2

9:12am Mon 18 Aug 14

garston tony says...

enlightened one wrote:
garston tony wrote: Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?
You are joking ?????? Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.
Erm no, not joking. Anti cut group apparently is about the government budget cuts etc, and yet they are discussing the events in Gaza.

Dont have a problem with them discussing it just wondering what the link is between the two subjects is all.

Oh and by the way what Hamas are doing is totally wrong rocketing Israel, but so is what Israel is doing killing innocent people by the german concentration camp load (yes I dare use that comparison). The Hamas rockets have killed a handful of people, that is awful. The Israeli response has killed hundreds if not thousands by now of innocent people. Neither side are right and as usual its poor innocents who are bearing the brunt of the death and destruction
[quote][p][bold]enlightened one[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garston tony[/bold] wrote: Just wondering the link between the anti cuts union and Gaza too?[/p][/quote]You are joking ?????? Usual cabal of moronic lefty whingers denouncing the Israelis whilst completely forgetting about the hundreds of rockets fired by Hamas into civilian areas.[/p][/quote]Erm no, not joking. Anti cut group apparently is about the government budget cuts etc, and yet they are discussing the events in Gaza. Dont have a problem with them discussing it just wondering what the link is between the two subjects is all. Oh and by the way what Hamas are doing is totally wrong rocketing Israel, but so is what Israel is doing killing innocent people by the german concentration camp load (yes I dare use that comparison). The Hamas rockets have killed a handful of people, that is awful. The Israeli response has killed hundreds if not thousands by now of innocent people. Neither side are right and as usual its poor innocents who are bearing the brunt of the death and destruction garston tony
  • Score: 0

5:38pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Cuetip says...

P Doherty wrote:
Any MPs or "VIP" people going to be present?
Not much to go by in the article....
It's interesting that Harrington - a Friend of Israel - is so quiet on this humanitarian disaster especially and it is an opportunity for him to stand up and say what he really thinks after all he did vote to bomb Assad and now the coalition have switched sides.

He might even strike it lucky and get the usual photo op plus votes.
[quote][p][bold]P Doherty[/bold] wrote: Any MPs or "VIP" people going to be present? Not much to go by in the article....[/p][/quote]It's interesting that Harrington - a Friend of Israel - is so quiet on this humanitarian disaster especially and it is an opportunity for him to stand up and say what he really thinks after all he did vote to bomb Assad and now the coalition have switched sides. He might even strike it lucky and get the usual photo op plus votes. Cuetip
  • Score: 2

11:37pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Popeonarope says...

Religion at its finest.
Depressingly so.
Religion at its finest. Depressingly so. Popeonarope
  • Score: 0

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